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All right, Scott, Indiana wins 39 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:11,600 their first non-conference road game. 40 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:16,600 Since November 30th, 2011, they knock off the Xavier Marsters 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:23,900 tears, 81 to 79 in a game that was quite a sight to behold in 42 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:26,300 the arena and I can only imagine what it looked like on 43 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:29,000 television. They've already the listeners 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,900 have already heard my preliminary thoughts because I 45 00:02:30,908 --> 00:02:33,300 came back and recorded a podcast that night. 46 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:37,600 I want to hear your thoughts go. Okay, well wow, here we go. 47 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:40,700 So I was watching it with family in Dallas. 48 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:44,200 Shout out to my family, let me get the big screen TV and Fox 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,500 Sports 1 and it's like, I had that moment where like we go up 50 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,900 whatever like, you know, go up like 722 or something. 51 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:51,900 Like, all right, this is nice. I can hang with family and watch 52 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,600 the game, kind of in the background and then it becomes a 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,900 really tight game. And then, you know, I'm more 54 00:02:57,900 --> 00:02:59,900 intently watching not hanging with family. 55 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:02,700 But then in the second half, you know, we get up by like six or 56 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:04,800 seven or eight. It's like, all right, even my my 57 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,600 cousins cousins. Go. 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,600 You guys got this game? A come on and have a drink and 59 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,400 it's like yeah and then all of a sudden to come back to go, you 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,500 only helped by what they what happens if everyone stopped like 61 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:15,900 this. Like I really wish I really want 62 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:18,200 a. I shouldn't be wishing for easy 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,100 wins and it would have been nice. 64 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:26,500 Anyway, I Echo a lot of what you said in your and then you called 65 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:28,100 me actually. Sorry I was with family but I 66 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:30,400 did answer. We talked a couple minutes, it 67 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,100 looked on TV, like a great atmosphere. 68 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:35,100 Like you could just tell the fans were into it. 69 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:39,100 You could tell that Say that was a really a true Road game 70 00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:42,200 against a team that probably going to make the tournament. 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,100 I had this thought that I mean to it's like it's great that the 72 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:48,700 NCAA is around so they can take care of guys like Sean Miller 73 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:50,600 and really give them penalties a stick. 74 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:55,600 But I was wondering, you know, Archie is coached a lot of the 75 00:03:55,608 --> 00:03:59,500 players on this team. I do wonder how much of, you 76 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,800 know, if there is a call for between Archie and Sean. 77 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,700 Who's like, hey man, like I really like FIU like Archie. 78 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,300 It gave all the info out and I wonder if Sean had like a bunch 79 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:13,000 of info on IE of just, I wonder, that's a weird mix. 80 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 It's like hey we're your brother who he fired. 81 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,300 Two years ago is going to be coaching the opposition team 82 00:04:17,700 --> 00:04:20,600 this soon. In any way you talk a lot about 83 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,899 Trace Jackson Davis. He was great. 84 00:04:21,899 --> 00:04:25,900 He was efficient to me, it's like Xavier Johnson is the one 85 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:28,200 who won that game. He is so important. 86 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:32,100 You know, there's moments in that game in the second half 87 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:33,600 where it's, you know, for lack of a term. 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:34,800 It's like, it just nut crunching time. 89 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,900 Like, it is just We got to do something. 90 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:41,600 And for as great as Tracy Jackson Davis, is you have to 91 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,000 get him the ball and he can still sometimes just kind of be 92 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,400 down in the post waiting to do something and they're these 93 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,300 moments where it's like everyone's kind of looking like, 94 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:51,100 alright we really need a bucket here. 95 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:53,400 What's going to happen? And Jalen Hood? 96 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,500 Should be no, we can talk about him. 97 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:59,400 He's been very good, but he he doesn't have that mentality. 98 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,200 That Xavier Johnson has. And as you said in your post 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,600 game drive, like there are times that he goes over. 100 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:09,600 The Edge but it's it's getting better and I'm okay with that 101 00:05:09,608 --> 00:05:14,200 because more often than not, he initiates something that needs 102 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,900 to be initiated you know he has an edge to him on this team that 103 00:05:17,907 --> 00:05:21,400 I think this team really needs. It's very akin to me of like, 104 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,100 Draymond in the Warriors like you just, you need somebody on 105 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:29,800 that team who has that edge and Xavier has it and there's going 106 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,400 to be some times he might drive us batty but you know having 107 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,600 something it's really like a Man, who's like, I'm not scared, 108 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,300 I'm not nervous and I think we're going to see that a lot 109 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:43,100 this year where there's moments and big ten games and in 110 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:46,200 tournament games where you know things are slogging down, 111 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:49,000 everyone's getting tight and the one guy who's not going to be 112 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,600 tight as they've your Johnson. Who's also our hasn't missed a 113 00:05:52,608 --> 00:05:57,200 three point shot this year. He's 343 you know doing well on 114 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,400 free throws like for a guy who shot looks a little funky, he 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,100 may be one of the best Shooters on our team. 116 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:09,200 Yeah, no, I mean, it's it's a reliable shot and I think people 117 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,200 forget that. I mean it. 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,700 Xavier Johnson is probably going to end up graduating as one of 119 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:17,100 the most polarizing players in IU history. 120 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,800 And I think it's largely because frankly, I don't remember the 121 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,400 last time. Indiana had a player that was 122 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,100 quite like him. I mean, attitudinally speaking. 123 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:28,700 I guess we'll see. He is close enough but will she 124 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:30,800 was a different type of player? He didn't have the ball in his 125 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,000 hands all the time. He didn't really start until his 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:33,900 senior year. Ear. 127 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:36,800 And he wasn't this great question. 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,700 It's a I was I was thinking something similar. 