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If you're listening to it on 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Friday, Hoosier hysteria taking place at 7:00 eastern time at 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,100 Simon's got Assembly Hall, and should be an interesting show. 58 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:26,500 A lot of excitement around this IU basketball team. 59 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,700 I'm not going to talk IU basketball tonight. 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,300 I'm going to talk. Are you football? 61 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,900 We will talk about IU basketball soon though. 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,300 As we've got a lot to talk about with IU basketball an 63 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:39,200 interesting season to say the least shaping up for this 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,500 Indiana program and one that could be very pivotal in a 65 00:03:42,508 --> 00:03:45,700 number of ways. So, let's go ahead and dive into 66 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:50,100 the questions and the overall thoughts on this. 67 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,800 I you versus Michigan game. The Hoosiers coming into this 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,100 contest at a record of three and two on the season. 69 00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:00,100 Of course they've lost two in a row. 70 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:03,600 Now, they lose last week, very disappointing, outing at 71 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,200 Nebraska. They went into that game with. 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,900 I think a lot of people feeling like they had a shot, you know, 73 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:15,200 this was a downtrodden Nebraska team and Nebraska team that Had 74 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,700 frankly, you know, kind of look like it had given up on the 75 00:04:17,700 --> 00:04:21,600 season, a bit and Indiana with a whole bunch to play for, and 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,400 unfortunately, the way the game played out neither team looked 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,100 great for most of it but Nebraska, just kind of wanted it 78 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,100 more at the end. They end up winning 35 to 21 and 79 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:35,000 it leaves the Hoosiers in kind of a difficult spot. 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,300 After winning the first three games, they stand a real shot 81 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:43,700 here at falling to 3 and 3 and putting themselves in a 82 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:45,900 position. Are you know essentially they 83 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:47,800 got to win three of their last six. 84 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,100 If they can't pull this one off this game may not be a complete 85 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:57,500 lost cause I say may very likely it is going to be a bit of a 86 00:04:57,508 --> 00:05:00,800 lost cause because this does look like a pretty good Michigan 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,800 team, you know, Michigan of course did struggle a little bit 88 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,700 in their first Big Ten game as they were taking on the 89 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:11,500 Maryland, Terrapins at home. However, they did win that game 90 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:14,300 and then they turned around and took advantage. 91 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,400 Age of of a bad Iowa offense and was really able to throttle 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,300 them. You know, this is not just a 93 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:24,600 highly rated Michigan team in terms of the poles. 94 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,300 You know, some of the independent metrics really like 95 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:32,000 this Michigan team as well. It is a Michigan team that right 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 now, if you look at the overall ratings on Pro Football Focus, 97 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:40,300 they are third in the country in terms of overall rating and, you 98 00:05:40,308 --> 00:05:45,000 know, just it highlights, I think to some degree how the Ten 99 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,000 is a pretty strong conference this year and, you know, you got 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,600 to take overall ratings with a grain of salt because otherwise 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,700 they can get inflated, but Minnesota, Ohio, State and 102 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:58,700 Michigan are all in the top 10. They're all in the on the top, 103 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:02,300 three, actually, Ohio State and Michigan actually tied right now 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,500 in terms of overall rating. And, you know, that's a bit 105 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:07,600 frightening. I think, you know, obviously, 106 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,700 not just for, I you, but for everybody else in the 107 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:12,500 conference, you've got this many really good teams in the 108 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:15,900 conference at this point and It's it's going to be a meat 109 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:20,500 grinder, all the way through. As you know, these teams are 110 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,600 going to be in pretty constant combat with each other and 111 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,100 unfortunately for IU. They just haven't quite looked 112 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:31,600 up to the the same level as most of these teams. 113 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,100 Although, you know, you say that. 114 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:35,300 And then you look down the list of top 10 teams in Pro Football, 115 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:36,800 Focus, and Illinois is all in there. 116 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,400 And Indiana did beat Illinois and they certainly deserve 117 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,500 credit for that. But, you know, that you have to 118 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:48,100 say that was A stink bomb of a game for Illinois that frankly 119 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:51,800 has not borne out in terms of the way that they played 120 00:06:51,900 --> 00:06:54,100 elsewhere. That's an Illinois team that 121 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:56,900 went in, and just waxed Wisconsin on the road. 122 00:06:57,100 --> 00:07:00,000 It's hard to Envision this IU team being able to do the same. 123 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,200 So you have to be thankful that Indiana was able to win that 124 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,300 game. While also saying, that might 125 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:10,000 have been a bit of a fluke. You look at Michigan in other 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,300 ratings, there was a really cool composite rating, set up that. 127 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,500 Was done by this is, I think Nate and Manzo on Twitter where 128 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:23,400 he combined a bunch of different ratings across the board. 129 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,800 And that one was very, very complimentary for Michigan as 130 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,700 well. You don't see Illinois anywhere 131 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:33,500 in the top 25 of this, which to some degree shows how the 132 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:35,800 observational ratings, don't always capture everything, but 133 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,600 you do see Michigan here their fourth and every rating system 134 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,400 really likes what they've done, fpi likes them. 135 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,900 SP plus likes them. FEI likes them and they are 136 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:50,800 ranked behind, only Alabama, Ohio, State and Georgia. 137 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,100 They're just ahead of Texas. Clemson, Utah Ole Miss Tennessee 138 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:58,200 and Penn State. So, this is, you know, this is a 139 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,000 legit Michigan team. I guess is what I'm trying to 140 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,900 get across to you. Look at what Michigan's done so 141 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:02,900 far. For those of you who haven't 142 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:06,800 been paying attention this season too closely, Michigan, 143 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:10,700 with three waxings of very subpar opponents. 144 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,200 Colorado state, Hawaii and UConn a seven point win over. 145 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,300 Maryland at home and then a 13-point win on the road at 146 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:20,900 Iowa. Statistically, speaking, this is 147 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:23,200 a Michigan team, that's averaging 45 points, a game, 148 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,800 they're only allowing 11.6 points per game. 149 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,100 They're averaging five point, six yards per rushing attempt 150 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:34,000 while allowing only two point nine yards per rushing attempt, 151 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Michigan, averaging, 7.05 yards per play and allowing only 4.08. 152 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,200 And, you know, you look at the passing game overall. 153 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:49,800 This is a Michigan team that has 1174 yards eight touchdowns only 154 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,500 one interception. Definitely you hear those 155 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:56,000 numbers and then you look at what Indiana's done and you 156 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,000 start to cringe already Indiana so far on the season only 157 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,600 averaging 3 point 33 yards per rushing attempt, and they've 158 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,200 only given up 3.32, which is good, but in terms of yards per 159 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,700 play, not really as positive Indiana. 160 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:13,600 Only averaging four point seven five yards per play, whereas 161 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,400 their opponents are Averaging five point four, five yards per 162 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,400 play. So be a little bit concerned 163 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,400 there. I think would be my message 164 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:24,000 leading offensive players for this Michigan Team. 165 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,600 Blake Quorum has already rushed for 10. 