1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,400 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:22,560 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cask and 3 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,360 Claudio joining you. It is Sunday the 19th of May and 4 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,760 for the first time in I think over a month, we've got both 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,600 founding members of Crimson Cast on the podcast at the same time. 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,840 Scott Caulfield joining me here in the late morning. 7 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,280 How are you doing, Sir? It's it's been a hot minute. 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 I it's been a while and then I made you wait another hour then 9 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,320 I'm. I'm running late this morning so 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,840 it's on me. But no, it's it's been a while. 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Good. Good. 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,920 Talk to you again, man. Yeah, absolutely. 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,480 No, it's fine. It's, I had some grading to do 14 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:54,320 and I had to walk a dog this morning. 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,440 So it's it's fine. You know, we, I, I I've learned 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,640 to do things in the mornings when Scott's unavailable for 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,920 podcasting. It's great, but. 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,440 I'm normally up early. Today was a little bit rough, 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,000 but it's good. Hear it from my wife. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:07,880 Hear it from you. It's awesome. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 No. No, no, I I I praise you as, you 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,400 know, as as a person who can't sleep anymore and really could 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,560 barely sleep even when I was a bit younger. 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,280 I always am envious of people who can shut out the outside 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,120 world for a little bit and get some extra shut eye. 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,520 So congratulations, that's. Helped a lot, yeah. 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,200 Yeah, absolutely. It always does. 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,720 But anyway, we're going to talk some IU stuff. 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,920 We've got obviously both football and basketball to talk 30 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,320 about, so we'll touch on some topics there. 31 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:38,720 We've also got the Indy 500, which many of you are interested 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,520 in. So latter half of the podcast 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,560 will tackle that. And before we get to all that, 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,360 just a reminder, we're part of the back home network. 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,360 If you missed any of the content on the back home network, you 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,080 should go check it out immediately, including your 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,800 other podcast. Scott Right up Meridian, which 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,040 is big day today for the Pacers. For those who are listening on 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,960 like when we drop this which will I think about noon on 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,760 Sunday Pacers play at 3:30 and you've been having a bunch of 41 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,400 different people on Tony Adrania from the back home network's 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,920 been on but Dustin Doe Pirac's been on several other people. 43 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,640 Really great resource for Pacers related talk so go check that 44 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:18,400 out. Subscribe. 45 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,080 You can go to the YouTube channel for the back home 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,480 network and and see the episodes as well as hear them. 47 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:26,360 Also of course, the Exes and Joes show they've been doing a 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,120 lot of offseason breakdowns of various items related to college 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,040 basketball and IU in particular. And of course our friends over 50 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,880 at Assembly Call and doing the work. 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,880 All of that available and presented by home field apparel. 52 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,840 Your place to go for the finest in college fashions, the softest 53 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,600 fabrics, the coolest designs. And we talked about Indy 500 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,720 stuff, a lot of racing related apparel coming out of the fine 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,360 folks at home field. Go ahead, Scott. 56 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,640 Well, I was going to say I needed home field apparel last 57 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,960 night. So you you, you, you enjoy kind 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,040 of, you know ribbing me on what we're doing up here in 59 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,480 Westfield. So we we, we gave a donation to 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,920 the Westfield Library Group and so they had a they're building a 61 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:12,640 new library And so last night was AVIP donors event to kind of 62 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:15,760 see the new library which was awesome at a great time. 63 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,160 But the dress attire was yeah. So it's a it's an event. 64 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,680 So I'm thinking, all right it's got to be dressy. 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,440 But the the dress attire was they're doing a race theme kind 66 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,520 of thing. And it's like black and white 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,040 racing fun. And like I don't know, like I 68 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,960 need, I need home field apparel. Like I need a black and white 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:32,840 shirt. Like I was like, I need 70 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,880 something because I don't, I didn't know how to do this. 71 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,200 Like I could do because racing is like if you've been to the 72 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 500, you could be wearing like a Star Spangled Banner thong and 73 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,320 like there's a lot racing covers, a lot of stuff. 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,280 Wait, have you done that? Before I have not, but I have 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,920 seen it and I know that you have as well if you've been to the 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 the 500, but so anyway I was like I just. 77 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,160 I'm not, be honest. When I go to the 500 with most 78 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,640 of the people there, I'm just happy they're wearing anything. 79 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,120 Yes, yes. Anyway go on I just I I was it 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,000 was so the event was awesome. I had a great time, won a 81 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,160 charity auction for the first time, but really, yes I did. 82 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Did you get I I well, hopefully I won a couple rounds of golf 83 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,360 that I bid on. But the other one that I know 84 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,640 that we won because we left fours done we had a friend text 85 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,480 us was one of those. It's like a police thing where 86 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,519 you get like a police blanket, a Lego set, but then the kids get 87 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,400 to drive to school in like a police Hummer van. 88 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,440 Interesting. Like a SWAT thing. 89 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,600 So that'll that'll be fun. Anyway, the point was you're 90 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,840 getting me off track. Jeez. 91 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,920 The point was that I needed home field apparel to help me dress 92 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:36,880 'cause I didn't know what to wear. 93 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,120 I ended up going with like, I have an IndyCar work shirt and 94 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,680 it it worked out pretty well and people liked it. 95 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,800 But it's like, you know, for your next event, if you're 96 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,240 struggling with what to wear, go with home Field Apparel. 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,240 Should have had your trucker hat. 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,600 Great. Great. 99 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,400 Great idea all the way around. Yes, the Trucker Hat Indy 500 100 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,600 apparel out the wazoo. They just released that 101 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,000 collection. 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So go over and subscribe to the 140 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,640 Back Home Network YouTube channel that's been hopping here 141 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:58,320 lately. So anyway Scott, let's dive into 142 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,240 our first topic of the day. Let's start with IU basketball 143 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,920 on the men's side. We haven't talked since the 144 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,160 roster filled out but the roster has filled out. 145 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,040 We you know Miles Rice, Kane and Carlisle. 146 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,840 Luke Goody. You know you've you've had this 147 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,880 Landon Hatton obviously recently. 148 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,640 So you've had the stocking of the roster. 149 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,160 We talked a lot at the beginning of the cycle about some concerns 150 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,160 that we had which were reasonable given last year about 151 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,000 whether or not this was going to be possible. 152 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,040 It is possible and IU has certainly done as well I think 153 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,400 as anybody in the country at leveraging the portal to get the 154 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,960 players that on paper at least it looks like they need in order 155 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,760 to have a much higher level of success for this upcoming year. 156 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,080 So you had an interesting thought which kind of dovetails 157 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,120 with this because we've talked a little bit in pieces and and our 158 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,920 friends at Assembly Call have talked about this as well about 159 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,600 what Indiana has done this offseason. 160 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,720 And I said on my last podcast, I think it was the last one, that 161 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,200 what we're seeing is a coaching staff that has kind of checked 162 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,280 all the boxes that you would want them to check in the 163 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,640 offseason. And yet what's interesting is 164 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,480 there's this clear split in the the the at least the online 165 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,560 population of IU basketball, maybe in the offline population 166 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,120 too. I'm not 100% sure about the 167 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,720 disposition of the coaching staff and Mike Woodson in 168 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,200 particular. So you posed a question on text 169 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,120 which I'll let you read and then kind of dive into that I think 170 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,880 is is an interesting one to talk about right now since we've, you 171 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,159 know we've got a pretty good sense now of what the roster is 172 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:38,600 going to look like. Yeah. 173 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,520 I mean I was thinking this last couple of you know weeks as as 174 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,960 you said IU and coach Wood Woodson has done a fantastic job 175 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,960 in the in the offseason and and so on one hand my thought was 176 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,640 all right well you know let me let me phrase this correctly as 177 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,440 I I think that you know most times you go into a season where 178 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,680 the the coach is kind of either one of two things either on the 179 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:05,000 hot seat or is very you know safe in their job. 180 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,360 And the way this offseason went, I think Woodson is actually, you 181 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,000 could make a very valid argument for either one. 182 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,400 And I thought it'd be an interesting way to discuss 183 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,360 because I was like almost like just give you the other side. 184 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,480 It's like a debate like just you take one, I'll take the other 185 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,440 because I I can really, you know, I'll I'll stop and then we 186 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,120 can if we want to take it one and the other. 187 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,520 But I I think you can make a very valid argument that Woodson 188 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,760 is really on the hot seat coming to this year or he's totally 189 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,320 safe with what he's done and based on some other external 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,800 factors. And I just thought it was 191 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,040 interesting because it doesn't seem like a lot of people are in 192 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,080 that spot. You kind of have this divergent 193 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,200 of things are going great or things are not going great. 194 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,120 You kind of have a, you can make an argument for honestly both 195 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,440 sides of of that. Yeah, it's. 196 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,200 There, there's really there's two different streams of thought 197 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,400 I think here that you can really zero in on and it's kind of like 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,840 a Rorschach Rorschach test in terms of what you want to 199 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,560 perceive is where IU basketball is AT and therefore where Mike 200 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:11,880 Woodson is at as the head coach. So you can look at it from the 201 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,120 perspective of your here's a coach that made two tournaments 202 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,160 in the first three years, and there were injuries and other 203 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,440 items that led to this past year not being very good. 204 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,440 And yet they finished strong. They go out and get arguably the 205 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,040 best transfer class in the entire portal and they look 206 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,000 reloaded and ready to reassume the mantle and reassume the 207 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,400 trajectory that they had before last year's kind of off approach 208 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,960 to things. And a lot of the, the the 209 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,960 criticism of Woodson and the criticism of the team last year 210 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,240 was way over the top because, you know, between the injuries 211 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,920 and between maybe some pieces that through no real coat far to 212 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,240 the coaches didn't fit well together. 213 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,680 It was an off year. But you've seen many teams and 214 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,080 many programs have off years where they'll miss the 215 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,840 tournament entirely and including teams like Villanova 216 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,000 and North Carolina. And you know, teams like that. 217 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,640 And now you come into this season with IU already projected 218 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,720 in the top 25. I've seen a couple of 219 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,680 projections with them, even like close to the top 15, like the 220 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,680 the future looks rosy for IU basketball and you not only got 221 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,400 good players in the portal, but a few of them are guys who could 222 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,320 be here for more than just one season. 223 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,920 They're guys that could come in and really lay a foundation for 224 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,040 the next round of things. And so thinking that Woodson 225 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,600 would be in any kind of danger would be silly. 226 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,920 That essentially, I think, is the argument to be made on that 227 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,760 side of things. I I would, yes, and I would 228 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,920 agree with all of that. I also think that you almost had 229 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,800 kind of a, you know, war games style feel of how things would 230 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,160 go and that things got real. So what I mean by that is things 231 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,800 got really rough at the end of last season. 232 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,480 So yeah, And Ali Sheedy showed up. 233 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:57,840 And no, I'm sorry, go. Ahead. 234 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,040 Yeah, as soon as that. A computer redoing the IU 235 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,960 Northwestern game over and over and over again. 236 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,800 The computer's like this. The game is new. 237 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Should not be played. Should not be played. 