1 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,880 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:27,120 Field Apparel. You're hopeful joining you here 3 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,480 on the show. It is Monday, March 3rd back. 4 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:38,360 More IU coaching candidate talk as it were, and Scott also 5 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,240 looking forward to a big week for IU men's basketball as they 6 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,240 have two really critical games coming up later on this week. 7 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,200 They play Oregon Tuesday night and then back in the hole for 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,160 Senior Day on this upcoming Saturday. 9 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:54,720 It is March. It's tournament time. 10 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,680 A lot of great games over the weekend. 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,240 Not just the game that IU was in, but a ton of really 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,040 fascinating games across the country. 13 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,640 Are you feeling the the madness, Scott? 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,800 Are you feeling the fever? Yeah. 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Yeah, yeah. No, it's definitely it's 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,800 definitely March. You feel it coming on. 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,920 We my my son had a soccer youngest son of the soccer game. 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,440 We stopped for burgers and there's like the Tennessee 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,120 Alabama game on and we're just watching the end of that and 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,360 it's great. It was like, hold on, grace, 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,000 like hold on, man. We're just watching the NMA wife 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,320 and I were both like, I want to see this game. 23 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,520 It's like it's starting to yeah, we're starting to get there. 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,480 And it's fun that for as disappointing at times as this 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,720 season has been, I'm starting to kind of dust off the hey, we're 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,840 going to be. We have a real shot at being on 27 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,040 the bubble or being in the tournament and in the 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,040 tournament, you know, it's it's I'm having to get my excitement 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,080 level back. Just being totally honest, like 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,880 I kind of lost it. It's kind of checked out. 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,440 It's like, all right, like I need, I'm checking back in and 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,960 I'm getting excited because the tournament is to me, the one of 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,160 the best sporting events and it's the entire lead up. 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,280 It starts from now because you start, you know, getting the 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,600 seating for the conference tournaments. 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,240 You start sprinkling in slower level conference tournaments 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,840 over the next couple days like, oh, I know the MIAC was playing 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,080 this week. Like that's fun. 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,200 And then it leads in the conference tournament. 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,560 It leads into that first weekend. 41 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,960 It is just from here till like March 24th is just it's awesome. 42 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:15,760 It is and you know, it's funny because I think a lot of IU 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,120 fans, but OK, let me back up a second. 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,120 I, you know, me, I, I do bracketology and I really dive 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,280 into the tournament and over the last 20 years, that's really 46 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,600 when I've been doing that the most, really the last 25. 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,840 And then of course that is coincided with IU missing a lot 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,800 of tournaments during that same time period. 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,800 So I've I've learned over time to get excited about the 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,000 tournament, even if it's not. Involving Indiana, When you do 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,360 like a control F and you type Indiana, your computer's like 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,120 what? Like what? 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,920 We don't search that. I'm sorry, what? 54 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:50,080 Yeah, but but the flip side of it is there's a lot of IU fans 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,160 who don't feel that way, who are only excited about the 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,840 tournament when IU is in it. And I understand that. 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,280 And this has been a really weird year in as much As for the 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,520 longest time, you just took for granted the idea that Indiana 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,600 wasn't going to be in the NCAA tournament. 60 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,240 And yet if you listened to or watched the Bracketology special 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,440 that I did yesterday and posted to the YouTube channel, 62 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:15,040 Indiana's not only like on the bubble, like they're, they're 63 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,840 inside. Like I had them as my 15 fifth 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,280 to last team in, which is great because you've got like a a lot 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,400 of cushion there. And yeah, Indiana still got a 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,920 little bit of work to do. But even in relation to the 67 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,040 other teams that are on the bubble, they're in much better 68 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,160 shape and have much better chances at bettering their 69 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,440 situation. So I get it for IU fans, if 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,440 you're not totally jacked up about the tournament right now 71 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,400 because it didn't look like IU was going to be in it, but I 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,440 think you got to get used to the idea that they will be. 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,720 It's just such a strange circumstance, Scott, with 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,680 everything else that's going on around the program with Woodson. 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,600 There's some stuff I want to talk about with Woodson in a in 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,360 a minute, but it's just, it's just been a weird vibe. 77 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,800 And I think it's going to continue to be that way 78 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,080 throughout the whole month of March. 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,880 And it's, you know, it's possible that by the end of the 80 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,120 month we'll have both been to the tournament and gotten the 81 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,880 new coach in the same time period, which is a weird set of 82 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,200 circumstances. It is. 83 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,320 I mean, April 2nd is the date it's going to happen. 84 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,400 We all know that. That's what I told. 85 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,279 No, no, I, I, I'm, I'm living the weirdness because I, I did. 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,720 I mean, I, I still watch the games. 87 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,000 I still keep up with that. I just, I kind of checked out of 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,000 being as into it as I had been. But yeah, I mean, it's like if 89 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,640 you're in the tournament, that's awesome. 90 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440 And then once you're there, like that is going, anything can 91 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,480 happen. And it'd be really cool to not 92 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,800 be in the 1st 4. You know what, we will have time 93 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,840 to do the Woodson kind of post mortem later. 94 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,240 But I was thinking about it, it would be just a, a weird four 95 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,280 years if Woodson didn't make the tournament and then two years 96 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,880 made the first four and then also one year was a protected 97 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,840 seed. That's just, that's a. 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,240 That's an odd mix of of results. And we'll come back to that in a 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,600 second. But first, just a quick reminder 100 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,560 folks, we are on Sub Stack, which of course is the place 101 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,720 that you can go to get all the emails with the podcast 102 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,560 delivered right to your inbox. We are at almost 1200 free 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,200 subscribers to The Substance. 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They were dropping a bunch of 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,120 basketball related stuff over the last couple of weeks. 124 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,000 I'm sure they'll have more coming up soon. 125 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,320 Use the code home 23. Get 15% off your first order 126 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,680 again, home 23. Go to homefieldapparel.com and 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,760 let them know we sent you. I'm sure they'd be happy to hear 128 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,760 that. Scott, let's talk a little bit 129 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,400 about the weekend. We're not going to talk too much 130 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,360 about the Washington game. I covered that in the last 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,800 podcast. You didn't want to mention the 132 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,400 uniforms a little bit. Let's start with that. 133 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,160 I mean, what were your opinions of of the sartorial choice of IU 134 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,080 for that Washington game? I, I love it. 135 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,040 I'm going to echo a lot of the same things you said. 136 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,800 You know, I'm, I'm a fan of trying all kinds of new things. 137 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,960 It it's frustrating when you see other teams kind of play around 138 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,560 with their uniforms and Michigan State has been probably the 139 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,680 leader. Oregon's obviously in a 140 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,880 different, I forgot they're in the Big 10, but Michigan State 141 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,000 has been the leader of the classic Big 10, we'll call it 142 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,640 kind of playing around with their uniforms, some with better 143 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 results than others. But I, I like that, you know, I, 144 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,520 I love when Illinois goes to the throwback like with a fighting a 145 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,760 lion top and bottom. Same with the Ohio State, like 146 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,120 the, the Gray with the Ohio and the state below it. 147 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,680 And, you know, it's Indiana's just been classic the entire 148 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,200 time that there have been changes. 149 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,160 You know, the, the Trident has changed over time and kind of 150 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,760 the way the in the jerseys constructed, you know, in the 151 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Davis area, they have a little IU logo on the, on the, the 152 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,320 neck. But I, I think us having a 153 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,560 couple more options is good. I really like the black jerseys 154 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,200 with the script and the red piping. 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,840 Thought it looked pretty good. I think you play around with 156 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,480 that and there's a world where, you know, let's again, this is 157 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,120 kind of also what I feel with our podcast doing. 158 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Let's have some fun with this. Like, let's, this is not, this 159 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,360 is basketball in the end. Like let's grab the Oval from 160 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,520 football and throw it on the black logos, see what it looks 161 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,400 like on the on the shorts or something like let's let's mix 162 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,840 and match a little bit. We'll try some stuff, some 163 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,760 works, some doesn't. But no, for me, I was like, 164 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,320 that's a cool look. I would like them to dust that 165 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,440 off and maybe play with it a little bit and and make that 166 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,360 something that's in the rotation, you know, at times, a 167 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,120 couple times every season, yeah. I I agree, I don't have a whole 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,760 lot more to say beyond that, but I think you you summarized a 169 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,240 bunch of things very effectively there. 