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You're listening to the back 
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Welcome back to Crimson, cast 

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Gail and Flavio Scott Caulfield 
here in a rarity. 

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We've got both of us in the same
room for the This one Scott was 

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in town and I got pushed to the 
Bloomington Regional. 

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I really am. 
The voice of the site is 

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Bloomington is Scott's playing 
games? 

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So it's a, it's an interesting 
setup, but now he really wanted 

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the Hawaii Regional. 
Does it smell until you want 

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living rooms? 
Well, I guess that's right. 

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So yeah, so Scott texted me he's
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like, oh yeah, we had podcaster.
So we decided to talk a little 

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bit about what's coming up this 
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general lots of fun things 
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Gone. 
I continue to try to flood the 

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Zone in IU podcasting circles. 
As I was on mind, your banners 

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this morning. 
I listen to you on the way down.

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I'm sorry. 
No, that's fine, that's good 

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time. 
And then I'm on assembly call 

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radio this evening, and then 
we're doing this. 

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But your heart is here. 
This is how it is here. 

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Yes, this is, this is, I would 
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podcasting. 
I feel like I found a home. 

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Oh, that's a great, another 
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Like we have a portal pot of 
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where? 
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avoid that. 
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no, we're here. 
We're going to talk about IU, 

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obviously, as they get ready to 
take on Kent State in a couple 

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of days. 
It feels like it's like a month 

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from now. 
I know it's and it's going to 

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continue like, feel like a mom 
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happen between now and both sets
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essentially all, but one of the 
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played before, Indiana takes the
court, well that did whether the

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some of the games will still be 
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But you they'll be started by 
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So yeah, it's, it's interesting.
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I'm sure they're there but yes, 

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Zack kosterman apparently he's 
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safely. 
So I'm happy to hear that. 

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But yeah, before we get started,
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So, I'm waiting for the outcome 
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It's always, I wanna know what 
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but that'll my father yesterday.
It's great because now people in

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They needed this for a long 
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It's been a rough road for 
people, you know, in New 

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England. 
Just just a lot of disrespect 

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across the board. 
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No. 
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So I'm glad this rough time. 
So many championships, like it's

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so tough. 
I'm glad. 

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They're finally entering like 
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the time during the tournament 
that we are not expecting Scott.

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And I, you would think that 
we've got like special 

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Communications going with home 
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And honestly, I was surprised as
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When They drop something, it's 
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There's nothing we are, we 
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Yes, but we happen to also be 
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Allah has a consumer have to 
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Absolutely. 
So, home-field apparel.com be 

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sure to check them out. 
All right, let's talk about IUI,

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actually Scott, I have some bad 
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isn't happening. 
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Indiana is losing, right? 
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not even play the game. 
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for Indiana the for to close 
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The way that a weird note. 
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Beat by Jeff Goldman Osaka to 
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at those horns, look wait wait 
wait who's Jeff Goldman or judge

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Jeff Goodman. 
Sorry and Goldman edges. 

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All of them Andy Katz. 
Yeah even now as you look at the

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season-ending we got to talk 
about the portal so you're not 

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going to have Trace next year. 
You guys out you know you're 

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gonna get some good minutes out 
of it now it's a bundle. 

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You said a funny thing on the 
way down on the mind, your ban 

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on the mine, your banner plays. 
Listen to on the way down. 

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But like how, you know, I was 
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Rent term, but you know how the 
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a sudden, everybody turns Kent 
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As you said in the 86 Celtics, 
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any of these games and I'm not 
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good but like Kennesaw states in
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We played them in, December 
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December. 
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Well, my 20, like nobody would 
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Kennesaw State and that game. 
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them by 20. 
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November, if you like Gary, 
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their conference, like, Look at 
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Look, how do you stop? 
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can't take them lightly, but on 
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game that if it happened, you 
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like, well, Indiana should win 
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Yeah, it's one of those weird 
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It's it happens every year with 
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just the media cycle, right? 
Everybody needs something to say

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and everybody is looking. 
They're trying to find things to

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react to they're looking for 
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They can grab onto and then It's
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guarantee that? 
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attention to you throughout the 
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You keep hammering something 
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responses. 
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people that legitimately believe
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Indiana. 
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But as you said, it's just an 
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week's the gravity of this week,
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that we're going to anoint 
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hear about them when they lose. 
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teams that A the tournament 
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Would you please stop? 
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in persons. 
Why we much prefer being being 

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distance? 
E, with this stuff because what 

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my older golden retriever is 
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He's licked his drink cup 
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picture of John Moran and the 
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treating me very similarly 
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But anyway if you go back and 
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like doing this a lot. 
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were The most well-regarded 
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like Davidson Davidson was, you 
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they beat Alabama, you know they
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in the A-10 Tournament final 
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8C Dave or 10 seed Davidson last
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They, you know, it was a close 
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them by a point. 
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was a really highly regarded 
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that that must have been the key
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last year. 
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played Murray State, pretty 
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they were a 13 seat. 
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Illinois, Illinois, and up, 
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It was close. 
It was a point, but they ended 

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up winning. 
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all of these, you know, I mean, 
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this General range, the top 
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state was one but like South 
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them. 
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was a team with a great offense,
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basketball and then they ended 
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I think I mentioned that on one 
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So my point is, I understand the
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I understand the commentary this
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looking for, who are the best 
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first round. 
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Hearing it over and over, and 
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from like different media 
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And it's like, you know, yes, 
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early on in the season, but I am
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Sold on the idea that IU is 
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egg in this game and every bit 
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been. 
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carry or are you kidding? 
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process about the other Action. 
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couldn't possibly, you know, 
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Byzantine Empire getting 
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like, well, eventually we're 
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That's kind of how it feels with
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In this case, haven't heard as 
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NCAA prep Ivan listening to, but
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Not Constantinople now. 
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First off, I mean you Each 
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you're on ESPN you can't be like
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Like you got pick it all for one
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Like what's the next segment 
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You like you can try. 
This is a part of that. 

