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Welcome back to Crimson cast, 

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the third of September of 2022. 
We're back once again and joyous

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Ian Scott, I you as a winning 
record there aren't a big 10 

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win. 
Feels like they're just start, 

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we haven't done enough podcast 
with IU, having a winning record

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in our whole span of time doing 
this and it's normally happens 

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around this time but it almost 
never happens with a win over a 

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Big Ten team to start a season, 
and that is certainly something 

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special. 
We got a lot to dig into with 

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this game. 
Indiana knocking off Illinois. 

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Last night. 
Lot of stuff in that. 

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Game and in the aftermath of the
game. 

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Scott, first of all, how are you
doing? 

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How was your experience? 
Are you are you, are you? 

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What's your Vibe right now, sir?
I'm good, I'm good. 

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It was, it was a fun experience.
We came down and tailgated, it 

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was actually funny. 
I'm walking down with my son, 

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picking them up from the bus. 
Stop. 

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I apologize for the longer 
story, but this is a great dad 

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story and I'm like, Hey, we're 
going to the game James, and I 

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was a kid. 
We can go to my friend Gibby, 

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uh, mister gheylens pot. 
You know, tailgate, we can go to

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our friend, Carolyn Jeff. 
Like we could do our own thing 

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just kind of he's like well 
nothing's better than tailgating

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with your dad is like you and I 
have to do it together and I'm 

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like how do you say no to that? 
It's like, guys, like I had not 

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planned on it so I got, we're 
going to Walmart, we're buying 

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the cheap Grill. 
We're buying a charcoal, so 

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bought all the stuff came on 
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Had a great time. 
I have some Grill questions for 

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you because I ended up getting 
like a cheap twelve dollar grill

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at Walmart, I left it there 
because we come back to drive 

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home and like Members are still 
hot and like I don't want to 

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fire my car for a 12 dollar 
Grill, but that we had a great 

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time. 
The crowd was students, brought 

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IT Crowd was really good and had
a great time. 

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Weather was fun. 
I mean, it was, it was a really 

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good time. 
Unfortunately, I'm that guy 

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having I have a nine-year-old, 
son. 

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I'm trying to end up 
indoctrinated into football 

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games at, you know, the 8:00 
kick with a slow-moving college 

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game. 
It's like, at 11:15. 

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My son was sleeping on me and 
it's like, this is not. 

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We have plans today. 
I don't want my entire A weekend

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to be. 
So I had to bring him home a 

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literally, but I listen to the 
game on the way home and got 

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home, just in time to watch the 
last drive. 

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There you go. 
Well, good timing. 

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On your part, you have fun times
for us as well up in Lot, 12. 

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As lot of people stop by the 
tailgate and then the game was, 

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it was an experience. 
I'm not entirely sure. 

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You're entirely sure. 
How I want to classify it in my 

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brain yet, but we'll try to dive
into that, on the podcast before

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we get to that. 
Just a reminder, that Crimson 

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Maybe that's the case. 
I don't particularly want to be 

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tailgate yesterday was wearing 
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Let's talk. 
About the game Scott. 

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So Indiana wins this one by the 
final score twenty three to 

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twenty and there's there's 
really a lot of stuff to think 

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about with this game and it's 
like, you can go. 

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I mean, first and foremost. 
Indiana winning is a big deal 

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especially when you consider all
of the things that we're going 

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into this game, you had 
obviously all of the doubt 

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around the program. 
With what happened last year, 

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going to and 10 winless in the 
conference, you have a new 

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quarterback, you have a new 
wider, new set of wide receivers

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basically, new starting running 
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You've got a lot of guys back 
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So you think you're going to be 
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But hard, to say, for sure? 
Because we haven't seen them 

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play? 
Well in a while, you have no 

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depth chart so nobody knows 
who's playing what and you've 

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got new coaches on The, you 
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were both offense and defense 
just a lot of stuff and you're 

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also playing in Illinois, team 
that frankly had a better year. 

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Year. 
Last year than Indiana. 

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Already played a game against 
Wyoming last week that they won.

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Pretty handily and it just 
seemed like a lot there that I. 

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You had to overcome as they 
thought about what this game was

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going to entail. 
And they I think the the bright 

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line item here obviously, is 
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Indiana did not play great and 
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this game and that by itself, I 
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lot of the Rationales as to, you
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I think we can start there and 
say, that is growth for this IU 

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team because that's exactly what
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last year. 
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about, you know, and it feels 
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another ayehu loss, where 
there's lots of opportunities to

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win and I'm thinking about what 
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know, today and I was going to 
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of narrative of, you know, how 
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But just give a little bit more 
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Like, it's got to get this, 
right, like, just a lot of the 

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stuff that you and I've dealt 
with over the years of like they

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lost, but, you know, we're 
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And, you know, Illinois is 
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You don't understand. 
It's like, I was going to kind 

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of come in really hot on that 
and lay out the eight things 

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that you should have done to to 
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And as you pointed out, we can 
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There's some things that 
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concerned for the season, but as
you look at this game, it's only

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fair. 
It's only right on the flip 

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side. 
If Would have been, you know, 

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that annoyed at, you know, 
talking about growth in a loss. 

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You just I feel like you have to
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This is a fan like we gotta win 
and for a program where we're at

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for last year. 
Like this was a game that you 

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just had to find a way to win 
and they did and yeah there was 

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a lot of things that could have 
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That probably shouldn't have 
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There are things that again are 
concerning for, you know, the 

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rest of the season but they got 
a win and they want a game and 

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this is going to propel them 
hopefully to to know maybe a 3-0

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record before. 
They go to Cincinnati but you 

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know they did what they couldn't
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against Michigan State last 
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where you have chances to win 
and they waited to the last one 

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they went to the last possible 
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So like, you know, to me the top
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largest Point font and then we 
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concerns. 
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Happy I'm excited. 
I'm happy for this team. 

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I'm is great to see, you know, 
Alan the team, get fired up. 

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It's like yes, like all that. 
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You've got to win your 
hopefully, moving in the right 

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direction. 
And so top level, you know, that

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is the main thing you gotta win.
You did what you had to do. 

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You beat a big 10 team. 
So yeah, that to me, that's the 

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top level thing. 
Yeah, I mean, and it was the way

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that it happened with Indiana, 
winning on the final drive of 

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the game essentially, and, you 
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12-play 75-yard Drive taking a 
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I mean, it was such a it was 
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if you were an Indiana fan 
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out immediately scores in the 
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kind of like it actually kind of
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into what I thought it was going
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was a game where neither offense
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You know, Illinois was moving 
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30s and then Indiana would 
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And we've seen that before like 
Tom Allen likes to play that 

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way. 
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first couple of years when he 
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bend? 
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They were letting a lot of yards
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letting it a lot of yards up 
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offensively I use offensive 
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Just it may have looked worse 
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if that was possible. 
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in the running game but the pass
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non-existent. 
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was just constantly trying to 
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That was open as early as 
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Possible. 
So we could avoid getting hit 

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but I give it to you. 
I'm very proud of my top level. 

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You preview, just talk about the
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Yeah. 
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This is really bad, you know? 
And so you look at that and you 

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say, well, there's a lot to be 
concerned about in terms of 

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those things, but What mattered 
in this game was the fact that 

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Indiana was able to stick 
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It looked like they had given it
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Illinois, drives down the field.
It looks like they could 

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potentially go in for a 
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They don't, they Kicking a field
goal and you I really felt like.