238 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,360 Mike Watson. That's actually that's actually 239 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,000 how the Big 10 tournament works every year. 240 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,040 The only solution, the the only, the only solution is not to 241 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,640 play. Yes, it's it's. 242 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,640 It's so much about you, the big. 10 tournaments It's like I run 243 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,600 all the scenarios we had a year with COVID and. 244 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,400 Let's try the new option. Maybe this will work. 245 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,520 Yeah, I mean, if COVID didn't get us a title, not gonna 246 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,320 happen, right? We laugh because we care and we 247 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,440 can't and we can't win the tournament. 248 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,280 It chases. It chases the herd away. 249 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,680 That's all it does. So, so yes. 250 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,560 And you know last year, oh, the the war shack. 251 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,320 So you had the the test where you had a obviously a very bad 252 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,640 end of the year. You had, you know IU getting 253 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,320 booed. You had suddenly this this feel 254 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,920 for all right we might need to change coaches And not only did 255 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,080 it not happen, you had the administration and the people 256 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,000 who matter kind of come out quietly and say or you know, 257 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,840 quietly, unquietly be like no, he is our coach. 258 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,800 He will be our coach. So he has a vote of confidence 259 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,920 after an off year and then he reloads this offseason. 260 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,320 But this is an offseason as you you know as we all know it's not 261 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,080 like this is just all good vibes and recruiting. 262 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,520 This is based on money. I mean a lot of these are nil 263 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,120 deals that cost some money and you know, so he has the the 264 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,840 support of enough high level donors to get money to get 265 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,000 problem. You know, I'll just say the best 266 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,040 recruiting or the best transfer class and some of the best 267 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,760 recruits and one of the best offseasons that wasn't paid for 268 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,520 by, you know, varsity club donations that was paid for by 269 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,240 private donors who want to give money. 270 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,720 And those people need to feel like that this is a a wise 271 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,240 investment and that everything is right. 272 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,920 And obviously all those things happened because there was a ton 273 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,840 of money thrown around this offseason. 274 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,720 And so I just, I look at that as the other piece of the argument 275 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:03,040 that you know at a university level some of the most important 276 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,200 people are the trustees, the high level people in the the 277 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,080 athletic administration and the high level donors. 278 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,920 And to a man, all three of those gave their vote of confidence to 279 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Woodson's. That's where I was thinking this 280 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,680 offseason. You know, this he he he has all 281 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:19,360 of the confidence of all of those people. 282 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,800 So he's probably very safe in his job based on everything else 283 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,800 that you also said as well. So I guess I'll give the other 284 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,240 side of the equation I mean. I can then I can start with the 285 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,600 other side and then go from there. 286 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,560 And it is kind of a funny, you know, flip. 287 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,040 I'll use some of the same arguments against Woodson. 288 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,000 This is where I was thinking is that, you know, you now had a 289 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,360 lot of people who wrote really big checks. 290 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,360 And if this team is not able to finish at a, you know, top 20 291 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,360 type level, I would assume that a lot of those people are like, 292 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,840 all right, well, this is really bad ROI in my investment. 293 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,720 Like I just paid a lot of money to see a basketball team 294 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,920 underperform again two years in a row. 295 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,840 That's not going to be awesome. Everything that I mentioned 296 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,360 within the fan base, not that the, you know, not that you know 297 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,440 podcast and fan base totally matter, but they do it. 298 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,440 If you're getting booed again in assembly hall at home, that's 299 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,120 going to have some repercussions. 300 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,520 And then just the fact that you know this is, you know what one 301 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,880 thing that I'm personally being a little tentative about just 302 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,640 kind of waiting to temper my expert expectations is I 303 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,800 continue to go back that we were not bad in last year's offseason 304 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,200 both Portal and re resigning players. 305 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,840 We it seems to be this For those who are very positive, it seems 306 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,400 to be this feel of like, man, we killed her this we have so many 307 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,720 good players. How can we not be good? 308 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,000 It's like well, we did pretty good last year. 309 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Like yes, it doesn't look as good now in retrospect because 310 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,840 we saw Peyton. We saw Peyton Sparks play when 311 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,920 we first signed him. I remember listening to other 312 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,520 shows being like, you know how well at least he's going to get 313 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,840 at least 10 to 15 minutes a game. 314 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,720 He's really going to provide that. 315 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,600 As an Indian, it's like all the things look like the most 316 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,240 positive aspects of where they could be. 317 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,440 Now that we see them, it's like, Oh yeah, those are not great, 318 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,800 maybe the best portal sightings. Well, we're in that same spot 319 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,280 here. Not everyone's going to pan out. 320 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,600 But I would also say that, you know, if if Woodson is, if this 321 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,680 team is not able to meet some level of those expectations, you 322 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,720 are going to wonder. It's like, all right, you know, 323 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,560 what kind of team is going to be successful under this regime? 324 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Because the only example at that point, assuming we have a bad 325 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,320 year this year, would be a team of Archie Miller's players. 326 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Honestly, I mean, you would have back-to-back years of really 327 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,520 killing it in the offseason and not a lot to show for it. 328 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,400 So I think that would be the flip side in my mind on that 329 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,360 piece. I think there's actually even 330 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,800 more layers, you know, because that you you're very right that 331 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,360 a lot of, you know the a lot of what we're seeing, if there's a 332 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,200 vision that's being sold and that is what brings players in. 333 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,080 Like we've talked a lot about how it's not just nil money that 334 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,480 brings players in, it's also how do I fit, does this seem have a 335 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,760 chance of success? But that doesn't mean the nil 336 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,960 money isn't important. And I think ultimately, you 337 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,440 know, the checks that have been cut so far to build this roster, 338 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:16,240 there is going to be that kind of donor class expectation. 339 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,480 Like, all right, well, we're, we're trying to make this 340 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,359 happen. You cannot afford a season that 341 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,000 looks like last year. And really I don't even know if 342 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,119 you could afford a season that looks like the first year. 343 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,880 You know, 'cause keep in mind like Indiana was was borderline 344 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,640 for a good part of that season. They had to win their way into 345 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,720 the NCAA tournament in the Big 10 tournament, which we know how 346 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,760 reliable that is as as an approach. 347 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,240 So I do think you're looking at a circumstance where there's 348 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,720 going to be an expectation all by itself that there needs to be 349 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,840 a higher level of sustained success. 350 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,160 You cannot afford to go out and look like crap against all of 351 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,720 your good non conference opponents. 352 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,080 You can't go like finish 8th in Atlantis or something like that. 353 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,520 But I also think that the, you know, the the other layer to 354 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:06,000 this is most of the complaints about Woodson and the program 355 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,920 have not been coming at least publicly from donors or from 356 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,280 even from media. They've been coming from the 357 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,200 rank and file fans. They've been coming. 358 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,600 I mean there were I was at a couple of those games where 359 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,240 there were booze in Assembly hall. 360 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,120 Like that was just frustration coming from people who are not 361 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,920 giving money to nil in any great numbers. 362 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,880 That was fans who have had this reservoir of frustration 363 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,320 continue to get water behind it and and those levels keep 364 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,000 building higher and higher because of the lack of any kind 365 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,120 of sustained success. And so that's what's going to 366 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,440 make this upcoming year very interesting in that I think 367 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,680 there's AI talked about this a little bit on the last show. 368 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,880 There's a real amount of skepticism and I think a loss of 369 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,800 trust on the part of many people towards Woodson. 370 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,080 And the, you know we've had people in our comments talking 371 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,920 about how people can't let go of last year that's that is true. 372 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,760 And I mean it last year is last year. 373 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,000 I'm not expect you wouldn't expect people to let go of 374 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,160 something when they have had nothing to replace it in the 375 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,760 matrix yet. But it's not just last year. 376 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,080 To me that's a knock on effect from the entire Archie Miller 377 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,880 era. The, you know the the aspects of 378 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,760 the first two years of Woodson that were less than ideal in 379 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,920 terms of of varying outcomes because there were those. 380 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,120 I mean, as much as that 2023 season was special in a lot of 381 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:28,080 ways, there were also a lot of moments where we were looking 382 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,880 around saying what on earth is going on, why, why isn't this 383 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,960 team more consistent or better? So I say all of that with the 384 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,200 idea that some of this is not just Woodson, it's a general 385 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,000 frustration with the program. And so that leads to this idea 386 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,200 of, I think Woodson's disposition is really based upon 387 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,000 what are people's expectations, what what are the expectations 388 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,640 of this team as it comes into this new year. 389 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,400 And I've yet to really see those elucidated. 390 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,280 You know, when it when a team is ranked somewhere between 15th 391 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,040 and 25th, realistically you're talking about a team that's 392 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,800 going to be a four or five seed in the NCAA tournament in 393 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,160 contention for a Big Ten title, but maybe not a team that 394 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,000 ultimately wins a Big Ten title a season. 395 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,600 Frankly, Scott, that looks a lot like the 20/22/23 season does. 396 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,960 Is that enough? Is that enough knowing that you 397 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,960 know you're you're only going to have Omar Balo for a year. 398 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,440 You're only going to have. I think I think Luke Goody is I 399 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,480 think he's one year you know you're going to not going to 400 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,120 have Trey Galloway anymore you might not have Malik Renew. 401 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,880 Like the the page will certainly look like it turns quite a bit 402 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,320 next year regardless of what happens in this upcoming season. 403 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,120 So that's where I I to some degree. 404 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,360 I think a lot of the overarching questions about Woodson's job 405 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,120 and disposition were quelled by what's happened over the last 406 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,880 six weeks. That could all come back very 407 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,120 quickly though if Indiana doesn't hit the ground running 408 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,400 in this upcoming season. And that trying to remove our 409 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,760 opinions out of the equation and just focus on how fans are going 410 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,320 to react. That's really what this entire 411 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720 exercise is about. It's a really interesting 412 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,120 thought exercise because I really don't know how people are 413 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:17,640 going to react if Indiana is anything other than, you know, 414 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,720 playing at a top 20 level to start off the season. 415 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,280 One something we mentioned last year that's also there is that 416 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,360 you know we're when we start the season we're going to be like 18 417 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:33,680 months removed from our last really signature key win against 418 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,640 a top blue blood program that's also doing well. 419 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,400 I know it's a lot of caveat there cuz then we we leave 420 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,080 Michigan State at the end of the year last year but Michigan 421 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,680 State was not where you would consider them to normally be. 422 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,200 And so I I agree with you, I'm very curious to see how people 423 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,040 react if you know if we go through the the we'll probably 424 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,920 win a game or two in Atlantis I would assume. 425 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,520 But if if we go through the non conference similarly to what we 426 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,520 did last year and just kind of not get any of the scalps that 427 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,640 we're expecting, how are people going to react to that? 428 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,560 You know that you're mentioning the expectations for the season. 429 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,640 I think what's also interesting is as where we're at is you know 430 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,960 if we have a season similar to 23 where we're good, we get a 431 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,000 protected seed, but we don't get to the second weekend, I I do 432 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,480 wonder what that's going to be like too. 433 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,880 And you mentioned some of those donors. 