170 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,880 But you can even. I mean this this is, you know, 171 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,440 maybe third rail, but like even play around with the like maybe 172 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,920 black and red candy stripes. Like what? 173 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,000 What like let's try it. Like let's have some fun. 174 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,000 I'm, I'm all about that. I mean, let's like again, I 175 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,520 think, and it's funny because I was watching some old YouTube 176 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,200 videos this weekend of IU and you know, going back to like the 177 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,720 60s and early 70s, something I found that was supposed to. 178 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,200 Be pulled by Peacock next or you just like seeing which ones are 179 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,280 going to be ripped off just. Trying to anticipate which ones 180 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,559 Peacock's going to steal and not credit me on. 181 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,320 It's it's a great game that they have going with me now, but no, 182 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,920 I it's funny because I was talking with IU Artifacts, our 183 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,760 friend Chris about this. I was watching one of the oldest 184 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,520 videos that I've uploaded to the YouTube channel, which is IU 185 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Illinois from 1975 in Assembly Hall. 186 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,440 And IU did not have the state outline at center court for 187 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,160 Assembly Hall at that point. They had essentially a very 188 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,880 small circle, white circle with a red eye in it. 189 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,120 And that was also the design that was at the new field house. 190 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,240 And so, and then of course, I think it was Chris told me after 191 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,120 the 70s, after the 7576 season, they changed and they put the 192 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,360 state logo on the floor. But I'd love a throwback season 193 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,120 where we bring that back because that's a classic design. 194 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,280 But it brought up the thing about the uniforms, which is if 195 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,040 you look at the uniforms at that stage, they do look different, 196 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,040 you know, different, different Trident, different, you know, 197 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,960 different look overall, the, the, the uniforms are kind of 198 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,000 sacrosanct for reasons of, well, hey, we won three national 199 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,840 titles and that was Bob Knight's program. 200 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,560 But a that was 25 years ago, and there's been very little success 201 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:50,440 since then. And that period when Bob Knight 202 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,080 was successful was only about 25 years itself. 203 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,160 You know, it was, it was, it was not like the entire history of 204 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,760 IU basketball. That was also a period when 205 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,680 nobody had all, like all teams had the same jersey just for 20 206 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:01,680 years straight. Right. 207 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,200 So I just think to some degree people get dug in on things that 208 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,760 you don't need to be dug in on. Is it that big of a deal? 209 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,600 No. But then I would argue it's not 210 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,200 that big of a deal both ways. You know it's it's not. 211 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,560 I would say it's a little bit of a deal. 212 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,120 Again, you and I both play the college, College football is 213 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,360 different than basketball, I'm aware. 214 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,840 But the college football game, you know, I, I just started a 215 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,480 dynasty with my brother-in-law and a couple of other friends. 216 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,480 And part of me picking my team, which I'll get to in a second, 217 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:30,360 was which teams had the most alternative uniforms. 218 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,560 I mean, I play with Indiana. You get one like 2 helmet 219 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:34,160 choices. It's like not a lot of fun. 220 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,000 There's teams like Texas where it's like, hey, do you want 221 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,800 orange or white? And those are your options. 222 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,720 I picked Tulane 'cause they have like 75 different uniform 223 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,120 choices. It's fun organs. 224 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,560 They're like having kind of a fun playing team on video games 225 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,760 does kind of help. It just gives your, your school 226 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,760 a little bit of cachet. My, my brother-in-law picked 227 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,280 Minnesota. They have a ton of uniform 228 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,840 choices in in the college football game. 229 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,880 So I think having a couple of options, it's fun having a 230 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,160 Minnesota Tulane national championship, which I played 231 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,680 yesterday. I would say the argument there 232 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:06,920 is, well, it's great, but then like you can have all those 233 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,880 uniform choices, but then you're Minnesota. 234 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:14,000 Yeah. Anyway, a couple of other things 235 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,200 from the weekend. It it, I think, you know, the we 236 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,640 talked about the Washington game or I talked about the Washington 237 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,480 game on the previous show. It really helped IU in terms of 238 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,360 positioning. Overall, I did think it was 239 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,240 really fascinating listening to the broadcasters on that game. 240 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:34,920 And I and I know like, I, I think you were watching it 241 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,840 without the sound on for a whole period of time there. 242 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,680 But you can always tell when the announcers have like sat down 243 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,640 with the head coach, they have zero idea about what's going on 244 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,680 with the rest of the program and they just listen to the coach. 245 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,680 And in this case, Woodson, like clearly complaining about, you 246 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,600 know, not being that, you know, still not being the coach moving 247 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,240 forward. And, you know, they were kind of 248 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,600 overly sympathetic, although it was funny because whoever the 249 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,400 the analyst was on the game and clearly never watched Indiana 250 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,600 play the entire season because he was he just kept talking 251 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,720 about, well, you know, I'm I'm really impressed with Indiana da 252 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,440 da da da, but with no context beyond that. 253 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,440 It was like he was opening a Christmas present for the first 254 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,120 time. But I'm always interested with 255 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,440 these things. When you go talk to the head 256 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,560 coach, the coach is going to talk about whatever they're 257 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:22,560 talking about. But it's clear, like, I'm so 258 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,680 confused because the way that the broadcasters were talking 259 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:30,080 about their conversation with Woodson, it's hard to reconcile 260 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,000 with the idea that has been put forward by IU Athletics, that it 261 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,320 was Woodson's idea that he should no longer be the head 262 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,520 coach because, you know, the whole thing has been presented 263 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,960 by the athletic department as well. 264 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,960 Woodson approached us and said he didn't want to be a 265 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,760 distraction, so he wanted to step down. 266 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,280 Yet in almost every public appearance, Woodson has 267 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,640 intimated that he's like leaving against his will. 268 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Or every. Appearance. 269 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,400 Public appearance. He's not doing like all. 270 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,880 He's not doing, you know, the radio hits. 271 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Yeah, doesn't reconcile particularly well. 272 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,920 And I just, I was, it made me laugh on this Peacock broadcast 273 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,160 that that kept getting brought up throughout the course of the 274 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,920 broadcast. So I don't know, it was just a 275 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,160 random thing I noted. That is going to be an 276 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,440 interesting subplot because he's he's not doing local media, but 277 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,840 he's clearly very interested in talking to national media and 278 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,000 and that's the subtext of it all. 279 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,760 So it'll be a that'll be an interesting subplot if IU does 280 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,640 get into the NCAA tournament, I think. 281 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,520 It's, it's a great call. I, I just, I think it's 282 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,320 interesting that, you know, IU took so long to hire one of its 283 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,600 own and then they did and now it's not ending well. 284 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,040 And of all the things I would have thought, I would have 285 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,520 thought, well, at least if it had to end, it would be, you 286 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,080 know, both sides would come to an agreement. 287 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,760 It's like, all right, I'm, I'm pissed, but for the better of 288 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,880 the university, I'm going to let go. 289 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,040 And it's not happening that way. I mean, what, what I think is 290 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,760 interesting is, and it's probably just because of where 291 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,200 Woodson is at his hit in, in his career. 292 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,880 And it's pretty obvious this is probably his last. 293 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,120 I mean, he might get picked up by some NBA team for another 294 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,880 spot, but like, he's not going to get another college coaching 295 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,360 job, you know, head coaching job. 296 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,720 How few, you know, you haven't heard a lot of courses of people 297 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,880 talking about what you know, how bad this is or yeah, how could 298 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,720 you do this or how you know, it's just kind of been quiet for 299 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,720 the most part. Like I mean, Mike Will on PTIA 300 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,880 couple times has been bitching about how like who's Indiana? 301 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,840 I think they are, but there hasn't been a lot of like former 302 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,800 players coming out just been kind of quiet on both sides 303 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,880 since it happened. I think that's interesting too. 304 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,680 Either Woodson has tried to reach out to you, like hey, go 305 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,960 out and talk about me. It hasn't happened or it's just 306 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,240 people are like, hey, let's it's just everyone's not seem. 307 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,000 It seems like everyone's kind of checked out, checked out on this 308 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,560 just like. All right. 309 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,360 We're done. We're ready to move on. 310 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,880 I've had a few people contact me and say, well, what happens if 311 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,120 IU makes a deep run in the term? I was like, let's pump the 312 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,160 brakes. Like getting into the tournament 313 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,360 would still be an accomplishment. 314 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,120 Being anything higher than like an 11 seed would be still a bit 315 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,800 of a shock. It's possible. 316 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,440 But you know, again, I would I, I keep referring back to what 317 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,720 the expectations were at the start of the year. 318 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,560 And we were having these conversations of, well, gosh, 319 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,320 if, if Woodson only makes a Sweet 16 with the talent on this 320 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,040 team, was this a successful season or not? 321 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Well, that's I mean, they could still make a Sweet 16, but it 322 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,200 would be under a completely different set of circumstances. 323 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,320 I don't think it materially changes anything, but it's going 324 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,760 to be interesting to see how it all plays out and whether or not 325 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:25,160 the the national or even the local tenor of the debate 326 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,360 changes at all based upon what occurs. 