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Folks welcome back to Crimson 

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cast or kill it at this week, 
tons by Galen couple by me when 

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with gaalan and myself together.
Forget to Tony excited to talk 

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to Tony and Ronnie about this 
Purdue becoming it's pretty 

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weak. 
We gotta have a ton of podcast. 

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They have a can't believe we did

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that. 
They just had a cool. 

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I you refresh, I just got a new 
pennant. 

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We talked about shirts and 
sweatshirts, they have Hers, I 

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put one on my mug, Indiana 
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So it's now my Indiana Yeti mug,
it's great, drink it with 

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coffee. 
I'll be coming down with that 

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tomorrow day tomorrow, in the 
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car, but I'm looking at it right
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I have my bison pennant, which I
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here in a little bit. 
It's great. 

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Indiana pennant. 
Felt it has that retro look, but

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it's fantastic. 
So not just sweatshirts and 

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t-shirts, pennants and stickers.
Full Indiana refresh, tons of 

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But wow, You want to do that 

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and just put it up in your room.
Anyway now let's talk to Tony as

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we get ready for more IU /. 
Do preview talk All right, Tony,

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it's great to have you on Manus 
Purdue week, fired up. 

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You're gonna be down there for 
the game. 

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Will be at the game together of 
give me your. 

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We've been kind of doing this 
Galen talk to Chronic about it. 

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What's your favorite IU Purdue 
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Oh man, put me on the spot. 
You know, it's one of my 

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favorites was like the first 
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my seen my junior or senior year
college Purdue was bad. 

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Bad and I use really good. 
And I think we beat them by 37. 

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And I created a meme of. 
Matt Painter is like oh crap, we

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got to go down 37 twice in a 
year or something like that. 

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I thought I was witty. 
So that was fun to just beat the

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absolute are out of them. 
One of my favorites was actually

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a loss, it was really like, when
I got super into IU basketball, 

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like I grew up in IU, basketball
fan but my freshman year of 

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college, Was cream second year 
Purdue was top five in the 

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country. 
It was my first game. 

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I went to as a student. 
I didn't get season tickets. 

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My freshman year mainly cuz I 
didn't know I can add them to my

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Bursar when I should have. 
That's a rookie move, rookie 

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mistakes. 
And I'll probably never did it 

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again. 
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But you know, I use really bad 
but Purdue was top five and it 

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came down to a last shot. 
I you missed it but it was kind 

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of like all right, like I can 
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Like this is fun. 
You know, have ton of fun in the

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student section and that was 
kind of like my welcome to like 

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true IU basketball fandom there.
So that's one that stands out in

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my mind and then I mean honestly
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You know, beating him on a kind 
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kid from you know, Lafayette was
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So my memories pride in our 
priorities as good as yours. 

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But you know, that's that's 
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And I just gave you three so I 
guess No, I did this with gaalan

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so I don't want to recap it too 
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I love seeing Glenn Robinson 
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but honestly, I was saying last 
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my top three as well. 
And it's it's something that, 

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you know, we've talked about 
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hatred is there is between IU 
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Rivalry is that the games have 
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Like it's just the teams haven't
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And unfortunately through most 
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been whenever I you it's exactly
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was too. 
Up five, and that year Indiana 

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was 194th and Ken. 
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but screen second year, a lot of
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it's been kind of that way. 
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under crean Purdue was bad. 
And it's like, we haven't rarely

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have we synced up, you know, 
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know, late 80s, early 90s. 
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and Katie had it going and those
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But it feels like this is really
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where it does feel like the next
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some runs where Purdue's going 
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Indiana is going to be good and 
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back on that kind of footing. 
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If we can start protecting home 
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we got one against them. 
We got a big one this weekend. 

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I'm curious. 
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different ways to attack this 
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were talking about it. 
Our takeaway was kind of that, 

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you know, Edie and Jackson Davis
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and then Then it's going to 
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I'm curious your take on how you
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Indiana Purdue matchup for what 
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Yeah, I mean, it's at the end of
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goofy to say, you know, with to 
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and college basketball right now
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that's what it comes down to. 
And, you know, Purdue has two 

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freshmen guards. 
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unflappable, you know, you hope.
That this, you know, that this 

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is an environment they have not 
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experienced Road Big, Ten 
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And, you know, the one time they
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hostility was at Rutgers and 
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So you would hope that, you 
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experience playing and this 
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guards are freshmen having 
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before. 
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those. 
Those did seem unflappable, you 

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know, they're they're tough and 
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country for a reason. 
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think Edie and Jackson Davis, 
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know, that being the team's two 
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really just going to come down 
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guard those guys? 
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the others do? 
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doubles are going to come in 
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You just got to say All right, 
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last night and assembly call? 
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Mike Woodson noted against 
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stuck and Indiana's often 
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So if their post doubles on TJ D
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guys but it's got to be find 
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hand the feet gotta be ready to 
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Miller cop, shoot the damn 
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Yeah but quit passing a wide 
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Three pointers to take a one 
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And so yeah it's it's really 
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I'm super excited. 
I mean, it's a great opportunity

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for Indiana to kind of exhale a 
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season has been an up-and-down 
ride and you know looking at 

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this game in November you 
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be the favorite and that's not 
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And so a great opportunity in 
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one of those games you can 
already, kind of feel the buzz 

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here. 
Like in Indianapolis like it's 

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just like, you know, I've got 
some co-workers on either side 

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of me that are pretty you guys 
and you know, we've just kind of

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been like going back and forth 
and it's like one of those 

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things where like you're kind of
trying to be nice about the 

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other team, but you're also 
like, hey, we want to beat you. 

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So yeah. 
It's just fun. 

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It's exciting. 
No no. 

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I can. 
You can feel the buzz in India. 

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It's and I'm super excited to 
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tomorrow. 
It's funny. 

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You mentioned that it's like 
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I got to say I was dead wrong 
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Like I looked at, you know, 
they're lost to Saint Peter's 

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last year. 
I was like, damn. 

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That was devastating. 
I wasn't sure they'd be able to 

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get off the mat. 
I was like, that's a young team.

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It's based around ET, like he's 
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know, he is become really good 
like it's I don't want to sit 

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here and praise Purdue, but I 
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Like it's too easy. 
I got a guy 74. 

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Like he's you know huge like 
he's unbelievably good with his 

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footwork with how he gets rid of
the ball, you know? 

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Uh Why is this a little bit 
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You know what have you seen him 
do differently this year versus 

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last year? 
That has allowed them to be as 

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good as they are? 
To be honestly getting more 

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minutes. 
You know, he was he was a 

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dominant Force last year when 
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metrics. 
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laughing, Purdue put a graphic 
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maybe after last season of like 
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eating and Shaq the only two 
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That had these numbers that were
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Feast ever seen. 
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but he's only playing 20 
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Well, now he's playing a lot of 
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And his dominance is, you know, 
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know I mentioned it. 
I think I might have mentioned 

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it to you on the last pot is I 
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Loyalty that treyvion last year 
could have cost him a national 

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championship. 
And it's so weird to say because

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treyvion is so good. 
And so, Painter was loyal to him

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and played him because he was 
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at night but Zaki is a dominant 
force that we have not seen the 

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likes of in college basketball 
and a long time and as you 

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mentioned guys, got great feet, 
he's got great touch, he can go 

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over both shoulders, he passes 
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shape, he gets up and down the 
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Like, the guy is the runaway 
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a reason. 
He's a very, very good 

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basketball player. 
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touched on yesterday. 
He's like somebody in the NBA is

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going to take flyer out on him 
and the probably gonna be pretty

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happy that they do just based on
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Now, he's not, is he gonna be 
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and all that very well, no. 
But he's so big man. 

