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Thanks everybody who came out 
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didn't cut, thank you for those 
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Well, you're in for quite a 
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This is our first live Crimson 
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We're excited about it. 

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If you don't know who Crimson 
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You can see our logo up there, 
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basketball. 
I use Sports in general. 

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I'm Gail and class. 
Bo my co-host of here is Scott 

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Caulfield, and he is not here 
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some point in the future. 
We're going to talk some IU 

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So thank you all for being here 
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for a bit. 
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Alright, welcome back to Crimson
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I'm Galen klaviyo along with 
Scott Caulfield and all of our 

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friends here at switchyard 
Brewing Company, in Bloomington 

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on North Walnut Street. 
We're excited to be here for our

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first live show in quite a while
in the city of Bloomington, as 

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we get ready to talk IU football
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this weekend at Memorial 
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coming to Memorial Stadium to 
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that does not happen that often 
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non-conference are excited to 
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All of that. 
We've got some great guests, 

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the audience. 
We got the folks out there on 

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Twitter and on Facebook joining 
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Scott. 
I wish you were down here. 

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It's awesome. 
I'm looking forward to having 

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you come down for one of these, 
but we do have Scott on a 

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monitor here on screen. 
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or something and give him, Some 
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Oh, there we go. 
That's excellent. 

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Scott. 
How you doing, buddy? 

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Nope. 
Own and drive down. 

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Oh, and now you can't hear me. 
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unmuted you. 
So we're off to a great start 

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already, please go ahead with 
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meet me because I probably would
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But ya know that then now the 
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you're mentioning the fomo and 
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some point you're gonna put a 
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Like how is this is awful. 
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camera, please. 
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there. 
That better. 

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Got some orange blossom, fun. 
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There you go. 
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the other day. 
It's not really fomo. 

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If you're already missing out. 
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at missing out, right? 
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Or ma'am. 
Go Mitten muted and anger. 

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But yeah, I'm excited. 
I'm very excited for this. 

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I'm happy to see everybody out 
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And let's go. 
Let's talk, dude. 

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It's a game weekend. 
Let's again weekend. 

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We got a lot of fun things to 
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dive right into it. 
We've got our first special 

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guest on the evening from The 
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assembly call, kind of all over 
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Media, sphere, Tyler tack when 
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How you doing? 
Good to see you. 

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I needed you to be. 
There we go. 

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We're off to an even better 
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live microphones. 
It's tremendous. 

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Anyway, Tyler. 
Good to see you. 

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How's it going? 
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I'm doing great. 
It's a man fall in Bloomington. 

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Doesn't get much better than 
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We have football going on 
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Coming up there. 
Very exciting time. 

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Now, you're not a native of 
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Your native of North Carolina. 
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know that might not go over it 
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He don't boo. 
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got him to come to school here. 
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accomplishment, but Tyler's done
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This job, not only fighting 
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student but managing to write 
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covering this IU football team. 
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Let's talk a little bit about 
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season, you know, an interesting
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But from where this team was two
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It's almost like a lot of the 
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the season are still kind of 
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they lose the best team that 
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and then they take care of Idaho
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compete at the highest level. 
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with Michael penix jr. 
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understated, like a kid as 2021 
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season-ending injuries and what,
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the toll that it takes the first
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really gotten into a rhythm. 
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about this, a bit, The Narrative
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will Panic. 
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Like where are you at with all 
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Well, first off, I'm excited for
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wife. 
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just like, yeah, we're meeting 
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I would never well. 
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Something that's gone away. 
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reoccurring theme after two 
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talking about. 
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know, penix did not look like 
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the last couple of years. 
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know, I think Tyler's, right? 
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this team because I think we can
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goes up. 
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One of the problems is teams run
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it's hard to overstate how hard 
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You have a top 10 team at home 
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scheduled, that was not a top 10
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Fickle was not the head coach. 
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Kentucky, who looks sneaky got 
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Date, I mean this is maybe that 
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overall in college football. 
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that any team has. 
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what do you try to lean on? 
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the the game on Saturday because
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really be a telling sign of the 
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Because if you win Saturday 
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likely you have three wins in a 
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you have some momentum rolling, 
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will office, is far behind you 
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better chance of potentially 
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But if you lose lose this game, 
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of trying to gain any sort of 
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Kentucky game. 
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being able to beat up Penn State
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home, go to Michigan to win. 
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game on Saturday. 
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with this team. 
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beginning of the year and try to
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Because what we've seen under 
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tend to start slow. 
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went to the Gator Bowl didn't 
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strong. 
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State, they lost at Michigan 
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steam in October and November. 
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wasn't entirely like Think you 
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injury. 
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better a little further into the
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So, you know, I keep going back 
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one hand, I don't want to get 
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know, is like, is this a grower 
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Like we normally see nor have we
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Seen the most of what they can 
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scary if that's the case, but 
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The thing is when I look at the 

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offenses, there's just too many 
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I feel like Like, for it, not to
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But they just have so many guys 
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Given night. 
Go off and you have Ty. 

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Fry Fogle. 
Potentially. 

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One of the, you know, the best 
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Michael Pena. 
Junior doesn't even need to be 

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perfect to throw it to him. 
We saw so many times last season

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where trifocal just goes down 
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the direction that he is and 
he'll go up and make a play. 

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But you also have DJ Matthews. 
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able to do and that punt return 
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And then miles Marshall, who's 
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had the measurables in the 
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but, you know, he's been kind of
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And then obviously, Stephen 
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Hendershot to, you know, he 
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all this year and coming off of 
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That was kind of underwhelming. 
So there's just so many 

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potential pieces on the offense 
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see it, not working out. 
But, you know, so far in the 

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first two games, it hasn't 
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I mean, back to the schedule 
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I will say it's I'm just 
searching it like it again. 

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It's a quick search. 
But like yard Barker has the top

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20 got toughest college football
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Indiana's not in the top 20. 
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like a few yard Barker, 
secondly, like the number-one 

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Did you just call out yard 
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I didn't even know. 
Yard Barker. 

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Hell are they still open? 
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blogs fought at this point? 
Go on go there? 

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No FM. 
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yard and no beer. 
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they get nothing, no pints for 
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No, like you look at Arkansas 
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At least rut not right now. 
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Like I did I did a, the Crimson 
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and we were talking about this. 
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But it, it looks like You know, 
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Ohio, State's not going to suck.
I mean, they didn't lose a game.

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It looks like Iowa is legit. 
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that by the end of the year, 
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which a lot of these other 
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to your point on the Iowa game, 
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aberration or not. 
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But to me this week kind of 
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what Iowa's game was that if we 
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I think we can look back and 
say, okay. 

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We're not in the same class as 
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These four teams that were 
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If we play Cincinnati, really 
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chalk up that Iowa game to all 
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Jitters. 
It's kinnock. 

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I was really good. 
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We beat Cincinnati. 
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it's going to help kind of 
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questions, but also, it'll do 
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we can expect for Penn State and
Ohio State. 

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We're live here at switchyard. 
Brewing Company in Bloomington, 

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Indiana. 
Hope, Will you get a chance to 

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come out and sample some of 
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stuff. 
The food is awesome. 

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Given that the pizza here at 
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You're absolutely missing out or
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19 orders of breadsticks on the 
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rightfully. 
So, I would say also wanted to 

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mention a couple of things real 
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We will actually be back next 
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watch party for the IU Western 
Kentucky football game. 

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That'll be. 
Yeah. 

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That's right. 
Applaud that absolutely what 

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will be here 7:30 for the 
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do a half time and then we'll do
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and watch with us, which let me 
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experience that you then, if you
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having, But be sure to come out 
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We'll be right back here at 
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We're looking forward to that. 
We appreciate everybody here, 

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allowing us to Sully their stage
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beautiful White's that they've 
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As we Are you football also 
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We'll be talking about Big 
Brothers, Big Sisters. 

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The 2021, duck dive is going to 
be happening in October. 

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You can buy ducks for that. 
We'll talk more about that next 

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week, but be ready to do that. 
They'll have a table here during

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that game and we'd love to love 
to have you come in and 

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contribute to that. 
So Tyler, you know, one of the 

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things I've noticed and we 
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preseason, a lot of hype about 
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I you football team and people 
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They were like, well, they don't
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Don't beat Cincinnati. 
They're going to lose all of 

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these fans that have come 
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about IU football, and 
certainly, I think they lost to 

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Iowa. 
We haven't seen that fall off 

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too much because there is a 
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Saturday. 
I don't know if you check Stub 

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Hub, but tickets are going for 
like significant amounts of 

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money. 
I have parking passes in the 

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green lat and I could sell one 
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dollars on StubHub. 
If I wanted to which I do not 

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get that kind of money for my 
parking passes. 

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I'm not going to sell them, but 
it doesn't feel like too many 

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people but jumped off the 
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I will lost. 
But what do you think happens in

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in either event? 
Like, if they win this game? 

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If they lose this game? 
Like what are the forking paths 

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that come out of that? 
Either result. 

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I think the biggest evidence is,
is looking at the student 

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section in the Idaho game. 
I mean, it was near full 

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probably an hour before kickoff.
I mean, it was packed in being 

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down on the field. 
You, I mean, you could feel the 

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energy when the Guys, were the 
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hyping up the crowd and I know 
we have Matt coming on later 

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talking about benches being 
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But you know, it's hard for me 
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loss against Cincinnati is 
totally going to Halt, all the 

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momentum and kind of excitement 
around the program. 

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It will obviously help if they 
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this whole season, you know, 
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because there was no fans last 
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see Hannah. 
Passion from the fan base. 

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Yeah, I would be great if that 
were the case. 

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And we talked about this before.
It's like, if you're coming to 

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IU football, expecting it to be 
easy. 

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You've come to the wrong place, 
General. 

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I mean, it's just historically 
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someone who's come, you know, 
watch out you football for 

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decades. 
My dad used to bring me two 

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games in the 80s and you know, 
it makes the Great Moments that 

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much more exciting. 
It's what made that Penn State 

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win in the Michigan winter? 
Last year as enjoyable as they 

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were the win at, Nebraska. 
Two years earlier, but, you 

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know, it's almost unfair because
if they could finish eighth and 

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for very easily this year and 
it's just the order of Dave's if

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they lose to out of their first 
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know, overall on the season. 
That's a great year. 

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That's a top 5% season and IU 
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So a lot of it really does come 
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things are happening and if 
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at the end of the season, 
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beginning, it can be able to 
difficult. 