434 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,640 I I think a lot of these high level of not one not one of the 435 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,720 high, high level donors but I I think that you know they they 436 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,320 kind of check in periodically. I don't I don't think they're 437 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,200 watching games like like you and I are and really dissect and 438 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,200 it's kind of a little bit more checking in. 439 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,520 How's IU doing. But I I think if you know we 440 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,160 have a really good if we have a season like 20-3 and then we get 441 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,360 a protected seed but we're not in the second weekend. 442 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,480 I do wonder if some of those are going to look up and like hey, 443 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,200 where where are we? Like I was expecting to be here 444 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,680 and I think this is what also you know, the residual build up, 445 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,440 you can look at every specific year and you know under 446 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,120 Woodson's tenure in 2223 and 24, it's like all right, none of 447 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,920 those years were really a second weekend type year in the micro. 448 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,880 But in the macro it's like, all right, we're in year four and at 449 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,400 some point you need to breakthrough the second weekend 450 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,920 of the the tournament And it is a bit of a crapshoot and it 451 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,000 does, you know, sometimes it involves luck and you can have a 452 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,280 really good season and just meet the wrong team, but you can't 453 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,160 keep doing that. At some point you then have to 454 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,920 have a not so good season where you meet the right team and you 455 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,840 breakthrough into the second weekend. 456 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,040 You know, it's wild how we used to talk about Final Fours and 457 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,680 titles and now it's like, can we just get a second weekend? 458 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,800 But that's what I love. But I I do wonder how you know 459 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,400 how this season is viewed if we don't have that that year end 460 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,960 success. And I think that's something 461 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,760 that is going to be interesting because I think some fans are 462 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,800 going to reserve judgment until we get to May. 463 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,760 And it's got you know, Woodson's kind of, you know, future and 464 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,600 his legacy is going to be determined by a couple of games. 465 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,440 And it's unfortunate, but it's but it's not because this is the 466 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,080 career these guys are into. It's like I knew Bruce Pearl, 467 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760 you know, took some heat after, you know, he had like they had a 468 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,120 great season. Auburn had an awesome season in 469 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,000 whole. They lost one game in March and 470 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,480 fans are not happy. What happens if we have a season 471 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,360 like that, like that? I think that's a real concern is 472 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,200 if you have an Auburn type season and then it's like all 473 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,480 right now what what do we do with that at the end of this? 474 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,920 Coming year? Well, yeah. 475 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,200 So a couple of things. First of all, donors at the 476 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,760 level you're talking about generally have a different 477 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,240 motivation structure than the average fan. 478 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,480 And I think a lot of the support from donors and from people in 479 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,720 the higher ups of of IUI mean a lot of it is because Woodson is 480 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,680 a native son. He's a, you know, he's a an alum 481 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,600 of the program. You know, I think there's a 482 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,920 real, I think there's patience with Woodson where there might 483 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,160 not be with other coaches in similar situations. 484 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,440 And I think for IU it's interesting because ultimately 485 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,920 the the question has to be asked like where it it's not 486 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,080 impossible to have high levels of success. 487 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,360 And the question is at what point do you say the foundation 488 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,000 needs to have been laid where there's consistency. 489 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,240 That was really ultimately the problem with the Archie Miller 490 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,480 era. It was really the problem with 491 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,160 the Tom Crean era and it was the problem at the end of the Bob 492 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Knight era where it's like you just aren't being consistent 493 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:29,000 enough. 1920 wins, 21 wins, whatever is, is fine in in one 494 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,960 season, not consecutively, not consistently. 495 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,600 And this is where you know, I just, I've always rejected this 496 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,240 idea that well, you just can't do that in Indiana anymore. 497 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,040 And you just mentioned like well, Bruce Pearl is doing it at 498 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Auburn where you probably shouldn't be able to do it at 499 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,920 all. It really does come down to is 500 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080 the alchemy there where a coach can do what they need to do in 501 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,560 terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching, in terms of setting 502 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,760 things up and ultimately the results say everything about 503 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,960 that. I mean, I I believe as we look 504 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,440 at Woodson's tenure and we think about it from the standpoint of 505 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720 where is he within the confines of the fans. 506 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:12,280 What I'm really fascinated by is the sea change in approach that 507 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,920 seems to have occurred since the end of February with now you've 508 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,840 got your multiple visits out to to high school recruits. 509 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,120 You've got all of these other things that people were, were 510 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,360 being critical about and it's suddenly they're happening and I 511 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,400 don't think that's accidental. Like I don't. 512 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,280 I don't think that that's just one of those things where it's 513 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,040 like what we were planning on doing that anyway, there's there 514 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,920 has appeared to be a real delineation from the before that 515 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,440 period and then after that period in how the coaching staff 516 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,200 and Woodson are approaching these things. 517 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,680 And I do think that that stuff matters. 518 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,760 And you know, you the lot of the criticisms and complaints about 519 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,680 Woodson have been kind of twofold. 520 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,640 One of them has been the refrain we've heard quite a bit from, 521 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,960 you know, people that follow recruiting or journalists who 522 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,040 follow college basketball, that Woodson is not as active as as 523 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,400 fellow coaches, at least in the high school recruiting scene. 524 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000 Clearly does very well in the portal clearly does very well 525 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,960 kind of swooping in and grabbing players who are disassociated 526 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,000 like Bryson Tucker or Malik Renew. 527 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,960 But the the other aspect is the criticism around the style of 528 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,320 play, the criticism around the offense. 529 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,040 The my, I guess, you know, the the few criticisms we've seen 530 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,680 about the defense this year, this upcoming year, you know, I 531 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,360 think this team could be very good offensively. 532 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,120 I'm not sure how good they're going to be defensively because 533 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,080 it's just really hard to bring people together. 534 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,760 But all of this is all, you know, it's all happening with 535 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,360 the backdrop of a college basketball scene that's changing 536 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:47,200 so dramatically, so quickly that the old methodologies of who 537 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,320 you're recruiting and who you're bringing in and how you're 538 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,680 approaching things. I was trying to get into this on 539 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,680 the last podcast where I was talking about, you know, the 540 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,800 extra scholarship. But it's like, well, do you 541 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,440 really want to go and fill that with somebody who's not going to 542 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,640 play when you'd rather have that player probably going somewhere 543 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,200 and playing for a whole season and getting extra development 544 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,120 and then being able to come in with a little more experience? 545 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,720 There's not really a need to have a 13th player on the 546 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,400 roster. That in and of itself is a huge 547 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,640 change philosophically from how a lot of programs would have 548 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,120 thought about things 5-10 years ago. 549 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:24,680 So it's it's it is really hard to judge Mike Woodson on a, you 550 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,600 know, a rubric that we've used for college basketball judgement 551 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,120 in the past. A lot of it is very dependent on 552 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,520 the current factors and then is ultimately dependent on things 553 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,640 we can't predict, which is how do all of these players that 554 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,080 they've gone out and gotten come together and and and get put 555 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080 together. So to go back to the central 556 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,680 thesis or the question that you were asking about. 557 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,880 And can I add one more thing about how things are changing? 558 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,240 You know, at some point there, you know this is not going to 559 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920 age well, but at some point there will be a team that 560 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,880 crushes it in the transfer portal that then crushes it in 561 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,000 the season. But at least with the small 562 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840 results, you know when you look at, and it's one point that 563 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080 there's a lot of different ranking services and This is why 564 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,200 I'm not a huge fan of getting too much into, you know, either 565 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000 Portal or recruiting stuff. If you go to 2024 seven sports 566 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,480 and you look at last year's team rankings for the transfer 567 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,480 portal, Number one was Arkansas. Number two was Indiana, #3 was 568 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,160 St. John's. 569 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,080 Number four was West Virginia, #5 was Kentucky, Kansas. 570 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,440 Alabama. Washington, MI, UCLA, one of 571 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,960 those teams made the Final Four and a a good handful of those 572 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,920 didn't make it to the second weekend or didn't even make it 573 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,440 to the tournament at all. So you know this And again they 574 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,200 they're this is not. Things are changing very quickly 575 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,240 in college athletics. So there will be a year when 576 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,680 someone is the top of the transfer portal and then makes 577 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560 the Final four and then suddenly everyone's going to think that's 578 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,120 the new model. Maybe this is that year for 579 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,040 Indiana, but this the idea of we're going to do a full scale 580 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680 reboot through the Portal every offseason. 581 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,720 At least thus far it hasn't shown that it can work again. 582 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640 I'm prefacing it. I think at some point it will 583 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,880 work. But that's that's the real 584 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,240 question that's at hand too, is, is this the right model right 585 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,400 now? And that's it's funny that's, 586 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,840 that's kind of been the thing under Woodson is, as you were 587 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,440 talking about it, you know, people get this murmuring about, 588 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,400 you know, he's not showing up to recruiting. 589 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,840 He's not doing it the way it's been done. 590 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,920 Then he kills it in recruiting. It's like, all right, that's 591 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,520 awesome. And then we're also, you know, 592 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,600 concerned about the, the style of play. 593 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960 And my thing is, like, you know, then just then when, like at 594 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,360 some point, like results can cover up a lot of that, you 595 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,920 know, no one's going to give him concerns about the way he's 596 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640 handling recruiting for the next five or six months, 'cause like, 597 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,040 yo, man, you just crushed it in the offseason. 598 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640 And he did. Yeah, well and going back to 599 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,960 your central thesis, like Woodson appears to be both mega 600 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,560 safe in his job but also on shaky ground. 601 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,200 I think among the people for whom it matters he's on pretty 602 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520 solid foundation and and you know that's going to be I think 603 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,960 interesting to watch though because ultimately we keep 604 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,320 coming back to this core issue. However good you feel about a 605 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,120 coach and I think it's been touched on an axis and Joe's a 606 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360 bunch. However good you feel about a 607 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360 coach, there is a honeymoon period that stops at some point. 608 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,120 And a lot of what they talk about on that show is in terms 609 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600 of recruiting, in terms of the the caliber of recruits that 610 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,920 you're able to pull in. But it's also about the fans and 611 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,400 it's about that relationship with the people who were paying 612 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,120 money for tickets. And yes, the donors are are more 613 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,560 important in the micro, but ultimately the macro, the 614 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,400 atmosphere around the program is the key thing and that was 615 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,520 really what was so concerning about February of 2024 with this 616 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,920 basketball team. And so much of this I think is 617 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,680 predicated moving forward on can Indiana avoid that kind of a 618 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,120 scenario where they've got a bunch of people looking around 619 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,720 and saying why on earth is this happening. 620 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,960 And and I guess the one thing I'll notice like Woodson has now 621 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,040 had, you know, two out of his three years, Indiana's had at 622 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,680 least A5 game or or or they lost four out of five or excuse me 5 623 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,000 out of 6 in February this year. They lost five in a row in 624 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,640 February in 2022. And it's like, yes, in both 625 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,800 cases they recovered a little bit at the end in 2022, they 626 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040 recovered enough to get to the NCAA tournament in the playing 627 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,440 game. But that is that a trend or is 628 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,120 that just statistical noise that we've seen the first two 629 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,040 seasons? I think this is where it makes 630 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,520 it hard to determine what the actual atmosphere is around the 631 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,520 program because there's a lot of people and you you see them in 632 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,840 the comments, you see them responding on social media and 633 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,400 you take some of that with a grain of salt. 634 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,160 But these are real people and in many cases from what I talk to 635 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000 people who are not online, they they match some of those 636 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 attitudes. These are people who just look 637 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,560 at this and say this isn't working. 