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You're listening to the Back 
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Welcome back to Crimson Cast. 

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GAIL and Clavy are joining you 
once again. 

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It's Friday the 4th of August, 
or as we will forever know it, 

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the day the PAC 12 died. 
As a lot has happened in the 

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last 72 hours in college sports.
And many of you folks out there 

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have been clamoring for some 
podcasting on this because 

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that's what we do here at 
Crimson Cast. 

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And so who are we to deprive the
people of what they want? 

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And that we brought our buddy 
Zach Singer back. 

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You know him from the last time 
we did a realignment podcast and

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he was a very popular guest. 
Always a very popular guest. 

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Zach, good to have you back on 
the show. 

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How you doing? 
Good, slow Newsweek we. 

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We did a podcast 1213 months ago
at most, and I didn't foresee 

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the things we thought could 
happen would all happen inside a

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week. 13 months later, yeah, it 
was we, we we thought about, we 

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talked about all of those, like 
if you go back and listen, most 

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of those things that we talked 
about did indeed occur. 

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It just occurred all at once. 
It was not a long protracted 

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process and there was a lot of 
lying along the way. 

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There was a lot of, lot of, lot 
of purposeful misdirection, a 

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lot of people getting let around
by the nose on X by unnamed 

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sources for negotiation 
purposes. 

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So we're going to dive into all 
that. 

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We obviously are going to cover 
what's happened with the not 

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official but clearly pending 
demise of the Pack Seven. 

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Now I guess it is. 
I think that's what they're at 

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and. 
Now as of 436 Eastern on August 

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4, 2023, they are currently 
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Sitting at that number, yes, 
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We're also going to talk, we're 
going to talk about all the 

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things that kind of led to this.
We're also going to talk through

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what are the next, if any, other
dominoes that fall. 

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There's been a lot of noise from
certain other parts of the 

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country that I feel like we need
to dive into. 

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So we're going to tackle that as
well. 

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Before we get to that just a 
reminder that here Crimson Cast 

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were part of the back home 
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fabrics and cool designs. 
They just dropped a new UTEP 

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collection which I I got to tell
you you know the the old saying 

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is the good brand doesn't miss. 
They really didn't miss here. 

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I mean this is, this is like the
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I mean to you tap, which I think
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school brand wise. 
In a lot of ways. 

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What they've done with this 
collection, it it speaks to and 

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I think really plucks the 
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longtime college sports 
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It's really something else. 
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It's an incredible roll out from
home field as part of their 

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announcement that they're 
joining the PAC 12. 

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This is really just great for 
you, TAP. 

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They've got that. 
They've got all the other PAC 12

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schools in there. 
They have so much great stuff 

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for Colorado School of Mines, 
which is one I own who's 

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slippery rocks in there and to 
be all who's new rival, no so 

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many different things. 
The Texas Western 1966 shirt 

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though is so good. 
It's it's really. 

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Really fabulous stuff. 
And the great thing? 

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To make sure none of us have a 
bank account. 

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It's very it's a it's a 
fascinating that they really 

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should go into politics with 
this kind of fundraising 

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approach because this is how you
do it. 

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But no, if you would like to 
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Again that's home field 
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Give them a follow on Instagram 
as well. 

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Always some good stories behind 
the brands, behind the mascots 

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that you will want to listen to 
and watch. 

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All right, and. 
They have an excellent tshirt 

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for the 2023 national champions.
I've not been on since that 

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happened, a basketball Louisiana
State women that you're talking 

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about here. 
That's an irrelevant That 

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championship doesn't count. 
No, I've come with the men's 

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basketball program that has five
national championships since the

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war. 
Ah, the you can Huskies. 

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So the one that's the program 
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permanent conference, is that 
the one? 

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Well, we're in one. 
It's just different than. 

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Some of the four and a half 
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it's just like making 65,000,000
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If you just change the numbers 
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end, it's kind of similar that 
you know that it's it's a 

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rounding error, right? 
It's just a. 

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It's just a big one. 
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And that's the sort of 
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for them, Washington State and 
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Fans will need to get used to 
Callen Stanford too, but they've

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got so much money. 
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Probably. 
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I don't know where you want to 
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Well, let's, let's kind of start
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looked like about two weeks ago 
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And I think that this is 2 
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That's it. 
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This was not. 
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I was out in California on 
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I was. 
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I could see the Pacific Ocean 
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It was it was delightful. 
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You know, you got neighboring 
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He was, he was asking me my 
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things like that. 
It was, it was great. 

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Clearly I gave him some. 
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No, it was funny because, you 
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out there in California and 
it's, it's fascinating the 

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number of Big 10 like apparel 
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Anyway, I was wearing my I U 
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Weirdly, there was, you know, 
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But you know, I'm, I'm out there
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just like, well, there's not a 
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because surely we would have 
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We did have the, you know, the 
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all this off was the PAC 12 
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Because you know that you have 
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these, the coaches come out and 
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on with the football season. 
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from the conference commissioner
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hey, here's the state of the 
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thing, Zach, that was missing 
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football. 
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long last, surely surely George 
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media deal in advance of it so 
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They didn't. 
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Kliakoff dropped a real whopper 
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But even this spin I thought was
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that, you know, it's actually 
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The longer we wait, the better 
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So it. 
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like single 33 year old male 
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the table to his family. 
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single and it's never been true,
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they waited longer and I think 
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deal didn't get better, it did 
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Well, and this is. 
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better, yes. 
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that that part happened that 
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that that's noopsie also that 
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announced, but it is coming, 
which they've been how how many 

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months had they been promising 
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forthcoming where we had been? 
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more than I've seen that Dan 
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posted on my timeline where he 
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Well, the thing was going in 
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you know, Austria 1913, They 
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were looking for a reason. 
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they had their president, maybe 
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expecting to see numbers. 
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So Colorado said, well, if there
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because the Big 12 has numbers. 
They have in fact a fully signed

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and executed television deal, a 
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don't know yet. 
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under reported in all this. 
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and now nobody's asking any 
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the New Deal has in it, right? 
So Colorado decides to go back 

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to its old home, the Big 12. 
That happened, what, 9 days ago?

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If I think yes? 
And it was news that was greeted

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with kind of a shrug, which I 
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here's a member that you went 
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With the same school president 
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Yes, that was there. 
Then yes, you you went out and 

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and purposefully grabbed this 
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time and put them in the PAC 12.
And then when they leave it's 

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well, you know they they were, 
they were not really an 

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important member of the 
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And you know we didn't need that
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were in. 
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spun in a in an odd way, and it 
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okay, well, maybe they do have a
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That and that's why they're so 
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And then of course, as the week 
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about the PAC 12 meeting where 
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media rights deal and shock to 
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were paying attention. 
They basically got the MLS deal.

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And that's not really a good 
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conference to trying to compete 
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Well, yeah, because MLS can go 
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go subscriptions. 
I don't think Alabama is joining

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the PAC 12 so. 
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It's actually even different 
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So when Colorado left, and I 
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fascinating to me how all we 
heard last summer about with the

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LA schools was the markets. 
Denver market leaves the PAC 12 

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and there's nobody's talking 
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lost to LA and Denver and are in
the West which seemed well and 

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the and the other piece and and 
this was the the funny wrinkle 

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leading into PAC 12 media day 
was the whole saga of San Diego 

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State who oh. 
I hadn't even thought of that. 

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Had that was had long been 
rumored like, this is the team 

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that they're going to bring in 
and you get the San Diego 

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market, they're going to help 
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market, which that on its face 
was always like wacko. 

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Hilarious, but. 
Insane. 

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But it was a plan. 
But they're going to do that at 

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least. 
But it was predicated on the 

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idea that there would be a media
deal for them to join. 

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They get to the day, 
essentially. 

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And it's like, there's no media 
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And then there's this whole saga
where San Diego State had 

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already submitted a letter to 
the Mountain West announcing 

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they were leaving. 
And the Mountain West was like, 

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all right. 
And then the president of San 

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Diego State was like, oh, 
actually, no, that wasn't 

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actually what we meant. 
We were just inquiring about 

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whether it was possible to leave
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And and that all ends up, Zach. 
With San Diego State announcing 

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they weren't leaving the 
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staying in the Mountain West and
wouldn't be joining for at least

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another year. 
And now looks like they're not 

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joining at all. 
Because, well, for certain aid 

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to join, first of all. 
Second of all, the exit fee for 

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Mountain West goes to $34 
million and as a school that 

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just built a brand new football 
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they have got negative $34 
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So, and by the way, it came out 
yesterday that they do owe the 

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Mountain West Conference legal 
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That are being deducted. 
So this entire charade has only 

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cost San Diego State, is only 
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$96,000. 
I'd say that's a pretty good 

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deal compared to what Oregon 
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this, but what? 
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named their AD the AD of the 
Year, which is just such a 

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description of how trade 
magazines work. 

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No, don't give it to Dave 
Benedict, the UConn ID. 

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Maybe we can win another 
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attention and not do this shit, 
but whatever. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, so we moved. 

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So. 
The Eagle State isn't going 

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right, so the PAC 12 is sitting 
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Not doing anything else. 
Having now in January George 

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Kliakoff went to SMU, was on the
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SMU basketball game. 
Not hard to do. 

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There's like 6 people one of 
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So you get they he was at the 
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At no point during these two 
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mentioned by the PAC 12 Boy, 
doesn't that say a lot about how

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that one so they they kind of 
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Manhattan. 
They looked at SMU Hatton. 

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They've lost Colorado at this 
point. 

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When Colorado goes, Arizona, who
was like next in line? 

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Arizona was like Colorado, but 
Arizona's been in the PAC 12 

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since 1978. 
So at whereas Colorado has been 

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there for 10 years and has a lot
of rivalries in the Big 12, it's

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a lot easier for them to go back
in the sense they have some old 

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rivalries. 
Whereas, you know, Arizona has a

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much tighter tie to the PAC 12. 
And also they have Arizona 

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State. 
And we'll get to this difference

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in institutions, I'm sure soon. 
But Arizona all along, it always

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been just as itching to go to 
the Big 12, big basketball power

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Kansas, they have a commissioner
who talks about basketball, they

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have a TV deal. 
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So Arizona's been trying to go 
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their stance wasn't. 
We need to see numbers. 

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Their stance was, well we'll see
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decide. 
So Colorado leaves the PAC 12 

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last minute. 
I don't think this is by design.

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There was an announcement that 
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It was being held at like 10:00 
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So I don't think George Cleo 
called. 

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The commissioner was really 
pumped to go in there and the 

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meeting was basically George, 
show us what the deal is that 

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you have and I've wondered is 
that the even still active at 

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the time he does this meeting, 
but he goes in and he says. 

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We have an offer from Apple. 
It's very, very, very, very 

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heavy streaming and it's around 
$24 million has been reported by

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Burt Mcmurphy, by Pete Tam. 
A lot of people, $24 million 

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with escalators that are 
basically like an NFL contract. 

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Clauses like they're in there, 
but you're not going to hit 

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them. 
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$30 million which is about which
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they get like. 
You know, 15,000,000 subscribers

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or something. 
Probably something completely 

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unrealistic, something insane. 
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they're probably if you're an 
athletic department, you have to

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budget on what the guarantee 
number is. 

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And the guarantee number was not
33 million, it was about 24 and 

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a half million, almost like 90%.
Streaming Arizona, Safe to say, 

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was was not really on board with
They were not impressed with 

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that deal, no. 
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And so that led us to. 
This inflection point that we're

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at, where Arizona saw that as 
the trigger to do what they want

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to do, they're going to join the
Big 12. 

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But Galen and so much of the PAC
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hubris and the issues with 
higher education presidents. 

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Arizona State's president has 
been very loud for a long time 

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about how much better the Big 
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12. 
And was a vocal supporter of 

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Larry Scott throughout all of 
this. 

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And Larry made a couple of not 
great decisions that will be 

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reflected upon poorly in 
history. 

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Much like the Zimmerman 
telegram, this has not worked 

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out well for the Fact 12, but he
defended the whole time. 