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He's just, he's hard to stop and
I'll say this. 

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Matt Painter has done a great 
job of building a system around 

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him. 
Yeah. 

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Did you go to the game last year
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I did not. 
I watched it for my house so I 

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will say for you And others who 
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Not bragging, but just, if you 
haven't seen Ed in person, I 

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cannot wait to talk to you at 
halftime of the game. 

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It's unreal. 
How big he is in person? 

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It's like, we know a guy 74, 
like, we're aware that like his 

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big, dude, when you see it in 
person, you're just like, oh my 

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God, like it is, it is 
mind-boggling. 

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Just like when I go to NBA 
games, and I'll see like, you 

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know, yanis for Kevin Durant, 
it's like what it's just like 

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theirs so long, this is like 
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bigger and then bring it to 
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It is, it's mind-boggling how 
big the dude is when you see him

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in person? 
Yeah, I I did get the chance to 

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see him at the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

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Okay. 
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It felt. 
Similarly, you know, it's like 

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how do you and how do you stop 
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Like because you know 
everybody's like you just got to

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push him out early. 
Do your work early? 

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It's like he is so big that 
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that has the muscle to just move
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And that's what's hard about him
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him is that, you know, it's not 
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and planning some on the Block 
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they run action after action. 
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screens spinning ceiling. 
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run great actions to get him the
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get them and they're hard to 
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Because if you try to stop that 
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lawyer coming off, his down, 
screen wide open, he's knocking 

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down shots at a good clip. 
So they're tough man. 

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Yeah. 
No, it's very true. 

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You mentioned no be able to move
them. 

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Who do you think guards, et 
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Like I'm talking to her friend 
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a tough question. 
I think I'm a I think I know the

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answer but I've yet. 
What do you think? 

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Yeah, I think you start tjd on 
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because he's big. 
He's the biggest guy I use got. 

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I do think that if he picks up 
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put race on him. 
I think believer. 

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New has the size to guard him, 
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minutes. 
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hard to expect much out of him 
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you know, the likes of Maryland 
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do against this 7-foot for 
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So you know, I think they'll 
switch it up. 

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I think the very and that's what
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call, guys was you know, theirs.
There's a lot of different ways 

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to guards a key and I think 
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I think the second he gets 
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teams coming from the middle or 
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post feed or I'm going to I got 
single coverage. 

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The second he's comfortable. 
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but if he doesn't really know 
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coming from, I think that's when
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of get him out of a rhythm and a
flow and that's when Indiana can

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have opportunities to stop him. 
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just kept her on the team just 
as present. 

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Stopping played great against 
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See, I think the guy you didn't 
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start with race on them is is 
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Davis is probably the best guy 
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But similar, to what we're doing
with hood, should be no words 

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like rat. 
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can ask Jackson Davis do, is 
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well. 
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you put him on edu put Jackson 
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It's like you're you're probably
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on. 
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foul for Jackson. 
Davis for no reason and then he 

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got to go to race and then, 
yeah. 

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You're right. 
Like, for physically and, you 

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know, athletically Malik renew 
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But garment, right? 
If he ET it's like this this 

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horrible combination of renews 
fouling it. 

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Probably the highest rate in the
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fouling at all. 
It's amazing how he's able to 

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phallic 1.8 fouls, per 40 
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being 7-foot for he liked his 
foul rate. 

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It's like him and like a bunch 
of minimally. 

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Use point, guards around the 
country. 

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Top, 5 and fowleri, it's 
unbelievable. 

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But this is what worries me for 
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Is you have Ray stops, who still
coming back off of injury. 

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You don't want to get Jackson, 
Davis and foul trouble. 

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And I just it'd be great to see 
renew play, and, but it's like, 

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I think renew plays them and 
gets 5000, you know, 12 minutes.

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And then you're like, all right,
who plays him, like, you know, 

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Jordan Geronimo. 
Yes. 

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But like, is he healthy? 
Is he going to be able to play 

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that? 
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thin real quick and I do agree 
the guard. 

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You're going to be an issue to 
you. 

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Look at that but it's like I do 
look at I'm not sure. 

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We're as deep as maybe we feel 
like we are. 

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If we start fouling at the rate 
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problem where it's like I just 
don't know who guards idiot. 

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Maybe it ends up being like you 
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Logan Duncan who comes in and 
has a game like der or Kayla 

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Banks and like honestly it's 
like that's kind of what dirted 

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last year like dirt and do much 
all year and then came in and 

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played like 20, unbelievably 
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even in that game that's when 
Peter was doing the Ed treyvion 

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Williams saying, it's like, he 
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thing is he's playing like 40 
minutes a game. 

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Like he's just, he's playing a 
ton. 

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Yeah. 
And, you know, the best thing 

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the best team that I've seen 
kind of guard, ET was Rutgers 

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and then, you know, Michigan 
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it was a one-point game. 
They scored 64 points going into

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that last possession. 
Like, is that what you just rely

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on? 
Like hey maybe he misses a 

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couple you know another big 
thing with him is that he's his 

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offensive rebounding. 
Percentage is 22% number one in 

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the country. 
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So like you got a box him out 
like you know the possessions 

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not finished if Fletcher lawyer 
shoots it or Braden Smith shoots

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like the dude gets a ton of 
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that is because how teams 
Garden, you know, they'll put 

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their big guy and kind of 
three-quarter front. 

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Well, then when the shot goes 
up, Jackie, Dee's got a quick 

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turn and seal and he's got an 
offensive rebound for a dunk. 

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So like that's part of the 
strategy to is like, you just 

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play behind them, hope he misses
some shots. 

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And absolutely every time I shot
goes up, just box him out and 

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you know, that's That's a 
strategy that teams look at. 

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So the dude is you know, I've 
watched every single offensive 

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clip of his. 
It'll be an IU film room later 

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of just some of this actions in 
ways that you can guard him. 

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But you know, it's like nobody's
had the magic formula. 

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And that's the way these are 
very smart basketball Minds that

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haven't figured him out. 
Really. 

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And here's the thing that I want
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defensively. 
I think we have Have a really 

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good team to defend eating. 
We have the players, the issue 

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is we haven't been able to and I
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like the calls are kind of going
against this and others like 

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talk about, you know, what's and
work on the rescue hard. 

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All that said, you do the film 
room, you see it? 

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I see it, too. 
Like we foul a lot. 

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Like we can talk about the rest,
like there is some stuff there, 

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but it's like on the flips end, 
we foul a lot and a lot of them 

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are just dumb fouls. 
We're guys, as I see it, guys 

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are in the wrong position on 
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Then making a dumb foul. 
I'm curious you, as you see 

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that, have you seen that getting
better throughout the year? 

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Is that something that is still 
kind of about the same? 