129 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:41,400 Yeah, who mean more akin to late, they've got AJ. 130 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,500 Moyet was a little bit like him in terms of just the but but 131 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:48,800 again it's not a great comp because Moyet didn't have the 132 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,800 ball in his hands that often he didn't initiate things. 133 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:56,800 We never never seem to go out of control as much as Xavier can. 134 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,300 Yeah, I mean he really is it almost feels like player that 135 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:03,200 just I know this is what we're saying but it's like he's a 136 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,200 player that Just don't have a lot of in our history, right? 137 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,200 It's just he's very much a player that is on a different 138 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,100 team or I mean I know he came to the Big East like he feels like 139 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,200 a guy from a different conference which I know he is 140 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,800 and that's right. Refreshing Point like it's well 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,000 you're plugging him into Big Ten it's like this is really 142 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,100 different. Well, I think, you know, it's 143 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:27,100 clear that I think one of the first things that we saw with 144 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,300 the Woodson era was and we talked about this before. 145 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:35,100 There was a clear need to change the attitude of The players on 146 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:39,300 Indiana's basketball team it had to become more competitive, it 147 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:44,800 had to become more focused on fight and that's the thing. 148 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,100 It's like you go back and we talked about this in the last 149 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:51,800 podcast that we did together about men's basketball. 150 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,100 You look at Indiana's defensive performance under Archie Miller, 151 00:07:56,100 --> 00:08:00,100 a defensive first. Coach a guy whose entire Rozonda 152 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:02,800 trois from a coaching perspective is having a great 153 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,900 defense. And they got progressively worse 154 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:09,100 in the four years that Archie Miller was at IU in terms of 155 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:12,100 conference defense and Mike Woodson comes in and they become 156 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:14,500 number one. Now, some of that scheme, but a 157 00:08:14,508 --> 00:08:18,800 lot of its attitude and a lot of it really does flow from Xavier 158 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,100 Johnson and his like, he is intimidating. 159 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,100 Not just to opponents, but I think to some degree to his own 160 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:29,300 teammates. It's in a slightly different way 161 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,600 because it's like, wow, that dude is completely into the 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,000 game. And we need to match that 163 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,400 intensity. And that is honestly, I think 164 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:42,799 almost every good basketball team has somebody on the floor 165 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,900 that is able to do that because you just the likelihood of 166 00:08:46,908 --> 00:08:51,900 getting five people who have that attitude individually that 167 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,200 just come together and happen to have that attitude is very rare 168 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,300 and so you really do need someone as kind of the I don't 169 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:01,100 think you could have five players like that on any right? 170 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,100 Not gonna happen. But it's like that doesn't. 171 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,000 That's like Being like the early Pate you, the 04-05 Pacers like 172 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson's. 173 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,100 Like you just, you know many of those, it doesn't work different 174 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,500 re totally different reasons but no, he's, that was my main 175 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:18,400 takeaway from the game is, you know, we can talk about Trace, 176 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,300 he is awesome. I'm not minimizing it. 177 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:23,500 But to me, it's again because he has the ball in his hands, but 178 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:27,000 he Xavier to me is like the linchpin of this team and he 179 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,600 makes things go. And there's Just moment where 180 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,400 he's just like, I think intimidating is a great word 181 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,800 that you use that. He's just like I'm getting the 182 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,300 lane like I'm just like no one's doing anything. 183 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:37,800 I'm gonna get to the Lane with the ball and then we'll see what 184 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,500 happens. I call either drive it or I'll 185 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:41,000 pass it. But like, I'm just, I'm going to 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,600 make something happen and you can tell that like the IU 187 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,700 players know what's gonna happen. 188 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:47,500 But more importantly, like, you could see. 189 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:50,500 I'm curious, we were there, but, like, I could see it on TV 190 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:53,600 Xavier. The Xavier players were like I 191 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,500 can't stop this dude, the guy. It's like they almost do like 192 00:09:56,500 --> 00:10:00,100 we're this guy is going to get where he wants to go, and he's 193 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,200 going to push around to get there. 194 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:05,800 It's It's yeah, he makes things happen so much. 195 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,900 Yeah, I mean. And and look, I said this on the 196 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:13,400 podcast couple days ago, but when he came back in after being 197 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,800 subbed out in the first half, it was like a switch flipped with 198 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,200 this Indiana team in the way that they approach things. 199 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,700 And that was really from that point forward, that was where 200 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,300 they started to get back in the game and really started to Take 201 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:27,800 Over Control of the game from Xavier now. 202 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,100 All that said, I bet you know I cannot Watching. 203 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:36,900 Trace Jackson Davis up close in person in a foreign Arena going 204 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:41,500 up against a 69 guy and a 7-foot guy and just maneuvering through 205 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:44,000 them. Like, they were traffic cones. 206 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,800 Leo like he was driving a cab between skyscrapers was poetic 207 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:55,100 to watch Indiana in this game. Hit 26, two-point, shots, Trace 208 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,500 Jackson, Davis hit half of those himself. 209 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:03,300 He had 13 of the 26 total makes that Indiana had from M2 and 13 210 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:07,200 of the 30 total makes that Indiana had from the floor, you 211 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,200 know, to score 30 points and pull down six boards on the 212 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,000 road, only turn the ball over three times, only pick up one 213 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,100 Foul Play. 37 minutes was just, I tip my cap to trace Jackson 214 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:22,700 Davis, and, you know, the I've thought about this. 215 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:25,400 It's like, you know, with Trace Jackson Davis, like, where was 216 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,500 he going to get better in terms of his game? 217 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:31,100 Because he had been a pretty steady player off. 218 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,500 Sensibly in terms of efficiency, in terms of rebounding over the 219 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:37,400 course of the first three years. Now, it's very early, but I'm 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,100 noticing two things. Very, very specific about Trace 221 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:43,100 Jackson Davis, a his touch around. 