166 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,100 Touchdowns 611 yards on 93 carries averaging about six and 167 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:35,600 a half yards a carry and really you know I got a he's got a 168 00:09:35,608 --> 00:09:38,100 couple of backups that have looked pretty good in limited 169 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,600 utilization as well. Donovan Edwards, a sophomore 170 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:43,400 about six yards a carry two touchdowns on the season 171 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:48,300 freshman running. Xcj Stokes 112 yards on 23 carry 172 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,800 so about a little under five yards, a carry their. 173 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:53,300 So this is a Michigan rushing attack. 174 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:56,600 That's definitely spread the wealth and has, you know, 175 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 managed to figure out a way to really, keep the ball moving on 176 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,900 the ground. And that'll be interesting for 177 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:02,500 Indiana. I think is Indiana. 178 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,700 You can certainly criticized certain aspects of their defense 179 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:10,000 but they're run defense has looked pretty good overall and, 180 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,600 you know, so you might see a situation where Michigan ends up 181 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,500 getting forced, More into the air in the air. 182 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:21,200 You know, J McCarthy has been essentially the established 183 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,100 starter for this team. Michigan, had that weird thing 184 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:25,900 at the beginning of the year where they were like, Hey we're 185 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:28,300 going to rotate quarterbacks through the first two games. 186 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:30,500 One's going to start one and one's going to start the other 187 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:33,700 and it's ended up with McCarthy is the starter, which I don't 188 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:37,400 know if that's exactly what people would have predicted at 189 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,600 the beginning, but it's definitely working out for 190 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,400 Michigan. As he's looked pretty good 191 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:48,100 overall in his starts. Seventy eight point six percent 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,100 completion rate, which is pretty darn good 848. 193 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,800 Yard six touchdowns no interceptions and has really 194 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,200 been very steady in there. Made some mistakes in the last 195 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,600 couple of games, but not enough to really hurt his team. 196 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,100 And that is going to be an interesting aspect of what comes 197 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:11,100 up in this game is is the Indiana defense going to be able 198 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:15,700 to force some turnovers for some Good field position 199 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,000 opportunities for IU. You know, what you've seen? 200 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,500 So far from this Michigan offense. 201 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:23,000 They're going to be pretty hard to stop. 202 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:25,600 You know, I think really athletic defenses that are 203 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,300 really dialed in Allah. Maryland, you know, that's, 204 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:32,800 that's a defense that still allowed 34 points. 205 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,000 When they played against Michigan, I'll be at was at 206 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Michigan, but you do worry a little bit with how difficult 207 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,600 it's been for IU to play consistently well on defense. 208 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:44,200 What that ends up looking like over the course of the, 209 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,700 60-minute game against this Michigan team. 210 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:50,800 Let's go and take a look at some questions here. 211 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:55,800 As we have several that came in and we've got kind of a wide 212 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,900 variety of things. Get, it's interesting. 213 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:01,000 Like, you know, we I try to do these, these pregame podcast 214 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,900 where we talk about the game, talk about what to expect. 215 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:07,900 And yet, we don't have a whole lot of questions, frankly, 216 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:11,200 specifically about the game. I'm going to try to tackle a 217 00:12:11,208 --> 00:12:14,100 couple of those but then there's of course there's some tailgate 218 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:16,600 questions and then there's a lot of questions about just the 219 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,900 overall state of IU football. So I'm going to try to Get to as 220 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:24,100 many of those as I can. So tomorrow Bates, Stan, account 221 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:27,500 asks, how many touches do you think Jalen Lucas gets this week 222 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,100 of those? How many of those are him? 223 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:31,600 Being crammed between the tackles versus in space? 224 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,700 You know, the this has been an interesting running subplot 225 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:39,300 Jalen. Lucas comes in looks really good 226 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:43,900 on that one, long run against Nebraska and you know, I think 227 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:48,600 not not undeservedly. So are you fans are like, wait a 228 00:12:48,608 --> 00:12:50,400 minute. That why isn't this guy who's 229 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,600 clearly an offensive talent and an athletic Talent of a 230 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,400 magnitude more than what we've seen? 231 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,000 Why is this guy been playing more and you know so that 232 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,300 question gets asked and essentially the explanation was 233 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:05,900 well you know, we don't feel good about it in pass protection 234 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:08,100 and we don't want to do a lot of substitutions. 235 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,000 That was essentially the gist of what we got out of the press 236 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,300 conference this week, which I guess I don't know. 237 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:21,800 I have a little bit of a A problem with that answer, it 238 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,800 seems like you would do what you needed to do to get your best 239 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,200 guys out there. Yes. 240 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,100 You know, you you're not going to necessarily have complete 241 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,500 players in every role at every moment, but you might shift 242 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:35,100 things around a little bit to figure out a way to get those 243 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:39,600 players into the game, I guess seeing him against Nebraska at 244 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,600 all. We should be thankful that he 245 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,800 was in there. How many touches does he gets 246 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,700 get against his Michigan team? I don't know. 247 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:51,700 I mean if if what we heard in the press conference is correct 248 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:54,100 that they, you know, they don't want to do a lot of subbing and 249 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:57,000 they want to have guys in there that can pass protect, they are 250 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,000 darn. Well going to need pass 251 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,900 protection against this Michigan defense. 252 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,000 Like that is not going to be an optional aspect of what they're 253 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,300 doing. So I don't know if we see him a 254 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:08,800 whole lot in this game. I mean, I know that everybody's 255 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,200 going to be clamoring for it, but I feel like there's been a 256 00:14:11,208 --> 00:14:15,500 lot of instances in the past where We've had players play 257 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:19,500 really well in limited snaps. Everybody's been like, why don't 258 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:21,800 we see that person more? And it seems like there's a 259 00:14:21,808 --> 00:14:24,800 bunch of build up before the next game and then the game goes 260 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,700 in a direction where it's just not a possibility to bring that 261 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:31,100 player in. So I'm going to say that Lucas, 262 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,300 let's give him five touches in this game. 263 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:34,800 And I think four of them will be runs up. 264 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,400 The middle that will max out at about two-and-a-half to three 265 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,700 yards a touch and then they'll be one or two plays where 266 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:43,000 they're, you know, maybe they dump it off. 267 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:45,400 Screen pass or they figure out a way to bounce them outside. 