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Like, and that's, that's the 
troubling part with this team is

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like, I think this team has the 
pieces to defend eating very 

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well, but it's, like, I can't 
trust that we're going to be 

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able to do it without fouling. 
And then now, you got guys on 

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the bench and now we don't have 
the pieces, we need, but it 

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seems to be, that's been our 
issue. 

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All season is we're in the wrong
spots defensively, and then we 

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Make stupid fouls to compound 
it. 

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Absolutely. 
But about a half step slow and 

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it it ruins, everything it real.
I mean, that's, that's Malik. 

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Renews problem is his feet. 
Get a little Tangled and he's 

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half step slow. 
And then his first thing you 

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want to do is put two hands on a
guy to keep him in front of them

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and that's yeah. 
In automatic ding like that's 

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that's the number one thing 
that's going to get you a Falco 

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every single time as two hands 
on a guy's hips and that's 

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that's been renewed. 
Problem. 

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Leaving your feet like Galloway 
has a big issue with just 

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leaving his feet a lot. 
And then gets himself in the air

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and gets himself in trouble 
because Galloway's were big big 

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piece tomorrow and he's been in 
foul trouble, a couple games 

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recently that he just can't 
afford to be in because he's 

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gonna be somebody that's going 
to have to shut down their 

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guards. 
I thought he'd had, I mean, he 

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was a difference-maker last year
against IV. 

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He, you know, he knew it flavor 
gum. 

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IV was chewing, he was in his 
stuff, he had IV flustered, you 

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know, he's a big piece of the 
puzzle tomorrow and he's been a 

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guy that's got in foul trouble 
when I thought against me. 

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When he was really one of the 
only guards that even showed up 

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in. 
So, you know, that's somebody 

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else that they got to figure it 
out. 

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So have they figured out the 
fouling not really, in my 

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opinion, you know, game to game 
it fluctuates and, and, you 

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know, and like you said, 
Indiana's got the length and 

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athleticism to be a very, very 
good defensive team. 

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But yeah, just, you know, once I
start mixing guys in and Off the

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Bench and stuff and now they've 
To use some lineups. 

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They haven't really used all 
season with Kayla Banks. 

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Coming into the mix and CJ gun 
comes in sometimes like just not

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a lot of flow. 
You Know, Tamar Bates is 

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somebody that gets it lost a lot
on the defensive end and you 

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know that with one guys lost it 
throws off the other four. 

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And that's the big thing. 
And that's another thing with, 

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you know, you've got Trace 
Jackson, Davis. 

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That's kind of your rim 
protector down low. 

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You don't want to get him in 
foul trouble because you can't 

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keep your guy in front of you 
and now he's jumping to block 

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shots or there's a I'm off to 
ET. 

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There's just yeah, you got to be
one well-oiled machine everybody

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on the same page on the 
defensive end especially when 

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you're trying to stop somebody. 
Like Purdue who's very, very 

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good offensively. 
Yeah. 

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I mean this is something Gail 
and I talked about so I hate to 

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recache it. 
But I think it's just a very 

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valid point like this this game 
against Purdue just highlights 

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the difference between where 
Indiana is and where Purdue is 

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at in that you look at a guy 
like you know tomorrow Bates, 

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you know, like I'm just going to
go through the last Six games of

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his offensive rating, you know, 
60 against Maryland 123 against 

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Ohio State 0 against Minnesota, 
187 against Michigan State, 0 

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against Illinois, 0 against 
Wisconsin versus like, you know,

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Fletcher lawyer, his offensive 
rating in the last couple games,

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85 104, 123 10 to 80 to 140 41, 
42. 

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It's like, I think, No, not 
good. 

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I Think You Know, Tamar Bates is
probably more athletic than 

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Fletcher, lawyer and maybe has a
obviously, a high, maybe a 

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higher ceiling. 
But like, Purdue is just locked 

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into this. 
Like, when guys are even off its

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like he still had Fletcher, 
Laura still has it offensive 

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rating of, you know, 80s to 90s.
And then when he's good it's 

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like 100. 
Plus where's Tamar Bates? 

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Not picking on him. 
It's just like it is this roller

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coaster when he's great it's 
like insane. 

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Like Michigan State 546 from 
three and you almost Swish like 

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it doesn't work this way. 
It's like you could like Bank 

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some of that like just save 20 
points of that offense and 

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braiding for Michigan State. 
Let's bring back to the Maryland

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game and it's just that kind of 
inconsistency and it's what's 

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fun and frustrating about this 
IU team is their ceiling. 

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I mean, they're sealing when 
they are playing on all 

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cylinders. 
It could be higher than Purdue 

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like it's wild to say. 
But like they are unbelievably 

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when they're all. 
Shooting together, it just 

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doesn't happen enough and it's 
like rarely, does it happen 

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where his Purdue is just steady 
and their steady to be fair like

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they're steady is as good as a 
car. 

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Almost our ceiling. 
I feel like we have but it's 

441
00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:43,900
like we just can't get everybody
all on the same page and that's 

442
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:47,100
what's both fun and frustrating 
with this IU team, especially 

443
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:50,600
against this Purdue team or they
are just just rock solid and 

444
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,100
it's like their floor is so 
high. 

445
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,300
Whereas we just seem to be 
oscillating and it's kind of 

446
00:22:55,308 --> 00:22:58,000
like like he said, look there's 
are we going to get tray? 

447
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,000
And Tamar both having great 
games at the same time. 

448
00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:04,600
Yeah, once that I'm going to 
give you that at least bodes 

449
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,000
well for tomorrow but even you 
know, our best guard and Jalen 

450
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,800
hitch. 
Fino, at home point nine, six 

451
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,500
points per possession used 51.6 
from the floor away Point, 59 

452
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,200
points per possession, 26.8% 
from the floor, you know. 

453
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,200
So even you know, home road 
splits which isn't breaking news

454
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,900
at freshman struggle on the road
a little bit but when that's 

455
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:30,800
when that's your guy, That's 
kind of your steady Force that's

456
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,400
leading the charge right now 
because Javis Xavier Johnson 

457
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,400
being hurt. 
Like, that's not great. 

458
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,300
You know, that's that's not 
really want you where you want 

459
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:40,800
your point guard to be, you 
should more. 

460
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,400
So be like that even Keel, like,
you know, a Braden Smith is 

461
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,100
just, he's not going to have a 
lot of great games at. 

462
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,200
Wow, you but he's not going to 
have a lot of terrible games. 

463
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,200
You were like, man, get him off 
the floor and I'm not, by no 

464
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,900
means. 
Am I saying like we need Braden 

465
00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,900
Smith instead of jail entropy? 
No, that's not what I'm saying 

466
00:23:56,900 --> 00:24:00,000
at all. 
I'm just saying to your point 

467
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,200
of, just the fluctuations. 
We see with this Indiana team 

468
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,400
rather than just, like, Purdue 
is just one steady force that 

469
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,700
night in night out. 
You basically know what you're 

470
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,500
going to get from all all Five 
Guys on the floor. 