327 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,600 I again, I think I mentioned this in the podcast on Sunday, 328 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,560 we've seen Indiana perform really well against the two 329 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,000 worst teams in the conference over the course of the last 330 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,320 week. Let's see what they do as they 331 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,040 take a step up. I mean, Oregon is a is a 332 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,360 surprisingly good team. Like they are better team than I 333 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,560 thought they were once I started diving into tournament resumes. 334 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,600 And Ohio State is not that good but has shown the ability to do 335 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,280 things like win at Purdue, you know, So I do think that, you 336 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,400 know, if Indiana sweeps this week. 337 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,520 It doesn't change anything about the final decision, especially 338 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,880 since it was theoretically Woodson's decision in the 1st 339 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,760 place. But you know, that's the other 340 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,600 thing. It's like, well, you guys still 341 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,760 going to fire Woodson if he makes a term. 342 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,960 It's like, well, we've been told he stepped down on his own 343 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,720 accord. So I just, I'm not sure what 344 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,480 we're supposed to be talking about at this point. 345 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Great point. I, I think the Sweet 16 would be 346 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,160 an interesting discussion if only you have the break where 347 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,120 people can talk about it. Also, you know, a lot of this 348 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,880 will depend and let's move on. A lot of it will depend on how 349 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,920 Indiana gets there because they're an 11 seed. 350 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,360 You know, beating a six is a is an upset, but it's not like 351 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,160 monumental. If they then beat the 12, it's 352 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,680 like OK, if they beat a three seed, it's like, OK, they're 353 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,320 beating A-Team. Like, you know, Iowa State or 354 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,840 Michigan State. I wouldn't be Michigan State 355 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,000 based on bracketing rules. But a team in that elk, you 356 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,680 know, if they make it to the Final Four, that would be a 357 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,400 different scenario because you have a whole other, you know, 358 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,000 you'd have to win some real magnitude games over the weekend 359 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,880 to talk about it. But I I like your thought of it 360 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,240 just kind of becomes a, you know, who broke up with who 361 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,920 conversations like he stepped down, like we're not firing him 362 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,920 like his his job. Now it's unfortunately too late, 363 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,280 like because he decided to step down, it's too late. 364 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,359 But it would it would be interesting if they made the 365 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,280 final four how it would be. But it it feels like I I think 366 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,560 that the decision has been made and I think even if they make 367 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,599 that run, it would be awesome. It's like, that's a This is a 368 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,119 great way to end the Mike Woodson era isn't a final. 369 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,839 Four, I'm with you 100%. He's already brought, you know, 370 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,320 black uniforms to to IU, like bringing bringing IU back to the 371 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,560 final four would be a great way to. 372 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,800 Start with that. Let's talk about new coaches. 373 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:33,680 Yeah, yeah. So. 374 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,880 Let's theoretical run to the Final Fours. 375 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,080 Let's pivot and I I will. I would like to say a couple of 376 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,120 quick updates in terms of standings for those of you who 377 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:46,560 are following along in relation to the Big 10 Tournament and 378 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,200 where Indiana might land with that. 379 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,920 Results yesterday solidified some things. 380 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:57,160 Illinois has now essentially clinched in every scenario 381 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,560 against Indiana. So the highest Indiana can get 382 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,960 from a seating perspective is now eighth because even if 383 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Illinois loses their one remaining conference game, which 384 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,160 is this upcoming Friday against Purdue, Illinois would be 11 and 385 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,120 9. Indiana can't get any better 386 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:15,040 than 11 and 9, and Illinois holds the tiebreaker for having 387 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,440 beaten Indiana head to Indiana can still catch Oregon, but 388 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,800 that's kind of not important in as much as if they are in the 389 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,720 8-9 game. It's just a matter of whether 390 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,080 they're wearing Rd. uniforms or home uniforms because Oregon is 391 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,880 is maybe black. Yes. 392 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,600 Now Oregon could still pass Illinois if they beat Indiana 393 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,120 and Washington. That would drop Illinois into 394 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:41,800 the 8-9 game. Indiana's also very much still a 395 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,640 possibility to drop down into the Wednesday games if they lose 396 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,720 the basically, they'd have to lose both. 397 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,600 Excuse me, they they could, they could win one and lose 1. 398 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:58,120 If they beat Oregon and they're 10 and 9 lose to Ohio State and 399 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:01,200 Ohio State beats Nebraska and Ohio State's 10 and 10, there's 400 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,080 a possibility there that Indiana might lose that tiebreaker, but 401 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,200 it would require some other things happening one way or the 402 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,480 other. So Indiana's either at this 403 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,600 point most likely to be playing on Thursday in the 8-9 game 404 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,960 against most likely Oregon, but possibly Illinois or they could 405 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,320 end up in the 10 seed. There's a really wild scenario 406 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,920 where Indiana loses both of their remaining games and you've 407 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 got both Ohio State and then that whole gaggle of teams that 408 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,720 are at 7:00 and 11:00 that could sneak in and that would create a 409 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,320 big multi part tiebreaker confusion. 410 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,120 Indiana might be good in those in that scenario because they've 411 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,880 beaten Rutgers, they've beaten Minnesota, but they've also lost 412 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,560 to Nebraska and lost to Northwestern. 413 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,640 So I can't calculate all of that at this point. 414 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,640 Would have lost to Ohio State in that theoretical. 415 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,880 Yeah. But you would have, you would 416 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,280 have a one-on-one record against Ohio State because they beat 417 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,480 them already. So it's like there's all kinds 418 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,760 of wild things that could happen. 419 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,320 But anyway, I still think Indiana's in good shape 420 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,040 tournament wise. But as far as the Big 10 421 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,400 tournaments concerned, it is going to be interesting. 422 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,120 Now you know, we did see a couple of interesting things 423 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,600 happen over the weekend. You know, you've at this stage 424 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,840 it looks like it's going to be Michigan State is the one seed. 425 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,400 Michigan surprisingly got blown out at home by Illinois, who 426 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,320 left up out of their coffin and and suddenly looks like a 427 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,840 contender again. So this is going to be a lot of 428 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,520 really fascinating moves happening down the stretch here. 429 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,560 One thing that's really interesting about Michigan and 430 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,240 what we're actually going to talk about their coach here a 431 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,640 little bit later, but I would like to note to people something 432 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,000 actually you know what I'll call time out on that. 433 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,920 Let's just actually let's just talk about Dusty May. 434 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,600 It's a nice segue. So we we've got 4IN memoriam for 435 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,720 him. We said he was gone, but we'll 436 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,280 we'll bring him back. You're the by the way, Scott 437 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,040 playing that video actually triggered a copyright issue. 438 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,920 McLaughlin doesn't play yeah. You need to just use generic sad 439 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,720 music, not not adoptable cats sad music I think in the future. 440 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,600 But let's talk about Dusty May. We have a group of four coaches 441 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,720 that we're going to be talking about today as we've been doing 442 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,960 now Dusty may did just sign an extension with Michigan. 443 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,200 It's very unlikely he would be the head coach, but not entirely 444 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,120 impossible because the buyout terms aren't that aren't that 445 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,160 critical and until. We have time. 446 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,520 We have time and until the next season starts and Dusty May is 447 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,000 not the head coach, I think you still have to entertain the idea 448 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,080 that, well, maybe let's let's talk through it. 449 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,920 So Dusty May, of course, the head coach at Michigan this year 450 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,920 and prior to that was the head coach at Florida Atlantic. 451 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,280 And of course, prior to that had a winding path through college 452 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,200 basketball that started as a manager here at Indiana 453 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,280 University. Dusty May, a native of Greene 454 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,080 County, grew up in a rural part of that county, was kind of, you 455 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,680 know, brought into the IU sphere as at a very young age and lived 456 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,080 that life for a while, ended up following Mike Davis, was an 457 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,360 assistant under him, was an assistant elsewhere. 458 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,440 You know, Dusty May kind of leaped to everybody's attention 459 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,040 in 2023 when he took Florida Atlantic, a historically 460 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,000 horrific team, and got them all the way to the Final Four where 461 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,280 they barely lost to San Diego State in the in the championship 462 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,000 game. There were 35 and four that year 463 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,080 followed up last or that following year, which was last 464 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,760 year with a 25 and 9 overall record in the eighth seed. 465 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,200 And then they barely lose in that first round game. 466 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,920 Takes the job at Michigan and has taken a Michigan team that 467 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,920 had really devolved under Juwan Howard. 468 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,120 Like Juwan Howard went from making an Elite Eight in 2021 469 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:46,840 and going 22 and 5 or 23 and five and 14 and three to last 470 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,720 year Juwan Howard was 8 and 24 and they were 3 and 17. 471 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,800 I mean, it's fascinating how far down the list Juwan Howard fell 472 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,800 in a very short period of time. That was a a Michigan program 473 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,280 that was really in a lot of trouble. 474 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,320 Dusty May comes in and in one year has gone from 8 and 24 to 475 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,080 22 and seven. I have seen some people like 476 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,200 looking at what's going on at Michigan right now and saying 477 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,280 we'll see. You know, Michigan's a paper 478 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,520 tiger. Dusty isn't that good of a 479 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,680 coach. I just want to note like they've 480 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,920 already done a 14 game swing from last year. 481 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760 They're in they're they're still technically in contention for a 482 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,240 Big 10 title. This is a coach that's clearly 483 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,680 got some really fascinating and and good things going and is 484 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,040 still very young at, which is why I think he's drawn so much 485 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520 attention from so many people in terms of his potential as being 486 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,600 the head IU basketball coach, especially when you factor in 487 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,960 the ties from him being here previously. 