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Okay, the game is probably over 
at this point because we've not 

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seen anything this half from. 
I you that would make you think 

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they're going to move the ball 
down the field and yet somehow 

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they put together a drive and I 
think Connor basil lack in his 

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debut as an Indiana. 
Hoosier deserves a tremendous 

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amount of credit not just for 
making those throws but being 

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able to shake off. 
What had been a really bad 

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previous 30 minutes of play and 
get himself in the mindset? 

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Where he was just connecting 
with receivers. 

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I mean, this was the first debut
for an Indiana. 

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Starting quarterback where he 
throws for 300 yards since 

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antwaan, Randle, L against 
Western Michigan in 1998. 

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That's a long time. 
We're talking about their and 

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well, it's not a great, it's not
a great correlation, you gave 

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wise but you know, the night 
before you had a Purdue Penn 

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State game, where it kind of was
just devolving. 

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It's like, gosh, Purdue has a 
chance to win this and Penn 

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State's going to blow this and 
then Penn State makes OneDrive 

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wins the game. 
And, you know, you think about 

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it, like, very similarly here, 
you know? 

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I was thinking about that game 
going into the IU game, it's 

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like, Purdue's got to be kicking
themselves. 

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Like, damn, we had a chance to 
win, we didn't. 

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And if your Penn State, it's 
like all right, you know? 

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We probably played that a little
too close, but in the end, like 

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I know it's a road game versus 
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a similar feel like this is and 
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team that we're Penn State or 
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this is what teens who are 
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mistakes and they get themselves
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we're going to pull it back and 
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So to speak where he had it 
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Indiana was similar to Penn 
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on but it's much better to work 
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the no 11. 
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I mean, ultimately, there's a 
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the season. 
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a big 10 game, maybe that's 
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the end of the day, I think this
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They're not going to be able to 
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They're probably going to have 
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outside of, maybe the Idaho game
next week, you would expect them

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to play really well in that, and
maybe they can knock some of the

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rust off and things, but every 
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they're going to be matching up 
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least as strong as Illinois. 
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stronger, in the case of like 
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that you're probably not going 
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point leads. 
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for Indiana football in any 
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But I feel like especially this 
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team last year to be able to 
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belief covers a multitude of 
sin. 

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It really does make a big 
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they're actually able to do and 
it can allow you to do things 

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that maybe you wouldn't normally
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And having a win under your belt
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And so I look, I look at the 
when Illinois, scored that 

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field, goal that subsequent 
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probability was 90.5% and so for
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take the ball down the field and
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that win probability clip. 
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The game, is that they won the 
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improbable. 
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hopefully help them from a 
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As they move ahead, one a 
Connor, Bay's lack thought. 

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So the the telling you, before 
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move seats one. 
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but it's and he's very loud, 
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So I can't really, you know, 
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offense is coming out and he's 
telling his wife. 

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She's like, I wonder who 
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know, there's no depth chart but
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Tuttle like, you know, Tuttle 
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you got to loot you you got to 
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It's like he's done. 
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then phase lag comes out. 
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And so then the first play is 
that little, you know, that 

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little Flair steel, Flex screen 
and he just gets the receiver. 

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I think it was Shiver drivers 
drivers. 

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Yeah just gets blown up the guy 
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Like man total would have read 
that like total wooden to put 

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that nut. 
Position. 

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Like total would have seen that 
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Would hit the Deep kind of like,
what are you talking about? 

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Like, okay. 
Yeah, knocking title. 

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But it's not like they paying 
you for this analysis are like 

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god. 
Wow, that's that's that's it. 

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Did was there it? 
Was there a brace available so 

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that he could deal with the 
Whiplash of that. 

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But, but, but I will say it to 
your point like, beige black 

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looked for, as, as much pressure
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little the offensive line, which
Getting him, you know, any kind 

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of blocking. 
He looked calm out there like it

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didn't feel like he was running 
around or making quick 

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decisions. 
We had a couple of work. 

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He threw some really good passes
under duress and threw it in the

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right spot. 
He's got a nice deep ball, he's,

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you know, tight with the ball. 
He overthrows it a little bit. 

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So it was a lot of guys in 
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talk about that pick at the 
beginning of the second, half of

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that was a huge Turning Point 
table. 

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Just a high throw. 
But, you know, I I think that 

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your point is, is needs to be 
taken also. 

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With the huge caveat in a 
positive direction, as well. 

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This is a guy who gets 300 
yards. 

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Passing your average is six 
yards, a pass and he's also the 

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leading has the longest run of 
anybody on IU. 

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He has a 12 yard run. 
You know, he only gets 32 yards 

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of rushing behind him of which 
he brought 12, so there was only

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20 yards of rushing. 
That he had supporting the Run 

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game. 
So, I mean, you talk about a 

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team that knows like, we're 
going to be throwing a lot. 

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They know that and Illinois knew
that and he still got 300 yards.

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So it's like that has to be 
brought. 

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It's not like, oh, he did that 
with you at Evan Coleman, you 

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know, getting 185 yards behind 
him. 

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It's like that, that really 
threw the defense office like, 

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no. 
Like, he was also the leading 

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rusher. 
It's like there's way more 

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Parallels for Randall. 
L, or it's like, I don't think 

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of Base like as a guy, you know,
with his feet. 

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But it's like, I wouldn't have 
bet money on a 300 yard game 

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passing. 
Plus longest rush for Bay's. 

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Lack going into this game. 
Yeah, no it's a basil. 

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Act did a really good job. 
And look, I think part of the 

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problem part of the trepidation 
of the, the previews of the 

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season is you didn't know what 
Connor basil, act. 

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You were getting. 
You really didn't know what he 

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was going to be able to do, 
because frankly they're just 

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what there wasn't a lot of 
material there to go off of in 

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terms of, you know, I mean he 
getting freshman year or 

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sophomore year Basil act from 
from Mizzou, is he going to be 

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able to step right in? 
And he's working with a bunch of

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receivers. 
He's never worked with before. 

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And this was about, the best 
case scenario that you would be 

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expecting for a guy making his 
first start in a, not ideal 

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situation from a blocking 
perspective. 

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Certainly. 
And also, you know, just not 

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knowing his targets and not 
quite understanding what all is 

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going on. 
And so, I think that you got to 

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be really optimistic about that.
And I hope that his protection 

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improves. 
I do worry with any and this, he

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does to. 
I mean, it's one of those 

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things. 
It's like the number of injuries

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that I, you quarterbacks have 
suffered over the last decade 

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whether it was Trey, Ro J. 
K+ tray, Robeson ornate sud, 

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felled, or obviously Michael 
penix multiple times. 

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You are the only guy I can't 
think of ever actually getting 

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injured was Peyton Ramsey, but 
he was just kind of built in a 

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way that it was unlikely. 
He was also pretty smart with 

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the ball and with him, Self, you
know. 

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But it's a dangerous job of 
being how you quarterback, you 

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should get like Hazard pay or 
some better level of workman's 

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comp. 
And so I do hope that the 

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protection improves because I 
think when he's given time to 

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throw and scan the field, he's 
demonstrated already. 

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He can make pretty much all the 
throws that you would want a 

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starting quarterback to make and
the difference. 

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And this is where the Tuttle 
thing. 