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I'll leave. 
I had to get out of here with 

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this. 
Is there a player offense or 

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defense that you're expecting 
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or a really important game for 
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I'll kind of take that as a 
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I think I won't name like one 
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Desmond Ritter, the quarterback 
for Cincinnati is a really 

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proven guy. 
He can do things on the ground 

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and throwing the ball and there 
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had over a hundred yards 
rushing. 

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Um, three touchdowns on the 
ground in both of those games, 

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but the thing that I liked 
schematically for Indiana's 

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defense going into this game is 
the Husky and the bull position 

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because those offer to just 
versatile positions. 

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The bowl is the defensive end 
linebacker. 

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Hybrid husky is a linebacker 
safety hybrid and the best way 

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to keep Ritter on his toes is 
just to be able to use 

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different. 
Looks use the versatility up 

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from guys like Jerry and handy 
Marcelino ball. 

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We saw last year A lot of times 
bringing guys off the edge 

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Taiwan Mullen. 
He has led you know, one of the 

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one of the leaders in sacks, but
I think using that versatility 

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to Indiana's best interest to 
just to give him different looks

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and not let him get comfortable 
and the comparison I made a week

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or two ago was it's almost like 
position was basketball in terms

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of what Indiana is doing with 
those two positions. 

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If Miller cop is bringing the 
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You have to be potentially that 
he could. 

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Pull up for three. 
You have to put a handle but he 

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could also drive past you. 
So I think with those two 

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positions, just being able to be
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different looks, I think, you 
know, could allow for Indiana to

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have the opportunity to kind of 
slow him down. 

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All right. 
We'll see what happens. 

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It should be a lot of fun. 
I love that point though. 

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I mean the position was 
positions that I use got have 

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the potential to disrupt things 
and that's really what this IU 

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defense likes to do. 
Tyler tackman from the Hoosier 

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Network joining us on the show. 
Thank you so much. 

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Really? 
Appreciate it. 

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Yeah. 
Thank you for All right. 

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So Scott, let's let's talk a 
little bit more about things 

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here is we kind of transition 
out. 

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So some things to keep in mind 
with this football game. 

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Obviously, you know, Indiana is 
a three and a half Point 

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Underdog over unders 49 and a 
half. 

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I have not had a chance to 
listen to Crimson cash yet. 

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So, can you give me? 
Give us the cliff notes? 

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Like what have you and James 
talked about as far as which 

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ways the spread going? 
What do you thinking on over 

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under? 
Like, where is it? 

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Where you at with things on 
this? 

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And I think the line, Line 
either the line moved or if we 

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had it for when we did it. 
I think the overrun there was 

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like 50 at the time. 
You know, the thing I think we 

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both agreed on is I think that 
you know, the the idea is that 

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Indiana is probably not going to
win like 34 to 28 just from what

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we've seen from this offense, if
they win is probably going to be

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like a 17 to 10 game or a maybe 
a 22:14 game. 

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You're going to need your 
defense to step up. 

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Maybe the defense gets a couple 
of you know, turnovers. 

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But so definitely I think the 
under might be a way to go in 

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the game unless you just think 
Cincinnati is gonna blow us out 

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which by the way, you know, you 
and yard Barker nothing. 

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Hopefully, you don't think that 
way but you know, so I think the

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under is the way to go. 
Unfortunately, I'll give away, 

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you know, both James and I kind 
of like Cincinnati to cover by 

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for. 
I think that's that's a very 

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high possibility of what could 
happen. 

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But definitely the under I think
is the way to go on this because

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I just don't think I think 
Cincinnati can put up some 

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points. 
I think we've shown the ability 

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to put up points if you think 
Indiana is going to win. 

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Like I said, I think they're 
gonna need to hold hold 

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Cincinnati under 10 under 20 
under under 20 points. 

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It's interesting and we'll get 
into predictions and all that 

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here in a little bit. 
But I think one of the things 

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that is fascinating to me about 
this game is I don't really 

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think anybody knows how good 
Cincinnati actually is. 

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And here's why I say that they 
are in the top 10, they Played 

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one power Conference team in the
last season and a half. 

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They they lost to Georgia and 
that bowl game. 

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And they played really well in 
that game, but they basically 

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played nobody else the entire 
season that the other team that 

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they played that had any kind of
pulse was Tulsa and they only 

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beat them. 
I think by like three or seven 

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points there, two wins that over
the course of the first, two 

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games of this season, or Miami 
of Ohio and Murray State, 

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neither of whom are good and And
you even go to last year, you 

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know, they they struggled on the
road at least in one game. 

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They only one 3633 at South 
Florida. 

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They did play pretty well at 
Southern Miss, but I just I, you

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know, as much as everybody looks
at this Cincinnati team and says

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top 10 team legitimate playoff 
Contender. 

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We really other than the bowl 
game that they played and look, 

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they played really well in that 
bowl game. 

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I don't think we've seen the 
evidence that says that game in 

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and game out. 
This is a team that can compete 

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against Power 5. 
So this Indiana games are real 

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interesting litmus test for them
this in the game that they have 

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against Notre Dame in a couple 
of weeks because it is really 

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the first time that they've had 
to play that level of 

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competition on the road. 
And as hard as it was for 

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Indiana to go to Iowa and win. 
And look, we should have known 

452
00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,000
that. 
That was going to be a tough 

453
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000
game. 
It's going to be hard for 

454
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,600
Cincinnati, to go into a pack 
Memorial Stadium. 

455
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,600
And when I mean, it's not just 
how it we have a tendency to 

456
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,300
under radar, selves a bit here 
at IU, but it's not necessarily 

457
00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:28,100
A Walk in the park. 
So I am really curious about how

458
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:32,200
good Cincinnati actually is and 
watching them have to measure up

459
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,700
against a higher level of 
talent, a higher level of 

460
00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:38,000
coaching. 
Yeah, I'm just I'm adding it up 

461
00:21:38,008 --> 00:21:43,500
right now in Ritter's career. 
He has played Seven ranked 

462
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:45,600
teams. 
And again, we're going to play 

463
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,400
for in the first seven weeks of 
our season. 

464
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,900
Not to two of those, two of 
those risks to those ranked 

465
00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:53,600
teams were Memphis. 
But anyway, go on great. 

466
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,100
Go back to back which heat, 
which they lost, and to your 

467
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:57,800
point. 
Yeah, I mean, in 20, I mean, 

468
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,400
it's 2018 is a while ago, but, 
you know, they lost the only 

469
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,300
ranked team. 
They played UCF, 2019. 

470
00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,900
They played Memphis twice, lost 
to him. 

471
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:07,500
They beat UCF, but they got 
completely Smoked by Ohio State 

472
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:11,400
42 to nothing. 
So I think your point is very 

473
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,700
valid. 
And, you know, this is something

474
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:15,500
that this is partially. 
Why? 

475
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:20,000
I at the time liked Indiana 
against Iowa, which I kind of 

476
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,400
reciprocal. 
But you know, I do think this is

477
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,300
where we have an interesting 
spot where you know, Ritter is 

478
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:28,800
their number one strength, our 
number one strength. 

479
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,500
I still think, as our defense, 
our defensive secondary, so you 

480
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,900
have kind of a strength, vs. 
Strength going on here where you

481
00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:38,300
know, you hope that Our 
secondary Taiwan Mullen coming 

482
00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,400
off a good game against Idaho, 
can keep that going and you 

483
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,900
know, I think that's something 
you also haven't truly seen is 

484
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,400
if a team can put the clamps on 
Ritter and they're unable to get

485
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,000
him going. 
Now. 

486
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,700
What is Cincinnati have to do 
and does it all fall apart 

487
00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:54,600
there. 
It could very well be a 

488
00:22:54,608 --> 00:22:56,700
defensive battle. 
I mean, any time you see an over

489
00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:00,300
under under 50, it's an 
indication that they're not 

490
00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,400
expecting a huge number of 
points to be scored. 

491
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,300
And really, I was talking about 
this. 

492
00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,800
I made a Rise appearance on mind
your banners earlier today. 

493
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,700
And, you know, we were talking 
about this, the defense is might

494
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,300
end up being what rules the 
roost in this game for both 

495
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,200
teams. 
I mean, Cincinnati's defense is 

496
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000
ranked number one overall in the
country and ELO. 

497
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,800
Indiana's is not ranked as 
highly but largely that comes 

498
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,200
off of that, Iowa game and 
certainly they had a great game 

499
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,600
last time. 
It's really interesting thinking

500
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,800
about, if you're going to have a
defensive Showdown, we don't see

501
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600
a whole lot of those in IU 
football games. 

502
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,200
But this is kind of where we're 
at right now, and until Michael 

503
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,600
penix in the offense, really get
their legs under them. 

504
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,300
The defense for I use going to 
have to carry things and I feel 

505
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:46,800
like this is just the right type
of defense that could give 

506
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,300
Desmond, Ritter some kind of 
problems largely for what, 

507
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:52,400
Tyler, just talked about. 
Because you've got so much speed

508
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,400
because you've got, you know, 
defense, that isn't so reliant 

509
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,100
on an interior defensive line. 
Like you're expecting to play 

510
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,600
quarterback runs. 
You're expecting to defend the 

511
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,200
passing game and I think for 
Cincinnati. 

512
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,400
It's a similar thing. 
We're that. 

513
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,900
You know, they've got my 
Lysander, my J Sanders. 

514
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:12,700
I think, his name is seven sacks
last year, Ahmad Gardner, who's 

515
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,200
actually taller than Thai fry. 
Fogle was playing cornerback. 

516
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,900
Probably going to be that 
primary matchup. 

517
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:19,100
They've got really good 
defensive players as well. 

518
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:22,900
So this could be if, you know, a
stalemate to some degree for 

519
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:25,200
large, portions of the game, is 
these two teams. 

520
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,100
Try to figure out how to play 
against the other and it may end

521
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:32,200
up being the defense's that have
to set the tone for both sides. 

522
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:35,900
Yeah. 
Thanks for that. 

523
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,500
That's appreciate you adding on 
to that. 

524
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:42,000
That's great as well. 
Said, couple other things to 

525
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000
keep in mind. 
I think as we go into this game,

526
00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:45,600
I don't know what the crowds 
going to be. 