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Is that the other piece that I 
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And I heard as listening to One 
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about, you know, Memphis, how 
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give Purdue. 
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picking this example, but it's 
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Purdue guards and I feel like 
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and then it's like, oh, they 
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It's like that. 
You talk about these matchups in

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the second round, that end up 
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teams don't get there, but it's 
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Nobody really knows what's going

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to happen in these games. 
And it's important, look, 

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everybody could be right, 
Indiana could go out, play 

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terribly lose by 10. 
I mean it's entirely possible 

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but it is worth noting that you 
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like Ken pom and torvik and also
the betting sites you know which

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for those who don't understand a
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It's not like Vegas thinks that 
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It's no. 
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four point favorite in Vegas 
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it's even on either side so that
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The fact that there are four 
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something. 
And, you know, I think on a 

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neutral floor, when you don't 
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rely on the things that the 
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that the general public 
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I think those things probably 
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you know, you didn't ask if it's
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this game. 
For Indiana and I said this 

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earlier going I think of the Big
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What's going to happen again for
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against Miami. 
And honestly, against whoever 

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they play in the next rounds, I 
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so much more to do with this 
team than the opponent, like, if

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Indiana loses to Kent State, I 
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They didn't look locked in. 
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defensively. 
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it's, you know, no team can beat
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moments. 
It's like we're just not playing

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they've won every game or 
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game where they're locked in and
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maybe the Penn State game where 
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game where they shot really 
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entails putting in doesn't seem 
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capability. 
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I've seen Indiana locked in and 
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them. 
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the lead so speak. 
Like I look at all of these 

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games in the tournament, it's 
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win or they're going to. 
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but they're just not going to be
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Going to allow another team to 
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And it's not like, it sounds 
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him. 
It's like, I just, we're really 

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good when we're locked in and I 
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us. 
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playing with full intensity, we 
win. 

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It's just matter of whether we 
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to go back to coming off a break
and and even even then it's like

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you think about the way they 
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at Iowa, they like a 21-point 
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You then Ruiz Thompson goes down
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shots and things kind of 
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You still only lose that by two 
but no by and large a friend 

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helped coach that game. 
He did. 

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Ya do it was very agreeable, 
coaches very gracious of Fran to

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come in and try to give some 
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And you know, I mean it's 
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fascinating with this. 
I you team. 

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And when they are locked in, 
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they're playing at a high level,
they really do. 

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Do have the capacity to beat 
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It's just that a the Big Ten 
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stretch, didn't really provide 
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I was as critical as anybody 
about the Penn State game in the

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Big Ten Conference tournament. 
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played at 9:00 the previous 
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game. 
What 11 10 ish and they were 

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back on the court at 2:00, the 
next afternoon. 

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That's not much time to turn 
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You would To see them perform 
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circumstances, Penn State had a 
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it had to play the previous day,
so it's not an excuse thing, but

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I do think from the standpoint 
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Expecting I you to come out 
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Kent State to have all of the 
juice is not realistic. 

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It could happen, but it's the 
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have brought up like I you lost 
a Richmond in 1988. 

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Why we're bringing that up? 
I'm not sure but even go back 

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and watch that game. 
I actually just digitized. 

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It and putting it on YouTube 
later. 

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I, you had a shot to take the 
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game. 
They had a three to take the 

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lead with five seconds left in 
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it. 
Yeah, retired. 

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At least it wasn't like, they 
got blown out and weren't paying

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attention. 
Even if you want to go to more 

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recent examples, you know, I 
mean, in 2015, we do against a 

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superior, opponent in Wichita 
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of the time and last year, you 
think about a lot of people 

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thought that I, you might Beat 
Wyoming. 

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It was a struggle, a little bit 
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then I you gradually put some 
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Wyoming. 
And I think I mean I don't think

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that the numbers would say, 
Wyoming last year was a better 

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opponent. 
And I, you was a worst team last

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year than this year, in terms of
I use better and can State at 

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least by the numbers is slightly
worse. 

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So, yeah, I think that, you 
know, it's just, it's an 

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interesting thing because it's 
clearly got a lot of IU fans 

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kind of Of, you know, they're 
worried about how people are on 

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edge. 
I've already seen, like there 

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was a call for questions for 
assembly called tonight and 

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someone wrote in something like,
you know, if I use this to Kent 

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State, like, you know, what'll 
happen like who are Woodson and 

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Dolson going to blame, and it's 
like, come on like that. 

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Like when we're in that 
mentality, a, I'm expecting 

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disaster is not a healthy way to
go about things and be it's 

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possible to just lose basketball
games without needing there to 

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be. 
Referendum on everything. 

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And I don't think Indiana is 
going to lose this game. 

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I think the numbers and just the
overall composition of the teams

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are, are favorable for Indiana, 
and a lot of ways. 

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And with as much as we've heard 
about sincere carry, as much as 

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we've heard about some of these 
other folks that are on this 

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Kent State team. 
You know, whether it's, I don't 

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know Malik Jacobs or, you know, 
whether you're talking about 

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jail and Sellinger, you know, 
they've got some good pieces, no

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question, but so does Indiana. 
And it's, it's going to Be 

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interesting watching Jalen a 
jiffy, no handling himself in 

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that environment. 
It's going to be interesting 

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watching, Tre Galloway, handle 
himself in that environment. 

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You know, d.c. tomorrow, Bates, 
continue to play at an elevated 

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level, which he has the last few
games that he's been out there 

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for IU. 
But what's the answer for? 

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Trace? 
Jackson Davis, right. 

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You know, with Trace Jackson, 
Davis, I don't think that Kent 

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State seen a passer out of the 
post. 

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Like Trace Jackson Davis All 
Season. 

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You know. 
How do they handle him 

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initiating offense from to Feet 
away from the basket. 

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Does he do what Timmy did 
against them? 

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Or does he decide? 
You know what I'm going to 

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distribute? 
Maybe Miller cop will shoot when

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I pass him. 
The ball tomorrow Bates 

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certainly will shoot when I pass
him. 

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The ball. 
You know what is Mike Woodson 

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have up his sleeve Woodson All 
Season at least offensively has 

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really been about how do I take 
my stars? 

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Primarily Trace Jackson Davis 
and put them in position to put 

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points on the board. 
And then how do I get us to play

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solid defense? 
He's had more success 

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offensively than defensively but
But, you know, the thing about 

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this Kent State team is that 
most of their success has flown 

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from the defensive end. 
It's not a team that has 

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historically at least over the 
course of this season. 

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Put a crapload of points on the 
board and made you worry, that's

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the time to team. 
I'm worried about not so much. 

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The Kent State version where 
it's like we're very much 

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defense first. 
Indiana has faced defense has 

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this good all year. 
I think they'll figure out how 

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to handle it, especially against
the team that's relatively under

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sized. 
I mean, the thing with Kent 

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State that is concerning as they
have made come back. 