268 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,100 The tackles and maybe gains 10 or 15 yards on one or both of 269 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:52,800 those plays, but I'm not expecting Miracles, especially 270 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,300 because, I think Michigan. If you do see Jalen Lucas in the 271 00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:59,300 game, is immediately be like, we need to put somebody on that guy 272 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,800 because we don't think anybody else on Indiana's offensive 273 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,300 lineup is going to be able to beat us one-on-one. 274 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,200 So I would expect Michigan will be ready. 275 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,400 You're not going to get what happened with Nebraska. 276 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,900 Where Nebraska got caught a little bit flat. 277 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:16,900 Footed with Lucas being out there, so that's just my 278 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:18,700 estimation on things. But we'll see. 279 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:23,600 Assembly call asks if Jim Harbaugh decided to steal Elio 280 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:27,300 and make it his own, what would the letters stand for? 281 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,400 I'm not going to answer this. I'm going to let the audience 282 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,400 answer this. So, if you're listening to this 283 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,900 and you have an idea if Elio under the Jim Harbaugh umbrella 284 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:42,900 was not love each other, but was something something something? 285 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,900 What do you think it would be? Go ahead and send that back to 286 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:48,500 us via Twitter? I'd love to hear your individual 287 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:51,100 responses. I think it's probably safest for 288 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:54,000 me to just stay away from answering that question, live on 289 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,500 the podcast, but I'm going to ponder it. 290 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:57,700 Myself will see if I can come up with something before game time 291 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,300 starts. Let's see. 292 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:06,700 We had a question from From let's see who was this. 293 00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:10,500 William Henley will Trent Howland, get any more carries 294 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,400 this season that I again I'm not entirely sure. 295 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,300 We heard a bit about Howland over the summer from a 296 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:23,500 development perspective. Look like he might be rounding 297 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:27,500 back into shape of course, you know he tore an ACL two years 298 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:31,600 ago and you know, spent a lot of last year trying to get back 299 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,900 into the swing of things I honestly can't quite Figure out, 300 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:40,900 you know, what exactly I you is doing with their running backs. 301 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,900 And you know what, the mode of operations is as far as who 302 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:48,000 rushes, what when it does seem. Like they've really kind of 303 00:16:48,008 --> 00:16:50,600 settled on chivers and Josh Henderson. 304 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,400 Like those are the guys that are going to get the majority of the 305 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,500 carries. And then they'll sprinkle people 306 00:16:55,500 --> 00:17:00,300 in, is they need, you know how, and with only two carries for 12 307 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:05,099 yards on the season and I, you know, I mean the last time I'm 308 00:17:05,099 --> 00:17:07,400 we saw him carry it. Always in that Idaho game. 309 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:10,900 I would be really surprised if we saw him in the Michigan game, 310 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,700 you know, I think frankly his carries moving forward or going 311 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:18,200 to largely be dependent on, you know, to Shrivers or Henderson 312 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,900 end up getting dinged up and can't play, you know, it does 313 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:25,800 feel like running back is kind of thin right now. 314 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,800 Just in terms of, yes, you've got two backs who are kind of 315 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,900 rotating but it doesn't look like there's a whole lot else in 316 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:34,800 the stable at least nothing that won't bail has been willing to 317 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,400 Out of the stable and actually get out there running the ball. 318 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,400 So, yeah, I would be surprised at this point but we'll see. 319 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:46,200 Let's see, let's dive into some of the the other questions that 320 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,300 we've got here. I want to tell tackle the 321 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:51,700 tailgate question first. This is from William follmer. 322 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,800 As always, I'm here for your tailgate discussion, drinks, 323 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,400 food games, and anything else. Last breakfast tailgate we did 324 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,100 sausage Canadian bacon, egg and cheese Muffins with white 325 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:04,300 russian coffee, thinking of doing biscuit sandwiches this 326 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:05,900 week. That's a Good combination. 327 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,700 We did some breakfast sandwiches last tailgate. 328 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:11,500 Prior to the Western Kentucky game. 329 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:14,300 That was a good combination overall. 330 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:17,100 We're going to try something slightly different with this 331 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:22,100 tailgate, but because this is a, it's a difficult one because you 332 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:23,700 know, I love breakfast tailgates. 333 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:29,200 I think breakfast, tailgates are certainly a way to get a lot of 334 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,100 really good tasting Foods out on the table and on and off the 335 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:37,600 grill without Feeling like to some degree. 336 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,200 I feel like you get constrained with lunch or dinner tailgates, 337 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,300 where you feel kind of like you got to do the traditional stuff. 338 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:48,100 But with breakfast, you're a little bit more open and 339 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:50,100 available to try different things. 340 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,400 So we're going to do pancake tacos. 341 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,000 My wife is not excited about this. 342 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,100 You this is going to be a disaster. 343 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,600 I think I actually think it's going to work out fairly well, 344 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,100 where you can use the pancake as a taco. 345 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:09,000 And you can make it with whatever you want. 346 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,800 At that point, you've got breakfast meats. 347 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:13,300 We know, we'll probably have some bacon, maybe some crumbled, 348 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:16,800 sausage to throw in there, but I think the plan is to go with a 349 00:19:16,808 --> 00:19:22,500 pulled pork pancake, Taco this time around, and we're making 350 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:26,200 some hot honey, butter, which will serve as a sauce on top of 351 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,900 that. So we haven't done this 352 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,600 particular combination before, but I think it's going to turn 353 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,600 out fairly well and you know it sticks to my motto of, you know, 354 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,900 you You want to have something where you can pick it up and eat 355 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:39,400 it? You don't want to have forks and 356 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,700 knives. Yes, you could. 357 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:44,500 Theoretically sit down, I guess with a plate of pancake and 358 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:48,400 pulled pork and go to town. But hey, you know, why not? 359 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,200 Just wrap it and carry it around. 360 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,100 We'll give it will give people some little foil handles. 361 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:55,400 I think, on this that way, they can carry it around with a 362 00:19:55,408 --> 00:19:58,500 little bit less mess. So, that's the plan for us. 363 00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:00,500 Looking forward to it. We'll see what happens. 364 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:04,400 And I will certainly report back to you folks on Sunday, but I 365 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,800 love The I love the idea of biscuit sandwiches. 366 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,700 I will say if you're doing tailgate breakfast, I think 367 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,700 there's the multiple directions you can go with the bread type 368 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:15,200 that you use. If you're doing breakfast 369 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,000 sandwiches, we are always a fan of the biscuits. 370 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,300 You bake the biscuits the night before you get them. 371 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:24,100 Sliced up properly, you get a little bit of a spread that you 372 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:26,600 can put on them to get a little. Give a little bit of a Tangy 373 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,000 flavor to add to the egg, or the bacon or the Canadian bacon as 374 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 it were. But we've also used croissants. 