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Coming up on the 27th of June, 65 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,480 that's a Thursday and. What we've got. 66 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Is an event at the Hawthorne's Golf Club up in? 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Fishers, this is your. Chance to go meet the volleyball 68 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,240 team It's a chance to to help make a difference on the NIL 69 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,120 front at the Indiana volleyball golf outing at 10:00. 70 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,680 Shotgun start team and individual or individual 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,960 registrations available depending on how you want to to. 72 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,840 Parse that. And you get. 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,600 I think a great deal with this as you've. 74 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Got not just the staff and. The players there, but you also. 75 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Get a chance to hang out with a lot. 76 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,960 Of your fellow who's your fans? If you want to get an individual 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,480 registration, it's 270. $5 you get breakfast. 78 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Prior to the round you get lunch. 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,760 After the round, there's a silent auction with volleyball 80 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:00,920 athletes. You get some IU. 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,280 Volleyball swag. You can also register. 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,840 A foursome it's only $1000, so you save 100 bucks rather than 83 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,480 doing 4 individual registrations. 84 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,240 You also have the. Opportunity to sponsor a Whole 85 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,280 2. $150.00. For a whole sponsorship on the 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,200 front nine or on the back nine, there's also course sponsorship. 87 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,360 Opportunities elsewhere if you would like to. 88 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Get involved on that. Front Reach out to. 89 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,520 Connect@hoosiersconnect.com and I'll have more information. 90 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,000 For you all. Funds raised from the golf 91 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,640 outing benefit name, image and likeness opportunities. 92 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,760 For IU volleyball athletes, you can also just. 93 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,600 Donate if you can't make. The the the golf. 94 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,040 Outing they have an option for donation. 95 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Straightforwardly to the IU. Volleyball NIO Fund go to 96 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,240 inforindiana.com slash. Volleyball or just follow. 97 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,440 IU volleyball on social media as they'll have information on it 98 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,400 there. I will be there. 99 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Plan is to be MC ING the. Event, so you'll get. 100 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,320 To see me, but I am not the draw. 101 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,600 Obviously that is. Our our great volleyball team 102 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,400 and our coaching staff. With the coach Steve. 103 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,600 Aired and and the whole crew so. Hopefully we'll see you there in 104 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,960 a couple of weeks at the. Hawthorne's in Fishers. 105 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,360 All right. A bunch of things I want to. 106 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,680 Tackle as we. Go into the middle part of June 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,080 with I Can't Believe We're. Already 1/3. 108 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,120 Of the way done with the month. First of all, I wanted to give. 109 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:27,760 Some reflections on the NIL event that happened down at 110 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,760 French Lick. Over the course. 111 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,280 Of Sunday and Monday. That was a great time. 112 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,000 A lot of donors down there and they got a chance to meet. 113 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,320 A lot of our basketball players, both men's and. 114 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Women's with some. Football players there as well 115 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,040 they got. A chance to hear from Mike 116 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,000 Woodson and Kurt Cignetti, who got up and spoke Miller. 117 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,400 Cop was there trace? Jackson. 118 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,320 Davis was there, so. Great to see those gentlemen 119 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,960 still getting involved and. You know, it was, it was really. 120 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,480 Much like the Hubers event. From a couple of weeks ago 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,920 these. Events are really important from 122 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,880 an. Nil perspective because you're, 123 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,120 you know, a lot of this, this. Era with nil is, I think getting 124 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,560 a chance to to feel. Like you're a little bit closer 125 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,080 to the. Program and getting a chance to 126 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,440 interact with the people who are going to. 127 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Be directly benefiting. From NIL and you know, it's, 128 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,800 it's clearly an interesting time within college sports. 129 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,720 We've done several podcasts. Over the course of the last 130 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,800 couple of of weeks that have talked about. 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,680 Some of the seismic changes that are on their. 132 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,360 Way we probably haven't. Gone far enough on that front. 