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Year. 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,480 So anyway, let's talk about football. 52 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Let's talk about bowl season. Not a lot of IU content in this, 53 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,240 although maybe a little bit at the end. 54 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,840 But I've. Seen a lot of commentary from 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,680 people about how bowl season and bowls in general are ruined. 56 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,320 You know how opt outs and and the transfer portal and all of 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,280 these other things have have ruined what people used to love 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,560 about bowl games. And I think it's fascinating 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,960 when this pops up, it popped up some. 60 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Last year it's really. Popped up this year and 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,720 obviously. This Georgia. 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,240 Florida State. Situation has been probably. 63 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,960 The most crystallizing item in people thinking about all of 64 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,640 this. And obviously there's more to 65 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,000 this than just opt. Outs. 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,880 There's, you know, clearly the. Situation with Florida State and 67 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,640 the College Football Playoff committee and a lot of people 68 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:18,600 have said, well look this is going to get fixed because of 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,240 the 12 team playoff coming and. First of all I. 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,160 I don't know if that's totally true, because I think that 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 that's just a Band-Aid on A. Much larger issue. 72 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,760 And I would say that when you talk about the college bowl 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,440 system. I think it's important to 74 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,240 understand. Why the college bowl system 75 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,640 exists and how? Bad It is, really. 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,800 In terms of how it's structured? How it's set up, Who benefits? 77 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Why it's there in the first? Place. 78 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,720 You know the bowl. System in college football has 79 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,920 always. Been a weird one. 80 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,160 You know, if you go back and look at the history. 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Of bowls they were. Largely created. 82 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Outside of the realm of the regular season and they've 83 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,360 always been set up that way and. Like most things in. 84 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,720 College football, I don't think people. 85 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Really understand how bowls. Work your bowls have. 86 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Essentially evolved into a. System that is a. 87 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,959 Hybrid of control of the bowl committees the. 88 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:21,079 Conferences, the television networks and this weird. 89 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:23,600 Cabal that's grown up. Around this idea? 90 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,320 That you know we're. Going to have a post season. 91 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,840 In FBS College football or Division 1A College football. 92 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,840 But it's not. Really going to count? 93 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,000 But it will. Count in some ways. 94 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:35,760 And. We're. 95 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,160 Essentially doing this. Not for the players. 96 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,200 Benefit. But for the benefit. 97 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,920 Of the schools for. The benefit of the. 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,560 Conferences for the benefit. Of the sponsors and the benefit 99 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,440 of the television networks who need content to show during 100 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,960 this. Time of year specifically. 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,000 ESPN Who really? Kind of enveloped the entire 102 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,240 bowl system about. 20 to 20. Five years ago. 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 And with a couple of exceptions, is essentially. 104 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,680 Responsible for the bowl. System. 105 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,920 As it currently exists. You know for the longest time. 106 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Bowls have. Been a weird. 107 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,480 Drain on financial? Resources for the schools. 108 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,240 That get into them. You know you are required and 109 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,440 there's a great book I. Would always I always recommend 110 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,720 this book even. Though the the. 111 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,480 Core subject matter is kind of out. 112 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Of date but if. You want to go back and read 113 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,120 about. This. 114 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,360 It was a book. Written by Dan Wetzel. 115 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:29,840 And there was somebody else on the book. 116 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:31,240 And I can't remember the other author's name was. 117 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Called death to the BCS this. Came out in like 2010, 2011 and 118 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,640 it was an assault on. The whole BCS system and what is 119 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,840 interesting. Is a go the. 120 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,520 The BCS did. Eventually die and was replaced 121 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,400 by the College Football Playoff. Which may not have actually. 122 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Been that good of an evolution, although it was a. 123 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Necessary kind of intermediate step, but the book. 124 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Takes a lot of. Time to really go in on how 125 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,360 like. Ludicrously silly, The bowl. 126 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,160 System is and you know how. You know to. 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,280 To a large degree. These bulls have. 128 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,920 Essentially grown up around creating money. 129 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,200 For everybody except the people who are. 130 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Participating in them and. You know Bulls? 131 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,000 Requiring thousands of tickets. To be purchased. 132 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,480 By athletic departments who then have to either turn around. 