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So Indiana in action, this 38 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:25,900 weekend, as they take on Ohio State, it has been a long time 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,500 since Indiana even came, you know, like got a point off of 40 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:35,600 Ohio State in terms of soccer. Parlance, I guess you would say 41 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,000 is Deanna the last time they didn't lose to Ohio. 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,300 State was 1990 when they tied. Oh hi. 43 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,500 Yo, State and then they'd won the two previous games before 44 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:50,700 that. But this is not a series, that's 45 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:53,000 really been in any way shape, or form. 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,600 A good thing for Indiana, one of the longest losing streaks, in a 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,100 power five conference, maybe the longest at this point, as 48 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:02,500 Indiana has just gotten beaten down consistently by Ohio State 49 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:05,100 over the course of time. And it really doesn't look like 50 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:09,100 that's going to change this weekend as the Hoosiers go in. 51 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:12,500 I'm checking the line right now. This is up-to-date. 52 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:17,400 They are The point Underdog in this game, 40 40. 53 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:21,300 And the line on this game is only 59, which I think is 54 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:26,700 actually the funnier of the two things related to this game. 55 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:31,300 You know, because it essentially means that Vegas thinks Indiana 56 00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:37,100 is going to lose by at least 40 points and Indiana in that. 57 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:42,900 Mix is not going to score any more than 19 points in the game 58 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:46,400 and that Those both seem like pretty pretty likely outcomes 59 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,700 given that Indiana is only averaging about 21, 22 points 60 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:52,700 per game. So far this season only one 61 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:55,100 point six percent chance of Victory. 62 00:03:55,100 --> 00:04:00,800 According to fpi the numbers, do not look good and Indiana. 63 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,000 At the end of the day is one of those programs that, you know, 64 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,400 it felt like for a moment, they had gotten within touching 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,500 distance of me, know, maybe being able to spring it upset at 66 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:14,600 some point against Ohio State and that Looks like it's about 67 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,899 as far away from reality as humanly possible. 68 00:04:16,899 --> 00:04:20,000 At this point is one of those things I always bring up when I 69 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:27,200 talk about Indiana and I talked about the, the frustration of 70 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,300 what's happened with Indiana football, over the course of 71 00:04:30,308 --> 00:04:35,200 time, I've got this spreadsheet, which I would be happy to send 72 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,300 you access to if anybody wants to request it. 73 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:40,100 And the title of the spreadsheet is Indiana football, history 74 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:44,200 makes you cry. And it's it's a Log of a bunch 75 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,600 of different things about IU football that I had to write 76 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,500 down because I wouldn't have believed it. 77 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:52,000 And probably if I told other people would, they would not 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,700 have believed it, unless I had had kind of, you know, Visual 79 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:58,300 Evidence that I'd written down that highlighted some of the 80 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:00,700 Ridiculousness. And one of the things that I 81 00:05:00,707 --> 00:05:08,000 find ridiculous is, if you look at Indiana versus Michigan and 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,300 Indiana versus Ohio State, the number of times that Indiana has 83 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:18,600 beaten either of those programs, since the late 80s is zero 84 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,300 except well, it's one now with Michigan. 85 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:24,500 They did beat Michigan in 2020, but, you know, that was the 86 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:27,800 first time that Indiana had beaten Michigan since 1988, and 87 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,500 it was only the second time that Indiana had beaten Michigan, 88 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,600 since 1967. And, and that is crazy. 89 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,600 When you think about Michigan, because Michigan has actually 90 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,400 been beaten a lot by other teams in the conference. 91 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:47,000 Not normal to just get beaten year after year. 92 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 After year, even by a team that is significantly above you in 93 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,700 the standings. And this is always what I've 94 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:55,800 found frustrating about IU is like, you think about taking 95 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,200 Michigan as an example? And I have didn't update. 96 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:05,600 I haven't updated this sheet since the 20/20 season, but from 97 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,200 1987 to 2020, the following teams beat Michigan, the 98 00:06:10,207 --> 00:06:13,100 following number of times, Ohio state had beaten them, 21, and a 99 00:06:13,108 --> 00:06:16,400 half, Five times, they there was a tie in one of those Michigan 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,100 state has beaten them. 14 times. I would beaten them eight and a 101 00:06:19,108 --> 00:06:21,200 half times. Penn State had beaten them. 102 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,600 Nine, Wisconsin, had beaten them seven. 103 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,900 Illinois had beaten them, four and a half times Northwestern 104 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:30,000 and Purdue at both, beaten them. Four times Minnesota had beaten 105 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,400 them twice, Nebraska had beaten them twice, Maryland, beaten 106 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,400 them once, and Rutgers had beaten them once, and Indiana 107 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,800 had beaten them 0 times during that time period. 