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you know, trying to keep a positive attitude.
Even though with what happened last year, what he thinks about
going into the season and then some of the things going on with
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So, without further Ado, here is my conversation with Martha of a
mop lady, enjoy. All right, Martha, welcome back.
Good to have you on my friend, good to be back, man.
I think it was a I think the last time we connected was was a
year ago at this time. So I've been looking forward to
this one for a while. Oh my gosh.
It's been that long. Wow a lot is happening on
connected. I don't know if we connect it,
maybe we did. It's been you know it's been a
long year and But maybe we connected during basketball
season. I can't remember.
But I specifically remember us doing this, a similar show
similar topics last year at this time.
So it feels that long. Yeah, so wow, yeah.
Last year I was getting ready to drive to Iowa.
I was very excited. I was ready for the Golden Age
value Sports and this year a little bit different but I mean
we're just talking about Illinois and with the crowds
going to be like and maybe a different feel for IU football.
This year definitely. Yeah, it's it's it is I'm trying
to remember, you know, obviously obviously I you football fandom
as you know it's it's certainly been, you know, you have to
experience it to know it but you know the vibe and the momentum
or lack thereof leading into this season.
You know. I feel like even even coming
off, bad years historically. There's always a level of Hope
but this year it's just it's different, right?
I mean, everybody is so scarred from last year.
And so hurt. And you know, they've got this
attitude where you're, you know, you're definitely gonna have to
prove me wrong and I'm not going to let you hurt me again, type
attitude. There's just there it's missing
that piece of hope, I think, which is, which is odd.
It's like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna take pause until I see
something on the field especially with all the unknown.
So it's certainly an interesting by bleeding into this season so
I wanted to hit on that because you tweeted something out.
Again, you're at the mock lady, one of the best follows on on
the Hoosier Twitter, seen out there but you You send something
out. What was it yesterday?
I'm just going to read your Tweet here successful, Big Ten
football program has a major impact on the overall
profitability of athletic department which is true.
Going out of your way to talk negatively about a football
program before the season starts.
While simultaneously claiming to be a basketball fan as extremely
illogical, then he followed up the main point is we haven't
even played a down a football, nobody has a clue how the
seasons going to go. I'm not sure why publicly
assuming the worst what it, what publicly assuming the worst
accomplishes. And there's a I read that.
And I kind of took it to heart, because I've been a little bit -
coming into, at least on the podcast coming into this season.
But I think it's based on, you know, there's there's a lot of
question marks that he said, you know, new offensive coordinator
new defensive coordinator quarterback, wide receiver,
running back. All the skill positions, a lot
of question marks and so but you had a lot of feedback on those
posts. People kind of on both sides,
I'm curious your take you know it's I don't feel like I've been
- I feel like I've been cautiously, like, just there's a
lot of question marks I think I'm just you know looking at it
logically that I think being optimistic you're basing it on a
lot of you know, not real facts. You know what's your feeling on
that? Like how do we go into this
season being you know, positive but not being pollyannaish but
also not trying to be negative. It's a tough spot.
I think for our youth football fans Look, I'm not I'm not, you
know, I'm not an idiot. So I understand, you know, the
root cause of the, the negativity, you know, I just as
you look at Tom, Allen's tenure, right?
And and I think you've got to put some hope that last year's
going to be the outlier, right? He's he's taking back over the
defense, you know? And you look at his coordinators
last year and I think as time passes on you'll look back and
say man that those were to really, really poor hires and I
think you can already say that, right?
But I mean, you look at the three previous seasons and, you
know, he's coaching in bowl games, right?
And and so, I think you've got to put some Solace and hope that
the last year's going to be end up being the outlier, right?
And I get it, there were some changes that were made and I
think people are frustrated about that, like, the old line
coach and things like that, but He went out.
I think he hired a great defensive coach and Chad will,
you know, who knows how Walt Bells going to turn out,
obviously, I think people pointed his tenure at UMass and
say, Why are you going to hire a guy like that will, we're not
hiring them to be a head coach for hiring to be an offensive
coordinator, right? Where he's had, you know, some
success, you can argue whether it was, you know, how much
success that really was but he's given control over to Walt Bell.
Who has head coaching experience?
He has offensive coordinator experience.