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Against all of the teams 
especially against Gonzaga and 

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Houston. 
They made comebacks in those 

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games. 
And so that's something a little

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bit concerning because I could 
see Indiana getting to a lead 

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and then taking their foot off 
the gas and then having you 

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know, Kent State run back in but
to go to another appointment 

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like fans being nervous and 
concerned, I'm not trying to 

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wash it. 
Let's enjoy the game. 

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Let's enjoy the gate. 
Like, I'm all for talking about 

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what this means, and how we put 
it into context later. 

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But I would just urge fans out 
there. 

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Like, this is the fun part, 
enjoy it. 

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And I'm not, if we do lose, I'm 
not trying to, you know, 

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rationalize it already. 
But what I would say is that, 

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you know, what we need to do is 
a program and I'm not going to 

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say that, you know, we lose 
everything's fine but it's like 

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as a program. 
We've we gave ourselves a shot 

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at being a protected seed in the
NCAA tournament. 

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Like that's what you want to do 
year in year out, and then some 

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years, you know, Duke lost the 
first time, Michigan, State 

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lost. 
The first round can Virginia law

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also wants to meet you teams can
have, can't, wait, can I say 

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Kentucky lost the Saint Peters? 
It has a zipper do all this 

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protection sees, it can happen, 
you know? 

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And yes those season suck but 
you give yourselves enough shot 

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as a protected seed in the 
tournament and good things will 

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happen it. 
Now if we get to a point that 

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we've done this five years in a 
row, first off, would still be 

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old enough. 
That's probably time to go 

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anyway, but if we've been a 
protected seed, five years in a 

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row, we lose in the first round 
every single year, then. 

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Yes, maybe it's time to look at 
something we're not there yet. 

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Like, so I would, I'm not saying
we're already having a success 

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as a season, but I would say 
that, That we're kind of there. 

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I'm like the goal is to put 
yourself in the position and 

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then really like watching that 
game last night with a pit and 

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Mississippi State. 
You know, I had this thought 

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that, you know, the guy from 
Mississippi State, you know, had

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a Defender, just didn't pay 
attention. 

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He went out for a 3-2 need to 
three. 

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Could have just drove a basket 
but he missed a wide open three.

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It's like he makes that you 
know, 35% of the time during a 

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season, maybe 50% wide open. 
It's like we make a referendum 

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on a season. 
I'm basically one dudes missed 

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shot, like, so, his pit better 
now because the Dude, They did, 

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they played horrible and of game
defense. 

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And if I missed a three and like
humming, just one game, but it's

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like I'm gonna go on the record 
and say that both of those teams

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stink. 
Yes. 

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But anyway, go on one of them 
want a game of bracket pit might

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win another game and it's like 
so did they like it's weird 

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referendums that we do on it? 
Like I think this is much more 

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of a three to four year program 
but it's like we did what we 

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need to do is we are a protected
seed we gave ourselves a really 

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good opportunity. 
I think that this is a really 

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good pod for US based on the 
things that you've talked about 

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on, you know. 
Mind your manners that I agree 

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with you. 
These are two with Kent State. 

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Miami. 
They're the type of teams and 

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Drake to like none of those are 
Iowa. 

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Penn State type teams and 
profile. 

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They're just going to Blitz you 
with threes and crush us which 

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is what we have a trouble with. 
So it's like you got a good, you

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got to draw here. 
I think that if we play locked 

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in for the majority of the game,
we should be able to beat Kent 

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State but you know this is the 
tournament and they're all going

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to be tight close games. 
What makes me feel good is like 

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I think I mentioned last pod in 
most of the Close games, we've 

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won them. 
And so like, that should give 

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everybody in it, you know, an 
Indiana fan feeling good about 

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this because this isn't when we 
lose, we just lose big. 

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We don't lose close games. 
Yeah, it's true. 

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And look I think ultimately IU 
needs to get to the tournament. 

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Let's start there like though. 
It's and that's, that sounds 

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like we're above that. 
We're not. 

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We're not that. 
We're not above that. 

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We've got to get to the 
tournament consistently. 

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Well, now, this is two years in 
a row that I use been to the 

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tournament. 
It would be nice to win a couple

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of games this year in the 
tournament last year. 

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You won one. 
I've you don't want to count 

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that as a full Tournament game, 
whatever it still counts as a 

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full Tournament game. 
So I you needs to win at least 

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one maybe two here. 
Ideally to maybe I'd love to see

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them win more but these are the 
steps that you take and you know

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so long. 
We've been waiting for IU to get

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themselves back into the 
conversation and what I find 

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fascinating about you know the 
discourse around this team and 

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how out of whack from my opinion
I you Fan's perspective is is 

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that this is the first time 
Indiana's been a top four seed 

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in the big dance since 2013. 
Like even the year they won the 

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00:21:12,908 --> 00:21:18,100
Big Ten title in 16, they were a
5 seed and it's only the third 

448
00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:20,200
time. 
They've for the fourth time. 

449
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,200
They've been a excuse me. 
A third time. 

450
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,700
They've been a protected seed, 
going all the way back to 2001. 

451
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:31,000
Like the, you know, the because 
they were a flat plate, can't 

452
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,400
stay when they played Kent State
which are maybe not a great home

453
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,300
in there. 
But you know, I mean that that's

454
00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:40,100
what we're talking about is that
ultimately IU has been so bereft

455
00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:43,800
of the basic things that you 
look at. 

456
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,900
The top level programs out 
there, the Dukes to Kentucky's 

457
00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:50,200
the North Carolina's, the 
Michigan State's, just just 

458
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,500
being in a position where you 
played a good season. 

459
00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:55,600
And here's your reward, here's 
here's a good seed in the NCAA 

460
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,600
tournament. 
Is it enough to just do that? 

461
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,900
I think there's an argument to 
be made that right now in 

462
00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,800
program development and history 
and where Indiana is trying to 

463
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,800
get back to. 
It is enough to at least say hey

464
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,800
we were one of the top 16 teams 
in college basketball in the 

465
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,900
regular season as a judged by a 
panel of 12 people whose job it 

466
00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:14,700
is. 
To do that. 