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,300 That is like, not just wild, but it's really frustrating when you 109 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:47,300 Think about it, because it just highlights that of all the 110 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:51,300 program, like even Rutgers even Maryland even Minnesota even 111 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:55,600 Northwestern has been able to scalp Michigan at least once or 112 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,800 twice, but not Indiana. And then you look at Ohio State 113 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,400 and again, I haven't updated this since the 20/20 season, 114 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,200 although Ohio State's barely lost anybody in the conference 115 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,100 during that time. But just going off that stretch 116 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:12,300 of time from the 89 season, which was the year after the 117 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:15,900 last time, Indiana, beat Ohio State until the 2020 season and 118 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:17,900 you can add a couple more to this if you want. 119 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:21,600 You know how state has lost less to other teams in the 120 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:25,900 conference? But You look at it Michigan's, 121 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:29,300 beaten them, 11 and a half times in that span Penn State's beaten 122 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,000 them. Eight times, Illinois, seven 123 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 times, Wisconsin, six-and-a-half. 124 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Michigan State, five Purdue five, Iowa, three, Minnesota, 125 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,200 Nebraska Northwestern, one each Indiana, one half of a game that 126 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,800 was that that tie in 1990 and then Maryland and Rutgers have 127 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,800 not beaten them although they get a little asterisk there 128 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,600 because they hadn't been the conference that long. 129 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:54,900 So you're talking about essentially for I If you just 130 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:59,000 bump that forward a little bit, the start of the 1991 season. 131 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:02,900 You don't lose a lot, you lose a couple of Illinois wins and you 132 00:08:02,907 --> 00:08:05,900 lose a couple of Michigan wins, but all the rest of the numbers 133 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:09,700 that I quoted you are the same and it's like, at some point 134 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,500 Indiana needs to be able to beat in Ohio State or be to Michigan. 135 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,400 It is, it is not. If you look at every other team 136 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,600 in the conference, including the historically, poor teams in the 137 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,600 conference, like the northwestern's, like the 138 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,600 Minnesota's. Like the Purdue's Indiana has 139 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,200 not been able to, you know, get even one or two positive 140 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,799 outcomes against Ohio State and all those other programs have 141 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,900 and that is really frustrating. And that is absolutely very much 142 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:42,600 likely to continue as we go into the game this weekend. 143 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,100 And we got some questions from the folks on Twitter. 144 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:47,900 And while Twitter is still alive. 145 00:08:47,900 --> 00:08:50,200 I figured we would answer those questions. 146 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,800 So I'm going to take these in no particular order. 147 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,000 We had several questions from a variety of different people. 148 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Many of them, expressing concern. 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Taylor Layman asked, how are you still living? 150 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:07,000 I honestly don't know. You know, someone asked me a 151 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,200 similar sort of question and it was, what was it was more of a 152 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,800 statement. This was from Dominator. 153 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,600 I don't know how you continue to devote time to football 154 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,800 coverage, but since you do, I will listen and suffer along 155 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,900 side. You, thank you Dominator. 156 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,100 You know, it's, it's almost it's an unhealthy. 157 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,700 Cathy relationship, this, this podcast, and I you football, but 158 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:32,000 it's also kind of a morbid Fascination at this point 159 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,700 because it's, as we've talked about on a lot of the post game 160 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:44,100 podcasts, it's you go through all of the Hat, the the gradual 161 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:48,800 slow disappointments of the early and mid 2010. 162 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,400 And you see the program kind of getting up to a point where it 163 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,100 feels like it's competitive. Finally. 164 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:55,400 And you're like, wow. This is what I've always wanted. 165 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,700 This is what, you know, my parents had and I had when I was 166 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:01,100 a kid like a program that was quasi competitive in the 167 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:06,600 conference, and then now like this year last year, you watch 168 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,000 the team and it's just like you're almost, it's like that 169 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Doc Rivers GIF where he's just kind of staring at the court 170 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,400 with his mouth open. That's essentially how I think 171 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,700 we feel here at Crimson cast whenever we're watching this I 172 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:23,900 you football team play because it's just it's almost 173 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:28,500 inconceivable how bad they've looked over the course of the 174 00:10:28,508 --> 00:10:32,100 last two seasons given what we had seen the previous six or 175 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:35,100 seven. So yeah, it's it's a bit rough 176 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:36,300 but what are you going to do about it? 177 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,000 At this point? We had a good bunch of questions 178 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,800 about the about the underdog question. 