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Great conversation with Martha, 

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the mop lady. 
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hear it. 
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things. 
We talked a little bit about IU 

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football, some of the, you know,
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you know, trying to keep a 
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Even though with what happened 
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going into the season and then 
some of the things going on with

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the Hoosier ticket project? 
What they're doing ways that you

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could help if you want and just 
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his thoughts on basketball, 
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here before we know it, but a 
lot more football talk, a lot of

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hoosier ticket project talk, and
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We'll continue providing more 
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for three days away, man. 
Football is almost here. 

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So, without further Ado, here is
my conversation with Martha of a

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mop lady, enjoy. 
All right, Martha, welcome back.

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Good to have you on my friend, 
good to be back, man. 

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I think it was a I think the 
last time we connected was was a

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year ago at this time. 
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this one for a while. 
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It's been that long. 
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connected. 
I don't know if we connect it, 

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maybe we did. 
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long year and But maybe we 
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season. 
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But I specifically remember us 
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similar topics last year at this
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So it feels that long. 
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Last year I was getting ready to
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I was very excited. 
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value Sports and this year a 
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we're just talking about 
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going to be like and maybe a 
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This year definitely. 
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to remember, you know, obviously
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as you know it's it's certainly 
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experience it to know it but you
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or lack thereof leading into 
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You know. 
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off, bad years historically. 
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but this year it's just it's 
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I mean, everybody is so scarred 
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attitude where you're, you know,
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prove me wrong and I'm not going
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attitude. 
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that piece of hope, I think, 
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something on the field 
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I wanted to hit on that because 
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Again, you're at the mock lady, 
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the Hoosier Twitter, seen out 
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out. 
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I'm just going to read your 
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football program has a major 
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profitability of athletic 
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Going out of your way to talk 
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illogical, then he followed up 
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even played a down a football, 
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seasons going to go. 
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assuming the worst what it, what
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accomplishes. 
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coming into, at least on the 
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question marks that he said, you
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of question marks and so but you
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I'm curious your take you know 
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- I feel like I've been 
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lot of question marks I think 
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logically that I think being 
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lot of you know, not real facts.
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that? 
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season being you know, positive 
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also not trying to be negative. 
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I think for our youth football 
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know, I'm not an idiot. 
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root cause of the, the 
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you look at Tom, Allen's tenure,
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going to be the outlier, right? 
He's he's taking back over the 

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defense, you know? 
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last year and I think as time 
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say man that those were to 
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think you can already say that, 
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But I mean, you look at the 
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know, he's coaching in bowl 
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And and so, I think you've got 
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the last year's going to be end 
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think people are frustrated 
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coach and things like that, but 
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I think he hired a great 
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you know, who knows how Walt 
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obviously, I think people 
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say, Why are you going to hire a
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hiring them to be a head coach 
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coordinator, right? 
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success, you can argue whether 
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success that really was but he's
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Who has head coaching 
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Something that Nick shape 
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taking back over the defense 
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successful with that I you so I 
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my point is like is this right? 
There are so many unknowns and 

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look, I could be sitting here on
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disaster, right? 
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here we go again, right? 
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think there's enough unknowns 
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way to be extremely negative and
assuming that this is just going

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to be, you know, a disaster. 
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extremely premature and I think 
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right? 
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former player B re who played a 
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think he got much action, but he
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you mentioned, the said and said
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is everything you go out and win
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Get a couple wins on the 
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And momentum is is is something 
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season, help you get some wind. 
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Something that didn't happen 
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Obviously, we know, we know what
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think it's, I just You know, 
assuming the worst right now, I 

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just I think it does more harm 
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at least, you know, let some 
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and after the season with a 
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last year was the outlier and it
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some progress. 
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for a sec, my favorite. 
I thought, I'll just write my 

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old sales manager used to always
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you use hope three different 
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You said hope three different 
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a step back and I agree. 
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as I look and I took that to 
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to be negative either and I 
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I have season tickets. 
I'm going to go, you know, and I

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so I took that to heart, but I 
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as I look at the season, I said 
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know, I'm I'm very intrigued by 
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at it as like is was last year 
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rise or was last year. 
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Of things to come and I'm really
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sure because you know Allen's 
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just 2020. 
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Alan kept that and moved it 
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real momentum there but it's 
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of last year was just an 
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really burned a lot of fans and 
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There's really no history in IU 
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just turns right back around and
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Yeah, I think I would argue that
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football, the way it exists 
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You know, you talk about, it's 
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college football now operates 
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last podcast that, you know, 
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like, grad, transfers and 
transfers in, right? 

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The, you know, the instant 
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that, that, you know, there 
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IU, and I think I would 
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think last year, if you look at 
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Led the team in receiving before
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work. 
Rad transfers and Rider Anderson

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from Ole Miss and the, in the 
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Illinois, His Name Escapes me, 
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instant impact. 
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success in those spots. 
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So, you know, and we're bringing
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I think, you know, you look at 
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know, if we can get into this a 
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forward. 
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positions, a lot of those are 
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accounts are going to be players
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college experience. 
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remains to be seen but, you 
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landscape. 
And, you know, it's going to be 

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interesting to see, you know, 
it's going to go one of two 

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ways, right? 
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tough to navigate our division 
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think we'll all be happy but you
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then it's going to be 
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Yeah, and it's, you know, you 
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that's a very important game and
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a really good chance to get a 
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You're at home. 
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should be 3 and 0, and then it's
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tough spot trying to figure out 
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should be like, I'm still 
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position and every coach that 
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to go from all, you'll have all 
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But to go from 2 and 10 of them,
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least make a bowl. 
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ask, but on the flip side, it's 
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games, it does feel like what 
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saying, I, we're making progress
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way, where it's like. 
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till, you know, two more years 
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to 6 and 6, that that would be 
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Turn Around from where it seemed
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Yeah, you know, you beat 
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You beat, Western Kentucky your 
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math. 
People don't know, you're 

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halfway there and Who the hell 
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like when you get there, you 
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And then it's like if you could 
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Rutgers. 
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before November, which you kind 
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Because the rest of November 
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But it, it all starts that 
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breaking any new news here but 
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think that the momentum thing is
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were talking about what kind of 
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have that game. 
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think you're going to get 40, 45
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I think it's going to be a light
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I think this is definitely a fan
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gotta prove it to me and, you 
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to find their own motivation and
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to bring the fans back. 
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that's just the reality of the 
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Yeah, I think you're, I think 
you're spot on. 

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I think the Illinois game is 
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we need to know and I think 
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way if we win, you know. 
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you know, if we win, it's like 
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bit of momentum and if we lose 
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know, it's going to be, you 
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somewhat - now it's going to be 
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a game. 
We've got to come out and win 

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and talking about fans support. 
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about. 
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surprised to, you know, when 
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hear the numbers that, you know,
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he's expecting, you know, I I 
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were on Pace from last year and 
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40,000 on Friday, and I know 
that there's a lot of incentive 

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to buy. 
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season ticket holders to buy 
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with points for basketball 
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So there's some, there's an 
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who's going to show up but you 
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little bit surprised by the 
number. 

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I think, you know, being a 
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weekend, it's going to keep some
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you're going to see a large 
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halfway decent crowd, but again,
back to the game itself. 

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It's one, you know, after 
watching Illinois last weekend 

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is when you've got to come out 
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the W and get this season 
started off, right? 

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I don't want to be sitting here 
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just going to be a ton of 
negativity and that's not going 

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to help anything. 
I agree. 

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What are your expectations for 
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football? 
You know, I again I'm going to 

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use the word hope again and 
you're going to, you know, you 

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mad. 
I'm just, it's It's tough, 

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right? 
I, you know, we set here a year 

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ago and, you know, I remember 
listening to your season preview

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and then we spoke and you were 
you were talking off everyone 

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talking off win after win after 
win. 

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And I was, you know, I'm not 
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wasn't, you know, I wasn't 
extremely hopeful that we're 

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going to come out and get eight 
nine wins because I was but I 

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also, you know, I also took a 
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I knew the 2020 depression 
Offensive production was going 

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to be extremely hard to 
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put a whole lot of pressure on 
the offense, on an offense that,

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you know, especially on a 
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that he could play more than a 
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healthy, you know, I knew that 
we obviously return tie fry 

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Fogel who, you know, he put up 
big numbers but you know, those 

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big numbers came in, you know, 
two to three games. 

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So the production was in a 
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it's like okay. 
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production that we saw against 
Ohio state that we saw against. 