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Kind of surprises me. 
A little bit from the your 

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newfound friend in the stands. 
It's like we've seen Jack 

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Tuttle. 
Be a serviceable quarterback. 

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You know, that Wisconsin game, 
the the Maryland game in 2020 

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they had to come in and, and 
play in even I mean he obviously

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had the shoulder issue in the 
Ole Miss game. 

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But then, You didn't really see 
him, making throws like that. 

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Like a lot of his throws were 
high, especially in like, the 

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Michigan State game and some of 
the others that you saw last 

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year. 
He just hasn't really as of yet 

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and maybe he will develop into 
this eventually, but he has not 

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demonstrated that intangible was
actually pretty tangible but 

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that thing that's hard to 
describe about quarterbacks when

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they are in the pocket and the 
ball comes out and it goes 

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exactly where it's supposed to 
go. 

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That you know, you can always 
tell when you have a quarterback

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that can't do that and it's also
So one of the cool things and I 

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think I said this after like the
third or the fourth row, not too

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shy Ivar's. 
One on the first play, 

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obviously, but the way that he 
was started throwing, I was like

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almost immediately. 
Okay, this guy's got it. 

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There's some Secret Sauce here 
that I think will be helpful 

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for. 
Are you moving forward? 

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Unfortunately, to your point 
where you say, I hope that the 

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line play gets better for him. 
There's really no history of our

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line play. 
Normally is what it is and then 

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gets worse throughout the year. 
That's kind of been the history.

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Why and play? 
I think, ever since I've watched

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IU football, he remember a year 
where it's like man, they're 

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really blocking better. 
They did it September. 

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Yeah. 
So unfortunately like that and 

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this is where we can start 
talking about some of the things

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that are a little bit concerning
or some alarms. 

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As like the line play did not 
look fantastic. 

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You know you talk about rushing 
this is you know chivers for 

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what you know 15 carries for 28 
yards, average of one point nine

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Henderson, you know six yards. 
This is also you know it all 

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Annoyed team that gave up 182 
yards to Wyoming the year before

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their sorry, the week before, 
you know why? 

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Tell me having a guy with you 
averaging five point eight yards

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a carry another one averaging 
nine point five yards a carry so

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it's not like you're playing, 
you know, the Alabama defensive 

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line here. 
The fact there is very little 

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running and it's not like it's a
game that we were down, twenty 

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five, we had to throw all the 
time, like the line play is one 

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thing and the ability to get 
runs or just even Again, it's 

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like the I've seen this so many 
times that I, you fan, where I 

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don't even know where the I 
can't blame the running back. 

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I don't know where you're 
supposed to go. 

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Like, there's not a hole and, 
you know, people are like, why 

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is dancing around? 
It's like, well, because there's

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no, the whole That was supposed 
to be there is not there well. 

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Now he's trying to figure out 
like, what do I do when it's 

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like, I'm supposed to run 
forward. 

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There's not a whole and so much 
try and hope something happens. 

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But this is a, it's a massive 
flashing red light. 

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It's like the on your car, the, 
the beacon is going, Going off 

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like you know engine problem 
take you to the dealer. 

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It's something that is very 
concerning it is and the number 

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of running plays that went 
outside because clearly there is

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zero trust in the guard Center 
guard. 

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Combo to block on the interior. 
Yeah, I mean it was it was 

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amazing watching in person from 
The End Zone the way that all of

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that came to be because it 
you're just, you're looking at 

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it and you're like, what They 
have to do this but watch how it

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gets to a point again after the 
last couple of years with the 

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offensive line, being as bad as 
it's been in, really both run 

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blocking and pass blocking that 
you're coming into this year and

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you're playing Illinois. 
Who's I mean, you know, there 

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are big 10 team but in total 
talent in level of defensive 

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line you're talking about, 
probably a bottom, three team, 

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I'm guessing. 
Maybe it's like Illinois, 

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Indiana Anna and Rutgers perhaps
Wyoming average. 

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Five point nine yards arush 
against right and and you know 

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sort of average 1.2 yards rush 
for the whole game to 

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essentially and that's what 12 
on a quarterback scramble and 

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I'd be like I know not 
immaterial when you're talking 

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about 32 total yards got you. 
If you took that out you're 

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probably you're averaging less 
than 1.2 maybe. 

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Yeah, it's not maybe you're 
definitely your. 

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I mean, it's absolutely 
incredible and I think if you're

446
00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:45,800
going to be the rain cloud on 
the parade of this game, I think

447
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,600
it's very, very reasonable and 
legitimate to say, look what 

448
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,400
they won the game and they 
deserve credit for that. 

449
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,200
But wow, this is this is a line 
that is not going to be 

450
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,300
functional moving forward if 
it's going to play like that 

451
00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:01,900
now. 
Yes you've got, you know, a 

452
00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:04,500
first game maybe there's some 
Jitters there but the flip side 

453
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,200
of that is ultimately, this is 
about the second or third. 

454
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,100
Easiest game, you're going to 
play all year. 

455
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:13,300
Probably, maybe the fourth, he's
I don't know. 

456
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:17,000
It depends on where in Illinois 
ends up landing and you got to 

457
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,700
play Idaho next week. 
So you're not going to get a lot

458
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,800
of tuned up there. 
This is like the one of the more

459
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,500
experienced groups of players on
the team in terms of returning 

460
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:29,300
people that have played together
and there's just not a lot of 

461
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:32,700
optimism right now on this front
and so I think it's going to 

462
00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:36,400
take a lot of adaptation from 
Walt Del the offensive 

463
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,800
coordinator to figure out. 
Okay, I got a scheme around this

464
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:42,100
because Cuz once again, the 
early returns, do not look 

465
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,100
positive on this line. 
And I don't think there's a fix.

466
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,600
I mean, you've already started 
the season. 

467
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,200
It's not like you're going to 
somehow watch the line blossom 

468
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,700
into this amazing thing. 
Especially, if Matthew bedford's

469
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:53,800
out. 
I mean, he goes down and what 

470
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800
look like a non-contact injury 
in the first quarter. 

471
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,900
That's bad news because, you 
know, that's a guy that, if you 

472
00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:02,500
were going to pick a bright spot
of the line out, maybe he's, you

473
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:05,300
know, one of the two that you 
would pick out so that only 

474
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:08,000
makes things potentially worse 
and it also worsens one of the 

475
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,400
edge blockers as opposed to 
Problems being mostly in the 

476
00:24:10,408 --> 00:24:13,600
middle. 
So that, you know, it needs to 

477
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,800
be mentioned and it's something 
that is absolutely a concern as 

478
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,600
this iut moves forward because 
they're just not going to be 

479
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,700
able to survive and keep people 
healthy. 

480
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:25,700
If they try to win games the way
that they tried to, they had to 

481
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,200
win this one. 
I'm glad they won this one. 

482
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,400
I think they deserve credit for 
it, but that's that's not that, 

483
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,300
that's not one of those like 
annual return yields. 

484
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:35,800
That's probably going to be very
positive. 

485
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,400
Yeah, I will also say this like 
just being a Taking a positive 

486
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,400
spin on this though is it was 
nice to see what we'll know more

487
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,100
about Walt Bell and how he runs 
his offense when we get a couple

488
00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:51,500
more games under our belt, but 
it did seem like he understood 

489
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:55,000
that line issue very early on 
and then did something we 

490
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,400
haven't seen in two years. 
Not to mention who you Sparrow 

491
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000
coordinator made adjustments 
during the game and ran 

492
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,800
different types of play. 
We saw a couple option plays, 

493
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,700
you know, it's like, you could 
see it's like, oh, this is not 

494
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,100
working. 
I'm going to try something new 

495
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:10,600
and Playbook in a different 
part. 