638 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,280 It is going to take, as you said, wins against teams that 639 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,080 are better than what we've seen Indiana beating in order to get 640 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200 that out of the mindset of those people, regardless of how much 641 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,080 success there is in the portal or how much their success there 642 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,560 is on the recruiting trail. The other thing that's at play 643 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680 here, and I'm, I love the honeymoon period, it's so true. 644 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,400 You're seeing with IU football. I think that's why there's 645 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,440 excitement in back in IU. Football is just sometimes a 646 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,920 regime change just provides that just kind of provides, you know, 647 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,600 it's a it's a divorce, you're moving on. 648 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,360 But I would also argue, I think there's a reverse honeymoon 649 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,640 period on the back end of careers that unfortunately Mike 650 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240 Woodson is going to be facing here is you know it, it does 651 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,080 feel like when fan bases kind of see the end of the light so to 652 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,760 speak of you know you're seeing it now with Michigan State. 653 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,040 They've had a great, fantastic run and Izo has been the premier 654 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,600 coach of the Big 10 for 20 plus years. 655 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,120 I have a couple friends who are Michigan State fans, but they're 656 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,520 they're like they're in their little sphere of the world. 657 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,120 They're talking about, all right, when do we get, when do 658 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,680 we get rid of Izo? Like he's losing his touch. 659 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,280 Like he like they because they wouldn't do that in 20, you 660 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,840 know, 2011, because it's like you're right in the middle of 661 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,480 his career. And you know what's absurd? 662 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,120 Izo is going to be gone in the next three to four years or yes, 663 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,120 sometimes not not breaking news, but like he his career is going 664 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,719 to end soon. They know that. 665 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,560 And now kind of comes like the reverse honeymoon. 666 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,239 All right, we got to do we start to get antsy and this is 667 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560 something that is just going to be dealing with Woodson and that 668 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,960 if he's 66 years old, he's not going to coach until he's 80. 669 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,360 All the stuff that you're mentioning which your your stuff 670 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,400 on the business side is awesome. I love all of it. 671 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,159 But the other thing that you're seeing is all the older coaches 672 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,560 are getting out like this is not a older coach game. 673 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,800 And so I do think that is also going to be at play is that a 674 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440 lot of IU fans are just look, you know, going to look at it 675 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,320 every year is like all right. At some year Woodson's going to 676 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,719 be on a this is my last two or three-year plan. 677 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,880 Even if even if he wins three titles. 678 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,280 I'm not, I'm not trying to say push him out. 679 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,280 He just no coach over 65 seems to enjoy the landscape of 680 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,360 college basketball. You're right. 681 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,440 However, the one thing is that Woodson is not your traditional 682 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,320 old or college basketball coach. You're right. 683 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560 I mean that's like. Everything has a. 684 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,080 Everything has a has a left and a right. 685 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,840 Yeah. It's weird, no. 686 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,200 But it's interesting because the things that Woodson clearly 687 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,280 doesn't love to do, which is go out on the recruiting trail and 688 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,520 recruit high school students, you can make an argument that's 689 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,160 becoming just less and less important. 690 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,680 And this idea that you know you're going to get your high 691 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,800 profile five star freshman who decommits from somewhere or 692 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,080 maybe you grab them in the early period and they stay, yes, 693 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,360 you're going to plug those people in. 694 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,480 But a lot of it now is, as I've mentioned, very similar to how 695 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,680 European football works, where you get players that start at 696 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,760 lower levels, they demonstrate how good they can be. 697 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,960 The ones that are going to stick around in college sports, you 698 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,160 can grab those guys as sophomores or juniors. 699 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,640 It takes a lot of the lack of certainty about who they are and 700 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,360 what they can be out of the equation. 701 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,400 And Woodson, as we've mentioned since he got hired, if he has an 702 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,640 advantage in this environment is if if it keeps going that way 703 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,200 that is, do you want to have a guy who can evaluate talent and 704 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,400 say right now we see what this person can do and how they would 705 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,600 fit in and now we don't have to think are like are they going to 706 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,120 be a bust? And we saw that, let's say, you 707 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,160 know it's like CJ Gunn just transferred out, Kayla Banks 708 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960 just transferred out. Those guys were not developing 709 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,280 at a level that was commensurate with playing in the Big 10. 710 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,480 So you wasted kind of two years of development on both of them. 711 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,600 You're you're not necessarily doing that with the guys that 712 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,800 you're bringing in in the transfer portal, the last thing. 713 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640 Sorry. It also seems, it also seems 714 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,480 that, you know, traditional coaches are used to having a lot 715 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,800 of control and they want to control this process. 716 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600 And it does feel like with the portal, it's very similar to the 717 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,440 NBA where you're dealing with intermediaries and it kind of 718 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,400 just becomes money's not the only thing, but money's a much 719 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,160 more important thing. And you're kind of, you know, 720 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,200 Woodson is probably used to dealing with intermediaries and 721 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,960 just, you know, it's all about this number. 722 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,960 And I'll deal with your people, and maybe I'm not even involved. 723 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,800 Maybe my people deal with your people kind of thing. 724 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,520 The one last thing I'll say, and I think this is probably going 725 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,440 to be the big acid test of this year for a lot of people. 726 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,120 I mean, I I think if value just wins a lot, it won't be as big 727 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,080 of a deal. But if IU is still kind of in 728 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,960 this borderline where they're in the kind of 19 to 24 win range, 729 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:22,200 does Woodson change his offensive approach to match more 730 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,400 modern basketball and have it not look so stodgy, you know, 731 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,400 not have an offense that was as inefficient as it was last year? 732 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,240 That's going to be an interesting question because I 733 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,040 think a lot of people are just of the mindset that IU is not 734 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120 going to modernize their offense, that they're just going 735 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,000 to be locked into playing this. And I think there's a lot of 736 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,040 justifiable reasons why people feel that way because they felt 737 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,520 like they got sold well. They they felt they got sold a 738 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,400 bill of goods in the offseason last year where it's like, well, 739 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,600 we're only running that stuff because of Trace Jackson Davis. 740 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,040 And it's like, well, actually you weren't, but maybe it was. 741 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,560 Well, we're only running that stuff because we don't have 742 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,640 creators that guard and and that destroys everything and and 743 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,360 maybe they've got that this year. 744 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,040 But it's also interesting with the way the roster is 745 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,160 constructed. Even if you're playing both bigs 746 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,760 at the same time, it doesn't look like you're going to be 747 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,840 able to do that for 35 minutes a game because you don't have 748 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160 enough depth there. It does look like they may go to 749 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,960 a smaller, more versatile, more athletic line up. 750 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,800 I think a lot of people are tuned into that. 751 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,960 If that changes, I think a lot of the concerns around Woodson 752 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,920 among fans start to dissipate because I think fans are willing 753 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,200 to accept losses as long as they don't pile up and as long as IU 754 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,160 doesn't look dreadful in the losses, and that will be a 755 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,720 really fascinating thing to keep it. 756 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,920 The Pacers are kind of an interesting example of this 757 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,280 where you know, if the same Pacers team with the same record 758 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,000 and the same outcomes was scoring 93 points a game as 759 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,320 opposed to whatever they're scoring like 108 or 115. 760 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,960 I think there's a far different perception of the team, of the 761 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,920 of the franchise, of Rick Carlisle. 762 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,960 You know, having an offense that is is exciting to watch and can 763 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,520 go on these big spurts covers up a lot of the defensive 764 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,400 deficiencies that lead to losses. 765 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,720 You know, I'm really curious with IU to see how that plays 766 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,080 out and whether that ends up being a factor in how people 767 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,800 perceive Woodson moving forward. No, I mean that's that's a 768 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640 really interesting comp because that is one thing that I love 769 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,200 about this Pacers team is I feel like on any given night they can 770 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,880 beat anybody if they're playing well. 771 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,960 I don't know if they can win the NBA play series. 772 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,240 I don't know if they can beat A7 game series against the Celtics. 773 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,040 Even if they play 4, I'm not sure they can put together 4 774 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,480 great games. But, you know, it's been a while 775 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,000 since I felt that way with an IU team where it's like, hey, man, 776 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,240 if we're clicking, we can beat anybody in the country. 777 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:43,320 And that's with college basketball. 778 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,240 Like the tournament's different. If you're just clicking for a 779 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,080 couple weeks, you can do that. You're playing different 780 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,800 opponents and and things. You know it. 781 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,280 It's obviously different than the NBA, but I I agree with you. 782 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,320 But at some point it just comes down to to wins and losses, you 783 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,880 know, and and I I it does feel like to me that, you know, 784 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,080 Woodson is starting to, in my mind, narrow his options. 785 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,920 And the one option is going to be there needs to be some March 786 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,760 success 'cause I feel like if we have a really good season with a 787 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,560 lot of wins. And then we are not able to make 788 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,920 the second round of the tournament. 789 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,280 I think that's a goal. Second weekend. 790 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,840 Alright, second week, second weekend, second. 791 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520 Yeah, that'd be a problem. But I think, you know we've been 792 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,800 to the second round a couple Times Now. 793 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,480 Like I think second weekend is tough and as you know you've 794 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,080 you've mentioned this couple months ago and it stuck in my 795 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,520 head. But it is true that you know 796 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,440 this, this is where it's a little bit unfair with college 797 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600 basketball because it all comes down to you know, a couple 798 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,080 games. But it also is like this is the 799 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,760 job you signed up for and that's the those are the the 800 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,280 requirements that are up there. But you can have a really good 801 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,360 season. You can be a protected 3 seed 802 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,720 and not make the second weekend and it's you know it that This 803 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,760 is why it's tough to put all of your marbles in. 804 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,760 We have to have success in March. 805 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,360 But I think that that is unfortunately what's going to 806 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,120 start happening with IU because there hasn't been that success 807 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,560 in March for so long that at some point you're going to have 808 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480 to do it. But unfortunately you can have 809 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,280 really good teams that don't mean again, Auburn is a great 810 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,760 example. That was a great year. 811 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,000 That was a well constructed team, that was a well coached 812 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,120 team. They lost the wrong game at the 813 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,760 wrong time. The question is, was that a 814 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,600 successful season or not? You know they had a final four a 815 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,720 couple years ago that helps temper some of that. 816 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,400 We don't have any of that. So that that to me would be the 817 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,960 biggest fear is you have a season like Auburn coming up in 818 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,840 front of us and like how how does that? 819 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,720 Solve or resolve any of these issues and it probably doesn't. 820 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,080 I I think success in March is going to probably be that's 821 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,760 going to answer the the the most important answer to this 822 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,160 question Maybe though the one thing I'll say is I I do think a 823 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,560 really good regular season would solve a lot of people's concerns 824 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:48,680 about you know to me like like you know a Big Ten title or or 825 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,240 even just finishing in the top two again of the Big 10 would go 826 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,880 just as far unless IU goes and gets blown out in the tournament 827 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,400 afterwards like that you know so but there's a big. 828 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,120 Ten title, I'm with you. I think a Big Ten title serves a 829 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,000 lot. You know that that that 2016 830 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,920 team that holds a lot of Big 10 title is something, you know, a 831 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,160 Big 10 tournament title, which I know is fanciful. 