179 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,900 Pat Gilchrist asked, how are we a big 10 team and forty one 180 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:47,500 point underdogs who peroxy acid in the past 10 years has any big 181 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:49,600 10 team been a 41-point underdog? 182 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,500 That's a good. I don't have the answer to that. 183 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:55,500 I tried to look this up. And I'm still in the process of 184 00:10:55,500 --> 00:11:00,300 searching for it. I am sure that Rutgers at some 185 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:04,300 point in the Chris Ash era was a 41-point underdog probably to 186 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:07,500 Ohio State. So this seems like a huge number 187 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,600 and it is a huge number and it is frankly. 188 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:13,500 It's embarrassing that I you footballs kind of devolved to 189 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:17,900 the point it just in a couple of Seasons where they would be a 190 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:22,300 seven touchdown Underdog basically or six touchdown 191 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:23,200 Underdog. Sorry. 192 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,300 I guess seven touchdowns. If you don't kick any extra 193 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:31,200 points, the that they would be that big of an underdog to any 194 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,300 team. Let alone a team in their 195 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:36,000 conference. We're not talking Alabama and 196 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,800 granted Ohio State's kind of in that strata but I just it 197 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,300 highlights a bunch of problems and it highlights you know, 198 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:48,300 obviously a lack of talent development, lack of coaching 199 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:53,100 Acumen lock of of luck, lack of a bunch of different things. 200 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:59,700 And You know, it's it's the one thing I will say is that I don't 201 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:03,100 know that it's necessarily one of those situations where I you 202 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,700 is going to lose by that many points because I mean IU has 203 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:11,400 certainly lost by that many points but it feels like the the 204 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:16,100 absolute blowouts are kind of reserved for when Indiana plays 205 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:19,600 Wisconsin. You know I there have been some 206 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,200 blowout certainly when it comes to Indiana Ohio State and You 207 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,600 know, you'll all you have to do is go back and look at the game 208 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,300 in 2021, you know, that was a 40. 209 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:36,000 What 47 Point loss, that Indiana suffered forty one point loss in 210 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,200 2019, you know, but it feet like you just see 40 pointer, 41, 211 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,700 Point, Underdog, and it feels inconceivable and there was a 212 00:12:42,708 --> 00:12:44,900 long stretch. There were Indiana wasn't losing 213 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:49,600 by that much. Now, they lost by 28 in 2013, 214 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:56,300 they lost by 15 and 2014 they lost by Seven in 2015 they lost 215 00:12:56,300 --> 00:13:02,900 I think by 21 in 2016 they lost by 28 in 2017, these don't sound 216 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:07,500 great now that I read them but that's that's very Deanna's and 217 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:11,000 I just I think it'll land more on the heavy side and look I 218 00:13:11,008 --> 00:13:14,300 mean it there are worse lines out there. 219 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:17,500 There aren't a whole lot of worse lines at this point, you 220 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:21,800 know, but but Indiana is definitely I think a poor value 221 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:27,200 and it does feel like Whatever shine Indiana had maintained in 222 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,800 the eyes of the betting public in the aftermath of the 2020. 223 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,800 Season has completely gone because if you, those of you who 224 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,700 wager and follow lines know that last year, Indiana, even though 225 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:42,400 it was clear that they were completely adrift by about this 226 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,100 point in the season was still getting quite a bit of respect 227 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,900 from Vegas, and that is absolutely gone at this point 228 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:50,700 and can't really blame them. I mean, you Indiana goes into 229 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:54,000 this game with essentially an offense that can't move. 230 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,600 All a quarterback that may or may not have been injured and 231 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,700 may or may not have the confidence of the coach, a 232 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:04,000 defense that really has struggled in a lot of key 233 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,900 moments and a lot of injuries on top of that involving, some of 234 00:14:07,908 --> 00:14:10,400 their best players. Cam Jones, still out, probably 235 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,800 out for the rest of the season. If you read the tea leaves, 236 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,200 camper out for the rest of the season. 237 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,900 You know, you've lost Matthew Bedford. 238 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:21,900 That happened very early obviously, and yeah, just not 239 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:24,600 ideal by any means. Let's see. 240 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:29,400 A lot of other questions that I wanted to get to Derek Fields. 241 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:35,000 The the 2023 class is down significantly compared to the 242 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,500 last few years. The talk about the recruiting 243 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,600 class. When you compare that with the 244 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,000 possibility of promising players, going into the portal, 245 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,200 just how far can the Hoosier sink next season if Allen's 246 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,100 buyout was half of what it is. Now would Alan be fired. 