133 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,760 The the some of the changes are even more seismic than we've 134 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,680 discussed. But. 135 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,440 We're trying to meter this out. As we wait. 136 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,680 For the settlement terms to get finalized and so on and so 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,640 forth, but. You know, I'll say. 138 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,880 That in being at the event. It was just cool. 139 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,280 Seeing that many people from around the IU sphere in one 140 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:54,720 place and you know the I, I think that IU fans. 141 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,840 Should feel really good about. Where Indiana's nil. 142 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,200 Is at. You know, the event was was 143 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,040 really well managed. I thought Hoosiers connected an 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,760 awesome job with putting it all together and. 145 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,080 You know, the fact that you know it was an event. 146 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,880 Wrapped around a a round of golf at the Pete Dye course at 147 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,080 French. Lick was, I think, a really, 148 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,520 really good way. To get people interested in 149 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,400 what's going on. Obviously we've seen that same 150 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,760 event happen now a couple of years in a row now. 151 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,840 And, you know, I think you're going to see more of these 152 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,480 things throughout the course of the next. 153 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,240 Several years as you. Know NIL really isn't 154 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,320 disappearing even with this new settlement term. 155 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,880 I think a lot of people have gotten confused. 156 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,800 About the role. Of collectives and the role of 157 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,600 where NIL is going to be in all of this. 158 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,480 And it was interesting hearing some of the comments from from 159 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,000 the coaches. You know, there's there's 160 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,080 clearly an. Appreciation on the part of 161 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,640 certainly both Coach Signetti and Coach Woodson about the the 162 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,840 amounts of money. That are there. 163 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,920 It was interesting. Listening to to Cignetti. 164 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Talk. About, you know, the need to 165 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,720 continue to raise the bar with NIL funding for football. 166 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,120 And he's right. You know one of the things that. 167 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,560 Really sticks. Out to me as I've looked. 168 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,960 Through all the literature. And I've heard all you know the. 169 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,800 All these people talking. About nil. 170 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,720 It's just clear that like. Until there are actual financial 171 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,080 barriers put in at the top end, this is going to be an arms 172 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,360 race. Probably. 173 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,200 Like we've not really seen in college sports up to this point. 174 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,040 And and we're, we're coming. Out of a huge. 175 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,680 Arms race right now, so that sounds like quite a thing to 176 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,800 say, but. It's true. 177 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,960 There is just an overwhelming. Need for money because your. 178 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,480 Competitors are going. To be focused on generating as 179 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,679 much money as possible and football's where most of that 180 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,400 money's going because that's where most of your revenue is 181 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,320 going to be coming back. You know, Indiana's in a really 182 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,600 fascinating spot. We've talked. 183 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,400 About this a bunch. Over the course of. 184 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:49,680 The last year, really. About this need. 185 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,280 To evolve the. Way that not just IU thinks 186 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,520 about sports in general. And I mean what I mean by that 187 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,840 is like. Historically, you know a lot of 188 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,920 IU. Fans have really attached their 189 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,040 understanding of the brand of IU athletics and a lot of. 190 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,160 Certain people's pride. In IU athletics has come from 191 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,880 this idea that well, you know, we don't pay athletes they come 192 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,400 of their own volition and you know we do things the. 193 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Right way. Unlike you know, name your name, 194 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,280 your opponent from from the SEC. Or the ACC or. 195 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Heck, even in the Big 10, you know now how much that was. 196 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,360 Actually true versus hyperbole. Doesn't really matter at this 197 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,280 point. What does matter is that you 198 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,280 know Indiana because. A lot of the. 199 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,800 Infrastructure has been focused around. 200 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,520 A different approach than a lot of other schools. 201 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,240 Have taken It means Indiana has a lot of catching up to do. 202 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,560 Now that everything is. Essentially on the table and you 203 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:50,640 know is not against the rules according to the NCAA and even 204 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,920 the things that are technically against the rules, the NCAA is 205 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,200 not really shown an ability. To police. 206 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,000 You know, you see this now with Miami football. 