375 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,700 We've also Used plain white bread which actually if you 376 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:42,000 toast it up a little bit on the griddle before you put it, on 377 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,500 turns out real nice when you're doing breakfast sandwiches and 378 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,700 you get a slightly bigger sandwich at that point as well. 379 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:51,500 So that's the plan at this point and should be a really chilly 380 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,200 morning. Unfortunately I think the 381 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:57,900 forecasted low that will be likely starting the tailgate off 382 00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:01,400 with is like 35 36 degrees way too early. 383 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:04,700 Like we're in single-digit days in October, we should not. 384 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,300 Be dealing with like sub 40s at any point during the day, but 385 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:14,000 this is where we are right now. So we'll deal with it. 386 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,700 Anyway, let's jump to some of the other questions that we had. 387 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,000 So, our friend, Matt blasket, asks the following Tom Allen, 388 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,300 owns two of the three winning seasons since 1997 yet. 389 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:30,800 There seems to be a perception by the fan base, that things 390 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,600 should be better. When in reality they haven't 391 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,900 been Fans be more realistic in their expectations and how did 392 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:41,100 we get to a spot of expectations surpassing reality? 393 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,300 So this is an interesting question because there's a, 394 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:50,400 there's a tension at the core of almost all IU football 395 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,800 conversation I think and it to some degree I think is tied up 396 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,700 in the question that Matt just ask, which is this idea of, how 397 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:04,300 could you be upset with, Tom Allen Tom Allen's, given you two 398 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:05,600 really good? Good Seasons. 399 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,100 Two seasons that not just in the last 25 years, but really in the 400 00:22:09,108 --> 00:22:11,600 history of Indiana. Football rank among the best. 401 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,900 So why are people so upset? Why are people calling for his 402 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:17,100 head? Why are you know what? 403 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,800 Wire people? I think as upset as they are 404 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,700 about the fortunes of IU football and I would answer that 405 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,300 as, as the following, I think, you know, part of the issue. 406 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,900 with the way that IU football has looked at over the years is 407 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:42,000 There's been this gradual Evolution over the last 10 to 12 408 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,700 years of IU football, where I think people certain people not 409 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:49,600 everybody has gotten it in their head that I you football, 410 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,100 doesn't have to be the worst program in the conference. 411 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,800 It doesn't have to be the but the basement dweller, it doesn't 412 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,600 have to be a shock when Indiana pulls out a 6 win season. 413 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:06,400 And, you know, I think the problem I have with the Argument 414 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,900 that gets made, sometimes that you just made that will hey, how 415 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:12,300 could you know, how could we be negative about, Tom Allen? 416 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:13,800 Look at everything he's done for the program. 417 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,900 I think the problem is that Alan to a large degree, like the 418 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:23,300 whole promise of this starting with the Breakthrough motto that 419 00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:28,500 he started off with before his first season, was this idea that 420 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:33,800 I you football was elevating its own evaluation of itself was 421 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,400 elevating its Feelings about where it belonged in the college 422 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800 football hierarchy and, you know, all of what Allen's talked 423 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,500 about and certainly a lot of what we heard and saw in the 424 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:49,700 2019 and 2020 seasons and leading into the 2021 season. 425 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:54,300 Was this idea that that there needed to be a re-evaluation of 426 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,800 IU, football's place in the pecking order in the Big Ten and 427 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,300 more broadly across college football. 428 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,600 And so, I think we're a lot of people have really gotten upset 429 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,900 is the bar. Like it's been raised and the 430 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:11,700 expectations are supposed to be higher and you go to, to bowl 431 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,700 games in a row, you go to for bowl games in six years. 432 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:19,000 As a program, I do think it's reasonable for people to look at 433 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,900 that and say to themselves. This should be the new normal. 434 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,400 This should be a normal that, you know, you're not asking not 435 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,700 saying Indiana needs to be Michigan or Ohio State, but 436 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,700 you're saying, Indiana could be Michigan State, Indiana could be 437 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:37,000 you. No Minnesota. 438 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:42,200 Indiana should be a team that is in the running for at least six 439 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,400 wins every year and if they don't get that maybe they missed 440 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,000 it by one game and it's you know, just an unlucky kind of 441 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,600 thing. Is that a realistic expectation? 442 00:24:53,900 --> 00:25:00,200 I mean to some degree, it feels like it doesn't, it's not as 443 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,400 unreasonable as it sounds, I guess. 444 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,200 Let me know you football's a difficult job. 445 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,900 I do think there are people out there who forget how difficult 446 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:10,700 that it is. But then the flip side of it, is 447 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,000 the recruiting, you know, the players themselves, the quality 448 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 of the players are recruiting has been pretty high and I think 449 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000 that people are confused because they see inputs going into the 450 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,100 program. They see you know updated 451 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,900 facilities they see in pain improved recruiting they hear 452 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:31,200 this rhetoric and you know the people in the program, the 453 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,400 coaching particular trying to talk up Indiana as a as a 454 00:25:36,408 --> 00:25:40,500 contender. There, you know, you see all of 455 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,100 that, you hear all of that. And then when hard times happen, 456 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,000 or we know when clearly everything falls apart like 457 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,600 happened last year, or when you see, Indiana go on the road and 458 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,700 not be able to win against a staggered Nebraska team. 459 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:58,200 I think it brings out a lot of irritation from people who 460 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,100 thought to themselves. You know this we don't have to 461 00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,700 be, you know, part of the dregs of the conference anymore. 462 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:08,100 We've gotten a bit beyond that maybe not every A year. 463 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,100 But, you know, I think the frustration that I'm seeing from 464 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:14,500 a lot of people and to be frank, the frustration I'm feeling 465 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:18,900 myself in this team and this program is that it feels like 466 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:24,800 some significant steps backward were taken and there doesn't 467 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,400 seem to be a clear pathway towards getting better down the 468 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:35,000 line now, maybe that changes but you know we're almost halfway 469 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,000 through this season and While the team has won one more game 470 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,800 this year than they did last year, they in many phases look 471 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,300 as bad and in a couple of phases, I think, actually kind 472 00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:51,000 of look a little bit worse and that is really concerning and I 473 00:26:51,008 --> 00:26:54,200 think for a lot of people, it's hard for them to reconcile. 474 00:26:54,600 --> 00:27:00,500 I should be really supportive of Tom Allen when they've not 475 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:05,900 really gotten a lot of tangible things out of the program during 476 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,400 Allen's tenure. Yes. 477 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:12,200 Yes, they got a really cool 2019 season and they got kind of a 478 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,600 dream 20/20 season as abbreviated as it was but there 479 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,900 were no Bowl victories in that and the season that everybody 480 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,900 was told to get really hyped and excited for in 2021. 481 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:27,800 I was just like getting repeatedly kicked in the nuts 482 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,500 for 12 weeks as opposed to having anything really enjoyable 483 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,400 to watch. So that's where Matt, I guess, 484 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,400 you know the answer is, how did we get to a Out of expectation 485 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,200 surpassing reality, I think the push was always. 