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I think it was Maryland or 
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were I just knew with the way 
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turnovers in 2020, I think we 
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that year which was top five in 
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coordinator losing our top 
interception guy. 

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Yeah, research, we return some 
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pressure on a new defensive 
coordinator. 

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And that's a lot of pressure on 
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That's probably going to have to
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So I took pause a little bit. 
I'm like, I don't know that 

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we're going to get to that. 
That 910 level, I think we're 

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going to come out and have 
success just with who we return.

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But a lots got to go right for 
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that a lot of people are 
thinking we're going to get to. 

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I didn't expect to wins. 
I'll say that, right? 

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It really spiraled but you know 
to answer your question when you

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look at this season I'm 
encouraged by the fact that At, 

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you know, we bring in some one. 
I'm encouraged that Islands 

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calling a defense. 
I think that the players are you

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know he's going to have the 
players ready to go. 

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He's gonna have a player's 
motivated. 

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They're going to play hard for 
him. 

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He's not going to you know, he's
not, he's not going to accept 

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anything less than that, right? 
I think we're going to get back 

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to well producing defense 
offense. 

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There's question marks all over 
the place, right? 

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I think if we come out in Jack, 
totals, the guy I'm going to be 

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instantly concerned just because
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them. 
You know, and he's not a guy 

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that's going to go out and make 
plays he serviceable, right? 

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You can throw around the adage 
of a being a game manager. 

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I think if if it's not basil 
act, you know, there's some 

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concern, former SEC freshman of 
the year. 

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He's a guy that go out and make 
plays Big Arm. 

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You know, we bring in an SEC 
running back. 

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You know, are our three running 
backs are guys that really 

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didn't play a whole lot year 
last year, if you look at our 

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depth chart. 
So question mark question marks 

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there But from everything you're
hearing about Sean Shivers, 

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you're thinking, he's a guy that
come out and make an impact 

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provided. 
The offensive line does its job 

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and surprisingly enough from a 
few of the people, I've talked 

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to the first string offensive 
line has been looking pretty 

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decent, you know, in some of 
these, some of these scrimmages.

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So, you know, we'll see question
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receivers as well. 
You know, DJ Matthews has back 

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and help you You expect some 
things out of job on Swinton cam

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camper and Emery. 
Simmons are guys that the 

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coaching staff is spoke highly 
of. 

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So you're putting a lot of Hope 
and a lot of unknowns. 

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But, you know, you're also 
bringing in some town that is it

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is played at the division, one 
level. 

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So I think that there's some 
hope there that, you know, 

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things go the right way and, you
know, we have a little bit 

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instant success. 
It can we can get to that 61 

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point. 
For hopes just throwing that out

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there or three or four. 
Like you're like you're hanging 

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it's like I'm a picture in your 
hang in case for strikeout for 

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huh? 
Yeah I know. 

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Yeah. 
But you're throwing a game here 

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you mentioned you know it's last
year when penix went down and 

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then you know, we were kind of 
going between Tuttle and 

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McCully. 
Everyone's all right, well this 

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season's kind of sunk because we
do have a quarterback and that's

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why quarterback is so important 
and bring that up. 

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Because You mentioned kind of 
like you who we see it starter. 

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I'm just curious your thoughts 
on this because I think it's I 

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think it's bizarre that we 
haven't named Bays lack as a 

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starter, you know again we're 
talking about, you know, an SCC 

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quarterback, a transfer, and how
important the transfer market is

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it's a little, it's a little 
weird. 

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If you're like another, you 
know, if you're another 

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quarterback in two or three 
years like I can't wait to 

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transfer to Indiana. 
And then being a quarterback 

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battle with their walk on who's 
thrown two touchdowns in two 

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years. 
And so, and yet, as you 

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mentioned, I think we're all in 
this agreement, You Know, Jack 

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tuttle's doing what he can, but 
if he's, our starting 

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quarterback this season 
expectations are greatly 

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adjusted. 
If he just shows up as the 

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starter, you know, first series 
against Illinois, I think the 

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crowds going to get a little 
murmur E. 

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I would say just to put it 
politely. 

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And so why is Alan doing this? 
Like why is he not naming, Bay's

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lack as the starter? 
And he could also be I'm you 

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know, Gail mm, tweeted out 
Something that says got, this is

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a tweet of a tweet, Osterman 
tweeted this out and Galen then 

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and hopped on it with our 
Crimson cast account. 

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But basically, that Tom Allen is
also not including a too deep, 

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you know, roster. 
And then, if this is something 

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you college, football coaches 
now doing across the board, 

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like, you know, sarkeesian at 
Texas is no longer providing a 

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depth chart. 
So, coaches are starting to get 

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a little cranky with this stuff 
or just not offering 

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information. 
Maybe this is just all coaches 

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be like I we're done giving you 
guys info but even that is, it's

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like You're you're not hiding. 
I just don't know why you don't 

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name a starter fine. 
Hold your depth charts. 

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Don't let us in practice. 
But why don't you just let base?

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Like know and maybe they've done
it internally and it's just like

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we're not telling the fans are 
not telling the media but I'm 

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just I'm curious your thoughts 
because to me it seems pretty 

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obvious that you know, from what
we saw with Tuttle last year if 

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he's really competing for the 
starting job. 

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We got some serious problems. 
Yeah, you know, honestly, I'm 

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pretty indifferent to the whole 
thing. 

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I think that I Truthfully think 
that like, you know, that coach 

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Alan thinks that there's some 
type of competitive Advantage 

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there. 
Or you know, it goes back to 

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like, not having a spring game 
because you don't want to put 

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any offense on tape. 
That that Illinois may see, 

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right? 
He's got a new offensive 

443
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,200
coordinator by all counts of 
very new offense. 

444
00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:53,300
New skill position players all 
over the place, you know, for 

445
00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:56,400
me, it's just it's a thing where
he doesn't want there to be. 

446
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,800
Any sort of competitive 
advantage or tipping his cap in 

447
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,200
any way, shape, or form, before 
he absolutely has to write. 

448
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,300
I mean, because nobody knows 
what this offense is going to 

449
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,900
look like besides those that are
involved with the programmer on 

450
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:11,900
the team. 
So for me, it's just like he's 

451
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:15,100
keeping things close to the vest
on purpose because he doesn't 

452
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:16,700
want any information to leak out
that. 

453
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:19,700
It may be deemed a competitive 
advantage or, oh, now that we 

454
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,200
know your quarterback, we can go
back and study film on him. 

455
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,900
And I mean, obviously, they're 
preparing for, you know, they're

456
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:28,200
not preparing for Bays locked. 
Then there it, I mean, just 

457
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,100
like, just like Indiana Was 
preparing for Illinois, starting

458
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:34,700
quarterback, you know, Illinois 
is doing the same for us. 

459
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:37,300
So I don't get the big deal on 
the quarterback thing. 

460
00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:39,000
I'm but again, I'm pretty 
indifferent to it. 

461
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,700
It doesn't bother me that he's 
not. 

462
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,900
But to me, it just goes back to 
him trying to keep any 

463
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:46,400
competitive advantage of these 
things in his mind that the 

464
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,000
program has. 
So yeah, I think it's to me, 

465
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,600
it's kind of a whatever thing 
and it again, I'll go back to if

466
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,200
it is total. 
Like you just said, there's 

467
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,600
going to be some people in the 
stands there. 

468
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,000
Like oh Oh boy. 
Prove me wrong. 

469
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:03,000
Yeah, me, it's one of those 
things were you as a fan from 

470
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,600
last year, you've lost a little 
bit of my trust, but I agree 

471
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,500
with you on the competitive 
Advantage, but my thing is, 

472
00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:13,400
like, if we come out and we have
poor quarterback play, this is 

473
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,500
one of those things where like, 
I will be in the stands on 

474
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,400
Friday night. 
Being like, why are you being so

475
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,500
damn cute about this stuff? 
Like, why are you like not? 

476
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:23,900
Like it's like and even if you 
weren't, you know, the coaching 

477
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,400
staff wasn't even worth, it's 
just like this is where If you 

478
00:24:27,408 --> 00:24:29,800
like you're out cuting yourself.
It's like they have to prove. 

479
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,100
And to me, it's like, we need, 
crisp quarterback play. 

480
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,000
And if there's a lot of mistakes
at quarterback, I'm going to be 

481
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,500
like what why are we focusing on
the quarterback battle and not 

482
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,100
this? 
Anyway, something I want to talk

483
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,500
more about in relation to 
football that Focus. 