467
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,200
I'm not satisfied with that. 
I want to see them go out and 

468
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,400
beat Kent State and as again, I 
think they will but I wouldn't 

469
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,000
I'm not going to go through some
kind of abject freak out if that

470
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,400
doesn't happen and you certainly
I can't tell you how to feel as 

471
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,700
a fan. 
You could certainly freak out, 

472
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:36,600
it'll hurt if Indiana loses this
game, but I don't see a lot of 

473
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,300
rationale out there to say that.
Well Indiana is going to be 

474
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:42,100
really lucky to win this game. 
No, I think it's the opposite, 

475
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,700
and that's, that's what the 
computer. 

476
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000
Say, and that's what the betting
public says is well. 

477
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,600
And I do think that those things
matter historically speaking. 

478
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:50,800
Yeah, I'm just looking like 
Arizona, like their historical 

479
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,700
seed. 
You know, it's a 2-1 none and 

480
00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:57,500
2021. 
But then like, in 1918, it's a 4

481
00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,300
and the 2 and then a six, and a 
two, and a one, and a six, and 

482
00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:03,200
if I'm like, they had, you know,
liaise here there. 

483
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,100
It's like, they're just, you 
know, every four years, they're 

484
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:09,100
averaging two and a half years 
where they're a protected seen 

485
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,300
in Arizona is not even like what
I would consider the highest 

486
00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:13,800
level of blue, but you know, 
it's it's a fair point. 

487
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,900
And that's why I'm not freaking 
out about this. 

488
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:19,200
And I think that we're in a good
spot, and it's a game that we, 

489
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,100
the thing that you also 
mentioned in that mind your 

490
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,900
banners, I want to hit on. 
Yes, you talked a little bit 

491
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:28,700
about, you know, how Trace 
Jackson, Davis sounded like the,

492
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,000
he really wanted to burnish his 
legacy here, you know, in the 

493
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,700
post games, after the Penn State
game. 

494
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:37,100
And I think it's it's 
interesting and it's goes to the

495
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:40,500
point that you mentioned that, 
you know, he's had to. 

496
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,300
This team has had basically two 
opportunities in the last two, 

497
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:45,000
and a half weeks. 
Only thing that kind of makes me

498
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
nervous. 
Is they've had two opportunities

499
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,200
in the last like, three weeks to
do that after they beat Purdue 

500
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,800
on the road, they came home to 
an Iowa and Michigan team at 

501
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,600
home. 
And theoretically, after that 

502
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,600
win at Purdue, they still could 
have won a share of the Big Ten 

503
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,900
had they won out. 
Had Purdue lot a lot of ifs and 

504
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:05,300
buts but they were still 
mathematically able to win the 

505
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:08,900
Big Ten Championship. 
They, they kind of didn't didn't

506
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,900
show up against Iowa and I'll 
give you trace your take the 

507
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,300
kind out of. 
Yes, yes. 

508
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,900
And then Get to the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

509
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:16,500
They have a draw that breaks 
well for them. 

510
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,900
And they could have at least 
gotten to a final and played 

511
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,200
Purdue again in the final and 
they didn't do that. 

512
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:24,100
That's what concerns me. 
Now, your point in the mind, 

513
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,400
your manners pot was like, you 
know, Trace needs some his 

514
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,100
teammates to show you. 
Look at Trace just going from 

515
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,700
the Iowa game on and that Iowa 
game. 

516
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:36,300
He had 26 points, 27, 24, 24 
offensive rating of 120, 110 

517
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,000
6126, and 161 against Penn 
State. 

518
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:42,600
It's fair to say to me, like, 
you know, Trace you did your 

519
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,000
part, we're gonna put you You 
aside this is where the rest of 

520
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,500
this team. 
You got to help Trace out 

521
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,700
because now we're out of 
opportunities to burnish his 

522
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:54,200
legacy from a win-loss 
perspective and doing so you're 

523
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,000
not going to win the Big Ten. 
You're not gonna win the Big Ten

524
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,400
Tournament, you guys kind of 
didn't do that. 

525
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,800
Trace will show up. 
Trace has shown that he's going 

526
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,800
to show up, he needs the rest of
his team to show up with him. 

527
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,700
And, you know, these aren't 
tough ass, but you just got to 

528
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:11,000
beat Kent State and maybe a 
might, you know, Miami Florida 

529
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,700
team and then you're going to a 
sweet 16. 

530
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:16,000
And I think at that point it's 
like Trace punches his Chiquito,

531
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,900
he punches his ticket out of 
the, you're just a stats, dude. 

532
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:22,100
And it's like, so I just, I 
thought about that on the way 

533
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:25,900
down like it really does come to
the complementary players here 

534
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:28,600
and I feel bad at partially for 
Trace Jackson Davis just because

535
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,100
he he obviously knows what's at 
stake here and he's doing 

536
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:35,000
everything he can. 
You just need the rest of your 

537
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600
team to show up and help you out
well and you can, I think you 

538
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,700
could hear it in his answers. 
That there was a lot of 

539
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:45,000
frustration with the way that 
that game went and You've seen 

540
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,500
it on the court, if you're 
paying attention to his body 

541
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:52,800
language, like the amount of 
times that we've seen him, give 

542
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,700
really top-notch, performances, 
only to be let down by a lack of

543
00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,400
contributions. 
From his fellow, folks on the 

544
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200
court people who are veterans 
people, who should be able at 

545
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,700
this point to provide that 
consistently. 

546
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,800
That's probably been the most 
disappointing part of this year.

547
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,000
And, you know, when I look at 
the way that this team flows, I 

548
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,300
All the stuff we talked about at
the beginning as far as this 

549
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,400
team can't beat itself, you know
this team has to get engaged 

550
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,600
mentally, all of those things, 
matter a great deal but it's 

551
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,900
almost exclusively Something 
That Matters to the other four 

552
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,200
players on the team. 
Because, you know, I mean, last 

553
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,500
year, there were some games were
traced Jackson, Davis didn't 

554
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:36,500
show up, you know, I mean, you 
could, you know, the and some of

555
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:37,600
them, it didn't matter that 
much. 

556
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,100
But like the game at home versus
Illinois, the game at home 

557
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,800
versus Purdue the game at home 
versus Maryland, which Indiana 

558
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,700
ended up winning This year, we 
just haven't seen that. 

559
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,800
I mean, you know, you go back 
through, you know, he didn't 

560
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,100
have a great game at Purdue in 
terms of points but he 

561
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:56,100
contributed in so many other 
ways, but he has been such a 

562
00:26:56,108 --> 00:27:00,300
consistent contributor and he's 
been almost always the best 

563
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,300
player on the floor for either 
team down the stretch here. 