486 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,800 We're elevating this. We're punching through the 487 00:27:42,808 --> 00:27:47,100 ceiling and I think people believed it and they definitely 488 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,400 didn't do that as a program. They kind of Hit the ceiling and 489 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,100 flopped back down to the floor. And I think, everybody's 490 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,000 standing there right now waiting for them to climb back up again. 491 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:59,300 Now, is all of that fair. I don't know. 492 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:04,200 I mean, there's there's there's your you could find as I've 493 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,000 looked around and I've been involved in podcasting, but IU 494 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,900 football. Talking about IU football for 495 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,400 decades. Now, you can find somebody out 496 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,300 there who will argue almost any state of IU. 497 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,400 Football is the natural state you can. 498 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,500 You can find people who argue that we should just love the 499 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,300 team regardless of what happens even if they go. 500 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:30,200 Oh and 11, you'll find people who will argue to the death. 501 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,500 That this isn't this hard that every other major program has 502 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,400 figured out a way to be at least somewhat. 503 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,700 Good for at least some stretch of its time. 504 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:43,700 You'll find people who will argue that, you know, I use 505 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,000 doing the best with limited Talent you'll find people that 506 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,200 will argue that I use failing to develop great talent that 507 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600 they've actually already got. Or at least very good talent. 508 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,800 You find these arguments and the end people who will make these 509 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,300 arguments literally everywhere. So I don't even know if there is 510 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:03,900 necessarily reality of IU football, you know, I do think 511 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:07,300 that a lot of the old excuses that I you have. 512 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:11,500 Had in the 20th century for not being a good football program, 513 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,900 don't have to exist anymore. You know, it's not a state, a 514 00:29:15,908 --> 00:29:19,500 case where I use football program is criminally under 515 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:21,700 funded by the athletic department or forced to play in 516 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:27,500 decrepit facilities or or you know, is any of those things 517 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:32,200 like I think most of the actual things that kept I you from 518 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,100 being a good football program for the first hundred and ten 519 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:40,800 years hundred, and twenty years, Its existence aren't actually 520 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,800 real anymore. I mean, I use got plenty of 521 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,400 money. They put plenty of money into 522 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,800 their football program and the football program is on average 523 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,600 better than it used to be. And I think that the ceiling of 524 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,700 IU football is a lot higher than it ever used to be because of 525 00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:01,800 the financial factors. But the flip side of that is, we 526 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200 don't really know what the reality is, I think at this 527 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,100 point. So ultimately, I don't know that 528 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,000 I would say fans should be more realistic in their expectations 529 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,800 because I don't think it's unrealistic to say that you know 530 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,700 I you should probably have more than you know four wins in their 531 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:28,700 last what 18 games 17 games. I mean that that does seem I 532 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,100 guess it is 18 games, you know? I mean that that is a pretty bad 533 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:36,500 stretch by any programs calculus and so you know, we'll see I 534 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:40,100 think to some degree You've got some existential dread from fans 535 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,200 who haven't seen enough Improvement in her staring down 536 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600 the barrel of this Big Ten season in a really, very 537 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,300 concerned about how it's going to go. 538 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:51,500 But a lot of that's, you know, it's preliminary. 539 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,200 It hasn't happened yet and you know, I you still got 540 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200 opportunities to go out and win, two, three, even four more 541 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800 games, the rest of the way, you know, but I think if we're 542 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,000 really trying to dig into expectations in reality that's 543 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,300 that's at least where I would read it at this point. 544 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,900 Let's see, some other questions that we had assembly call. 545 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:12,900 Asked us. If you could pick any coach from 546 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:15,600 I use history, including Tom Allen to coach the rest of the 547 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,400 season and your life depended, on Indiana, making a bowl game. 548 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Who would your top three choices? 549 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,700 Be my apologies to your wife and kids for the extreme steaks my 550 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:28,400 wife just kind of shrugged if she heard me read that question 551 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,600 so that that should tell you a lot right there. 552 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:35,100 But I look, I would. This is it's an interesting 553 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:39,800 question. Why do people said Bill Mallory? 554 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,500 I don't I don't know if I have Bill. 555 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,000 Mallory would be my choice here. Mallory was an obviously an 556 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,700 excellent coach. But you know, Mallory it took 557 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:53,400 him a while to build the program to the way that he needed it in 558 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,100 order to win. That's a bit different from 559 00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:00,500 parachuting in and trying to salvage a bowl out of the Season 560 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,000 where, you know, your 3 and 2. And you've got a lot of really 561 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,800 tough games coming up. I'm I'm probably Beau MacMillan 562 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,600 here. You know, I think that Bo had, 563 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,400 you know, really understated levels of success. 564 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,800 He's gotten forgotten by a lot of IU fans just because he 565 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,100 coached during an era that we don't look back on very much 566 00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,600 with IU football them in. There is no bowls during that 567 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,900 time period because the bowl situation was very different but 568 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800 he showed an ability to, to figure out a way to integrate a 569 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200 lot of talent at a time when the Big Ten was was obviously 570 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,900 clearly the best Conference in the nation, Beau MacMillan did a 571 00:32:39,908 --> 00:32:44,500 lot of really awesome things. I would probably go with him at 572 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:46,800 this point, not again, nothing against Mallory. 573 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,600 I would be interested. I got to say and certainly his 574 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,800 performance at IU, did not. Lend itself to what I'm about to 575 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400 say. But you know, if I'm able to 576 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,900 grab any former I you coach at any point in their career, I'd 577 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:09,600 be fascinated to get like 19 7, 1987 or 88 Sam wyche coaching 578 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,000 this team to see if he could install, you know, a workable 579 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000 offense, get the offensive line up and running and and maybe 580 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,300 gimmick. I you to the number of 581 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,300 victories. They need to get to a bowl game. 582 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,500 You know, certainly, I think if you looking at Sam watch his 583 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,200 performance, as I you coach, it's like Absolutely not, but if 584 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000 I've got that Latitude, I might go with Sam wyche. 585 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,300 Mostly because of how, you know, his offensive concepts are still 586 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,600 very modern and I just think that would be a fascinating 587 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,000 scenario. Now, we're not talking to Sam 588 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,300 wyche today obviously but but Sam was in the NFL during that 589 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,600 period was an innovator. Okay. 590 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,900 Why did miss another question from William Henley that was 591 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,400 actually related to the game itself, which was Will Tom 592 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,600 Allen, consider another quarterback depending on how the 593 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,100 Michigan game. Game unfolds. 