527
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,900
Like, it's good. 
First of all, the weather is 

528
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:50,300
going to be awesome. 
It is going to be, I think, 84 

529
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:55,000
degrees 85 to get what 87°, I'm 
hearing from the crowd right 

530
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,200
now. 
Sunny most likely to might be a 

531
00:24:58,208 --> 00:25:00,500
little bit of precipitation very
early in the morning. 

532
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,200
That's passing weather. 
But we, then, again, we've 

533
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
talked about that a couple of 
times already this season over 

534
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,100
necessarily makes that much of a
difference. 

535
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,100
What's this crowd going to be 
like, it's actually early, which

536
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,900
I think helps the student 
section that, you know, the 

537
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:19,100
student section when they don't 
have 12 hours before kickoff is 

538
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,400
generally fresher. 
And even the people out in the, 

539
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,500
you know, the tailgate Lots. 
Yes, some of them are going to 

540
00:25:24,508 --> 00:25:28,300
get there early, but having only
three to four hours to be in the

541
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,800
tailgate lots and then go to the
game and it's noon and You're 

542
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,100
locked in. 
This could be a pretty raucous 

543
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,800
atmosphere. 
We don't see a whole lot of 

544
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,000
games like that without you, but
we've seen a few in the past and

545
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,700
it can be good. 
I that's going to be a big thing

546
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,100
though. 
And I think for IU we don't talk

547
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,700
about home-field advantage that 
much at Memorial Stadium, but 

548
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:51,000
this is one of the few instances
where all the stars might align 

549
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,800
and it's like, hey the crowd and
the stadium, make a difference 

550
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,100
and end up making this a 
difficult game for Cincinnati to

551
00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,100
play. 
If everything goes well and on 

552
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,600
my pot Hood, As we were talking,
he was talking about you. 

553
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,300
He just said, like, well 
hopefully on the crowd rules a 

554
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:05,900
day and pushes Indiana over the 
top. 

555
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,800
And I was like, well, I like 
that idea but I'm in this is 

556
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,300
something for you to think about
Galen like, has that ever 

557
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:12,800
happened? 
Like, how many times has there 

558
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,100
been a game where you're like, 
oh, the memorial stadium that 

559
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,100
the crowd helped us get over? 
Like a lot of times. 

560
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,900
He joked James joke of a steel 
is joke, but he was like, you 

561
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:23,200
know, it's normally the Ohio 
State crowd that's in there. 

562
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,700
The pushes out of state over the
top. 

563
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,900
Well, but no, I that's that's 
that's that's kind of the point 

564
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:29,100
though. 
It's like what is the last time 

565
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,200
there was a sellout crowd for 
anything that In an Ohio State 

566
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,100
game. 
I can't remember one. 

567
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:37,300
And, I mean, it's like being 
with a lot of their fans, you 

568
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:40,900
know, I'm with you. 
And I said it before, I'll say 

569
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:42,700
it again. 
I was so impressed with the 

570
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:45,600
student turnout at the Idaho 
game, just, the overall fan, 

571
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600
turn out, you know, the way they
were singing the National 

572
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,300
Anthem, the students were like, 
it was, it was an electric 

573
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,000
atmosphere for really a 
non-electric game. 

574
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,800
I'm that's what I'm most excited
about on Saturday. 

575
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,600
Is it? 
Feels like things are building 

576
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,700
much like the year I keep on 
Going back to is coming. 

577
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,300
It was Bench Apple's, senior 
year twenty twenty twelve or 

578
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,600
Twenty ten, I 2010, but that 
mystery that the Michigan game 

579
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,700
that you're talking about. 
We start of the season for it. 

580
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,100
Oh, and then we had that 
Michigan game with a Desmond, 

581
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:23,100
the shoelaces Desmond, Denard 
Robinson, did our Robinson. 

582
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:26,700
Yeah, and you know, he throws a 
obvious holding called. 

583
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,700
Anyway, we only go to the Litany
of IU, bad losses, but 

584
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:31,000
everything felt like it was 
building. 

585
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,100
Game and it was really an 
electric atmosphere. 

586
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:36,600
But there was a lot of Michigan 
fans there to, there were this, 

587
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,900
this does feel like it's going 
to be a lot of IU fans, a real 

588
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,700
moment. 
And you know, again, my biggest 

589
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,700
fear is that we have a game like
we had against Iowa, we can lose

590
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,400
this and we're not going to lose
fans like to me. 

591
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,300
One of the things that I'm just 
tired of talking about is like 

592
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:57,600
how this affects fan and tendons
like whatever we have our fans 

593
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,500
like they're going to show up 
and if we lose it's not like 

594
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,900
that's the end of the The world.
But it would just, it would be a

595
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:04,200
bad. 
Look at they come out and just 

596
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,600
get completely crushed. 
But no, I think this could be 

597
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,800
one of those moments where the 
fans can really make a 

598
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,100
difference. 
So I'm very excited to see that.

599
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,700
I'm excited to see the student 
section. 

600
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:18,200
I think it's going to be 
exciting and I'm I'm getting 

601
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,100
there early. 
I'll mention it again at the end

602
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,600
of the Pod, but I'm going to do 
one of my first little tailgates

603
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,600
and bringing both of my kids. 
So it's going to be a very 

604
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,400
friendly tailgate, but I have an
8 and 5 year old as many of you 

605
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,800
listen though. 
I bought four dozen donuts from 

606
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800
White. 
Those donuts here in Westfield. 

607
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,700
They're fantastic. 
I'm bringing them. 

608
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:36,800
I am in. 
I have $500 here. 

609
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,500
Gate 9. 
I just checked on StubHub. 

610
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,900
These are going for 500 apiece. 
I'm not selling it. 

611
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,000
But gate 9 Ro 40, space, 15 come
by. 

612
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Hang out with me. 
Get some doughnuts. 

613
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Get some coffee. 
We're leaving here by hopefully 

614
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
7:30, which means eight o'clock 
because I have kids. 

615
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,500
So I will be in the lot. 
Hopefully by 9:30 10:00 and I'll

616
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,000
get an hour of a handing out 
Donuts to anybody who wants 

617
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400
something kind of Scott's 
actively recruiting people away 

618
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,600
from my tailgate. 
Now, it's Andis. 

619
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,100
So, it is what it is. 
You can do both, you go to 

620
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:07,200
galen's to get the food and the 
good stuff. 

621
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,600
And then, on the way income, get
a doughnut. 

622
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,000
Okay. 
Well, we're going to take a 

623
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,800
little change in Direction here 
and switch over talk. 

624
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,600
A little IU basketball. 
We're going to come back and 

625
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,400
finish up our talk about IU 
football. 

626
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
If we were wrap things up. 
We've got Gracie Barra joining 

627
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,100
us from inside the hall and 
assembly call. 

628
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,300
And that whole conglomerate 
covering basketball this, you're

629
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,000
going to see you again. 
Thank you for having me. 

630
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,500
Yeah, absolutely. 
Let's, let's talk a little bit 

631
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:34,700
of hoosier Hoops. 
We're a ways away from the start

632
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,500
of the season, but the buzz is 
slowly starting to build. 

633
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:43,200
And, you know, as we as we think
about the fat, when is, when is 

634
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,500
the first practice of the 
season, it's not that far away. 

635
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:47,800
Is it? 
No, I think what mid-october 

636
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,300
media days coming up? 
Super soon. 

637
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:52,000
Big-time media day, Tyler and I 
just put it our credentials for 

638
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,300
that. 
So that's really exciting. 

639
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,300
Yeah. 
It's it's close. 

640
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:57,200
It's fascinating. 
How close it is. 

641
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,900
The teams had an interesting off
season so far. 

642
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,600
In a lot of ways, a lot of new 
pieces have been added not just 

643
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,600
in the coaching staff, but also 
on the on the roster itself. 

644
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:11,200
So as you look at this roster 
and where this team is at going 

645
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,300
into the season, where would you
say that? 

646
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,500
Everything's at? 
What are you most interested in 

647
00:30:15,508 --> 00:30:18,400
seeing as far as like, how it 
manifests going into the start 

648
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,000
of the year? 
I think. 

649
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,900
I think the most thing that I'm 
excited about is the chemistry, 

650
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,200
I, you know, we don't get to see
a whole lot especially because, 

651
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,000
you know, I didn't get to go to 
the Bahamas. 

652
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,100
Tyler was the one in the 
Bahamas, but I haven't gotten to

653
00:30:33,108 --> 00:30:37,000
see them play yet. 
Just the way they interact with 

654
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,800
each other. 
I don't see that in person a 

655
00:30:38,808 --> 00:30:43,500
whole lot but on social media 
and the way in which they care 

656
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,300
about each other, a little bit 
of like that Elio spirit that we

657
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,600
see on the football team. 
I'm saying to carry over into 

658
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,000
the basketball team, which is in
the three years. 

659
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,700
I've been a student here at IU. 
I haven't seen, right. 

660
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,300
So to see the way that that 
chemistry off the court will 

661
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:00,400
manifest in the way that they 
play on the chord is I what? 

662
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,700
I'm most excited. 
Cited about. 

663
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:04,600
It's one of the things Scott you
and I have talked about like 

664
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,700
there's been talented players on
this side, you roster for a 

665
00:31:07,708 --> 00:31:10,200
while like not just in the 
Archie Miller error, but the Tom

666
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,700
crean are. 
But gosh it's been hard to get a

667
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:20,000
feeling of familial loyalty and 
you know, that kind of the bonds

668
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,100
of being a team. 
It's always at least for the 

669
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:26,000
last, several years felt like 
guys are just kind of there to 

670
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,700
play ball. 
They're not really there for 

671
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,900
each other to the same degree 
that you would expect. 

672
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,900
I mean, it's I'm sure some of 
this is probably a little 

673
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,200
overblown, but it is 
interesting. 

674
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800
The camaraderie that we're 
seeing right now in some of 

675
00:31:37,808 --> 00:31:40,200
these things with IU. 
It just, it does feel like 

676
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,900
something has changed in the way
the program is conducting 

677
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,500
itself. 
You mean, you didn't feel 

678
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,200
camaraderie the year that like 
Devonte green, which is going in

679
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,700
Jack and threes, and it would 
get benched, and then come back 

680
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,400
out and Jack threes and play. 
A totally different style of 

681
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,100
asked if it was a different. 
It was a different era. 

682
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,600
You know, who's different? 
Yes, different. 

683
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,700
Are ya? 
Yes. 