484
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,400
The, you know, maybe is more up 
my alley and a great new follow 

485
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,400
on Twitter at Hoosier uniforms. 
Which, by the way, it's amazing 

486
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,100
that Twitter handle was still 
out there for anybody listening 

487
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:56,900
who wants to start their own 
pod. 

488
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,200
Podcast or their own, you know, 
media platform. 

489
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,700
Like there's tons of great, you 
know, handles available out 

490
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,800
there is be creative. 
I'm curious as a, you know, 

491
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,000
somebody who has the old mop 
lady Avatar. 

492
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,400
So big into the old-school, 
Indiana ways of doing things. 

493
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,700
Hoosier uniforms tweeted this 
out, but it's also been out 

494
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:17,600
there in other places. 
But our new uniforms for this 

495
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,800
year are kind of throwback to 
the old Anthony Thompson's the 

496
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,500
block, I the old Hoosiers, they 
the Fanatics was selling it. 

497
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:28,700
I have my new red, Old Hoosiers 
uniform. 

498
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:31,600
I'll be wearing Friday night. 
What do you think of the going 

499
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,600
to the Throwbacks for this year?
I absolutely love them. 

500
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,600
I mean, it was that that that I,
you know, I kind of grew up in 

501
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,000
that era of, you know, 90s, I 
you football, you know, and then

502
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,900
it obviously worked into the 
camp camaronera which was, you 

503
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:51,500
know, a huge shift and in logos.
Yes. 

504
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:56,600
Yes and all that but you know, I
grew up in that, you know, I was

505
00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,000
I was a big Von Dunbar fan, you 
know, he's about, I live up in 

506
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,400
Fort Wayne, he's a Fort Wayne 
Snyder grad and so, you know, I 

507
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,400
remember those days. 
Well, Alex Smith. 

508
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,100
Chris did. 
Oh, you know, that that uniform 

509
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,600
was was, was the uniform that I 
you wore? 

510
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,700
When I, when I really started to
grow a passion for IU football 

511
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
and like, if I'm being candid 
about it, I think it's the best 

512
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,700
looking uniform that I use had. 
So, I'm a huge fan of it. 

513
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,400
There are some, you know, there 
are some recent, you know, I 

514
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,900
love the script. 
Indiana helmet. 

515
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,000
I'd like, I'd like for them to 
keep kind of a rotation of there

516
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,200
because I really like their 
existing uniform to write I so 

517
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,100
yeah, there are, you know, I'm 
not sure how they plan to kind 

518
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,600
of balance, you know, existing 
versus what, what that I'm you 

519
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,600
know. 
I'm not sure if they're wearing 

520
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,900
the uniform that they released, 
if that's their permanent 

521
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:45,300
uniform and that's all they're 
wearing. 

522
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:48,000
Now, moving forward, if it is, 
I'm okay with it. 

523
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,700
But, you know, if I had my 
choice, Blake. 

524
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,100
Okay, let's, you know, let's 
let's break out the current ones

525
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,400
with the recent ones I guess I 
should say every so often as 

526
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,300
well. 
Yeah, looks like they're going 

527
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:01,500
to be doing the red at home and 
the white on the road. 

528
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Although we'll see when they 
actually come out and play, but 

529
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,700
I agree with you. 
I like that's the error that I 

530
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:12,200
grew up in the Anthony Thompson,
Von Dunbar, you know, Trent 

531
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,700
Trent, green, like that. 
That I like those those look 

532
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,500
uniforms but I'm with you, I'd 
like to rotate in the current 

533
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,500
ones. 
I actually, I mean this is again

534
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,200
what I really like Kevin Wilson 
did like the year that we had, 

535
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:26,000
you know, the six uniforms and I
remember at one point doing a 

536
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200
poll On Crimson castle. 
Like, what uniform are we 

537
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,200
wearing next game? 
It's like, we had eight to pick 

538
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,700
from. 
It's like, we had the Chrome. 

539
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:37,100
We had the Indiana State helmet.
I like the Chrome striped ones. 

540
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,100
Like, I might be in the 
minority. 

541
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,900
Like I thought those were cool. 
I loved the video when they show

542
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:45,800
it when they release those and 
how nuts the players went, I 

543
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,700
think that for IU football, I 
like going to the old school 

544
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:54,300
block, I but I do think this is 
where, you know, you can be 

545
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:57,200
creative and like I like that 
are Era. 

546
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,700
We were doing the wild looks. 
It's like there's if one thing, 

547
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,800
India ball has its really like 
no tradition and I mean that in 

548
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,000
a bad way, it's just, you go 
there. 

549
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,500
It's like, you know, we're 
trying to do like, you know, 

550
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:10,100
songs before third down, we kind
of don't know what we're doing. 

551
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,800
There's really very few things 
that we do. 

552
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,200
You know, we do the the William 
Tell before the fourth quarter 

553
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,600
that we stopped doing it, like 
there's very few things that you

554
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,600
could say, have been a tradition
of IU football for 40-plus years

555
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,400
at the main tradition. 
Is, there is no tradition. 

556
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,700
So it's like to me, like, let's 
Can you to move things around? 

557
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,000
But yeah, I like going to these 
uniforms and I'm with you, I'd 

558
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,500
like to see them basically 
rotate throughout the year and 

559
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,700
just change it up all the time. 
It kind of feels like any time 

560
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:40,300
we get close to having a 
tradition. 

561
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:42,300
We make a change. 
It's like, well yes, we're 

562
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,700
getting really close to that but
let's let's mix it up a little 

563
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,300
bit. 
It's time for something new, so 

564
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,000
it's hard to create Traditions 
when you don't let them exist 

565
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,500
long enough to become an actual 
tradition. 

566
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:53,900
But yeah, because we had that 
first, we had that first down 

567
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:59,800
song that and that was I think I
think that was lynched starting 

568
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,100
to Lynch hair and then when 
Wilson came it's like he was 

569
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,700
playing too fast. 
So they had like, young Kate, it

570
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:06,100
and do like that that that that 
it. 

571
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,800
Uh and it's like we couldn't get
a first down song than that kind

572
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,600
of just went away. 
You know, glass brought back. 

573
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,300
We did the William Tell Overture
before the fourth quarter, which

574
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,700
I, I like then it's like our 
oats basketball thing and that 

575
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,000
one away. 
I'm trying to think if there's 

576
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000
any, like, any fan thing that 
we've done in football that has 

577
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,100
lasted, you know, since 1990s or
the 2000s? 

578
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:32,700
Yeah, not dating back that far. 
You know, I can't remember who 

579
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,500
initiated the walk before the 
game. 

580
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:36,800
That's yeah it's like that. 
Remember that that may have 

581
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,200
been. 
I think that was a coach Hep 

582
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,200
thing and then you know we've 
got his Rock UPS Rock but to 

583
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,200
your point there's not there's 
not a lot of long standing you 

584
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,900
know, Traditions like that that 
you see some programs have. 

585
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,600
So I guess maybe one of the 
longest one now is, you know, 

586
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,000
kids ripping bleachers out and 
throwing them over the edge of 

587
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,800
royal stadium, you know. 
And then You've got the, you 

588
00:29:57,808 --> 00:30:02,900
know, the the we'll see if the 
the shirtless section of that's 

589
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:07,300
right. 
Carries over to that was a big 

590
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,100
deal there. 
I think it was a Rutgers game 

591
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,700
where, you know, that received 
the most attention because the 

592
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:16,300
on the field product was so 
dismal at that time, but we'll 

593
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,700
see if that carries over. 
Yeah. 

594
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,700
It's it's it's going to be an 
interest. 

595
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:24,200
A lot of know. 
It's going to be an interesting 

596
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,400
season. 
I'm ready for it. 

597
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:29,400
Yeah. 
It's I'm just thinking out loud.

598
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,500
It's like trying to think of any
of the, you know, any crowd 

599
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:36,000
thing that has just been done 
for that long and there really 

600
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000
isn't and it is, it doesn't 
you're right. 

601
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Every time we have something 
going, we make a change based on

602
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,500
either the coaches a new 
Administration. 

603
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,300
And it's yeah, it's a bummer 
because we feel it's this is the

604
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,600
fun part of getting old as 
somebody who went to, you know, 

605
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,300
college in the late 90s. 
You know, you look at like 

606
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,800
Wisconsin does Jump Around. 
Between the third and the fourth

607
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600
quarter. 
And, at this point now, it's 

608
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,000
like a tradition, everyone knows
it, but it's like, that's a 

609
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,400
House of Payne song that came 
out and like, 93. 

610
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,500
So, it's like that, that, that 
started in. 