594 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,900 That's a really interesting question. 595 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,900 There were some people calling for Jack, Tuttle to take the 596 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:06,300 field during the Nebraska game, which I still don't agree with. 597 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,600 And and look, I know there's a lot of people out there that 598 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,400 disagree about the efficacy of Connor basil act and how he's 599 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,300 been performing. And you know I'll just say this 600 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,199 I know Connor basil act has had some bad throws and inaccurate 601 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,699 throws. I also know Connor basil, acts 602 00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:27,600 had very little protection. He said wide receivers Drop 603 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,800 balls that hit them Square in the chest, you know, it's it to 604 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,900 some degree to me. It's it's unfair to expect a 605 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:41,000 quarterback that is not a clear blue chipper and let it kind of 606 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,100 pays like not a clear blue chipper to expect that guy to be 607 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:47,699 on all the time. Be accurate all the time and 608 00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:50,800 then excuse all of the other elements of the offense. 609 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,500 I just don't think that that's particularly fair, you know, 610 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:59,500 philosophically. I think I could see Alan trying 611 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,400 to preserve Connor basil, act for the rest of the season by 612 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,300 pulling him. If I you gets down by a lot 613 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,900 early, I think that would actually it might be the Best of 614 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:11,100 Both Worlds because the chances of IU mounting a comeback worthy 615 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,900 to fall down by a lot against Michigan, would be very low. 616 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,500 The chances of kind of has like getting injured by sticking in 617 00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:19,700 the pocket, slightly too long, trying to make a third to get 618 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,900 Indiana back in the game would be high and it would give you a 619 00:35:23,908 --> 00:35:28,500 chance to at least see What? Jack Tuttle who I'm assuming 620 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:31,000 would be the choice. Given how Jack Tuttle was talked 621 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,600 about as being and, you know, tight competition for the 622 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,600 starting quarterback position all throughout the fall Camp, 623 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,800 period. I'm assuming he would be the guy 624 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,700 that would get the call. It would at least give you a 625 00:35:39,707 --> 00:35:41,100 chance to see what he looked like. 626 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,000 I think if it's a closer game. No I don't think there's any way 627 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000 that Alan's going to deviate from Basel act because frankly, 628 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,600 this team has enough problems on offense right. 629 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,900 Now, the last thing you need is to undercut the confidence of 630 00:35:54,908 --> 00:35:58,200 your starting quarterback. I just I don't think that that 631 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,000 would have any real positive impact and and look, I know you 632 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,200 know, the most popular player on any team as you know, one of the 633 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,100 oldest truisms in football is always the backup quarterback, 634 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,500 but I just don't believe that basil Act is the core of the 635 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:17,000 problems on the offense. And we saw Jack title in several 636 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,000 situations last year and he did not impress, he just didn't, he 637 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,000 had all offseason as the incumbent, Win the starting 638 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,500 quarterback position and he did not which has to tell you 639 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:34,500 something about where his level of play is relative to where 640 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,500 Connor basil. Acts level of play is so you 641 00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,500 know, I wouldn't count anything out but I would be shocked if 642 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:45,900 you know in any scenario other than a blowout situation we saw 643 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:48,400 anybody other than Connor basil like under Center in this game. 644 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,900 Some other questions going on here, what is the most 645 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:56,400 appropriate measure of success? For the rest of the season. 646 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,500 This question from shocked face, what does the athletic 647 00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:03,600 department really do? If I you football loses out and 648 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,800 loses out badly. So, here's the thing, I still 649 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,300 believe so much of what we heard about this. 650 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:13,900 I, you football program was that last year was a fluke last year. 651 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:19,400 Was a cultural train wreck with a bunch of bad apples. 652 00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,500 That left. And that the guys coming in this 653 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,900 year, we're really poised and focused. 654 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:28,900 And, you know, we're really, you know, they were, they were 655 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,100 quietly seething about how bad last year had gone. 656 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:35,000 And they didn't want to, they want this their football careers 657 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000 to go out that way. And they wanted to come back and 658 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,500 prove that they had built a strong Foundation. 659 00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,700 That's a kind of an amalgamation of all the various narratives 660 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,100 that we heard over the course of June and July and August. 661 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,700 So I feel like you have to take that at face value and you have 662 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,000 to say, okay if that's actually the case then you have to 663 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,900 measure this team successes or failures by whether they are 664 00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:07,100 able to get to bowl eligibility. Because look, boiled ability is 665 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:13,600 not that hard for a Big Ten team that is mid-level in the 666 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,900 conference or maybe even slightly below mid-level. 667 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,500 It's yes, you're going to have to win at least two of 668 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,700 Non-conference games to the end of did and you're going to have 669 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,300 to be able to beat teams that are right around your level in 670 00:38:25,308 --> 00:38:29,100 the conference, which Indiana kind of did that against 671 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,400 Illinois. Although you can make an 672 00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:33,700 argument Illinois is better, but then kind of gave up those gains 673 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:37,600 by losing to a Nebraska team. Who in a most recent power pole 674 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,900 I saw was still rated as worse than Indiana. 675 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:45,100 So the these are, these are the things that if you're going to 676 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,900 be a successful program, you have to do. 677 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:50,400 You got to beat Maryland, you got to win a Rutgers you got to 678 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,500 win at home against Purdue, you know, if Michigan state is as 679 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,600 bad as a lot of people think they are, you got to be able to, 680 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,800 you know, win that game. You maybe don't win every single 681 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,500 one of them. But I do think that you should 682 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:04,700 be judged on that and, you know, to me a team that starts the 683 00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:09,000 season 3 and 0 and doesn't make a bowl wasn't very good and 684 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,700 that's what staring Indiana in the face right now, is this idea 685 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:14,100 that they won three games, they weren't impressive. 686 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,600 We talked a lot on this podcast about how we thought it was kind 687 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,400 of fools gold and people needed to be careful and got yelled at 688 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,400 Bit for saying that. But, you know, this is, this is 689 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,400 the situation where this is the, the table you set. 690 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,300 And you're probably not going to go out and beat Michigan, but 691 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,500 you've got opportunities. I think you need to be judged on 692 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:34,600 that. And if Indiana doesn't make a 693 00:39:34,607 --> 00:39:38,200 bowl, then it's like there's like a level down. 694 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,900 It's like, all right. Well, was this a disaster? 