496
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,100
I'm going to I'm going to turn 
the tab, go to a different color

497
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:14,300
page. 
We're going to try something 

498
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:17,400
else and that was really nice to
see. 

499
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,300
I also appreciated the pace. 
I like them coming up. 

500
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:25,200
I liked seeing a team that took 
advantage of situations. 

501
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,900
What I mean and I can't think of
a situation in the past, I feel 

502
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,200
like it's happened. 
Many times under Sheridan, where

503
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:34,300
we'd come to the line, the up, 
the defense was not set and then

504
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,100
we'd to be about ready to hike 
it and we pull back and look for

505
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:38,800
the play because like that's 
what we're supposed to do, and 

506
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,700
it's a goal. 
Like the defense is already like

507
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,900
run the play. 
And there is two or three times 

508
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,200
last night where Illinois was 
doing these massive you three or

509
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,400
four people, you know, shifts 
after our substitutions after 

510
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,000
every play and early in the 
first quarter there is one words

511
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,600
like we lined up and you could 
tell they IU was not going to 

512
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,900
snap it but they snapped it 
because like it was not ready 

513
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,200
and it's like we took advantage 
of that. 

514
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,600
They I like the pace, the 
offense play with a nothing 

515
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,000
drives. 
Me more drives me more nuts than

516
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,100
when we used to get to the line 
and like get set and then pull 

517
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,500
back and like get the play. 
It's What what are we doing? 

518
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,900
Like, I like the pace. 
I like the seeing different 

519
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:14,800
types of play. 
So I will say in a positive 

520
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,900
note, you know, the early 
returns from what I've seen from

521
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:21,800
Walt Bell thus far have been 
much better that we had the last

522
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,000
two years. 
It was absolutely reminiscent of

523
00:26:25,008 --> 00:26:28,400
Kevin Wilson in the early days. 
Yeah, I mean, really was, I felt

524
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,900
like I was back in 2012 again 
and it was, it was fun, it 

525
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:35,200
really? 
I mean and it was it would have 

526
00:26:35,208 --> 00:26:39,200
been more fun if they had been 
better on offense in terms. 

527
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:45,000
Of having a running game but I 
will say that they got as our 

528
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
friends. 
A kosterman often says they did 

529
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,400
a good job of getting some 
athletes in space at times. 

530
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,900
That DJ Matthews touchdown was 
really well, delivered cam 

531
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:59,000
camper who sounds like a 
creative player, you know, from 

532
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,000
a name perspective, from a video
game, you know, 11, catches 156 

533
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,700
yards, 14.2 yards per catch it 
three guys who were Were 10 

534
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:12,900
yards per catch, Emery Simmons, 
had 11 yards per catch Matthews 

535
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:16,800
with 15 and a half and AJ Barner
play. 

536
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,600
Okay, I think he could have been
a little bit better, but he was 

537
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,700
there as a safety valve and a 
couple of points. 

538
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:26,000
I mean it was nice to see, are 
you spreading things around a 

539
00:27:26,008 --> 00:27:28,900
little bit and getting the ball 
to multiple receivers. 

540
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:33,800
And you could clearly tell that 
there was a lot of effort placed

541
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,700
on trying to get the ball in the
interior of the defense about 

542
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,600
five to seven yards down past. 
At that first level and they did

543
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,800
a good job. 
I think of mixing it up like you

544
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,500
said, and making some 
adjustments based on what 

545
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,600
Illinois was trying to do 
throughout the course of the 

546
00:27:47,608 --> 00:27:49,200
game. 
So yeah, I was I was really 

547
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,300
pleased with what I saw all 
around from, from that. 

548
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,700
And, you know, I think it's 
still too early to say, oh, 

549
00:27:55,700 --> 00:28:01,900
yeah, Walt Belgrade higher 
simply because we don't know how

550
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,700
I mean. 
We've got one game so far, what 

551
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:09,600
we've seen Walt belt coach for 
IU in and there will be a Spoons

552
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,000
made. 
Because now everybody knows what

553
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,600
Bells going to do if there was 
any benefit to keeping 

554
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,500
everything, so close to the 
vest, that's kind of out the 

555
00:28:16,508 --> 00:28:18,400
window now. 
So, now what sorts of 

556
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,700
adjustments does he make? 
And how does this line fix 

557
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,600
itself? 
Because I think you're never 

558
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000
going to see a fully unlocked 
offense here, unless you're able

559
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,300
to rush the ball a little bit 
and 26 carries for 32 yards is 

560
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:31,900
just not going to get the job 
done over the course of the 

561
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,300
season and so we'll see what 
happens with that. 

562
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:38,200
But one other thing I'll stay on
the offense and then I want to 

563
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,500
talk about the defense a bit is,
as you go through and you think 

564
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:47,200
about the way that I use drives,
went a lot of it. 

565
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:53,000
I think, you know, the the 
second half it was the thing 

566
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,700
that was fascinating to me was 
just how difficult it will annoy

567
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:02,900
was able to make it on Indiana 
in terms of getting a whole lot 

568
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:06,500
of time to themselves and I keep
going back to that last Drive. 

569
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,400
That they put together and what 
I found fascinating about. 

570
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:17,900
It was how effectively basil a 
con that drive was able to see 

571
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,200
the field. 
Where is that really didn't seem

572
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,300
to be the case on the rest of 
the drives in that second half? 

573
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,300
And I'm I just keep coming back 
to this idea. 

574
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,800
Like, what was the trigger point
there, that allowed things to 

575
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,900
work out the way that they did? 
I mean, obviously sometimes it's

576
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,800
like, well, you know, rubber 
hits the road, every play 

577
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,500
slightly better in that last 
drive, but I am curious, if they

578
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,000
Were holding stuff in reserve 
until they got like down to a 

579
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
point where they had two minutes
left and it's like, all right. 

580
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,100
We're going to because I felt 
like they were doing a lot of in

581
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,400
breaking stuff. 
They were doing a lot of stuff 

582
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,400
that was really like even higher
Tempo than what we'd seen 

583
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,400
earlier on in the game. 
And you know, it was all it was 

584
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200
essentially just all camper and 
Matthews all the way down the 

585
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,800
field. 
I mean, you look at the chain of

586
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,200
things, Matthew's six yards 
incomplete, pass to Matthews 12,

587
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,600
yard pass to Matthews three. 
Our pasta Matthews 17-yard, 

588
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:10,500
Stick a incomplete to camper 14 
yards to Matthews, nine yards to

589
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:14,000
camper nine yards, to Matthews 
incomplete to camper, and then 

590
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
the scramble. 
And then the touchdown. 

591
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,600
It's like that's that's like I'm
going to push all my chips into 

592
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,300
the table on this particular 
thing and it worked. 

593
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:27,900
And you know I'm just that's I 
don't it feels like we haven't 

594
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,400
seen that in a few years where 
it's like we're just going to 

595
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,100
zero in on these two guys and 
say you cannot stop one or the 

596
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,200
other, they're getting the ball 
and every play and and it really

597
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,800
seemed like Illinois, couldn't 
stop that. 