611
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,600
I would say my lifetime. 
But now, if you're a college 

612
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,100
kid, it's like, oh yeah, that 
you know, Jump Around is, you 

613
00:31:11,108 --> 00:31:13,600
know, sacrosanct and it's like, 
that's not to me. 

614
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,400
That's not that new of our 
tradition is that you could 

615
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,900
start something new. 
It's not like jump around as 

616
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,900
that, you know, a classic from 
the 40s. 

617
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,100
Like that's right. 
That's a house of pain 90s song 

618
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,600
but it's like you could start 
something like that. 

619
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:31,200
We just we for a basketball 
program that has so many little 

620
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,000
points of tradition where it's 
like. 

621
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,100
Alright we're going to always 
play Sweet Georgia Brown before 

622
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,600
we go into the IU fight song 
with a minute to go and like 

623
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,600
there's all these little twerks 
that aren't even massive 

624
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,700
Traditions but it just you 
always do it. 

625
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:47,800
It's weird that football has had
none of had, none of them kind 

626
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,600
of go all the way through. 
Yeah. 

627
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,100
I think we've think we've 
started to play Jack and Diane 

628
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,400
between the third and fourth 
quarter. 

629
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,200
Now, I'm not sure that that 
would Will ever ever take off 

630
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,400
but as a good one, we do 
Mellencamp's and I you guys. 

631
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,900
Oh absolutely. 
I like it. 

632
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,700
I, you know. 
Hopefully this season we have I 

633
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,700
mean I mean I think it may have 
started last season and as the 

634
00:32:07,708 --> 00:32:10,300
season went on there were less 
and less people there to 

635
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:13,400
experience the the song between 
third and fourth quarter. 

636
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,700
But I mean, he looked back like 
like and not to not to not to 

637
00:32:19,708 --> 00:32:23,200
get off subject but like not 
back at the first four games. 

638
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
And, you know, you talk about 
Idaho game, and then the 

639
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,900
Cincinnati game and in the Ohio 
State game, we were averaging 

640
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:34,300
close to 50,000 people in 
attendance, at each of those 

641
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,900
games. 
And then for it to just spiral 

642
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,500
to what. 
So, I guess my point is, it's 

643
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,800
just like, if we can get some 
success and we can, you know, 

644
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,400
and get some momentum, fans are 
gonna show up, it's just we've 

645
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,200
just struggled to get to that 
point. 

646
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,900
Any time that we do, you know 
something like last season 

647
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,900
happens. 
So yeah, and it's I'll wrap up 

648
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,700
on this for Football. 
And then I want to ask you a 

649
00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:00,200
couple of hoosier ticket project
questions, but, you know, this 

650
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,800
really is one of the best Big 
Ten. 

651
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,300
Get home games were going to get
this year. 

652
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,700
When you look at like the SP 
plus rankings Indiana is ranked 

653
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:10,600
86, projected wind, total 3.4, 
but Illinois is. 

654
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,700
You know, 4.4? 
They're ranked 79th. 

655
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,000
They're right in the same range 
that we are. 

656
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,600
There Rutgers is 80th. 
So, you know, this is a game 

657
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,500
that is gettable. 
It's on the schedule and it 

658
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,700
really does set things up 
because if You know, if we're 

659
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:30,300
really turning things around and
last year was the aberration, 

660
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:32,600
you should be able to beat 
Illinois at home. 

661
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,700
You obviously should be Idaho at
home. 

662
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,200
You should beat Western Kentucky
at home that that puts you at 3 

663
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,500
& 0. 
That's the right momentum and 

664
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:45,200
even if you know lose Cincinnati
Nebraska Michigan's like you 

665
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,400
come back you have Marilyn 
drucker's. 

666
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,300
Those are winnable games and 
that's that's where I just hope.

667
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:53,700
I will say on the positive note 
to a fan base you know, if they 

668
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:58,700
can start off on the right foot 
Put-put Michigan aside, like I 

669
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:00,000
know it's gonna suck. 
They're going to come in. 

670
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000
They're probably going to crush 
us. 

671
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,700
Like, don't use that as a like, 
comeback show up for Maryland, 

672
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
like they're still hoping the 
season. 

673
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,000
That's my only fear is that, you
know, fans. 

674
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,300
Look at this and just like, all 
right. 

675
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,900
Well, you know Illinois. 
Yeah, they suck. 

676
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,600
And then it's like you beat a 
bunch of nobodies and then it's 

677
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,699
like, you get smoked by 
Michigan's. 

678
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:19,500
Like I was his old IU football. 
It's like, no. 

679
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,900
There's still, there's still 
reason to come out and support 

680
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:23,199
the team. 
So, there you go, there's my 

681
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,800
positive outlook for the year. 
Yeah, I mean, Start 3 and 0, and

682
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,000
then all of a sudden you've got 
90 games to find three more 

683
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600
wins. 
And in my opinion, they exist in

684
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,199
there. 
I think, to your point, you 

685
00:34:34,207 --> 00:34:36,800
pointed out a couple different 
sections of the schedule. 

686
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,500
Obviously, game one is is 
massive. 

687
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,699
And and then you look at, you 
know, obviously, two ends right 

688
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:45,300
there after. 
But you pointed to those that 

689
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,800
Maryland and Rutgers game, 
there's there's there's two 

690
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,600
games that I think you have to 
find a way to win, you know? 

691
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,100
So to me, those are the really 
the two most important blocks of

692
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,000
the Or if they're, you know, 
your point out must wins and 

693
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000
trying to get to six wins. 
You know, you point to those 

694
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
three games, like there's 
there's a three Big Ten 

695
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,200
opponents that that you have to 
win and then who else and then, 

696
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,900
who knows what else, you know, 
what else could potentially 

697
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:10,300
happen. 
You talk a little bit about 

698
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,300
Nebraska and you know what 
happens at Cincinnati when you 

699
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,300
go in there with 33 you know 
three wins they lost a ton of 

700
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,200
experience so who knows, you 
know, who knows what they look 

701
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,900
like? 
I'm sure it's going to be a wild

702
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,800
environment but you know, you 
You never know. 

703
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,100
So I would say, you know, I get 
I think getting to 6 is going to

704
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,300
be really tough getting to a 
bowl is tough. 

705
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,900
I would say to me, a goal would 
be if you could get 25 wins 

706
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,700
before the Purdue game and 
honestly what sucks? 

707
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,600
The schedule probably means 
getting 25 wins after Rutgers 

708
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,400
because I don't again, I think 
Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan

709
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,200
state is just, those are bridges
too far. 

710
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,900
But if you can get 25 and at 
least be in a spot where you 

711
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:58,700
have a shot to win a A six-game.
I think that gets you in a bit 

712
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:02,900
of you don't win it and you 
don't beat Purdue having a 

713
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,900
bucket game where you're not, 
just trying to get four wins but

714
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,300
trying to get to six wins. 
Like that's a going in there 

715
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:09,800
with five as much different than
going. 

716
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,800
There were three or four and you
know, he's been we look back at 

717
00:36:12,808 --> 00:36:15,400
the Allen are it's like that's 
something that we talked about, 

718
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,700
you know, most seasons. 
He's had a bucket game where 

719
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,300
you're going for a bowl berth 
and it's like that's a big deal.

720
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:25,100
So, I think to me, that would be
a successful season as if we 

721
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:28,300
have. 
Ability to get to a bowl because

722
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:31,000
I think saying, we got to get to
a Bowl this year, is just that's

723
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,300
asking a lot. 
But I think that saying that, 

724
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:36,200
you know, you're putting 
yourself in a spot where you had

725
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,700
a shot, and it's like, then it's
like, let's see how that shot 

726
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,100
goes to me. 
That, that's what we should be 

727
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:42,700
looking for this year. 
Yeah. 

728
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:48,200
And I think I'll end with this 
as well as like when you look at

729
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,900
coach Allen's tenure here, the 
the bottom line is that he's 

730
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,400
done. 
He's had to do a lot of learning

731
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,300
on the job. 
You just has right first head 

732
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:03,700
coaching job, you know? 
And you start to look at some of

733
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,100
the, some of the things, some of
the boxes boxes. 

734
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,000
He's been checking lately like 
last season was the first time I

735
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,500
think he's ever had to enter a 
season with the expectations as 

736
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:15,800
high as they were right. 
And he admitted in the players 

737
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,900
have admitted that they didn't 
handle those expectations. 

738
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:22,100
Well, whether whether it was 
with, you know, you know you 

739
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,500
heard Mike McFadden say during 
the season he's like there's 

740
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,900
some things we did this. 
Summer and maybe some things we 

741
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:30,500
didn't do this summer, to 
prepare for this season. 