684
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,300
No, I I like everything. 
I'm seeing and this goes back to

685
00:32:02,308 --> 00:32:04,000
his fun. 
I was having breakfast with a 

686
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,300
friend this morning. 
We're talking about, you know, 

687
00:32:06,308 --> 00:32:08,500
he was like, I've never been 
more excited for IU basketball 

688
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,500
like fire about. 
But what's in it and what we 

689
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,200
were talking about was I think 
this goes to the idea of you I 

690
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,400
was never a guy who felt like we
needed and I you guys a higher 

691
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,000
but now that we have Woodson and
you have five packet, it feels 

692
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,600
like yeah, this does feel right 
at this does feel good. 

693
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,600
And I think that has to push 
itself out on to the players, 

694
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,700
like there is a real camaraderie
here. 

695
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:32,300
If we understand what Indiana 
basketball, About and almost 

696
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:33,900
kind of like, we can circle the 
wagons. 

697
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,000
Like, I've been where you've 
been and we understand it, and I

698
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
think that that can't help but 
just bleed into the players and 

699
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,900
they have a different feel for, 
like, what they're playing for. 

700
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,100
It. 
Just changes a little bit than 

701
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:48,600
it used to underneath other 
coaches, where, you know, 

702
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,200
looking back. 
And again, when played a game 

703
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,500
yet. 
So we'll see when we start 

704
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:54,000
playing games and you'll get 
punched in the mouth. 

705
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,400
But, you know, there was always 
a feel that, you know, under the

706
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,900
under crean and under Archie, 
you know. 

707
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,900
No, there we were Indiana but we
were Indiana just in kind of 

708
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:05,700
name. 
Only like there wasn't like a 

709
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:07,900
real title. 
Like, oh, like that's the way we

710
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,900
play or like, it could have been
any other program. 

711
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:15,200
So, I think that the Indiana way
thing really does have an effect

712
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,200
on the players Grace, the 
schedule came out. 

713
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,700
I think, what was it last week, 
I've lost that last week 

714
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:22,300
already. 
I've lost girls, like, it's been

715
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,000
two months, the schedule came 
out recently, and it's an 

716
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200
interesting schedule because 
it's there's a lot of games at 

717
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,000
home in the non conference, 
which is held. 

718
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:35,600
For, but you go down that list 
and there's not a whole lot of 

719
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,500
really, really terrible tease. 
Those Tom crean specials, like, 

720
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:42,700
the sub 300 can pom teams, and 
you got, you know, Max school 

721
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:45,000
and Eastern Michigan to start, 
and he got Northern Illinois, 

722
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,700
another Max school. 
You got st. 

723
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:50,500
John's who's tricky as a big 
East school. 

724
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:52,500
They're certainly not in the 
upper echelon, but still a 

725
00:33:52,508 --> 00:33:55,900
decent team Louisiana who's 
always a bit of a problem, you 

726
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:58,500
know, and then Jackson State 
Marshall and then they play 

727
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,600
their first road game at 
Syracuse and then they got their

728
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,700
first two. 
Big ten games. 

729
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,800
I mean, on the one hand the 
schedule looks promising in some

730
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,500
ways. 
On the other hand. 

731
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:08,600
It's gonna be a little tricky 
and this team's going to have to

732
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,699
be ready to go pretty much from 
the start because there aren't a

733
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:14,600
whole lot of just complete throw
away games. 

734
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,800
There's no exhibitions. 
I guess there's just closed 

735
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,699
scrimmages. 
What was your impression of the 

736
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:20,900
schedule? 
Well, I think that's kind of 

737
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,199
playing to their advantage in 
that situation because you don't

738
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,800
get to come and start out the 
season. 

739
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,800
Easy. 
You have to come like you said, 

740
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,000
ready from the get-go and that 
prepares you coming into the 

741
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,300
Let's Play part of the schedule 
and you don't get to kind of 

742
00:34:34,308 --> 00:34:36,300
just put it on. 
I don't even know what to say. 

743
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,600
You don't get to autopilot it 
into the season. 

744
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,800
You don't have this exhibition 
games and you have to come ready

745
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,199
to play from the jump and kind 
of touching back on what Scott 

746
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:46,800
said. 
I love Tick Tock. 

747
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,100
I want to make a tick, tock 
reference here the situation of 

748
00:34:49,107 --> 00:34:51,500
back on Mike Woodson, which I 
think is hilarious. 

749
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,300
And I think it's really 
illustrates the way at these 

750
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,100
players look up to him and are 
going to be ready from. 

751
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,400
You know, the second that season
starts to play their hardest 

752
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,200
even in Conferences as so funny.
I saw it on Tik-Tok that someone

753
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,400
asked, Miller cop, who is 
favorite NBA player was and he 

754
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,300
replied like in a video and 
said, Mike, Woodson, no 

755
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,000
question. 
And there's no way Mike Woodson 

756
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,900
was ever his favorite NBA 
player. 

757
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
I don't know if anyone would 
answer that, that wasn't an IU 

758
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,800
fan, but it's amazing to see the
admiration they have for him and

759
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,100
the respect they have for him 
and just the way they've all 

760
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,300
kind of rallied around him. 
Not just the current players on 

761
00:35:29,308 --> 00:35:33,400
this team, but his recruits 
people that have Mitted and it's

762
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,000
promising. 
Like when you said going into 

763
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,400
this season, that they're not 
going to have those parts where 

764
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,000
they can kind of let off the 
gas. 

765
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,400
Right? 
Well and I think what you hit on

766
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,500
something important, which is 
one of the problems that NBA 

767
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
coaches have coming to college, 
is they tend to autopilot 

768
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,500
everything we've seen that over 
and over again where that's 

769
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,400
Eddie Jordan at Rutgers or Chris
Mullin at st. 

770
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,500
John's or some others. 
And Woodson hasn't seemed to do 

771
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,000
that like he's out recruiting. 
He's doing those things, but he 

772
00:36:02,008 --> 00:36:06,400
really has seemed to buy into 
this whole idea of fostering a 

773
00:36:06,408 --> 00:36:12,100
program in an image of what he 
was here with as a player and 

774
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,000
but augmented with what he's 
learned through his time in the 

775
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,900
NBA. 
And so I am really fascinated to

776
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:19,400
see how that plays out. 
And it does at least for the 

777
00:36:19,408 --> 00:36:22,300
moment seemed like there's some 
pretty good vibes around this 

778
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,700
program and that's that's such a
huge difference from what we've 

779
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,500
seen the last several years that
I've had. 

780
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,900
I am excited about that. 
Let me ask you this. 

781
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:30,900
I will get you out of here on 
this. 

782
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:34,600
Question, it's I can't figure 
out who is starting lineups 

783
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,500
necessarily going to be on this 
team at this point. 

784
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,300
Like if anyone has several 
directions, you've got guys who 

785
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,600
started a lot of games not even 
getting mentioned is like second

786
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,100
stringers in some cases. 
So outside of Trace Jackson 

787
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:50,500
Davis, which is kind of a given.
Who would you guess would be the

788
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,200
four other players that comprise
the starting lineup when we 

789
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,300
start the season? 
What I mean, do you want to 

790
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,600
Foster? 
Some kind of an opinion on this?

791
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,300
Oh, this is a tough question 
because I haven't even put much 

792
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,500
thought into it. 
Yet, I think, you know this next

793
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,400
month is going to be really 
telling to that and seeing how 

794
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200
the new faces coming into this 
program are going to mesh with 

795
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,500
the old ones. 
But oh, now you're going to put 

796
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:14,200
me on the spot. 
I won't necessarily put you on 

797
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,400
the spot, but think I can just 
it's probably not even be five 

798
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,700
guys. 
When I say more than five guys, 

799
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,400
I think race in his, what? 
Senior season. 

800
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,400
Now, I can't believe that gets 
crazy times leadership. 

801
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,400
Really showed out last season. 
Xavier Johnson. 

802
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,100
I feel like half To be in that 
starting lineup. 

803
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,700
I haven't seen him play a whole 
lot. 

804
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,200
But I don't know. 
Just the leadership there in the

805
00:37:37,207 --> 00:37:39,700
guard position. 
Is something that I you hasn't 

806
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:45,000
typically had his strong guards,
you know, that's tricky too 

807
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
because then you have Rob there 
as a senior and then you got 

808
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
competition, the Johnson. 
I mean there's a lot of 

809
00:37:50,008 --> 00:37:52,900
different. 
The this is ice to some degree. 

810
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:56,800
I asked the question because 
every time I sit down and think 

811
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
about a piece of paper, there 
are so many different 

812
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,700
combinations. 
Actions and without knowing what

813
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:05,700
Woodson is planning from a 
strategic perspective. 

814
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,500
It's really hard to get a full 
sense of like, what is his 

815
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,600
offense going to be? 
We don't know yet, exactly. 

816
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,400
So a lot to work on here in the 
next month or so and I'm quite 

817
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,100
curious to see how it goes. 
But we'll see. 

818
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,100
The good thing is there's depth 
because if we're struggling 

819
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,600
right now to sit here and think 
about who are the Five Guys, 

820
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,700
he's going to put out on the 
court. 

821
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,700
The first game of the season 
that's a good problem to have 

822
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,700
it. 
Is your bench is your bench is 

823
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,800
good to go. 
We'll have a lot more 

824
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,100
conversations on. 
This is Through the next couple 

825
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,400
of weeks. 
And as we get ready for that 

826
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600
first game, which I think is the
9th of November, first game of 

827
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,100
the season against each other, 
than we think. 

828
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,200
I know it's coming up. 
Its that is obviously less than 

829
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,500
two months away at this point, 
but we're rapidly get to the 

830
00:38:43,508 --> 00:38:45,800
point where it's only a month 
away, and that's going to be 

831
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
really interesting. 
Anyway, Gracie Barra. 

832
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:50,200
Thank you for joining us, as 
always. 

833
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,000
We'll talk to you again soon. 
Scott, little, we're going to 

834
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,100
talk schedule as well. 
When you looked at the schedule,

835
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:58,600
you had a different opinion than
I did. 

836
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600
I looked at it and I said, I 
think something like What was I 

837
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,700
22 and nine or something like 
that? 

838
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,800
I forget the exact number, but I
I was like 11 and 9 in the 

839
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,100
conference or something along 
those lines. 22. 

840
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:11,500
And ten, I think is my overall 
record. 

841
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:13,900
You were a little more 
pessimistic if I'm not mistaken.