598
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,700
So I do give you credit for it. 
I just think it's kind of an 

599
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,100
interesting sequence, the 
collective which I don't feel 

600
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,700
like we've seen that much 
without you. 

601
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,000
It was really nice to see DJ 
Matthews come back. 

602
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,500
I was kind of where he left off 
last year because last year he 

603
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:56,800
was looking like he was going to
be our number-one receiver. 

604
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,000
Maybe he was at the time and 
then just kind of went down the 

605
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,800
freak injury so it was great to 
see him. 

606
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,900
Come back at that long play. 
It's also interesting. 

607
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,000
This is Kind of goes into, you 
know, the two things I love to 

608
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,100
hate the most is recruiting. 
And then, you know, spring 

609
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,600
practice and fall practice. 
Updates is parched partially, I 

610
00:31:14,608 --> 00:31:17,000
fully get it. 
Like we had, you know, we're not

611
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,100
media. 
But the media had zero 

612
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,900
information on depth charge or 
how people were doing. 

613
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,800
So people kind of just, you 
know, went wild, but a lot of 

614
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,500
talk about Donovan McCauley and 
he's so tall and I moved to wide

615
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,500
receiver and he, you know, 
everyone's got a bad night, 

616
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,600
maybe it wasn't his number to be
called, but he had, you know, 

617
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,000
one reception 41-yard, it was 
basically under unnoticeable 

618
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,200
there and it's going, it's going
to be interesting to see, you 

619
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,200
know, especially a game like 
Idaho. 

620
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800
Does he get some, you know, 
attempts like it would be just a

621
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
weird move if, you know, you 
have this super high level 

622
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,300
recruit and everyone talking 
about what a great recruiter as 

623
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,500
a quarterback in the to come in 
and be like, oh he looks over 

624
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,700
Master quarterback, love them, 
wide receiver, that's the great 

625
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:59,200
move and then if he just becomes
a non-factor and again it's one 

626
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,400
game but I just that is 
something I want to keep an eye 

627
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,700
on is like is McCully going to 
move up at least become one of 

628
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:08,200
the you know, higher too? 
Because you're right, if nothing

629
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,200
else that's often showed in one 
game that you know, Walt Bell 

630
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,400
has the receivers that he likes 
and that he trusts and right now

631
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,700
it's camper and you know, 
Matthews Junior like those are 

632
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,800
the guys when it was a final 
drive time, those are the guys 

633
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,400
who are getting the call and 
nobody else and so, you know, it

634
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,900
makes you wonder like, it's just
going to be a team that spreads 

635
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:29,500
it around. 
I'm just, I'm curious to see 

636
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,200
where where McCulley fits in 
moving forward. 

637
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,500
I get that and I understand 
where you're coming from, but 

638
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,400
But I am not sure if that's fair
because it's the first game that

639
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,300
he's ever played at the college 
level at that position and it 

640
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:49,700
was clear. 
I think that Matthews and camper

641
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:54,000
were the guys that were easily 
getting open. 

642
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800
And I think and I looks like 
Simmons is like the third guy 

643
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,600
there it. 
So you've got, you've got to 

644
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
start in group that are more 
experienced. 

645
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,100
I look at McCully and I say, if 
he's, if he makes one or two 

646
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,000
games of really sizable, 
Contributions this year where he

647
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,600
catches you know, four or five 
balls, maybe breaks are for a 

648
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,800
touchdown or is able. 
I really think like what he 

649
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,000
brings to the table. 
We don't know really what his 

650
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,800
speed looks like, but I think 
where he will be really 

651
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,700
effective is on fade routes or 
sideline routes or things where 

652
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:28,500
I you has to throw the ball 
above defensive backs. 

653
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,600
And you can have a 65 guy, go up
and get it. 

654
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,200
And that just really wasn't a 
scenario that played out. 

655
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,300
I honestly think like if they 
don't get that third Goal, 

656
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,900
touchdown him. 
I like him because he is because

657
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:43,300
I mean, he's this guy is at the 
size or at least the height of a

658
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:45,400
tight end. 
I think you could have seen him 

659
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,200
getting integrated there, but at
the end of the day, there are 

660
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,500
better options for IU from a 
receiving perspective. 

661
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,100
And I think that, you know, for 
this one you want to make sure 

662
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,700
he's moving into that role 
slowly. 

663
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,900
So that you're not putting too 
much pressure on him and I will 

664
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:02,000
say it's nice. 
That I use seems to have some 

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,500
depth at wide receiver. 
Again, where they can afford to 

666
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,500
not throw him into the fire and 
then That is not actually 

667
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:10,600
prepped. 
Anyway, let's talk defense this 

668
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,199
defense we had some questions 
from last year. 

669
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,199
We weren't sure exactly how 
things were going to play out 

670
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,400
that they took a big step back 
in terms of they forced a lot of

671
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,600
turnovers in 2019 and 2020. 
And they really didn't last 

672
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,600
year, they struggled to shut 
down teams at key points and it 

673
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,600
wasn't like the defense was 
awful awful. 

674
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,600
I mean that sort of happened at 
the end of the season but the 

675
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,900
early and middle part of the 
season, the defense was put into

676
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:39,000
a lot of bad. 
Bad situations by the offense 

677
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,000
here that happened again. 
But I really liked what I saw 

678
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,900
out of the defense for almost 
the whole game. 

679
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,500
The fact that they were able to 
force three turnovers, they 

680
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:52,800
technically forced for but that 
last one doesn't count. 

681
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,699
It was a fumble on the last play
of the game, you know. 

682
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:00,700
But to to be able to force, you 
know, a fumble. 

683
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,600
There was that Drive-In. 
What was it in? 

684
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,500
Like it was I think it was the 
third quarter. 

685
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Of course, the end of the third 
quarter where, you know, they 

686
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,400
get all the way down to the 
Indiana, 20 yard line and then 

687
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,600
DeVito fumbles the ball and I 
you picks it up. 

688
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600
And that kills a drive that 
almost certainly would have 

689
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,800
resulted in at least a field 
goal attempt, if not a touchdown

690
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,600
attempt. 
I you with that play with the, 

691
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,600
with the shutting down Illinois 
and the goal line situation that

692
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600
should count as a turnover as 
well, you know, That was really,

693
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,900
really cool to see this Indiana 
defense kind of get its mojo 

694
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,400
back, a little bit and assert 
itself. 

695
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,300
And this was something we talked
about in our pre-season podcast 

696
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,900
where it's like you know, this 
is if Indiana is going to win 

697
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:53,400
this year. 
It's probably not going to come 

698
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,000
from the offense. 
It's going to be the defense 

699
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,400
putting them in position. 
Keeping the other team out of 

700
00:35:57,408 --> 00:36:00,100
the end zone, keeping them to 
field goals and I really feel 

701
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:04,000
like we saw a lot of that in 
this game, great game by cam 

702
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,700
Jones, you know, I think he 
finished with what Of tackles, 

703
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,200
which was almost double, what 
anybody else, had no appear at a

704
00:36:11,207 --> 00:36:15,100
great game, you get a couple of 
sacks rather what they ended up 

705
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,400
with three sacks on the game 
overall and you get an 

706
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
interception out of dress 
sanguinetti like overall. 

707
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,800
I felt really good especially 
about the back seven but overall

708
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,000
just a good effort by this 
defense in total. 