222 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:48,200 The rim is Sublime now. Like, it was pretty good last 223 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,500 year, but whereas, there were a lot of close up shots and 224 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:54,500 contested shots that were bouncing off the rim and out. 225 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,000 Those are rolling in right now, like he has figured out how to 226 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,000 take like eight percent velocity off of what he puts up. 227 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,700 There. And that's just enough to keep 228 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:05,500 it in the cylinder and put it in right now, through granted three 229 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:07,300 games to against Bad competition. 230 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:10,900 His offensive rating, which is essentially a points per 231 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:15,000 possession for an individual player is 150 .5, like that is 232 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,800 one and a half points per possession, used. 233 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,900 That is nuts, Scott like that? Is that is not human and if he 234 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:24,400 can and he's not going to keep that up, I'll be. 235 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,300 That would be very, very shocked if he kept that up. 236 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:30,300 But you think about last year and you think about the, the 237 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:38,000 top, Players in the game and the number of people who had an 238 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,400 offensive rating that were that high, you know, was just very, 239 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,700 very minimal. I mean, you look over the course 240 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:47,400 of the Season Keegan Murray had the highest individual offensive 241 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,600 rating in college basketball last year, and that was 130. 1.2 242 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,800 Zack Edie was second and he was a hundred and twenty two point 243 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,300 six. Train tracks and Davis was no 244 00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:59,300 slouch last year. You know, I think he was in like 245 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:02,900 the top 60 or something. Like, That in offensive 246 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,800 visually. But if he can be that efficient 247 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,000 scoring the basketball, that's going to make a huge difference 248 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,200 for Indiana in terms of what their actual ceiling is. 249 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,300 And that would be a huge leap forward for his game. 250 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:16,300 I'm gonna go back to what you said about like the traffic 251 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:19,800 cones in the downtown. Like to me, I came away from it 252 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,500 being like he, it's an eel. Like he is just so slippery. 253 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:28,500 So so easily moves around in a tight space with and making 254 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:31,000 space for himself to move. You're right about the touch. 255 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,400 He is now perfected. The I'm going to go up and under 256 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,000 the basket and just do a reverse layup and it looks Unstoppable. 257 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,800 I mean he's also continuing to play these. 258 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,000 Guess it goes without saying, we talked about it, a good amount 259 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 last year, but I mean, this was a tough Arena. 260 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:51,300 You had a crowd with with officials that you mentioned 261 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:52,900 were calling, kind of weird things. 262 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:55,100 You had a tough front line for Xavier. 263 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,300 He had one personal foul he's playing in the post, he's doing, 264 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,300 you know, blocking shots like he's Not playing passively at 265 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:06,400 all and he gets away with women, not get away, but he comes out 266 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,500 of the game with one personal foul, it's bizarre and you know, 267 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:13,900 for as much as I've been on me, like he needs to shoot farther 268 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:17,800 out and expand his game. I will change my tune a little 269 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,800 bit and say this like he's he's now playing very much like a 270 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,300 guard in the post and what I mean is like when you think 271 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:27,100 about like he meant he was a key to your, with your Kofi cockburn 272 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:29,700 from last year, like Jew. Timmy on Gonzaga, think the 273 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,600 other post players in college basketball, The ball. 274 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,100 They play very much a back to the basket style and even early 275 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:37,800 on Trace did that you passed him and kind of, you know, go up 276 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,600 with a left hand and do a little Skyhook or trying to make a 277 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,200 play. Now, he's very much kind of he's 278 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:46,500 getting the ball. A couple couple feet out and 279 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:49,300 he's facing and then he's finding like, you know he's 280 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:52,500 finding that way around with its Up and Under or over like he is 281 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,600 attacking like a guard. He's just doing it from the post 282 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,500 and if you're doing that that's a different it's a different way 283 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:01,500 of playing the post. He's just he's not Playing it 284 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:06,000 like Zack Ed at all and it's it's so it's so great. 285 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 But I mean, it is so nice to just have that we know what, 286 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,100 he's going to provide every single night. 287 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:14,900 It's not always going to be an offensive rating of 198, but 288 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:17,400 what we just talking football about things not being 289 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,700 replicable, like everything he does is going to be replicable 290 00:15:20,700 --> 00:15:25,000 in almost every situation and his ability to get to the basket 291 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,000 and get good looks is just, it's awesome. 292 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,200 I mean, he's just amazing and and I still say when I see him 293 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,700 live, I'm not seeing him live this year. 294 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:39,500 But last year for me, the thing, when you see him live, that 295 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:44,000 honestly blows me away more is his jumping ability. 296 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,100 His second jump and his defense like the way that he plays 297 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:52,500 defense protects the rim without fouling is is unbelievable. 298 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,900 I go down. He is the best post defender in 299 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:58,600 the country. The other thing, I'll note that 300 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,000 I think it's kind of slipped under the radar just slightly. 