695 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:45,100 Or was it just a disappointment and and was it an unlucky sort 696 00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,800 of season. I don't think that you can count 697 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,800 unlucky, you know, because I think in the end Anna frankly 698 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,500 has picked up two wins already by being lucky. 699 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,600 But I do think that as we cast forward, if Indiana doesn't win 700 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,300 another game, that's clearly a real problem and that gets to 701 00:40:02,308 --> 00:40:04,300 your second question. What does he have let apartment 702 00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:07,000 really do. If I, you football loses out, 703 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,200 look. And we've said this before, I 704 00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:12,300 don't, there's not going to be any change at the top. 705 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:20,000 I do wonder if we start to see the athletic department saying, 706 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,200 you know, we should maybe re-evaluate some of the Staffing 707 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,400 decisions that you've made Tom. Are you really sure that this is 708 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:30,200 leading into long-term success? Because here's the numbers, I 709 00:40:30,207 --> 00:40:33,800 mean, you know, we've banged on a lot about the offensive line 710 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,000 on this podcast and I'd highly recommend everybody. 711 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000 Go check out bite-sized bison. The newsletter that Taylor 712 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,800 Layman is writing now about IU football. 713 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,300 Really insightful stuff too. Does an excellent job with the 714 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,100 numbers and kind of understanding how everything 715 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,600 fits together and he put together a post a couple of days 716 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,700 ago. That looked specifically at the 717 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,300 travails of the IU offensive line and its gradual decrease in 718 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:03,400 ratings every year that Tom Alan's been here, you know? 719 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,900 So read the piece. It's really good. 720 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:09,100 We talked about some of the precursors to that on some of 721 00:41:09,107 --> 00:41:11,600 our previous episodes but Taylor lays it out in a really 722 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,500 compelling fashion. You know, I mean, I think Ink. 723 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,900 And I believe said this before. I mean, Tom, Alan's here for the 724 00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:23,600 next couple of years, and and that's going to make for some 725 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,500 interesting times. If Alan is stubborn about his 726 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,100 Staffing because I think we've seen over the course of Valens 727 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,500 tenure. He's made some really good hires 728 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,900 whether it's Kailyn Deborah, Kane Wommack. 729 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,000 He's made some really questionable hires hires that 730 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,400 were questionable at the time and then turned out to be 731 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,900 actually questionable. As we watch them unfold. 732 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,000 So I think there need to be, you know, any change or anything. 733 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000 That would happen with the program if they lost out as you 734 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,300 asked, even if they lost out badly. 735 00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:01,000 I think most of the change would be internal and would be, we 736 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,400 really have to re-evaluate this because we cannot afford to have 737 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,400 this thing, go completely off the rails. 738 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,400 And that's about the most that I would expect. 739 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:13,500 And I think that that's a fair approach to things and it's an 740 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,100 approach to Things that hopefully would have some 741 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,900 positive benefits because as we've talked about on this 742 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,900 podcast, there's a lot of Talent on this roster that hasn't 743 00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:26,300 really developed particularly well at a number of positions. 744 00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:31,600 And yet we've seen IU under Tom Allen, develop talent and have 745 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,800 really successful Seasons. So it's not like there's no 746 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,900 proof that it can be done, because there is proof that it 747 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:39,800 can be done. It just needs to happen again. 748 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,900 And, you know, rebooting a football program is difficult on 749 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:48,600 the Why when you've already rebooted it once so we'll have 750 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,400 to see what happens. There was a similar question 751 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,500 that were from Master night which was as we said on the 752 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,000 Nebraska recap podcast, Tom Island isn't going anywhere for 753 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200 a few years as fans, are we to accept mediocrity for that long. 754 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,600 So it since it seems like nothing would change and that's 755 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,100 where I think what I just said, really is what that's going to 756 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:12,200 be the mark of things. I mean, II think, you know, Alan 757 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,000 clearly does some things very well. 758 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:20,600 He also does some things not that well and has to have these 759 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,100 talked about it. I mean just on offense. 760 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,900 He's he's not very he's not a guy who's going to want to take 761 00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:28,100 over the offense he wants someone running that but you 762 00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,500 have to have both position coaches and an offensive 763 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,100 coordinator in place. Who can do what you need to do 764 00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,500 if you're going to focus on the defense, you know. 765 00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:42,100 So Alan has shown at times a willingness to change on certain 766 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,800 things. And I think in this Mario, and 767 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,100 we're talking just about a very specific scenario, you know? 768 00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,000 I think you'd have to see more of that because I just don't 769 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,900 think from a departmental perspective that it would be 770 00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:58,200 acceptable to have another season that goes very poorly and 771 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,900 to, you know, essentially like allow the status quo at least 772 00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,200 internally to remain as it as it has been. 773 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,800 So that'll be, I think a really fascinating thing to watch. 774 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,400 But look, when I think about the season, I think there's still a 775 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,700 lot left to be played. And there's opportunities for 776 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:22,500 Indiana to pick itself up off the carpet a little bit here and 777 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:25,600 play better. And, you know, they've got 778 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,700 opportunities to win games. So, I think a lot of what 779 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,200 happens, it's hard to really predict or Divine, it really 780 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,100 just kind of depends on, you know, how the team finishes up 781 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:41,600 the season and then what that looks like in retrospect. 782 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,400 We also got a follow-up question, There since I you got 783 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000 to share that sweet media deal. When will we see major upgrades 784 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,200 to the facilities like the old practice facility? 785 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,200 You know? I mean I think I do think that 786 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,900 there will be probably a new practice facility at some point 787 00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:04,700 in the next five years. I don't know that it will be as 788 00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:09,200 opulent as what some people have seen elsewhere because I just 789 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,900 don't think there's a perception at a school, the level of 790 00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:15,900 Indiana that that's going. To move the needle with recruits 791 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:20,000 the way that. You might think that it would 792 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:23,900 and I say that from this perspective you know Clemson's 793 00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,100 going to go out and build a ridiculous workout facility. 794 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:30,000 Ohio State's going to like those schools are in competition with 795 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,300 each other. For the top recruits Indiana by 796 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:36,400 building a new practice facility is not going to be in 797 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,400 competition with those schools. Now, I do think Indiana needs a 798 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,500 better practice facility for the schools of they are in 799 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:46,800 competition with for recruits. But I think that is still viewed 800 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,600 as perhaps not the most critical facilities upgrades. 