709
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,500
I'll take a different approach 
but gets the same answer as you 

710
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,900
had the again. 
What I didn't like to see was 

711
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:38,800
after half time you come out 
you're up 9:44 you throw an 

712
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200
interception on the second play 
not great. 

713
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,700
It happens. 
That was a great time for the 

714
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:47,000
defense to kind of pick you up 
and keep it you know keep it to 

715
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,400
16 213 if they can but you know 
you have Illinois and five plays

716
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,600
gets a touchdown, some of your 
down. 1716, it was Little bit, 

717
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,600
you know, worrisome like, oh my 
God, we're coming out of 

718
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,800
halftime again. 
Looking sloppy, the defense, 

719
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
just kind of let Illinois, you 
know, push them around and get 

720
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,400
right in there and score a 
touchdown. 

721
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,900
It's like that really killed the
Mojo of most the second half. 

722
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,800
But when you look at the 
defense, the rest of the second,

723
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,000
half after that touchdown play, 
it's a punt. 

724
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,100
It's a fumble. 
It's de turnover on Downs, it's 

725
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,100
an interception. 
It's a field goal. 

726
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:25,100
That's why they held didn't 
break, and then it's a fumble. 

727
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:26,700
Like, that's a great second 
half. 

728
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,400
After a bad first series right 
after halftime. 

729
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,500
So to your point yes. 
Like they they really stepped it

730
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:37,800
up and they had to him and that 
he was 17, 16 obviously until it

731
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,300
was 2016 but any one of those 
are you had again punt. 

732
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,000
Fumble turnover on Downs. 
Interception field goal you had 

733
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,500
four series there where I think 
any one of those if there's 

734
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,200
points, you know, obviously it 
one more field goal would have 

735
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,700
tied the game at the end, but it
does feed it be. 

736
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,500
They're watching the game. 
It felt like any points could 

737
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:04,000
have pushed it over the edge, 
and any kind of touchdown felt 

738
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,800
like that might have been the 
game at that point. 

739
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800
And so did feel like the game 
was in the balance in the 

740
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,800
defense held tight for basically
the rest of the second half. 

741
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,000
So I've with you I was I was 
really happy to see that again. 

742
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,900
There's would like to see us 
come out a little bit crisper 

743
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,200
right out of halftime, but 
again, let's work on that. 

744
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:23,200
Yeah, I mean you're gonna 
ultimately I think see the 

745
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,300
defense get better and it'll 
look I mean we're According this

746
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:31,100
on Saturday afternoon, I mean 
Tom Allen takes the defense back

747
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,200
over and and there's some I 
think good and bad with that. 

748
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,400
It's a different style from what
we are used to with quinoa. 

749
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,000
Make it's certainly different 
from last year and I think more 

750
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,600
successful Charlton Warren. 
His DC is now I think the 

751
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,300
coordinator at North Carolina 
they just gave up 61 points and 

752
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:49,700
they won but they gave up 61 
points. 

753
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:53,400
So I think Indiana made the 
right choice here. 

754
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:57,500
All things considered and moving
on and so I do tip My cap to 

755
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,400
Alan for being able to motivate 
that defense and put them in a 

756
00:39:00,408 --> 00:39:03,500
position where they could be 
this level of successful. 

757
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,700
And you know look again it's 
Illinois it's not a great 

758
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,100
opponent from an offensive 
perspective, it might be one of 

759
00:39:10,107 --> 00:39:12,700
the three or four worst 
offenses, that Indiana will face

760
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,800
this year but it's a nice 
starting point. 

761
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,000
And the fact that they're 
generating turnovers again is 

762
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,200
really good to see because I 
think that so much of this 

763
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,000
defense is ability to change 
games comes out of their 

764
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,100
ability. 
To change fields and get get the

765
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:35,200
other team's offense off balance
by creating turnovers and 

766
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,500
creating doubt in what they're 
doing. 

767
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:41,200
So, just in general, I like that
start and I think honestly that 

768
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,000
is probably going to be what 
carries Indiana through the 

769
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
early stages. 
If they're going to obviously 

770
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Idaho is more of a fine-tuning 
game one would hope, but I think

771
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,200
if they're going to beat Western
Kentucky, it's going to start 

772
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,200
with their defense giving their 
offense enough time to put 

773
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,700
together, momentum and 
confidence. 

774
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:00,400
In what they're doing and so 
that we'll have probably have to

775
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,300
be what it goes along with until
the offensive line either gets 

776
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:08,700
it stuff together or Walt Bell, 
figures out, how to reconstruct 

777
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,700
the approach to try to game plan
around that as much as best he 

778
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,200
can. 
Yeah. 

779
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,600
But if I go back to his like, 
OneDrive really changes the view

780
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,000
of this game because if Indiana 
comes up short or, you know, we 

781
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,700
just go out on Downs or, you 
know, you said, we we don't get 

782
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,200
it on that. 
Fourth down, third down, play we

783
00:40:25,207 --> 00:40:26,700
go to 4th and we, you know, drop
a pass. 

784
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,400
In The End Zone. 
You know, we're having a 

785
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,000
different talk about the defense
today, honestly were just like, 

786
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,200
you know, it didn't do enough. 
I can't give up 20 points like, 

787
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,300
you know, you gotta hold them 
after it, is it, you start 

788
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:41,500
looking at all of the mistakes 
and all of the problems and it 

789
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,900
could become a snake. 
Eating its own tail very quickly

790
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,400
and so it it was a game you 
really couldn't lose. 

791
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,300
Not again back to the initial 
point. 

792
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,100
I wasn't ready for a moral 
Victory. 

793
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,800
So it's a well that you really 
had to win and they found a way 

794
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,700
to win. 
And look, I also think it's 

795
00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:01,200
important to mention That 
ultimately I you I mean got 

796
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,200
something we always complain 
about is I, you not baked 

797
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,300
getting the benefit of calls and
I you benefited from a couple of

798
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,200
calls in this game where you're 
just, you look go back and look 

799
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,000
at it. 
Like the touchdown that didn't 

800
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,900
count that should have been 
should have been a touchdown, I 

801
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:20,100
don't know, I still don't know. 
And then keep in mind, you know,

802
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:23,300
for those of you who go to the 
games, you lose a lot of context

803
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:26,300
that those of you who are 
watching at home, get because 

804
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,700
you've got cameras everywhere. 
There's no replays of note in 

805
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,800
Memorial Stadium at this point. 
I don't know what happened with 

806
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,900
that 12 men on the field that, 
you know, where they just 

807
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,700
essentially canceled the play. 
Yeah, and said, there's no, I'm 

808
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:39,500
TV. 
That's why I was driving over 

809
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:40,400
that. 
They even the TV. 

810
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,800
They're like, I've never heard 
of play. 

811
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,700
Be canceled. 
Is a the, the umpires mic wasn't

812
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:46,000
working. 
So they're all right. 

813
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,700
Like, what we're all doing. 
What he said. 

814
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,700
It's like, I guess the play was 
cancelled, like I guess the 

815
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:51,800
plate is didn't happen. 
We were we were all standing 

816
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,300
there because it like you said, 
there was no Mike. 

817
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:56,200
And so it's like, what, what? 
Exactly occurred here and I 

818
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,000
still don't Good explanation on 
that. 