247 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:55,000 So, this is where I have to, first of all, you know, Jump on 248 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,800 the recruits side of things. Now, right now if you take the 249 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:05,700 24/7 Sports composite which you should Indiana is ranked 84th 250 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,400 overall in terms of recruiting class, going into this upcoming 251 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,300 year, and that's certainly not good. 252 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,000 However, there's a caveat with that that you have to keep in 253 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,200 mind and this is something that I've heard over and over again, 254 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,400 from Zach, Osterman. And from folks that have covered 255 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,900 recruiting more closer than I have. 256 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:27,900 Of which is you kind of have to take the recruiting numbers with 257 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:31,100 a grain of salt. Because so much of the numbers 258 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:35,100 in the rankings are tied to the total number of recruits that 259 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,000 are coming in, are right now. Indiana, only has nine players 260 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,000 signed now that's not because Indiana can't like, you know, 261 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,700 isn't isn't competitive for other players, but it's largely 262 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,600 because there are so many players on this Indiana roster 263 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,100 that may not leave. Their may not be scholarships 264 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:55,600 available because of the uncertainty of David years of 265 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,800 Eligibility being granted. And you know, you look at this 266 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,100 Indiana roster and right now it looks like a roster that's going 267 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:07,500 to have a lot of guys leave. But realistically that may not 268 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:11,800 be the case because the players that would normally matriculate 269 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,800 due to graduation, don't have to, and may decide to come back 270 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,600 and play again. And this was something we talked 271 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,000 about in the offseason and leading into this year where it 272 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000 was, you know? I mean, if things go the way you 273 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,300 That Tom Allen had hoped they would go, there was a real 274 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:30,900 chance that they'd have essentially the same roster for 275 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:34,700 a couple of years and, you know, that might actually allow them 276 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:38,200 to build around that same core and if they could pull off a 277 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,400 couple of surprise victories and put themselves in a good 278 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,900 situation this year, maybe that leads to a group that's able to 279 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:48,000 play Better Together. Be just because they are used to 280 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,200 each other and you've got a bunch of guys who have played A 281 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,900 fifth or in some cases. A 6-year right? 282 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,400 Well, maybe not played, but at least been in college football 283 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,400 for that long. Now, that looks a lot worse. 284 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,100 When you think about the fact that Indiana is in a tailspin, 285 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,300 that's now lasted almost two full seasons, and you're 286 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:10,400 probably not adding a whole lot. You may get transfers and this 287 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,400 was something that was brought up in the question. 288 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,300 You may have a lot of guys in the portal. 289 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:17,599 You may have guys just leave that happened to some degree 290 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:21,900 last year, but, you know, and that's a problem in and of 291 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:26,200 itself, just because when you look at the players that I you 292 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,600 brought in through the portal, to replace those players. 293 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,100 They haven't really panned out to a large degree. 294 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:36,200 There have been some small highlights, certainly a camper 295 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,000 was a great find and, you know, I think that Connor basil, like, 296 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,600 overall has been a plus even if he's had Issues behind the 297 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,400 offensive line but a lot of the the transfers that Indiana 298 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,100 brought in, just haven't really impressed. 299 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:55,000 And yeah, yeah, it's a real problem and it's a real concern 300 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,900 and it's hard to Envision things. 301 00:17:56,900 --> 00:18:01,400 I just would be cautious. If I were, you know, a fan and 302 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,400 trying to figure out how to evaluate what's going on with 303 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,300 this team. Don't Focus too much on the 304 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:10,400 overall recruit ranking because it was always going to be pretty 305 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,400 low this year because of the lack of outflux of players. 306 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:15,300 Yeah. And who and what they were going 307 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:20,400 to be trying to recruit. So all that said to answer the 308 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,900 rest of Derek's question. How far can the Hoosiers sink 309 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,400 next year? I mean, look, there are 12 games 310 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,900 in the season. I mean, I look at, I find it 311 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:34,400 hard to believe that Indiana would at this stage. 