471
00:24:10,508 --> 00:24:13,500
When you mention Jalen Hurd 
Cioppino like, I look at him as 

472
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:17,800
he's, he's really the key for 
this and that you trace at this 

473
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,200
point, it's like, all right. 
Tres is gonna go for 20 and 12 

474
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,400
just like it's, that's a whole 
other discussion, like it's 

475
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,700
wild. 
But like I have, unless the Big 

476
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,800
Ten decides to foul him out in 
the beginning of the game, like 

477
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,100
they did last, Against Purdue 
but barring that he'll get his 

478
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,900
and he's going to be really 
good, you know, I look at hoods 

479
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:38,900
Ruffino and yeah, he's going to 
struggle on the road. 

480
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,800
Should be better at home, so it 
should Bode better for him here.

481
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:47,200
But I think he's in a tough spot
because unlike, you know, Braden

482
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,000
Smith is able to when he's not 
playing well, he's able to kind 

483
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800
of lean on other players and he 
just doesn't shoot as much. 

484
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,900
Any kind of takes a step back 
and that's why his offensive 

485
00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:58,000
rating is better in those poor 
games. 

486
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,300
Hood Chaffee? 
No is not wired that way. 

487
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,300
That's also why he's an apostle 
NBA lottery. 

488
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,000
Pick is like, having that 
ability back, I'm just going to 

489
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,100
shoot through this. 
Like, that is a different skill 

490
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:09,700
set. 
It is tough and games, like 

491
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,100
Maryland, where you go, you 
know, 1412. 

492
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,800
But in his defense, you know, in
that game against Maryland. 

493
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,900
It's like, who do you want who 
Cioppino passing off to like 

494
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,700
Miller cop who's kind of not 
shooting you know, Trey Galloway

495
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,900
who's basically not there 
tomorrow Bates, who's basically,

496
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:26,500
not there? 
No, not just like tomorrow, 

497
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:29,700
Bates played, you know, Five 
minutes as a 60 offensive 

498
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,000
rating, goes 1 for 5 from 3. 
It's like, it's not like, it's 

499
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,000
not like you're put your feet on
back. 

500
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,700
I'm just going to, you know, 
kind of take a step back and 

501
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,100
just distribute. 
I got usually Distributing to so

502
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:43,100
I look at who Cioppino is not an
enigma but it's just like he's 

503
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,700
in a tough spot as well cause 
you're also asking him to guard 

504
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,800
the best player and I don't know
what, which, what's your thought

505
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,500
on is not even a question there.
It's just, you know, talk about 

506
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,000
hood zaffino for a little bit 
and how important he is in this 

507
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,400
game. 
Yeah, I mean, he's probably the 

508
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:04,500
single most important piece for 
for Indiana, you know, because a

509
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,800
to prevent Jackie D from getting
the ball where he wants it. 

510
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:13,400
There has to be pressure on the 
guards for produce guards, and, 

511
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,700
you know, the second you sag off
and let an easy entry pass 

512
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:20,700
happen, Jackie's gonna score. 
No, I mean, the guard pressure 

513
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:23,600
is just as important, if you can
push them from 20 feet to 25 

514
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,700
feet off the line, makes that 
pass that Much harder makes 

515
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:29,500
Akita maybe have to catch it as 
knees rather than in his pocket.

516
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,000
Like there's different things. 
So you know just defensively 

517
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,900
alone he's going to be 
important. 

518
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:40,500
And then when you look at 
offensive ly, He's a guy running

519
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:44,000
the show, you know, he's, he's a
lot of times, my quotient gives 

520
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,400
us point guards. 
The freedom to call sets out, so

521
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,300
he's got that opportunity and 
then the ball screens, you know,

522
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,100
the best way to be Zeki to put 
him in a ball screen after ball 

523
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,700
screen because he wants to play 
Drop coverage and he's going to 

524
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:02,400
drop 8 to 10 feet into the lane 
and you're going to have pull up

525
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,400
opportunities and down Hood, 
Phoenix been pretty good with 

526
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,400
the pull-up game and he's pretty
You love the balance. 

527
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,300
Didn't have a great game. 
I was saying it's Marilyn doing 

528
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:16,300
that. 
But with that said, He's going 

529
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:19,400
to have to knock those down to 
beat Purdue and to keep Purdue 

530
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,800
honest in those ball screen 
coverage is because then you 

531
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,400
come off that ball screen and 
now Zach, he wants to cheat up 

532
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,600
just a little bit because you've
been knocking down that shot. 

533
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Now, you've got Trace Jackson 
Davis behind them and you've got

534
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
a lot. 
And so there's just a lot of 

535
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,700
variables there in jail in which
we know is gonna be the one 

536
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,100
coming off the majority of those
ball screens. 

537
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,000
And he's gonna have to make 
reasoned decisions. 

538
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,700
So, extremely extremely 
important for him to have a good

539
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:44,300
game. 
So how do you see this all going

540
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,100
playing? 
And it's a 4 o'clock start, it's

541
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:52,000
going to be a wild atmosphere. 
There is a part of me that's a 

542
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,800
little bit concerned, you know. 
This team psyche is always a 

543
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,700
little bit worrisome, you know, 
they went through the the 

544
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,400
doldrums they have that, you 
know, sometimes against 

545
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,900
Maryland. 
It looked like, you know, that 

546
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,600
game was there for the taking. 
They didn't quite take it 

547
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,300
either, they were playing bad. 
My biggest concern is if we 

548
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:16,600
start off a B flat and the 
crowds like, ooh, it's like I 

549
00:28:16,608 --> 00:28:20,000
was talking to Galen about this,
you know, if we if you know, 

550
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,300
Edie gets couple dogs Jackson, 
Davis gets a foul. 

551
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,500
It's like, you know, 3:47 and 
then we come out in this A3 and 

552
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,600
like, bring hits a three. 
It's like, you could have the 

553
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,500
crowd starting to be like this. 
Really, what's good? 

554
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,600
What's going on? 
I do wonder if it's going to be 

555
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,900
almost too hyped. 
That said is like, I don't quite

556
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,700
know where this is going because
like North Carolina was pretty 

557
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,300
lit and that place was pretty. 
Jacked up and they came out and 

558
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,900
just knock their doors off. 
But North Carolina, had a lot of

559
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:50,700
stuff going on. 
I'm just curious. 

560
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,200
How do you, how do you see this 
playing out? 

561
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,700
And I guess I'll also ask you 
like what's so for me? 

562
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,300
That's my concern is, if it 
feels like we're a little bit 

563
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,000
too hyped and then produce gets 
off to a quick start. 

564
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400
I wonder how it's going to 
affect like, what are you most 

565
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,200
concerned about also? 
Yeah, that would, that would 

566
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,700
certainly be up there as a high 
concern. 

567
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,300
I remember last year. 
Pretty got off to a really good 

568
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,200
start. 
I think they got up like eight 

569
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000
to ten and then rocker fantasy 
came in and knock down those 

570
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:21,400
quick threes and all the sudden.
Now you had a six to eight point

571
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,200
lead. 
So you know, it's not doomsday 

572
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200
if it happens but you would hope
with the crowd behind you and 

573
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,000
just the buzz around the game 
that I you would get off to a 

574
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,100
good start and make it certainly
make me feel a lot better if you

575
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,000
had an eight to ten point 
cushion before, you know, things

576
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,200
go wrong but you know, at the 
end of the day, I think, I think

577
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,900
obviously the atmosphere is 
going to be awesome. 