207 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,280 With Florida State. Maybe to a lesser extent, but 208 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,080 you know. There was a lot of big talk from 209 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,280 the. NCAA about cracking down on on 210 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,960 NIL payments and we even in the settlement we keep hearing about 211 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,680 how. You know, these payments have to 212 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:14,800 be, you know, for actual. Name, image and likeness. 213 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,960 They can't be performance based. That really falls. 214 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Apart the closer that you look at it, so the. 215 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,840 Point being, IU. Has got to figure out a way to. 216 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,760 Get competitive on the nil front and events like what we saw at 217 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,440 French Lake, events like what you saw. 218 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,000 At Hubers, those are really going to. 219 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Help and and this volleyball. Event that I've been. 220 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Talking about, I mean, I think there's a lot. 221 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Of sports that are going to. Need their own nil support 222 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,800 structures because I. Don't think people understand 223 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,360 truly. How much money is going to have 224 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,040 to go? To support football and 225 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,440 basketball. So, you know, the the thing, the 226 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,280 thing. That stuck out the most from the 227 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,720 event at Hugh at. At French Lick was. 228 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Certainly how dynamic. Kurt Cignetti. 229 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,400 Was not. Taking anything away from from 230 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,840 Mike Woodson or the OR the rest of the. 231 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,680 Speakers but. You know, Cignetti, that that 232 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,960 same bravado. That we keep. 233 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Hearing from him when he does interviews with national media 234 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,320 or with local media, it shines through in the donor events too 235 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,720 and obviously. I know there's there's some 236 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,400 people that are still. Keeping things at arm's length, 237 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,000 shall we say? Because you felt like, well, 238 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,640 I've gotten. Burned by IU football and 239 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,880 getting excited about IU football. 240 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,560 Before I don't blame. You for feeling that way, 241 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,520 perhaps? I should feel. 242 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,360 That way more. But it's hard. 243 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Not to get caught. Up in a positive. 244 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Way in the infectious. Positive and. 245 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,320 You know, and confident attitude, I think that you you 246 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,000 could say that Kurt Cignetti has been bringing to the table that 247 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,960 his assistant coaches, especially on social media, 248 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,440 brought to the table. That really stuck out, but what 249 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,960 else has stuck out, you know, was. 250 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,840 You know. NIL is still not. 251 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Where it has. To be to truly. 252 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,600 Be competitive in football and I think that's going to be a 253 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,240 battle Indiana's got to. Fight for a while. 254 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,720 And at this point like it's. You know, whatever's happened 255 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,320 before. This point is kind of water 256 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,680 under the bridge. It doesn't really matter. 257 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,720 You know who was right or wrong or. 258 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,200 Anything like that? It's just here's. 259 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Here's where things are, and here's where things have to go. 260 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,160 And it's going to be. Really interesting watching IU 261 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,960 navigate these waters. Because I think if if. 262 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,720 One thing has been demonstrated. Over the course of the last. 263 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Year and a half in terms of college, conference realignment 264 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,640 and all of those things, it's that you're not going to be able 265 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,240 to afford to not be at least competitive in football. 266 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,080 Doesn't mean you have to win. You know the conference. 267 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,920 Doesn't mean you know. You you just can't be last or 268 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,040 close to last consistently. And Indiana hasn't been as bad 269 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,360 as I think people often have in their heads. 270 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,560 Over the last 10. To 12 years in football. 271 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,600 But they're, you know, the level of the program. 272 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,200 Is still kind of. Very very low compared to where 273 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,920 it. Needs to be, in terms of just 274 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,720 maintaining A level of competition and especially in 275 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,320 this era, moving. Forward there has to. 276 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,080 Be a financial focus and that yes, that involves certainly the 277 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,920 athletic department, it involves corporate partners and sponsors, 278 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,560 but. It also is going to involve. 279 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,480 Fans, at least until. A lot of this stuff meters. 280 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,840 Itself out in terms of, you know, how stuff gets paid for 281 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,400 and how college athletic departments deal with the 282 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,640 reorganization that's going to have to happen as these new 283 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,400 financial realities settle in. With not. 284 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,760 Just with this $22 million? Salary cap or whatever. 