301 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:05,800 And again it's very early in the season but offensive rebounding 302 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:09,200 has suddenly become a thing that this team is really focused on 303 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,100 doing. And again, Trace Jackson Davis 304 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:15,400 like if you look at the early returns he's made a big jump in 305 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,800 terms of his offensive rebounding numbers. 306 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,800 You know, last year his offensive rebounding. 307 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Percentage was, you know, as respectable was 8.3, it was, it 308 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,100 was a little bit higher in his first two years, but it wasn't 309 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:33,200 that big of a focus for Indiana last year this Our Indiana Trace 310 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,700 Jackson Davis with an offensive rebounding percentage of 20.7 311 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,800 which is ninth in the country so far. 312 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,700 And it was a huge part of why Indiana won that game versus 313 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,400 Xavier. And it's been something that 314 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,400 they've done in two of the three games. 315 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,800 I mean, they rebounded really well off offensively against 316 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,300 Bethune-Cookman and they think their offensive rebounding, 317 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:59,200 percentage is a team against Xavier was 36.4% overall on the 318 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,100 season their offensive Rebounding percentage is about 319 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:05,700 35% right now which is almost top 50 and that's a big leap 320 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:07,300 forward. And you know, we talked a lot 321 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:11,900 Scott about what was this team going to do to up their game? 322 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,500 Like they would need to to increase their overall approach 323 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:19,800 to things and it feels like offensive rebounding has become 324 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,400 an emphasis on both sides of the Court where they are really 325 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:27,599 focusing, their post players on looking for offensive boards and 326 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,100 then they are also really focusing on keeping their 327 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:31,600 opponents off the Offensive board. 328 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,100 So they were doing the ladder last year, but they really were 329 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:37,900 not doing much offensive rebounding, as a team last year 330 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:41,500 or the year before. And, and that has, that's a big 331 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:42,900 change. And I think that could be a huge 332 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:46,700 thing for IU. Because as most of, you know, if 333 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:49,200 you can get boards, especially if you're shooting a lot of 334 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,800 two's. Now, you're giving yourself 335 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,600 immediately and extended possession and a chance to score 336 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,400 again on that possession, which ends up increasing your 337 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,400 efficiency. And that's what Indiana really 338 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,300 needs to do, if they're going to be a team. 339 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,500 That isn't going to shoot great from outside and I think the 340 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:07,800 jury is still kind of out on that, but it does feel like this 341 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,200 is still not a team that has a lot of reliable consistent 342 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,500 outside Shooters yet. They're going to have to figure 343 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,600 out a way to extend possessions and if they can pick up 344 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,200 offensive boards now, suddenly that becomes less of an issue 345 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:22,500 because you can still get a point or two out of a position 346 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:27,300 even if you miss a shot. Yeah, and I think this again, 347 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:29,600 goes to some smart schematics by Woodson. 348 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Because you look, So far this year. 349 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,200 Indiana shot. 47, three-point shots. 350 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,700 When you look at a team like Texas, who has a higher 351 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:40,400 offensive rating, they've shot 69 three-point shots, having 352 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,200 three similar games to Cupcakes one tough game. 353 00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:47,700 You know, not only is Indiana, not shooting the three 354 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:49,200 phenomenally. Well we're also just not 355 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,500 shooting a lot of Threes And if you're not going to do that, you 356 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:56,400 have to get multiple shots at to you know, two-point shots of 357 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,400 possession. So it's it's good that they're 358 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,000 doing that that's going to have to consider. 359 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:02,900 We need to see that. Continue to keep up because that 360 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,700 that's I still think the Achilles heel this team. 361 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:09,700 You saw the Xavier game without that ability to, you know, have 362 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:12,100 two or three possessions or you could just, you know, hit a 363 00:19:12,108 --> 00:19:13,700 three. Make a stop, hit a three, make a 364 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:16,800 stop, hit a 3 or a 2 and like get a six or seven point 365 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,000 cushion. Just like that. 366 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,400 You're going to need to find another way to kind of get some 367 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,700 space between teams because that was there was moments in that 368 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,600 second half where Xavier. I feel like if Indiana had just 369 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,100 gone on a run, they could have ended the game earlier and give 370 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:31,900 themselves a smooth. Half the victory. 371 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:34,700 It just doesn't seem like the offense still has that ability. 372 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:37,100 The thing that I want to take a, take a lap off. 373 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:38,300 Sorry, go ahead. No go, no, go ahead. 374 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:40,900 Please. There's a I want to take a lap 375 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:44,700 on is I feel like I'm the the you know, mr. 376 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:48,000 Downer in the offseason as we talked about this and we start 377 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,400 doing, you know, preview pods and it's like man, you know, God 378 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,500 this team is deep and you how are we going to find minutes for 379 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:56,800 everybody and all of this, it's like rounds into shape really 380 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,900 quickly. I know it's early, but, you 381 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:00,700 know, there was basically seven players. 382 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,700 That played in the game against Xavier, You Know, Tamar Bates 383 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,500 looked, you know, 12 minutes but really no, no real connection 384 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:14,800 there, you know, Jordan Geronimo did not look, do not look ready 385 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,200 to play. He's not look, he's ready to 386 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,900 contribute at that level. In that game. 387 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,100 It's very early but it is it's funny in the preseason we're 388 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:24,200 always looking at this as like, oh my God, you got the second 389 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,900 line you're going to get a ton of minutes out of this like 390 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:30,500 Suddenly It's November 20th and we got 27 million rotation and 391 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:32,800 even That you have race Thompson. 