842
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Yeah. 
I've not done the full like what

843
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,700
my records going to be call out 
yet. 

844
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:21,700
I will spend a weekend do that. 
I mean, they did two things. 

845
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:24,400
When I look at the schedules, 
first off, like I sort of 

846
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,100
looking at it. 
Scheduled. 

847
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:27,100
I was like, Hey, Bloomington 
Bloomington Wilmington 

848
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,100
Bloomington. 
Yeah, we had a Syracuse schedule

849
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,500
and then it's like, the next 
game on the road is Your cues 

850
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:33,600
like God's Great. 
Like that's we have the, we're 

851
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,900
playing the Syracuse schedule. 
Our Only Hope Road game at 

852
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:40,300
Syracuse, but, you know, in a, 
it's an interesting complement 

853
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,400
to the IU football, discussion 
that the IU basketball schedule 

854
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,400
is, kind of the reverse of the 
football schedule, where, you 

855
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,800
know, you look at the back, half
of this schedule. 

856
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:52,000
We have a back-to-back home game
against Purdue and Michigan on 

857
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,900
the 20th and 23rd of January. 
From that point on, we don't 

858
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:58,200
have back-to-back home games, 
the rest of the year, and our 

859
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,800
road games in the Big Ten are at
me. 

860
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,500
Maryland at Northwestern, okay, 
but at Michigan State at Ohio, 

861
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,700
State at Minnesota, at Purdue, 
you know, and again, you can 

862
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,900
look at however, you the 
positive way to look at this is 

863
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,300
this is a team that needs to 
kind of get on a roll. 

864
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,400
And I think if they can get a 
little bit of momentum and get a

865
00:40:19,408 --> 00:40:22,500
nice record and kind of get some
gel you're playing together with

866
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,300
a new coach kind of everyone 
understanding their roles. 

867
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:30,300
This is a you know, as a fan 
base, I could see people really 

868
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,200
latching on. 
Is team and if they come out of 

869
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,700
the gate, just kind of getting 
their way and figuring it out. 

870
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:38,300
But getting some W's along the 
way I do think that this is a 

871
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:41,700
team where, you know, we could 
come into some of those home 

872
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:45,600
games in, you know, February 
against Illinois or Wisconsin, 

873
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,700
or Maryland and really make a 
big difference. 

874
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,700
So, II have not done the full 
schedule breakdown, but I just I

875
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,600
love the fact that we basically 
play two Road games in 2020 

876
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,800
making, we're out of Indiana 
twice in the rest of the year. 

877
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:03,500
As you can see here, he used to 
play with gotten the rest of the

878
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,200
games were in the state of 
Indiana for 2021. 

879
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,100
As you told me very Bay Haim 
like schedule, like just never 

880
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,100
leaving the state and just just 
you know, playing everybody at 

881
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,300
home. 
It's a good stew. 

882
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:14,700
Way to go these days. 
You might as well. 

883
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
I will say this. 
I think that one thing you hit 

884
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,900
upon there is a big key much 
like Indiana last year in 

885
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,000
football, where they won those 
early games. 

886
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,600
And got everybody really 
excited. 

887
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,900
If I, you can go on a run, if 
they can go eight and one in 

888
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,800
their first nine, or if they 
could go. 

889
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Like one loss in the 
non-conference. 

890
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,900
I think the hype machine will be
in full effect is particularly 

891
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:39,800
with the students, but I think 
especially like just with the 

892
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,400
fan base in general the in a lot
of sports and we talked about 

893
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,500
this with football last year. 
We talked about a little bit 

894
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,700
this year. 
So much of sports is belief and 

895
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:55,000
being able to play games and win
games and have people believe in

896
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,900
what you're doing and have the 
team believe in what they're 

897
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,800
doing is such a key element of 
things. 

898
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,800
And that's the one last thing. 
I'm not totally sure about with 

899
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,600
Woodson is We easily and how 
well can you Galvanize his team 

900
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,400
to believe in what they're doing
and if he can do that and if he 

901
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,600
gets the fans behind him, early 
kind of the sky's the limit on 

902
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,400
things and because I think it's 
a talented IU team. 

903
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,100
It it's is it going to win the 
Big Ten this year? 

904
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,900
No, but could it compete for the
top four or five spots? 

905
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,200
Yeah, I think actually it could.
So let's keep an eye on that, 

906
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,100
see what happens. 
But when and there's a real 

907
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:29,600
world, I mean this is not a 
logical and again, I'm I'm 

908
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,700
always reminding people. 
Like let's not give every single

909
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,200
player the The best possible 
outcome. 

910
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,400
It's like not. 
Everyone's going to have the 

911
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,900
best offseason to become the 
best version of themselves. 

912
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:41,900
I think we get into that a 
little bit in the offseason. 

913
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,900
That said you could have guys, 
good and bad. 

914
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:48,900
You could be literally ate know 
going into that game at 

915
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,700
Wisconsin on December 8th. 
Like it's not illogical to think

916
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,300
that and you lose you, let's 
just say you lose it Wisconsin 

917
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,400
which Indiana has a but great 
propensity. 

918
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,200
We do in the last 30 taka. 
Is there some kind of rule that 

919
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,600
IU has to play at Wisconsin? 
In December, like of all out? 

920
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:07,300
Like there's only two games. 
You play in Big, Ten play in 

921
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:09,400
December and Indiana in the four
years. 

922
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,900
They've done this will have play
that Wisconsin twice. 

923
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:15,500
Like what is going on that mean 
anyway, sorry, go ahead. 

924
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:18,400
No, like in return. 
Can we at least trigger warning 

925
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,900
football? 
Yeah, Haley's paranoid Football.

926
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:25,100
Let's just give us a win 
somewhere else, Nebraska, please

927
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,500
like, you know this point God, 
you know, it's just disgusting 

928
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,200
anyway sports, but you know, if 
you lose that game trigger 

929
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,500
warning for Galen, but you could
Then theoretically win your next

930
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,400
6 and B. 
If I got it, right 14 and one 

931
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,600
going into that home game 
against Ohio State, January 6, 

932
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,800
and much like a joke with 
Michigan football like they're 

933
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,700
going to be 7 and 1 and not be 
any good. 

934
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,700
I'm not sure how good in Indiana
is not going to be a top ten 

935
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,200
team, but they'll be 14. 
And 1 & 2. 

936
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Both of our points. 
You're going to have as fired up

937
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,800
student section. 
You're going to have it in DS, 

938
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,100
14 and 1 or in 13 and to going 
into a home, you know, home and 

939
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,100
home against Ohio State and 
Minnesota on a Thursday and a 

940
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,900
Sunday. 
Assembly Hall is going to be 

941
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:06,700
rocking in those early January 
days. 

942
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:09,900
So that's and then you can get 
some momentum and you can kind 

943
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:14,200
of keep pushing that forward. 
So yeah, getting 14 wins by 

944
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,600
January 6. 
Could you know, that's going to 

945
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,200
be a very cool place to be. 
We're live here at switchyard 

946
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,800
Brewing Company like to thank 
the folks at switchyard Curtis 

947
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,000
and Dave everybody hears help to
set this up. 

948
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,400
We're having a great time up 
here. 

949
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,800
Be sure to stop by next week. 
Again. 

950
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,600
As I mentioned we're going to be
live here. 

951
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,500
The entire Western, Kentucky 
game will do a pregame halftime.

952
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,200
Postgame wrap-up will be here to
watch the game. 

953
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,900
You should come join us. 
It'll be a lot of fun. 

954
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,400
We'd love to have you here. 
And then we're hoping to come 

955
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,000
back and do some of these 
Thursday night pre-games 

956
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000
throughout the course of the 
football season, and then we'll 

957
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,200
see what happens with basketball
little weirder schedule with 

958
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,600
basketball, but we do enjoy 
coming down here and hopefully, 

959
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,000
you'll all get a chance to do 
so, as well. 

960
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,900
And if you're not in 
Bloomington, the next time you 

961
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:02,100
come to Bloomington stop by 
switchyard Brewing, Company, get

962
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,600
yourself some good food, some 
good. 

963
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,800
Beer, it's a good place to be. 
We got Matt Cohen. 

964
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,900
Will Galen. 
We're tailing away real quick. 

965
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,100
What is your what is your beer 
review? 

966
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,800
Give us what you're drinking and
like wow, this is a real quick. 

967
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,300
Beer review why I'm doing. 
I'm having the orange blossom 

968
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:19,800
blond here. 
As I do the podcast, always a 

969
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,500
big thumbs up. 
It's a nice easy drinking 

970
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,300
orange. 
What? 

971
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,100
What is it? 
A what Blossom of orange? 

972
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:30,600
Thank you, gentlemen, I 
appreciate that. 

973
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,000
But I would still Eiffel. 
The Just came out and I haven't 

974
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,200
had a chance to have any yet, 
but I'm very much looking 

975
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,300
forward to it. 
What did you have? 

976
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,400
Matt? 
Wait, there you go. 

977
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,800
Have you? 
Hello there, die. 

978
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,400
I am happy to comment on 
switchyard br-2 and I got a obb 

979
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,500
also. 
It's one of the best bits out 

980
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:52,000
there and you know, the 
Oktoberfest is great too. 

981
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,500
I have had that a few times. 
I think I've experimented with 

982
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,400
and this the project gratitude a
lot. 

983
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,600
That was great. 
Very good. 

984
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,300
I miss that. 
You have a favorite though. 

985
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,900
That isn't hasta. 
It's the Hopscotch coffee and 

986
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:04,900
it's not here at the moment. 
That is oh Okay, that's a tasty 

987
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:06,300
one. 
There's there's there's so many 

988
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:11,800
really good ones that they have 
in the mix and so definitely if 

989
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:13,700
they're all good. 
Like everyone that I've had has 

990
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,200
been good so far Scott, so 
that's that's my review. 

991
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,300
Well, I would say we have a lot 
of good student media here. 

992
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:21,300
I would say somebody there's an 
article here. 

993
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Let's do an SP plus rankings of 
all the switchyard beers and get

994
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,900
that posted some done. 
Indeed tremendous that, but 

995
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:32,400
throw that out there that on 
your darker, Scott. 

996
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Car. 
Hi. 

997
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:38,000
I'll pitch it to Zach's Vision 
that you know, hey, if we're if 

998
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,800
we're if you're doing stories on
bleachers getting ripped out of 

999
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,700
Memorial Stadium, surely this 
that's that's just as good a 

1000
00:46:43,707 --> 00:46:46,000
Content. 
Anyway, Matt Cohen joining us. 