312 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,100 You know, I mean it right where they've been at the last couple 313 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:42,800 of years last year. And now this year does kind of 314 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,700 feel like They might end up being barring a huge turnaround 315 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:49,300 and I don't know where that huge turnaround would come from 316 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:52,500 because that was what was supposed to happen this year and 317 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:55,500 then huge is relative. We're talking about like five 318 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:58,700 wins as opposed to two and that is, you know, they looks like 319 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:02,100 they may just wind up with 3 instead of 2 which is not a huge 320 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,600 turnaround as far as the last question of Alan's by. 321 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,200 It was half of where there's now what he be fired. 322 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,200 I mean, if it's half a weird, isn't it still be like 13 323 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,100 million dollars, you know? I mean it's still a A big, big 324 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:19,100 number and so no, I think here's the thing and I know what we get 325 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:21,900 a lot of questions, a lot of comments about Alan, you know, 326 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:24,800 should Allen be fired? You know, the athletic 327 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,600 department has to do something in quotes, things like that. 328 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:33,400 And look I'm I am as frustrated as anybody with the state of IU 329 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,400 football and the sudden lack of direction of the program, I do 330 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,900 think that There's a level of Grace and a level of cushion 331 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,200 that going to back to back bowls and and you know, being ranked 332 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,000 in the top 15 at IU is going to provide even if there was not 333 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,700 the huge buyout. I think that Alan would probably 334 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:00,400 get one more year regardless to get the ship right. 335 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,300 It now he may get two more years that's entirely possible. 336 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:08,700 But you know I just have a hard time believing even with this 337 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:10,600 season and last season back. Back. 338 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:13,700 I have a hard time, envisioning, a scenario given what happened, 339 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:17,400 the previous two years, where there would be a change made 340 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,400 this offseason. And that's, I could be wrong. 341 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:25,300 It's a kind of an unknowable scenario but that's how I feel 342 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:28,500 about it at this point. Some other questions good 343 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:33,600 questions there that by Derek I appreciated, Let's see. 344 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,400 We had a question about Kathy Amos asked about yesterday, was 345 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,200 you national Signing Day in college sports? 346 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,200 Is that different for football? And I missed the football 347 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,300 signees. I think it's important. 348 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:47,000 If you saw the national Signing Day, you can see an eiu football 349 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,300 signings. Really what's going on? 350 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:51,800 Remind you that football has its own separate rules because it's 351 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,200 basically different from the rest of the ncaa's sports and 352 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,200 their National societies February 1st. 353 00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:01,600 So that's when you would just wait, then that's when you'll 354 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,400 see all of the All signage signings happen, Tyler helmet. 355 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,200 Ask could you talk about soccer, please? 356 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,900 At least a little the answer is. Yes, I will talk about soccer a 357 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:13,800 little bit soccer, men's soccer, still alive in the Big Ten 358 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,500 Tournament big win for the Hoosiers, huge win, really at 359 00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:21,300 Maryland. That was, I hope a game if you 360 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:25,100 get a chance to watch that game live, if they replay it on BTN, 361 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:26,700 watch it. Even if you're not a huge soccer 362 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,500 fan, it's really entertaining game. 363 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,400 Indiana with two tremendous goals in the first half, half 364 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400 and then kind of had to white-knuckle it through the 365 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,800 second half as Maryland, who is a very talented team. 366 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:42,000 Made a big comeback scored a goal, almost scored another goal 367 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,500 to tie it up, but Indiana was able to hold him off and 368 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,400 basically due to Maryland, what Marilyn did to Indiana a couple 369 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,600 of weeks ago at Bill Armstrong Stadium, the Hoosiers in that 370 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,100 game had Maryland. They scored in the first half. 371 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:55,900 They held him for almost the whole second half and then 372 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:59,100 Maryland Nick to gold at the very end and that was the 373 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,900 difference between Indiana. Getting a share of the Big Ten 374 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,900 regular season title. And becoming the fourth seat in 375 00:22:04,908 --> 00:22:07,100 the Big Ten Tournament, which is what they ended up being with 376 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:09,400 with that draw. So Indiana. 377 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:12,900 You know, they gain some measure of Revenge on Maryland, who's 378 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:17,000 really become their primary foil in the conference and a very 379 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 gratifying win for toggle these guys. 380 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,200 Not just because Maryland is an insanely annoying collection of 381 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,800 players. I mean you talk about a group, 382 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,200 one of the reasons I like those of you didn't watch the game to 383 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,100 go back and watch it if you want to watch. 