488 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:53,440 Yes, So I mean, I, I guess no, I had had we had he not signed 489 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,920 that extension and we were doing this, my ending number would 490 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,200 have been in like the mid 80s. I, I think he'd be a really good 491 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,640 coaching option. I mean, the only thing you can 492 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,280 knock him for is it took him, you know, the first four years 493 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,880 of Florida Atlantic are just kind of nothing special. 494 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,040 But as you said, it's a really bad program. 495 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,080 It took him some time. It's hard to say. 496 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,320 Why did it take you so long to turn around Florida Atlantic? 497 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,480 Like he turned it around and then he had some very high level 498 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,600 success. And yeah, he's thus far he's 499 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000 look like he's been able to do it at Michigan. 500 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,360 You know, I'm trying to think of like another comparison, you 501 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,600 know, like this is not not the perfect comp. 502 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,760 Like Andy Enfeld went from Florida Gulf Coast, had some 503 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,640 high level success at Florida Gulf Coast only two years, had 504 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,400 some, you know, by year three and four had some good success 505 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240 at USC and then it kind of flamed out. 506 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,200 That would be the concern or the other concern is it seems to be 507 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,280 with Michigan, guys can come in like Jawan Howard have really 508 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,160 early success and then it's hard to keep it going in Michigan. 509 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000 Maybe that is more Michigan than the coach, but you know, it's I 510 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,480 I would take a step back and just say this. 511 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,440 We don't know Dusty May at all, but everything lines up. 512 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,920 If you're Dusty May and you're from Greenfield and you were a 513 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,200 manager at IU. If you wanted this job and this 514 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,840 was the job you wanted, you know, you can probably read the 515 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,520 tea leaves and realize like Woodson's in some hot last year. 516 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,840 You could have been like Woodson's in some hot water, you 517 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,480 know, maybe I if, if this is the only job you really want, maybe 518 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800 you don't go to the Big 10. Maybe you stay at Florida 519 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,920 Atlantic one more year and see see what's available. 520 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,880 Maybe you, you have a feeling Woodson might be able to go if 521 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,040 you wanted the IU job this year. You just don't sign the 522 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,600 extension. You just it's an uncomfortable 523 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,920 couple of weeks and you take it. Now I, I have no idea if 524 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,320 Indiana's offered it to him, but I just, I do wonder in the 525 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,640 little rumors I've heard as as the may thing was going on was 526 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,280 that it's possible he didn't want to deal with being in the 527 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,680 Indiana, you know, being that close to family. 528 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,000 Maybe that is a case. But from a basketball point of 529 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,600 view, it looks like a really good fit. 530 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,320 I mean, the numbers are good and he's showing he can turn things 531 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,080 around quickly at a Big 10 school. 532 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,960 Yeah, no, I mean, you look at the numbers, we've got them up 533 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,120 on the screen here for those of you watching along. 534 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,360 I mean, Dusty May checks a ton of boxes in terms of being a 535 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,400 coach that embraces and and clearly understands kind of the 536 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,000 modern game. Offensively speaking. 537 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,640 His teams have always played kind of at the very least a 538 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,640 medium tempo. This year they're playing very 539 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,480 fast that he's he's done a great job of of forging a defensive 540 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,120 identity on this team the same way he forged one on the Florida 541 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,160 Atlantic team that went to the final. 4 field goal and they're 542 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240 they're shooting better and better as he as he goes along 543 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,280 with his coaching. Yeah, that that's that, that's 544 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,920 been the big thing that's carried over. 545 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,000 And you know, he had some advantages. 546 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,600 He brought Vlad Golden with him from Florida Atlantic, didn't 547 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,320 bring Janelle Davis because of course Michigan has the worst 548 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,920 transfer policies for athletes in the country. 549 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,080 But there's a lot to like, especially offensively. 550 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,240 And yet also if you look at defensively what he's been able 551 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680 to do, it's almost more impressive at Michigan. 552 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,680 Like you go, if you look Emma, change the view here if you go 553 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,560 to the Michigan historical page, like if you look at what fell 554 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,440 off that that 2021 team that Juwan Howard had that was a one 555 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,800 seed and made it to the elite 8. Like that was an elite team on 556 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,120 both sides of the ball. Top it was they were ninth in 557 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,560 the country and offensive efficiency. 558 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,160 They were fourth in defensive efficiency. 559 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,360 They fell off pretty quickly after that. 560 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,560 And then last year they just stopped playing defense. 561 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,600 And the fact that Dusty May was able to take a combination of 562 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,840 those players, new players, and forge them into a group that was 563 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,400 able to play at the level they've played so far this 564 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,760 season is really impressive. And yes, they have fallen off, 565 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,440 but I think people they don't realize how bad that team was 566 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,480 last year and how how bad the culture had gotten under Juwan 567 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,440 Howard And also what a resurrection job this has been. 568 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Yes, you know, Michigan has been winning a lot of games by the 569 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,480 skin of their teeth, but they've been winning them. 570 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,280 They've made good plays in the final minutes. 571 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,920 They've eked out some games. This is not going to be looked 572 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,320 at, I think, historically as a as one of the strongest teams 573 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,840 that Michigan ever had. It's a really great coaching 574 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,640 job. You know, the, the thing with 575 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,600 May and you know, you, you never know with people like how they 576 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600 fit in personality wise to places. 577 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,640 Is it a situation where Dusty May was waiting for the IU job 578 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,240 and then the moment passed because IU didn't move on from 579 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,880 Woodson last year and and now he's found a home at Michigan. 580 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,520 That's possible. I mean, this happens all the 581 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320 time and, and there's a variety of reasons for it. 582 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,680 And, and I think it's important to keep in mind like the the 583 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,560 draw of the alma mater is sometimes very strong, but 584 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,520 sometimes it's just like, I want to get to a program like that 585 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,120 and make it my own without the baggage of coaching the team 586 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,280 that I grew up rooting for and work for and have been most 587 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,800 closely aligned with in terms of my professional career. 588 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,760 Bob Knight is a great example of that where, you know, it's like 589 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240 that guy was from Ohio, he went to Ohio State. 590 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,240 And when, you know, I mean, when Fred Taylor retired or when I 591 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,800 think it was Eldon Miller perhaps in the 80s, left the, 592 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360 the question for a long time was, will Bob Knight leave 593 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,040 Indiana and go back to Ohio State? 594 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,200 And he never did, in part because it's like, well, why do 595 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,600 I need to go to Ohio State when I can do everything that I want 596 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,760 to do at the place that I'm at? Is that Dusty Maystock or, or 597 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,480 does Dusty may really want the IU job? 598 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,080 And the timing just hasn't worked out. 599 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,760 And, and it's for those of you in the audience who have grown 600 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,440 to appreciate this at the sliding doors moment for both 601 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,000 parties. Hard to say. 602 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560 I'm sure there are people that know we haven't heard Dusty May 603 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,520 go on the record other than to say he really likes being at 604 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,200 Michigan, which is fair. So there will always be, I think 605 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 kind of a question mark in the back of people's heads about 606 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,160 whether or not this would have been a marriage that would have 607 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,720 worked. And I think that that's a really 608 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,360 good, you know, thing to keep in mind because ultimately you can 609 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,960 win a national title at Michigan. 610 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,160 You can be successful there. And if if that's where Dusty May 611 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,320 is AT and they are a consistently very good team for 612 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640 a long period of time, it puts that much more pressure on 613 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,360 whoever the the new coach is for IU as well as the athletic 614 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760 department. Because it's like if you could 615 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,280 have figured out a way to get that guy there, what a dynamite 616 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,480 hire if he can do it in Michigan because it's essentially the 617 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880 same kind of set up with the same kind of revenue structure 618 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,760 and arguably a better recruiting pathway with IU. 619 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,240 And yet he's there at Michigan. So it'll be an interesting thing 620 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,640 to watch moving forward, and I'm not. 621 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,720 Still not written. I'm not I'm not here to knock on 622 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Dusty May. But you look at again, Juwan 623 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,960 Howard had a came out the gate quick and then had a hard time 624 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800 keeping up. You look at another, you know, 625 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,040 like Chris Holtman, you know, went to a football school in 626 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,360 Ohio State, had a couple of you know, went to round two. 627 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800 Round two had a one seed. I think one, one or two seed 628 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560 didn't make it, but had a, you know, not great tournament 629 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,320 success. He's now at DePaul with A2 and 630 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,400 16 conference record. Well, I you're right, although 631 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,320 I'll note that Juwan Howard took over a team that had been in the 632 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,920 previous four years had been at a 23 wins first round, 26 wins, 633 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:13,120 Sweet 1633 wins, national runner up and then thirty wins, Sweet 634 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,280 16. And you know, Howard in his 635 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,680 first year would have made the tournament. 