133 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,240 And sell those tickets to make that money back or just. 134 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,520 Take the loss. You know, you've got matchups 135 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,760 that really don't make a whole. Lot of. 136 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,480 Sense you've got it used to be a much. 137 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,240 Higher shelf as far. As who was going to be in the 138 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,040 conversation for The National? Title and then everybody. 139 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Kind of got shoved below. That and you ended up with some 140 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,920 really weird matchups where you'd have teams that went from. 141 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Being a national championship. Contender one day to Literally. 142 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,880 Being in the Alamo Bowl the next day, Shout out to K. 143 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,400 State. Among a couple of. 144 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,200 Others for that. It's always. 145 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Been a system that. Didn't make a lot of sense and 146 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,880 so much of that. Really. 147 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,760 Mirrors College. Football at the highest level. 148 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,840 It's a system that defies logic. In so many ways. 149 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,000 A lot of people. Defend the. 150 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 History of college football. They defend the pageantry and 151 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,120 the. The lack of organization 152 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,320 centrally is like. A. 153 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,680 A. A feature as opposed to a bug 154 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,800 like those. Things somehow justify the 155 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,800 complete lack of centralized organization or? 156 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,440 Evolution in terms of. How the game manages itself and 157 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,800 as I always. Like to talk about every other 158 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,360 sport? Essentially has figured. 159 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,000 Out a way to? Actually have a system. 160 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,600 Where a. Champion is named at the end 161 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,320 and. You feel good about that? 162 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,440 You know. The college basketball, which 163 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,640 is, you know? Clearly, very. 164 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Similar to college. Football in terms of. 165 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,520 It's the same schools and the same conferences in most. 166 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Cases has. Had a national championship. 167 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Since 1939. You know every other college 168 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,040 sport. Essentially has. 169 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,760 National championships. The NFL. 170 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Has a large playoff. System. 171 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,760 That feeds into a. Super Bowl, The NBA. 172 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Has a large playoff. System with. 173 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Multiple rounds and multiple. Games that feeds into a 174 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:07,880 championship. Series. 175 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,120 Same with the. NHL the English. 176 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Premier League doesn't have. A playoff, but it has a full. 177 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,160 Round Robin 30. Eight game schedule and the team 178 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,880 that has the most points at the end of that season wins the. 179 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Title the Champions League in. Europe has a a very intricate 180 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,440 series of games and playoff rounds. 181 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,039 That lead into a decisive game. Where a champion is. 182 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,919 Crowned even in college. Football FCS. 183 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,919 Which is the old. One AA has a 24 team playoff. 184 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,320 And has had a playoff in one format of the. 185 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Since the late 1970s, the idea. That all of these. 186 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,280 Sports and. Even the same. 187 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Sport at Slightly Different. Levels. 188 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Have been able to. Figure out how to. 189 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Have a meaningful finish to the. Season that doesn't. 190 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,600 Rely on a bunch of glorified exhibition games or a an ill 191 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,760 advised, often times committee making decisions about who. 192 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,480 Should be placed into a. Playoff that you know. 193 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Doesn't even represent 5%. Of the teams that are 194 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,400 participating. In the sport at the time. 195 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,240 I guess maybe slightly. More than 5%. 196 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,480 I mean that's that. To me is ludicrous. 197 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,640 And that to me is is one of the main issues at the. 198 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,800 Core of the. Problem with college football? 199 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,080 Why is it like that? We know why. 200 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Have we seen college? Football not evolve. 201 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:30,960 The the way that all these other. 202 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,680 Sports and the same. Sport at Different. 203 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:37,360 Levels of college have evolved. And it's really the same answer. 204 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,440 That you would have when you look at why the bowl. 205 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,640 System. Is broken and it's. 206 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,000 Greed. It's greed on the part of the. 207 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,840 Schools and the conferences. It's greed on the part of the 208 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,840 television networks. It's greed on the. 209 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,520 Part of the coaches. You know these are the. 210 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,960 People who have. Created the problems over time. 211 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,880 And, you know, ultimately. It is the schools. 212 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,760 And the conferences that are to blame. 213 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,960 Because it would have. Been made so much. 214 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Sense at some point. For this group of. 215 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,960 Schools and conferences. Who were at the top of college 216 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,000 football to get together? And acknowledge this is the 217 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,960 business. That we're in. 218 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,840 We're in the business of college football, which is. 219 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,320 More financially lucrative? And powerful than most. 220 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Professional sports leagues in countries around the world. 