832 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,560 That's something too. Well, and it's interesting 833 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,320 because if you look at the, the way too early rankings as far as 834 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,600 the Big 10 is concerned, I mean we've talked about this already, 835 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,040 the Big 10's going to be a bit down. 836 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:28,920 I mean, I'm I I am, I would love to smoke whatever the national 837 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,760 media are smoking regarding Purdue. 838 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,000 It's illegal in Indiana. Whatever. 839 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,720 It's illegal. It's legal in every other state, 840 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,400 wherever they're buying this stuff. 841 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,720 I mean, my God. I I mean, I've, I've seen 842 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,120 multiple people now come out and say, well, Purdue's got the best 843 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,840 backcourt in the country and I was like, on what planet are we 844 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,200 talking about Purdue having the best backcourt in the country? 845 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,080 Seriously, I, Graydon Smith and Fletcher Lawyer without Zach 846 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,000 Edie to draw defenses away is the best backcourt in the 847 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,040 country. I I wish you the best of luck 848 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,240 with that if that's what you're putting your money on. 849 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,320 But anyway, like if you look at the ESPN way too early rankings 850 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,520 put together by Jeff Borzello 6 days ago, Purdue's ranked 13th 851 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,640 in the country, Indiana's ranked 16th in the country. 852 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,960 And if you look around the rest of the Big 10 and this is where 853 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,280 it gets weird, do you know who the next team to consider is in 854 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,320 the national rankings? I've. 855 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,640 Not looked, I'm going to guess. I would assume Illinois. 856 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,880 No, This is why it's weird. And this I want to guess again. 857 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,120 Like just, I mean, just nationally, maybe like Michigan, 858 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,560 even though it makes absolutely no sense. 859 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,560 But. No, no. 860 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,040 It's weird for a different reason. 861 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,680 It's UCLA. Oh, I. 862 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,400 Forgot, forgot they're in the Big 10 happened. 863 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,640 That's the thing that happened, happening. 864 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,600 This year, you're right. I feel so. 865 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,200 Weird what's going on? I know, but that's like the next 866 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,920 like the next regular big Ted team is Ohio State, who was 867 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,520 dreadful last season and who's getting this ranking largely 868 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,120 because John Deebler had like, or Jake Deebler. 869 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,240 John John Deebler is Jake Tiebler finished eight and three 870 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,320 at the end of the season, so you got a bit of a dead cat bounce 871 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,040 there with Chris Holtman getting fired. 872 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,920 But that doesn't mean that they're going to be good. 873 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,120 It would be. If somebody's doing one of these 874 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,280 prognostications just threw in like DePaul, just to see like 875 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,760 like just to see if it took somebody like, oh shit, I didn't 876 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,240 realize DePaul wasn't the Big 10. 877 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,520 Yeah, I know. Well, And then like the next 878 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,600 ranked team is Maryland, who was dreadful this last season and it 879 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,000 was yet to really show much of anything under Kevin Willard. 880 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,720 But my point being we talk about Big 10 titles and I could, I 881 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,960 could maybe hear it in the back of some people says, well, IU is 882 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,400 not going to compete for a Big Ten title. 883 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,360 It's like that Big 10 is no, like there's no clear winners, 884 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,280 there's no clear leaders. IU from a talent perspective has 885 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,000 every piece of the puzzle. And to some degree, I'd like to 886 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,880 thank the national media for continuing to decide that Purdue 887 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,520 is the top team in the conference despite losing Zac 888 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,840 Edie and other pieces. Because that actually I think 889 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,560 will take a lot of pressure off of IU where they won't come in 890 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,720 as the the favorite in the conference. 891 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:09,640 Maybe they'll come in second or third, But that, you know, in a 892 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,440 season where there's not a clear favorite and where Indiana's 893 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,280 taking all these steps to make their roster better. 894 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,920 In the back of a lot of IU people's minds, I could see 895 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,960 they're saying, yeah, we we should compete for a Big Ten 896 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,520 title. And I think that would go such a 897 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,360 long way towards quelling whatever related or remaining 898 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,000 unrest there is in terms of Mike Woodson and and the way that 899 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,640 this program is is headed. So anyway. 900 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,440 I completely agree with that and I I think that's you know Big 10 901 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,520 hardware really matters and that is especially for a fan base 902 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,000 like like Indiana that you know we're competing with Purdue for 903 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,560 Big 10 titles And it it does that that regional piece, even 904 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,440 though it's UCLA, you know matters. 905 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,640 I I think you know that's something that could cover up 906 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,040 for a bad March, even if it's just man, it's a bad match up in 907 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,240 the second round or you know, however that happens. 908 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,120 You know if you had the Auburn season but you all don't did I 909 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,840 don't did Auburn win the SEC? But like if if you have the 910 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,680 Auburn season but you win the big 10s, you have a great 911 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,800 season, you win the big. Auburn. 912 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,920 Auburn did win the SEC outright. No, I'm no, I'm sorry. 913 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,480 I'm sorry. Tennessee wanted outright. 914 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,320 Auburn was in a four way tie for second. 915 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,240 I think that's like that to me is the the worst case scenario. 916 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,320 You have a really good season, but you don't win the Big 10, 917 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,520 you don't win the Big 10 title. You have a you know horror 918 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,960 result in March that's going to be really tough to square that 919 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,560 circle. But I do think if you get a Big 920 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,400 Ten title while it's going to suck if you lose in March. 921 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,520 I think that that that's enough like all right man that you you 922 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,200 did something and you've done something here that you know for 923 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,840 your coaches haven't done before like Archie Miller. 924 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,800 So I I think that would be that be important and I I kind of 925 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,560 agree with you I'm I'm trying really hard personally. 926 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,520 You know, I've taken some some crap on Twitter for for you 927 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600 know, being too negative or not being positive enough with them. 928 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,520 Like I'm trying really hard to just I don't want to get in a 929 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,600 yo-yo effect where I'm just like super high, super low. 930 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,720 Like oh or you know, I was pretty unhappy at the end of 931 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,120 last year and I'm trying to get back to neutral where it's like 932 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,920 I'm not super happy, super low. Like let's just have some 933 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,040 results show me. But you know that would be a Big 934 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,200 Ten title would be awesome. I think just winning, you know, 935 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,760 going through that process. Would be good too. 936 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,720 Let's jump over talk IU football real quick. 937 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,080 Obviously it's been a fascinating last few weeks for 938 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,000 them as we saw some exodus of players and I think that was 939 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,240 always to some degree to be expected given the lack of 940 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,480 certainty about how guys were going to adapt. 941 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,000 But we've also seen IU go back out, grab some additional 942 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,160 players who look really good. We're seeing them rated 943 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,520 relatively highly in terms of overall roster talent. 944 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,640 You know still some questions certainly on the lines but 945 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,360 they've they've made a lot of strides and we enter kind of a a 946 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,120 quiet period to some degree for IU football. 947 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,000 There's going to be some players that will still come into the 948 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,760 portal, they'll be still or come in from the portal. 949 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,240 I think we're done with players leaving in the portal because 950 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,400 that deadline has passed a couple of weeks ago. 951 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,600 But I think you know at this stage I'm I'm really curious 952 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,200 about IU football and expectations since we've been 953 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,880 talking about expectations this whole podcast. 954 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,760 This is 1 where I almost feel like the opposite is the case 955 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,680 where I feel like there's so much positivity about what Kurt 956 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,080 Cignetti and his staff have done up to this point. 957 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,600 I do. I, I, I, I look at a lot of the 958 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,920 the roster compositions of the various teams and who Indiana's 959 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,880 got to play. And while the the schedule is 960 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:47,640 certainly favorable, I do think it's worth just reminding people 961 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,240 that there is a long way to go with this IU roster. 962 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:54,960 And much as we've talked about the problems that IU basketball 963 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,280 might have about bringing a bunch of new feet faces 964 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,080 together, getting a good system in place where everybody knows 965 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,720 their role. IU football with the amount of 966 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:09,520 turnover they've had is in maybe an even more complicated state 967 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,440 because of how many pieces have to work comp in a complimentary 968 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,000 manner for good football to take place. 969 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,280 And so you look at like UCLA, who a lot of people are very 970 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,800 much disregarded. You know, their, their defensive 971 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,560 roster's actually very good and they're they're not going to be 972 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,640 a pushover, especially having to travel on the road. 973 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,160 You know, Washington on paper looks like they lost a lot, yet 974 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,120 they brought a lot in. And a lot of those players are 975 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,040 players that Jed Fish, their new head coach, had at Arizona. 976 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,360 You know, Northwestern. I mean, they're that's a team. 977 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,280 That is, they always seem to find a way to surprise. 978 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,320 They're either better than you think they're going to be or 979 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,360 worse than you think they're going to be, and I'm a little 980 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,200 worried that they're going to be better than people think. 981 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,880 I say all that not to try to pour cold water on the IU 982 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,840 football front, 'cause I think there's a lot of really exciting 983 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,600 moves being made. But I could see a scenario where 984 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,680 they're not winning eight or nine games certainly and and I 985 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,960 think that a lot of people, I don't know what the expectations 986 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,520 are, it's just been all positive. 987 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,760 I am curious to see what the reactions will be if it's not 988 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,840 all positive since it's the first year of Cignetti and his 989 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,560 staff at IU. So I'm going to reach out to our 990 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,840 or not reach out. I'm going to call out our 991 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,600 friends over at bite side Bison Taylor's done a great job over 992 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,800 there. Had a sub stack where he went 993 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,800 back and forth with Ben Witterstein with the 994 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,680 Wittenstein. I was never going to say it 995 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,520 right with the the the pre preseason analysis, but what I 996 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,560 thought was interesting is you know where Indiana on the Vegas 997 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,240 books is at 5 1/2 wins this season and when you look at the 998 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,480 other teams, Indiana's playing in the Big 10, four of those 999 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,160 teams are either at or below that. 1000 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,000 Now now obviously people can be above the expectations, below 1001 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,200 the expectations, but we have the the same win total as UCLAA, 1002 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,320 higher win, sorry, same win total as Northwestern, a low 1003 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,200 higher win total than Michigan State who's 4 1/2 and Purdue is 1004 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000 also at 4 1/2. So if you assume that you know 1005 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,240 we're at that level or we're better than those teams that's 1006 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,280 four Big Ten wins right there with three non conference that's 1007 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,080 A7 win season which to me is awesome. 