285 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,560 You want to call it but also with all the knock on effects 286 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,080 that that will have. For other sports. 287 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,440 So anyway, I really enjoyed the. Event it was great to be down 288 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,840 there was great to see so many people and looking forward to 289 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,240 seeing what what all happens moving forward with nil it 290 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,160 really. Does feel like. 291 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Indiana's in in in great shape compared to some other schools. 292 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,280 Who do? Not have everything together. 293 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,680 Quite. Like Indiana seems to at this 294 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,800 point. So that's a positive. 295 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Let's switch gears and talk a little. 296 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Bit about something that I posted on the. 297 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Crimson cast. Twitter feed and also if. 298 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,320 You're listening to this and you got our sub stack e-mail. 299 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,800 You got a. Couple of pictures of it as 300 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,280 well. But if? 301 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,840 You if you go. And look at those. 302 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Pictures You saw a large scoreboard being lowered in. 303 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,280 To the upstairs pub via Crane and it's. 304 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,320 A really exciting. Thing so I I think we've talked. 305 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,480 About this a little bit on the podcast before, but. 306 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,200 If you're not familiar, or if you haven't been back to 307 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,040 Bloomington for a while or haven't been over. 308 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,280 To the the South side of Kirkwood. 309 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,480 And Dunn, the upstairs. Pub has been going. 310 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Through this. Series of acquisitions. 311 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,760 And renovations over the course. Of the last several years and. 312 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,160 You. Know upstairs you know for for 313 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,560 many people, especially people that were here in. 314 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,200 School in the 80s and 90s. It was always that kind of 315 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,480 little place up on the. Second floor of Dunkirk. 316 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,480 And it was. It was AI was always a bar. 317 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,960 Like a lot of people that I went to school with, that was one of. 318 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,440 Their two favorite? Places that they would go 'cause 319 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,920 it. Wasn't K OK? 320 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,240 It wasn't Nick's. It was. 321 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,280 It was kind of its own thing and over the course. 322 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Of of the last five years we've seen. 323 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Them acquire several different spots. 324 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,240 The the old. Dunkirk Library slash Jungle 325 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,920 Room depending on what area. You were. 326 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,680 That came under the umbrella. The patio in between those two 327 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,440 came over to the upstairs umbrella, and they've really. 328 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,080 Built out a lot of those items. Now what they're doing this 329 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,800 summer is a renovation on the old library Jungle Room side. 330 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,240 I guess it. Was maybe it was recess? 331 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,560 I forget what that bar was specifically called, but. 332 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,840 That the. The West side, basically. 333 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,760 They they're raising the roof and they're throwing in a bunch 334 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,640 of new televisions and new seating. 335 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,760 So the basically kind of gutting that side of the bar and 336 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,800 starting from scratch. And. 337 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,400 A lot of cool. Features that we'll talk about a 338 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,400 little bit later on in the. Summer, but one of the things 339 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,520 that. That happened over the course of 340 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:54,680 the last. Couple of years, one of the 341 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,680 original scoreboards from Assembly Hall that got changed 342 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,640 out when they renovated the scoreboards and renovated some 343 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,960 items back I think in the late 90s or early 2000s that got. 344 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,240 Acquired by Upstairs. And so. 345 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,640 They took this scoreboard and craned it in. 346 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,920 And that's going to hang in that W room and they're going to 347 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,280 replace. The the bulbs with LE DS. 348 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,720 And it's going to be fully functional. 349 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,480 That'll be. Really fascinating they'll be. 350 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,320 An awesome centerpiece to have on that side of the bar so. 351 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,040 Just neat, you know? This is one of those things we 352 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,920 will talk about more at some point soon, we'll have another 353 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,360 Bloomington food review. Podcast, episode, series. 354 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,400 That'll come down from Crimson Cast Headquarters, which if you 355 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,160 missed those back in. The day we talked through, you 356 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,880 know, some of the. Different aspects. 