1001
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,900
Matt is riding for the Indy star
now, but if you read any of the 

1002
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:52,500
coverage from the Indiana Daily 
student last year about covid, 

1003
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:54,600
he was the lead reporter on all 
that. 

1004
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,800
Did a tremendous job. 
He's covered pretty much every 

1005
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,400
major sport here at IU. 
It's great to have you once 

1006
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,000
again my friend, how you doing 
doing great. 

1007
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,600
It's good to be here that you 
know, I can You know, the opp 

1008
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,500
before coming on the pods. 
I was a good way to start off. 

1009
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:09,100
Absolutely. 
You gotta gotta calm the nerves 

1010
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,300
a little bit. 
You know, I think it's an 

1011
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:12,700
important part of podcasting. 
You got to kind of just chill 

1012
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:15,400
what exactly you're good. 
So let's talk first about the 

1013
00:47:15,408 --> 00:47:16,900
story. 
You wrote this week. 

1014
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,200
There was an incident that 
occurred in the Idaho game and I

1015
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,400
was sitting only a couple of 
sections over from it. 

1016
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,700
You know, I look over at one 
point. 

1017
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:25,000
I think it was the second 
quarter. 

1018
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:31,100
Yeah, and there's a large metal 
bleacher being carried like down

1019
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,200
the crowd and it ends up down in
the tunnel and then Taking it 

1020
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,300
out and all that. 
And you, you saw this from the 

1021
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:39,200
Press Box, or like, what is 
going on here. 

1022
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,900
So you go in and you discover a 
much larger story than what you 

1023
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:44,600
expected to. 
Once you dive into that a little

1024
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,600
bit for us. 
So I saw the bleacher being 

1025
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,700
carried down. 
I was myself and the Griffin 

1026
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,400
Gonzalez from the Hoosier 
Network, both caught on to it 

1027
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,700
pretty quickly. 
He tweeted about it. 

1028
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:55,300
I saw his tweet and then I saw 
it kind of happening at the same

1029
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:58,300
time. 
And my immediate thought was 

1030
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:02,200
what the hell is going on right 
now, which often happens during 

1031
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,100
IU home game for anyway, Go 
ahead. 

1032
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,700
And I you know, my immediate 
thought was like did they, you 

1033
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:10,500
know, steal a bleacher? 
Like how do you steal lie to? 

1034
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,200
Someone has one someone already 
leaving? 

1035
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,200
It's the first quarter. 
Like is a people already leaving

1036
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,600
the game too. 
How do you steal a bleacher like

1037
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,800
three? 
Are we passing it around our, we

1038
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,500
all stealing it? 
How are you going to get past 

1039
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,400
security guard in the ushers 
that are out the gate? 

1040
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,600
And I really wanted some like 
bleacher Heist tail. 

1041
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,400
That's what I really wanted. 
That's not what I got a caper. 

1042
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:34,900
All right, and I thought, 
Getting that we did not get 

1043
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:36,800
that. 
But it turns out that the 

1044
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Memorial Stadium, they have have
some of the least supportive 

1045
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,100
bleachers ever there and, you 
know, their Breakaway bleep. 

1046
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:45,700
Yeah, like Breakaway rims. 
It's same sort of deal anything.

1047
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:50,700
Go on the bleachers that like 
everyone is the same story with 

1048
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:52,500
everyone. 
So I put out at we kind of 

1049
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:55,500
asking for people to like, you 
know, to like DM me or send me, 

1050
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:57,000
you know, your bleach, your 
story. 

1051
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,700
If you, you know, we're around 
that at the time, was I thought 

1052
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:01,300
it was just a one-night 
incident. 

1053
00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:03,600
Did you ask them for a Bleacher 
Report? 

1054
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:04,500
Art, Sarah. 
Sorry. 

1055
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:05,500
Go on. 
That was crying. 

1056
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:08,400
It's okay. 
Come on. 

1057
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,600
I do have two. 
I do have to give credit Griffin

1058
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,300
told me that when I was turning 
doing the story. 

1059
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:13,600
That was the headline I had to 
use. 

1060
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,900
Yeah, I did not end up using it.
However, I have to think there 

1061
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,200
might have been a trademark 
issue there. 

1062
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,700
Yeah. 
Yeah, there's probably some 

1063
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:24,700
legal issues, you know, and the 
so I got just a flooded with the

1064
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:25,700
ABS. 
I wasn't expecting it. 

1065
00:49:25,707 --> 00:49:29,100
But as people just over Decades 
of IU students, that all had the

1066
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,200
shares the same shared 
experience of the jumped up 

1067
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,500
celebrating, man, the bleach. 
And boom. 

1068
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,100
It was gone. 
And then instead, their 

1069
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:40,000
immediate thought of is not. 
Oh, I'm in pain because my head 

1070
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,300
just fell on concrete, but it's,
let's lift. 

1071
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,300
This dang thing up and carry it 
around the stadium and see what 

1072
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:49,300
happens, one person, who was at 
the Ohio State game in 2015. 

1073
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,400
It's again that I do not 
personally remember where I 

1074
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,000
don't know if I watched that 
game, but there was I think 

1075
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,500
there are saying something like 
Zander, the Ahmad have like a 79

1076
00:49:56,500 --> 00:50:00,600
yard, touchdown run in the 
fourth quarter and they saw just

1077
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,900
like six or seven bleachers, all
being lifted around the ATM 

1078
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,500
different parts, and then they 
landed on their own bleacher 

1079
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,600
jumping and celebrating and 
there's cracked and they left it

1080
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,200
up to and they crowd surfed it. 
And they tried to actually they 

1081
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,100
try to legitimately steal it and
they I do not think we're so 

1082
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,700
poor at the time and they're and
they're always, I mean, it's an 

1083
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:21,000
IU football. 
You can probably shouldn't be 

1084
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,600
sober for going in there and 
they they, they're brilliant 

1085
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,700
plan was that they would pick up
this bleacher and not take it 

1086
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:29,800
through the gate because there'd
be a security guard there, that 

1087
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,000
would take it from them, and 
instead they would pick it up, 

1088
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,800
have to And leave the stadium, 
clear some area outside the 

1089
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,000
stadium walk up to the top of 
the student section and Chuck it

1090
00:50:39,008 --> 00:50:40,500
over the side out of the 
stadium. 

1091
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,600
That seems like it was a more 
noticeable idea to me. 

1092
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,900
I mean, it's well thought out it
work. 

1093
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:48,400
It did not work. 
They did not even get the 

1094
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,000
bleacher off the ground again 
and bring it over. 

1095
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,100
Okay, the security guards tuck 
it there's been II. 

1096
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,500
Ask everyone that I talk to you 
for this. 

1097
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:58,800
Did you get any souvenirs and it
was a consistent photos and 

1098
00:50:58,808 --> 00:51:01,500
memories but there was no 
physical like nuts and bolts or 

1099
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:03,500
anything but to take might be 
for the best. 

1100
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,900
Yeah, because again unless 
you've got a truck. 

1101
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:07,400
I don't know how you're getting 
that figured out. 

1102
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,700
You might be. 
So things are heavy. 

1103
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,500
Strap it to the roof of your 
Corolla or something, but it's 

1104
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:15,100
probably not happening. 
It's interesting, though, 

1105
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:17,900
because it is, it is a 
consistent thing over time. 

1106
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,300
I've never ripped a bleacher out
or anything, but I've seen 

1107
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:24,000
things in Memorial Stadium along
those lines. 

1108
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,100
So it was just fun kind of 
watching that whole thing, 

1109
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:30,400
started Soph over again. 
And, you know, if you're a 15 

1110
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,100
year old and you're thinking of 
coming to IU, this is a good 

1111
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,000
reason to Because you might end 
up with your own. 

1112
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,200
Like I landed on a bleacher and 
then carried it out of the 

1113
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,800
stadium story. 
On top of that. 

1114
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:41,400
They don't get new bleachers. 
It's the same bleats there. 

1115
00:51:41,408 --> 00:51:44,800
Yeah, they just welding. 
Weld it back down again, which 

1116
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,000
are, you know, I mean points for
like, you know ecological Kanye 

1117
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,500
Justin see like you want that? 
Let's recycle as much as 

1118
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,500
possible. 
But yeah, the problems are going

1119
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:56,000
to sustain. 
I don't think that right. 

1120
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,700
So I just want to know how I 
want to know. 

1121
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:00,100
I wasn't able to figure this out
or have the time to ask about 

1122
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,000
it, but I want to know like what
percentage of bleachers in the 

1123
00:52:02,008 --> 00:52:03,500
stadium have been had to be 
replaced. 

1124
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,000
Laced or replaced in air quotes 
because that's the same 

1125
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,600
bleachers, but probably every 
single one in the student 

1126
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,800
section hobbling, over the 
course of the last 30 years. 

1127
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,400
Because that student section 
hasn't moved. 

1128
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,500
Yeah. 
In the, since I was a student, 

1129
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,200
at least, the stadium least on, 
on the, on the side, on the east

1130
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,800
and west sides, haven't changed 
and Scott, it's Scott. 

1131
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,200
Have you ever did you ever break
a bleacher at Memorial Stadium? 

1132
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,500
If you carried any metal out of 
the stadium, I have I have not 

1133
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:32,600
but I love the story of the 
people trying to flip it over 

1134
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,600
the top. 
Was my thought as you're talking

1135
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,200
about it was like as Matt was 
saying, like that's how I'd get 

1136
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,600
it out of there is just showing 
it over the top and then just, 

1137
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,200
you know, hope for good luck, 
but it is. 

1138
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,400
It's an interesting, you know, 
for as much history as IU has 

1139
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,300
with its facilities, and it may 
be like, Memorial Stadium. 

1140
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,600
Assembly Hall, like it's 
interesting, the IU facilities 

1141
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,100
set up where I forget who did 
the story, but wasn't it a 

1142
00:52:57,107 --> 00:53:00,600
couple years ago that the, the 
basketball goals that were like 

1143
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,400
the iconic bob Knight goals, 
kind of had the weird. 

1144
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,700
Arch in the back and they like 
they were just like rotting out 

1145
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,800
in a field somewhere and I think
like, didn't Greg Boyle. 

1146
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,600
Try and find the chair that 
night shock didn't like they 

1147
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,300
can't find that. 
It's like there's a lot of 

1148
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,900
historical things are just kind 
of like there. 