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And the Arizona State president 
even, like recently had this 

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statement where he explained 
about how no, no, no, guys like 

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me don't do streaming. 
So I don't think we'll do 

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anything heavy streaming. 
We can't do anything like that. 

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So like, really, Yikes. 
Quotes that were thrown back 

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into the public this week 
because it's going down. 

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And then when it's brought up to
him a couple days ago, he 

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basically walked back all of it,
which was a giveaway that 

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Arizona State. 
May have said some stupid 

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things, but they were not going 
to be left holding the bag here.

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So we know Arizona. 
We're expecting they're going to

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go tomorrow. 
Arizona State's going to be 

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right behind them. 
Utah, which has been also very 

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Pro Pack 12 in terms of the 
research institution and 

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variants at Big 12 and doesn't 
want to be seen as being on the 

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same level of BYU who's in the 
Big 12. 

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But Utah also wants to have an 
athletic department, so they're 

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going to go also. 
So what we're going to get is 

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Arizona. 
Arizona State and Utah are going

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to go to the Big 12 to join 
Colorado and the gang of 

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thousands. 
That's 1/2 of this scale. 

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And the other half that's 
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woods is in the Pacific 
Northwest, yes. 

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And to understand that, I think 
you have to go all the way back 

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to the original news from last 
summer about USC&UCLA leaving to

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join the Big 10. 
And you know, one of the things 

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that immediately got mentioned 
at that point was, we'll wait, 

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is the Big 10 just going to grab
all of the top level football 

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brands out of the PAC 12, which 
was a reasonable thing to think 

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about. 
Oregon and Washington, of 

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course, being really the two 
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there, that the, you know, the 
two teams that have competed for

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national championships in the 
conference outside of USC&UCLA. 

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But it was interesting over the 
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months, especially with Kevin 
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commissioner, having exited the 
scene. 

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And of course, whenever that 
happens, you get the source 

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dumps that we read about in The 
Athletic or in CBS Sports or 

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ESPN with everybody taking shots
at Kevin Warren. 

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He didn't understand college 
athletics. 

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He didn't understand that the 
presidents in the Big 10 are 

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were uncomfortable with the 
perception that they were 

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potentially destroying the PAC 
12. 

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That you know all of these 
things and you know, the the, 

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the cherry on top of this occurs
at Big 10 media day, which 

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happens a couple of weeks ago 
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Tony Petitti says, well, you 
know, our only focus is about 

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integrating USC&UCLA. 
We're not really interested in 

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expansion. 
We're not going to do anything 

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other than just, you know, we've
got these two teams, we're going

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to bring them into the fold. 
That was also confirmed by many 

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sources. 
It's like, well, no, there's no 

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appetite for expansion. 
None of the presidents want that

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go on and I. 
Believe was like correct at the 

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time. 
Now I see. 

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I I disagree. 
I don't think that it was 

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actually accurate. 
Here's the thing, I think, and 

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this is where a lot of what you 
have to understand with college 

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sports, and I know you know 
this, but this is more for the 

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benefit of the audience. 
You have to understand that with

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the Big 10 especially, so much 
of this is about keeping up 

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appearances. 
So much of it is about not 

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appearing to be crassly 
commercial and engaged in naked 

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power plays in the field of 
college athletics. 

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That is, that is gauche in in 
the the highminded academic 

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circles of the people that run 
Big 10 schools. 

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And that's not, I'm not trying 
to be critical. 

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I'm just trying to explain the 
mentality where for, you know, 

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we tend to look at these things 
and I see a lot of criticism 

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about realignment from people 
who are like this is all about 

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greed and dollars and cents. 
And it's like what? 

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It's not entirely all about that
because in this case, I really 

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think that Big 10 presidents 
looked at this and said 

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USC&UCLA, that's great. 
That's two top level academic 

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institutions. 
You know, they have sterling 

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reputations, not just in 
football but in other sports. 

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We want to bring them in, but if
we take Oregon and Washington, 

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we are going to look like we 
killed the PAC 12. 

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Which is kind of hilarious, 
because by taking USC&UCLA, you 

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already killed the PAC12PAC. 
Twelve's dead at that point. 

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The body might still be, you 
know, walking around, but this 

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is the classic We're going to 
cut the chicken's head off and 

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it's still going to run around 
the barnyard for a little bit. 

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That is essentially what they 
did with that move. 

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But to appear that you just 
drove a stake through the heart 

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of the PAC 12 was not palatable 
to a lot of the Big 10 

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presidents. 
And I think Warren probably 

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pressed too hard but correctly 
on the idea that if you're going

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to do this, you can't just be 
halfway in. 

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If you're going to, if you're 
going to go grab West Coast 

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properties like USC and UCLA, 
you need to get some partners 

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travel wise for them because 
otherwise you're going to end up

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with the scenario that The 
Athletic tried to lay out. 

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It's like, well, how are we 
going to do travel with USC and 

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UCLA with all of these 
Midwestern and Eastern schools 

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and so? 
That did enjoy the the The 

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scenarios laid out included 
travel to athletic programs that

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don't exist, like. 
Like, no, not every Big 10 

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program has all the sports. 
So no, you can't just do 2 legs.

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You can't have them go to 
Illinois in the Northwestern, by

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the way. 
Have you tried traveling 

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commercially and now you're 
going to travel commercially 

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with the traveling party between
20 and 50? 

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Like, it's not going to work if 
it's just two schools. 

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I don't know if it's going to 
work to begin with, but you have

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a better chance when you can 
commingle four of the schools 

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out on the other side of the 
world here. 

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As opposed to just trying to put
two into the other 14 all the 

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time. 
So I, you know, I think 

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ultimately from the Big Ten's 
perspective they looked at this 

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and they said look we you know 
and whether or not this was 

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logical and smart or whether it 
was just kind of one of those 

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things where they were trying to
keep up appearances. 

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But they said at this point 
we've essentially pulled the 

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plug out. 
We're going to let the water 

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drain out of this thing and if 
it explodes then we need to be 

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ready to take action. 
And that is essentially what the

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Big 10 did in this case Oregon 
and Washington. 

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Look at what occurs with the 
grant, with the deal, and they 

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say we need to find a life raft,
even if the life raft means that

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we are taking a cut rate on the 
media deal to get out of this 

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PAC 12 thing because we at least
have a fighting chance if we are

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in the Big 10. 
We have access to national 

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recruiting, we have access to to
prominence, We have a direct 

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path to the playoff. 
None of those things are 

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guaranteed under whatever the 
Pack 9 or whatever it is at this

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point would present them. 
And what was interesting about 

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what happened over the last 24 
hours is that it really seemed 

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for a while last night like this
was going to happen. 

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And there were a bunch of 
meetings. 

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There was an executive session 
meeting for the Board of 

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Trustees at Washington. 
There was one at Oregon. 

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There was one at Arizona. 
These were being breathlessly 

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reported on on on X last night. 
And then this morning, 

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surprisingly, we get all these 
messages like, well, there's 

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been a change of heart and now 
Oregon might be going to sign 

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the Grant of Rights deal. 
And they all happened like there

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was a great tweet that the the 
Reddit CFBX account had where 

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they wind up the the tweets from
Mcmurphy, from Auerbach, I think

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from Pete Pamel. 
And it's like, wow, these are 

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almost word for word. 
And then they were all reversed,

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almost word for word an hour and
a half later. 

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And I I texted you at that time.
This has to be a negotiating 

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tactic. 
No, it's a total coincidence 

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that this happened. 
It's total as we're as we're on 

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here. 
Apparently the Utah thing is 

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pretty much done so as Utah 
going to the Big 12 now. 

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What was interesting was like we
knew that the proof that there 

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was reporting that Oregon and 
Washington had been vetted last 

448
00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:58,180
year. 
And the proof of that is the 

449
00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:01,060
fact that at no point during 
this was there really any 

450
00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:04,820
credible rumor about Oregon or 
Washington going to the Big 12. 

451
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:07,380
It just like never came up. 
It was never a consideration, 

452
00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:08,780
which I think is kind of 
fascinating. 

453
00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:11,900
But yeah, they're going to the 
Big 10 supposedly for much lower

454
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:15,010
payout and it came down to. 
Even at a lower payout, that's 

455
00:24:15,010 --> 00:24:17,130
much higher than what we're 
gonna get from Apple. 

456
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:22,330
And you know, one of the many 
subplots of this and we can get 

457
00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:24,970
into all the stupid stuff the 
PAC 12 did to get to this point.

458
00:24:24,970 --> 00:24:27,490
It blows them on. 
First of all, nobody's talking 

459
00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:29,050
about UCLA or Usc's role in 
this. 

460
00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:30,370
You alluded to this. 
It's incredible. 

461
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:32,690
That's what That's what this all
comes from. 

462
00:24:33,410 --> 00:24:37,410
That's what this all is. 
USC and UCLA leaving a year ago 

463
00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:39,930
is what this all is not Colorado
leaving. 

464
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600
It's not Arizona getting antsy. 
It's not we'll get to Florida 

465
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,840
State. 
It's not that UCLA&USC took the 

466
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,080
heart and the brain out of the 
league and the wallet. 

467
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320
And now we're just taking other 
body parts out. 

468
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,960
At this point it was it was a 
dead man. 

469
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,600
It was a dead man walking 
situation. 

470
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:04,200
And this is the danger to some 
degree of relying primarily on 

471
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000
source driven reporting for 
things like this. 

472
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,040
And what, what? 
What I mean by that is this. 

473
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Anybody who pays close attention
to college sports and wasn't 

474
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,400
talking directly to somebody in 
the PAC 12 offices or athletic 

475
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,360
directors out there, knew that 
this wasn't going to work. 

476
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,640
That when the PAC 12 hadn't 
produced a television deal by 

477
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,160
last August, that this clearly 
wasn't going to work. 

478
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,880
That there were not television 
partners. 

479
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,750
But the industry and the 
journalists that surround the 

480
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:36,310
industry kind of talked 
themselves into the idea that 

481
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:40,230
somehow the pack, whatever PAC 
10, Pack nine, was going to 

482
00:25:40,270 --> 00:25:44,510
operationally succeed in being a
smaller scale conference. 

483
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:45,990
They were going to add some 
smaller pieces. 

484
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:49,910
It was never going to work. 
And I'm I'm kind of disappointed

485
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:53,510
at how credulously a lot of 
these arguments and claims were 

486
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,350
accepted and put forward. 
Like it was just a foregone 

487
00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:58,990
conclusion that the PAC 12 was 
going to roll on in some way, 

488
00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:01,230
shape or form. 
There was no way, once USC and 

489
00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:03,630
UCLA left, that this wasn't 
going to be the ultimate 

490
00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:05,710
outcome. 
Yeah, I can't believe it 

491
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:07,670
happened this quick, but yes, we
were going to. 

492
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:10,030
The fact that it all happened 
this fast surprised me. 

493
00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:12,390
The fact that happened doesn't 
like I said and I did. 

494
00:26:12,790 --> 00:26:14,430
All of this a year ago. 
And I'd like that. 

495
00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:18,590
I'd like to note, and this is in
support of my my hypothesis, 

496
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:21,470
that the Big 10 was always 
knowing this was going to happen

497
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:22,910
and was just waiting for the 
right moment. 

498
00:26:23,270 --> 00:26:25,710
Did you see when Oregon and 
Washington are starting Big 10 

499
00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:30,190
play? 
2020, 24 next year. 

500
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:33,590
They're starting next year. 
This is not like the USC&UCL A's

501
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:35,190
as well as two years from now, 
somehow. 

502
00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:37,830
And they've already released all
the football schedules for the 

503
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:42,690
next two years in the Big 10. 
I guess what this was Rd. mapped

504
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:44,970
quite a ways ago. 
There's no way that it wasn't. 

505
00:26:45,410 --> 00:26:47,810
With all those, I'll say this, 
all those stories about they had

506
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:51,690
multiple models. 
We assume the multiple models 

507
00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:53,810
was different ways of Rutgers 
and Purdue. 