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,800 To get together and say. This is our business. 222 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,400 Our business generates. Hundreds of millions of. 223 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,600 Dollars a year. Billions of dollars a year. 224 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,480 We need to acknowledge that we need to. 225 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,560 Figure out steps. To bring the people. 226 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,560 That are actually. Having the games happen. 227 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,960 Which is the players? Into the mix and have them be a 228 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,080 part of this from a financial perspective. 229 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Not just because it's the right. Thing to do. 230 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,800 But it's because. That's how sports work. 231 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,320 Almost everywhere. Else in the world. 232 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,520 Instead, what we've. Seen over and over again are 233 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,160 these bad faith arguments about why we don't have that? 234 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,440 Type of a system. And so many of these things that 235 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,880 should have. Expired a long time. 236 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Ago the the way the bowl system is set up, the way the teams are 237 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,080 selected. The the lack of. 238 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,280 Compensation for athletes. All of these things, these. 239 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Have been held on. To because it. 240 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,640 Is financially expedient not because it makes sense, not 241 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,280 because it actually matches what goes. 242 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,280 On out there. You know the. 243 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,560 Idea that. You know there's. 244 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,680 Some kind of academic? Component to this is. 245 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:31,800 Is nuts. You know, there, you see? 246 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,640 This as an argument. Made in terms of, well, you know 247 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,000 we can't have a playoff. System that goes X amount. 248 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,800 Of time because that would interfere with classes and it's 249 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,280 like. What are you talking about? 250 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,200 You've. Already got a playoff? 251 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,320 System that for the two teams that go to the championship 252 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,840 game, extends into the next. Semester you've already got. 253 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,680 Teams playing games, you know, at times and on travel schedules 254 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:59,120 that make zero sense for anything academic. 255 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:04,640 I mean it's it is such immense. Hypocrisy by the people that are 256 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,320 running college football in. Particular about why? 257 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,720 We still have these systems that we have and it's. 258 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Fascinating, because what's eroded this finally I think in 259 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,000 the. Eyes of of the. 260 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,800 The people of the. Fans of the people. 261 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,960 That are observers of. College football has been the 262 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,240 fact that you. Finally started to see. 263 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:26,040 The court system allowing college athletes to. 264 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,080 Have the rights that they should. 265 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,080 Have had all along. But were denied for no other. 266 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,040 Reason than the NCAA said. We don't have to. 267 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,440 Do this and therefore. We're not. 268 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,040 Going to do this. When people complain about. 269 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,320 Players opting out or players not. 270 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Participating in bowl games because. 271 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,680 They're in the Transfer portal well. 272 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,480 That's an easily. Fixable problem. 273 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,840 The Transfer portal. Yeah, I always think it's kind 274 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,880 of hilarious when you hear that talked. 275 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,200 About like it's a mystical thing. 276 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,880 When you've got college. Students who aren't athletes. 277 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,160 Many of whom are on scholarship in one form or another. 278 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,680 Freely moving from. College to College and 279 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,480 University to University. On their own. 280 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,680 Schedules, you know, leaving. One school at the end of the 281 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,240 semester. And going to another last I 282 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,000 checked. A. 283 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,040 Student leaving Indiana University and going to. 284 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,520 School at say, USC. Didn't have to sit out a 285 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,760 semester. Before they could start. 286 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,720 Taking classes yet? That's been the mentality. 287 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,160 That we've. Built around a lot of what's 288 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,280 going on in college football and now that athletes have the 289 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,320 ability. To move to find different 290 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,640 locations to. Perhaps find better. 291 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,040 Situations for themselves. It's no wonder that. 292 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,800 You would see players. Say, well, I'm not going to 293 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,520 stick around for a bowl game. Wall A spot. 294 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,960 That might be available to me at a school that I. 295 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,760 Want to go? To gets filled by somebody else? 296 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,480 No, I'm going to go take that myself. 297 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,840 It's hard to criticize players. At least I think it's hard to 298 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,800 criticize players for. Opting out of bowl. 299 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Games that mean essentially nothing to them. 300 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,840 Aren't even really considered. Part of the same season when 301 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,520 you've got coaches jumping ship immediately. 