357 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Of of eating and. Drinking in Bloomington, we did 358 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,360 several. Episodes back in 20. 359 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,280 Twenty time to kick those back up again, but one of the things 360 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,160 that we'll talk about. Is there is this relentless 361 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,200 March? In Bloomington, that often times 362 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,920 doesn't really sit. Well, with alums because. 363 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:01,840 It means that places. That they went. 364 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,000 To when they were in school change. 365 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,480 You know that places closed down, places renovate and I know 366 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,359 that doesn't always sit well with everybody and we've seen 367 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,040 over the course of the last. Decade several places that were 368 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,440 stalwarts historically unfortunately disappear Irish. 369 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Lion just closed yo. Yogi's several years ago closed 370 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,359 and and now. That building's gone like you 371 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,480 drive. Past 10th and Indiana. 372 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,079 It's not there anymore. They they. 373 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,760 Tore the building down. And yes, I know that you know, 374 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,600 Finney Hospitality Group. Bought Yogi's and. 375 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,240 And moved it to where Scotty? 'S used to be. 376 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,720 You know, but. One of the things. 377 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,240 That. I think. 378 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,400 Is important for. People to understand is. 379 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,520 You're going to have to constantly kind of change over 380 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,800 things unless you've got a model that's just completely 381 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,960 sustainable and it's cool to watch. 382 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,800 A place like upstairs. Transition from where it was to. 383 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,880 What it's at right? Now and where it's headed and, 384 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,560 you know, I think it it, it helps to. 385 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Re Enliven. Interest in some of these areas 386 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,760 and it and it also. It's. 387 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Nice to see you. Know places that we went to. 388 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,680 School, you know and and went to on a regular. 389 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,880 Basis find. Ways to not just keep themselves 390 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,920 relevant in the mix of things, but also find new ways and, and 391 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,280 you know, expand from their original footprint and whatnot. 392 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,360 And so that has been fun to watch and all the renovations 393 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,200 that upstairs are supposed to be done by by like mid. 394 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,040 August like by the. Time students get back. 395 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,760 So we'll, we'll talk more about this as you move forward, but go 396 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,600 check out those pictures if you haven't. 397 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,880 Yet check out upstairs. Twitter feed as well as they've 398 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,600 had several pictures posted from. 399 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,600 Things. It's just, it's kind of. 400 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,320 Cool watching a. Huge stadium scoreboard get 401 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,640 hoisted by crane over Kirkwood and then swing into the the 402 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,920 roof. Of a building so. 403 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:55,520 Definitely worth checking out. Switching gears again, a couple 404 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,560 of items news wise that. I think are. 405 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,200 Noteworthy. First, let's talk about the Dan 406 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,720 Hurley situation at UConn, where Hurley was. 407 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,960 Rumored and you know, it sounded like was a real strong 408 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,400 possibility to take the LA Lakers head coaching. 409 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Job they were tossing around insane numbers from a salary 410 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,400 perspective. It then sounds like the Lakers 411 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,920 didn't actually offer nearly as much money as as you would have. 412 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Perhaps expected them to. And I don't know if that was 413 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,360 the. Reason why Hurley decided not to 414 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:23,640 go. Any anywhere. 415 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,160 But he did. Decide that instead of. 416 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,800 Going to coach the LA Lakers Who? 417 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Whatever you think of the Lakers, I mean that. 418 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,720 Is the that's the pre eminent franchise in the NBA. 419 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,280 He instead decides to stick around at UConn. 420 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,880 And it's, it's a really fascinating choice. 421 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,240 And it was kind of funny because. 422 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,960 First of all, the rumors that he was going to. 423 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,280 Head to. To the Lakers immediately 424 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,520 touched off this whole series of oh, college sports is clearly in 425 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,800 trouble. And here's the best college 426 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,160 coach in the game, just leaving in the middle of the offseason 427 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,840 to go coach the. Lakers college sports clearly 428 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,960 you know the other is is in bad. Shape. 