508
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:58,130
The multiple models could have 
been of green and purple it 

509
00:26:58,130 --> 00:27:00,810
turns out. 
And one of the many things you 

510
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:03,770
mentioned next year that flows 
my mind about all this, did you 

511
00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:07,450
USC and UCLA were because 
they're leaving the PAC 12 at 

512
00:27:07,450 --> 00:27:09,490
the expiration of its Current TV
deal? 

513
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:14,410
Their exit fee was 0. 
Basically Oregon and Washington 

514
00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:18,010
pays 0 exit fee. 
The PAC 12 gets no money in all 

515
00:27:18,010 --> 00:27:19,730
this. 
They won't even. 

516
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:23,650
I make fun of my Caresco a lot. 
At least the American gets exit 

517
00:27:23,650 --> 00:27:26,290
fees they're not getting you. 
Imagine what the exit fee is 

518
00:27:26,290 --> 00:27:27,890
they would have gotten for moves
that. 

519
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Cripple their conference. 
They would have gotten from 

520
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,480
Washington and Oregon and 
Washington 0, Oregon 0. 

521
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,360
Colorado 0USC0UCLA0. 
Arizona State 0. 

522
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Utah 07 schools Pays zero to 
move leagues. 

523
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,240
You kind of to pay the Americans
$7,000,000 to go play basketball

524
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,080
at Passing Square Garden. 
UCFN to pay 17,000,000 to go to 

525
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,080
the Big 12 USC pays zero. 
It's and this. 

526
00:27:56,950 --> 00:28:01,070
What There is no leadership of 
the PAC 12 and this is there's 

527
00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:03,950
two things I want to get to here
before we jump over to the East 

528
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:06,950
Coast. 
So first is what you just said 

529
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:09,070
and 2nd is the disposition to 
the remaining schools. 

530
00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:10,190
Because I think it's a 
fascinating thing. 

531
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:13,150
But let's talk about where the 
origins of the PAC 12 

532
00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:15,670
disintegrating actually came 
from. 

533
00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:19,470
You know, George Klivkoff has is
is certainly taking a lot of 

534
00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:22,790
hits. 
I I have sympathy for this man 

535
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:26,110
because he inherited an 
unwinnable hand. 

536
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:29,510
And and I think again, this is 
where there's been a lot of 

537
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:35,190
false bravado from certain 
people on the West Coast who 

538
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:39,430
have prominent Twitter accounts 
who have pumped up the PAC 12 as

539
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:41,510
as a competitor on the national 
stage. 

540
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:45,510
Realistically speaking, the 
seeds for this were planted in 

541
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:50,750
2010, 2011, and it's ironic 
because obviously Larry Scott 

542
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:54,570
gets most of the blame. 
However, you also have to look 

543
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:58,130
at it, and you have to remember 
that the PAC 12 was this close 

544
00:28:58,290 --> 00:29:03,530
to adding Texas to their 
conference, wiping out the Big 

545
00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:07,410
12 and becoming a truly national
conference. 

546
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:11,490
Essentially, at that point, it 
was rejected by the PAC 12 PAT 

547
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,530
presidents. 
It was not Larry Scott flubbing 

548
00:29:14,530 --> 00:29:16,970
the deal. 
It was the presidents themselves

549
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:19,250
essentially signing a death 
warrant that wouldn't be 

550
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:23,170
executed for another 13 years. 
And that's whose fault this all 

551
00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:26,450
actually is. 
The president's hired Larry 

552
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:28,770
Scott. 
The president's stood by Larry 

553
00:29:28,770 --> 00:29:30,690
Scott and stood by him. 
Stood by him. 

554
00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:31,730
Stood by him. 
You think we're going back? 

555
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:33,450
They stood by him for a while, 
then they didn't. 

556
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:35,690
Then when they got George 
Kliakoff, well, I don't think 

557
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:38,770
it's great, but like, he wasn't 
exactly functioning with a great

558
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:41,410
hand here. 
And it's the presidents who have

559
00:29:41,410 --> 00:29:43,930
all along never once even 
considered. 

560
00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:48,550
BYU or Gonzaga because they're. 
Or Boise State because well they

561
00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:51,070
don't really fit the big the the
PAC 12. 

562
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:53,950
They're the ones who look. 
Galen, you and I love Olympic 

563
00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:54,750
sports. 
We do. 

564
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:58,310
You love men's soccer at I UI do
to it that you kind of know it's

565
00:29:58,310 --> 00:30:00,910
down now. 
We've a lot they think those 

566
00:30:00,910 --> 00:30:03,430
things actually matter in terms 
of how this works. 

567
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,390
Like they Conference of 
Champions man. 

568
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:08,430
Yeah. 
Like and like I respect the 

569
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:10,990
athletic accomplishments. 
I think that should matter. 

570
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:14,490
It literally doesn't for this. 
Like it doesn't matter. 

571
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:17,370
And they thought it did and like
they talked about it like it 

572
00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:18,850
did. 
They never. 

573
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:21,450
ESPN wanted to partner with them
to to take over this. 

574
00:30:21,770 --> 00:30:25,690
The I mean floundering is kind 
PAC 12 network like a year ago, 

575
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:28,250
not when TV fees were high like 
10 years ago. 

576
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:30,610
Like a year ago, they still 
wanted to step in and said we'll

577
00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:32,890
do a deal if you let us take it.
And they said no. 

578
00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:36,290
And they hadn't partnered with 
ESPN or Fox to start the PAC 12 

579
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:38,050
network. 
And when they started it, they 

580
00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:41,130
had, they did 7 versions of it. 
Top dollar because. 

581
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,240
We're gonna have set Big 10 as a
network. 

582
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,400
We're gonna have we're gonna 
have six regional feeds in the 

583
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,520
national and it's just it's 
hubris they they've over and 

584
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640
what was the story about Dennis 
thought I believe had that last 

585
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,520
year when they started this they
wanted $50 million of school 

586
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:03,320
after UCLA&USC left the the 
absolute void of hubris for the 

587
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,530
last decade. 
By everybody in charge of the 

588
00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:08,690
PAC 12 at the presidential 
level. 

589
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:12,610
And yes, Larry Scott and to some
small degree, George Kliakoff is

590
00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:14,090
what has led them to this. 
They have. 

591
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:16,250
They have. 
They've been living in another 

592
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:17,850
dimension. 
There's a fun. 

593
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:20,330
Everybody else in college 
sports, the most fundamental 

594
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:23,930
error that you can make in 
negotiations in business is 

595
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:29,690
conflating negotiation with your
actual assessed value. 

596
00:31:30,050 --> 00:31:33,510
And for most of these, PAC 12, 
it's fine to walk into the room 

597
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:35,270
and say, well, we want 50 
million to school. 

598
00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:38,030
You got to be willing to know 
what your actual market value 

599
00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:40,910
is. 
And a lot of what happened along

600
00:31:40,910 --> 00:31:44,070
the way with the PAC 12 was a 
combination of the hubris that 

601
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:48,610
you're describing and also a lot
of decisions that would have 

602
00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:52,250
made a lot of sense a decade 
earlier, but certainly did not 

603
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:55,970
make sense between 2012 and 
2022. 

604
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:59,530
And you know you mentioned the 
split PAC 12 network contract 

605
00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:03,050
where you've got an LA version 
of it and you've got a a Denver 

606
00:32:03,050 --> 00:32:05,810
version of it and you've got a 
Pacific Northwest version of it.

607
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:08,930
You the the idea that you're 
going to split all that 

608
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:11,010
programming and that somehow 
it's all going to make sense 

609
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:13,290
coherently and that you're going
to get advertisers off of it 

610
00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:15,290
doesn't make a lot of sense the 
understanding that. 

611
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:18,290
We're going to get carriage on 
satellite TV in the western half

612
00:32:18,290 --> 00:32:20,170
of the United States for most 
folks. 

613
00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:23,530
Have television via satellite. 
This isn't New York and Boston, 

614
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:26,650
where everyone's got cable box 
because of James Dolan's dad. 

615
00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:29,490
Yeah, everybody's on DIRECTV and
Dish Network and you're not on 

616
00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:33,130
satellite and they were and I 
believe in the Bay Area, they 

617
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:36,890
were exclusive to Comcast. 
You couldn't even get the PAC 12

618
00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:39,970
network on DIRECTV. 
I mean that's these are the 

619
00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:43,530
kinds of things and it was it 
was additive and you look across

620
00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:46,130
the board they made a big push 
about trying to like partner 

621
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:50,070
with Alibaba to get the PAC 12 
on in China they're going. 

622
00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:53,670
To play overseas, they're going 
to get the PAC 12 network on on 

623
00:32:53,910 --> 00:33:00,590
on throughout China while it 
wasn't on in Oregon or Arizona 

624
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:04,830
where the schools are. 
It's like I'm going to fly to 

625
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:07,190
the moon and I'm going to the 
first thing I'm going to do is 

626
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:09,270
when I'm putting together my 
moon program is I'm going to 

627
00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:11,070
build the moon base. 
Like, no, you need to build the 

628
00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:16,530
rocket 1st to get to the moon. 
And also along those lines, you 

629
00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:22,330
mentioned Comcast, by the way. 
Oopsie, just giving $70 million 

630
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:27,410
off at the executive level to to
just literally like basically do

631
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:31,850
crimes with the cable fees, 
which is the thing you do when 

632
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:34,450
it's not going well. 
They're stealing money from 

633
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:36,730
Comcast, basically. 
And all these schools we forget,

634
00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:39,290
yes, we flush this out more 
because I think there's people 

635
00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:44,860
that have forgotten this story 
that the the PAC 12 did not just

636
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:46,540
describe it cuz you're looking 
at it right now. 

637
00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:54,300
Let me pull up the IT was too 
Comcast because it involved 

638
00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:58,940
subscribers. 
So there was somebody, it came 

639
00:33:58,940 --> 00:34:03,860
out a couple years ago, that 
somebody, somebody the PAC 12 

640
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:09,199
had had over to the degree of 
like. 15 to $100 million. 

641
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,480
It was 5, 5 million a year for 
ten years in overpayments that 

642
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,880
they charged Comcast. 
Yes, they overpaid Comcast 5 

643
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
million. 
They overcharged them $5,000,000

644
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,400
a year over 10 years. 
And it turned out that as they 

645
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,920
looked into it that like some of
the executives, specifically the

646
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,199
CFO and the president of the 
network. 

647
00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:38,230
Informed Larry Scott about it 
and we're told to keep quiet 

648
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:41,909
about it. 
So that's that's not great. 

649
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:45,310
That's not really how you're 
supposed to to to do that. 

650
00:34:45,630 --> 00:34:48,469
So they had they they have to 
and this like isn't resolved 

651
00:34:48,469 --> 00:34:52,070
whatever the new deal was that 
they were going to get at some 

652
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:55,310
point. 
Comcast gets $50 million. 

653
00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:58,850
From these schools it's actually
and it's actually 60 million 

654
00:34:58,850 --> 00:35:01,370
because there there are 
additional payments that they 

655
00:35:01,370 --> 00:35:03,570
could and this is the 
interesting thing because they 

656
00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:06,650
were gonna withheld additional 
payments is like arrears 

657
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:08,730
basically and. 
That's how they're gonna pay for

658
00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:10,290
it, right? 
Like kind of how they're gonna 

659
00:35:10,610 --> 00:35:12,290
pay entrance fees. 
We're just taking out of your 

660
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:14,610
future earnings. 
Well, good luck to Oregon. 

661
00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:16,210
Stayed on that one. 
Um. 

662
00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:19,330
You know, that's not great, if 
I'm honest, for them. 

663
00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:21,690
So yeah, they when you talk 
about not being able to get a TV

664
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:23,210
deal, you know what makes it 
really hard? 

665
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:26,690
When your literal organization 
has a history of hiring people 

666
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:30,210
who do financial crime, they're 
not there anymore. 

667
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:34,530
But it makes people nervous, I 
would think a little uneasy, in 

668
00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:38,250
addition to not being really an 
appealing product when you the 

669
00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:41,680
LA markets out. 
Your idea is to replace it with 

670
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680
a school in a market that lost 
an NFL team recently because 

671
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,440
it's not a big TV market. 
So that's not going to work. 