578
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,700
I think it's great for the state
of basketball just in this state

579
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:53,300
of Indiana that these two teams 
are both ranked playing each 

580
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,200
other for the first time in 
quite some time. 

581
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,400
You know, I kind of mentioned 
this last night on assembly call

582
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,000
is like to me this is an 
opportunity for like a Miller 

583
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,900
cop Legacy game because when I'm
if I'm Miller cop and I look 

584
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,600
back at my time, I didn't 
Deanna, it's like what's his 

585
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,100
legacy. 
Right now and I'm not trying to 

586
00:30:14,108 --> 00:30:16,900
crap on the kid but like, you 
know, there's not been a game 

587
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:21,000
where he like, went out there 
and just tore it up and you're 

588
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,800
like, we won this game because 
of Miller cop, and I'm not 

589
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,000
saying that has to be his role. 
But as a senior who you have a 

590
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,800
great opportunity in front of 
your in the starting lineup, 

591
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,100
you're probably one of the last 
options. 

592
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,800
They're really looking at 
stopping, especially given 

593
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,500
recent performance, he can have 
opportunities, they're gonna 

594
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:42,000
double the post and he's got to 
be ready to shoot. 

595
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,100
So for me, Me. 
I made a prediction that, you 

596
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,500
know, this is going to be like 
the Miller cop Legacy game. 

597
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,100
Like this is an opportunity to 
wear. 

598
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,400
Like, if you knocked down five, 
six, threes in this game and you

599
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,600
be number one on your home 
floor. 

600
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Like, people will remember that.
And I don't know why I like that

601
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,100
came to me or, like, I just been
thinking, like, what's, you 

602
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,800
know, what are people going to 
remember him by? 

603
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,000
It's like, decent shooter, you 
know, that's kind of it, and 

604
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,900
that's fine. 
Like, going wrong. 

605
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:12,400
Everybody knew me as a decent 
shooter. 

606
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:17,500
You basketball team, I'm living 
the dream, but I just, I feel 

607
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,500
like he is an X Factor. 
I guess, is what I'm saying is 

608
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:25,300
that, he's like the Mason Gillis
of, you know, last weekend or 

609
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,400
last game for Purdue like not, 
somebody really are keying on 

610
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,300
but once one or two goes in my 
gets hot and, you know, he's 

611
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,200
kind of fiery. 
He's got a little bit of fire in

612
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,000
them, you know, can talk to talk
some trash and whatnot and like 

613
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,500
feel like he kind of thrives on 
that. 

614
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,800
And so I'm that's a piece that 
I'm just interested in. 

615
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Seeing what happens because I 
know he's going to get 

616
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,900
opportunities because Purdue 
Purdue is 100% doubling. 

617
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,300
Trace Jackson Davis, they double
the post, that's what they do. 

618
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,100
And so there's gonna be 
opportunities and I'm excited to

619
00:31:54,108 --> 00:31:57,500
see what that looks like. 
It's so funny because I asked 

620
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Gail and I had a similar 
question on our pot about, you 

621
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,600
know, like who could be the rod 
fantasy of this game. 

622
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,900
And he gave one came up with 
Miller cop to, and I think it's,

623
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,000
I made the case for race 
Thompson, but I think Miller cop

624
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,600
is the answer and to your point 
kind of looking through his game

625
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600
data. 
Indiana. 

626
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,700
It's like he's got kind of two 
games where he went nuts from 

627
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:17,900
three. 
It's like this year against 

628
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:22,600
Rutgers at Rutgers as a loss. 
And that at Syracuse last year, 

629
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:27,900
he went 4 for 9, from three had 
28 points, whether both losses, 

630
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,000
you're right, it's kind of, it's
there for him. 

631
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,700
I think he's going to get open 
shots. 

632
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,000
He in a weird way. 
He fits that fantasy mold were 

633
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Fitness. 
He also is kind of like, dude 

634
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,200
just play ball like stop 
thinking and like you see that a

635
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,900
little bit with cops. 
To where he gets the ball and 

636
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,500
it's like, he doesn't his chute,
he thinks about it, it takes a 

637
00:32:46,508 --> 00:32:48,800
drive and kick the step in it's 
like dude to shoot but you're a 

638
00:32:48,808 --> 00:32:51,400
great shooter like just shoot it
like, stop thinking and play 

639
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,300
basketball. 
So in a weird way, maybe it is 

640
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,600
going to be the Miller cop game.
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. 

641
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,500
It's great to have this back. 
It's great to have Purdue back 

642
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,400
at number one. 
What are your thoughts on? 

643
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Where Indiana is the season and 
where these you know, two games 

644
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,300
meet its you know from a larger 
perspective is also my concern 

645
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:15,600
is You know, whether it's, you 
know, I was a tough road game. 

646
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,100
It's like Penn State stuff, 
northwestern's top, like all the

647
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,400
losses, you can kind of, there's
reason for them, but it's like, 

648
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,500
you still dug yourself a hole, 
like, you're still only one game

649
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:28,700
above 500 in the Big Ten. 
And my larger concern is, you're

650
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:32,600
going into a two game homestand 
against the number one team in 

651
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,000
the country and a team that is 
just had your number 45 years in

652
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Rutgers. 
And just saying, you got to win 

653
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,800
two of those like they're at 
home. 

654
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,900
But it's like that's that's a 
pretty tough putt. 

655
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,300
But if you go into in the next 
to your now, under 500 in the 

656
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,800
Big Ten and your stereo to game 
Road Trip, you're going to 

657
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,500
Michigan. 
Michigan has not been great, but

658
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,800
it's like that's a road game. 
We have we not fared well on the

659
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,000
road. 
It's like you're suddenly the 

660
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,500
season could easily be in Peril.
Again, you know, that that's my 

661
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,300
concern. 
Is I look at this next honestly,

662
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:09,000
like 72 hours for IU basketball.
You know, how do you see the 

663
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,300
next couple of games for I you? 
Yeah. 

664
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,800
I'll tell you what, I'm not 
concerned. 

665
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,800
Okay, love it. 
Well, you won't probably here in

666
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400
a second. 
I'm not concerned because the 

667
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,699
last time I came on this 
podcast, I you'd lost three 

668
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:24,800
straight and it was like, is 
this a tournament team is, you 

669
00:34:24,808 --> 00:34:27,699
know, we were just like what 
happened with this and we rolled

670
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:29,300
off five straight. 
So, every time I come on this 

671
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,199
podcast, I'm just, we've set the
precedent Indiana, won five 

672
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:33,300
straight. 
I love that. 

673
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:35,300
Let's do it. 
Yeah, so after we lose the 

674
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,300
Michigan State on the 21st, I'll
come back on. 

675
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,199
It's right before the next 
Purdue game and we'll keep it 

676
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,100
going. 
But in all seriousness, - yeah, 

677
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:46,699
it's a tough home stand here. 
I'm grateful. 

678
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:51,400
It's homestand and not on the 
road at Purdue at Rutgers, you 

679
00:34:51,408 --> 00:34:52,699
know? 
And then you look ahead. 

680
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:56,300
Michigan played well last night,
beat Northwestern Northwestern. 

681
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,800
Obviously beat us at home. 
So we got to go there and play 

682
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,700
Illinois. 
Looks better than last time. 