819
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,500
And so I look I use gotten 
screwed by Big Ten officiating 

820
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:07,400
enough times in its history. 
I am I I have no sympathy for 

821
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,700
Illinois fans or their team on 
this at all. 

822
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:14,500
Like this is just occasionally 
this good things have to happen 

823
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,600
to Indiana when it comes to 
officiating. 

824
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,100
So I guess this means we can't 
complain when these same things 

825
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,600
happen against Michigan, or Ohio
State later this year, which 

826
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,800
almost certainly will occur 
because it happens every year, 

827
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
but There was also a play in the
first half for us. 

828
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,600
It was my buddy. 
Tom is like, a defensive shift 

829
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,800
or something? 
Like I don't know. 

830
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:33,900
I'm not sure what they called 
and we're like, I don't know. 

831
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:35,900
And like my joke is always been 
two things. 

832
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,300
First off with IU, I've seen 
things called at IU games, I've 

833
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,900
never seen call, but I remember 
five or six years ago, we had 

834
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,300
two players with the same 
number. 

835
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:46,100
It's like, I didn't, I guess, I 
guess that's a rule. 

836
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:47,300
Like I didn't know that was a 
rule. 

837
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,600
And then my joke, always is 
like, as my wife was learning 

838
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,700
more, the intricacies of 
football, we'd go to IU games 

839
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:58,200
that I realize, like I shouldn't
be Teaching you football with IU

840
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,100
because every these questions 
like what does that rule? 

841
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,200
Like I don't know. 
Because actually never heard 

842
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,700
that rule before, I'm not sure. 
And then there'll be things. 

843
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,900
Like, remember one time she 
like, well why would you punch 

844
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,700
it there? 
I'm like well, you know I'm like

845
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:11,200
punching get some yardstick. 
Well, our pump will only went 22

846
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,000
yards like why not just throw 
and take a shot? 

847
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,300
I'm like, yes it, yes. 
Again, let's watch Alabama. 

848
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:18,900
Like that's how football 
supposed to be out but yeah, 

849
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,900
again weird weird calls but yes,
don't feel bad for anybody else 

850
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:24,500
in the Big Ten they can suck on 
it. 

851
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,900
That's right. 
So anyway any other thoughts 

852
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:32,400
from the game overall? 
Anything else that stuck out to 

853
00:43:32,408 --> 00:43:33,400
you. 
You just brought it. 

854
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,700
Yeah, I do just brought it, they
were fantastic. 

855
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,200
The crowd was awesome. 
It's funny. 

856
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,100
I was joking after halftime my 
buddy, Tom group Bloomington 

857
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:43,400
with he hasn't been to a game in
a while was like this for the 

858
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,600
students are coming back because
now like that that's kind of the

859
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,700
way it rolls here. 
Like they're gonna people leave,

860
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,100
they don't come back because 
like honestly normally the team 

861
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,800
kind of doesn't give them a 
reason to come back. 

862
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,900
And then once we had the 
interception, the touchdown 

863
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:57,800
like, this is why they're right,
but again I you proved him 

864
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,600
wrong. 
Think do this enough times, 

865
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,800
people will start coming back. 
But, you know, let's not get 

866
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,300
into that. 
The crowd was all way bigger 

867
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:08,100
than I thought, it was going to 
be the students were fired up 

868
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:09,900
cheering stuff to start the 
game. 

869
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:13,000
Really cool. 
Fly over a little bit late but 

870
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,800
that's fine. 
But yeah, great crowd really 

871
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,600
nice atmosphere, and most of the
get a good amount of crowd 

872
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,700
stayed, but you had kind of that
normal after halftime, you know,

873
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:26,400
leaving but I was very 
pleasantly surprised at the 

874
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:29,200
Pants and just the overall crowd
atmosphere to start that game. 

875
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:32,000
Yeah, I was really, really happy
with the students. 

876
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,100
Especially, I mean, the student 
section was full, the Overflow. 

877
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:37,200
For the student section was 
full. 

878
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,100
I was disappointed in the alumni
showing, I'm not surprised, it's

879
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,200
a Friday night, I get it. 
There's there's High School 

880
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,100
football. 
It's a Labor Day weekend, but 

881
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,500
it's still, I think a long night
need to do better overall, and 

882
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,300
if you're going to get sick, 
don't get sensitive about that. 

883
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,800
If you getting sensitive about 
that, you don't have a good 

884
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,500
reason to be, don't give me 
excuses. 

885
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,600
Like, this was a big ten home 
opener. 

886
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,700
You can find your way to the 
game. 

887
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:01,000
I know it's a long drive home, 
like, that's okay. 

888
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,100
You'll live the but no, I mean, 
the fact that the students were 

889
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:09,900
able, even though they left some
of them left at halftime. 

890
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:13,400
A decent number came back like 
and yes, it was. 

891
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,100
It had been a little bit by the 
end of the game. 

892
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:17,200
That was a long game. 
I mean, that was one of those 

893
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,300
games where your people who are 
only on board, like, 30 or 40 

894
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:22,600
percent. 
It's like, am I going to really 

895
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,600
stick with this that game time? 
Total was three hours and 58 

896
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,000
minutes. 
And that's that is some Kettle. 

897
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,900
So reminder of Kevin well that 
isn't Kevin Wilson had some for 

898
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:34,100
our games. 
Yeah, I mean the longest game 

899
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,100
the only game Indiana played 
last year. 

900
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,500
That was over. 
Three hours and 42 minutes was 

901
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:42,000
the Cincinnati game which of 
course was also the hottest game

902
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,500
of the year, you know. 
But but this is you know, this 

903
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,600
is one of those things where 
outside of overtime games we 

904
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,900
haven't seen a lot of games go. 
This long like Penn State went 

905
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,500
four hours and five minutes in 
2020 but that was an overtime 

906
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,700
game. 
Those, most of those Kalin de 

907
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:02,100
bourgh games were pretty Speedy.
So this did feel kind of like, 

908
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:05,000
you're back in the, in the day 
and, you know, my wife and I 

909
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,900
walked out of the stadium and it
was what 12 10, 12 15 in the 

910
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:14,000
morning. 
So I am to some degree. 

911
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:16,000
Not surprised. 
I'm actually surprised there 

912
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,000
wasn't more leakage of fans as 
you got further down the line. 

913
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,900
Especially honestly, I mean, 
there were people in our 

914
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:25,000
section. 
I was up in the roof top section

915
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,900
who would drifting Out at the 
end of the third, beginning of 

916
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,400
the 4th because it really kind 
of felt like Indiana didn't have

917
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,900
what it took to win. 
It felt like you were just going

918
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,000
to stick around be very 
disappointed and feel like well 

919
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,400
there's IU football doing IU 
football things to me again, but

920
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,800
it was, I think really 
satisfying for the folks that 

921
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,600
stuck around. 
And again, I think the students 

922
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,700
deserve a lot of credit for, for
being there, General, I mean, 

923
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:53,700
atmosphere was good, I was out 
tailgating at 1:00 and the vibe 

924
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,600
was not some, it was, it was a 
good traditional kind. 

925
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,800
It wasn't as hot as I was 
worried that it was going to be 

926
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:02,900
that the overcast Skies helped 
quite a bit. 

927
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:06,900
And so yeah, it was a good first
game day for IU. 

928
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:09,300
And I'm happy that it worked out
the way that it did. 