672
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,720
You're maybe going to add like 
the 18th biggest school in 

673
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,200
Dallas is your idea plan, but 
you're not actually going to do 

674
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,280
it, apparently. 
And and you're run by a group of

675
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,320
presidents who just want to be 
at Williams and Amherst. 

676
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,560
So bad. 
So bad. 

677
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,480
And that's like, admirable, I 
think, the principles they 

678
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680
believe. 
Are good and idealistic and 

679
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:14,240
would ideally be what works. 
But that's not where we are if 

680
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,680
you're in a Power 5 conference. 
And the difference, by the way, 

681
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,320
to your other point, that the 
reason that I respect the SEC 

682
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,880
the most of all these leagues, 
you know why? 

683
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,440
Because they just do the thing. 
They just do the thing. 

684
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,480
It drives me nuts that the Big 
10 really is trying to act like 

685
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,680
there's a classy way to murder a
league. 

686
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,390
There's not. 
You if you're going to murder 

687
00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:37,270
them, just do it like the The 
SEC would not waste their time 

688
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:38,790
with any of this. 
They just. 

689
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:41,630
Took Texas, they just took 
Oklahoma. 

690
00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:44,270
They just took Texas A and M and
they just said, all right, we'll

691
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:46,990
take Missouri too. 
I guess they just did it. 

692
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:49,270
They don't have this above the 
board. 

693
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:52,550
We would never do such a thing. 
They have no scruples about it 

694
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:55,110
and they just do it. 
And that's why I think the SEC 

695
00:36:55,110 --> 00:36:56,830
is in the best situation, 
because they're not paying 

696
00:36:56,830 --> 00:37:03,150
eighteen teams right now. 
That's yeah, well, and just one 

697
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,430
last thing for those who haven't
been up to speed on the PAC 12 

698
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:10,870
approach to things, just a 
reminder that this is also a 

699
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:16,470
conference that was spending 
$7,000,000 a year on office 

700
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:20,590
space rental in San Francisco. 
This was something that Larry 

701
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:23,510
Scott, the former commissioner 
insisted on, insisted on having 

702
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:30,560
a 42,000 square foot office in 
San Francisco that cost $696,000

703
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,200
a month and that's you compare 
like the big 10s offices in 

704
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:43,760
Chicago, $1.5 million a year. 
So the the level of of hubris 

705
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,000
again, but also just the 
absolute, this almost feels like

706
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:52,690
a, you know, a private equity 
fund going in and hollowing out 

707
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:57,210
a long standing brand because 
the people could and no one was 

708
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:59,090
paying attention. 
That's kind of looks like what 

709
00:37:59,090 --> 00:38:01,410
happened here. 
And it's not just that like at 

710
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:05,490
the big the PAC 12 tournament in
Vegas, Larry Scott needs a suite

711
00:38:05,530 --> 00:38:07,730
that's like 50 grand a night. 
Really. 

712
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:09,450
He's like he had a 50 grand 
night suite. 

713
00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:13,490
And and you know, like San 
Francisco, the most expensive 

714
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:15,490
place in the United States, you 
have to put the headquarters 

715
00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:17,050
right there, right downtown, 
build it from. 

716
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:19,890
It's insane. 
When they moved out last year 

717
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:22,690
because, you know, the new 
leadership realized this is a 

718
00:38:22,690 --> 00:38:25,490
little pricey. 
Part of the deal with the lease 

719
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:28,410
was they had to restore that 
office area to what it was when 

720
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:30,610
they moved in. 
Because they were leasing, they 

721
00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:33,330
didn't own it, so they had to 
spend a considerable amount of 

722
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,010
money to put that. 
They made this whatever office 

723
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:40,130
space in San Francisco look like
the big fancy PAC 12 net, you 

724
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:42,850
know, advance headquarters. 
They had to take all that stuff 

725
00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:44,410
out. 
They spent a lot of money. 

726
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:46,770
Yeah, well, to. 
Build an office back that they 

727
00:38:46,850 --> 00:38:49,370
weren't going. 
We could continue to pile on 

728
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:50,970
Larry Scott. 
The one thing I will say, there 

729
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:54,410
was a great anecdote in one of 
the stories about his Like the 

730
00:38:54,410 --> 00:39:01,250
post mortem of his tenure, 
Scott, among other things, stop 

731
00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:03,890
the longstanding practice of 
giving every employee to Rose 

732
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:07,250
Bowl tickets as a holiday perk. 
He claimed there was a shortage 

733
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:10,290
of tickets. 
Then they later found out that 

734
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:13,370
he had been giving the same Rose
Bowl tickets to a group of 

735
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:15,250
parents on his son's soccer 
team. 

736
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,370
So look, and hey, they're all 
the same. 

737
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:21,650
Kevin Warren gave away rights to
a Big 10 championship game. 

738
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:25,010
He didn't even have the rights 
to a different TV network. 

739
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:27,530
These things happen. 
Galen, these things happen. 

740
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:30,770
Just like sometimes you decide 
in the middle of all this that 

741
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:33,730
you're gonna hold a Board of 
trustees meeting in which 

742
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:38,650
everybody has a temper tantrum 
and flares out at the world, 

743
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:41,730
which is also what happened 
yesterday at Florida State 

744
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:44,450
University, a school that's 
really mad. 

745
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:47,370
And really upset and wants 
everyone to know they're really 

746
00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:50,130
mad and really upset. 
So before we get to that, I want

747
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:52,370
to get to them in just a second.
But I want to ask you, so right 

748
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:55,850
now, if you think about the the 
children left over that haven't 

749
00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:57,970
got a home in the divorce 
settlement yet. 

750
00:39:58,090 --> 00:40:01,210
Because if we assume, as as 
you've stated, that Utah's going

751
00:40:01,210 --> 00:40:04,530
to the Big 12, Arizona's going 
to the Big 12, and Arizona 

752
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:09,490
State, luckily for them, will be
going to the Big 12, you're left

753
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:13,490
with some sad people in 
Corvallis. 

754
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:18,130
In Pullman, and surprisingly to 
some degree but also not 

755
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:20,490
surprisingly if you understand 
how this all works out 

756
00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:23,890
politically, some sad folks in 
the Bay Area because Cal, 

757
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:28,410
Stanford Washington State and 
Oregon State right now that's 

758
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:31,010
the PAC 12. 
That's that's that's essentially

759
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:33,050
the schools that haven't been 
spoken for. 

760
00:40:34,090 --> 00:40:37,330
Yeah, there's Look, I actually 
like, I do feel bad for like, 

761
00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:40,050
especially the Washington State 
and Oregon State fans in this. 

762
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,120
But, and a lot of other Yukon 
fans have said this, the thing 

763
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,040
that's really been galling about
this all week is how after 15 

764
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,560
years of dozens of schools 
moving from conference to 

765
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,520
conference, decimating their 
conferences, when they leave, 

766
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,800
it's a great opportunity for 
that school. 

767
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,960
They leave, but suddenly this 
happens and now all these 

768
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,760
reporters where we've just gone 
too far, suddenly it's it's it's

769
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,440
poor wazoo and poor Oregon 
State. 

770
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,680
It was never poor Yukon. 
Yes, I'm selfish, but was never 

771
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,970
poor USF. 
It was never poor any of these 

772
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:11,490
other schools. 
Never poor Memphis. 

773
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:14,370
It was never poor Wichita State.
It was never poor Temple. 

774
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:17,450
But now, but now, now we've gone
too far. 

775
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:20,130
And all this reporting, I really
think these are all reporters 

776
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:23,330
who just assumed, well, surely 
the PAC 12, it must exist. 

777
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,370
It it just will. 
There was never any actual 

778
00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:27,570
reason. 
It was. 

779
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:30,550
It just will. 
Everyone is standing around 

780
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:32,230
wondering how this could have 
happened. 

781
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:35,190
This thing that they have been 
clearly building the train 

782
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:36,910
track. 
They've been building a train to

783
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:40,990
the volcano the entire time and 
they hammered the final spike in

784
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:44,350
and they can't believe the train
has gone full speed over the 

785
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:46,830
edge of the tracks they built. 
Yes, this is the. 

786
00:41:47,710 --> 00:41:50,030
This is the. 
Part that's just driven me 

787
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:53,390
insane. 
This is the It's the Leopards 

788
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:55,550
ate my face of college 
athletics. 

789
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Yeah, like what did you 
genuinely when when the when the

790
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,600
when the PAC 12 loses the LA 
school, what did you like? 

791
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,240
What was your thought? 
You really all thought San Diego

792
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,200
State a school none of you pay 
any attention to. 

793
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,160
It was just suddenly going to 
make it all better. 

794
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:13,360
But the four leftovers of the 
funeral, by the way, sucks, 

795
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,880
doesn't It's not very much fun 
is it Cal, Stanford, Oregon 

796
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,160
State or Washington State. 
But I do feel bad for, 

797
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,600
especially while doing Oregon 
State. 

798
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,640
Cal is my favorite athletic 
department in the country. 

799
00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:33,190
Cal owes about $500 million in 
bonds over the next 50 years to 

800
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:36,510
rebuild a football stadium that 
was literally like they had a 

801
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:39,110
football stadium sitting on top 
of the San Andreas Fault. 

802
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:43,230
The Hayward Fault, which is, 
which is more dangerous than the

803
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:44,790
San Andreas Fault. 
But anyway, yeah. 

804
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:49,030
More dangerous. 
Spent 50 years not fixing it 

805
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:50,750
because three people were in a 
tree. 

806
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:55,410
Got him out of the tree. 
Fix the stadium like five years 

807
00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:58,290
ago and now this happens and 
there's them. 

808
00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:02,850
A million other issues with like
Cal athletics, like the naming 

809
00:43:02,850 --> 00:43:06,490
rights that went to the like to 
the the crypto coin thing that 

810
00:43:06,490 --> 00:43:09,050
came apart last year. 
Cal's my favorite. 

811
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:11,730
They they rule, they're awesome.
They're in trouble. 

812
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:16,650
Stanford, I think we'll be fine 
because I I don't think they 

813
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:18,290
can. 
Stanford will happily trot off 

814
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:21,430
into independence. 
I'm not worried about them. 

815
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:23,790
They have the money and I don't 
know, I've been saying for a 

816
00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:26,350
while, I think Stanford and Cal 
are kind of quiet quitting on 

817
00:43:26,350 --> 00:43:29,710
major college football. 
A lot of their actions indicate 

818
00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:32,030
that or have indicated that in 
the last 10 years. 

819
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:35,430
So I think while this new 
reality sucks for them on the 

820
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:37,590
surface, I think it gets 
somewhere they kind of wanted to

821
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:38,950
go. 
Yeah, I think that's an 

822
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:41,310
interesting approach. 
OSU in Oregon State. 

823
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:46,990
I hope you like trips to Ogden. 
I'd like to welcome them to the 

824
00:43:46,990 --> 00:43:50,840
Mountain West. 
They just, That's what this is. 

825
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
There's nowhere else to go at 
this point for them. 

826
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,600
I mean if they want to keep 
football, which I'm assuming 

827
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,880
both of them do, there's you've 
got the Mountain West, you've 

828
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,520
got independence or you've got 
what the Sunbelt. 

829
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,560
I mean, those are those are 
essentially your options at this

830
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,960
point. 
The really, really dark place 

831
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,880
that it goes is Galen. 
Can you give me a reason why the

832
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Mountain West would add those to
it's? 

833
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,570
It is an interesting point. 
I you know the Mountain West 

834
00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:24,290
right now is on a six year media
deal that pays $270 million over

835
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:27,330
the course of those six years. 
So it's about $45,000,000 a year

836
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:31,770
for the conference. 
When you look to re up that, 

837
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:36,730
what value do you get by adding 
Oregon State and Washington 

838
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:38,970
State and not? 
Just not just that. 

839
00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:41,330
So anybody who knew who comes in
right, you need to make sure 

840
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,290
that the pie doesn't get cut 
smaller for everyone. 

841
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,970
Who has the rights, Gallon? 
Who does have the rights? 