683
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,100
We played a mission States 
always tough and you got Purdue 

684
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,900
Iowa, Michigan again. 
So like, you know, your 

685
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,500
Nebraska's and your Minnesota's 
or out the window. 

686
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,000
And so outside of those two, 
every Game in the Big Ten is a 

687
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,300
dogfight and you know, everybody
says it, but it's so true. 

688
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,000
It's the best scatter league in 
the country. 

689
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,200
By this point, the season, 
everybody knows what you're 

690
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,200
running. 
Everybody knows what you're 

691
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,700
going to do. 
And so there is some concern 

692
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:31,900
there, but I will say, when I 
look at Indiana and who they're 

693
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,800
playing against outside of 
Purdue, just because and I could

694
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,300
still make this statement, I 
think Indiana is more talented 

695
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,700
than every team remaining on 
their schedule and that does 

696
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,200
Play a factor now, you have to 
put that talent to work and you 

697
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,600
got a gel together as one which,
you know, they seem to do in 

698
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,400
that five-game, homestand it 
seemingly you'll get Xavier 

699
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Johnson back sometime in 
February late. 

700
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,800
February, seems to be more 
realistic and that factors into 

701
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,500
your talent level of your depth 
becomes greater. 

702
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,300
And so certainly, you know, you 
don't look at that, the 

703
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:12,800
remaining games and like, oh 
yeah, like sure thing. 

704
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,600
No problem, but the same time to
I do look at it and think 

705
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,200
there's opportunity here. 
You know, if Indiana goes on a 

706
00:36:19,207 --> 00:36:23,300
bit of a tear and they win, 
let's say, 75% of their 

707
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:26,000
remaining games, you've got an 
opportunity, possibly a, maybe a

708
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,900
three seed in the big dance and 
I've already been scoping out 

709
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:36,600
where the Regionals are at and 
where the the the first and 

710
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,600
second round are as if I as if 
we'll have any idea until that 

711
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,300
Sunday. 
But I'm like okay well they 

712
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:43,900
could go to Lumbus, and then 
they're going to be in 

713
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,000
Louisville, like just goofy 
stuff. 

714
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,700
But yeah, that's a long-winded 
answer saying, obviously, we 

715
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:53,000
don't know but I'm cautiously 
optimistic on where Indiana's at

716
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,300
currently the, you know, 
obviously got to get healthy. 

717
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,000
It's I think. 
Trace Jackson Davis is back 

718
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,500
injury was obviously bothering 
him more than we knew and once 

719
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,000
because once he got healthy, 
Indiana got a lot better and so 

720
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000
you can only hope that. 
Once David Johnson's healthy 

721
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,700
ones, Jordan geronimo's healthy.
Once a race is healthy Indiana. 

722
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,800
To get a lot better. 
Because that's, that's one thing

723
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,200
that in each of these losses for
Indiana this season, they're 

724
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,500
missing a key piece or a key 
piece. 

725
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:25,700
Was extremely injured and I'm 
not using an excuse. 

726
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:31,500
There's it had, it's a fact of 
college basketball, but, you 

727
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:34,600
know, if they get healthy at the
right time and they start 

728
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,700
playing their best basketball as
they did last year toward the 

729
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,200
end of the year, like, like you 
mentioned their ceiling seems to

730
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,100
be fairly high, and that's 
exciting. 

731
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,200
The other thing You know, you 
mentioned the Miller cop game 

732
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,600
thing. 
I'm gonna throw this out there. 

733
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,000
I think there's a world. 
This is like it's going to sound

734
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,100
super easy to pick but also like
there's some logic behind it. 

735
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,500
Tomorrow could honestly be the 
trace Jackson Davis game, as 

736
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:59,700
well, and what I mean by like, 
he's been amazing. 

737
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,500
Like, he's been unreal. 
He's gone scorched-earth that 

738
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:07,300
he's good for 20 and 10 every 
game, but last year, people 

739
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:09,800
forget, but it's a, he had four 
points in one Rebound. 

740
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
In the game at home against 
Purdue, he got fouled out, He 

741
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,600
got three fouls, two or three 
files. 

742
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,100
Real early didn't play a lot in.
We played 11 minutes so it's not

743
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,700
like he had a bad. 
You just was not able to play 

744
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,700
because if Ali all but blue. 
Yeah. 

745
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,600
But if your Trace it's like you 
won the that's great. 

746
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,300
You won the game but it's like 
you, you were not a big part at 

747
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:31,100
that's Rob Fitness. 
He's win. 

748
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,700
There's a world where and Trace 
has some dog in him. 

749
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:39,200
Like he definitely sees it, he 
gets pissed, he gets angry, 

750
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,200
which I love. 
There's a world where it if your

751
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,200
Tres Jackson Davis and you just 
can have a dominant game, just 

752
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,700
put up a ton of Statute, I think
he could and you beat Purdue 

753
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,500
It's like the question of who's 
the Big Ten player of the year? 

754
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,900
Gets a little bit tighter? 
Because now it's like he's going

755
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,100
to have his numbers, but like 
let's say, Jackson Davis. 

756
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,600
And again, I'm like he's been so
good. 

757
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,300
But let's say he does go for 
like 34 and 22 or something. 

758
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:12,200
Just some wild game, you know, 
you leave that being like, all 

759
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,900
right, like Indiana, beat him 
and head-to-head Jackson Davis 

760
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,200
had a better game than TV and I 
could see the discussion start 

761
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,600
happening like well tracks and 
Davis does a little bit more. 

762
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,500
He's more athletic like ed7 for 
it. 

763
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,100
And if Indiana goes on a run, 
then like this is a world where 

764
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:31,200
you have a game, where your 
Jackson Davis, you could change 

765
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,600
the Paradigm of who the Big Ten 
Player of the Year isn't 

766
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,400
honestly, the winner of that is 
probably National player of the 

767
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600
year and it's there for the 
taking and, you know, you 

768
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,800
mentioned like, Miller cops 
Legacy. 

769
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:46,500
Not that Trace Jackson, Davis 
needs to worry about it. 

770
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,900
His legacy is statistically, is 
going to be set at IU, but his 

771
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:55,000
overall Legacy is going to be 
Interesting because he's never 

772
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,800
finished above 500. 
The Big Ten that's still yet to 

773
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,900
be seen whether they can do 
that, you know. 

774
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,000
So his legacy and I you could be
odd. 

775
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,600
So he's gonna have all the stats
and at this team has never been 

776
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,100
above 500. 
It's going to be like, that's a,

777
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,400
that's an odd Legacy at. 
I just it's going to be an odd 

778
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Legacy for a program that Prides
itself on winning and Banners. 

779
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,800
And you Big Ten titles and 
national championships to not 

780
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,900
have any of that. 
But have all the stats is kind 

781
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,300
of not what IU basketball. 
Intrinsically about not saying 

782
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:27,400
he's not good. 
It's just it it puts him in an 

783
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,800
odd place but if you could have 
a year where it's like, yeah, 

784
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,800
but it's senior year man. 
He won the Big Ten Player of the

785
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,900
Year like that. 
That puts you to pretty Elite. 