1149
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:20,200
And like I mean, we're well, 
it's all building stuff. 

1150
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,000
Well, hold on, hold on, like if 
you saw the scenario like 

1151
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,000
somebody tweeted yet, 
double-decker bus yesterday, but

1152
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,600
the double-decker bus, which is 
indeed sitting on off of 

1153
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,300
Indiana, 43 after no one County.
There's also Well, if you go 

1154
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:38,700
toward Monroe Lake there is if 
you go out that direction. 

1155
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:39,600
Yeah, I don't know what street 
is. 

1156
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:41,600
There's an old IU football 
equipment Truck. 

1157
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:42,500
Yeah. 
Sitting in a few years. 

1158
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,200
I can tell you exactly where 
that is. 

1159
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,200
That is at the corner of Harrell
Road and Moffat. 

1160
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,000
So if you go down, if you go 
down Harrell, which this is deep

1161
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,200
like little 500, practice wide 
territory. 

1162
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,100
But yeah, there's a bus just 
sitting out there. 

1163
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:57,700
I forget. 
What's that? 

1164
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:59,500
Little town called down their 
names? 

1165
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:01,100
Like Smith know, something like 
that? 

1166
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,000
No. 
No, we talked about where the 

1167
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,400
equipment. 
Buses off the road, either South

1168
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,700
it like a White House. 
On the west part of the county. 

1169
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:09,600
Is it? 
I think a Smithville name of the

1170
00:54:09,607 --> 00:54:13,000
town. 
But Smith is all like the 

1171
00:54:13,008 --> 00:54:16,900
sandals Dolan or something like 
that Dolan's East. 

1172
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,100
We'll figure it out. 
This is, this is great great 

1173
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,200
video for the folks that are 
watching at home. 

1174
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,300
But anyway, point being you're 
right, Scott. 

1175
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:28,400
There's a bunch of I you 
Memorabilia, I guess. 

1176
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,800
I don't know. 
Buses memorabilia, exactly. 

1177
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,900
But there's a bunch of that 
stuff just kind of out in the 

1178
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:36,100
community and it's almost like 
it's like a, it's like a 

1179
00:54:36,107 --> 00:54:39,500
scavenger hunt to some degree. 
Like if you'll be driving 

1180
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,600
through Monroe County or some of
the surrounding areas. 

1181
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,000
You'll find something there that
you're surprised about anyone 

1182
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:47,300
and, and Shout out and shout out
to the IU Surplus. 

1183
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:48,900
I don't know what other 
universities do that. 

1184
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:50,600
Maybe they all do, but it's just
odd to me. 

1185
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,600
I love going to the Surplus 
Store. 

1186
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,900
The IU surplus store, or I 
follow their Facebook page. 

1187
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:58,300
I think I bought A game used 
helmet there. 

1188
00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:59,600
They had a bunch of them, you go
there. 

1189
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Now. 
They have just jerseys and you 

1190
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,700
just tons of football jerseys. 
And at one point last year. 

1191
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:07,800
They were selling one of the, 
you know, if you again, the bob 

1192
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,200
Knight era, the Big Score boards
that were above the bleachers, 

1193
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,000
they were selling one of those 
and I mean, I would have bid on 

1194
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,600
it. 
If I had anywhere to put like a 

1195
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,000
50 foot by 20 foot scoreboard, 
but I'm like, put it. 

1196
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,100
That's awesome. 
But put it up having Warehouse. 

1197
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:25,800
What are you doing? 
I mean, you Brian Cardinal lives

1198
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,000
in your neighborhood. 
Like point it in his Direction. 

1199
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,300
No way. 
No way the city. 

1200
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:33,100
I was the town. 
I was thinking of The name is 

1201
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,700
Handy. 
Just just. 

1202
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:39,900
Yeah, so it's, it's right there 
Moffat and, and Harrell Road, 

1203
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:42,300
the the village of Handy, 
Indiana. 

1204
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,600
I mean, and I would and, and I 
would add to that top of all of 

1205
00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:46,600
that. 
Like, even, you know, on campus.

1206
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,200
Like I think the, you know, I 
think one of the few things that

1207
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,800
was done correctly in the IMU 
renovation was, they brought 

1208
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,200
back a ton of really cool 
artifacts and like the original.

1209
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,700
I am. 
You like the initial? 

1210
00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:02,000
I am you sign is now in there 
now, it's less like BP or 

1211
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,900
photos. 
But now cool old photos of 

1212
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:06,300
Campus. 
I just, that's all I mean, even 

1213
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:07,700
on Sports is all really cool 
stuff. 

1214
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:09,500
Do you not like the IMU, 
Renovations? 

1215
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,600
Okay, so I know it's what has 
been added now. 

1216
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,000
Let's take it in and take bit 
that I have that. 

1217
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,500
I am very anti GrubHub right 
now, but that's a whole 

1218
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:18,400
different thing. 
I'm just looking forward to the 

1219
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,000
pub opening up, whatever, that's
going to be called The Vault, I 

1220
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,200
think. 
Anyway, quick thoughts on the 

1221
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,200
game, this weekend. 
What does I you have to do to 

1222
00:56:27,207 --> 00:56:29,600
win this game? 
I think Michael Penance has to 

1223
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,300
prove that he is the same guy 
that he was. 

1224
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,200
In the past. 
And he's not, I mean, at some 

1225
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,200
point has been something that, 
obviously, it's all speculation 

1226
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,600
and talk about this, but at some
point when due to ACL injuries, 

1227
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,200
catch up to you. 
And it's, you know, I don't, 

1228
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,900
it's, he has not look like the 
same guy to this point this 

1229
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:46,800
season. 
He's definitely has a lot of you

1230
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,800
seen him kind of overthrow. 
A lot of people with a lot of 

1231
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:51,600
his throwing motion, kind of led
to a lot of off-target throws. 

1232
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:54,800
I do Wonder to an extent, you 
know, we've asked them a lot 

1233
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,900
about. 
This is the thing that's, on my 

1234
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:57,000
mind. 
I've been trying to kind of pick

1235
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,900
his brain on it, but he won't 
talk about it is, are you 

1236
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,100
concerned about it? 
And I don't mean, I wouldn't 

1237
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,000
blame the guy if he was 
concerned about it. 

1238
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,300
I have assumed he would like to 
walk for the rest of his life. 

1239
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,300
Like and if he's torn both of 
his ACL and already had pretty 

1240
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:11,600
his such, a previous injury 
history, three season-ending 

1241
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,600
injuries. 
Like that's I don't know how you

1242
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,300
push that off out of your mind. 
Yeah. 

1243
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,900
No. 
And you can't replicate that in 

1244
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:18,700
practice. 
It's a tough one. 

1245
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:24,300
It really is. 
And I guess I'm not, I am with 

1246
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,900
you most of the way and I, this 
has become the narrative. 

1247
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:29,600
I'm just, I'm still not a 
hundred percent certain that 

1248
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,400
it's just penix his confidence 
level. 

1249
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,800
And that's the one thing that I 
have in the back of my head 

1250
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,000
because if it's, if it's a 
combination of that and 

1251
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,500
offensive line issues and play 
calling was all a disaster, 

1252
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,700
right? 
All of those things are 

1253
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:46,000
problematic. 
So I do think sometimes we have 

1254
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,800
a tendency to Lop too much on to
penix. 

1255
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,900
Certainly, he's a key and when 
he looks good, I you looks good.

1256
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:58,100
But I do wonder sometimes what 
he looks bad if it's penix 

1257
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,300
alone, or if there's more to it.
And so, that's the one thing. 

1258
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,200
I'm kind of curious about as we 
move into this. 

1259
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,600
I think we'll find out this 
weekend. 

1260
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,400
There's something. 
I mean, I don't think that this 

1261
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,600
is the end all. 
Be all like is paddocks the say 

1262
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,100
ever? 
See not the same, right? 

1263
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:11,400
But this will be a big step 
toward it. 

1264
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,800
Yeah, Matt Cohen from the Indy 
star. 

1265
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,500
Thanks for joining us. 
Thank you for having a lot of 

1266
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:16,300
fun. 
Thank you. 

1267
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,100
So Scott, as we wrap up, I 
guess, one thing I want to say, 

1268
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:25,800
before we finish up. 
I'm really excited about this 

1269
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,300
game like in general. 
And here's why I say that 

1270
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:33,400
because this is a rarity. 
So have I, you they're not 

1271
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,000
ranked but they're close to 
rank. 

1272
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000
They were ranked at the start of
the season to have a highly 

1273
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,300
ranked team that everybody 
respects. 

1274
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,200
A lot of people look at as a 
potential playoff team coming in

1275
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,800
to a packed at Memorial Stadium.
Like, that's a big deal. 

1276
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,200
And, you know, I'm really 
excited about the atmosphere 

1277
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,400
that we get leading into the 
game on Saturday. 

1278
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,100
I'm excited about the game 
itself and I almost feel like 

1279
00:58:56,500 --> 00:59:00,500
people have gotten a little too 
tied up in the is Indiana good 

1280
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:01,100
or not. 
Good. 

1281
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:03,300
Like They're good enough that 
they're they've got a chance to 

1282
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:06,900
be competitive in this game. 
They're not 15 or 20 point 

1283
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:10,800
Underdog to a top 10 team. 
There are essentially a three 

1284
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,300
and a half Point Underdog at 
home to a top 10 team. 

1285
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:16,200
This is an exciting set of 
circumstances that we've got 

1286
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,700
coming in for this game. 
And I hope that regardless of 

1287
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,500
how it turns out. 
I hope people will, at the very 

1288
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,300
least, enjoy the atmosphere that
comes from having a really 

1289
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:30,100
highly ranked team, come in here
and have and, you know, have 

1290
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:33,200
them playing Indiana team. 
That's A lot of talent that a 

1291
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,600
lot of people thought was a top 
10 top 15, maybe caliber team 

1292
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,100
coming into the season. 
Like we just we haven't had that

1293
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,800
Confluence of events in a while.
Yeah, I mean, when was the last 

1294
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,300
time a top 10 team came in and 
wasn't a, was it down or more 

1295
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:52,200
favorite and wasn't Ohio State? 
Yeah, fair enough, but I think 

1296
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,200
that the thing has been mental 
times, like Matt just said it, 

1297
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,800
you know, tomorrow's a real kind
of a Bellwether test to wear 

1298
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,700
this team, isn't it? 
When you look at the schedule, 

1299
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,200
you know, this it is really one 
of the last test we're going to 

1300
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,200
have for a while because you 
know the rest of the games. 