1008 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,360 I I think this is where you know expectations this is you know 1009 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,920 back to the ex's and jo's guys. You know this is you have the 1010 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,760 honeymoon phase and so even not meeting expectations in your 1011 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,080 first year is not awful because you can still sell yourself on. 1012 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,000 We're building the the foundations that's why this is a 1013 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,200 good place to be. But I also think that IU 1014 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,960 football just has a different expectation set then, you know 1015 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,720 IU basketball and that if we get to five wins and it looks like 1016 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,480 we were really close to get to six or seven, I think people 1017 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,440 will be there. I just, I look at it similarly 1018 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,920 to you with the basketball that I'm not sure given our schedule 1019 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,840 how tough it is going to be for us to win four or five games in 1020 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,680 the Big 10 just based on the teams that we're playing and 1021 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,400 where they're all projected to be. 1022 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,200 I'm also drinking a lot of the Kool-aid and really enjoying 1023 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,520 what I'm seeing. But yeah, it's going to be 1024 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,800 interesting. I also just think if if Indiana 1025 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,160 falls a little bit flat, I don't think there's going to be the 1026 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,640 same kind of reaction. But you know, all of that is 1027 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,760 going to change. If they come out and they're not 1028 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,760 able to go 2 and O going into UCLA, like if you can't beat FIU 1029 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,720 or Western Illinois, you know what we'll get. 1030 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,000 As Yogi Berra would say, it gets late real quick here. 1031 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,720 You know that those that is where I think there would be 1032 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,080 some alarm bells like, oh, this is, well, you really won the 1033 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,600 offseason, but you're not able to win games on the field. 1034 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,760 But if they come out, you know, even if they're two and one 1035 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,520 after that UCLA game, things are fine. 1036 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,360 But it kind of depends on what that one loss looks like. 1037 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,760 If it's the FIU or Western Illinois, it's not good or they 1038 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,000 just get completely boat race by UCLAA team that's not projected 1039 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,360 to be awesome. That's also going to be 1040 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,520 concerning. Culture change is hard, which I 1041 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,280 guess is kind of why I wanted to bring it up. 1042 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,720 And you know there's. That's very fairpoint. 1043 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,040 I'll use so I I'm a for those who follow the Premier League. 1044 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,720 I'm a Tottenham supporter and it's been interesting watching 1045 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:03,640 the first year of of Antipostokoglu as the Tottenham 1046 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,680 manager they did. You know they they lose the best 1047 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,720 scorer in Premier League history before the season starts and 1048 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,080 they still figure out a way to finish fifth. 1049 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,400 They're going to I think they're going to finish fifth here and 1050 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,920 and that's a great accomplishments. 1051 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,080 First European football they've had in a couple of years first 1052 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,480 year that they finished with the same manager they started with 1053 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,120 and yet though they ended the season very poorly. 1054 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,880 You know I think they dropped they they got three points out 1055 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,760 of their last five games which is real bad. 1056 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,760 The thing is that you know you you if you see the press 1057 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,320 conferences that have been held and and you read through the 1058 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,400 comments, a lot of it is post to Cogloo saying the culture is not 1059 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,000 there like there is. There is still a lot of problems 1060 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,920 with the mentality and the thought process that the players 1061 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,680 and the and the club have and that is leading to a lot of the 1062 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:59,040 problems in key pressure moments for IU. 1063 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,200 You know this, this is going to be the big question mark. 1064 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,800 Like as much as the culture looked like it had changed under 1065 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,520 Tom Allen and as much as in the the 19 or the 20 season and the 1066 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,680 21 season, it was like, oh, actually it's the 19th season 1067 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,880 and the 20 season. It was like, wow, this team is 1068 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,040 different. This is not the same IU of old 1069 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,000 21/22/23. The veneer comes away and it's 1070 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,480 like, oh, we still have a beat up car, yeah. 1071 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,640 Exactly. And so that to me is a really 1072 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,840 fascinating thing with IU football which is like you can 1073 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,400 bring these extra players in. And this is where I think even 1074 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,880 if you've got questions and Taylor's done a good job on bite 1075 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,400 sized bison of of trying to parse you know how well 1076 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,880 statistically will and basically a non power five player 1077 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,040 translate to the power Five level. 1078 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,680 I have to stop using the term Power 5 because it's really just 1079 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,680 power two. But coming from James Madison up 1080 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,120 to this level or coming from a Max school up to this level, 1081 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,280 there's a statistical element. How does that translate? 1082 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,560 But the other aspect of it is if you can import winning culture 1083 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,360 and if you can import that idea that the thought process is as 1084 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,400 important as the actual physical manifestation on the field, that 1085 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,080 really does make a big difference. 1086 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,440 And that I think is going to be the big question mark, not just 1087 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,800 for IU football, but for IU basketball to some degree as 1088 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,040 well. Like so much of this and this is 1089 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:23,360 I guess where it's an A, a, a, a thing that hasn't been talked 1090 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,800 about as much with Woodson, but I think after last year deserves 1091 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,760 some commentary and and really will help to determine how 1092 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,240 people think about things moving forward. 1093 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,200 It's like it felt like the culture took a step backwards in 1094 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,200 2324. Does it come back to where it 1095 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,520 looked like it was in 2223 with IU football? 1096 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,480 Nobody's around essentially still from the last really good 1097 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,720 culture team that IU had, can Signetti instill that in his 1098 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:54,840 team because that as we know from watching teams like Iowa, 1099 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,640 Wisconsin, you know teams that are underpowered from a talent 1100 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,520 perspective, a lot of their wins. 1101 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,840 Northwestern is probably the best example of this come from 1102 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,520 mentality and and come from being able to to do the little 1103 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,320 things. So that to me is where I'm the 1104 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,960 most interested in how all this plays out. 1105 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,640 And I'm looking forward, frankly, to those first couple 1106 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,760 of games because as you said, if you're close in those games, I 1107 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,960 mean what look, if you think about IE football last year, 1108 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,280 when did we know for sure that there was a real problem? 1109 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,280 You know, it, it wasn't the huge losses that Indiana, you know, 1110 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,160 would suffer. It was Akron. 1111 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,840 It was the Akron game, 100%, that Akron game. 1112 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,360 Like you, we thought we looked at that Louisville game and we 1113 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,880 said to ourselves, oh, maybe this team has got some juice in 1114 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,000 it because, you know, they. They they the second-half is 1115 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,240 what we're going to get the rest of the year. 1116 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,000 And then you get that Akron game and they got to go to multiple 1117 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,440 overtimes to defeat Akron at home, and that was a terrible 1118 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,760 Akron team. And immediately they come out of 1119 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,080 that. They lose 4417 to Maryland, they 1120 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,640 lose 52 to 7 to Michigan, they lose 3114 at home to Rutgers and 1121 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,320 were really never in the game. They lose at Penn State, yeah, 1122 00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,880 but the Penn State game was better. 1123 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,560 But it like they they were clearly in a swoon at that point 1124 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000 and and I think you know by the time they go into the Penn State 1125 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,800 game they were like one but two and five or something like that. 1126 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,520 So we will know I think pretty early then the question is, is 1127 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,760 that sustainable over a 12 game regular season. 1128 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,360 So yeah it should be fun. It's interesting, but that's 1129 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,280 that's the stuff that we can't tell from looking at the 1130 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,720 transfers in and out and looking even at the schemes that have 1131 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,520 been run. What I'm excited about is on the 1132 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,480 last pod that you did, you were talking about that I didn't know 1133 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,280 the the venue change. I knew that Northwestern had 1134 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,280 turned down their stadium. I didn't know the venue change 1135 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,320 stuff. It's funny, you're just like 1136 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,160 you're normally, you know, relatively even keel and you 1137 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,840 have, you have very measured, you know takes on the pods. 1138 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,360 It was just funny when you're like like moving the game in 1139 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,120 Northwestern and I'm pissed and now I'm excited for your post 1140 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,160 game for that. Because if we end up losing that 1141 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,920 game based on like wild wind or something crazy. 1142 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,720 I just, I'm going to normally you kind of let me go bananas 1143 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,560 and just rant like I I'm just going to I'm putting a pin in it 1144 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,360 now put a note like put a thing in my calendar. 1145 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,000 Like if we lose that game because of something crazy based 1146 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,560 in the field like I'm just going to let Galen cook. 1147 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,720 Like I'll do the open. I'll do the home field apparel 1148 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,360 and then I'll just get a quick that's a coffee again cup of 1149 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,240 coffee and let you cook. It'll be a hell of a way to 1150 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,000 close out September, I'll tell you that much. 1151 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,600 Yeah, Tune TuneIn on that one, folks. 1152 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,640 Make sure your your sub stack subscription is ready to roll. 1153 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,320 There'll probably be AVIP episode about that one too. 1154 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,480 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Anyway, before we wrap up, let's 1155 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,040 talk some Indy 500. We are. 1156 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,280 We're recording this at 11:40. Well, we've we've been recording 1157 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,000 for an hour at this point, so if you're still with us, thank you. 1158 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:43,160 But Indy 500 qualifying this wacky format that they went to 1159 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,120 several years ago where that we've locked in positions 13 1160 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,080 through 30 as real? Quick, I did a I'm sorry, I'm 1161 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,480 interrupting. It's it's on brand. 1162 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,960 I did a premium post about this on the sub stack, but I'm 1163 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,920 curious, your thoughts, getting up to this point real quick, 1164 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,720 IndyCar talk. What are your thoughts on the 1165 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,240 the Penske pass thing and, you know, having to actually change? 1166 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,800 It's been an odd season, so I'm just curious, you're recapping 1167 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,160 again if you go to the premium sub stack. 1168 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,640 I have some videos on my thoughts on IndyCar up to this 1169 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,120 point. It's not that we're trying to 1170 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,080 put it all behind a paywall, We're just trying to not subject 1171 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,960 people with more IndyCar talk 'cause it's wild. 1172 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,840 What are your thoughts on what's happened so far this season with 1173 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,560 that? Well, I mean, look, I'm at, I 1174 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,880 am. I'm glad IndyCar actually took 1175 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,440 the steps to say something was done wrong here. 1176 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,000 We're going to go back and investigate. 1177 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,440 I think that's important. The problem is ultimately 1178 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,920 twofold. A Penske's got such good cars 1179 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,800 and and there's such a well run organization then ultimately the 1180 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,520 punishments that were metered out aren't really going to be 1181 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,040 punishments that are going to hurt them the same way they 1182 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,600 would hurt like Errol McLaren or or Andretti or you know well 1183 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,760 Andretti does a good job of hurting itself most of the time. 1184 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,600 But like, so people I think are expecting Penske to get like 1185 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,120 penalized in a way that's going to harm their performance. 1186 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,320 It's like that's not going to happen because their performance 1187 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,400 isn't really dependent on the things that they're getting 1188 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,200 penalized for to any huge degree, so. 1189 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,000 You know, it's it's important that the series demonstrate that 1190 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,480 nobody's above the law. And I thought all the Penske 1191 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,840 explanations were kind of dumb. But I also think it's important 1192 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,280 to remember that cheating happens in auto racing all the 1193 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,480 damn time. It happens in F1, it happens in 1194 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,840 IndyCar, it happens in NASCAR. Probably 5 to 10% of it actually 1195 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,600 ever gets caught. And I so I I have a hard time 1196 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:41,800 being that upset about the actual scandal itself, given 1197 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,400 that it's in the big scheme of things, probably a relatively 1198 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,600 minor thing, all things considered. 1199 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,080 But it's like it's a it's a cloud. 1200 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,360 For a series that didn't need clouds, that is not a reason to 1201 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,160 not do the punishment. It's just it's almost like it's 1202 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,280 such a weird thing to try to describe what happened that it 1203 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,440 almost loses its impact. Does that make sense? 1204 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,280 It does. You know my my feeling on it is 1205 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,320 it it highlights what is so wrong with this series is that 1206 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,440 you know we we talk on these races especially the road and 1207 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,480 St. courses. All they talk about is push to 1208 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,520 pass and top the different tire compounds and and I would be 1209 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,320 hard pressed to remember 4 races where either of those things 1210 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,520 really affected the race. You know it it maybe it does on 1211 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,400 the margins, but we talk about tire compounds ad nauseam in 1212 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,320 these races. And then I went to the indie 1213 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,320 Grand Prix with my family. It was awesome for 12 seconds 1214 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,960 when the race started, it was awesome for the one restart. 