742
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,500
We came in thinking we were just
going to, you know, walk through

743
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:35,000
some teams and it didn't happen,
right? 

744
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,200
And then, you look at some of 
the hires that coach Allen made.

745
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,600
And the bottom line is, there 
are things that he's learned 

746
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,100
through this process and things 
that he would not do over. 

747
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:44,900
It's a tough. 
What? 

748
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:49,200
It's a big ask in division, 1 
football in the Big 10 East to 

749
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,200
learn on the job, right? 
It's you know it's a tough 

750
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,700
position to be in but now you're
getting to the point where Where

751
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,700
your damn hopeful that? 
He's learned from it, right? 

752
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:00,900
There's some things that aren't 
going to happen again, he's 

753
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:03,300
going to be better because of 
some of the things he's went 

754
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:06,500
through, you know, he's back 
doing what, he's really good at 

755
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,600
and coaching the defense and 
hopefully he made a decent 

756
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,400
offensive coordinator higher. 
So you know that's I'm not I'm 

757
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,400
not going to allow you to hang 
another K here so I'm not going 

758
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,200
to use the H word. 
But you know, I think you've got

759
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,000
to put some trust. 
I'll use trust. 

760
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Instead, you got to put some 
trust in the fact that he's 

761
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,800
learned. 
Things weren't a better spot 

762
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,900
because because of it and 
internal going to be in a better

763
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:33,100
position to get some W's. 
Well and I will say something 

764
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,400
I've talked about before. 
I think that, you know, if you 

765
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,200
look at what happened in 2021, I
think you have to step back to 

766
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,000
2020 and after that Wisconsin 
game, I'll be quick. 

767
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,500
So, I've mentioned this a couple
of times, you know, everyone's 

768
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,800
run, it's that great moment. 
The players like is the best 

769
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,000
coach in America. 
And then there was a shift, it's

770
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,800
like we didn't make the New 
Year's Day. 

771
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,400
Six Alan got pissed rightfully 
so we did make the Big Ten. 

772
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,100
Championship game based on, you 
know, the Big 10 being like, hey

773
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:01,000
we like Ohio State. 
But you know, we got Alan got 

774
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,500
pissed and you took the Big Ten 
logo off the off the Jersey. 

775
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,000
We still only lost that bowl 
game by six like everyone kind 

776
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,500
of thinks back on that Outback. 
Bowl is a man. 

777
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,100
We got slammed by Ole Miss like 
there's a six-point game it was 

778
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:15,400
maybe five it's like what's it 
was closer than it felt anyway 

779
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,300
but the wheels fell off from 
there and I do think the 

780
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,200
expectations got a little too 
high but I also think that Alan 

781
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,000
started coaching from a place of
anger as opposed to a place of 

782
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,000
love and If nothing else, you 
seen that kind of the Elio and 

783
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,400
coaching from that place of Love
is definitely where he's had 

784
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,000
success. 
And even if you go back to again

785
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,400
this is why that Illinois game 
is so important, getting off on 

786
00:39:37,408 --> 00:39:39,000
the right foot getting some 
momentum. 

787
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:43,500
You look at 2019 2020 is a prime
example of you. 

788
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:46,700
Get momentum and Alan is really 
good when you kind of got some 

789
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,500
positive vibes and thing to 
build off of but don't forget 

790
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:53,700
2019 that's also a team that 
than a started to know but they 

791
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,800
started three and one with a big
Us to Ohio State, but who cares?

792
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200
It's Ohio State. 
And then it's like, they played 

793
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,700
Michigan State tough, but then 
they rattled off one, two, 

794
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:06,200
three, you know, four straight 
wins in the Big Ten, two of them

795
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,400
on the road at Maryland, at 
Nebraska. 

796
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,900
I think that's the first time we
had won four straight, Big 10 

797
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:14,800
games in like, 15, 20 years. 
And it's, it had been a, was not

798
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,500
a lot of stretches of IU winning
four straight games to on the 

799
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:19,500
road in the Big Ten and that's 
it. 

800
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:23,100
You know, they went in, they 
played Penn State really tough 

801
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:25,200
in. 
Happy Valley lost to Michigan 

802
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,300
but then Back and beat Purdue 
and made it to a bowl game. 

803
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,200
It's like again, they were kind 
of on a run and Alan has showed 

804
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,000
when things start going right, 
he does have a history of kind 

805
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
of pushing forward and getting 
results out like that 2019 team 

806
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:45,700
only lost by 7 at Penn State in 
that in the midst of that run. 

807
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:47,700
So he's shown that he can kind 
of push through and get 

808
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:50,400
expectation, you know, results 
better than maybe what the team 

809
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,000
should. 
So I think that's to me. 

810
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,600
That's the other positive spin 
this year is The the runway is 

811
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,100
there to get off to a good start
and Allen shows, kind of like 

812
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,600
when the bike is moving, and 
we're staying positive. 

813
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:06,000
He's able to push that momentum 
through some walls that maybe 

814
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,800
this team could punch above its 
weight. 

815
00:41:07,808 --> 00:41:12,600
So I think that's hopefully, the
lesson that he's learned and 

816
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,600
that once things start going 
well, it's like you start 

817
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,400
coaching from that positive vibe
and just understand that we're 

818
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,200
not a team that can be the 
hunted. 

819
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,000
We're not team that could be 
pissed. 

820
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,900
We're not a team that can have a
chip on our shoulder. 

821
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,100
Shoulder. 
Like we just got to be positive 

822
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:29,600
and as to me, it sounds corny 
but it's like you got to love 

823
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
each other and you gotta just 
keep those Positive Vibes, you 

824
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,400
know, rolling. 
So I'm hearing you correctly. 

825
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,900
We need to hope and pray that 
Walt Bell but want Bell is Kalin

826
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:41,700
tube or right? 
Because when you when you when 

827
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,700
you were listening, all those W 
is all I kept thinking. 

828
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:48,100
It was man, we had man, I love 
Kalyn tube or he was, he was a 

829
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,600
hell of an offensive coordinator
and you know, you look at the 

830
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,700
success he's had since then. 
So that's that's what I that's 

831
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,900
why I heard you saying but noooo
Oh, you were serious spot on, 

832
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:56,600
right? 
I don't know. 

833
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,700
Your momentum is everything. 
If we can get some, you know, 

834
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:04,700
it's obviously, obviously what 
we need to, you know, get to get

835
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:07,300
to that 61 point. 
So, I'm hopeful there as well. 

836
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,600
But the tenor you got to beat 
Illinois. 

837
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,200
I don't want to, I don't want to
use must win, though. 

838
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,700
He doesn't have a again. 
This team doesn't have must 

839
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,000
wins. 
This team doesn't have like you 

840
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,200
got to do this this year but 
like I would really say that it 

841
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,600
will annoy the more I think 
about it. 

842
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,800
The more I look at this season, 
the more it's like for so many 

843
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,700
reasons that we've all talked 
about. 

844
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,500
And some fans support you got to
beat Illinois, because if you 

845
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,800
lose that game, there's no way 
that you could lose that. 

846
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,900
I think where it's like, you're 
going to recover the fan base 

847
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,500
this year, without doing 
something abnormal, because if 

848
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:41,300
you, if you lose by Twenty, One 
or twenty eight points, I think 

849
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,600
the fan base is gonna be like, 
all right, I'll see you in 2023.

850
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:46,900
Like, let's go. 
When does basketball start? 

851
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:50,500
If you, if you lose a really 
close game, then it's going to 

852
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,300
be like, all right? 
What's wrong with these players?

853
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,600
If it's a coaching decision 
that's going to put Put a lot of

854
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,900
pressure on the coordinators or 
Allen like that. 

855
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,900
There's never a good way to lose
a game but that's a, that's a 

856
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:03,700
game where I just don't see a 
way that you can lose it and 

857
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:07,800
have anything positive from a 
fan base perspective, which I 

858
00:43:07,808 --> 00:43:10,400
know is kind of a dumb thing 
because no loss is good. 

859
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:11,900
But, you know, it was Ohio 
state. 

860
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:15,200
The guy, who cares, but it's 
like, I don't think a close loss

861
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,300
is good on the get there. 
There's nothing positive out of 

862
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,000
a loss, which again, I know this
is just the dumbest thing to say

863
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000
ever, but it really, it really 
is a more important game. 