786
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,800
Not a lot of IU players have won
that award like I put you in an 

787
00:40:37,808 --> 00:40:41,000
elite territory. 
So I do think that's on the 

788
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
table here to it starts on 
Saturday. 

789
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,700
So I could see a world where we 
just see Jackson Davis coming in

790
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:51,100
totally locked in, which is it 
almost seems unfair to say 

791
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,800
because he has been so damn 
good. 

792
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,800
The last three, Weeks. 
But, you know, if you want to 

793
00:40:55,808 --> 00:40:58,100
win Player of the Year, this is 
your moment. 

794
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,300
Like, you're going up against 
him and it's not even like a 

795
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,600
guard versus a center, like 
they're going to be going up 

796
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,000
against. 
If he gets 38 points, he's doing

797
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,800
it against eating. 
And I see a world where it's 

798
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,200
like I could see Jackson Davis 
getting himself height for that 

799
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,500
and be like, this is my moment 
to show that I am the better 

800
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,800
player in the Big 10. 
Yeah, but I don't disagree at 

801
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,900
all. 
I think it's, it's an exciting 

802
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,800
like to me, like it's what you 
play for, you know, like you 

803
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,500
thrive on on the opportunities 
like this as a competitor and 

804
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:33,800
you know, I'm sure that that's 
not lost on himself, the 

805
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,600
coaching staff Mike. 
What's it like? 

806
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,400
This is what you play for and 
that's yeah, that's the most 

807
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,900
exciting thing. 
Like, you know, this isn't a 

808
00:41:39,908 --> 00:41:42,500
game where Mike Woodson has to 
go in there and wrap the guys up

809
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,900
or it shouldn't be, I would hope
it's not like, yeah, I don't 

810
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:53,400
really Lackadaisical. 
I mean this is excited and so 

811
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,200
yeah, Tracy I can Davis is a 
great opportunity in front of 

812
00:41:56,207 --> 00:41:59,000
them, you know, if he wants to 
put himself in that conversation

813
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,500
of like legitimate like hey you 
know, because I thought he could

814
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,500
win Big Ten player of the year. 
Yeah, I think. 

815
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:10,000
Yeah, I think especially the way
he's played since January and 

816
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,900
then you if you take it head to 
head, there's opportunities 

817
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:17,400
there. 
So you know, I've said a million

818
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:20,000
Sighs. 
But I'm just pumped like to see 

819
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,100
what happens. 
I, you know, I pray, it's not a 

820
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,500
letdown, you know, or just like,
not a game. 

821
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:29,900
Like I envisioned this great 
game comes down to the wire, you

822
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,800
know, going to take some 
execution down the stretch, you 

823
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,800
know, the last 30 seconds takes 
24 minutes because it's a 

824
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,500
college basketball game is 
closed. 

825
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:42,100
Yeah, we get together at 9:00 at
night. 

826
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,100
Yeah, exactly switchyard already
closed. 

827
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,100
Yeah. 
I'm I'm also, I am also, I'm 

828
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:55,500
very interested to see how this 
team comes out against Rutgers 

829
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,400
to because it's a very quick 
turnaround. 

830
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,000
No matter what happens in the 
Purdue game, it's going to be an

831
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,100
emotional like they win. 
It's going to be emotional, they

832
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,300
lose close, its emotional, they 
get their doors blown out, 

833
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,900
that's going to be an emotional,
letdown like there's a lot of 

834
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,700
things keyed up for this Purdue 
game. 

835
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,400
I'm very curious to see how this
IU team comes back after. 

836
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:20,200
Whatever happens against Purdue 
in the Rutgers game because that

837
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,100
game is just as important as 
this Purdue game, maybe more 

838
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:27,600
depending on what happens. 
And I mean I'll ask you but it's

839
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,800
like I don't think any of us 
really know how this T like that

840
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200
to me is almost more interesting
is like how are they? 

841
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:36,100
You know, how their psyche going
to be going in with a trucker's 

842
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,000
game? 
They're going to come in as 

843
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,400
locked in because we haven't 
seen this team have a history of

844
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,700
doing that you know last year 
they just completely kind of no 

845
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:46,900
showed that Michigan game. 
We all were like I lets you 

846
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:49,900
know, Young Big weird. 
It's like I do think those kind 

847
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,300
of excuses are have to be gone. 
Now, if you're going to be the 

848
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,700
expectations, we have you kind 
of. 

849
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,200
So I'm curious to see that 
turnaround from Purdue to 

850
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,500
Rutgers also because it's quick,
it's like 72 hours. 

851
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,700
Yeah. 
You mentioned it last year, we'd

852
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,300
be Purdue on a Thursday and then
just got torched by Michigan on 

853
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:09,000
a Sunday. 
And so, very similar turnaround,

854
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,000
it's emotional, but like I said,
you know, if you truly want to 

855
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,600
be an elite team and you want to
go to places that you want to 

856
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,600
go, like, that's a type of turn 
around, you're going to Have in 

857
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,400
the NCAA tournament, you know, 
Tuesday or Thursday, Saturday, 

858
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,600
you know. 
And that's one thing that I want

859
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,700
to mention here too is, you 
know, this is, does Indiana have

860
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:29,900
a chance to win the Big Ten, 
probably not, but they have an 

861
00:44:29,908 --> 00:44:33,400
opportunity to get a double by 
in the Big Ten Tournament, which

862
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,700
is huge. 
You think last year of all those

863
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:38,500
games they had to play in the 
Big Ten Tournament then had to 

864
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,100
turn around play Tuesday or play
on Wednesday or Tuesday or 

865
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:42,300
whatever wasn't. 
And they had to play Third, 

866
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,100
like, you have an opportunity to
kind of mitigate some of that 

867
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,100
airplane, which was a big was 
Big Factor last year just 

868
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:50,600
getting the doors blown off by 
st. 

869
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,500
Mary's and so I don't want that 
to be lost either that like 

870
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,300
yeah, you're not really probably
jockeying for number one 

871
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:03,300
potential but you are jockeying 
for two, three, four, and that 

872
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:07,200
plays, a big difference. 
If you can get that double by in

873
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,500
the Big Ten tournament and you 
know, you only have to win one 

874
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:14,300
game to get to where you want to
go rather than 3 or whatever, 

875
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,300
the case was last year. 
So I think that's important too.

876
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,700
To think about as well for 
Indiana as a jockey for Big Ten.

877
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,100
Positioning, no, I completely 
agree timing. 

878
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:28,600
It's unfortunately, the Big Ten 
title is probably Out Of Reach 

879
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,900
at this point. 
You know, even if you could beat

880
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:33,700
Purdue twice, that gives them, 
you know, three losses in the 

881
00:45:33,707 --> 00:45:36,400
Big Ten, you still have for, you
need them to stumble somewhere 

882
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,400
else. 
I'm just not sure that's 

883
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,000
happening. 
I'm not sure. 

884
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,400
We can beat them in Mackay 
either. 

885
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,600
It's a lot of ifs but you are 
right. 

886
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,300
Like, I don't think getting if 
you win the next to the path. 

887
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,000
For you getting the number two 
seed. 

888
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,100
In the Big Ten is really their 
you now have you, you you have 

889
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,600
it. 
You've split with Rutgers. 