429 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,920 Of course, Ben Hurley decides not to take the. 430 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,480 Job we did not suddenly get a rush of hey, college. 431 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Sports is in great shape or gosh, what's? 432 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,640 Wrong with the NBA stories, but. I do think it's. 433 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,000 Interesting to think about. College athletics and. 434 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,200 What? People are going to choose to. 435 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,160 Do you know we hear a lot of complaints from coaches? 436 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,360 About where college basketball and college. 437 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,520 Football, but mostly college. Basketball are right now. 438 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,800 In terms of, you know the. Quality of life as a as a coach 439 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,560 is real bad because you don't get any time off you're either 440 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,520 coaching. Or you're recruiting. 441 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,400 Or you're dealing with NIL related stuff, Or you're trying 442 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,680 to get donors. It's basically. 443 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,880 Like an all year job, whereas you know there was at least some 444 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,160 offseason. In in the past. 445 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,040 And. Yeah, I think about that a lot. 446 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,360 Because it's true, you know, there it is pretty much a a 447 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:56,120 full. Time job. 448 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,520 And it's a very complicated job, largely. 449 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,320 Because the rules keep changing. And there doesn't seem to be 450 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,160 anybody steering the ship because there's not the NCAA is. 451 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,200 Just kind of letting. Things happen as they happen. 452 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,720 They're making big changes to the rules. 453 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Based upon. What they think the courts are 454 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,200 saying, and you know, there's no commissioner, there's no board. 455 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,560 Of governors per Southeast, a lot of the decisions are being. 456 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,240 Made on a conference by conference basis and it's it's a 457 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,800 very challenging time if you. Have matriculated through the 458 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,800 traditional college. Coaching ranks. 459 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,120 It's a very different looking environment from what it was 460 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,560 even like a decade ago. You know, so I, I think we're. 461 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,400 Going to hear a lot of complaints about that, 462 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,840 especially on the college. Basketball side of. 463 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Things because I don't think that. 464 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240 There's any chance? Of it getting better in the 465 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,800 short term. You know that a lot of people 466 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,280 have been saying well. They need to close the transfer 467 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,080 portal. Well, they just did the 468 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,160 opposite. Like the NCAA basically has had 469 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,600 to say, well, we we can't really control transfers. 470 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,120 And then they're right. They can't because. 471 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,640 They keep predicating everything. 472 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,760 On the idea that. Athletes are not. 473 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Employees. They're students, and just like 474 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,920 there's nothing that restricts a student who's not an athlete 475 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,520 from transferring to one school to another, you can't really 476 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,960 restrict an athlete from. Going from. 477 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,160 One school to another, if you're going to turn around and say, 478 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,120 well, they're students, they're not employees, you know, so you 479 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,920 can't find them to a two year contract if you're not going to 480 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,880 give them employment status. So you know that is a problem 481 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,400 for. Coaches, because you are. 482 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,920 Basically starting a new. Roster every year and. 483 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,120 You know you may. Have some some carry over, some 484 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,680 retention, but it changes the entire approach in terms of, you 485 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,800 know, do you go out and. Recruit high school recruits. 486 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Knowing that they may be there for a. 487 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,280 Year and then leave. And go to somewhere else. 488 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,440 You know how much? Are you? 489 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,880 Really able to develop players. In your own program and so. 490 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,680 You know, when I think about a guy like Dan Hurley. 491 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,840 On the one hand, I'm a little bit surprised. 492 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,240 That he didn't jump. To the NBAI mean, this is like 493 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,680 the perfect time for him to do it. 494 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:05,280 He's still young as a coach, It's a ton of money, and there's 495 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,760 really no downside to going and coaching the Lakers. 496 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,360 You know I've. Heard a lot of people say well 497 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,320 gosh, you know. Coaches going from college to 498 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,120 the NBA never works out if you really look. 499 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,760 At the track record. Yeah, you. 500 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,600 Don't see those? Coaches winning titles, 501 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,840 Necessarily, but very. Few coaches win titles. 