864
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,800
The more I started, Going to 
look at this season for so many 

865
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,500
reasons for so many and you 
know, the staff knows as well or

866
00:43:30,508 --> 00:43:33,200
they wouldn't be keeping things 
as close to the vest as they 

867
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,700
have. 
So it's big for everyone and and

868
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,300
wanted man, I don't want to be 
sitting here next week with an 

869
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:42,700
l, so I'm going to show up cheer
loud and do my part and, you 

870
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:44,700
know, hopefully work. 
Hopefully, we're still sitting 

871
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:48,700
here next week with some hope. 
Yeah, I agree. 

872
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,700
Now. 
Let's talk a little bit of 

873
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:52,600
basketball and so for those who 
don't know, you are connected 

874
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,800
with and you've helped start the
Hoosier ticket. 

875
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:58,000
Checked, you can check them out.
Who's your ticket project.org? 

876
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,800
Let us know what's going on with
the ticket project, you know, 

877
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,500
right now this season what you 
guys are doing for basketball 

878
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:04,500
this year? 
Yeah. 

879
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,600
So it's an exciting time for us 
on multiple levels. 

880
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:12,700
Obviously, you date back to our 
launch last December. 

881
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:16,800
And, you know, it was quite 
honestly, in every aspect it was

882
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,600
like, drinking from a fire hose.
The reception was, was 

883
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000
phenomenal. 
We hit the ground running. 

884
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:26,200
We were, we were operating, you 
know, With which really just 

885
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,200
three of us initially, and it 
was, you know, it was, it was 

886
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,900
very reactive, right? 
We get tickets, find homes for 

887
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,600
tickets. 
The amount of tickets we got 

888
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,900
were, were, you know, greatly 
exceeded our expectations. 

889
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:41,200
So, we didn't have a whole lot 
of time to kind of strategize 

890
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,600
and put together a plan on how 
we really want to operate and 

891
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,100
how we really want to grow kind 
of what we're doing. 

892
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,200
But we've had a chance to do 
some of that this summer, we've 

893
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,100
added some volunteers when I 
continue to add some volunteers,

894
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:54,800
but we're starting to create 
relationships. 

895
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,900
Us with, with youth 
organizations places like Big 

896
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:01,400
Brothers, Big Sisters, planning,
special events with these 

897
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,300
organizations, you know? 
And, and that's a big thing for 

898
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:08,300
us is just expanding our 
presence with, within those type

899
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,900
of organizations. 
That really have that need that 

900
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:14,200
fit our mission in terms of, you
know, removing the financial 

901
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,500
barrier for, for Youth and 
families that really need the 

902
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,800
barrier removed and to attend, 
Indiana, football, basketball 

903
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,500
games, or really, whatever sport
that that I use. 

904
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,400
So, yeah, we're we've got, we've
got, we're going to have a 

905
00:45:29,408 --> 00:45:32,000
presence at the football game. 
This Friday we'll have a, you 

906
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,200
know, we'll be putting that out 
on social media kind of where 

907
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,300
we're set up. 
We got a pretty cool too. 

908
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,400
Pretty cool tailgate tent that. 
If people want to stop by and 

909
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,300
and learn more about us, they 
can you know we'll be floating 

910
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:46,600
around, I'll be floating around.
The tailgate area is Amanda on 

911
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,300
our team will be to the 
following week. 

912
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,500
Our whole team is going to be 
there for an event that we're 

913
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,800
having. 
So you know. 

914
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,200
And then obviously Eating, you 
know, leading it. 

915
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,700
This is gonna be a first 
football season. 

916
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:59,900
So, you know, we're accepting 
ticket donations for football 

917
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:01,400
season. 
We're going to be sending a 

918
00:46:01,408 --> 00:46:03,000
bunch of folks to the game on 
Friday. 

919
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,800
And then again the following 
week and throughout the season, 

920
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,300
but then obviously, the momentum
that we have for this basketball

921
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:11,200
season were expecting kind of 
some, some pretty cool things. 

922
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,000
There some cool events, you 
know, ways to fundraise and get 

923
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,100
the word out about us, but it's 
all systems go right now and 

924
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:21,700
we're continuing to expand and 
grow and build relationships 

925
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,000
across the state with 
organizations that. 

926
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,200
The you know, we want to be able
to help out so it's a, you know,

927
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,400
it's a fun time. 
It's a busy time but it's 

928
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,900
certainly a rewarding time as 
well with the way things that 

929
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,900
grow have grown with Hoosier 
ticket project, are you able to 

930
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:41,500
provide tickets through that 
profit through the project for 

931
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:43,600
all football, and basketball 
games this year? 

932
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:45,000
Yep. 
Absolutely. 

933
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Yeah, we saw that. 
Yeah. 

934
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,700
It's kind of multifaceted, 
right? 

935
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:51,800
We, you know, if you have 
tickets that you can't use or, 

936
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,700
you know, for whatever reason, 
right maybe season. 

937
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,000
It's that you can't make it to a
certain game, or you bought 

938
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,800
tickets and can't go, you know, 
we make it easy to transfer them

939
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,700
to us. 
And we'll find a home for him. 

940
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,500
But also, you know, is as I 
mentioned, we're working with, 

941
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,200
with, with other other nonprofit
organizations, other youth 

942
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,900
organizations. 
But, you know, we had a big 

943
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:17,800
giving Blitz in about a month 
ago where we raised over 10,000 

944
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,900
dollars. 
And that, that allows us to go 

945
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:22,900
out and purchase tickets blocks 
at tickets to send groups to 

946
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:25,300
games. 
And, you know, I used Great and 

947
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:29,800
working with us, to make it as 
cost effective as possible, but 

948
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,000
you'll see some pretty cool 
things. 

949
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,300
I don't want to get too far 
ahead but with an event that 

950
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,700
we're having, but you know, 
we're going to be sending, you 

951
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,800
know, we're working with a large
Youth Organization. 

952
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,900
We're going to be sending quite 
a few people to to a game here, 

953
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,400
early in the season, and we're 
excited about that. 

954
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,700
But that's what it allows us to 
do. 

955
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:49,000
That's what those donations 
allow us to do is, is get people

956
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:52,000
get people to the game that 
never would have had a chance to

957
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,100
go. 
So to answer your question yet, 

958
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:57,600
will you Spect to send every 
every basketball game, every 

959
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,300
football game, every women's 
basketball game. 

960
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:02,900
We have a goal of trying to send
somebody to every single home 

961
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:06,900
game so and we'll, or well in 
route to doing so that's 

962
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:07,600
awesome. 
That's awesome. 

963
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,700
I think it's a lovely idea 
because a it's great to get 

964
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,500
people who, you know, don't have
access to tickets. 

965
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:15,800
The ability to go to. 
These games, is also a great. 

966
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,400
Just as a fan, it's likely, I'd 
much rather have seats used and 

967
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,100
get IU fans in there. 
And for all of us who are I you 

968
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,400
fans who have been to either And
definitely Assembly Hall. 

969
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:29,000
You know, you remember those 
first couple of games, you 

970
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,200
remember having those moments 
and it creates lifelong fans 

971
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,800
which you know, all of us want 
IU football and basketball to be

972
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
good and to be better and that 
that happens with having more 

973
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,600
fans and more people wearing red
and white cream and Crimson. 

974
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:45,400
So, you know, I I applaud you. 
I think it's a great program and

975
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,500
I will say this, I've been a 
season ticket holder since 2008.

976
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,700
I need to start working with you
and giving you some of my 

977
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:57,800
tickets, I'm not using, but I 
went into getting basketball 

978
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,400
tickets, and I've actually my 
dad was a, we had Professor 

979
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,200
tickets before that. 
So we've been going, we've been 

980
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,900
ticket holder since like 88 87 
with IU basketball. 

981
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,500
But I've had my own set of 
tickets. 

982
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,600
And so, anyway, long story 
short, I thought, oh, I get 

983
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:15,800
basketball tickets. 
Like, once I got them, like, 

984
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,800
it's gonna be great. 
I can scalp all the ones, I'm 

985
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,000
not going to go too even when 
teams are good, like, even 

986
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
during the ranked number one, in
the country with the crean era. 

987
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,600
A lot of Those non-conference 
games where you're playing, you 

988
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,400
know, Jackson State or whatever.
They just don't, they don't sell

989
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,800
well on the open market so you 
know you might get 20 30 bucks 

990
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,600
this year, the years that were 
not great. 

991
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,600
You know, they're going for two 
or three bucks on StubHub most 

992
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,900
of the time, either that or I 
suck at scalping tickets. 

993
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:45,300
There's there's one of those two
things. 

994
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:49,300
What all I'm saying is that, you
know, I'm not saying give all 

995
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,100
your garbage tickets to lose 
your ticket project. 