384 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Watch a sports team, that becomes almost instantly like 385 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,400 ready-made to hate, just by their actions and their conduct 386 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,000 watch that. Maryland soccer team. 387 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 I mean, they are very talented, no question. 388 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:51,100 But that is the type of Team the way that they play that when 389 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:55,900 soccer players or Socrates get kind of a bad reputation for the 390 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:59,700 dark arts and as they would suck, all it in the Premier 391 00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:00,900 League shit. How Zuri? 392 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:05,200 That's a The perfect example team for that kind of thing. 393 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,700 They really behaved like numbskulls throughout the entire 394 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:12,700 thing and really, you know, credits Indiana for keeping 395 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:14,900 their head and shoulders about them and figuring out a way to 396 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:17,000 come up with a victory in a really hostile environment. 397 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 So, the Hoosiers on the road, this Saturday, excuse me, this 398 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,900 Sunday at noon, they will be taking on Rutgers who kind of 399 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,200 surprised everybody. I think by finishing second in 400 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,000 the conference standings, they knock off. 401 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,600 Ohio State which was a bit of a surprise and they end up posting 402 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:41,000 their first Big Ten Tournament title game, there's going to be 403 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800 a fascinating game, Rutgers really likes to get up and down 404 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,600 the pitch. Indiana a little more controlled 405 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,900 and I think a little more disciplined and Indiana's been 406 00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:54,100 in these situations before this is I believe they're their 407 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:59,900 fourth or fifth consecutive Big Ten, Tournament title game and I 408 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:01,700 like their chances in this one just because I think they'll 409 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:03,900 know how to Until Rutgers in this contest. 410 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,000 So should be a fascinating game that game will be on BTN. 411 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,400 I would highly recommend watching it the Hoosiers. 412 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Always fun to watch at this time of year in soccer. 413 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:17,700 Let's see some other comments and questions that I wanted to 414 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,100 address here where I don't want to go too long in this preview 415 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:24,100 podcast. We had a couple of questions. 416 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:26,500 I you hype, man, do we win any more games? 417 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:30,100 I don't think so. I think at this point, look at 418 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:32,000 the remaining schedule, you're not going to beat Ohio State. 419 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,700 I ate all the people who thought Michigan state was going to be a 420 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,200 game Indiana's going to pick up. It's like you really need to 421 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,300 watch Michigan State like that is a mess of a team but that is 422 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,800 a talented team still and if you had any questions about them 423 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,200 they went into Illinois and pretty much handle the Illini 424 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:52,700 who are still the odds-on favorite to be the Big Ten, West 425 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,200 champions and go to the Big Ten title game. 426 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,500 That's what I'm talking about, particularly irksome things that 427 00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:02,100 would qualify there and then you play Purdue and it approves. 428 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,900 Great this year but Purdue is significantly better than 429 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,400 Indiana. And I don't see how this year's 430 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Purdue Indiana game will be a whole lot different than last 431 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000 year's. Purdue, Indiana game, where 432 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:14,600 Indiana, just can't move the ball. 433 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Indiana can't block Indiana, can't run the ball. 434 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,800 They can't throw the ball and on even if the defense turns into 435 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,800 some kind of a Herculean effort, I mean this is not 2019. 436 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:31,500 You don't have Peyton Ramsey and a quasi functional offensive 437 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:35,300 line and and a good running back to try to move the ball down the 438 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,400 field. And, you know, produce had their 439 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,100 stumbles Purdue has, I think really under achieved relative 440 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:43,200 to what their expectation should have been at the start of the 441 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,300 year but produce not awful and Indiana's awful at this point. 442 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:51,400 So now I think the winning is over in fact I'll be surprised 443 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,800 frankly with the remaining teams on the schedule. 444 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,300 If Indiana gets within 20 points of any of those teams and I hate 445 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:01,700 saying that but I would be really surprised if Indiana is 446 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,300 actually Additive in any of these games. 447 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:10,300 Let's see. We also had a question about We 448 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:11,900 had a bunch of basketball questions, guys. 449 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,100 I'm not asking and answering basketball questions in this 450 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,600 podcast. I'm sorry, I'll ask I'll answer 451 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,800 soccer questions, but I won't answer basketball questions. 