502 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,960 In the NBA, if you really think about it like it's a very, very 503 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,200 small club, so you have to kind of, you know, you. 504 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,360 Have to judge based upon different. 505 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:30,720 Things you know, I mean are you are. 506 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 You able to maintain. Some level of competitiveness, 507 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,520 So much is tied up in your roster and you look at. 508 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,680 A lot of the coaches that have gone to the. 509 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,360 The Pro. Level and the ones. 510 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,000 That have gone, I think in the more recent times have actually 511 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,080 done better than people are giving them credit for. 512 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,200 So, you know, there's not really. 513 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,840 A downside for Hurley? To go to the Lakers. 514 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,800 That's the best franchise in in in the league in terms of their 515 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 willingness to commit financial resources over and over and. 516 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Over again, it hasn't. Worked in terms of titles that 517 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,520 often in the last, you know, 12-13 years, they got the. 518 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,360 They got the bubble title, but that's about it. 519 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,520 You know if you go to the. Lakers and it doesn't. 520 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,880 Work out every. College team in the. 521 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,640 Country would take you back. With open arms. 522 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,280 If you're Dan Hurley and if you get $60 million guaranteed, 523 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,840 well, that's $60 million that you're guaranteed to have. 524 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,400 But I I also see the argument. For Hurley saying, you know, 525 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,280 I've got a really good thing going here at UConn, I'm going 526 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,640 to be paid well enough and of all the. 527 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Coaches that are out there, right? 528 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,760 Now at the college game, Hurley. To me is by far the best at 529 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240 understanding. How to build? 530 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,320 A roster in this? Era, I mean, if you look at what 531 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,880 they've done over the last couple of. 532 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,680 Years and if you look at where UConn was. 533 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,000 Five years ago when when Hurley got there. 534 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,160 Or six years ago. I mean that program had. 535 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,600 Declined so precipitously. To watch. 536 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,240 Him not just revitalize. It but take it. 537 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,880 You know. You know, just as far as. 538 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,960 Jim Calhoun ever did, And I mean, Calhoun never won 539 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,360 back-to-back national titles, has been really impressive and 540 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,680 he's done it. With a bunch of of pieces that 541 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920 didn't. Start at UConn combined with a 542 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,320 bunch of pieces that did. Start at UConn. 543 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,800 I've just been really, really impressed with how he's gone 544 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,840 about things there. And you? 545 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,960 Know his ability. To take a player like you know. 546 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,080 The Camp Spencer's a great example of this. 547 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,920 I mean, here's a guy who. You know was at. 548 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Loyola Maryland and then was at Rutgers for a. 549 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,360 Year and then they. Figure out a way not just 550 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,000 integrate him into the system at UConn, but he was the most. 551 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,520 Efficient scorer in college. Basketball this year. 552 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,120 I mean, he was. He was among the. 553 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,280 Best players in the whole country at 3 point shooting you 554 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,240 know to. Watch him. 555 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,920 Be integrated alongside guys like Tristan Newton and Donovan 556 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,960 Klingen and and to bring in a player like Stefan Castle as a 557 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,600 freshman, I mean, it's really been impressive what he's done 558 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840 and there's no reason why he can't continue to do it because 559 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,240 it really. Does feel like. 560 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,680 The the. Guys, got a sense? 561 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,680 Of the alchemy that you have to put together in college 562 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,080 basketball right now to have a successful. 563 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,840 Roster. So I'm I'm really fascinated to 564 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,760 see how all of this. Plays out with Hurley. 565 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,240 It's real hard to win two. Titles in a row, you know it's 566 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,320 almost. Impossible to win three. 567 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Titles in a row. It's only been done, I think 568 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600 once. UCLA did it, I think. 569 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,880 Maybe they did it twice, but but it was the same program, same 570 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,600 coach. It isn't insanely difficult to 571 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,840 do. And even if he doesn't win 572 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,440 another title. This year it feels like the 573 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,600 model that he's got at. UConn is really sustainable and 574 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,840 Uconn's an interesting school. You know in this. 575 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Era, you know there. There's there are programs. 