842
00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:54,500
CBS and Fox, Yes. 
I think Fox might be covered in 

843
00:44:54,500 --> 00:45:00,340
the Pacific Northwest and now 
CBS is because CBS just signed 

844
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:03,380
the deal with the Big 10 and 
guess what we just gave you 

845
00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:05,980
Oregon and Washington. 
Yeah. 

846
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:08,700
So that's the other issue they 
have like I I hope Washington 

847
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:10,500
State and Oregon State would get
into the Mountain West. 

848
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:12,900
I'm not that punitive or 
anything I have no, but it's I 

849
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:15,900
think it's a legitimate question
of does the Mountain West look 

850
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,260
at this and say what value is 
being added like at this like 

851
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:22,820
with you rank in the Mountain 
West, the teams that are there 

852
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:25,980
and you look at the brand value 
of the teams in the Mountain 

853
00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:28,380
West and then you try to place 
Oregon State and Washington 

854
00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:32,580
State within that rank order. 
They're not, first and second, I

855
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:35,140
don't think. 
No, no, they're not. 

856
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:37,900
They're really not. 
And it's a shame for them. 

857
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,260
I don't know how you, I don't 
know if they can bring in the, I

858
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:43,980
don't even know the amount of 
money to be fair, to make the 

859
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:46,620
pie the same. 
Yeah, and additional the 

860
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:49,100
headaches and stuff and the 
knowledge that the second you 

861
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:50,660
bring them in, they're trying to
get out anyway. 

862
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:53,860
So, like, everyone has just 
assumed they're going there. 

863
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,600
I think they'd probably go 
there, but I don't think it's a 

864
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,080
guarantee. 
And the thing about we deal 

865
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,280
without here is to bring a 
little E is like the idea that 

866
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,840
you can't be a football 
independent. 

867
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,400
It's hard. 
You can do it. 

868
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,160
You can do it like if you're you
kind of new mass, well your 

869
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,160
rival is doing it. 
You've got army down the road, 

870
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,880
you know. 
So like of the four 

871
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,040
independence, one of them's not 
really going to acknowledge your

872
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,720
existence in our name. 
But like the other, they're all 

873
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,270
here. 
Football independence in the 

874
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:24,270
Pacific Northwest is a is a real
tough haul. 

875
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:29,430
Idaho didn't even bother. 
My hope is that Idaho somehow 

876
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:32,430
this helps Idaho football. 
I want the Kibby Dome to rise 

877
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:37,230
again, but that's my real fear. 
I think like does it sounds 

878
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:39,990
crazy? 
Is Oregon State going to be an 

879
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:44,190
FBS program or are they going to
go to FCSI don't think that's 

880
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:47,310
where this goes, but I think 
that it's on the table. 

881
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:49,730
At this point, and they spent a 
lot of money upgrading a 

882
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:53,690
football facility, there was 
that very emotional red CFB post

883
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:56,330
where I rolled my eyes at like, 
no, nobody actually made 

884
00:46:56,330 --> 00:46:59,450
Washington state spend $60 
million on the football stadium.

885
00:46:59,450 --> 00:47:02,890
Like you decided to do that. 
Guys, you were misled. 

886
00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:06,610
You were led astray. 
But like, you know, that 

887
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:08,730
doesn't. 
That might be the nicest stadium

888
00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:11,170
in FCS in five years. 
Unfortunately, because I don't 

889
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:13,290
know where you go. 
Callen Stanford. 

890
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:15,290
I think Callen Stanford would 
happily embrace football 

891
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:16,650
independence. 
They have a lot more money. 

892
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:18,510
They'll do it. 
They can do the high minded 

893
00:47:18,510 --> 00:47:21,790
academic thing. 
I'm sure Nordam will somehow 

894
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:24,030
work something out. 
I mean definitely with Stanford,

895
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:26,950
obviously. 
And they don't care about really

896
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:29,110
other sports. 
I this is me that you kind of. 

897
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:30,270
I'm fascinated with what 
happens. 

898
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:32,710
What does Terra Vanderveer do? 
What happens to Stanford women's

899
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:35,470
basketball, which is a 
powerhouse program in a sport 

900
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:39,750
that has a growing rights deal 
like like that is something. 

901
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:42,630
I'm fascinated by that. 
I know it was like page 85 of 

902
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:44,550
all this. 
What happens to that? 

903
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:46,830
In addition, all the other so 
many sports, they're grayed out,

904
00:47:46,830 --> 00:47:49,190
which we say don't really matter
but are going to get absolutely 

905
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:52,230
kneecapped here by this. 
I think Stanford and Cowell will

906
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:54,550
be fine. 
Washington State. 

907
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:56,990
Oregon State, I'm, I'm, I'm 
really would be scared. 

908
00:47:57,990 --> 00:48:00,750
Let's switch gears and let's 
switch time zones. 

909
00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:03,030
So you alluded to the Florida 
State thing earlier. 

910
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:05,510
So in the midst of all of this 
occurring, what was it, 

911
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:08,790
yesterday or the day before? 
This one's good, because as 

912
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:11,230
depressing as the Wazza Oregon 
State thing might be, we can 

913
00:48:11,230 --> 00:48:13,070
laugh about this one. 
This one's just funny. 

914
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:20,200
Florida State has a a press 
conference where remind me this.

915
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,400
Was a press conference. 
This was a figure the trustees 

916
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,120
meeting, you're right. 
And in it the, the statement is 

917
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,160
made essentially that unless 
there is a significant 

918
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,040
alteration of the ACC revenue 
distribution model in favor of 

919
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,560
paying Florida State basically 
the Texas deal that they were 

920
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,400
getting in the Big 12 that they 
were going to have to look at 

921
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,000
that changing their 
circumstances. 

922
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,800
And that was actually. 
That was the opening. 

923
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,280
That was the milder of the 
statement, Zach. 

924
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Yeah, as this thing goes on, 
every statement made by separate

925
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,320
board members and the the the AD
like there are things I'm 

926
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,560
thinking of where I'm like, well
they can couch it in this and 

927
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,680
then someone to make a statement
saying no, you know that thing 

928
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,440
you think it's couched and 
that's not going to work. 

929
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,280
So you know this plan the ACC 
has to redistribute revenue. 

930
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,320
That's not nearly enough. 
That's not good enough. 

931
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:14,070
As like fine enough, they'll 
leave. 

932
00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:16,950
It's like it literally has to 
happen by next August. 

933
00:49:17,110 --> 00:49:18,870
We are leaving. 
We are going to leave. 

934
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:20,550
We are going to leave. 
They were. 

935
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:23,390
I've never seen anything like 
this, they straight up said. 

936
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:26,790
Unless something drastically 
changes, which we don't think 

937
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:30,790
will, we are going to leave at 
some point in the next 12 

938
00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:33,310
months. 
And a couple of things on that. 

939
00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:35,990
First of all, the deadline for 
announcing that you would be 

940
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:39,550
leaving at the end of this 
upcoming year is August 15th. 

941
00:49:39,590 --> 00:49:44,870
So we're talking about 9 days or
11 days from now that was, 

942
00:49:45,830 --> 00:49:48,590
bolstered Boyd. 
I'm not sure what word to use 

943
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:52,790
here by the news today that 
apparently Florida State is 

944
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:56,470
investigating our old friend 
Private Equity to see if they 

945
00:49:56,470 --> 00:50:00,910
can find the money to get out of
the Grant of Rights deal that 

946
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:05,190
they signed until 2036. 
I'm so excited for Christian 

947
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:08,630
Ronaldo to be on the sidelines 
of a of a Florida State Miami 

948
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:13,630
game this year in a Seminals the
Seminoles jersey This I It's the

949
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:15,890
perfect. 
It's funny because Matt Brown 

950
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:18,130
had been reporting on the 
possibility couple of So I even 

951
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:21,090
credit about what it private 
because private equity has gone 

952
00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:25,610
nuts in in soccer and Saudi 
Arabia has gone nuts in soccer 

953
00:50:25,610 --> 00:50:28,450
and Saudi Arabia's private 
investment fund has gone nuts in

954
00:50:28,450 --> 00:50:31,250
soccer and golf. 
And he wrote the article could 

955
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:33,610
have and it was like, yeah, 
private equity could absolutely 

956
00:50:33,610 --> 00:50:37,250
jump in here. 
And I mean if you gave me any of

957
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:42,530
the 362 Division One programs to
pick who is the likeliest? 

958
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:46,410
To open, to run the private 
equity with open arms. 

959
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:51,410
My number one pick was Miami, 
but my number 2 pick would have 

960
00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:53,890
also been my number one pick. 
But yes, Florida State's 

961
00:50:53,890 --> 00:50:56,010
absolutely second. 
Who was your one? 

962
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:58,010
Miami was also my number one. 
Yeah. 

963
00:50:58,010 --> 00:51:01,170
No, no question, but. 
Florida State, Florida State, it

964
00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:04,090
make it because the contract 
they're in the situation, the 

965
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:08,250
grant of rights goes through 
2036 and so if you want to try 

966
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:12,690
and buy it out, it's like what 
300 million or something 

967
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:16,260
Supposedly it's I think it's I 
think it's like 160 million. 

968
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:18,980
But I've I've seen different 
numbers and just to explain to 

969
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:22,380
the people who have heard about 
this but they're not sure or 

970
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:27,340
they've forgotten essentially 
what occurred with the ACC and 

971
00:51:27,340 --> 00:51:30,980
their granted rights back in 
2014. 

972
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:35,390
I believe it was the previous 
ACC commissioner John Swofford 

973
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:38,870
was trying to do negotiations. 
The ACC wanted their own network

974
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:41,510
because the SCCSC. 
C had a network, so they wanted 

975
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:44,870
A network. 
Big 10 had a network and the ACC

976
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:50,350
actually very similar to the PAC
12, really struggles with 

977
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:54,510
understanding what their actual 
spot in the pecking order is. 

978
00:51:54,550 --> 00:51:57,590
And you know, then there's the 
same level of hubris applied 

979
00:51:57,590 --> 00:52:00,270
slightly differently. 
But it's essentially what 

980
00:52:00,270 --> 00:52:03,750
produces what happened here, 
which is Swofford goes and does 

981
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:06,870
a deal with ESPN and he's like 
it's essentially the Neville 

982
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:09,390
Chamberlain deal. 
It's the piece in our time deal 

983
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:13,350
of the ACC where it's like I 
have, I've solved our financial 

984
00:52:13,350 --> 00:52:17,070
problems for the next 17 years 
because I've signed this deal 

985
00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:21,710
with a with ESPN that is 
essentially an ironclad contract

986
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:27,030
that runs out until 2036 and. 
The position was, well, we'll 

987
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:30,790
give you a network. 
We like you, we don't love you. 

988
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:34,350
So we'll do it, but it's going 
to be on our terms. 

989
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:38,430
And he just said fine, and their
lawyers are much better than his

990
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:40,510
lawyers. 
And I don't think Florida State 

991
00:52:40,510 --> 00:52:44,230
even knows what lawyers are. 
So the rights for every ACC 

992
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:47,230
school are not actually owned by
the schools or the ACC. 

993
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:51,060
It's secondly like a contract. 
Between the that the ACC hold, 

994
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:54,020
actually I should say the ACC 
holds the rights and controls 

995
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:59,300
them through 2036 and then sells
that to ESPN2036. 

996
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:05,220
And so in 2021, which was before
the new deal signed by the SEC, 

997
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:09,640
before the new deal signed by 
the Big 10, the payments to the 

998
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,360
Big 10 and SEC schools from 
their media deals and networks 

999
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,520
was already $20 million more per
school per year than what the 

1000
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,720
ACC schools were getting off of 
their deal. 

1001
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,000
And the problem is the ACC it's 
going to be. 

1002
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,120
It's going to be more than 20, 
Yeah. 

1003
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,840
It's going to be like close to 
70. 

1004
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,520
Sixty $70 million difference a 
year per year per school and. 

1005
00:53:36,070 --> 00:53:43,630
So the A/C now until 2036, yes. 
So this says that is what's 

1006
00:53:43,630 --> 00:53:48,950
fascinating is every ACC school 
willingly signed this contract 

1007
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:54,150
surrendering their their rights.
And the penalties are, I mean 

1008
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:56,470
there's punitive and then 
there's the penalties in this 

1009
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:58,990
deal. 
It's almost impossible. 