452 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,100 We will have more basketball talk coming up soon. 453 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,000 We'll have another podcast probably. 454 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,900 Well, I mean, you may be listening to this on Friday 455 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,200 because we're going to release this after the Bethune-Cookman 456 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,300 game, but we might have a basketball update podcast. 457 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,300 Now that we've seen the Hoosiers a couple of times, we did have a 458 00:26:38,308 --> 00:26:41,200 question from Daddy, who's your ex If someone gave you the keys 459 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,300 to the kingdom, how would you go about writing the ship that is 460 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,600 IU football? If you could wave the magic 461 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,700 wand, to do, whatever you want to do, with the University 462 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,200 athletic department program level. 463 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,600 What would you do? Well, I mean it just I'll say 464 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,400 this I think at this point you have to make another facilities 465 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,700 upgrade. Just as a matter of course I 466 00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:04,300 mean you don't have to go the full Northwestern and build you 467 00:27:04,308 --> 00:27:07,100 know, some new gleaming Stadium. I think actually the Memorial 468 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,000 Stadium Renovations have been fine given What Memorial Stadium 469 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,600 is but you know, certainly new practice facility. 470 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,100 I think at this point, you know, I think there was an argument 471 00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:21,400 against it 10 years ago, there's not really an argument now and 472 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,100 that would give you the opportunity to further, expand 473 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:29,200 your academic and athletic facilities in a way. 474 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,100 That's that would be helpful moving forward. 475 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:37,600 Mellencamp is what close to, what, 30 years old now. 476 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:43,000 And you know, that's just Getting, it's not been in great 477 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,300 shape for a while in terms of how it compares to other 478 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,800 facilities elsewhere. I do think that that would be a 479 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,400 good starting point, you know, look, I think I've always said 480 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,100 the following, I think the big problem that I you football has, 481 00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,800 is that it is a very tough job. It's not an impossible job. 482 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,600 And I think a lot of times people conflate very difficult 483 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,500 with impossible because if you look around college football, 484 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:14,200 the right coach can Can win at any power 5 school with, you 485 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,000 know, resources and recruiting environments that are worse than 486 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,100 Indiana's, you know. And I think I've talked about 487 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:25,000 this on one of the earlier podcasts, if Mike Leach can win 488 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,900 at Washington state. If you know, you can have a 489 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:32,600 coach go in and win at Kansas State, you know, in the, from 490 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,900 where they were in the 90s if you can, if James Franklin can 491 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:39,500 go win at Vanderbilt. If I mean, there are programs 492 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:45,000 out Are that you would look at their resources and look at what 493 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,900 they've got at their disposal and you compare it to Indiana 494 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,600 and it's like even within Indiana's place in the Big Ten. 495 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,700 Indiana should not be this impossible to win at. 496 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:57,000 And I think part of the problem is, you really have to get a lot 497 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,900 of things going for the first time, in a long time, at 498 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:03,400 Indiana, if you're going to be successful, and I think we're 499 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,900 Indiana, makes mistakes is in constantly hiring head coaches. 500 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,700 That either haven't got a lot of experience. 501 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:15,700 The power 5 level or are in their first coaching job or are 502 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,800 bad. Cultural Fitz. 503 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,300 And I think honestly, you could categorize almost every coach 504 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:24,200 that Indiana's hired since Bill. Mallory in one of those 505 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,700 categories can Cameron was, you know he loved I you and he 506 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,700 seemed like an up-and-coming guy but you can't stick a guy who's 507 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,300 never been even a coordinator in the role of Indiana head coach, 508 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:40,500 because it's too hard. To do what you have to do as 509 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,200 Indiana head coach with recruiting with getting alumni 510 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,500 fired up with getting donors. You expecting somebody to do 511 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,500 that and know how to relate to players and get them fired up 512 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,400 and be able to coach them up really well. 513 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,500 It's it doesn't really work that way. 514 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,800 You know, you look at Jerry dinardo, bad cultural fit. 515 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,600 And and honestly, a guy that got hired at a time when the 516 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600 athletic department, who's in complete shambles in the, you 517 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,900 didn't even have an athletic director for two of the years, 518 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:08,400 or a year and a year and a half of the year. 519 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,300 He was here Kepner I think was a good hire. 520 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:16,300 I'm always curious how Heppner the how that experiment would 521 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,400 have gone long term. It was clear, Heppner built 522 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,500 something in a short period of time but that's a guy that had 523 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:25,400 experience running a program. He had he had recruited and 524 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,500 developed a lot of talent. Bill Lynch was not that guy. 525 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:32,400 They'll Lynch was. He had had head coaching 526 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,000 experience but not at this Level. 