636 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,480 They were 19 and 12 that year, but that was the COVID year and 637 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,560 then elite 8 and then Sweet 16 and then no tournament and then 638 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,280 no tournament and a losing record. 639 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,680 So it's you're right in that Howard came out of the gate 640 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,760 quickly, but had a lot more solid base to go off of. 641 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Then what May did is, is I think what's made him stick out to me 642 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,160 the most is how effective he's proven in such a short period of 643 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,080 time. Is it sustainable? 644 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880 It's hard to say. But all the returns are there. 645 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,600 And for a guy who's not even going to be 50 years old at the 646 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,000 start of this upcoming season, Michigan may have found their 647 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,320 coach for the next 15 years, which is depressing when it's a 648 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,600 guy from the IU circle. But it's also possible that 649 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Dusty May didn't want to come back to IU. 650 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,280 We don't know there. It'll be interesting to see how 651 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,640 all this plays out moving forward. 652 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,080 Yeah, agree. So anyway, let's move on to our 653 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,560 next. So, so where, where, Where are 654 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,400 you? Where are you? 655 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,520 I can't feel like we. I almost feel like we can't make 656 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,080 a number here. If, if honestly, if Dusty was 657 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,760 hired, he would be right up. Yeah, at at almost basically the 658 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,960 exact same level, maybe slightly higher because of the local ties 659 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,000 and the fact we know he understands IU basketball. 660 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,200 I would have him ranked higher than either TJ Otzelberger or 661 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,240 Scott Drew simply because of that. 662 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Because I think this is where like the trade off of potential 663 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,880 versus realized success. Yeah. 664 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,360 You know, I mean, the fact that they're all relatively similar 665 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920 ages, but Dusty May is one of ours. 666 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,160 I think that there would have been more excitement there. 667 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,400 It would have been probably a 90, you know, because there is, 668 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,360 as you said, there's a, it's not 100% slam dunk that it 669 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,520 absolutely would have worked, but gosh, it looked like it 670 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,720 would have worked. I would be even higher now 671 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,960 because you're really sticking it to Michigan now after all 672 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,000 this. Like they signed the extension. 673 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,080 They're probably thinking they're all good. 674 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080 Michigan fans are like you fans What? 675 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,520 And then it's like boom, and we got them. 676 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,040 But I I don't think it's going to happen. 677 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,120 So it's going to be an incomplete. 678 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,600 I'd be like if they got them. This also is like 94 because 679 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,000 it's like you can just shove it to Michigan. 680 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240 Yeah, that would have been nice, but it doesn't look like it's 681 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,560 going to happen. So anyway, we'll we'll keep an 682 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,640 eye on it. But yeah, that way I would have 683 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,360 been very excited if they had hired Dusty May. 684 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,760 Yeah, it's just, it's I, I will always wonder. 685 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,440 I mean, it depends how Dusty, you know, Dusty may doesn't do 686 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,480 well. It's like I don't care less. 687 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,640 But if he becomes, he has a John Beeline type run, I'll be 688 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,200 annoyed and depressed. I will always wonder, you know, 689 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,400 was it just ships passing in the night or was it a situation 690 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,320 where Dusty really didn't want it? 691 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Or is it possible Indiana just didn't want it either? 692 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,920 Because I mean, it was pretty obvious when he made the final 693 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,160 four run at Ford Atlantic's. All right, this this guy's going 694 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000 to get a job. And you know, that was the year 695 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,320 Indiana had a four seed. So you couldn't be looking that 696 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,320 way. But you mean you, you have a 697 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,600 coach who's 63 at that time. You don't make the tournament. 698 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,200 You know, it's it if you really, if you're Indiana, you really 699 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,719 want to get that is like 100% your candidate feels like last 700 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,199 year could have been a year. You could have made it. 701 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,400 Just I will always wonder who. And again, maybe it maybe it was 702 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,000 neither side, but it did. Did one side not want the other 703 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,920 or was it literally just ships passing in the night? 704 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,840 Never, never. Let's move on to our next 705 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,239 candidate that we're going to talk about today. 706 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,080 Let's go to Grant Mccasland. So this is a name that's that's 707 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,679 popped up a decent amount. This is, of course, the coach at 708 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,400 Texas Tech 49 at the start of the upcoming season and a name 709 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,440 that's been getting more attention because of how well 710 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,040 his Texas Tech team has been playing on the national stage. 711 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,960 They're 7th and Ken Palm right now with a 22 and 7 record and 712 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,040 the 9th most deficient offense in college basketball. 713 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,719 Mccasland, another one of those coaches, has had an interesting 714 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440 pathway over the course of his career. 715 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,320 He's 295 in Division One, which is a 678 win percentage. 716 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,960 His career was Arkansas State head coach, then North Texas 717 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,440 head coach, and then he gets hired at Texas Tech a couple of 718 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,720 years ago after Chris Beard. Sorry, not Chris Beard. 719 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,280 It was Mark Adams that was there. 720 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,160 The Mark Adams experiment kind of deteriorates in year 2. 721 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,120 Mccaslin comes in immediately, gets the team back to the NCAA 722 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,760 tournament. Now they look like they're in 723 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,680 line for a top two, maybe top three seed in the tournament. 724 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,200 He, this is a really accomplished coach and this is a 725 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,600 guy that as I dug into a little bit more, became more impressed 726 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,840 than even when I first started looking at his materials. 727 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160 I'm going to call up his Ken Pom page here so people can see. 728 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,160 You know, one of the things that was really fascinating about 729 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,360 Mccaslin is that at North Texas, he really took that North Texas 730 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,960 program and made them something very special. 731 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,280 Much as with Dusty May, where it's like you have to evaluate 732 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,280 the the the nature of his accomplishments at Florida 733 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400 Atlantic in the context of what had come before, prior to taking 734 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,400 over at Florida Atlantic. You know, that program under 735 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,280 Dusty or prior to Dusty may have had three winning seasons in its 736 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,320 entire Division One history and he takes them all the way to a 737 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,120 national or to a final four with North Texas. 738 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,120 I mean, that is that is a school that has had, I would say, 739 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,280 uneven history of success in terms of their overall, you 740 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,200 know, abilities. Johnny Jones got them to a 741 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,680 couple of tournaments, but that's not a program that's 742 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,480 normally in the upper reaches of whatever conference it's in. 743 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:34,760 While Mccaslin was there, they they won 2021, 2018, 25 and 31 744 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,560 games. It was really, really impressive 745 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,760 what he was able to accomplish during his time there. 746 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520 And then, you know, you look at Texas Tech and he's actually 747 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,400 gotten, I think, better at several important areas. 748 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,440 He played very slow, very methodical at North Texas. 749 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,160 He speed up his offense a bit. His teams have become more 750 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,320 efficient on both sides of the ball and seems like a guy with a 751 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,840 lot of potential as he moves forward into wherever his career 752 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,760 takes him. So I mean, here's the thing, he 753 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,880 fits. We've talked about like, you 754 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,440 know, the signetti higher in the Signetti mold. 755 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,080 This is a guy who has not had a losing season. 756 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,040 So you can play the Google me. I just win. 757 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,680 He has winning seasons. You know, he's at Midland 758 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,920 College, he wins an NJCAA Division One championship in 759 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,640 O6O7, goes to Midwestern State, goes to two Division 2 Elite 760 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,760 Eights, wins at Arkansas State, goes to North Texas. 761 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,960 You said turns it around and seems to be turning around Texas 762 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,440 Tech. The more I dug into it, the more 763 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,200 interested and excited I got. Looking at these stats, this 764 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,320 looks like kind of all of the prototypes that you would want 765 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,440 it. Someone who has head coaching 766 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,520 experience, someone who has experience turning around 767 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040 program, someone who has experience winning in tournament 768 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,880 settings, albeit not the NCAA tournament, but at other, you 769 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,360 know, at the only level you can play. 770 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,240 I will also note this, you go to his Wikipedia page. 771 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,520 It's very slim, not a lot of information, but under personal 772 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,200 life. He's married, they have four 773 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160 children, and they also own 6 miniature donkeys. 774 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,760 You want to talk about something that threw me off when I was 775 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,000 doing my research like I that one, that one really came out of 776 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,600 nowhere. 6 miniature donkeys I. Mean, you know, we could bring 777 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,680 back like big heads and have like the donkeys in the crowd. 778 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,800 It all writes itself. It's. 779 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,160 Great, there's some land in Bloomington. 780 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,360 Let's go. I guess My, my, this got me 781 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,520 thinking like I don't have AI, don't have a problem where. 782 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,520 I mean, I guess he owns 10 acres in Lubbock and they've got their 783 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,400 miniature donkeys there. Is there a? 784 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,240 Dyson, would you feel better? Would you like I'm in. 785 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,960 I was got me thinking like what? Every coach has got their 786 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,960 quirks. That's a relatively small 1. 787 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,640 You know, it's like if a person owned 10 golden retrievers. 788 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,520 That's a little bit strange, but it's it's understandable. 