801 00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:55,200 So we'll see. I do think the other thing to 802 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,600 keep in mind about the the meet you deal money, is that money 803 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,800 may already be spoken for to some degree. 804 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,400 I mean I'll there's a lot of debt out there from covid. 805 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,000 There's a really great possibility that the court case. 806 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,400 It's winding its way through the system right now is going to 807 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,100 mean that college athletes end up being employed. 808 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,300 Knees, which means that you gotta millions of dollars a 809 00:46:16,308 --> 00:46:21,100 year, you're paying two players. So I think any perspective 810 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,900 facilities, money would probably be put on the back burner a 811 00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:27,700 little bit until all that stuff gets settled out, but it's an 812 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:32,200 interesting set of questions. Let's see. 813 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,200 Let the that's about it actually. 814 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,900 Oh well, we did have one question from the the IU bison. 815 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:39,900 How many weeks until you give up? 816 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,900 Look, I think to some degree, that depends on. 817 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,700 Like I never really give up until I. 818 00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:50,000 You officially, you know, gets to a point where they can't 819 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,400 qualify for a bowl. And then it's kind of like well, 820 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,100 you know, and something, you know, to be fair, you know, 821 00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,400 under the Tom Allen are that really hasn't happened until the 822 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,700 last game of the season, except for last year, where it happened 823 00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:05,300 in, what the new century was. The Ohio State game last year. 824 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,200 Whereas like, yeah, they could theoretically come back, but 825 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,900 they're basically dead in the water at this point, you know? 826 00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:13,600 I think for me it comes down to this. 827 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:20,000 What happens in these next three games is really where I, you 828 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,800 know, at least emotionally. Decide whether I'm still on or 829 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,800 whether I have to just close the door and turn off my phone and 830 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,100 just sit in the dark for a while, you know, I mean I'm not 831 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,200 expecting them to fare. Well, at all against Michigan. 832 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:39,300 It's a terrible match up for IU. It's a, it's a Michigan team 833 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:44,200 that's really on a roll and I think that they're still players 834 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,100 on that roster. That remember coming in here and 835 00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:50,300 getting waxed a couple of years ago and probably pretty upset 836 00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,200 about it and want to set the record straight. 837 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,700 So to speak. But how Indiana responds in the 838 00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,600 two games? After Maryland at home? 839 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,800 And then at Rutgers, that's really I guess we're 840 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,800 emotionally. I would have to make the 841 00:48:03,808 --> 00:48:06,400 decision whether to stick around and give up if they lose that 842 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,600 Maryland game. You know, at that point your 843 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,300 three and four and it just feels at that point like it's all over 844 00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,000 if they win that game and then lose at Rutgers I think you're 845 00:48:18,008 --> 00:48:21,400 probably still on the bandwagon. Although that would, that would 846 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,000 be a You're not in great shape. At that point obviously you're 847 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,200 you're really struggling to see where the other two wins are 848 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,000 going to come from. So I guess it's right around 849 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,700 this time period. But you know, I will always 850 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:39,300 watch and I will always comment and I will always hope the best 851 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:44,500 for this IU team but I just don't, I you also, if you done 852 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,300 this, these Seasons long enough, you you kind of know internally 853 00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:53,000 like when the clock hit midnight and I mean, I As with you folks 854 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,300 like it kind of felt that way a little bit last week. 855 00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,200 I think that's why I was irritated as I was about the 856 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,200 Nebraska game because that felt like the kind of game that if 857 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,600 Indiana was going to be good this year they would have 858 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,400 figured out a way to win and they didn't but I'm willing to 859 00:49:06,408 --> 00:49:08,000 give them the benefit of the doubt. 860 00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:09,700 Some of that will be wrapped up in. 861 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,600 Do they go out and compete against Michigan? 862 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,400 Because we saw Maryland compete against Michigan on the road. 863 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,400 Shirley Indiana. Could compete against Michigan 864 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,500 at home if they're of that caliber. 865 00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,900 And then obviously when they faced off against Maryland, a 866 00:49:21,908 --> 00:49:24,900 team They have to beat if they're gonna have any chance at 867 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:28,300 doing anything, that would be considered a successful season. 868 00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,600 I think those are going to be the the Hallmark points for me 869 00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:36,000 as we move forward here. Anyway, you know final word I 870 00:49:36,008 --> 00:49:39,800 guess on the Michigan game. The line is anywhere between 21 871 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,100 and 23 right now for you know, in favor of Michigan. 872 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,200 I I tend to think that's probably going to be what it is 873 00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,600 this. I used to go to these games. 874 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,900 A lot when I was A kid, you know, Indiana playing Michigan 875 00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,800 and you just you just felt like they were on another tear from 876 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,700 you. And I think that's the case this 877 00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,600 year, which is a real shame, you know, given Indiana, just beat 878 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,600 them two years ago, but they just feel like They're far off 879 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,800 in the distance and they are going to get better as the 880 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,700 week's go by. So I would say, at this point I 881 00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,000 like Michigan to put a lot of points on the board. 882 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,700 I think they're, you know, even if they have to divert from the 883 00:50:24,707 --> 00:50:27,000 run, I think they've got enough quality at quarterback and a 884 00:50:27,008 --> 00:50:28,800 wide receiver. Take advantage of this IU. 885 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,600 Secondary, who still is really struggling and struggled last 886 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,500 week. So I'll, you know, I'm going to 887 00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,000 predict the housing Indiana's offense is really going to 888 00:50:37,008 --> 00:50:40,200 struggle because this Michigan defense is very Good. 889 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,100 I've a lot of talent, a lot of speed. 890 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,600 So I'm going to say, like, let's say. 891 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:51,500 Michigan, 40, Indiana, 14, you, I think it's going to be 892 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,700 something like that. One of those games where it's 893 00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:58,100 pretty much over by halftime or maybe early in the third 894 00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:01,900 quarter. And look, I on the one hand, you 895 00:51:01,908 --> 00:51:04,300 know, you're already a twenty Twenty-One twenty-two Point 896 00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:07,100 Underdog is that a huge amount of shame in losing by that much, 897 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,700 but I would hope that, you know that Deanna's got some juice 898 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:12,600 left in them. This year, that they would be 899 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,800 able to figure out a way to make it, at least a ballgame through 900 00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:20,400 halftime and you never know. You get past that, who knows, 901 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800 whatever happens at that stage. So anyway, thanks to all you 902 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,700 folks for listening is always a fun time here. 903 00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:28,700 Talking about IU football getting some questions from you. 904 00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,200 All be sure to tune in on Sunday, as we will have our 905 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,900 regular postgame, wrap-up show, Sunday morning will put that out 906 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,900 sometime around noon and if you're driving in Homecoming 907 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,000 again, welcome back to Bloomington. 908 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,900 Welcome back to campus. Have a great time. 909 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,700 We will catch you folks on the flip side, bring back the Bison. 910 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:48,800 So long everybody.