564
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,700
You can't say the same about his
teammates and you know jail no 

565
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,900
trophy, no. 
As much as we have loud at him 

566
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:11,400
and talked about how this this 
is guys. 

567
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Going to be drafted. 
He's going to be a guy with the 

568
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:18,800
Long career in the NBA, the 
inconsistency has to stop. 

569
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,400
Now, you know, you always hear 
this, well he's no longer a 

570
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,600
freshman. 
Well if that's the case, you got

571
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,100
to start bringing consistently 
and, you know, it can be done 

572
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,500
because you've got a guy in the 
post who's doing it. 

573
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:32,500
Consistently, you know, you've 
got to get more consistent play 

574
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:36,900
out of Miller cop. 
He cannot he cannot be scared to

575
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:38,700
shoot the basketball at this 
point. 

576
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,400
I want to jump in on the jail 
and thing real quick. 

577
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,800
You know, and you do here that 
they call these inconsistencies 

578
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,500
a freshman. 
It's like but But and we've been

579
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,800
high on Jalen Hutch fee. 
No, I'm not trying to knock him 

580
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,200
but he's getting into that real.
This is this is, you know, it's 

581
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,900
because he's so good. 
But when you look at a guy like 

582
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:59,700
Brandon Miller, you know, his, 
you know, he's only had three 

583
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,700
games in the last two months 
where he's been under 100 

584
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,600
offensive rating. 
Like the last couple games is 

585
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,600
offense, of Ray has been 120. 
130, 130 for an 80 and 89, and a

586
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,900
119. 149 163 having just he's 
been, yeah, unbelievably and 

587
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,500
Again, he's a he's maybe the 
third pick in the draft but like

588
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,800
Jalen's not that far off, like 
your talk about it, being a 

589
00:28:19,808 --> 00:28:23,900
lottery pick like and he's way 
more inconsistent than somebody 

590
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,900
like Brandon Miller. 
Think the hears the prayers. 

591
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,000
The issue though, the thing with
Brandon Miller you're right. 

592
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
It says it's the best cop. 
I mean it but it is in a way 

593
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,200
because I think the thing about 
Brandon Miller or that type of 

594
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,300
player that's important to keep 
in mind is that Brandon Miller 

595
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:41,100
doesn't have to initiate the 
offense and Brandon Miller. 

596
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,900
I think trust his teammates to 
some degree too. 

597
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Perform in situations where he 
can't his brain and his 

598
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400
teammates have performed pretty 
well across the board. 

599
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,900
I mean no a clown who's also a 
freshman has played really well.

600
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,500
You know, Charles video is 
played really well. 

601
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,400
There's there's a lot of players
on that team that have been 

602
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,900
consistent performers. 
I think we're Jalen Hurd Ruffino

603
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:06,300
gets into trouble. 
Is that everybody else seems to 

604
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,900
be waiting for him and traced to
do things. 

605
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,400
Yeah, and so jail. 
No trophy. 

606
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000
No finds himself in a position 
where In mentally is like, if I 

607
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,500
don't do X Y and Z, we're not 
going to have a chance to win, 

608
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,600
and when he tries to like draw 
Defenders and distribute, he 

609
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,800
passes to people who don't shoot
or don't don't take advantage of

610
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,100
things when it happens. 
Yeah. 

611
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:32,800
And they do, that is such a 
burden for a freshman point 

612
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,200
guard, to have to carry where 
he's not and you know it when it

613
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400
works it looks like one of the 
best things you've ever seen on 

614
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,200
the basketball floor mean that 
was the game at Purdue was a 

615
00:29:42,208 --> 00:29:43,800
great example. 
It's like here's a guy who just 

616
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,700
took A game over. 
Yeah, and played at, you know, 

617
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:50,300
essentially an All-American 
level for a game, but you 

618
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:51,800
shouldn't have to do that every 
time out. 

619
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,200
And I feel like to some degree, 
The Supporting Cast, both the 

620
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,500
other starters and the bench 
have had this tendency to defer 

621
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,900
over and over again thinking. 
Well, I don't have to shoot here

622
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,700
because I need to give it to 
somebody else and that can't 

623
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:08,000
happen in the tournament because
if I'm Kent State, I'm looking 

624
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,100
I'm saying if we shut down, 
Jalen Hurd, Fino. 

625
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,500
And if we make life difficult, 
entrees Jackson Davis. 

626
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:13,700
We're gonna win the game easily.
Yeah. 

627
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,700
And They may be right? 
And that's where ultimately to 

628
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:24,300
me this is a referendum on if of
anything on you know can this 

629
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:29,400
group come together and play 
with confidence in themselves? 

630
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,500
Not to guys play with confidence
and three guys, just don't take 

631
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,200
anything off the table, which is
how I feel like a lot of these 

632
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,500
games down the stretch of have 
gone. 

633
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,600
Like this is where you have to 
have an assertive game and you 

634
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,900
know I you has been at its best 
when Trey Galloway's been 

635
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,100
assertive. 
When race Thompson hasn't tried 

636
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:49,200
to do too much. 
When you know honestly like in 

637
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,200
the Big Ten Tournament. 
One of the things I was pleased 

638
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,400
about was we've criticize them 
for trying to do too much on 

639
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200
fast breaks, and they really 
didn't do that in either game, 

640
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,500
like, there weren't a ridiculous
amount of turnovers. 

641
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,700
You know, it's fascinating to me
when you think about, you know, 

642
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,600
that Penn State game. 
One of the things that was 

643
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,000
notable was how well Indiana 
took care of the basketball five

644
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
turnovers. 
And that entire game, that is 

645
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,100
rare for Indiana, and they don't
turn the ball over like a 

646
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,400
hideous amount. 
But that's Really low number 

647
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,200
that 7% of possessions, and yet 
they lost. 

648
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,300
Because, you know, that a couple
of times where they couldn't 

649
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:25,400
even get a shot off because the 
people that needed to shoot or 

650
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,600
needed to try to do something, 
tried to defer or fell or, you 

651
00:31:28,608 --> 00:31:30,600
know, just couldn't get it 
within themselves to do 

652
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,000
something. 
That's what's got to stop 

653
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,900
Indiana. 
Can't have players playing 

654
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,700
scared or playing? 
Too much within themselves? 