Something that Nick shape Sheridan had neither of he's
taking back over the defense something that he was very
successful with that I you so I think you have to at least and
my point is like is this right? There are so many unknowns and
look, I could be sitting here on week 2 and be like, this is a
disaster, right? This, you know we never I mean
here we go again, right? And but at the same time I also
think there's enough unknowns right now that going out of your
way to be extremely negative and assuming that this is just going
to be, you know, a disaster. I think it's I think it's
extremely premature and I think it does more harm than good,
right? I think, you know, there was a
former player B re who played a couple of years, Cause I don't
think he got much action, but he quote tweeted that tweet that
you mentioned, the said and said look like early-season, momentum
is everything you go out and win against Illinois.
Get a couple wins on the schedule that you should.
And momentum is is is something that can carry you through the
season, help you get some wind. So, it is imperative that this
season. Got off to the right start.
Something that didn't happen last season.
Obviously, we know, we know what happened last year, but I just
think it's, I just You know, assuming the worst right now, I
just I think it does more harm than good and I think we should
at least, you know, let some things play out a little while
and after the season with a little bit of hope that, that
last year was the outlier and it will, you know, will will show
some progress. Yeah, I'm going to pick on you
for a sec, my favorite. I thought, I'll just write my
old sales manager used to always tell me hope is not a plan and
you use hope three different times in yelled at.
You said hope three different times and I but But I will take
a step back and I agree. I mean, I've said this on, I'm
as I look and I took that to heart, so I'm like, I don't want
to be negative either and I always, you know, I'm a fan.
I have season tickets. I'm going to go, you know, and I
so I took that to heart, but I would also say that, you know,
as I look at the season, I said on the last pot with gaalan, you
know, I'm I'm very intrigued by this team because I do I do look
at it as like is was last year the outlier of a team on the
rise or was last year. Like the, this is the harbinger.
Of things to come and I'm really not sure like I'm really not
sure because you know Allen's track record does go deeper than
just 2020. I mean there's he was taking
Kevin Wilson, got things going in the right direction.
Alan kept that and moved it forward and you know there was
real momentum there but it's like that's also the dichotomy
of last year was just an absolute dumpster fire and
really burned a lot of fans and you know when you have this many
He changes and you have a team that's two in ten.
There's really no history in IU football of a team that like
just turns right back around and goes, you know, eight and four.
Yeah, I think I would argue that the landscape of college
football, the way it exists today.
You know, you talk about, it's never gone.
Well for IU, I use never operated in the landscape that
college football now operates in, right?
I mean we're talking and I heard, Alan mentioned the lot
last podcast that, you know, when we start talking about
like, grad, transfers and transfers in, right?
The, you know, the instant eligibility and things like
that, that, you know, there haven't been many impacts for
IU, and I think I would challenge him a little on that I
think last year, if you look at the Players it transferred in
and that fashion, you know, DJ Matthews.
Led the team in receiving before he went down.
Our I would say our two best players on the defensive line
work. Rad transfers and Rider Anderson
from Ole Miss and the, in the young man from Northern
Illinois, His Name Escapes me, but he came in and made an
instant impact. So I think we've had some
success in those spots. Right.
So, you know, and we're bringing a lot in this year.
I think, you know, you look at our skill positions and you
know, if we can get into this a little bit more as we move
forward. But you know look at our skill
positions, a lot of those are you know, on paper and by all
accounts are going to be players that have come in with some
college experience. So You know, I know a lot of it
remains to be seen but, you know, we're operating in a new
landscape. And, you know, it's going to be
interesting to see, you know, it's going to go one of two
ways, right? And and it's either going to,
you know, hopefully we can build obviously, I think there's an
aspect that we're treading water.
And so the landscape of the Big Ten changes a little bit, it's
tough to navigate our division of the Big Ten so if we can show
some progress and get back towards 67 wins, you know I
think we'll all be happy but you know if things spiral quick Then
then it's going to be interesting for sure.
Yeah, and it's, you know, you talk about the beginning of the
Season, obviously, we have Illinois coming up this Friday
and, you know, it does, it happens quick because that's,
that's a very important game and they all are important, but it's
a really good chance to get a big 10 win.
You're at home. You should, if you win that, you
should be 3 and 0, and then it's like, all right, you know, the
it. Again I think this is where The
tough spot trying to figure out what expectations for this team
should be like, I'm still figuring it out in my head
because to go from 2 and 10 and change basically, every skill
position and every coach that isn't named Allen or, or pillar
to go from all, you'll have all that change.