1215 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,600 The rest of the time Pelosi is running away with it and it's 1216 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,680 like you need some kind of competition to bring these teams 1217 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,240 together. And I just it to me it it 1218 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,640 highlights, you know, it's like you said it's a dark cloud over 1219 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,120 a sport but it's like we're going nuts over this, this push 1220 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,760 to pass when it never effects anything. 1221 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,920 I've never seen a race, you know, it's like, oh, he's got, 1222 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,440 he's got more push to pass, but there's no, there's nowhere to 1223 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,520 pass in Barber. So that's all you know, it's 1224 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,960 like it's these advantages they talk about on the broadcast. 1225 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,880 They're trying to sell the excitement and then nothing ever 1226 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,440 happens. And so to me, like to the 1227 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,120 series, like you guys are kind of wrapped around your own axle 1228 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,920 here, like make this stuff better or more important or just 1229 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,880 get rid of it because the push to pass like people were 1230 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,000 cheating, but it still didn't matter. 1231 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,960 Like, I don't think Newgarden won that he was going to win the 1232 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,440 race anyway. It's like you still, he still 1233 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,080 couldn't pass the people. He couldn't pass on the places 1234 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,320 you couldn't pass. I don't know. 1235 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,680 I just, I think it highlights. They have all of these little 1236 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,120 gimmicks, but none of them are working. 1237 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,720 It's like if you're going to go down the gimmick route, do the 1238 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,000 NASCAR thing and just do a competition yellow every 20 1239 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,560 laps. I mean just have real gimmicks 1240 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,760 that actually bring the field together or just be the the the 1241 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,040 natural racing series. But I don't know, I I took away. 1242 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,040 It's like, like you said, it's really tough to explain to 1243 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,360 somebody what this is like. Oh, this is big enough that they 1244 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,960 got penalized a winner of a race. 1245 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,720 Then you'd be like, Oh well then this, this push to pass must be 1246 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,440 the most important thing in every race. 1247 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,960 Like, no, actually, it really never effects anything. 1248 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,560 Well, I mean, yeah, I get what you're saying. 1249 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,080 Yeah. Ultimately, it's just it's one 1250 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,800 of those things, and this is where I think rules violations 1251 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:13,240 in all sports are problematic to try to explain. 1252 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,320 It's kind of like I think about the NBA with this, like the 1253 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,440 number of things that I haven't been aware of as far as like the 1254 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,040 minutiae of the NBA rulebook. There was this thing happened in 1255 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,920 the in the Mavs Thunder game last night, which you missed 1256 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,640 because you were, you know, bidding on on on prizes. 1257 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,400 But you know, there's a call at the end of the game that ends up 1258 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,120 ending the series. And, you know, I'm still trying 1259 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,160 to put together exactly what the hell happened. 1260 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,920 We've seen this in the Pacers series with Yeah, it's like, oh, 1261 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,520 that's not reviewable. It's like why? 1262 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,480 I didn't know that. Yeah. 1263 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,680 Or oh, that's not a foul, even though it's clearly a foul. 1264 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:53,080 There's just all these things where I feel like, yeah, the 1265 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,280 there needs to be a reckoning across the board sometimes 1266 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,600 about, OK, what is actually important, what is not. 1267 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,600 Because these rule books tend to not get cleaned out and and 1268 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,480 organized properly. And most of them are written for 1269 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,040 scenarios where you're not using replay because they precede 1270 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,880 replay and yet now we've got replay. 1271 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,200 But they're not really using replay in the way that could be 1272 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,360 used to make things easier. They're just taking complicated 1273 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,800 things and making them either seem stupid or incomprehensible, 1274 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,680 neither of which is really a good outcome. 1275 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,560 It also feels like aliens just dropped basketball, you know, 1276 01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:28,880 sports on. It's like, well, this has to be, 1277 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,360 you know, this is Bible. It's like, no, like this. 1278 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,760 In the end, this is entertainment. 1279 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,560 Like, I want to be enjoying what I'm watching and yes, I'd like, 1280 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,320 you know, fair competition. But I also, once we go to the 1281 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,800 monitor for the 15th time, like this is no longer. 1282 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,600 I'd rather have just missed calls than 30 seconds to the 1283 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,840 monitor every two minutes. Or if you know that's, I agree. 1284 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,960 Like the more you can get rid of the monitor, the better I think 1285 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,240 you're the better solution you have at that point, not so much. 1286 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,960 Not the monitor itself like you need to be. 1287 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,640 You need to be looking at calls and making sure they're right. 1288 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,880 What you don't need is the performative theater of the 1289 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,320 official then going and talking into a microphone where they're 1290 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,800 on camera. That got that really hurts. 1291 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,800 And now going back to the IndyCar thing, I think the 1292 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,800 problem there. The weirdest camera. 1293 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,320 And just side note, the weirdest camera angle in the NBA. 1294 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,520 It's like great visuals the whole time and then suddenly 1295 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,280 it's like he's on my webcam talking into monitors. 1296 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,640 Bananas anyway. IndyCar and it was the IndyCar 1297 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,800 thing I was going to say was essentially it's it's not a 1298 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:37,160 great look when rules breaking happens and you're not sure what 1299 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,800 the heck's going on that it's almost the opposite there, where 1300 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,880 it's like the broadcasters generally don't do a great job 1301 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,040 of describing why something happened the way that it 1302 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,000 happened. And in a very technical sport, 1303 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,640 which has a lot of technical rules, I think that there could 1304 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:52,800 be some better things done there. 1305 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,720 Anyway, I'm done. I'm done on that topic. 1306 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,920 But anyway, qualifying will happen to see or it happened 1307 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,920 yesterday on Saturday and then by the time some of you listen 1308 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,880 to this, we'll already have the full field set. 1309 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,160 We'll have the the, the fast twelve thing. 1310 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,600 It's it's been kind of a of a a not terribly exciting month of 1311 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,560 May so far. Unfortunately some of that is 1312 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,960 weather we haven't had the the track time for a lot of the 1313 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,080 teams. It is weird, like you're seeing 1314 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,040 a lot of engine issues on both sides of the equation. 1315 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,280 Honda's had issues, Chevy's had issues. 1316 01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,800 Which is always funny to me because then the the the driver, 1317 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,720 not exactly an engine issue, but like you know, Graham Rahal came 1318 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,520 out and I get it. He's like, man, the guys in the 1319 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,200 the the guys in the garage been working on this, you know, for 1320 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,720 nine months. They've been putting their work 1321 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:41,840 in. You always hear that and it's 1322 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,640 like have that like have you been working for this for a 1323 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,000 year? And I know it's way more 1324 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,400 technical than I'm giving credit for, but it's like you've been 1325 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,640 working for a year. Why can't you get 4 laps out of 1326 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,800 your engine? There's just a lot of little, 1327 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,440 and again, these are very complicated machines and you 1328 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,520 know, you can watch F1, you see a similar kind of thing. 1329 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,800 But the problem for indie though, is that this is the 1330 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,560 month that everything has to align. 1331 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,320 You need a good show. You know, you had the, you had 1332 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,440 the Indie Grand Prix, which happened, you know, basically 1333 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,640 two weeks ago or a week ago, and that was a really dull race. 1334 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,840 Again, I've, I can't remember. Like, I don't remember anything 1335 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,720 about those races other than bad stuff that's happened. 1336 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,200 Like, I don't remember the winners, but I remember Cliff 1337 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,600 ran into each other. And. 1338 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,360 Or Hinchcliffe getting hit in the helmet, you know, I mean you 1339 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,320 like stuff like that is that is seems to be the most and it's a 1340 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,800 shame because that is what the fastest Rd. circuit that they 1341 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,480 have on the series, I think or something along those lines. 1342 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,680 And normally it's just kind of like, well here's an event to 1343 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,160 start. And so I like that idea, but 1344 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,880 it's blended into a pretty nondescript period here. 1345 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,440 And qualifying yesterday, I mean I watched almost the entire 8 1346 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,800 hours or wherever whatever it was and there just wasn't a lot 1347 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,320 of drama there. It's in. 1348 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,720 And you know, this has been the case for years where everybody 1349 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,480 wants to go with the very beginning because the track is 1350 01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,920 still cool and then some stuff happens during the middle of the 1351 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,920 day, but the track is too hot in most cases to really go out and 1352 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,480 good get good attempts. Then everything jams up at the 1353 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,600 end and you know the the, the used to be that everything was 1354 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,319 decided on the first day that mattered and then you'd backfill 1355 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,000 the field on the second day and there was a whole second weekend 1356 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,240 of qualifying, which is when the bumping would happen. 1357 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,479 That wasn't a great system either. 1358 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,880 I just don't know that what they've got right now is a 1359 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,520 particularly good system because you really have to be pretty 1360 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,479 hardcore to want to sit there and watch 8 hours of qualifying 1361 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,120 when the whoever finishes in the top 12 really doesn't matter. 1362 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,520 It's really only who finishes 11th, 12th, 13th. 1363 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,160 No one's that worried about the bottom of the field because no 1364 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:55,040 one cares about the fact that the 30th driver gets in and the 1365 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,600 31st driver doesn't. Even with some big names there 1366 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,479 like Marcus Erickson has not qualified yet. 1367 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,319 Graham Rahal is not qualified yet. 1368 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000 The chances of both of them getting in are still pretty 1369 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,600 good. Maybe. 1370 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,319 Maybe Graham Rahal not, I don't know. 1371 01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,279 But is Graham Rahal's not almost not a big enough name at this 1372 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:14,880 point to even get that fired up about it. 1373 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,319 The Fast 12 kind of looks like a FAI accompli. 1374 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,279 Like are is anybody really going to be able to challenge any of 1375 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:22,840 these Penske cars for the front row? 1376 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,600 It doesn't look like it, you know, maybe Rossi. 1377 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,439 But Rossi, I I I'll be surprised If Rossi's on the front row. 1378 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,319 I'd be happy to eat my words. But given the problems with the 1379 01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:37,000 rest of the team has had, the only really interesting story 1380 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,880 was the Kyle Larson thing. And even that was just kind of 1381 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,640 like what we know he's going to qualify the car and he's 1382 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,319 probably going to be in the fast 12. 1383 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,240 It just felt like a long day of not a lot, and that for a series 1384 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,000 that really needs to maximize what little time in the sun it 1385 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,640 gets, that feels like a concern. I agree. 1386 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,600 I mean it's it's the the last 30. 1387 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,480 We were texting about this. The last 30 minutes of the 1388 01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,120 Saturday is always good. But it's like this is the 1389 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,520 problem with filling the field is you have to fill basically 20 1390 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,800 spots that are not exciting. You know, it's either you're in 1391 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,560 the fast 12 or you're in the bottom 4. 1392 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,680 Everything in the middle is kind of just once you're in those 1393 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,480 middle numbers. Yeah, you're in, like you're in. 1394 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,000 You're not going to be fast. You're not going to be slow. 1395 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,200 You're in, you're in. And it, you know, it takes 2 1396 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,920 hours to do that. It's not super fun. 1397 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,240 The thing that's frustrated me with the qualifying process, I 1398 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,800 do kind of. I'm OK with the system they have 1399 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:24,720 now. It makes for a really 1400 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,160 interesting Sunday and it just sucks. 1401 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,120 And now it's like going up against the Pacers game. 1402 01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,000 So no one very few people are you know Pacers fans are going 1403 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,240 to watch. They've you know by by bringing 1404 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,360 in the Indy Rd. course. The idea was that's kind of how 1405 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,800 you open the month of May, but in doing so, you know that lock 1406 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,080 them into four days of practice because then they have to. 1407 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,840 You know, Mother's Day is the day after Monday. 1408 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,440 They got to flip the course back to the Oval. 1409 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:50,960 So you don't have practice on Monday and now you just have 1410 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,640 practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday to bring the 1411 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,880 boost up, you know, and weather seems to always come into place. 