789 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,160 You just really like dogs. What's the oddest animal that 790 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,600 you could plausibly own 6 of where it wouldn't like 791 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,840 disqualify you from a major coaching job? 792 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,680 Like if you owned a bunch of capybaras, would that would that 793 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,680 be a problem? That would be like, we can't 794 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,720 hire that guy because he's got this like happy bar ownership 795 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,400 addiction that we don't know what to do with. 796 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,080 What would what would be your interpretation? 797 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,240 I'm just thinking of like random. 798 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,480 Like if you own like 12 Stingrays, like I said, I need 799 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,840 to have like a 20 gallon, like a 200 gallon. 800 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,600 One of my favorite movies from the 80s is the movie 2010 the 801 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,760 year or you're you're We made Contact, I think it's called. 802 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,160 It's the sequel to 2001. A lot of people didn't like it 803 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,720 because it was not Stanley Kubrick directing it. 804 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,480 Anyway, Heywood Floyd in that movie is played by Roy 805 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,240 Schneider. And you know, Roy Schneider's 806 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,880 character has like he's no longer leading the National 807 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,560 Space Administration and he's instead like the chancellor to 808 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,320 university. And they live in this house and 809 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040 they've got a, a pool in the house where they have pet 810 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,840 dolphins that just like swim up to the, the, the, the, the 811 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,280 dining room table and they like throw them fish and stuff like 812 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,880 that. I always think about that 813 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,800 because, you know, I don't know many people that have pet 814 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,360 dolphin tanks. I actually think that there's 815 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,960 probably a law against that. But for whatever reason, this 816 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,920 made me think of that. It's like this guy just randomly 817 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,040 has has miniature donkeys on his property. 818 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,760 To answer your question, I'd be if he had like, you know, 7 819 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,240 Bengal tigers because that's always what drug dealers have. 820 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,720 Like what is this guy into? Like why does he own like? 821 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,400 12 Bengal tigers like that seems a little bit odd. 822 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,560 It is. Have you ever been to the Exotic 823 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,240 Feline rescue center out 46? I have. 824 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,240 So if you for those who haven't been an counselor at YMCA, we 825 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,920 did that as a as a field trip one year. 826 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,200 We took all the kids there. It was actually a lot of fun. 827 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,640 You know, it's great. It's a really great set up. 828 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,040 And if if for those of you who. You live in Indiana and haven't 829 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,760 been out there. If you drive out 46 like before 830 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,320 you get to Indiana, 59 like past past Bowling Green, but before 831 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,160 you get to where you would turn if you were going to go up to 832 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,280 like, you know, Brazil IN, there's an exotic feline rescue 833 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,440 center. And if you haven't taken that 834 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,960 tour, it's fascinating because you know, you'll go through and 835 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,880 they've got all these tigers and lions and these other exotic 836 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920 felines and they'll talk about how they got them. 837 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,520 And most of the time, like you just said, it is a drug dealer 838 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,240 like owned like 3 tigers and then they got arrested and like, 839 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,080 well, where do you take the tigers at that point? 840 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,880 Obviously owning miniature donkeys is not like that. 841 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,800 But it is a fascinating thing that that this is a thing. 842 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,360 His Wikipedia page. I just, I just think that's, 843 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,360 that's amazing. Wow, There's nothing else there. 844 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,520 I mean, like there's there's very little text. 845 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,760 It's all just records and it's like, yeah, Minister Donkeys. 846 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,360 I've been looking for more of an explanation on that, if once we 847 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,480 find it we'll get it back to you folks, but I can't. 848 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,960 Wait to hear, you know, if he gets hired, him and Don Fisher 849 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,000 talking about donkeys, you know, how how's the donkey feed, you 850 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,880 know, is, is Joe Exotic going to become an Indiana basketball fan 851 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,880 like we don't know here. Here's the question I have for 852 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,400 you, man. I was looking it up, I kind of 853 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,480 stopped my research at the donkeys because I got very 854 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,080 intrigued by that. So I apologize for the dumb 855 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,960 question. I'm looking at his Ken Pom page 856 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,000 as well. Why didn't North Texas make the 857 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,520 tournament in 23? What am I missing They? 858 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,600 Lost in the second round of the Conference USA tournament. 859 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,680 And the problem, the problem they had was that they just 860 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,880 didn't have any good wins. I went back and looked at this 861 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,520 like, if you look at like they were 31 and seven and a lot of 862 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,400 people thought they were going to make it the 31. 863 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,760 Seven's kind of a misconception because they won. 864 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,080 They, they, I think it was not the NIT, I think it was the CBI. 865 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680 They, so they padded with five additional wins. 866 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,280 And but if you look at the what they did over the course of the 867 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,400 season, like their best wins on the season were against UAB. 868 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,200 They actually played UAB four times. 869 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,880 They beat them on the road, they beat them at home. 870 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,040 They lost to them in the Conference USA tournament and 871 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,040 they beat them in the championship. 872 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,400 And so that's why you, you had that situation where they didn't 873 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,440 make the tournament because they just got bounced too early and 874 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,200 they didn't have enough on their, their resume to overcome 875 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,440 that. But it, it's one of those things 876 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,960 where, and it was, it was the CBI or no, I'm sorry, it was the 877 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,640 NIT. It was not the CBI. 878 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,320 So they won the NIT. No, sorry, I screwed up again, 879 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,880 you know. Ken Palm says NIT on there. 880 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,760 I know that that's, that's my fault on the, on the research. 881 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,600 Anyway, point being what you've got with this situation with 882 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,640 with them, they won the, they won the CBI at North Texas in 883 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,480 2018. They won the NIT in 23. 884 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,360 So he actually won both, He's won two major tournaments. 885 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,800 Take that Ben McCollum. He's, you know, he won both the 886 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,040 CBI and the NIT and then it's. A donkey every time he wins a 887 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,320 title, that's that's his rule. But this kind of it highlights 888 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,120 to some degree how difficult it can be to coach at a place like 889 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:46,160 North Texas in like Conference USA where you are kind of riding 890 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,760 the line of you can win a lot of games if you're a good team, but 891 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,240 you may not be playing a lot of top teams. 892 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,640 And that creates a lot of problems in terms of making it 893 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,200 in the NCAA tournament. So I think that was the 894 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,160 situation there. When you can't blame him for 895 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,280 scheduling too, because nobody wants to play those teams like 896 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,240 it's right. It's a tough place schedule. 897 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,600 No I everything here I like. The only thing that again pops 898 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,640 out is and it seems to be this is the offseason of slow pace 899 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,720 coaches like again, his pace in a touch to tempo is unbelievably 900 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,120 slow. It got slower at North Texas, 901 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,240 it's getting slower at Texas Tech. 902 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,080 It feels like it comes in and just slows everything down. 903 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,280 So that would be something to look at. 904 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,760 But his offense has, you know, it's a well run offense. 905 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,800 It has good shooting. So it, it isn't what we would 906 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,640 expect. Like we saw with Archie where 907 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,560 the defense slows everything down, but the offense is also 908 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,960 kind of a mess. Like just looking at the 909 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,280 numbers, it's a very efficient offense. 910 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,880 It it runs very well. Just he runs a slow pace. 911 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,920 It's not going to be a running gun type team. 912 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,880 I'm a with you on that. I mean, I think this is one of 913 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,440 those guys who I I look at what he did tempo wise at at North 914 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,040 Texas and I say to myself, well, that looks like a circumstantial 915 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,280 thing perhaps. And the fact they're not running 916 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,000 that slow. And this is my this is my issue 917 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200 with McCollum. It's like Mccollum's clearly 918 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,640 choosing to play this slow at Drake in his first year. 919 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,160 That could change down the road. And maybe it's just a product of 920 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,080 circumstance, but it wasn't like it wasn't like Mccaslin came out 921 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,920 of the gates doing that at North Texas. 922 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,720 So I think it's going to be interesting kind of keeping an 923 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,120 eye on how all that meters out. I think this guy's got a lot of 924 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,560 potential. We've heard a lot though, that 925 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,240 he's not leaving the state of Texas. 926 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,400 He's a Baylor alum, which if you connect the dots to some of our 927 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,720 earlier podcasts, is an interesting aspect. 928 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,120 These are the kinds of things I think we're going to keep an eye 929 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,200 on. I would be surprised if Mccaslin 930 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,600 ended up being the higher, but if he was the higher and we 931 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,440 could find a place for the miniature donkey, I would be on 932 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,680 board with it because he's this guy's got a lot of the 933 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,480 fingerprints of a guy who can recruit at a high level. 934 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,720 His teams play really hard. Texas Tech is not the hardest 935 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,320 thing. We should just start putting out 936 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,320 stories like I've heard from a source that one of my class on 937 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:05,080 the donkeys is named Cheney. Or Bailey. 938 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,840 Yeah, I like that. Just just get like, Steven, get 939 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,200 Goodman on the horn, start planting stories like that. 940 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,000 I'll see what I can do. I'll work on that. 941 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,280 That's hilarious. I love that. 942 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,240 I come away really interested. I like everything about it. 943 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,080 But you're right, everything in Meigs Texas. 