576 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,600 In Indiana, frankly fits into this category. 577 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,680 There's. Athletic departments where the. 578 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,880 Basketball program's. Going to bring in a lot of 579 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320 eyeballs and attention, but the football program is what's going 580 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,880 to financially sustain. I mean, UConn barely has a 581 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,840 football. Program. 582 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,840 Yes, it's D1. But they've, you know. 583 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,160 They've tried so hard to make that. 584 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,440 Program work, and if they're just, you know, they're in. 585 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,080 A terrible geographical situation. 586 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,520 From a recruiting perspective, they don't. 587 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Really have a background. Of success. 588 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,880 You know Uconn's going. To have to maintain a national 589 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,880 presence almost entirely on its men's and women's basketball. 590 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Programs and. The fact that they've been able 591 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,160 to figure out a way to make it work in. 592 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,400 The transfer portal and. Nil era. 593 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,640 Up to this. Point, you know. 594 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,800 I if they. If they hadn't been able to 595 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,560 retain Hurley, that's a dark. Future pathway for UConn? 596 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,040 For him to be able to stick around and for them to pay him 597 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,320 enough money to get him to stick around and for him to feel 598 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,680 comfortable and feel like that's where. 599 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,320 He's supposed to be. I. 600 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,600 Mean it's great news. For them, it's bad news for the 601 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,800 rest of college basketball. You know, but it's going to be 602 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,880 fascinating as as programs watch what U. 603 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,920 Conn's doing trying to figure out how do we. 604 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Replicate that where we're at. How do we apply that to the era 605 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,920 that we're currently? In these are the things that I'm 606 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,400 really fascinated about with this. 607 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Also if you didn't. See this news? 608 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,000 There's a coaching opening in the Big 10 on the men's 609 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,440 basketball side right now as Mike Hopkins. 610 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,680 It was just announced this morning is leaving Washington 611 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,480 and is going to become an assistant with the Phoenix Suns. 612 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,680 And so that's that's fascinating because now Washington's open. 613 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,480 I am curious. Who takes that job, that is, 614 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,600 that is rapidly like. One of the tougher jobs in in 615 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,520 the Big 10 at this point. I mean, you are. 616 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,920 Washington's had a weird history. 617 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,960 You know, they've been to a Final four, they've they've been 618 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,440 competitive. They were one of the better 619 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,320 teams consistently in the 20 tens in the PAC 12, and now 620 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,040 they're kind of in a. Spot where you know they're 621 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,920 going to be a fish out of the water in. 622 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,240 In terms of recruiting in the in the Big 10, it's a their. 623 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,400 Brand is absolutely football, you know I. 624 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,840 Mean as much as Washington's had some success in basketball, 625 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,760 their their brand is football. How do they adapt? 626 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360 And now they have to go find a coach in the middle of a. 627 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,960 Basically this summer, who who is going to leave their job? 628 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,000 And go to Washington. That would also be. 629 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,680 A coach of the caliber to lead a school like that. 630 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,560 Into this era that is going to be fascinating to watch. 631 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,640 So it probably a good move for Mike Hopkins. 632 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,320 Things just clearly had not taken off for him at Washington 633 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,880 and and who knows whether that's his fault or. 634 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,720 Washington's. Fault. 635 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,480 I mean, it's, it's hard. To say, but it's worth noting 636 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,000 that you know you don't normally get coaching. 637 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,280 Vacancies in the Big 10 in June. And yet here we are anyway. 638 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,400 That'll wrap up this episode. I appreciate everybody. 639 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,000 Tuning in. We'll be back. 640 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,240 Later on in the. Week we'll have some more 641 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,280 podcast info on a couple of different things coming up, so 642 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,480 keep your ears. Out for that thanks to. 643 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,920 Home field apparel Thanks to all. 644 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,680 Of our friends. At the back. 645 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Home network. They will catch you, folks. 646 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,880 On the flip side, bring. Back the bison. 647 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,600 So everybody.