302 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,040 And I say that. You know, knowing full. 303 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,080 Well, that Indiana. Has just benefited from a coach 304 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,200 leaving his team and coming here to. 305 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Indiana. You know, while his team was. 306 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Getting ready to play in a bowl game? 307 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,360 It's. Part of the system. 308 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,800 You know. Coaches get a small. 309 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,960 Amount of criticism. For that. 310 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,960 And then they just move along with what they do, players in 311 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,680 general. Get killed for. 312 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,360 That in the media. Get killed for that. 313 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,960 Among fans, it's like, well, how could you leave your teammates 314 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,240 that way? It's like because there's. 315 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,360 There's literally no. Incentive to stick around. 316 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,240 In fact, there's a disincentive, a pretty significant one. 317 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,800 The way to fix all of this it's pretty straightforward, but it. 318 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,120 Requires a fundamental. Change in the way. 319 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,680 That we think. About how college football at 320 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,480 the highest level is dealt with. It requires acknowledging that. 321 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,080 You are in the business of professional sports. 322 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Because that's what college football is, and that's what. 323 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,040 It's been for. A long, long time. 324 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Schools and conferences and commissioners. 325 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,760 And athletic directors and. Presidents have. 326 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:05,160 To realize that we we all in. Whether you're in media, whether 327 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,120 you're in academia and you've been paying attention. 328 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Whether you're a fan. Whether you're an athlete. 329 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,360 Everybody sees behind the. Veil at this point. 330 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,440 All of these arguments, All of these. 331 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,440 Often disingenuous arguments about. 332 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,960 Why the? System is the way that it. 333 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Is are. Purely financial in nature. 334 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,320 There's lip service. Given to education. 335 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,240 There's lip service given to a bunch of different. 336 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,240 Things. Those are all. 337 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,600 Essentially just barriers placed up to try to hide. 338 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Behind. When the real aspects. 339 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,320 To all of this. Is money needs to be made. 340 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Popularity needs to be had. Alumni need. 341 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,040 To be serviced and that's why we. 342 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,080 Keep the system. That we currently have. 343 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,080 And when you look. At the Bulls. 344 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,720 Would you look at? Player transfer rules Which? 345 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Just had to be threatened in court. 346 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,600 Multiple. Times before the NCAA, finally. 347 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,480 Threw their hands up. And said yes. 348 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,840 Even if you've transferred once, you can transfer again. 349 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,080 Without penalty because there's no legal. 350 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,440 Basis. For any. 351 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,960 Of this to. Be the way that it is. 352 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,680 It's all been about. Trying to protect. 353 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,680 As much of the financial egg as the NC. 354 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,200 AA's member. Schools can and it's not even an 355 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,720 NCAA thing. This is one of the things that I 356 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,240 think is fascinating. People blame the NCAA for a lot 357 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,960 of these. Problems the NC. 358 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,520 AA doesn't control. Football. 359 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,600 The NCAA has Never. Controlled college, football, 360 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,440 college. Football has been controlled. 361 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,160 By conferences, by athletic. Directors. 362 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,480 And to a. Smaller degree by coaches. 363 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,600 These are the people. That have benefited the most 364 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,080 from the system and these are the people who. 365 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,240 Have tried to put? Up as many. 366 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Barricades as possible to. Keeping. 367 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,000 Others whether it's other schools. 368 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,000 That are on the outside of the inner circle. 369 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,000 Or whether it's athletes. From being able to benefit from 370 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,800 the system. So you want to fix bowl season? 371 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,640 I don't think fixing bowl season makes a lot of sense. 372 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,200 Because bowl season itself. We have a lot of nostalgia for. 373 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,000 But bowl season? Is an outgrowth of. 374 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,520 A. System that was built. 375 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,000 In order to maintain financial hegemony by the. 376 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,359 Schools and the conferences. Over this. 377 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,520 System it's not really. Compatible with a reality where? 378 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,119 Athletes are. Playing in a professional. 379 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,040 Sports environment, Which again? Is what we're dealing with. 380 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,800 With high level college football so. 381 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,599 The solution is. Pretty straightforward, you know 382 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,079 you. You need to. 383 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,520 Actually have collective. Bargaining between schools. 384 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,880 Conferences and the players. You need to stop restraining. 385 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,080 Movement. You need to instead. 