1010
00:53:58,990 --> 00:54:01,190
It's basically impossible to get
out of the exit fee. 

1011
00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:05,180
I'm looking at it now. 
According to this report is $120

1012
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:10,380
million and you forfeit your 
media rights back to the 

1013
00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:12,980
conference for the remainder of 
the contract. 

1014
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:26,740
That second part is the part 
that I'm pretty certain no one 

1015
00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:14,140
at Florida State like. 
So any money that you would go 

1016
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:19,460
get elsewhere would go back to 
the the ACC, which is why 

1017
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:22,540
Maryland to some degree jumped 
when they did among other. 

1018
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:31,900
Like they signed it, they read 
it, but like they had lawyers, 

1019
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:35,360
we assume. 
The, the, the words like object 

1020
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,320
permanence is an issue here 
because they can pay all the 

1021
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,880
money they want, and they don't 
seem to realize they're not on 

1022
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,440
TV though until 2036. 
Like they don't control it. 

1023
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,720
There's and I don't. 
Think the ACC is going to be in 

1024
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,160
a rush to put them in the Big 10
on the ACC now? 

1025
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,920
Well that was the fascinating 
thing about this story today 

1026
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,440
that they were looking at 
private equity or sovereign 

1027
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,410
wealth funds potentially because
the whole the way that works is 

1028
00:55:01,450 --> 00:55:04,250
you know you go and and a 
company fronts you the I guess 

1029
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:09,250
the $120 million or whatever and
then the company earns that 

1030
00:55:09,250 --> 00:55:13,450
money back on on revenue from 
media rights and other sales. 

1031
00:55:13,450 --> 00:55:16,530
But that doesn't exist here 
according to this grant of 

1032
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:19,410
rights. 
And then, you know, so it's it's

1033
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:23,570
great copy in the newspaper, but
it doesn't solve the fundamental

1034
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:25,930
problem of the grant of rights 
that all these schools are in. 

1035
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:29,830
And the other issue that you run
into here, which I think is 

1036
00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:35,190
fascinating, is that when you 
think about the way that the ACC

1037
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:38,950
is kind of positioned within 
everything, you're, you're 

1038
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:42,070
really talking about a situation
where a lot of those schools are

1039
00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:44,550
probably just fine with that 
amount of money. 

1040
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:46,710
You've got a relatively small 
number that aren't. 

1041
00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:51,150
Florida State floated a story 
yesterday that they might 

1042
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:57,470
consider suing the ACC for fraud
by claiming that I swear, I 

1043
00:55:57,470 --> 00:56:00,070
swear that I was reading this 
reporting that they would sue 

1044
00:56:00,070 --> 00:56:04,750
them for fraud by claiming that 
John Swofford and the ACC 

1045
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:08,790
offices negotiated and gave them
information in bad faith. 

1046
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:12,550
I don't know how they it's it. 
These are these fraud cases like

1047
00:56:12,550 --> 00:56:15,190
this are essentially impossible 
to prove in court. 

1048
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:18,350
It it never actually works. 
But this is the direction that 

1049
00:56:18,350 --> 00:56:21,110
they're trying to go, at least 
in the public, as a trial 

1050
00:56:21,110 --> 00:56:23,310
balloon to see what the 
atmosphere is on this. 

1051
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,200
And GAIL, the funniest part 
about all of it. 

1052
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,000
We've laid out the legal reasons
why it's not going to work. 

1053
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,600
We've laid out the monetary 
reasons why it literally doesn't

1054
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,160
work. 
We know that private equity 

1055
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,040
kills everything. 
We know that you're not going to

1056
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,560
be able to sell a pull a lever 
and bars. 

1057
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,080
The studios here, where are they
going to go? 

1058
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,480
There's not a league for them to
go to is the thing. 

1059
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,800
Unless they think they can get 
70 million a year as an 

1060
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,570
independent, which? 
Probably not, if I'm honest. 

1061
00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:58,050
Well, this is this is the big 
fascinating thing because. 

1062
00:56:58,530 --> 00:57:01,730
No, so. 
A place doesn't exist. 

1063
00:57:01,730 --> 00:57:06,130
This is and this is where people
need to understand how the Big 

1064
00:57:06,130 --> 00:57:09,810
10 thinks about things and how 
the SEC thinks about things. 

1065
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:13,650
The Big 10 would never accept 
Florida State. 

1066
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:17,250
The academics are not good at 
Florida State. 

1067
00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:21,420
It's just it's not it's not a 
place that the Big 10 would ever

1068
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:24,940
seriously consider adding. 
There are schools in the ACC 

1069
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:28,580
that the Big 10 would consider 
adding because their cultural 

1070
00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:32,060
fits and academic fits. 
Obviously North Carolina is a 

1071
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:34,180
big one. 
Pit would be 1. 

1072
00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:37,620
Miami is a stretch, but it has. 
It's a hell of a lot closer to 

1073
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:39,140
what the Big 10 will be looking 
for. 

1074
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:41,660
Then Florida State would be 
that. 

1075
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:44,380
So a lot of the response to that
has been, Oh, well, they'll just

1076
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:47,570
go to the SEC. 
And I'm just like, what members 

1077
00:57:47,570 --> 00:57:51,370
of the SEC want to elevate 
Florida State to their level in 

1078
00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:54,450
recruiting this Florida want 
Florida State to suddenly be in 

1079
00:57:54,450 --> 00:57:56,410
the same conference recruiting 
against them? 

1080
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:58,330
Does Georgia want them doing 
that? 

1081
00:57:58,330 --> 00:57:59,890
Does Auburn want them doing 
that? 

1082
00:57:59,890 --> 00:58:03,290
I mean, those are the three most
proximal SEC schools to Florida 

1083
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:05,770
State, and I think they're very 
happy with where Florida State 

1084
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:06,730
is right now. 
Thank you. 

1085
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:09,290
See if you're doing pretty well 
and it goes back to actually the

1086
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:12,730
the PAC 12 with the Comcast 
thing like you think. 

1087
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:16,020
Anything they've done the last 
couple days has the people they 

1088
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:17,900
see see going. 
Yeah, these are the people who 

1089
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:19,300
want to be in business with 
these. 

1090
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:23,700
These are the sort of of of 
screaming public and whine and 

1091
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:26,500
yell and Khrushchev style. 
Bang your shoe on the table, 

1092
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:28,210
folks. 
That are going to help our 

1093
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:32,410
conference that is notoriously 
effective by just being seals on

1094
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:35,370
the beach in the dead of night. 
This is like the SSC moves 

1095
00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:37,290
quietly. 
Well, you don't know the Ssc's 

1096
00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:39,530
killed you till you're dead. 
Well, this is they're. 

1097
00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:41,890
Going to bring it these 
charlatans. 

1098
00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:45,570
I tell you the the greatest 
example of where this comes off 

1099
00:58:45,570 --> 00:58:47,890
badly. 
And I think this will hurt 

1100
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:49,650
Florida State even more in this 
argument. 

1101
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:52,850
Look at how Nebraska has acted 
in the Big 10 so far. 

1102
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:58,140
They have been this same kind of
braying, entitled entity 

1103
00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:01,500
essentially since they entered 
and it's one them zero friends 

1104
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:04,940
like across the board in the 
conference offices in the other 

1105
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:07,980
schools. 
And you're right, I mean you got

1106
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:10,460
a preview of that. 
Now if you're at the SEC looking

1107
00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:13,780
at the Big 10 and you've dealt 
with this power, this, this past

1108
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:17,940
power that is well beyond their 
sell by date, Who still thinks 

1109
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:22,710
that it's 1985 Florida State. 
Like there's so many reasons why

1110
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:25,750
the SEC would look at them and 
say there's zero reason why we 

1111
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:28,390
want to give these people that 
much money or I put them on our 

1112
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:31,390
competitive level. 
I liked a few months ago before 

1113
00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:33,790
even this hit his he fit a few 
months ago there. 

1114
00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:37,630
I'd like director straight up 
said that like it was disgusting

1115
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:40,390
to him that Central Florida is 
going to make more money than 

1116
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:43,430
them, which they are like 
straight up name dropping other 

1117
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:48,390
programs in the state like there
it goes back to there's like no 

1118
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:50,520
couth with them. 
They're not. 

1119
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,320
They're. 
They're very They're your loud 

1120
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,240
uncle of Thanksgiving trying to 
explain to you the real facts 

1121
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,680
about January 6th, Okay. 
And if you just listen, you'll 

1122
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,440
understand about these like. 
And at the end of the day, it 

1123
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,760
blows my mind because there's 
nowhere for them to go. 

1124
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:12,960
There's no place to go for them 
and there's no incentive. 

1125
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,800
For anyone who holds their 
rights to give them like it's a 

1126
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,200
great deal. 
For ESPN, it's an incredible 

1127
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,960
deal. 
Why on earth would they offer 

1128
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,280
that deal to give them like that
was true five years ago? 

1129
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,280
Why would they? 
I don't know if anyone's seen 

1130
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,440
any of the recent report Hajj 
around the Walt Disney Company 

1131
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,640
or around media. 
There's not a lot of money out 

1132
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,240
there for anyone right now. 
And so that's why Oregon and 

1133
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,840
Washington aren't getting a full
share. 

1134
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,120
There's no more money at the 
end. 

1135
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,160
The state needs to show a place 
to go. 

1136
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,600
They haven't done that yet. 
That's like they are. 

1137
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,200
A plan without a dream is a 
wish. 

1138
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,400
Florida State, to quote Herman 
Edwards, They want to go to a 

1139
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,840
place they can identify and make
an amount of money. 

1140
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,240
The supplier of doesn't exist. 
I really want to have a billion 

1141
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,430
dollars, GAIL, and I really do. 
I at least can go buy the Mega 

1142
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:15,950
Millions ticket. 
I don't know where Florida State

1143
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:19,110
thinks the money's coming from. 
That's with all these deals. 

1144
01:01:19,310 --> 01:01:22,110
The thing for me is it where's 
the money? 

1145
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:24,790
This big, big new college ball 
playoff? 

1146
01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:27,310
Everyone assumes it's getting 
more money. 

1147
01:01:27,310 --> 01:01:29,710
Where from who? 
Where? 

1148
01:01:30,070 --> 01:01:33,750
And I think Fox, ESPN, they each
bring some money and you get 

1149
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:36,740
more money. 
Where Florida State Amazon 

1150
01:01:36,740 --> 01:01:40,260
didn't want to save the PAC 12 
and they're in Seattle. 

1151
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:44,700
Yeah, it's it's amazing to me 
because that Clemson's facing 

1152
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:47,380
the same issue now. 
They're not as loud as Florida 

1153
01:01:47,380 --> 01:01:51,140
State, but but also, but there's
but other school. 

1154
01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:53,540
I mean, Virginia Tech is in the 
same boat. 

1155
01:01:53,540 --> 01:01:55,340
This is a program that takes us 
up. 

1156
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:58,740
Miami is in the same boat. 
North Carolina is in the same 

1157
01:01:58,740 --> 01:02:00,460
boat. 
You know, I mean it is. 

1158
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,320
It is what I'm fascinated by, 
what I'm fascinated by and where

1159
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,320
I think we need to watch things 
is twofold. 

1160
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,720
A like they're really, there 
doesn't appear at this point to 

1161
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,080
be a legal trigger. 
There's no way to implode the 

1162
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,040
ACC, which is really the that's 
what a lot of these schools I 

1163
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,040
think you're going to want to 
do. 

1164
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,720
Now you make a great point, and 
this has been pointed out by 

1165
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,240
others as well. 
There's not much, There's no 

1166
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,520
money in the pot. 
Like Disney's talking about 

1167
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,240
spinning ESPN off or selling it 
off, I mean. 

1168
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:36,020
The the live rights aspects of 
this are the money is it is 

1169
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:39,300
starting to dry up. 
I mean MLS we laughed about the 

1170
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:43,620
the deal with Apple, but as you 
pointed out MLS at least had the

1171
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:48,340
ability to go and improve their 
overall market value with 

1172
01:02:48,340 --> 01:02:50,780
players. 
They got the ability to do that.