1412 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,920 The weather's always taking off 2 days and everybody's like, 1413 01:10:58,920 --> 01:10:59,920 wow, we don't have any practice time. 1414 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,320 It's like well. It's May. 1415 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,240 It's May in Indiana. Like we've done this a bunch. 1416 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,280 Like for how old's the state? 200 years old, I mean. 1417 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,240 Had to go to thermal to fill a weekend like you have a ton of 1418 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,760 time. Move that IndyCar, the the road 1419 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,280 course, race back a week or two, doesn't have to be in May, end 1420 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,360 of April and then bring us back two weeks of qualify, 2 weeks of 1421 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,560 practice, maybe two weekends of qualifying. 1422 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,120 Like sell this is your event, sell your big event. 1423 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,480 I mean, as somebody who's a fan, I love having practice on, just 1424 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:33,080 on my TV, just kind of listening to it, watching it. 1425 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,480 I only get three days, you know, three or four days of that now 1426 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,680 and normally 2 because it rains out like I I think they've done 1427 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,560 themselves a massive disservice. And I think you end up seeing a 1428 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,680 lot of teams struggling to figure things out and it ends up 1429 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,280 being just a a Penske shootout almost. 1430 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,880 It's always a Penske Ganassi shootout every year because 1431 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,000 those are the teams that, you know, pardon my French, have 1432 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,920 their shit together. And other teams, you don't give 1433 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,960 them enough qualifying, they're going to have a bunch of issues 1434 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,240 and trouble getting it in the field. 1435 01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,360 So anyway, that that being said today will be interesting. 1436 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,280 I agree with you. I think it's, you know, normally 1437 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,280 the fast 12, anyone in that top four is going to be on the front 1438 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,760 row. You very rarely in this in this 1439 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,640 set up that we've had for the last couple years, somebody in 1440 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,120 position 6 or below in that fast 12 ever jump up to the front 1441 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,120 row. You know I like Santino 1442 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,840 Ferrucci. I think he's a driver that has 1443 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:25,000 done well in the race. But I mean he's his team is AJ 1444 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,760 Foy. So that that's always going to 1445 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,200 be a hindrance. I just, I think you're going to 1446 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,040 see that. As for the the drivers don't 1447 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,120 make it. I think the Ericsson thing is 1448 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,640 interested. It's a guy who's finished first 1449 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,880 and second his last two, five hundreds to now be on the 1450 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,000 bubble. You know this is what IndyCar 1451 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,880 should be selling. This should this is your like 1452 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,240 this is a guy who you know theoretically is on track to 1453 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,880 have one of the best careers at Indy just based on his first 1454 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,880 couple of races who's not even in the field right now. 1455 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,240 That's that's the the focus. I think a lot of people are 1456 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,160 looking at Graham Rahal. The idea like he hasn't made it 1457 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,360 two years in a row. Maybe that's more on him. 1458 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,920 Oh my gosh, fast jumping in on me. 1459 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,920 That's the sign that. That's the sign we've gone too 1460 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,000 long. And he's right. 1461 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,440 He's. Way more interested in paper 1462 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,080 than Indy 500. Wow that that was seeing Scott 1463 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,720 get freaked out. Watch it on YouTube. 1464 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,840 Scott almost having a heart attack with his. 1465 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,400 I hope, I hope the viewers got as much joy out of that as I 1466 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:16,600 did. That was tremendous all. 1467 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,360 Right. Thanks, man. 1468 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,000 All right, that's he gets the talking gene from me. 1469 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,320 That's tremendous. Being interrupted by my own son. 1470 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,680 It's it's karma. But anyway, so I I think that I 1471 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,880 I am interested for all of this, but I it does, as always, feel 1472 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,880 like IndyCar has good things to work with and finds a way to 1473 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,880 kind of do the worst with them. I all I'll say is, I mean, I'm, 1474 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,800 I was trying to talk of this on the last podcast and we'll wrap 1475 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,360 up here. I'm just not sure who to get 1476 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,760 excited about this year. Yeah, I'm really not. 1477 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,760 And I know who the drivers are. I know who, who, what teams they 1478 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,480 belong to. I'm just not sure who to get 1479 01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,080 excited about at this point. And so I. 1480 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,160 Think it's a problem with the series that drivers just you 1481 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,960 know none of them are It's not it's never been to me AUS or 1482 01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:02,880 foreign thing like I Tony Kahn is one of my favorite drivers of 1483 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,560 all time. I think Elio is very fun to 1484 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,200 watch. You know my wife loves 1485 01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,240 Tekumasado. I think he's a fun driver. 1486 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,200 None of them are American. I can tell this is just a a 1487 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,120 batch of drivers that are all kind of vanilla and boring and 1488 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,400 and a lot of them are you know VVQIS as I'm programming my my 1489 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:20,880 scanner. It's all a lot of, you know V 1490 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,600 Quist, you know Rosenquist, a lot of VQISTS, a lot of kind of 1491 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,040 you know, Scandinavian drivers who just are not super 1492 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,720 interesting in the crop that's coming in. 1493 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,720 They just need some personality. Like Newgarden is screaming to 1494 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,960 be the face of the series and it's like just be interesting 1495 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,280 man, like stop taking the Scott Dixon playbook. 1496 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,200 And to me I think that is part of the problem of Graham Rahal 1497 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,280 is actually kind of a interesting engaging guy. 1498 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,440 He's just not good enough to to be up there. 1499 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:49,840 I I think that's a problem is the series needs needs 1500 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,640 personalities and this is this is what you get with single 1501 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,120 player sports. You know, tennis has dealt with 1502 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,680 this where it's not so much in a you know, people love Federer 1503 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,760 and Nadal. You you need guys who are who, 1504 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,560 who grasp your imagination and sometimes they're not there. 1505 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,680 And I think that's what's running with IndyCar right now 1506 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,200 is a lot of the younger drivers that are coming up like the 1507 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,880 Paddle Awards, Alex Pelosi, who were good, are just not super 1508 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,520 interesting. I don't I mean I I I know you 1509 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,280 and I have talked about this a bunch and I understand where 1510 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,880 you're coming from. I just think the races aren't 1511 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,680 that interesting at this point. That's that's 100%. 1512 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,680 I I honestly could give or take the personalities. 1513 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,120 I I fell in love with IndyCar because I really enjoyed the 1514 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:32,640 racing and it just it isn't there to me at the same level 1515 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,040 that it needs to be. And and that is like Indy's the 1516 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,840 one race where it's normally pretty good. 1517 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,120 Although it's like it's also just kind of a crap shoot at 1518 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,240 this point. Indy is It's a luck thing more 1519 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,040 than anything. Else so you get a lot of Indy's 1520 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,000 gotten worse too. It's turned into like everyone 1521 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,440 goes the first lap and then everybody's immediately in. 1522 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,480 All right, let's let's prepare for the last 20 laps. 1523 01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,720 It's like that's again, back to the rules. 1524 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:55,920 Like, that's great guys, but like. 1525 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,040 I'm sitting here in the sun for three hours like I'd like to not 1526 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,360 just Fast forward to two hours from now. 1527 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,560 Some of that is because the cars are just that much better. 1528 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,280 I mean, like the number of the thing about the every qualifier 1529 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:12,960 on Saturday did at least 231 miles an hour and didn't look 1530 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,360 like they were pushing it. And that's great for safety and 1531 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,960 it's great because you've got this high level speed, but 1532 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,000 everybody's within essentially 2 1/2 miles an hour of each other 1533 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,400 or three miles an hour of each other. 1534 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,480 So there's this, like there, there was this whole like thing. 1535 01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:32,400 There's this, like, why is Hakuma Sato's car working and 1536 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,200 Graham Ray Hall's isn't? And you know they're both on the 1537 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,080 same team. And then you look at the numbers 1538 01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:42,040 and it's like Takuma Sato's car went like 2 miles an hour faster 1539 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,080 which which on four lap average of the. 1540 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,200 It's just it's it's it's milliseconds. 1541 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,640 You know it's tenths of a second like that's it's really not that 1542 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,120 much of a difference. So you're, and to some degree I 1543 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,440 think you get to a point in auto racing where the differences 1544 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:03,280 become so minuscule that it does take away from the competitive 1545 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,400 aspects. Because, as we know, like the 1546 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,560 big the big misconception about Indy is that IndyCar, like in 1547 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,360 the Indy 500, is a race to determine who the fastest car 1548 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,880 is. That is technically true, but 1549 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,680 Indy was always about What Car could go 500 miles under those 1550 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,600 conditions. It's essentially an endurance 1551 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,720 race that happens to have really, really fast cars. 1552 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,720 Well, and you and I love to watch the old races. 1553 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,960 And if you go back and watch races from the 70s, eighties, 1554 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,360 even the 90s, you know, every 25 laps it's like, oh, it blew an 1555 01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,720 engine, like, oh, it blew a gasket. 1556 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,200 Like, you know, it's, it's, it's one of my favorite things of all 1557 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,840 time is watching AJ Foy come in. This is like, you know, 84, like 1558 01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,720 back when people had and fire suits, those guys in jeans and 1559 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,720 overalls just coming out and like banging on the couch. 1560 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,720 But it's like, no, you're right. I mean, you used to have seven 1561 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,240 or eight cars that would just not finish the rate. 1562 01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,280 Not based on wrecks, just based on our car. 1563 01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,320 Couldn't make it. Yeah, so I it may be an 1564 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,000 unfixable issue, which whatever, but it it's unfortunate because 1565 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,680 it does feel like with some of the ex, the exodus of certain 1566 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,760 drivers and just the way that the series is gone, it's just it 1567 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,960 doesn't feel like that passionate of the month. 1568 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,160 There's people who disagree with that right now and that's fine. 1569 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,400 I'm just saying it, it feels to some degree like there needs to 1570 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,920 be a reset in some way, shape or form, either in the format or in 1571 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,400 something. So we'll see what happens. 1572 01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:26,000 But I agree, because I was thinking about it too. 1573 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,120 You have a field with you. You have a lot of a lot of 1574 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,000 former winners you have you know some really good young drivers 1575 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,480 like Pullo and paddle Award who haven't won yet and and normally 1576 01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:37,680 you know that the years that the the field hasn't been as 1577 01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,280 exciting as you don't have a lot of former you have a lot of 1578 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:41,760 winners here. So you have a lot of people who 1579 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,160 people know and they know their racing styles and they've won 1580 01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,440 and engaging fashions and so it's it is interesting but I'm 1581 01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:49,920 feeling the same thing just kind of like oh wow, it's coming up 1582 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,720 like and I'm just not as excited that that said I'll be going and 1583 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,320 and excited for the race because it's the race is always more 1584 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,200 than just the race it's it is a spectacle and a way to spend a 1585 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,360 great Sunday in May. On that note, we'll go ahead and 1586 01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,280 wrap up as we've kept you for 80 minutes. 1587 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,560 That's probably enough time we will be back. 1588 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,000 Scott's going to have AVIP video popping up a little bit later in 1589 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,640 the day. So if you're on the Crimson Cast 1590 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,400 sub stack on the VIP side, keep an eye out for that. 1591 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,080 We'll have some podcasts coming up later this week. 1592 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,800 We'll probably do like a full or at least some kind of actual 1593 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,920 preview of the race we can talk through. 1594 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,280 We'll do it. We'll do it later on this week 1595 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,240 and then we'll see what else goes on. 1596 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,120 I'll have some more college sports business stuff popping up 1597 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,280 later this week as well. So keep an eye out for that. 1598 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,520 And just a reminder, be sure to visit homefieldapparel.com, our 1599 01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,280 presenting sponsor. Be sure to check out the other 1600 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,400 podcast on the back home network, and be sure to have a 1601 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,720 good Memorial Day weekend. If we don't talk with you before 1602 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,840 then, although I promise it won't be us, it'll be you. 1603 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,760 So anyway, for Scott, I'm Galen. This is Crimson Cast. 1604 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,200 We'll catch you folks on the flip side. 1605 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,360 Thanks for joining us once again. 1606 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,880 Bring back the Bison song, everybody.