929
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:12,400
Because it felt like the people 
that went out and decided to do 

930
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,600
The Full Experience, had a good 
time. 

931
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,200
It was a great way to kick off a
Labor Day weekend. 

932
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,800
Now, you get to do it all over 
again at the exact same time. 

933
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,300
Next week, another, another 
leaving the game at the next day

934
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,700
at 12:15. 
My Em. 

935
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:28,800
I'm hoping they're up by like 45
and it's like, you know, I think

936
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,300
they got this one. 
Let's go home and watch the 

937
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:33,300
fourth quarter kind of thing. 
Maybe, but now in this, in this 

938
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:37,800
case, it's exciting to see 
Indiana have a good crowd and be

939
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,500
able to do the things that they 
did in that game. 

940
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:44,000
Anyway. 
Final thoughts on anything else.

941
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:47,500
Indiana playing Idaho next week.
I mean, obviously line play, 

942
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:50,200
we've talked about Quite a bit 
is something that needs to be 

943
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:54,600
addressed like ASAP and clearly,
they got to wait to see what the

944
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,100
situation is with Matthew 
Bedford. 

945
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,400
Anything else that you would 
really like to see them work on 

946
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,600
before we wrap up? 
I don't know. 

947
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600
I mean, because even if they get
a running game going it's like 

948
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,900
if they can get a hundred yard 
rusher, it's like all right. 

949
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:09,800
Well it's Idaho. 
It's kind of like fools gold. 

950
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,900
It's kind of like you know, NBA 
Summer League like if you think 

951
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,100
somebody's good and you're like,
oh my God, you got 28 points. 

952
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,600
You think they're bad? 
It's like, you know, you're 

953
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,000
playing against guys who are not
going to be in. 

954
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:20,900
The NBA. 
So I think you have something 

955
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,500
similar here. 
Where, if they say, I will say 

956
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:28,300
this, if they struggle to get 
the Run going against Idaho like

957
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:31,700
they did against Illinois. 
I think that we are in for a 

958
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,700
very long season and maybe we 
need to call Mike Leach. 

959
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,200
And just like, hey, do you mind 
coming on as a consultant to see

960
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,400
what we can do? 
Without any running backs but 

961
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,400
you know if if they can get some
running game going and open some

962
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,300
holes, I guess that's good. 
I'm not sure if that's going to 

963
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,300
be a preview of anything. 
Going to see against other Big 

964
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,700
Ten teams but I would like to 
see them work on that a little 

965
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:54,600
bit. 
Yeah I don't know how much 

966
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,200
again, I think you're right, you
just got to get up. 

967
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,800
I like 21, 28 points and just 
that you can work on some stuff 

968
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,800
in a game atmosphere, where, you
know, there's no choice. 

969
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,800
There's no real possibility of 
losing. 

970
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,900
You don't want to be where Iowa 
is today, where they scored 

971
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:12,400
seven points on on two safeties 
against South Dakota State. 

972
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,900
It's like your squeak. 
Like, oh man, good thing we got 

973
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:16,700
those safeties. 
You needed those, like, that's 

974
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:19,600
not the place you want to be. 
Be in the most Iowa game in 

975
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,000
history, my God. 
Yes, sorry. 

976
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,800
Yeah, so not all bi that's I'm 
kind of wrapping up its there's 

977
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,100
there's really not much you can 
ever take away from this game. 

978
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,300
We blown out teams like Idaho 
before and then had bad Seasons.

979
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:33,900
We've struggled then had good 
Seasons, but I do think with 

980
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,600
this team psyche, with where the
fan base is at. 

981
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,700
I do think that struggling 
inside a ho would be suboptimal.

982
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,800
Like let's just go out when by 
21:28 and that I don't think the

983
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,900
little things. 
I'll talk about it next week 

984
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,600
with you. 
I, I'm just gonna have a hard 

985
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
time being God will run game. 
Solve icaro lines, good. 

986
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,700
It's like it's probably not but 
maybe a little bit of a mirage 

987
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:58,000
for a week would be nice. 
So, I'll say that. 

988
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,400
I mean, the one thing I'm a 
little bit curious about, not 

989
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,600
just the Bedford situation, but 
I guess Jaylyn Williams left the

990
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,100
game with an injury. 
Like am Jones, had an injury 

991
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:10,100
came back in I'm assuming he'll 
be okay, but it's always the big

992
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:11,600
question. 
Mark with IU football. 

993
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,100
It's like they don't have the 
depth generally speaking to 

994
00:50:15,107 --> 00:50:18,400
sustain a lot of injuries so you
know this Idaho game comes at a 

995
00:50:18,408 --> 00:50:20,800
really good time because maybe 
they can get some younger 

996
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,900
players into those spots. 
Give guys a week to rest on the 

997
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:27,600
defensive side of the ball. 
And see if they can get some 

998
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,700
depth developed because there's 
just not a lot of time to do 

999
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:31,900
that in the season but no 
overall good. 

1000
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,000
Good way to start the year and 
and again look we talked about 

1001
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,400
this in the pregame or the 
pre-season podcast which I guess

1002
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,600
was technically also, our 
pregame podcast, this is a 

1003
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,700
flawed Indiana T. 
We know it going in. 

1004
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,000
We know this is not going to be 
a team that is going to blow a 

1005
00:50:50,008 --> 00:50:52,400
bunch of teams out or win a lot 
of games convincingly. 

1006
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,900
This is an IU team that is going
to struggle a lot. 

1007
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,900
Not with basic things but 
they're also look like they've 

1008
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:04,200
got a pulse in a way that they 
did not have last year and that 

1009
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,800
is promising. 
I don't know if it's going to 

1010
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,000
equate to. 
I mean right now, you know, I 

1011
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,100
picked them to win the game. 
Although I also bet money on 

1012
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,400
Illinois, before the game, I was
like, I couldn't decide as I go.

1013
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,700
I'm going to talk about about a 
bet. 

1014
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,600
I would pick Indiana on the 
podcast but it was very close 

1015
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,400
and it was like well I kind of 
feel like I like Illinois in 

1016
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,700
that spot. 
And I'm certainly glad Indiana 

1017
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:28,800
prove me wrong and I still think
that five and seven is probably 

1018
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200
about where this team is going 
to end up Landing because I 

1019
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,000
didn't see anything in this game
that made me think. 

1020
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Oh they're going to be able to 
really overcome and really 

1021
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,500
compete in the games against 
much better competition, but 

1022
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,900
it's nice to get that first one.
Under the belt of the team and 

1023
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,000
who knows, you know, you get a 
couple of wins under your belt 

1024
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,300
and stuff can happen. 
So, we'll see what happens with 

1025
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:50,100
all that. 
But anyway, Scott good to try to

1026
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:53,500
talk with you once again, we 
appreciate as always, getting 

1027
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,100
the opportunity to speak college
football and I you football. 

1028
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Together with you folks and 
continue to check in with us 

1029
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,400
we'll have a couple more podcast
coming up this week as we will 

1030
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,200
preview the Idaho game. 
Probably Thursday some time. 

1031
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,300
So be sure to check the feed 
either Thursday night or Friday 

1032
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,200
morning and then we'll be back 
with a recap of Idaho after 

1033
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,600
that, to be sure to tune it in 
here for Scott Caulfield on 

1034
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,400
Galen klaviyo. 
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1035
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,600
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1036
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,900
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1037
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:27,900
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