655
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,300
That's not going to work. 
I mean, I saw a great quote, 

656
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,500
there was somebody that was 
interviewing one of the Miami 

657
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,700
assistant coaches, it was 
actually John title from Hoops 

658
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:49,800
HD. 
It's a good interview if you 

659
00:31:49,808 --> 00:31:51,800
want to go check it out where he
was asking them. 

660
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Like, you guys came into the 
tournament last year you were 

661
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,800
looking at 11 seed, you make an 
elite eight for the first time 

662
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
and I think program history, 
like what was the secret? 

663
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
And his answer was what we 
played with joy. 

664
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,900
We and that sounds so trite. 
But he's like, well, you know, 

665
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:14,200
we just, we essentially embraced
the fact that this was the Just 

666
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,200
go around for that particular 
group. 

667
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,300
We're going to enjoy every 
moment and we were going to try 

668
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,600
to do as much as we could in the
moment. 

669
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,500
But do so in a way that wasn't 
out of fear and that's what the 

670
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,600
thing that concerns me about IU 
is that they carry such a weight

671
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,400
of expectation, not because of 
anything that they've done. 

672
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,700
But because of the name on The 
Jersey and the expectations from

673
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:40,300
fans about that, that it is hard
for this team to play with joy, 

674
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,300
especially in these 
circumstances. 

675
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,700
And I think to some degree you 
saw that That down the stretch 

676
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:48,000
from The Supporting Cast, where 
they're worried about making 

677
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000
mistakes, rather than just 
playing doing the things that 

678
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,200
they know how to do, and seeing 
where the chips fall, and that's

679
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,400
what I hope. 
They're able to grab some time 

680
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,400
between the lost that happened 
on Saturday and the game 

681
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,100
starting on Friday night this 
week. 

682
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:04,900
I totally agree. 
Yeah, it's like you're dead on 

683
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:05,600
with that. 
Yeah. 

684
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,600
So I don't know what that what 
how they do that? 

685
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,300
I mean I will say I think Mike 
Woodson has a much better shot. 

686
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Any of the IU coaches that we've
seen in the last 50 years of 

687
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,000
having his team come in, not 
tightly wound. 

688
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,700
You know, I think that Woodson 
with his experience, not not 

689
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,500
necessarily playoff experience 
in the NBA, but certainly that 

690
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,300
factors into it. 
But just his experience with 

691
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,000
dealing with players. 
I think this is where Woodson 

692
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,200
really can shine in that if he 
can get this team into the right

693
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,600
frame of mind where they realize
that Kent State's of threat, but

694
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,400
that they're not an existential 
threat. 

695
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Yeah, you know, that they're 
that. 

696
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:46,700
That I you is good that I you 
should be confident in 

697
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,100
themselves, you know, rather 
than saying well God we really 

698
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,100
got to watch out for these 
guards on Kent State because 

699
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,700
they're going to they're going 
to force turnovers and we're 

700
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,600
going to be really like instead 
be like guys. 

701
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:59,900
You've dealt with much harder to
deal with guards this season and

702
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,700
you in most cases, you've come 
out on top, like, putting the 

703
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,600
team into a mentality where they
are not looking over their 

704
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,500
shoulder, but instead are saying
we're in Indiana, you know, we 

705
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:15,100
won 22 games and we beat Purdue,
So we've done a bunch of really 

706
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:19,300
good things this season. 
That's to me where Woodson if 

707
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,600
you know this is where he earns 
his money you know, I think and 

708
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,400
and that's my hope. 
I don't know if it'll happen you

709
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,800
know but he had them into Right 
Center Line. 

710
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,500
Last year, you know, at a time 
when they should have been 

711
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,100
doubting themselves and, you 
know, you got to kind of throw 

712
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,400
the st. 
Mary's came out a little bit 

713
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,900
with the travel and everything 
else, but the fact he had him 

714
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,900
ready in that first game, I 
think does show that he has the 

715
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:40,199
Capel of the capability of 
talking to this group in that 

716
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,800
way. 
No, I think you're right and the

717
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,300
other. 
The other thing to be Positive 

718
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:48,100
about is, it's funny of my 
memory is a little bit different

719
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,699
than what remember this. 
But, you know, you, you saw that

720
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:55,300
down the stretch last year from 
Jordan Geronimo. 

721
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,400
Although, I'm laughing because 
it's like it was really just one

722
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,100
game. 
They see the Wyoming Game. 

723
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,200
Like I thought he had a little 
better run in the Big Ten 

724
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,100
Tournament, but he did, but he 
got injured member. 

725
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,500
That was the that was the issue.
Like he started to play well. 

726
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,100
And then there was the injury 
kind of took him out of the mix,

727
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,600
but the point stands that you 
know, last year you have a guy 

728
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,800
in Geronimo who didn't play 
much, he played well against 

729
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Yes, 20 minutes. 
I mean fire points but he, I 

730
00:35:17,607 --> 00:35:20,900
mean he did a lot of good things
like that, but he was definitely

731
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:24,900
a up and down roll player last 
year and Woodson and Geronimo 

732
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:27,100
together, like to somehow, they 
found a secret sauce there at 

733
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:28,500
the very end. 
He still had a pretty good game 

734
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,000
against st. 
Mary's to and had a great game 

735
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,300
against Wyoming. 
And you know, I have no memory 

736
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,000
of the same areas game and he's 
a Saint Mary's. 

737
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,900
Nobody we all got like our 
memory, hold on that. 

738
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,000
We have no clue what happened in
that game other than we lost 

739
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,400
big. 
But you see it happening again 

740
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,400
this year? 
Tamar bait. 

741
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,500
Somebody who also has kind of an
up and down year and you know, 

742
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,200
you go to the Big Ten tournament
tomorrow Bates has a very good 

743
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,000
game against Penn State for 
himself and you know you hope 

744
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,300
that this is the start of the 
over. 

745
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,400
He has a nice little run like 
Geronimo did and it you know 

746
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,900
it's small sample sizes but it's
better than nothing and it shows

747
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,500
that Woodson's able to again 
back to our Point. 

748
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,000
Those are the guys that got to 
show up. 

749
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,500
You can get 14 points in a 
effective offensive game out of 

750
00:36:08,508 --> 00:36:11,100
Tamar Bates and good defense. 
That's great because we've both 

751
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,800
agreed liked race tracks and 
stations gonna give you what 

752
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,500
he's gonna give you. 
Can you even when he's down? 

753
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,300
Now it's Jalen is definitely up 
and down. 