386 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,920 Create a. System where you acknowledge. 387 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,120 That yes, these are athletes. They are employees. 388 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,280 They yes, they can be students as well, but there's no reason 389 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,920 why they can't be both. There's no there's nothing that 390 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,000 says that you can't be both. There are. 391 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,800 Hundreds of thousands of college students across the United. 392 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,080 States that also work. While also being students. 393 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,000 There's, there's literally. Nothing that says that you can't 394 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 have both at the same time. The only thing is a. 395 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,120 Grand desire on the part of the schools and the conferences to 396 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:02,920 not. Have that be. 397 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,920 The case because. Having it be the case means 398 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,040 that. You have to collectively. 399 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,320 Bargain with that group of. People just like the NFL. 400 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,560 Does with its players. Just like the NBA. 401 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,800 Does with its players be realistic about the system, Be 402 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,840 realistic about how it? Has to be structured. 403 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,040 And understand that ultimately. You're going to. 404 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,520 Help college football. In the long run by finally 405 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,000 making. A course correction and saying 406 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,360 we have to go in a direction that's. 407 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,840 Realistic because the courts are no longer. 408 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Going to support. All of these, you know. 409 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,480 Poor faith arguments. That we've made over the course 410 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,400 of. Time about why college football 411 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,360 players shouldn't be. Sharing in the immense. 412 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:46,840 Amounts of revenue. That are being generated by the 413 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,440 games. That they themselves are playing 414 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,120 in and that includes these bowl. Games. 415 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Maybe it's not. Bowl. 416 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Games in the way that we're used to seeing them if, if, FCS. 417 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,080 Can have a 20. 14. Playoff There's no reason. 418 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,040 Why you? Couldn't have a 2014 playoff in 419 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,160 FBS. You could name those playoff 420 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 games after those bowl games. You could have the same 421 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,880 sponsors, you could have them be in some cases in similar 422 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,720 locations, or you could just move them to the sites. 423 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,200 Where the team that has the higher record or better record. 424 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,120 Is hosting them. There's a myriad of ways that. 425 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,320 This could be done. You could still even have the 426 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,240 occasional non playoff bowl game. 427 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,920 I think that that would actually be really cool. 428 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,760 But you have. To have a contract. 429 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,200 With the athletes that are playing. 430 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,520 You have to build. That into the system. 431 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,720 You have to. Compensate the athletes. 432 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,720 For what they're doing. And you have to. 433 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Build the bowls. And the playoffs into that, not 434 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,320 treat. Them like there's something 435 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,800 extra, not part of the regular. Season. 436 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,480 This isn't an nil thing. This has really nothing to do 437 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,400 with nil. For those of you who are like 438 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,080 well. Why can't nil money go towards? 439 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,240 This. You know you could. 440 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,640 Certainly as an athlete, make money through nil. 441 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,880 If you're appearing in a playoff. 442 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,800 Game or a bowl game, but. Your money shouldn't be. 443 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,240 Tied to. Whether or not you're. 444 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,440 In that bowl game, unless it's set that way from the beginning, 445 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,480 not a situation where you're just. 446 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,720 Going to have. Money taken from one thing that 447 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,600 it was intended for and held. Over on the off. 448 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,240 Chance that you're in a. Bowl and you have. 449 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,080 To participate or in a playoff game, and you have to. 450 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,680 Participate. You also have to look at the 451 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,400 stamp from the standpoint of look. 452 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,240 You. Are dealing with academic 453 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,080 calendars in terms of player movement, so maybe we need to. 454 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,680 Look at the size of the schedule. 455 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,120 Maybe we need to look at the start dates of the schedule. 456 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,760 Maybe you need to? Start the schedule. 457 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,160 In mid. August as opposed to. 458 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,520 Starting it essentially at the beginning of September, that 459 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,600 might sound. Unusual, but I always always. 460 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Like to note to people. Northwestern is on the quarter 461 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,760 system. They don't start. 462 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,400 Classes until. The 3rd or 4th. 463 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Week of. September by that point often. 464 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,880 Times they played four. Football games, you know. 465 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,560 The, the, the old, we have to keep the schedule to this 466 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,080 particular. Amount of time doesn't really 467 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,000 hold a lot of water as far as I'm concerned. 468 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,280 So. Look the. 469 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Ultimately, you can't save bowl season. 