392 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,600 Who seems like he might be struggling. 393 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,500 Your Miller cop has moments, you know it's funny you Malik renew 394 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:43,200 only played 16 minutes. There's were very very impactful 395 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,900 16 minutes and I hope those numbers. 396 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:49,500 Go up side, note about renew, I think it's obviously his 397 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:52,900 personality, but I love that. He's getting a year with Xavier 398 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,300 Johnson. So I think some of that, you 399 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:59,400 know, doggedness Alpha stuff is going to pass off on him because 400 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,900 you can just see renew as why. Wired that way as well, but it's 401 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:06,600 just, it is striking to see as we talked about, you know, in 402 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,100 the three seasons like, well, you know, dancing, Leo, going to 403 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,100 play eight minutes or nine minutes like, no, we're gonna 404 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,600 have a set of a rotation and all these guys that we thought were 405 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,500 going to make huge contributions, like they still 406 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:19,000 might but it's just like, you know, let's not, let's remember 407 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,400 that. Next year, we start doing a ton 408 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,900 of you know, Logan dunk, mm deep, Dives like let's just wait 409 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,500 and see what the rotation looks like. 410 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,800 So I will say this I mean I think race. 411 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,900 Thompson did not have a great offensive game in terms. 412 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,800 Of the shots that he took, you know, he was 0 for 4 for 3, but 413 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,600 he was 2, for 3 from the field and he pulled out. 414 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,100 Eight rebounds three of them were offensive rebounds, which 415 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,600 extended possessions have three blocks. 416 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,000 May need to stop shooting the threes. 417 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,900 Well, we may need well but it down a little. 418 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:47,800 See, here's the thing though. I don't. 419 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,000 I don't agree because I think Indiana has to have a third 420 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,800 person who's, at least a somewhat of a threat to shoot 421 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,600 from three. And I look, race Thompson, has 422 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,800 not been very good from three so far this season. 423 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,000 He's 149. But I do think he's proven 424 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,400 himself to be, at least a better three-point shooter than that, 425 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,900 and these were open shots. I think you can attribute a lot 426 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:13,100 of the mrs. There, to being in a foreign 427 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:16,000 Arena. That was very loud and 428 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,300 everything being a bit unsettled by how jacked up the atmosphere 429 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:23,400 was there. Now, I think, You know, you take 430 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,500 that game, you put it aside and you hope, okay? 431 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,400 Over these next three games can race Thompson. 432 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,000 Find Confidence from three because I think the worst thing 433 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,500 that could happen is if various Thompson just says you know 434 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:35,300 what, I can't shoot the three anymore because then that takes 435 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:38,100 something that could help spacing on the floor. 436 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,500 Out of I use bag of tricks not much like Miller cop, where 437 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,800 Miller cop did not have a great offensive game. 438 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,800 He was 1 for 4 from 3, but the 13 he hit was a critical. 439 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,700 Three late in the game. When Xavier felt confident in 440 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:53,500 leaving him. Because they didn't think he was 441 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:57,300 going to hit the shot. And so you know as tempting as 442 00:22:57,300 --> 00:22:59,500 it is and as much I think over the course of the last several 443 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:02,500 years to look at race Thompson, Missing those shots and saying 444 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:05,500 you got to stop shooting those realistically speaking. 445 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:08,800 I think you know, you look at the guys that took threes in 446 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800 this game. Jalen Hurd, chafee, no. 447 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,500 Xavier Johnson Miller copper, he's Thompson and Miller, Malik 448 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:15,400 renew. And maybe you throw in one of 449 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,700 the guards Off the Bench. Like, those guys have to keep 450 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:22,300 trying to shoot, that's probably not going to be. 451 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,400 Indiana's, bread-and-butter, and most games. 452 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,600 And it shouldn't be, because they've got perhaps the most 453 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,200 efficient scorer this year in college basketball, in the post 454 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,700 and Trace Jackson Davis, but where you give Trace Jackson 455 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:38,000 Davis space is by, at least being willing to shoot from 456 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,100 outside and eventually having those go in. 457 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,300 And so look, it's always going to be a work in progress. 458 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:44,000 I think for this team and you put it in that respect. 459 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,800 It's like there really isn't a good third and fourth, 460 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,800 three-point option. I mean, who'd should be no, it 461 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,300 has not rounded in the shape yet his three-point shooting and I 462 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:52,300 mean Hitler. That was his third. 463 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,700 Game and he had a really bad offensive game. 464 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,500 He was 0 for 8 from to. He did hit that three which was 465 00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:01,100 a shock but again, Jalen atrophy, no, it's easy to focus 466 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,700 on the bad shooting and not you don't. 467 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:06,300 And then you don't realize, you had five rebounds, he had four 468 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:11,000 assists, only one turnover, he had two Steals and you know, I 469 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,200 mean he was not the best point guard on the floor. 470 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,300 Last night. He that was certainly I think a 471 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:17,900 learning experience for him but that is the type of play he 472 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:19,400 didn't. I'll say this, I watched him a 473 00:24:19,408 --> 00:24:22,200 lot in that game. He did not look scared. 474 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,400 He did not look intimidated. He did not look daunted by 475 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,400 having this all of those shots and that's what Indiana needs. 