754
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,600
But even when he's down, he's 
giving you a good /, maybe not 

755
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,100
an efficient performance, give 
you a good performance Gap and 

756
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,000
he's always solid on defense. 
You know, it's just it's those 

757
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,800
other guys. 
And so that is where and I do 

758
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,600
think the nature of the 
tournament although I would have

759
00:36:29,607 --> 00:36:31,500
said this for the Big Ten 
Tournament so I'm kind of going 

760
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,800
against myself. 
But the nature of the this 

761
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,400
tournament is different than you
know, we lose a game against 

762
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,800
Iowa at home and suddenly the 
next day is a cot. 

763
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200
What's wrong with his team? 
Once everything is a crisis and 

764
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,500
everybody's like you looking at 
their play and like God, you 

765
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,500
look like shit that game. 
It's like, there's something 

766
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:47,800
nice. 
The tournament where he's like, 

767
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,400
it doesn't matter who looks good
or bad. 

768
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,200
If we beat Kent State's like we 
want like moving on like doesn't

769
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,700
matter. 
If you had a bad game like we 

770
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,200
won you miss five defensive 
assignment of No One's Gonna Be 

771
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,700
talking about. 
Should we change start like you 

772
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:00,900
want to move it on the stock 
Miami like there's no time and 

773
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:02,600
even the week off, we make the 
sweet sixteen. 

774
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,700
No one's gonna be like hey we're
in the sweet 16 but you know 

775
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,700
tomorrow you missed you like 
nobody cares about anything at 

776
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,000
that point. 
Now is just like it's complete 

777
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,300
and I think that you were dead 
on to like if we can just get 

778
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,800
out of the first round. 
I think the runways clear for 

779
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,500
this team and there's a world 
where if they play whoever they 

780
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,600
play in the sweet 16 you know, 
they could just make could be 

781
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,100
playing with joy because at that
point it's like who cares and 

782
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:27,000
you know it's it's funny. 
I mentioned we think about our 

783
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,100
sponsor home field. 
They have a great cherry-picking

784
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,800
newsletter, but they did a 
newsletter on that Syracuse 

785
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,400
team, the cues in the house. 
Oh my God. 

786
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,000
Oh my God, those are the John 
Wallace team, right? 

787
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
But I always think of that team 
and that wasn't a great Syracuse

788
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,800
team. 
Like John Walsh was a good 

789
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,500
college player but it's like 
they just, they Were having fun 

790
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:45,700
and like they were having a 
great time. 

791
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,800
They went to the final game and 
damn near beat Kentucky. 

792
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,500
I think that year so there's a 
the last time Indiana had a team

793
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:53,400
that played with any level of 
Joy. 

794
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:55,700
Was the 2016 team. 
Yeah, really was. 

795
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,400
That's the last time I can 
remember I you players going out

796
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,400
on the floor and just doing good
stuff and looking like they were

797
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,200
having a good time with each 
other. 

798
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,100
We've only had a couple and like
because the 2013 team was wow, 

799
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,200
like that team was like they 
knew they had to win, they got 

800
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,200
wound up. 
They were tight. 

801
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,700
The 2012 team played with joy. 
And I still stand by, they, they

802
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,900
just met the wrong team in the 
they played the absolute worst 

803
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,600
team in the tournament for them 
in Kentucky, but that seems play

804
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,500
with joy and then maybe past 
that like the O2 tip. 

805
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,300
These are all team that had good
success in Marvin. 

806
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:29,500
I will say even once, they're 06
team at the end, when the 

807
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:31,900
pressure was off because they 
knew Davis wasn't going to be 

808
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,200
there anymore. 
I mean, that team, you know, 

809
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,500
there was there were some 
aspects to it was like okay this

810
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:39,000
is actually fun again a little 
bit. 

811
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,700
So yeah, I look it just it's so 
teams are Pritchard. 

812
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:45,000
Had the dunk I think like oh, I 
was like 11. 

813
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,400
Well that team had was Joy. 
There was nothing else there. 

814
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,300
Yeah no but yeah. 
So look I know everybody's a 

815
00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:00,000
little bit you know, on edge 
about this week and I get it and

816
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,900
certainly we were, we will look 
at what happens in the game and 

817
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,000
we'll give it a thorough 
evaluation. 

818
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
I really do believe though. 
I mean, I think getting through 

819
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,300
this first game as the biggest 
challenge Indiana is going to 

820
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:13,200
have in this tournament. 
I'm not predicting to go to the 

821
00:39:13,207 --> 00:39:14,600
Final Four. 
I think like that. 

822
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,400
I mean, I think there's you 
there's Talent realities we do. 

823
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,900
You don't have you don't have a 
deep bench in terms of guards? 

824
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,200
Yeah, you need guards in this 
tournament as we've talked about

825
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,600
throughout this week with Kent 
State but I also think it's 

826
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,900
teams. 
Got a tremendous amount of 

827
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:33,500
talent in a bunch of areas 
including their starting lineup 

828
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,000
and I'm just excited to see what
happens. 

829
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,900
It's going to be really 
fascinating to watch it. 

830
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,500
Develop watch how they come out 
and play, you know, I think 

831
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,100
it'll be a close game against 
Kent State. 

832
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:46,000
I think Indiana is To win by 
probably four or five, like 

833
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,400
right around where the spread is
at. 

834
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,700
And I think they'll figure it 
out as they go along. 

835
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:56,000
But, you know, I just, I'm to 
me, it's like, I'm still in a 

836
00:39:56,008 --> 00:39:58,200
mode where I feel like to some 
degree. 

837
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,700
The season has been underrated 
in terms of how Indiana 

838
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:03,600
performed because it felt like 
we spent the whole last two 

839
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,800
months of the Season waiting for
the other shoe to drop and it 

840
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,900
really never did. 
Yep. 

841
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:12,500
And and so, that to me, makes a 
judging what to expect in the 

842
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:13,700
tournament, very difficult to 
do. 

843
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,400
But overall, I'm pleased, where 
with Indiana's at, I'm pleased 

844
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,100
with what the draw was. 
I'm pleased with how overall 

845
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,500
this team has played this 
season, and particularly in the 

846
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:26,900
Big Ten season. 
And so, I'm looking forward to 

847
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:28,400
seeing what they can do in the 
NCAA tournament. 

848
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:29,200
Yep. 
I agree. 