996
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,300
This is probably the worst that 
worst promotion ever but it's 

997
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:56,000
like, you're not If you're going
into this thing, I'm gonna make 

998
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,200
a ton of money, scalping 
tickets, you're not. 

999
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,700
And so it's like if you're not 
going to go, this is the best 

1000
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:03,000
way to provide other people the 
opportunity. 

1001
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,200
And it's really not a massive, 
you know, cost loss to you if 

1002
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,500
you have those tickets. 
Well, and I'll say this, you 

1003
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:12,900
know, your garbage tickets and 
I'm learning this, right? 

1004
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,300
And it comes from, you know, 
being able and, you know, having

1005
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,400
the ability to go to games when 
I want to go to games. 

1006
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,800
But your garbage tickets, are 
somebody else's treasure 

1007
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,500
tickets. 
Yeah. 

1008
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:27,400
And, you know, you look, It 
specifically basketball, right? 

1009
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,800
And and you know, you look at 
the, you know, the arena. 

1010
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,000
The arena is largely, you know, 
majority taken up by season 

1011
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,500
tickets. 
And you look at some of those 

1012
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:38,300
early games and the individuals 
that have had tickets for years,

1013
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,100
their games that they just 
choose, not to go to in some of 

1014
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:45,100
them, you know, are at a place 
and we're they don't necessarily

1015
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:47,700
even want to put the energy 
towards trying to sell them, 

1016
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:49,400
they'll just sit on them and not
use them. 

1017
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,000
And that's that's really where 
we've started to provide an 

1018
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,900
outlet. 
You know, folks are learning 

1019
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:57,000
about the About us. 
And it's a no-brainer form, and 

1020
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,400
they'll get those tickets over 
to us. 

1021
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,600
And we'll, we'll get them in the
hands of somebody that it's 

1022
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,800
never had the opportunity to sit
in Assembly Hall for a, for a 

1023
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,900
game. 
So, you know, it's a really cool

1024
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:11,400
thing. 
Especially when you start kind 

1025
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,900
of peeling back those layers and
finding, you know, finding these

1026
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:18,300
organizations these kids, these 
really, you know, these, these 

1027
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,700
these places that, you know, can
send folks for the first time. 

1028
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:25,400
It's and you get to experience 
it in person and Come down the 

1029
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,100
court and down to the field or 
whatnot. 

1030
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:32,300
It's a pretty special moment to 
be able to be there and see 

1031
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,400
that. 
And you know just makes you it's

1032
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,700
rewarding, right? 
It just makes you want to 

1033
00:51:35,707 --> 00:51:39,000
continue to spread the word. 
So yeah, so do you guys are out 

1034
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,300
there or not aware? 
Check them out. 

1035
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:43,400
Who's your ticket project again?
Hoosier ticker, Hoosier ticket, 

1036
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,300
project.org, before we wrap up 
Martha, Just One Last Question. 

1037
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:50,600
We're not going to a big 
basketball preview now, but, 

1038
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,000
what are your, give me the one 
minute thought where your head 

1039
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,000
is at for, Basketball coming up 
this year, man. 

1040
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,100
I I am as is excited about 
basketball season is, I've been 

1041
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:05,600
in some time just with I really 
think they started to find 

1042
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,500
something. 
Towards the end of last year. 

1043
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,800
This you know, offensively and 
obviously with what they return 

1044
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,000
and who they've added, you know,
my one concern is is, are there 

1045
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,600
enough minutes to go around, 
right? 

1046
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,300
I mean we've got we've got a lot
of Talent on that bench. 

1047
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:21,800
So it's going to be interesting 
to see how its managed and 

1048
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:28,100
maintained, you know, and If we 
can slightly improve our 

1049
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,700
perimeter shooting, you know, 
you look at some games last 

1050
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:35,500
year, Iowa Rutgers so, so nicely
said, slightly improve like 

1051
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:36,900
this. 
Again, we're talking about, 

1052
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:39,300
like, if we can make one or two 
more threes, a game. 

1053
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,900
I mean, that's, that's the 
difference in a, in a couple of 

1054
00:52:41,908 --> 00:52:44,900
these games we're wide open 
looks and they've rimmed out. 

1055
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,700
But, you know, in by all 
accounts and everything you hear

1056
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,700
when you hear coaches talk, I've
listened to some podcasts with 

1057
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,800
with Brian Walsh. 
And, you know, they talk about 

1058
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,200
how these guys shoot. 
Shoot in practice, like Miller 

1059
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,400
cop for examples, just lights 
out and it's like man if that 

1060
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,900
can translate to slightly 
improved perimeter shooting this

1061
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:06,900
season I think Indiana can you 
know really make a significant 

1062
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:08,900
run in March? 
I'm not saying they're you know 

1063
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:12,200
they're their final four bound 
but man they've got the talent 

1064
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,400
across the board the bit. 
I think On Any Given night they 

1065
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,700
can beat anybody and you know 
lots got to go right and it's 

1066
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,300
going to be, you know what? 
Since going to have to coach, 

1067
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:22,700
right? 
He's got a, he's got a lot of 

1068
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:24,400
players there. 
Don't want that are going to 

1069
00:53:24,408 --> 00:53:26,800
want. 
And it's, but you look at race 

1070
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,800
and Trace coming back. 
And what we return on the 

1071
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:34,900
perimeter and who we add, who we
added, it's lined up, to be a 

1072
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:39,700
pretty on paper to be a pretty 
significantly solid season. 

1073
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:43,000
So, I'm excited, man. 
I think the big games early in 

1074
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,700
the season. 
I've got tickets to go out to 

1075
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:49,300
Vegas, you know to watch him 
play, Arizona, they're playing 

1076
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:51,700
Kansas North Carolina. 
It's like to me on. 

1077
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:55,400
I just have this feeling that 
Indiana starting to Get back, 

1078
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,800
you know, from a from a 
visibility standpoint back to 

1079
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,200
where they belong right now. 
There's going to be some results

1080
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,900
that go along with that if 
they're going to want to stay 

1081
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:04,800
there. 
But man, this is a type of 

1082
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,500
schedule but Indiana should 
have. 

1083
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,800
This is the type of momentum 
that Indiana should have. 

1084
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,300
That just hasn't existed, you 
know, consistently enough over 

1085
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:15,800
the past decade. 
So man, I'm I'm thrilled man, 

1086
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,500
I'm excited. 
You know, it's going to be a fun

1087
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,200
year. 
Yeah, I'm in the same boat on a 

1088
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,300
lot of those things. 
I'm actually going to Vegas as 

1089
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:25,500
well. 
So, Let's talk. 

1090
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,200
Yes, let's sit let's set up a 
crimson cast. 

1091
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,600
Hoosier ticket project, Martha, 
the mop lady something out, in 

1092
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,700
Vegas. 
It's funny. 

1093
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:36,200
I was telling my wife, I already
have Vegas book and I was like, 

1094
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,100
I want to go to Vegas and the 
Kansas game and she's like, oh 

1095
00:54:39,107 --> 00:54:41,100
yeah, go for it, you know, and 
I'm like, all right, those are 

1096
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:44,000
back-to-back weekends in 
December, so yeah, it's fine, we

1097
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,800
have two young, you know, two 
youngest boys. 

1098
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,800
Now nine and six and so I guess,
fine. 

1099
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,300
And I'm like, I need to get a 
video of you saying this. 

1100
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:53,300
Maybe this is my great wife. 
Told me, it's fine. 

1101
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:54,400
She's like you have a great 
time. 

1102
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,800
Like Cause you're we're going to
get to December 18th or 

1103
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,700
whatever. 
And I'm like, hey, I'm just got 

1104
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,800
back from Vegas. 
I'm about to drive to Kansas and

1105
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,000
I'm going to get divorced. 
It's like you told me this was 

1106
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,900
okay, because that's what I'm 
going to both of the or my plan 

1107
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,000
is to go to both of us. 
By the way, it's like UNC 

1108
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,400
Arizona, Kansas 
back-to-back-to-back. 

1109
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,300
It's just going to be a great 
three and a half weeks stretch 

1110
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:18,000
of basketball, but yeah, I was, 
I good. 

1111
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,800
No. 
I was, you know, to your point 

1112
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,400
with, with the back-to-back and 
the, you know, you know, trying 

1113
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,100
to identify which games I was I 
was On going to, I was reminded 

1114
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:30,100
of the the Tiger King gift that 
says I'm never going to 

1115
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:32,800
financially recover from this. 
I was thinking of that when I'm 

1116
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,000
like, man I'm just thinking of 
the cost associated with going 

1117
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
to some of these games. 
But these are, like once I mean,

1118
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,400
how often you get a chance to 
see North Carolina and Assembly 

1119
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,800
Hall or go to Kansas? 
Are go watch IU playing Vegas. 