476 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,400 Like they say that you can't have frankly and no no offense 477 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,100 to him but you know, Rob fennessy would miss a couple of 478 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:39,400 shots and immediately crawl into a shell offensively. 479 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,700 And it was just like, well, we can't we're not going to see Rob 480 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:46,200 even try a layup at this point and, you know, that that's where 481 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,300 Indiana has to get over the hump mentally and realize that this 482 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,400 and this is where I Going back to your original point about the 483 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,800 rotation, I look at it. The opposite. 484 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,500 Having nine players who can contribute doesn't mean that 485 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,800 you're going to have nine players that are going to 486 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,500 contribute every game and to be able to survive bad offensive 487 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:11,400 performances by three of your starters and still win. 488 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:16,000 A tough road game against a Big Ten Or scuse me, a Big East, 489 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800 like tournament Contender on the road. 490 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,100 That's a, that's a big deal. Like that's a flexibility. 491 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:27,900 And that's a that's a lineup thing that Indiana just hasn't 492 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,900 had the last few years where if they were getting a bad game, 493 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:32,400 offense will be from one of their starters. 494 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,000 They wouldn't have been able to win the game. 495 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,200 And so look, I I always say with these sorts of things. 496 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,600 It's November, you gotta wait for things to round into shape a 497 00:25:44,608 --> 00:25:46,600 bit. But I'm really pleased with how 498 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,500 Indiana was able to have a game where everybody was not firing 499 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:52,200 on all cylinders. And, you know, they got me. 500 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,000 Renu to come in Off the Bench and play great. 501 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:57,400 They got tree Galloway to come in and even though, we didn't 502 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,600 contribute offensively from a scoring perspective, he got them 503 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,100 four assists right off the bench and gave them really steady 504 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:08,800 minutes. I mean played 22 minutes and was 505 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,400 was kind of secretly the other reason. 506 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,100 I think why Indiana was able to pull back and eventually Take 507 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,800 the Lead because he offered something that their original 508 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600 lineup wasn't offering in terms of defense and in terms of 509 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,500 positioning that that's great, dad that Flexibility is really 510 00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:27,600 really. It's buoyant to me as a fan and 511 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,900 as someone who watches this team because I just haven't felt like 512 00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:32,200 they've had that kind of thing before. 513 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,100 And even the I take like a Jordan Geronimo who played five 514 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,600 minutes, frankly looked out of his element pretty much the 515 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600 whole time. He was out there to, you know, 516 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,000 you don't have to have Jordan Geronimo having a great game 517 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,600 because now you've got another option who can come in and 518 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,100 spell. So that's where I will choose to 519 00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,600 be optimistic on these things. And now they get three games 520 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000 essentially. Subpar competition, with Miami 521 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,800 of Ohio, and then the two games following against Little Rock 522 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,200 and Jackson State to fine tune a bit more to let guys get 523 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,700 confidence and shooting before the really heavy stuff. 524 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:08,400 Starts the week after that. When you the thing that I want 525 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,300 to agree agreed and on a positive note to the thing that 526 00:27:11,308 --> 00:27:14,000 really like about this team that's going to be fun this 527 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,400 year. Is we're coming from that era 528 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,800 with our cheese teams where the teams did always seemed like 529 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,000 they didn't know what they were doing. 530 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,800 Doing, but they seem tentative. And there was moments where it's 531 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,800 like, oh this this crowd is too much for this team and they're 532 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,100 just they're not, they don't have that Alpha mentality, and 533 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,300 this team is littered with it. Like we mentioned Xavier 534 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,200 Johnson, you mentioned like, you know hood cheffy? 535 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,500 No doesn't look scared. Malik were new, just not look 536 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,900 scared at all. Like Tres Jackson Davis doesn't 537 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,500 have that same kind of alpha that like Xavier does but he's 538 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:46,200 not scared. Like he doesn't come in and get 539 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,900 nervous like race Thompson. Like there's very few guys on 540 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,900 this team that I would say, you know, the moment doesn't freaks 541 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:53,400 them out. Tree Galway comes in, he could 542 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,800 start playing. And that that's something that 543 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,600 we haven't had in a while. A team of guys were I'm not 544 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,300 really nervous about any road game in the Big Ten, whereas 545 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,700 previous years, it's like, you know, the teams are going into 546 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:06,300 Michigan State Sakai. Well, that's that's a tough 547 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:08,100 environment that's got, you know, that's going to be really 548 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,700 tough for them to overcome that. That crowd it in a weird way. 549 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,000 It almost seems like this team thrives a little bit on. 550 00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:17,300 It's almost like the Reggie Miller Pacers like they kind of 551 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,000 thrive on being the enemy like Xavier Johnson for damn sure. 552 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,100 Like, I think he really likes taunting. 553 00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,900 The other crowd and like, finishes a layup, he's pointing 554 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,800 at them and like there's, but there's something to that, and 555 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,500 that's how you become a good team on the road in conference. 556 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,400 And it's just, it's refreshing because we haven't seen that at 557 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Indiana in quite some time. Having a team full of guys where 558 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,600 it's like, I don't see a situation. 559 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600 Any point this season, even in Kansas where they're going to be 560 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 scared, they might be overmatched and they might not 561 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 They might be the better team but I don't see them going into 562 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,500 like, fog Allen and going down, like, you know, 2:45 and like 563 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,400 having to have three timeouts to calm their nerves. 