1173
01:02:51,460 --> 01:02:54,460
They could make it better. 
There's no like the PAC 12 

1174
01:02:54,460 --> 01:02:56,900
can't, But like as we said, PAC 
12 can't go out and just like 

1175
01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:00,100
get Texas or something. 
So what I where I really get 

1176
01:03:00,460 --> 01:03:03,420
interested with this though. 
So now you got the big 10 at 18 

1177
01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:07,060
you got the SEC, these are the 
two powers. 

1178
01:03:07,060 --> 01:03:10,260
You got the Big 12 who is like 
we are glad to be the 3rd place 

1179
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:13,500
Football Conference and we are 
going to be the number one 

1180
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:17,150
basketball conference most 
likely, yeah, the number one 

1181
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:19,670
lesson and all this is know what
you are and be fine with it. 

1182
01:03:19,830 --> 01:03:23,110
And so as we talk about the 
College Football Playoff, as we 

1183
01:03:23,110 --> 01:03:25,550
know, the playoff is run by the 
conference commissioners. 

1184
01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:28,940
If I'm the Big 10 in the SEC. 
Why am I? 

1185
01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:31,940
Am I going to give an extra spot
to the ACC? 

1186
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:34,260
Why on earth would they deserve 
it? 

1187
01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:37,340
What did it so now? 
An additional source of revenue 

1188
01:03:37,340 --> 01:03:39,660
and additional source of 
prominence that you've been 

1189
01:03:39,660 --> 01:03:43,940
counting on as the ACC is most 
likely not going to be there 

1190
01:03:43,940 --> 01:03:47,740
because the big boys at the 
table and girls don't have to 

1191
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:50,300
give it to you and they're not 
going to give it to you given 

1192
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:52,420
this current environment. 
Right. 

1193
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:54,820
This is why all along I was I 
had absolutely no interest in 

1194
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:56,420
the University of Connecticut 
join the Big 12. 

1195
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:58,620
Like it's nice to break your 
mark likes us. 

1196
01:03:58,620 --> 01:03:59,700
I like that. 
I appreciate it. 

1197
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:01,900
I don't think anybody else there
liked us and I I didn't like 

1198
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,980
them like it just I didn't think
it was a fit, is what I'm saying

1199
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:07,980
because as Florida State I 
didn't think they would 

1200
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:11,300
accelerate it. 
The possible lifebulb for my 

1201
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:15,580
school if we were to do anything
at all different would be a 

1202
01:04:15,580 --> 01:04:17,940
reunion with some of the our old
friends, the ACC. 

1203
01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:22,510
And what would accelerate that 
is if Florida State and the 

1204
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:25,510
socalled Magnificent 7, all 
those schools do something and I

1205
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:26,870
don't know what their legal 
recourse is. 

1206
01:04:27,110 --> 01:04:29,910
I do think the start of it is 
they needed somebody to just be 

1207
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:33,110
willing to be the clown. 
And I think Florida State didn't

1208
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:35,630
realize they were putting the 
paint on the clown paint as 

1209
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:38,270
they're painting their face, but
they've assumed the role 

1210
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:41,750
nonetheless. 
And so now if that is a split, 

1211
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:44,550
then my school benefits possibly
if they get to reunite with 

1212
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:47,550
Syracuse and I mean imagine Duke
at the Big East tournament. 

1213
01:04:47,590 --> 01:04:49,270
Weird. 
But that would be awesome to be 

1214
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:51,390
incredible. 
And because also, I think that's

1215
01:04:51,390 --> 01:04:52,750
how that split that ends up 
happening. 

1216
01:04:52,750 --> 01:04:55,550
Like I think Wake Forest would 
love to still be in a league 

1217
01:04:55,550 --> 01:04:57,830
with Clemson. 
But I I can do math. 

1218
01:04:58,350 --> 01:05:00,230
I don't think that's likely for 
them. 

1219
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:02,710
And now it becomes, yeah, 
Florida State isn't going to be 

1220
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:04,150
able to go it alone. 
I don't think they're going to 

1221
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:05,990
be able to go anywhere. 
So they're going to need to 

1222
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:09,070
create some sort of new thing 
with those seven schools, what 

1223
01:05:09,070 --> 01:05:14,030
that thing is, that's I think as
of Monday, that's where the next

1224
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:16,950
frontier is. 
And that I don't think is an 

1225
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:22,370
immediate thing. 
That is a long, legal, ugly 

1226
01:05:22,530 --> 01:05:24,970
drawn out process that gets 
drawn out to the point where 

1227
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:27,970
maybe that's when the markets 
have changed, the economic 

1228
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:30,050
headwinds have changed, 
streaming is more permanent 

1229
01:05:30,050 --> 01:05:32,810
prominent. 
Maybe then somebody is willing 

1230
01:05:32,810 --> 01:05:34,850
to do that because right now 
they aren't. 

1231
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:41,650
Right now Netflix isn't Apple, 
Apple's willing, but we, I mean 

1232
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:46,490
you know, Oregon would rather 
100 year old conference die than

1233
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:48,930
take that deal. 
Not a great endorsement, if I'm 

1234
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:52,790
honest. 
For them and Amazon, who knows 

1235
01:05:52,790 --> 01:05:54,430
where they are in five or six 
years. 

1236
01:05:54,430 --> 01:05:57,630
I think that's where the next 
frontier is and that's Florida 

1237
01:05:57,630 --> 01:06:00,310
State can yell and they can 
scream and they can plan all 

1238
01:06:00,310 --> 01:06:02,190
they want. 
I don't see where they they're 

1239
01:06:02,190 --> 01:06:04,590
going to. 
Someone's going to have to sue, 

1240
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:09,670
and I'm not going to say that I 
don't like their chances if they

1241
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:13,910
do, but you never know. 
We we need to wrap up because 

1242
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:16,150
it's almost dinner time. 
But two other things to think 

1243
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:17,990
about here for those of you out 
there. 

1244
01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:19,670
First of all, what you just said
about. 

1245
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:24,250
Is there some kind of mechanism 
to implode the ACC? 

1246
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:27,210
That would change a lot of 
things, obviously, but it's not 

1247
01:06:27,210 --> 01:06:30,250
worth talking about because I 
certainly don't see where that 

1248
01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:32,010
comes from it. 
And you've talked about that as 

1249
01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:33,810
well. 
Who that would affect to be 

1250
01:06:33,810 --> 01:06:38,090
Notre Dame, who I find it 
curious at this point. 

1251
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:40,970
As much as we keep hearing, oh, 
they're they're going to get 

1252
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:43,010
this, they're going to triple 
their TV money and they're going

1253
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:45,010
to sign this big deal. 
It's August 4th. 

1254
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:48,610
Their their contract expires 
with NBC. 

1255
01:06:49,050 --> 01:06:53,090
Next year and we've yet to see a
new deal announced. 

1256
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:56,450
I'm sure Notre Dame has money 
waiting for it. 

1257
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:59,290
I do wonder at this point if 
it's the amount of money that 

1258
01:06:59,290 --> 01:07:02,330
they think is waiting for them, 
because I feel like if that 

1259
01:07:02,330 --> 01:07:05,010
money was actually there, that 
deal would have been signed, 

1260
01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:06,650
sealed and delivered by this 
point. 

1261
01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:09,890
So what do you see as the route 
that Notre Dame takes? 

1262
01:07:10,090 --> 01:07:12,770
They keep maintaining this idea.
We're going to stay independent.

1263
01:07:12,890 --> 01:07:15,250
Is that really the route that 
they can take as they move 

1264
01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:17,720
ahead? 
I mean, they think so. 

1265
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,520
People back was going to be in 
charge at the 80 at Notre Dame, 

1266
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,760
who's in charge of NBC Sports. 
So, I mean, you know, it's time 

1267
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,680
to quid pro quo at that point. 
I expect them to get the money 

1268
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,000
they think they're going to get.
I would note that one of the 

1269
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,720
interesting reports I thought 
this week was very sad, but was 

1270
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,880
that the PAC 12 went to NBCA 
third time it was reported. 

1271
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,480
This was the third time they 
went to them asking for a deal 

1272
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,240
and they just said we're not 
interested. 

1273
01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:47,270
This is like the scene in A Few 
Good Men when Joe's like I 

1274
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:49,190
strenuously object. 
It's like, you know, it really 

1275
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:53,150
doesn't matter at this point. 
So it's worth noting NBC passed 

1276
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:56,230
on the entire PAC 12, so they're
gonna pay in order to aim. 

1277
01:07:56,430 --> 01:07:59,310
I think the answer is yes, but 
if you want to say that sounds 

1278
01:07:59,310 --> 01:08:02,110
crazy, I can't tell you it's 
not. 

1279
01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:03,870
Well, I just think of it like 
this. 

1280
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:05,990
There's two elements to it. 
One is. 

1281
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,320
If NBC really sees that as as 
worth the money in this 

1282
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,280
environment in order Dame is is 
yes, they are a brand that you 

1283
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,359
would think would be worth that.
Is that something that in order 

1284
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,800
that NBC's willing to pony up 
the cash for given that now they

1285
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,680
have this nationwide conference 
that they're also going to be 

1286
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,000
putting on in primetime, which 
takes away some of the 

1287
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,240
exclusivity that end that Notre 
Dame has had up to this point as

1288
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,240
the only property on NBC. 
But the other thing, and this is

1289
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,000
where I've got an eye on the 
ACC. 

1290
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:39,540
Notre Dame has conveniently 
parked all of their non football

1291
01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:43,819
sports in the ACC. 
If the ACC disintegrates, this 

1292
01:08:43,819 --> 01:08:47,899
is a much like Stanford. 
This is a school that really 

1293
01:08:47,899 --> 01:08:51,340
thinks that the Olympic sports 
and the non football sports 

1294
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:55,859
matter, at least to some degree.
The idea that they would like 

1295
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:58,500
keep them in a much diminished 
ACCI? 

1296
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,060
Don't know if that's actually a 
longterm play. 

1297
01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:04,500
So I do wonder what happens 
there because if they're looking

1298
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:07,819
for a home for their non revenue
sports or Olympic sports, 

1299
01:09:07,819 --> 01:09:09,380
there's not a lot of options for
them. 

1300
01:09:09,939 --> 01:09:12,939
What happens is they immediately
join the Big East, like 

1301
01:09:12,939 --> 01:09:16,300
immediately and Gonzaga possibly
gets it added with them and then

1302
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:17,500
that becomes a whole different 
thing. 

1303
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:19,740
But that's what I think happens.
Like they didn't get some money 

1304
01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:21,020
from the ACC. 
Now it's not like they get 

1305
01:09:21,020 --> 01:09:23,460
nothing. 
They got a pretty good cut. 

1306
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:25,620
That's part of the deal to get 
them and it's not a full share, 

1307
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:27,819
but it's a share and that's part
of the thing Like even if the 

1308
01:09:27,819 --> 01:09:30,460
NBC money isn't as high as 
they're saying, if it's like 

1309
01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:34,470
close Clemson needs in order to 
aim to get like 40 million a 

1310
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:36,390
year. 
I don't think that's happening. 

1311
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:38,950
I think they're going to get a 
well north of 55 or 60. 

1312
01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:44,870
If if if they get less somehow 
and they aren't taken care of by

1313
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:47,310
NBC and nobody else comes in and
gives them that money, which I 

1314
01:09:47,310 --> 01:09:49,950
think people would. 
I think ESPN would because you 

1315
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:53,870
only got to pay for one and it's
a it's a huge brand say what 

1316
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:57,670
we'll joke about them there is 
there is like it matters nor 

1317
01:09:58,230 --> 01:09:59,950
they they're still very 
important they have a they have 

1318
01:09:59,950 --> 01:10:02,110
a great obviously great football
schedule to get access to all 

1319
01:10:02,110 --> 01:10:06,390
those games a lot of which 
involve the ACC part of the deal

1320
01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:10,470
So it Clemson needs Nordam 
didn't to not to get a really 

1321
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:12,470
bad offer that's what Clemson 
needs. 