944 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,160 But you know, guys we just talked about with Knight, he's I 945 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,960 mean Ohio and Indiana right next to other. 946 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,120 But you, you know, you are where you are forever until you're not 947 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,920 and then you go somewhere. I mean, Scott Drew was Midwest 948 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,480 his whole career and then goes to Baylor and now he's a Texas 949 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,760 guy. So I would be probably like a 79 950 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,360 to an 80 on this just because it, it kind of checks all the 951 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,320 boxes of what we would want. Somebody who has experience, 952 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,360 who's wanted other levels and he's he's got miniature donkeys, 953 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,320 so I'm in. Let's go to our last two real 954 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,120 quick. Oh, my number on him. 955 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,880 I'd be a, I'd be a 65, maybe 70. Like it'd be excited. 956 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,240 I wouldn't be as excited as the names there. 957 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,000 Yeah, it's, it's a it's good all the way around. 958 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,120 Like it would be one of those slightly off the board hires, 959 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,760 but would be the kind of of person that you look at and 960 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840 you're like, oh, OK, I can see this working. 961 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,000 And you know, and there's an unlike for instance, Ben 962 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,000 McCollum, there's a long track record of success and high level 963 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,080 winning at a school that's above the mid major level. 964 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,120 You know, I was kind of look at Conference USA when North Texas 965 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,040 was in it as like being the one step below. 966 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,880 And it's actually where Dusty May did most of his work as 967 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,080 well. So anyway, let's go to our last 968 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,240 two candidates. We're going to get these 969 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,280 relatively quickly because I don't think either of them is 970 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,560 actually coming, but I do want to talk about them because their 971 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,080 names have been mentioned. One of them is Shaka Smart. 972 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:53,520 So Shaka Smart at Marquette and hold on a second here, having a 973 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,400 little bit of a, there we go, we're back. 974 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,040 Wait, a little bit of a of a loading issue there, but we're 975 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,480 good. But Shaka Smart has been talked 976 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,840 about quite a bit. And Shaka Smart, of course is a 977 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,880 guy that I think everybody in college basketball is very aware 978 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,000 and familiar with. Smart, of course, when he, you 979 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,680 know, he's, he's still very young. 980 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,320 He'll be 48 at the start of the upcoming college basketball 981 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,360 season. But it feels like he's been in 982 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,200 our lives forever because he kind of has started coaching as 983 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,200 the head coach at Virginia Commonwealth in 2010, got VCU to 984 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,920 a Final Four, which was a shock, as you know. 11 seed right? 985 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,800 Like 11 play in team I. Think as a play in team made the 986 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,560 tournament all of the remaining years that he was at VCU and 987 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,320 they were a very competitive team throughout that whole time 988 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000 and played a very up tempo style that was really attractive. 989 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,960 They were really, really hard defense team. 990 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,680 They played that havoc defense that that was the talk of the 991 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,880 town for a while. Gets hired by Texas to replace 992 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,240 Rick Barnes and it just doesn't work. 993 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,240 You know, they have a a string of disappointing seasons where, 994 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,600 you know, even with that they they're a three seed in 2021, 995 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,320 but then they lose in the first round of the tournament and they 996 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,360 essentially depart by mutual consent after six years because 997 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,080 it's just not working. He goes to Marquette and he's a 998 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,120 Milwaukee native. He's a you know, he's a Midwest 999 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,520 guy and seems to really have it rolling there in year 3. 1000 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,680 They I'm sorry, in they're in year 4 right now. 1001 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,600 Last year finally broke back through the second weekend 1002 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,280 barrier after many years of not making it out of the first 1003 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,640 weekend. They make it to a Sweet 16 at 1004 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,720 Marquette this year. His teams have been right around 1005 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,960 the fringes of the top 25 most of the season. 1006 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,880 It's a little bit of a weaker Big East this year, but they're 1007 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,280 22 and 7 and just a coach that's got a lot of intrigue around 1008 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,200 him. A guy that most people really 1009 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,680 respect in the business. It's just, A, there hasn't been 1010 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,960 the sustained tournament success and B, you go to Texas and you 1011 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,840 don't really make it work. That's a really big program. 1012 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,760 Marquette's a little more self-contained. 1013 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,640 You worry that you're looking at a coach kind of like Tom Crean, 1014 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,920 who's able to work it at one particular level where you've 1015 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,360 got some limitations on what you do when you work within those, 1016 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,960 as opposed to being able to work at a school like Texas or 1017 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,240 Indiana that has unlimited resources. 1018 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,800 But sometimes that can perversely make it harder to do 1019 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,480 your job because you've got the spotlight. 1020 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,280 There's there's higher expectations. 1021 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,440 This may be just a situation where Shaka just isn't quite 1022 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,160 built for this level and therefore he may not even be 1023 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,640 interested in looking at it. Again, what we'll keep kind of, 1024 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,520 you know, Smart won 100 games in 2013, still not as young as Bob 1025 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,640 Knight when he won 100 games. Just throwing that out there. 1026 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,680 Yes, for Shaka, it's all about that Texas time. 1027 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,040 What I thought is interesting looking at Texas when you dug 1028 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,840 into the numbers is as you said, he had the havoc defense at VCU 1029 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,840 but also had one of the fastest offenses or a very fast offense 1030 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,080 in tempo. You know, for a couple of years 1031 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,160 there mid level, I should say like one of the years of 22nd 1032 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,560 and tempo, but then he goes to Texas and it is three O 62123 1033 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,040 sixteen 3/22/92 1:46. That's rank in the nation in 1034 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,640 tempo. Just completely changes the 1035 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,440 tempo that they played and they were always in the top 100 at 1036 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,120 VCU. It's an odd thing to happen 1037 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,680 because for a team that plays a havoc quick style of defense and 1038 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,280 and played a relatively fast play pace, just go that slow was 1039 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,200 odd. He still had some pretty 1040 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,440 effective offenses and defenses there, but as you said, no real 1041 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,640 success. And now he gets to Marquette and 1042 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,320 here's the tempo numbers 25136 ninety 2175. 1043 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,280 He's kind of back to his VCU days. 1044 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,880 So it just begs the question like what happened to Texas? 1045 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,680 Like was did he come in? Was he was he pushed to do 1046 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,320 something he didn't want to do based on boosters or the based 1047 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,800 on the university? Did he try something different 1048 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,200 at that high level where, you know, where the resource not 1049 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,120 there it that's the question they want to ask Or the other 1050 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,600 way to look at it is maybe he learned his lesson. 1051 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,240 He went to the big leagues. He changed something. 1052 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:04,920 It didn't work. He's like, you know what? 1053 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,720 No, I got to stick to my guns. He's now sticking to his guns at 1054 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:08,920 Marquette. It's working. 1055 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,080 And now if you take him to the next level, it would now it 1056 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,160 would really work and it would, you know, be be a home run. 1057 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,600 So I think that's the question you have to ask is like what 1058 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,320 happened to Texas? Why was the pace so different 1059 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,440 and why didn't it work? Yeah, it's a it's a great 1060 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,160 question. And I think ultimately a lot of 1061 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,080 it really just comes down to I just don't think it was a good 1062 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,160 cultural fit. Yeah, you know, and, and 1063 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,360 sometimes you get that. Sometimes it just doesn't work. 1064 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,400 And, you know, Marquette loves him. 1065 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,800 He he seems to fit really well there. 1066 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,200 It's what makes me think he isn't really a legitimate 1067 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,840 candidate for the IU job because even though it's a lot closer 1068 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,480 culturally to what he's probably used to. 1069 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,840 And certainly IU at its core cares about basketball 1070 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,000 historically a lot more than they care about football. 1071 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,160 Whereas Texas is the alternate or the OR the the opposite of 1072 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,640 that. I just wonder, you know, if he's 1073 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,800 there at Marquette now and it's rolling for him, why would you 1074 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,680 look to go to Indiana? Where is a possibility? 1075 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,400 It might not work out. And again, it's like sometimes 1076 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,320 you'll get guys who can coach really well at a VCU or a 1077 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,440 Marquette, which Marquette a major program. 1078 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,000 But the Big East is not a power conference. 1079 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,760 And, and there's a big difference in your your budgets. 1080 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,040 You're recruiting like what you're doing. 1081 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,920 You're at a private school. So you've got some different 1082 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,600 things going on there. But he's a really fascinated 1083 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,120 candidate and he's clearly, and he's clearly not a bad coach. 1084 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,520 I think the question was that he loses fastball at Texas. 1085 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,440 That's to me clearly not the case because he's gotten it up 1086 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,760 and running at Marquette very quickly. 1087 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,040 When you mentioned the the private school, like he signed 1088 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,680 an extension after he signed a contract in 2021 in six years 1089 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,720 signed an extension, but the financial details of the 1090 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,040 contract aren't just being disclosed at their private 1091 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,560 university. So they're not. 1092 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,080 So I don't even know what his buyout is or what his contract 1093 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,400 is. But yeah, it does. 1094 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,280 It also feels like if there's not a lot of smoke around this 1095 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,880 one and it feels like if this was where we were going there 1096 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,640 be. But again, IU doesn't talk a 1097 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,760 lot. So maybe it is maybe it is 1098 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,680 there. I mean, I, I think it's just 1099 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:09,120 that, that Texas question of was it just a bad cultural fit or is 1100 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,680 it that, that next level he's having trouble with? 1101 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,040 And I I don't know. I mean, I, I kind of lean 1102 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,200 towards the latter and Texas, I think, I think people 1103 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,120 interpreted a lot of Rick Barnes failures as Rick Barnes problems 1104 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,440 when it might have been Texas. I mean, because if you go back 1105 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,200 and look at the history of Texas basketball, what what Rick 1106 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,520 Barnes did at Texas is pretty unprecedented. 