890
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,700
So I, you know, I don't know 
what the second third and fourth

891
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:00,800
tiebreak is, but you are right. 
The big Ten's in a weird spot 

892
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,400
where it's like, Purdue Rutgers 
then it's just like, literally 

893
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,700
everybody else. 
And, you know, Gail and I were 

894
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:10,500
joking with us to like that 
third through eighth spot could 

895
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,500
come down to like the 15th 
tiebreak. 

896
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,200
Like it means these teams are 
packed up. 

897
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:17,200
I don't see there being a lot of
distance here. 

898
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:22,300
But if Indiana beats Purdue be 
truckers Yul wins in Michigan, I

899
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,800
think that puts them at a point 
where they put enough distance 

900
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,700
where they're probably 
comfortably in the three seed 

901
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:29,200
without having to worry about 
tiebreaks. 

902
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,100
And that's like, as you said, 
it's a huge thing. 

903
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:34,700
Because yeah, that's Saint. 
Mary's lost was pretty much a 

904
00:46:34,707 --> 00:46:38,900
schedule loss, but it was of our
own doing like all those extra 

905
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:41,200
games at all. 
That travel partially was the 

906
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,600
NCAA flying us, you know, from 
Dayton to Portland in 12 hours 

907
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,300
but you like you can mitigate 
that by Putting yourself in a 

908
00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:51,500
position where the n-c-double-a 
can screw you and you do that by

909
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,300
being double by the Big Ten, and
then being a protected seed in 

910
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:57,700
the tournament, and then you're 
not going to get job by the NCAA

911
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:02,500
100%, And it's there for the 
taking and that's what's nice. 

912
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,800
You put yourself in position to 
take it now, go take it. 

913
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Yeah. 
Well, you're gonna be at the 

914
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,800
game tomorrow, right? 
I will. 

915
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,000
I'm jazzed up, there'd be my 
first game this season that 

916
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,800
assembly or no. 
I guess I went to one of the 

917
00:47:14,808 --> 00:47:18,200
exhibitions but first real game.
Game of the season. 

918
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,700
Nice. 
It's going to be one of the few 

919
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:25,800
games where I'm assuming. 
Like, I remember this, the 

920
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,300
Kentucky game always comes up 
the Kentucky, Wofford shot game.

921
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,300
I saw it at that game. 
I saw it at last year's Purdue 

922
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,500
game a little bit for this 
year's North Carolina game but 

923
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:38,600
it's it's something special. 
I'm going to be there. 

924
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,100
Like when people are there with 
like 18 minutes before the game,

925
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:46,100
in the places like already full.
It's like, wow this is we're 

926
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,800
full of like that's something 
where Quietly. 

927
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,800
Indiana fans are kind of show up
late, not show up late, but you 

928
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,700
can a lot of these big games, 
you know, we'll get there and 

929
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:56,500
it's like you know, four minutes
of tip and it's like a lot of 

930
00:47:56,508 --> 00:47:59,000
empty seats. 
So it fills in but it fills in. 

931
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,200
As the game's going there's very
few times where it's like 20 

932
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,100
minutes pre tip and it's like 
the place is jammed. 

933
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,800
And I remember that Kentucky 
game, just like it was 20 

934
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,500
minutes for tip-off and I'm like
this place is 100% full, like it

935
00:48:09,508 --> 00:48:12,600
was Bonkers and I expect that 
tomorrow. 

936
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:15,300
Absolutely. 
So telling you, you got to be 

937
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:17,000
there 20 minutes, right? 
You got to be there when the 

938
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000
highwomen. 
That's early. 

939
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,300
Don't you worry? 
We will be. 

940
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:22,900
I'll make in college. 
We used to we stroll in, you 

941
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,900
know, this under-16 timeout or 
something like that. 

942
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,900
But yeah, I'm not, yeah, I'm not
knocking nothing game. 

943
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:30,700
We were there. 
And, you know, like you said, 

944
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:32,800
there's just an aura. 
There's a buzz, the pet bands 

945
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,300
plan, you know, everybody's just
into it, and it's just like, 

946
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,700
like you. 
There's just a buzz. 

947
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:41,100
You can feel it and that will 
100% be the atmosphere tomorrow 

948
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:44,400
especially for o'clock game. 
You know, there's some time to 

949
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,200
four people get lubed up a 
little bit and Be ready to go? 

950
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:52,300
No, I buddy I didn't mean this 
at all just to clarify its 

951
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,900
honestly never the students like
students they've done a great 

952
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:57,600
job of showing up for football 
games. 

953
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,400
The last couple years for 
basketball games like it. 

954
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,300
Normally, when the place isn't 
full, it's like I sit in section

955
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,000
F. 
I look over students or to my, 

956
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,100
you know, far right. 
I stare straight at like, the 

957
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:12,400
alumni and the faculty section. 
And normally, that's the section

958
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,100
that's like half full when the 
tip-off start. 

959
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,300
So, I'm I've always been Ben, I 
think the students get a bad rap

960
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,700
at IU. 
They show up and they show up 

961
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:24,300
early and they're there for the 
most part the last couple years 

962
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:27,700
have been really, really good. 
But yeah, I expect tomorrow to 

963
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,400
be lit. 
I just opened, come out, good, 

964
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,900
hoping to get a win and I think 
so. 

965
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,500
What's your final prediction? 
All this talk, all this pod. 

966
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,700
What do you think happens 
tomorrow? 

967
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,300
Indiana. 70 produce 66 okay, I 
like it. 

968
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,600
Does he get two fouls? 
That's the bigger one. 

969
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,900
That's the harder one to 
predict, he's averaging 1.7. 

970
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,300
So we'll see. 
I will Tony. 

971
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,200
It's been great. 
And you know if we if we lose 

972
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:58,800
again we're going to have you on
as my God if we go on a 

973
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,500
five-game winning streak again 
like I love yes. 

974
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,900
After Michigan state will have 
you on because that gives us 3 

975
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,800
and that gives us two in the big
like if we get the double by 

976
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,500
That might get us to the Big Ten
title game. 

977
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:11,600
So let's do that. 
And then we win the national 

978
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,500
championship. 
This, we've gotten time you 

979
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,600
heard out here, dude. 
I mean that happens. 

980
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,900
Like then all the ni L dollars 
might need to go to Tony. 

981
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:22,600
Let me just call the muddy 
puddles to you. 

982
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,000
If we found we found keep my 
fingers crossed. 

983
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,900
What are years? 
We try to figure out what the 

984
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:29,500
hell's wrong with IU basketball.
We just got a Time, the podcast 

985
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:30,400
right? 
Damn. 

986
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,100
Maybe you heard it here first, 
and we shall see. 

987
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,500
So hopefully, it's the start of 
a hellish go for a 10 game, 

988
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,400
winning streak. 
Because just went out anyway, 

989
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,700
really Tony. 
It's been awesome. 

990
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:42,400
I'll see you tomorrow. 
Everybody out there. 

991
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:44,900
Thank you all for listening. 
Let's go have fun tomorrow. 

992
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,100
Let's let's beat Purdue what the
hell? 

993
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,900
They were trapped please thank 
them. 

994
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:51,100
Good to see you man. 
Until next time, thank you all 

995
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:53,600
for listening. 
This is Scott for Crimson cash 

996
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:54,200
signing off.