1322
01:10:12,750 --> 01:10:15,150
If Norton gets a pretty good 
offer, they just stay and 

1323
01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:17,870
they're fine and they're stable.
And this, this, I don't think a 

1324
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:19,910
lot moves there's until Florida 
State. 

1325
01:10:20,190 --> 01:10:21,750
I think Florida State's kind of 
waiting on that. 

1326
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:23,300
They're waiting to see what that
deal is. 

1327
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:25,420
They're hoping it's a bad deal. 
If it isn't, and I don't think 

1328
01:10:25,420 --> 01:10:28,220
it will be, then maybe Florida 
State escalates this with 

1329
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:30,700
actually firing nuclear weapons.
I don't know how much more it. 

1330
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:32,980
Will escalate this beyond where 
we are. 

1331
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:34,820
Like I think their whole board 
of trustees went to saw 

1332
01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:37,060
Oppenheimer and just came out 
and decided we have to schedule 

1333
01:10:37,060 --> 01:10:38,260
a meeting right now. 
Right now. 

1334
01:10:38,420 --> 01:10:41,780
This is disgusting. 
This is crazy humanity right now

1335
01:10:42,180 --> 01:10:44,860
because that's the next thing to
keep an eye on is yeah, what? 

1336
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:48,420
Nor Dame's deal is the next one 
and what happens with them. 

1337
01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:52,360
And you know as in terms of 
UConn, if we chance for us to 

1338
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,400
end up with a lot of those 
remnants is based off of a lot 

1339
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,320
of that. 
I I think Nordam, yeah, that's 

1340
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,880
the plan and I think it's 
actually pretty realistic to 

1341
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,600
just keep going along. 
I don't think Nordam thinks they

1342
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,440
need 75,000,000 a year. 
They're fine with like 60 

1343
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:08,640
million a year. 
They can make up the difference.

1344
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,600
Much like Stanford, they're good
for the money. 

1345
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,960
You don't want to know where 
it's coming from. 

1346
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,920
But it's there different. 
It's different kettle of fish, 

1347
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,730
so to speak, for Florida State, 
you know, and Florida State will

1348
01:11:21,730 --> 01:11:23,810
be the first to let you know it 
by their actions. 

1349
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:26,770
You would not see Notre Dame do 
this in public. 

1350
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:29,810
No, you wouldn't see CC school 
doing this in public. 

1351
01:11:30,610 --> 01:11:32,370
You wouldn't see Miami doing 
this in public. 

1352
01:11:32,370 --> 01:11:33,930
You wouldn't see North Carolina 
do this in public. 

1353
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:35,370
You wouldn't see Virginia do 
this in public. 

1354
01:11:35,890 --> 01:11:38,770
You apparently also wouldn't see
Clemson do this in public. 

1355
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:41,770
For Florida State to do this, it
really is kind of an emperor has

1356
01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:44,970
no close moment for me and it's 
it's it's not a good look. 

1357
01:11:45,170 --> 01:11:48,490
Just like all afternoon Galen. 
I mean, I feel bad though on 

1358
01:11:48,490 --> 01:11:50,290
this one. 
Seeing the Washington State 

1359
01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:54,690
public statements is just like, 
guys, you could just say 

1360
01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:56,690
nothing. 
You don't need to issue a public

1361
01:11:56,690 --> 01:11:59,610
statement of how disappointed 
you are and everyone like you 

1362
01:11:59,610 --> 01:12:01,930
don't have to confirm your place
in the pecking order. 

1363
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:05,810
Some fans want to see that. 
Fans love seeing that. 

1364
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:07,410
I'm sure the Washington State 
fans love that. 

1365
01:12:08,050 --> 01:12:11,450
That's not solving this. 
Yeah, well it's going to be an 

1366
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:13,610
interesting ride. 
We will probably be talking 

1367
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:16,530
about this again within the next
couple of weeks because I get 

1368
01:12:17,530 --> 01:12:19,850
the dowers days. 
We will come back and talk about

1369
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:22,970
this more as events warrant. 
But this was good to catch up 

1370
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:26,810
with you on this and what what 
is what is what 2 weeks. 

1371
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:32,410
And you know, it's going to be a
fascinating next year as we see 

1372
01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:36,110
how all of the pieces. 
Fall together on this and what 

1373
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:39,070
are the fallout happens and 
where all of these schools that 

1374
01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:41,910
don't have homes right now or 
trying to get out of their homes

1375
01:12:42,190 --> 01:12:46,790
end up actually going so. 
And what looked like a very weak

1376
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:51,510
2024-2025 and 2026 University of
Connecticut football schedule, 

1377
01:12:52,030 --> 01:12:56,310
as I have noted, all of a sudden
might get a lot better because 

1378
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:59,690
the misfortune of some they mean
a home and home. 

1379
01:12:59,690 --> 01:13:03,370
With Stanford football, we will 
welcome Wazoo to East Hartford. 

1380
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:05,050
We can't wait to see the 
Beavers. 

1381
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:07,290
There's a river under Yukon 
Football Stadium. 

1382
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:09,250
Beavers. 
There's a river down there. 

1383
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:12,130
It's underground. 
You can dam it up here in East 

1384
01:13:12,130 --> 01:13:14,330
Hartford. 
So we're gonna benefit from 

1385
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:16,170
this. 
I think, and I actually they got

1386
01:13:16,170 --> 01:13:18,610
you. 
The opposite happens. 

1387
01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:21,450
They are punished by the fact 
that now Oregon and Washington 

1388
01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:28,770
are in the Big 10 for 2024 
because man, the football, the 

1389
01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:33,530
football schedule I U had for 
2024, which is now in the trash.

1390
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:36,650
This was ideal. 
No Michigan. 

1391
01:13:36,970 --> 01:13:40,370
No Ohio State. 
UCLA at home. 

1392
01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:42,850
Penn State at home. 
Minnesota at home. 

1393
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:46,110
Traveling to Michigan State and 
Nebraska and Northwestern, I'll 

1394
01:13:46,110 --> 01:13:49,510
take that any day of the week. 
That's all out the window now. 

1395
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:54,670
And I pulled it's it's so insane
that like, really, we have to do

1396
01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:58,310
this for every sport. 
Like, does does UCLA baseball 

1397
01:13:58,310 --> 01:14:00,470
have to be in a conference with 
Rutgers? 

1398
01:14:01,150 --> 01:14:05,270
Like, does women's soccer need? 
It is, and this is something 

1399
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:07,870
this is, this is something we 
really need to have a separate. 

1400
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,200
Podcast on, But it but, and I'll
end with this, and I said this 

1401
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:17,480
earlier on Twitter, this is what
happens when nobody's in charge 

1402
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,720
and when people who are in a 
business refuse to acknowledge 

1403
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,000
that they're in a business. 
And you know the absolute. 

1404
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:29,870
Temerity of these schools and 
the athletic directors to go in 

1405
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:33,590
front of Congress and claim that
they need controls on player 

1406
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:37,190
movement because it's ruining 
college sports to then turn 

1407
01:14:37,190 --> 01:14:41,510
around and have all of this 
happen in their own backyards is

1408
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:43,630
about as hypocritical as you can
get. 

1409
01:14:43,630 --> 01:14:46,390
And I expect it, certainly 
because that's what you've 

1410
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:48,350
gotten out of college athletics.
I don't. 

1411
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:51,430
I'm not morally offended by it, 
but I do think it's kind of 

1412
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:54,530
hilarious that. 
When you have nobody in charge, 

1413
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:57,370
this is what happens. 
And you know, look, if the NFL 

1414
01:14:57,370 --> 01:15:00,090
had nobody in charge, this is 
what would happen if Major 

1415
01:15:00,090 --> 01:15:01,370
League Baseball had nobody in 
charge. 

1416
01:15:01,450 --> 01:15:05,170
We seen it in European soccer 
where there's really nobody in 

1417
01:15:05,170 --> 01:15:07,130
charge. 
And this is what has almost 

1418
01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:09,170
happened and will certainly 
eventually happen within the 

1419
01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:11,250
next few years. 
Yeah, people talk about how to 

1420
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:13,370
stop this. 
Well, in Europe, the fans rose 

1421
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:16,530
up because fans have that power.
the United States of fans just 

1422
01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:19,610
like, didn't buy season tickets 
or didn't turn on the games. 

1423
01:15:19,610 --> 01:15:22,580
But they're going to. 
They're gonna watch you all. 

1424
01:15:22,580 --> 01:15:24,420
You listening? 
Can't wait for the first Oregon 

1425
01:15:24,780 --> 01:15:26,580
Purdue game. 
You can't wait to watch 

1426
01:15:26,580 --> 01:15:28,860
Washington, MD. 
You're gonna watch every single 

1427
01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:29,740
one of them. 
You say you weren't. 

1428
01:15:29,740 --> 01:15:31,740
You're gonna be right there. 
Ooh, the game's tight in the 

1429
01:15:31,740 --> 01:15:34,260
fourth quarter. 
I'll put on Rutgers Washington. 

1430
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:36,620
You will. 
That's the difference is here 

1431
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:39,490
folks, like everything else in 
American life, people just take 

1432
01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:40,610
it. 
People just take stuff. 

1433
01:15:40,610 --> 01:15:42,610
And it's if you want to be 
annoyed, that's what should 

1434
01:15:42,610 --> 01:15:45,130
annoy you. 
Because unless you think the 

1435
01:15:45,130 --> 01:15:48,450
benevolent, the benevolent 
overlords of the public 

1436
01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:50,810
Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia 
are going to come in with 

1437
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:54,090
Florida State and solve this, 
they're probably not. 

1438
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,360
The people and the fans have the
power and they just never use 

1439
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:58,240
it. 
They never use it. 

1440
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,600
Never one time have they used 
it. 

1441
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,160
Prove me wrong, America. 
Prove. 

1442
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,040
Me wrong. 
Last, very last thing. 

1443
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,560
And then we're definitely going.
But this just popped up on 

1444
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,840
Stuart Mandel's Twitter feed. 
The Oregon's Regents and 

1445
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,560
President are right now, as we 
as we're doing this podcast, 

1446
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:20,720
having their call about joining 
the Big 10, and one of the 

1447
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,640
Regents is on the golf course. 
On his phone taking this call, 

1448
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,240
there might be no greater 
metaphor that we'll see visually

1449
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,440
for this whole process than what
we're seeing there. 

1450
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,760
MY1 take away is surely the I'm 
not saying it'll work, but 

1451
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,520
hasn't the PAC 12 got us sue for
torturous interference? 

1452
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,960
Sue somebody on the end of this.
Who they going to sue though? 

1453
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,120
They're going to sue? 
Are they going to sue Fox? 

1454
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,480
Are they going to sue the Big 
10? 

1455
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,000
Again, this is kind of like 
Florida State saying we're going

1456
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,110
to sue our own league for fraud,
but that's the thing. 

1457
01:16:52,110 --> 01:16:54,550
They might have a case. 
I don't think they will. 

1458
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:58,790
But like at the that's my very 
curious thing is what on earth 

1459
01:16:58,790 --> 01:17:00,790
is the. 
Because we've gotten so many and

1460
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:03,750
they're all conveniently date 
stamped, we've gotten so many 

1461
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:06,830
PAC 12 statements. 
I can't wait for the one after 

1462
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:09,910
this. 
I can't even fathom what the PR 

1463
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:13,230
strategy is after this. 
We always wanted Nevada. 

1464
01:17:14,590 --> 01:17:17,040
All right. 
For Zach, I'm Galen. 

1465
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,040
Thank you for joining us all. 
As we talked some crazy college 

1466
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,920
sports realignment. 
Thanks to our friends at Home 

1467
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,080
Field Apparel. 
Be sure to check out our regular

1468
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,520
podcast on Crimson Cast. 
We're tackling the I U football 

1469
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,440
season and we'll be talking 
about other stuff going on in 

1470
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:31,840
the conference here pretty soon 
anyway. 

1471
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,720
We'll catch you folks on the 
flip side. 

1472
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:34,480
So everybody.