1301
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,700
If you kind of lumpy in a 
western Kentucky, Michigan 

1302
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:12,300
State, Maryland and kind of like
they should win games and the 

1303
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,000
you know, Penn State, Ohio State
Games as they're probably not 

1304
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
going to win games, you know, 
from here on out. 

1305
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,500
It's kind of like the either you
do something. 

1306
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:22,000
We're really not expecting or 
they need to stub, their toe, 

1307
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,300
along the way up until you get 
to that Michigan game or even 

1308
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:28,900
that you, you know, I love to 
see but, you know, at Michigan 

1309
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:30,700
and can't you can't just throw 
that in the. 

1310
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:31,800
Oh, yeah. 
A win that. 

1311
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,200
I mean, we do that one, you know
last time was in the 60s. 

1312
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,900
So if you assume that it's kind 
of a you know, this may be the 

1313
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:40,400
next, you know, the next real 
test might be Minnesota the 

1314
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,800
second to last game of the year.
So this is, there's a lot right?

1315
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:48,100
Again, kind of the overarching, 
you know, feel of the season is,

1316
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:49,400
everything's kind of 
front-loaded. 

1317
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,700
But this is a game that the kind
of is going to answer. 

1318
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:54,100
A lot of questions to be front 
loaded cuz everything else past 

1319
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:56,800
here is either going to be, you 
know, you have the end of the 

1320
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,500
exam is really tough. 
It's a, you know, five page blue

1321
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:02,700
book or it's an exam you have 
the Others to for the rest of 

1322
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:04,300
the Year. 
This is one of the few exams 

1323
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:07,400
where you kind of, don't know 
what it is going in, but it's 

1324
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,100
also it is a top 10 team in the 
country. 

1325
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,300
Yeah. 
It's going to be a lot of fun, 

1326
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,900
and I will say one thing on 
this, you know, a lot of times 

1327
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:18,900
people don't get into the 
gambling or the wagering 

1328
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:22,100
aspects, but Cincinnati is a bit
overplayed. 

1329
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:24,500
Right now. 
That's what the one of the 

1330
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:26,000
things I find fascinating 
looking at. 

1331
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,300
Some of the trends, the like Pro
Football, Focus, their college 

1332
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,200
trends. 
When they look at Value 

1333
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:35,500
Cincinnati's about a point over 
favorite in this game. 

1334
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:37,900
Like this really should be about
a two and a half point game 

1335
01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:40,600
that's in a three and a half or 
a for that might bode. 

1336
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,200
Well and we might see not just 
the line drop, but just the 

1337
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,200
overall perception of where 
Indiana and Cincinnati are in 

1338
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,600
relation to each other. 
Get a little bit closer by the 

1339
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,600
time games time starts. 
And so look all the things that 

1340
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,900
we mentioned but you know, up to
this point. 

1341
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,200
We're just going to see how they
play out, but I really do think 

1342
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,400
this is a defensive Showdown. 
I think this is something we're 

1343
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,200
Indiana's defense. 
To have to force a couple 

1344
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,800
turnovers, you can have to force
Cincinnati into giving you the 

1345
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,800
ball and advantageous field 
position. 

1346
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:11,600
I think this this could be a 
game where, you know, we really 

1347
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,700
see Taiwan Mullen and Mike 
McFadden. 

1348
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:18,500
And some of the new faces on 
defense, really remake their 

1349
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:21,100
names for themselves for the 
2021 season. 

1350
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:24,800
So should be a lot of fun. 
Anyway, final thought and let's 

1351
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,400
yeah, I was going to say this 
to, you know, it's kind of 

1352
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,200
sorry, you know, it's kind of 
been lost in the eye. 

1353
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,000
Ho game of like Idaho just isn't
good. 

1354
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:36,900
But, you know, it was nice. 
Having a pump block for a 

1355
01:02:36,908 --> 01:02:39,100
touchdown and then a punt return
for a touchdown. 

1356
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:42,700
And you that's something where, 
you know, the weight in those 

1357
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:45,000
were playing here. 
We talked about the DJ Matthews,

1358
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,700
one, that on our recap odd, but 
you know, that was a, that was a

1359
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:50,700
hell of a run. 
These great had a great scene. 

1360
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:54,000
He ran against, he had a guy who
stiffed, arming, that's those 

1361
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,900
kind of things, feel like they 
could be replicatable against 

1362
01:02:56,900 --> 01:03:00,000
real good teams. 
So that's something that, you 

1363
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,700
know, I'd like to see if That's 
something we can get going, 

1364
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:05,300
because that would be a unique 
wrinkle for an Indiana team that

1365
01:03:05,300 --> 01:03:07,600
we've never seen a team. 
That's like, Hey, we're always 

1366
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,100
gonna get some points on special
teams, that would be unique, but

1367
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:14,100
it feels like maybe having 
Matthews be the returner. 

1368
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:18,000
They might have unlocked 
something early on, and so, I'm 

1369
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,400
excited to see that to gonna be 
fun. 

1370
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,300
Looking forward to it and 
looking forward to seeing all 

1371
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:24,900
you folks out there at the 
stadium as well. 

1372
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,600
They got to be a lot of fun. 
Like to thank everybody that 

1373
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,400
joined us here at switchyard. 
We had a whole little group of 

1374
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,600
people here. 
The fraction. 

1375
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,100
What's my prediction? 
Yeah. 

1376
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,500
Oh the hell with it, Indiana 
22:17. 

1377
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:42,100
I, there we go. 
I think it's going to be. 

1378
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:44,600
I think it's either going to be 
that or Indiana's going to lose 

1379
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,200
40 227. 
I guess it's one of those too. 

1380
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:55,300
But I'm feeling I'm feeling the 
22:17 one way or the other. 

1381
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:58,600
I think it's going to be a 
lockdown battle defensively. 

1382
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,900
The one thing I'm concerned 
about. 

1383
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:01,200
I said this on mind your 
manners. 

1384
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,900
Earlier today, if I you let this
game, get away from them in the 

1385
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:06,900
first five to ten minutes, like 
they did Iowa. 

1386
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,100
That's the thing. 
I'm most concerned about because

1387
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:12,200
I don't, I still don't know 
where the psychology of this 

1388
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,800
team is when bad things happen 
because they didn't handle it 

1389
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,300
very well against Iowa, but if 
they can keep that from 

1390
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:21,100
happening, if it's a seven, 
seven game or seven three game, 

1391
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:24,200
middle of the second quarter. 
I like I use Chances, The 

1392
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,600
Closer, it is the longer it is 
because if Indiana believes, and

1393
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,500
I think we've seen this over and
over again with this team, when 

1394
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:33,500
they start to believe, They can 
do something, they'll do it, and

1395
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:35,600
it's only when they start 
doubting themselves that you 

1396
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:36,700
really start to run into 
trouble. 

1397
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:39,800
And so, we saw this in the 
Wisconsin game last year that 

1398
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,600
game stayed close and, you know,
Indiana made a couple of plays, 

1399
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,300
they took the lead and even 
though that was a close game, 

1400
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:49,300
the rest of the way they figured
out a way to win it because they

1401
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:50,300
started to believe in 
themselves. 

1402
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:54,700
And so that's I think the big 
thing, avoid allowing big plays 

1403
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:58,300
at the start of things, get 
yourself to halftime within 

1404
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:00,600
three to five points. 
Either way, and I think you're 

1405
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:01,900
good to go. 
The 2nd half. 

1406
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,600
How about you? 
I, you know, I beginning of the 

1407
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,300
year, I picked this as a loss. 
I'm probably, I'm still going to

1408
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:12,500
have to stay there. 
I just I need the offense to 

1409
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:14,300
show me something. 
I hate to be the down kill. 

1410
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,100
I'd love to but I give me, I was
going to win, but I think it's 

1411
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:27,200
gonna be a close game. 
I know it's great. 

1412
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,900
You know, II hope I'm with you 
to me. 

1413
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,400
The fear is if we go down 14 to 
nothing or like 13, not Thing 

1414
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,200
real quick, that's going to kill
fan enthusiasm. 

1415
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,400
It's going to probably hurt the 
team obviously being down by 

1416
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,500
that much. 
But I see this being a really 

1417
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,400
close game but the score might 
end up being like 2813 

1418
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,800
Cincinnati, but it never feels 
like it's that far out of reach 

1419
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,800
but I feel like we're going to 
be a spot. 

1420
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,000
A lot of times in the game where
it's like our offense is putting

1421
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,700
our defense in spots where it's 
like got our defense is doing, 

1422
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:57,700
all they can do and they're 
holding up in their whole. 

1423
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:01,900
It's like you can't continue to 
ask your defense to stop this 

1424
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:03,700
this team over it. 
Over again. 

1425
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,700
And then the offense comes out 
as a 3 and out and it's like we 

1426
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:08,600
need more from our offense to 
help our defense. 

1427
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,400
Then it's just going to be like 
they're just going to break a 

1428
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,500
couple too many times and that's
that's my fear. 

1429
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:13,800
But that's why I think it plays 
out. 

1430
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,800
Well when out, we'll see what 
happens. 

1431
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:18,200
You know, I picked Iowa as a 
loss at the beginning of the 

1432
01:06:18,207 --> 01:06:18,700
year. 
I picked. 

1433
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:20,900
This one is Win. 
We'll see if my record continues

1434
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,000
or if you're right this time. 
We'll see Eddie way. 

1435
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:26,300
Again. 
My thanks to the fine folks at 

1436
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:29,300
switchyard for hosting us today.
My thanks to everybody that 

1437
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,200
listened in on line. 
We got several comments will try

1438
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,400
to get two more of those. 
My thanks to all the folks here 

1439
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,900
who are present. 
We will be back on Sunday with 

1440
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:41,400
our recap podcast. 
As we talk about what happened 

1441
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,000
this weekend. 
We'll be back next week preview 

1442
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,500
shows. 
We lead into Western Kentucky 

1443
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:48,000
right into our watch party right
here at switchyard next 

1444
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:50,400
Saturday, starting at 7:30. 
Come down. 

1445
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,600
Join us. 
We'll catch you folks on the 

1446
01:06:52,607 --> 01:06:53,700
flip side. 
So everybody