564 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,200 Like, I just don't see that. Yeah, I'm with you. 565 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,700 I mean look, I think we're going to learn a lot more about this 566 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:08,500 team in the next week and a half in terms of how players are 567 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:12,200 going to be able to establish themselves in particular roles. 568 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200 And and again I think continuing to increase confidence. 569 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:20,700 Malik renew. I really feel like could be a 570 00:29:20,708 --> 00:29:24,000 starter right now. If we needed him to be and we 571 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,700 don't and that's awesome. And and to allow a player like 572 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,300 that the ability to come in when we're needed. 573 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,700 So College ready, I know. It's not so good. 574 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,500 Both unreal, both him and hurts your fee. 575 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,300 No, just land. And I'll say this, I mean, a 576 00:29:37,308 --> 00:29:40,400 couple people were noting, you know, Jalen is your fee knows, 577 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,500 likely, not going to be a lottery pick or a first-round 578 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:47,300 draft, pick with those. Types of shooting numbers in and 579 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:51,300 look, I think it's a long season but I will say I don't it's not 580 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,100 necessarily one of those things where both of those players are 581 00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,700 only going to be here for a year because I do think they still 582 00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:01,500 have a lot of growth in their games that that needs to happen 583 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,400 as they get ready to go to the next level. 584 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,100 They're both incredibly good college players right now, but 585 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,600 just because they look so much more ready for college than 586 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,600 freshman that Indiana's had in the past, doesn't necessarily 587 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,200 mean that they're automatically leaving. 588 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600 After a season. And that change is kind of the 589 00:30:17,608 --> 00:30:20,500 whole equation about how you thinking of Indiana basketball 590 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,200 over the course of this. 34, get both of those guys that for one 591 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,700 more year next year. That's yeah, that does change. 592 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,500 And we'll look at me, think the kid for Kentucky? 593 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,500 I mean, he was a great player, he came back. 594 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,500 I mean, Timmy for Gonzaga like I mean there's there's only it is 595 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,500 in the ni El era like you know, when I look at the jail own hood 596 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:42,000 should be, no remotely, grow new. 597 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,400 It's like those are 300 or 750 thousand to a million dollars. 598 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:49,500 Players in college? Yeah, they might, you know, 599 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,900 they're probably not necessarily that if they're not a lottery 600 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,200 pick in the NBA. Now great, if you're a first 601 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,300 round pick, you're probably going. 602 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:00,800 But the point is like it's no longer a complete foregone 603 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,200 conclusion with basketball that you're going to lose those types 604 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,500 of players and, you know, so that's we'll talk more about 605 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,000 that as we go along, but I do think that, you know, the the 606 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,300 jail and Hood Chaffee know, immediately to the lottery talk 607 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,800 can probably cool it for just a little bit and that's For 608 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,100 Indiana and we know we'll have to see how that works out, 609 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:21,200 obviously, but it's something to think about, you know, as 610 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,600 Indiana fans we haven't had enough lottery picks but it's 611 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,100 like there's only 14 of them. Yeah. 612 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,700 It's like and when Beyond has one and you scoot is second like 613 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,700 there's already three or four spots are already taken. 614 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,400 So it's really only like seven or eight Lottery spots that 615 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,800 people are even playing for this year anyway and there's a lot of 616 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,000 good players around the country so I'm with you anyway on that 617 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,700 note. Let's what are you expecting 618 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:43,900 real quick? I don't have like two minutes. 619 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,300 What are you expecting? We win that pods between now and 620 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,000 North Carolina besides wins. What are you expecting to see 621 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,400 between here through North Carolina? 622 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:55,000 Look, I really think that what I'm expecting to see is a 623 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,700 continued refinement of this rotation system that Woodson has 624 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,000 put in. There was interesting that he 625 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,500 had Jalen Hurd Jaffe, no leading that second unit for a while. 626 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600 And he did that on purpose because hedig Esau who was going 627 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,300 to be. The more important player down 628 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,900 the stretch in that game and he wanted to give Xavier Johnson 629 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:12,200 little bit. Extra rest. 630 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,800 So, you know, I would love to see, Indiana continue to shoot 631 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,200 threes and I would love to see Indiana, create an environment 632 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,000 where they're not afraid to do that and they're going to have 633 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,500 the weak enough competition here where I think they can get away 634 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,900 with that and and try to get some guy some confidence. 635 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,000 So I should, I want to see race Thompson, take at least three 636 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000 threes each game for the next three games. 637 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,000 I want to see the offense continue to try to pull the 638 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,500 defense out from underneath the basket because they're going to 639 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,900 obviously need to That against North Carolina. 640 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:47,000 And ultimately, I just, you know, more than anything else. 641 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,700 I want people to not get injured and, you know, that's the one 642 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:52,700 thing that I'm worried about with this team is like, let's 643 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,600 let's keep everybody healthy through the holidays because 644 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,100 that's a gauntlet of games that they start with, on the 30th of 645 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,200 November and run all the way through basically through that 646 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,900 Kansas game. I mean, you know, you're talking 647 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,900 about North Carolina at home, Rutgers on the road, Nebraska at 648 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:10,800 home, Arizona in Vegas, Kansas on the road. 649 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,800 You know, all that happens basically within 18 days who and 650 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,000 a half weeks. Yeah, so it's it's it is 651 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,500 absolutely health is going to be like The prime thing and keeping 652 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,900 people's conditioning while not wearing them out too much. 653 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,500 You're fortunate, because you've got a pretty compact schedule 654 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:33,300 here. Three games in what six days and 655 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:39,300 then four games in eight days. But then you've got Saturday 656 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,200 Sunday, Monday, Tuesday off before you play that Wednesday 657 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,800 night game against North Carolina. 