470 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,840 The way that it's currently set up. 471 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,040 It's not. Compatible with how? 472 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,840 The legal. System is finally. 473 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,880 Starting to view college football players? 474 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560 It's not. Compatible with the financial. 475 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Realities that are out. There in terms. 476 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Of how college football actually works and at the end. 477 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Of the day, there's a moral obligation, I think, on the part 478 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,680 of. Colleges and universities. 479 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,040 To finally come clean and say look. 480 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,440 We get a lot. Out of college football. 481 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,840 More than any other sport, we we make money, obviously, off of 482 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,800 the the television. Inventory that we sell, the 483 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,720 games that we play. We make money off of the 484 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,760 donations that. Pour in from alumni. 485 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,120 Based upon us having a. Good college football. 486 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,640 Program we make money. Off of the. 487 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040 Increase in applications that we get from having. 488 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,120 A good football program. We make money indirectly. 489 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,560 By the, the, the. Millions, sometimes billions of. 490 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480 Dollars worth of free. Advertising we get from our team 491 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,240 teams being good throughout the course of the year. 492 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Colleges and universities have to re center this model. 493 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,200 To something that's actually. Fair. 494 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,520 That's what's going to restore. The postseason. 495 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,440 Whatever it is, whether. It's a playoff. 496 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,280 Whether it's a bowl. System whether. 497 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,640 It's some combination. Of all of. 498 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,160 Those things. That's what restores it. 499 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,960 Not half measures and not trying to. 500 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Act like the. System that was. 501 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Created essentially 8090 years ago. 502 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,640 Is somehow still. Going to be valid and relevant 503 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,880 as we move forward here. You know and continue. 504 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,520 On into the 21st century, So anyway. 505 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,880 Would. Love to hear some comments from 506 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,280 all of you. I know that not everybody is 507 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,960 going to agree with with all of. That, or maybe even most of it, 508 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,000 but. You know, I've studied college. 509 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,360 Sports for for 20 plus years. You know, I've, I've, I've 510 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,480 looked at all the. Arguments so much of the. 511 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,320 Problems that you see right now in. 512 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,440 Terms of college athletics. And college football in 513 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,000 particular really lie fundamentally at. 514 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,120 The people in charge. Refusing to actually come clean 515 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,080 and. Say what is actually? 516 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Going on and. Come up with realistic answers 517 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,920 for how to. Fix that and I you know I I more 518 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,480 and more. You do see people out there who? 519 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,000 Are in college athletics, who I think do realize it and are 520 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,480 trying to make changes. But there's a lot. 521 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,320 Of people. That are still. 522 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,320 Standing in the. Way of those. 523 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,680 Changes and until we see those changes actually made either. 524 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,880 Made internally by college. Sports or. 525 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,200 Forced upon college sports. By the the legal. 526 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600 System and the. Judiciary, I think. 527 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,920 We're going to continue to see. The. 528 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,360 Irrelevance of the bowl season continue to grow. 529 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,240 Because at the end of the day, the old argument that you owe 530 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,720 your teammates or that this. Is a memory that you're going to 531 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,160 have for the rest of your life. It's it just. 532 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,160 Doesn't hold water. For players, especially good. 533 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,000 Players and it shouldn't. Because at. 534 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,760 The end of it all they may be. Getting the memories, but the. 535 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,400 Schools and the coaches are getting the money and that does. 536 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,040 Matter whether or not. A fan or a? 537 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Journalist or an observer from the outside wants it to matter 538 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,400 or not. It would matter to you if you 539 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,600 were in a similar situation, and I think that's an important 540 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,600 thing for everybody. To remember anyway. 541 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,440 That'll wrap it up for this, I hope. 542 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,640 You all have. A wonderful new year. 543 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,440 And. We'll look. 544 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Forward to chatting. With you. 545 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480 More in the future Indiana men's basketball. 546 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,360 Starting Big 10 season. Soon, Indiana women's 547 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,000 basketball. Big win today over Illinois. 548 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,160 So much to look forward to with IU. 549 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Athletics and we'll look. Forward to chatting with you 550 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,000 about it. I'm Galen Clavio. 551 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,440 Thanks for joining me. Catch you? 552 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,480 Folks, on the flip side, bring back the Bison. 553 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,160 So everybody.