1120
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,300
So it's it's gonna be a lot of 
fun. 

1121
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,600
I will say this but I have a lot
more time to talk about 

1122
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,500
basketball but this is I don't 
want to like hit strawman 

1123
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,900
arguments, but you know, you 
look at, you know, Woodson came 

1124
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:01,400
in with some advantages having 
played at IU but also at never 

1125
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,900
coached college basketball had 
never recruited. 

1126
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,300
But to me this is and we have to
have some of the results this 

1127
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:10,900
year that we are expecting. 
But we you know, we look at this

1128
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:12,800
year, we're going to start the 
season ranked. 

1129
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,000
We're going to be a favorite to 
compete for a Big Ten title and 

1130
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,700
it's You're too. 
And this is what I always 

1131
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:23,500
frustrated me with the Archie 
Miller era, where it's like we 

1132
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,400
just need another year, like 
just going to take some time. 

1133
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,400
It's like if if you know what 
you're doing, Indiana in 

1134
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,500
basketball is a place where you 
can turn it around quickly. 

1135
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,400
The talent is very fertile in 
this in the Midwest and Indiana 

1136
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,200
and it's like this never is this
a program that it should take 

1137
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,000
you no more than two to three 
years to turn around and be back

1138
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000
at a level. 
And again, I understand that. 

1139
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,000
Haven't played a game in year 2.
Yet we have to have the results 

1140
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,900
to match it up but it definitely
feels like the floor has been 

1141
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:57,000
raised and this is something 
that's just for all Indiana fans

1142
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,600
to keep in mind for basketball, 
you know. 

1143
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,800
If and when that ever, we have a
coaching change again. 

1144
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,400
It's like this, this doesn't 
take this long, it shouldn't 

1145
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,400
take that long, it's a 18 to 24 
month. 

1146
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,300
Reset, if you're not humming 
where you want to be, 

1147
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,900
something's not right. 
All that said, Woodson I am in 

1148
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:16,300
the same boat as you like, we 
got to get the results to back 

1149
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,100
it up but it feels Like we are 
humming. 

1150
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:20,300
It feels like we're back. 
I don't think we're winning a 

1151
00:57:20,308 --> 00:57:22,400
title this year. 
I do they're going to a final 

1152
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,300
four this year. 
I'm not even sure we're going to

1153
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,100
actually win the Big Ten, but it
feels like we're going to be 

1154
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:30,000
competing for the Big Ten. 
We're going to be, you know 

1155
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,800
competing for a second weekend. 
In March, we might be a 

1156
00:57:32,808 --> 00:57:34,700
protected. 
See like all these things are 

1157
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,900
building up words, like it feels
like the program has momentum 

1158
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:41,200
and it is, it is nice to see 
that and it feels right. 

1159
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,700
And it shows it's like, dude 
it's Woodson's been here. 

1160
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:45,500
What? 
Not even 24 months and it's like

1161
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:47,800
we're already. 
It feels like Like things are 

1162
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,000
back on track. 
And it does feel like a fan base

1163
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,400
has its expectations in line 
because I don't feel as I talk 

1164
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,900
through it. 
I don't feel a lot of people who

1165
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:57,000
like we're gonna win the title 
this year. 

1166
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,600
It's like it feels like 
expectations or in line were 

1167
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,400
growing like it does, it feels 
good. 

1168
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,100
It's like a nice way. 
That's building up at the right 

1169
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:08,200
momentum. 
We're back in conversations that

1170
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,300
we haven't been in in some 
correct conversations that we 

1171
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:15,100
should that your point that 
Indiana should always be in, 

1172
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,100
right compete for the Big Ten 
title. 

1173
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:20,300
Should have a, you know, can, 
you know, has the potential to 

1174
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:22,800
play well into the second 
weekend of the tournament? 

1175
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,200
All those conversations that 
haven't existed. 

1176
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,100
And again, to your point that 
it, it shouldn't be this hard 

1177
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:30,800
Indiana, right. 
When you look at, like, the 

1178
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,700
amount of tournaments that have 
been missed over the last 10 to 

1179
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:38,300
15 years, it's mind-boggling 
and, you know, maybe it's comes 

1180
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:42,700
from a place of, you know, too 
high of expectations and I you 

1181
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:46,100
fans or, you know, you know, 
they're they're unrealistic 

1182
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,300
Maybe So, but like I'm with you,
it should not have ever been 

1183
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:53,600
this hard in Indiana, you know, 
with the resources available 

1184
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,000
with the talent pool around. 
It's something that again, it 

1185
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000
should be fixed relatively 
quickly. 

1186
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:03,500
And, you know, I just again, I'm
glad we're back in conversations

1187
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:05,500
that we haven't been in in quite
some time. 

1188
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,800
And hopefully that, you know, 
hopefully we hopefully, we can 

1189
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,000
check some boxes in terms of 
getting to that second weekend 

1190
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,600
of potentially playing for Big 
Ten Crown. 

1191
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,500
I think that you know will be 
set up well for the future. 

1192
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,500
Hope that other fan bases are 
feeling that way about us 

1193
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:22,100
because I look at this on a flip
side. 

1194
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,900
Like I know football takes a 
little bit longer but you look 

1195
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:28,900
over at Nebraska and it's like I
heard some stat that like Scott 

1196
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:33,500
Scott Frost could win 50 games 
in a row and still not have won 

1197
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,500
as many games in Nebraska as Bo 
Pelini did and they fired him. 

1198
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,100
And it's like, I look at 
Nebraska and it's like, this 

1199
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,100
shouldn't be that hard for them.
They have, they have an area. 

1200
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:44,000
It's just carved out. 
They have that history. 

1201
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,400
Like they have a huge booster 
base. 

1202
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,900
They got a great Stadium, they 
have. 

1203
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,700
The history like this, shouldn't
be that hard for them, but then 

1204
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,500
again as a team that's 
competing, get some like this is

1205
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,600
great like keep Scott Frost 
there, right long as you want. 

1206
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,000
And I do wonder if other teams 
around the Big Ten Or look at 

1207
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,900
you have looked at Indiana for 
15-20 years the same way as 

1208
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:05,300
like, man, that's that's a 
sleeping giant. 

1209
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:08,900
Like I'm great having them, not 
figuring it out and I, you know,

1210
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:12,900
if we can bring the results that
were expecting this year, I do 

1211
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:16,600
wonder if around the Big Ten 
other fans you like, oh, like 

1212
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,200
there. 
They're coming back, and that's 

1213
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,900
not good. 
Just like I would if like, you 

1214
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:23,600
know, Nebraska fired Scott Frost
today and hired whomever 

1215
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,200
somebody new. 
And then it's like they suddenly

1216
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,700
go six and six next year, at 8, 
and for the year after I'd be 

1217
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:30,500
like, oh God, but why? 
I wouldn't care because we're in

1218
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:32,800
the Big 10 East, We're not gonna
play him, but it's like, if I 

1219
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,700
was Wisconsin, like, oh my gosh,
it's our patch just got harder. 

1220
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:38,900
So I, it feels like we're on 
that, right? 

1221
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,200
Trajectory. 
So there's a weird mix between 

1222
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,800
us and to Braska that makes no 
sense. 

1223
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:46,400
I agree. 100% Martha been 
awesome. 

1224
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,100
Having you. 
Let's Have you on again before 

1225
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:51,100
basketball starts? 
Again, follow him at at the mop 

1226
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:53,400
lady on Twitter. 
Check out the Hoosier ticket 

1227
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,200
project, Hoosier ticket, 
project.org and get ready for 

1228
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,800
some football. 
And Sebastian, we got like five 

1229
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,700
days to go. 
So it's been a pleasure having 

1230
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:03,800
you on, we'll have you on again 
before basketball. 

1231
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,300
And to all you out there, 
listening, appreciate the 

1232
01:01:06,308 --> 01:01:09,100
support support. 
Look forward to doing a couple 

1233
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:12,400
more preview podcast before 
football starts, and then we'll 

1234
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,000
start doing our normal Recaps 
after the games hopefully after 

1235
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,500
when this Friday, so for The out
there. 

1236
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:19,800
Thank you again for listening, 
really appreciate it. 

1237
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,600
Until next time this is Scott 
for Crimson cast signing off.