658 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,300 So, you know, I expect them to win all three of these games, 659 00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,100 comfortably probably about 20, to 25 Point margins, in each of 660 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,100 them, And then it's just a matter of get guy's confidence 661 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,500 continue to work on defense. Continue to work on all 662 00:33:55,508 --> 00:34:00,200 offensive rebounding and I think if you do that you're in pretty 663 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600 good shape. Yep, that's all I got. 664 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,100 You got anything? Yep, that's no no I I think you 665 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,800 hit the nail. It's about being healthy but get 666 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,500 healthy through that and I'm, you know, the next couple games 667 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,100 just be healthy, work those things out. 668 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,300 I think getting a little more playing time for renew Hood. 669 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:20,400 Should be know some of the younger guys. 670 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,300 Like, I think getting guys like Tamar Bates, I get some of those 671 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:24,500 guys. A little more time, a little 672 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:28,199 more positive reps in those games would be good and then I 673 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,300 will know, I think we're, I think we're playing with house 674 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,500 money in that North Carolina. And I think, Gonna be a we 675 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,100 cleared the bar, we won the Xavier game. 676 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,699 I think it's going to be an awesome area. 677 00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:40,600 You're going to have, you know, it's going to be a 20 to top 10 678 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,100 teams or at least you know, to top 12 teams. 679 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,300 It's going to be a insane atmosphere. 680 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,500 It's a late game that place is going to be rocking. 681 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,800 I can see us winning that game based on the Assembly Hall 682 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,000 crowd, but you know, I think the key is, well, that's a fun thing 683 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,200 to look at and a game to play. I do. 684 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,100 Look it. So, the key is those two big ten 685 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,500 games, right afterwards? Like it'd be really good to 686 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:09,500 start the season 2 and 0 like it's to me it's worse. 687 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,200 If we beat North Carolina would be in Arizona. 688 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,400 But we go go 1 and 1 or 0 and 2. And those big ten games like 689 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,700 that's that's more concerning. Like the Big Ten is what we need 690 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,800 to win. While the other games are kind 691 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,200 of nice, that's more window dressing. 692 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,200 I will say the one player. There's two, there's two other 693 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,100 players. I really want to see. 694 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:31,500 Get some major minutes and and continue to develop Trey 695 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:36,000 Galloway for shooting and and entry Galloway has yet to commit 696 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,400 a turnover through three games. And that's a really important 697 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,800 point and he's played 15, 19 and 22 minutes in those three games, 698 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:48,200 you know, for him, if he can be a guy who doesn't turn the ball 699 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,000 over who's able to distribute effectively who can occasionally 700 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,600 score, I would love to see him. Continue to develop his ability 701 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,700 to score and shoot and get some confidence there because if he 702 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000 He adds that to his game. Now you've got a whole new 703 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,400 dimension for this. I you team and the other guys 704 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,300 tomorrow Bates because you know Tamar Bates, I look like he had 705 00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,500 made some progress in those first two games and then he 706 00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:13,400 didn't take a shot and frankly his defense was pretty shoddy in 707 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,200 that Xavier game. He had one very clear, missed 708 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,800 assignment. That led directly to a 3, he's 709 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,000 such an important potential player for this IU team because 710 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,100 I miss has a is a five-star recruit. 711 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:28,300 He's got the body, he's so long. He could be two to four. 712 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,700 Yeah he well maybe not too maybe one two three. 713 00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:33,900 But yeah he's like he's got he's got so many dimensions that 714 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:39,200 Indiana needs but he's still not quite there mentally in terms of 715 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:43,900 playing the game and man getting him some minutes in these next 716 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,000 three games and getting him to the point where he can just 717 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,100 slide right in and contribute something and and be consistent 718 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,800 on both ends of the floor. Like, I love to see that develop 719 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,500 because I think they're going to need him and his contributions 720 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:00,600 in that stretch of games between the end of November in the 721 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,600 middle of December. Yep. 722 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,400 So anyway, we'll see what happens. 723 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,100 We'll be back. Probably later on in the week. 724 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,600 We'll talk some more basketball will also, certainly be talking 725 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,900 IU football. As they just established Indiana 726 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,600 as a 17 and a half Point Underdog to Purdue in the old 727 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,900 Oaken Bucket game. That's it. 728 00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,500 That's a tasty line. Might want to jump on that one 729 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,300 but anyway, we'll talk about that later in the week Rhett. 730 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,100 Weird. Regret seven days. 731 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:32,600 Anyway for Scott, I've gala, this is Crimson cast. 732 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,200 Thanks to all you folks for listening. 733 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200 Thanks for home field, apparel, our presenting sponsor. 734 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,900 Thanks to our friends at the back home network. 735 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:41,900 Be sure to check out assembly call as they will have postgame 736 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,500 podcast. Check it out catchy, folks on 737 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:45,900 the flip side, bring back the Bison. 738 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:46,500 So on everybody.