849
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,900
And I think you kind of end on 
this like you you would mention 

850
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:35,400
this and one of the other pods 
we talked about that, you know, 

851
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,600
like this season. 
Just going again, not picking 

852
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,200
those comments. 
The idea of like, you know, what

853
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,500
is the what is lost mean? 
Like, if we do lose or we win 

854
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:46,500
whatever, like You sold me on 
this like this season. 

855
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:50,000
How we look at it is going to be
part of a Continuum of the next 

856
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,400
couple of years. 
So if we lose to Kent State, but

857
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,100
then next year were protected 
seat, again, we go to the Sweet 

858
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,700
16 like suddenly this is going 
to look different if we never 

859
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:59,900
get to the tournament again der 
Woodsen. 

860
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,800
This will look different like 
how the next three years ago is 

861
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,400
going to affect this year? 
And that's that's something I 

862
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200
think that everybody myself 
included forgets at the end of a

863
00:41:09,207 --> 00:41:11,700
season like I want to put this 
season into context, it's like 

864
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,200
you really can't like that. 
That 2016 run like that was 

865
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,700
nice. 
And then we lost a North 

866
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,400
Carolina ending That season by 
card. 

867
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,300
Lets me up this team. 
Hit a wall and but then it's 

868
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:23,100
like, I look differently at that
because like, that was kind of 

869
00:41:23,107 --> 00:41:26,600
the last time we ever were good.
And it's like that, that clouds 

870
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,800
how that is now remembered. 
It's tough and and perspectives 

871
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,600
the hardest thing for sports 
fans. 

872
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:34,000
Yeah. 
Because again in the in the mind

873
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,800
of the IU basketball fan, who's 
been at it for a while. 

874
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,000
This is a premier program and in
the eyes of everybody else, this

875
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,500
is an also-ran this This is a 
program that is all hat and no 

876
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:50,700
cattle and to go to the 
tournament, two years in a row, 

877
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:53,500
to be a protected seed, 
hopefully to win, you know, two,

878
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:56,900
three, four games in. 
This tournament is a step 

879
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,800
forward, the the winning, the 
games part. 

880
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,600
But even the protected seed, 
part is a step forward. 

881
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:07,200
And you cannot, I think I think 
at least, you know, least I will

882
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,200
not judge them based upon what 
the final outcome was. 

883
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,600
I'm going to look more Okay, 
what was the overall season? 

884
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,900
Like how did that really work? 
And You Know, It ultimately for 

885
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,200
me, I'm excited that they've got
the opportunity to play this. 

886
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,700
I'm excited to get a chance to 
watch them. 

887
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:29,100
And I think that, as you said, 
we're just going to have to 

888
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,800
accept that this is part of the 
rebuilding of Indiana 

889
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,300
basketball. 
Maybe they take a big leap in 

890
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:37,000
the tournament this year. 
Maybe, it's maybe it's a tiny 

891
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
leap. 
They've already taken a leap by 

892
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,100
being in the position that 
they're in. 

893
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:44,900
Yeah, it's been rare in the last
20 years of Indiana basketball. 

894
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:47,300
So let's embrace it and let's 
see what all this is for that 

895
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:50,400
with the only third protected, 
seed, in 20 years 12. 

896
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:55,100
Yeah. 13 sick. 
Excuse me. 12 13 in this. 

897
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,700
Yeah, that's it 12:30. 
Yeah, that's, that's wild, isn't

898
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,300
it? 
Then you go back to its 02. 

899
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,500
So it's for in 02, they were 
five seed now, you're right. 

900
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,800
Yeah. 
So before that, it's not, it's 

901
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,900
01. 
And then you go back. 

902
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:09,400
You know what? 
That's what that's one thing, 

903
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,600
you know, we're back to you have
to go back to 1993 because they 

904
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,100
were a fire, I believe, they 
were Five seed, and I think I've

905
00:43:15,107 --> 00:43:17,400
ever actually ever foresee 294, 
sorry. 

906
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:20,300
So, but I mean, now we're 
talking 30 years ago. 

907
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:24,100
So like this is how rare this is
for Indiana to be in this 

908
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:25,800
position. 
And that's, that's just, I just 

909
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,200
want people to keep that in mind
and you can be upset. 

910
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,600
No, no. 
It's you can be upset if they 

911
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,600
lose their point be thrilled. 
If they win, this is rarified 

912
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,500
air for Indiana in college 
basketball. 

913
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,200
I just want everybody to keep 
that in mind. 

914
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,100
Yeah. 
So anyway, let's go in, that'll 

915
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:41,100
wrap it up. 
I, oh, I know I was doing our 

916
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:43,300
home field stick at the 
beginning and I just, I did. 

917
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,600
It just slipped my mind and it 
shouldn't have but home-field 

918
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,200
getting into the ni L game just 
released a whole women's 

919
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,200
basketball collection with a 
Grace Burger shirt Mackenzie 

920
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,900
home sure. 
Tom Mackenzie and Grace shirt a 

921
00:43:56,900 --> 00:44:00,400
Terry Moore and shirt like this 
is by these. 

922
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,600
Please, and get down here. 
I think tickets are sold out 

923
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,600
actually for the women's first 
and second round as they take on

924
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,600
the play-in game winner and then
Miami or somebody else. 

925
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,300
We might get a double Miami this
weekend, which I don't. 

926
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,700
I'm all Flicked it a little bit.
Yeah that's why I'm not I'm 

927
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:18,100
reading for Indiana and all of 
them but this is I was not 

928
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:21,100
expecting this to happen where 
it's like okay multiverses are 

929
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:22,300
popular. 
This is like the game of 

930
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,800
Multiverse brow lash. 
It's wild anyway, but Scott 

931
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,400
thanks for stopping by my house.
Yes. 

932
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,300
Made it very easy for me to 
record things and thanks to the 

933
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,400
dogs. 
Who finally settled down Nelson,

934
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,400
we gotta get in. 
Come on back and I'll sit 

935
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,800
skills. 
Getting you back to the trainer 

936
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,200
comes over here buddy. 
My God. 

937
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,800
Anyway thanks to all you folks 
for listening thanks to our 

938
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,300
friends at the back home 
network. 

939
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,800
And go Hoosiers will look 
forward to seeing Indiana in 

940
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,500
action as they take on Kent 
State in a few days. 

941
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:51,900
Bring back the Bison. 
So long, everybody. 

942
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,100
Someone's going to get mad at me
if I don't say it. 

943
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,600
Catch you folks on the flip 
side.