527 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,400 Kevin Wilson is probably the second best higher of this. 528 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:40,700 Group and Kevin Wilson, hadn't been a head coach but at least 529 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,200 Kevin Wilson, understood what it was like to coach Eddie big-time 530 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,300 program and a Big Ten program separately. 531 00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:49,900 And we do Wilson, certainly made a lot of mistakes. 532 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:55,400 Certainly was not a guy that a lot of people got along with, in 533 00:30:55,408 --> 00:30:57,600 terms of having to work with them on a day-to-day basis. 534 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,400 But built an infrastructure that was had gotten Indiana up to a 535 00:31:03,408 --> 00:31:05,600 point where it was going to be more and more successful. 536 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,800 And I think with Tom Allen what you're seeing is a lot of the 537 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,800 same problems that I just highlighted. 538 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,000 You know, a guy who hadn't have been a head coach had not really 539 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,700 been a defense. Had been a defensive coordinator 540 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:19,300 for what to a year, two years. Maybe three. 541 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:22,000 I for, I don't know how many years of DC, he was at South 542 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Florida, but I can't remember at least off the top of my head. 543 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200 But I just think this is the type of program where you have 544 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,900 to hire somebody with a lot of experience, someone who's not 545 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:36,800 going to be fazed by the cultural realities of To change 546 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,400 a bunch of things around and get people who aren't that. 547 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,300 Excited about a product excited. It can be done. 548 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:46,700 I mean, Tom Allen was great at getting people excited and he's 549 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,600 still here and still gets people excited. 550 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Despite the fact that we don't see a lot coming out of Tom 551 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,800 Allen. Right now, in terms of 552 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,500 long-term, construction of the program, long-term development 553 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,600 of players like that should, that's the piece that's missing. 554 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,100 And that's what you have to have. 555 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:06,600 So you have to find a guy who can can develop and coach That 556 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,800 is at a 2 Star, 3 star, you know, level like Wisconsin does, 557 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,700 like Iowa does. That's how you're gonna. 558 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,400 That's, that's where your meal tickets going to come from. 559 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,500 It's not going to come from Just Energy or just scheme. 560 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,600 And that I think really requires infrastructure being built and 561 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,100 you have to have a person who knows what that looks like, and 562 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,800 knows how to work in it in order for it to be successful. 563 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,900 So that would be my, it's not even a magic wand. 564 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,600 There is no magic wand. The magic Is making the right 565 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,000 higher and making it. Somebody who isn't having to 566 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,900 learn how to be a head coach while also having to learn how 567 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,700 to be a head coach at Indiana for football, because one of 568 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,300 those jobs is hard enough. The second job is probably 569 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:55,400 historically the hardest thing to do in major college football. 570 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,500 So, anyway, that's going to wrap it up. 571 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,400 My score prediction for this week. 572 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,000 I think the weather will play a weird role in this one and I 573 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,900 think Will actually cause Ohio State to not score as many 574 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:10,700 points as one might think. I think they're still going to 575 00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,900 handily win this one and I think Indiana is going to struggle to 576 00:33:12,908 --> 00:33:16,000 move the ball. So I will say Ohio, State wins 577 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,500 this one by the score of 45 to 7 because Indiana will probably 578 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,900 score on their first drive because that's what they do and 579 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,900 but Ohio, and so, I would say does not cover I guess that 580 00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,500 would be a small victory in this one, but they almost to do. 581 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:37,000 So, that'll wrap us up for the View podcast. 582 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200 Be sure to stay tuned. As will have basketball 583 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,600 podcasting coming up very soon. We'll have our recap podcast for 584 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000 this game. It may not go very long but 585 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,100 we'll have that coming up on Sunday for you and a surprise 586 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:53,300 podcast coming up next week, which I think many of you in the 587 00:33:53,308 --> 00:33:57,200 Crimson cast audience will enjoy, will catch you folks on 588 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,400 the flip side? I'm gallon klaviyo. 589 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,100 Bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.