1107 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,320 And the fact that chalk is smart hasn't really gotten it going. 1108 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,560 The fact that, you know, Rodney Terry hasn't really gotten it 1109 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,240 going and he may get fired there, you know, Texas is not. 1110 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,240 What you said with Indiana, like all Indiana coaches have not had 1111 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,080 success afterwards. You look at like Rick Barnes 1112 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,120 doing just fine, Shaka Smart doing just fine. 1113 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,640 It's like you, you. This coach isn't in the equation 1114 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:49,400 there. Right. 1115 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,560 Yeah. And and so I, I will wonder 1116 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,640 about that as we move forward, but that's essentially where 1117 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,440 we're at with things so. I would anyway. 7073 or 74? 1118 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,280 I'd be at like a 65 because I just just, I think I respect the 1119 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,080 hell out of Shaka as a coach and I'd love to have them running my 1120 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,240 program. I but I do think they'll be 1121 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:13,120 better answers out there. And, and if it and it there's no 1122 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,400 shame, there would be no shame in hiring Shaka smart. 1123 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,000 I think most people be like, oh, Shaka wants to give it another 1124 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,240 go with the highest level and IU believes in him. 1125 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,760 But I also think like, well, we, we've already hired 1 coach from 1126 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,200 Marquette that had struggled to have success at the highest 1127 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,000 levels after he got hired here. That might be a slight bridge 1128 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000 too far given all the other equations. 1129 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000 So anyway, last one we want to hit and we'll do this in 1130 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,640 relatively quickly. Todd Golden. 1131 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,760 Todd Golden, currently the head coach of the the very much on 1132 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,760 fire, yeah, Florida Gators. He's only going to be 40 years 1133 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,600 old at the start of the upcoming season. 1134 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,840 He's 120 and 68 in his career, 638 win percentage. 1135 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,440 He's 32 and 19 so far in the SEC, only an O and two 1136 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,520 tournament record. But what we're watching right 1137 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,840 now is a coach who's just finally starting to get it going 1138 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,720 at Florida. He was at San Francisco for 1139 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:09,040 three years, went to an NCAA tournament at San Francisco 16 1140 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,160 and 17. His first year at Florida, 24 1141 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,480 and 12:00. Last year they made the 1142 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,200 tournament and then of course this year their 4th and Ken Palm 1143 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,800 25 and 4 right there in the mix for a two seed, maybe even a one 1144 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,440 seed in the NCAA tournament. Like they they're going to play 1145 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,280 at Alabama on Wednesday of this week. 1146 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,120 Really checks a ton of boxes in terms of the type of attractive 1147 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,960 basketball that I like to see. Scott, and that's not a surprise 1148 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,640 because he's a Bruce Pearl assistant worked, you know, for, 1149 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,880 for Pearl for a while. He's he's just an interesting 1150 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,000 character in general. There, there is an asterisk 1151 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,560 there, which is, of course, he was very publicly the subject of 1152 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,480 a Title 9 investigation that was launched back in October 1153 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,080 involving allegations of of stalking and inappropriate 1154 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,320 behavior. Now he was cleared of the Title 1155 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,800 9 investigation. Florida dropped that. 1156 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,960 The question there is, you know, for those who understand how 1157 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,640 Title 9 allegations work, like he kind of got screwed and that 1158 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,680 those are supposed to be private and these were these were 1159 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,040 allegations that were then leaked by the accusers to media 1160 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,320 in Gainesville and elsewhere. He was cleared of that. 1161 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,680 You know, Title 9 investigations only really apply to things that 1162 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,240 are happening in the college environment. 1163 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,960 Was there untoward stuff that happened outside of that? 1164 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,760 It's not totally clear from looking at the reports. 1165 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,760 It's a very murky situation, so there's a little bit of a cloud 1166 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,080 there. But at the end of the day, he 1167 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,840 was cleared by Florida on the Title 9 front, and that's really 1168 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,960 all we have to go off of. Everything else about what 1169 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,960 they're doing on the court really checks a ton of boxes as 1170 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,720 he has taken a Florida program that had kind of fallen by the 1171 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,160 wayside a little bit in terms of the successes they had had under 1172 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,360 Billy Donovan. Mike White kind of petered out 1173 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,520 there, ended up leaving. Now he's the coach of Georgia, 1174 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,680 and it seems like Golden's gotten them right back to where 1175 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,240 they were like 15 years ago. Yeah. 1176 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,040 I mean, it's the title nine thing is just an asterisk there 1177 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,680 that you have to mention it, but he was cleared. 1178 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,000 It doesn't look good, but it's like we don't know what to what 1179 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,840 to make of that. Just putting that you have to 1180 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,080 put that aside. Not that it doesn't matter, but 1181 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,640 you put that aside and the coaching wise it looks 1182 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,640 fantastic. I mean, it looks like this guy 1183 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,120 is going to be a great coach. He's turned it around quickly at 1184 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,800 Florida. I mean, only two tournaments, 1185 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,480 not a ton of, you know, not a ton to go off of. 1186 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,360 But again, as we've mentioned, you look at a lot of the best 1187 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,120 coaches in the in college game right now, not a lot of them had 1188 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,560 like unbelievable tournament success or even head coaching 1189 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,080 experience to go off of. A lot of times the guys who have 1190 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,560 those one hits where they make a final four, it doesn't always 1191 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,120 work out that way. Or even a lead 8. 1192 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,000 I'm looking at you Tom Crean and Archie Miller. 1193 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,880 So everything here points to a guy who's going to have a great 1194 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,560 career. This also feels to me similar to 1195 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,440 like a Nate Oates where like he landed in a spot that has a ton 1196 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,680 of money, has a ton of resources, and they're just 1197 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,000 probably going to pay off the nose to keep them there. 1198 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,000 And this is this is a a program that has, you know, more recent 1199 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,240 success than even Nate Oates at Alabama with, you know, you 1200 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,640 know, Alabama, not really historical. 1201 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,480 I mean, Florida, a football school, but they have two 1202 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,120 back-to-back titles under Bill O'gonoman. 1203 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,160 They know how to get that infrastructure rolling when they 1204 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,400 want to get it rolling. They probably know what they 1205 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,160 have. I have no idea what his 1206 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,240 contractor buyout is. But again, this just feels very 1207 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,560 much like it's going to be hard to pry him away from Florida, 1208 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,120 much like you're going to see NATO is probably not going to be 1209 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,200 pride away from Alabama. So that that's kind of my take 1210 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,920 is this, this looks awesome. This looks like something that's 1211 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,800 unattainable and we probably missed out because this is just 1212 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,480 one. You know, you should have hired 1213 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,440 him in 2022. There's no way IU was in a 1214 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,120 position to do this. This is one of those where it's 1215 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,840 just it's not, it was never going to be in the cards for IU 1216 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,680 and Golden to to sync up. It feels like. 1217 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,280 Yeah. I mean, I think you're right. 1218 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,040 It's a really good point. I mean, again, you just said it. 1219 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,120 Florida's won two national titles. 1220 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,600 Since the last time IU made a Final four and and you know, 1221 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,000 it's just it doesn't seem like why would you leave Florida? 1222 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,200 Who has proven that they'll support basketball that you can 1223 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,400 recruit down there like all of that and you're already you're 1224 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,520 already there, you're already having success. 1225 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,920 Why go anywhere, I think would be the operative question. 1226 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,840 But he'd be, again, a name that had been popped up a few times 1227 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,000 that we wanted to, to at least try to tackle as he's clearly a 1228 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,240 very good coach. And we'll see what happens with 1229 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,000 his career moving forward. But I don't think that his 1230 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,760 career is going to coincide with being at Indiana. 1231 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,800 So give me a number. I mean, I, I, I would be, I'd 1232 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,360 be, I'd be 485. I'd be very high. 1233 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,840 I'd be, I'd be about a 75 only because of the slight cloud over 1234 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,360 the weirdness around the title nine thing. 1235 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,000 But in terms of on court like that, he's right there in that 1236 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,200 same mix with those top guys. So I'll go exact same number 1237 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,840 with you then. So I, I agree with the the off 1238 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,520 court, but on the court it's in the mid 80s. 1239 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,720 Yeah. Anyway, that'll wrap it up for 1240 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,880 this edition of Crimson Cast as we continue to bring you our our 1241 01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,320 coaching search updates. More of these later in the week, 1242 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,320 as well as taking a look at what goes on with Indiana if they 1243 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,280 play Oregon this week. We'll be back midweek to talk 1244 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,600 more about all of that for Scott. 1245 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,720 I'm Galen. This is Crimson cast. 1246 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,600 We'd like to thank you folks for joining us here on the program 1247 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,560 and we'll be back soon. Catch you folks. 1248 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,320 On the flip side, stay never daunted, bring back the bison. 1249 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:20,280 So everybody.