But to go from 2 and 10 of them, say, all right, we got to get at
least make a bowl. That's a really, really tough
ask, but on the flip side, it's like just winning three or four
games, it does feel like what That's kind of a weak way of
saying, I, we're making progress because that's always the IU
way, where it's like. All right.
Well, we won one more game last year and just just keep waiting
till, you know, two more years from now.
But if you're going to make a bowl and to me, if you just get
to 6 and 6, that that would be an in my mind, an unbelievable,
Turn Around from where it seemed like things were pointing 100%.
Yeah, you know, you beat Illinois, you beat Idaho.
You beat, Western Kentucky your again, I'm not doing anything
math. People don't know, you're
halfway there and Who the hell knows what Nebraska is it look
like when you get there, you know.
And then it's like if you could sneak that one out, Maryland
Rutgers. I mean, your your bowl eligible
before November, which you kind of have to be.
Because the rest of November gets really tough.
But it, it all starts that Illinois game and I know I'm not
breaking any new news here but it really starts there and I
think that the momentum thing is true because I think that you
were talking about what kind of fans support you're going to
have that game. I I'd be curious to see, I don't
think you're going to get 40, 45 thousand people.
I think it's going to be a light crowd.
I think this is definitely a fan base is like you gotta, you
gotta prove it to me and, you know, the team's going to have
to find their own motivation and fire themselves up if they want
to bring the fans back. And that's just the way it's,
that's just the reality of the situation.
Yeah, I think you're, I think you're spot on.
I think the Illinois game is going to tell us a lot of what
we need to know and I think we'll probably over react either
way if we win, you know. Back, I won't say what bad but
you know, if we win, it's like okay, okay, we've got a little
bit of momentum and if we lose it's like, you know, man, you
know, it's going to be, you know, it's if we think it's
somewhat - now it's going to be extremely -, but that's, that's
a game. We've got to come out and win
and talking about fans support. And, you know, I was talking to
you a little bit of before we before we started recording
about. I was I was a little bit
surprised to, you know, when Dolson spoke yesterday to hear
hear the numbers that, you know, student ticket sales were up,
he's expecting, you know, I I think, I think season tickets
were on Pace from last year and he's expecting a crowd of over
40,000 on Friday, and I know that there's a lot of incentive
to buy. Think we're both students and
season ticket holders to buy season tickets that it assists
with points for basketball tickets.
So there's some, there's an aspect that comes into play and
who's going to show up but you know all that said I was still a
little bit surprised by the number.
I think, you know, being a Friday night of a holiday
weekend, it's going to keep some people away but I also think
you're going to see a large student As I think it can be a
halfway decent crowd, but again, back to the game itself.
It's one, you know, after watching Illinois last weekend
is when you've got to come out and find a way you know to get
the W and get this season started off, right?
I don't want to be sitting here with an L because it's there's
just going to be a ton of negativity and that's not going
to help anything. I agree.
What are your expectations for the season this year in
football? You know, I again I'm going to
use the word hope again and you're going to, you know, you
mad. I'm just, it's It's tough,
right? I, you know, we set here a year
ago and, you know, I remember listening to your season preview
and then we spoke and you were you were talking off everyone
talking off win after win after win.
And I was, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say that I
wasn't, you know, I wasn't extremely hopeful that we're
going to come out and get eight nine wins because I was but I
also, you know, I also took a little bit of pause that.
I knew the 2020 depression Offensive production was going
to be extremely hard to duplicate and that was going to
put a whole lot of pressure on the offense, on an offense that,
you know, especially on a quarterback that hadn't proved
that he could play more than a couple of games, a season
healthy, you know, I knew that we obviously return tie fry
Fogel who, you know, he put up big numbers but you know, those
big numbers came in, you know, two to three games.
So the production was in a couple games and the other games
it's like okay. And there really wasn't that big
production that we saw against Ohio state that we saw against.
I think it was Maryland or whomever the other components
were I just knew with the way that the defense forced
turnovers in 2020, I think we had close to 20 interceptions
that year which was top five in the nation, losing our defensive
coordinator losing our top interception guy.
Yeah, research, we return some town but that's a lot of
pressure on a new defensive coordinator.
And that's a lot of pressure on an offense.
That's probably going to have to pick up some of the production.
So I took pause a little bit. I'm like, I don't know that
we're going to get to that. That 910 level, I think we're
going to come out and have success just with who we return.
But a lots got to go right for us to get you know to the level
that a lot of people are thinking we're going to get to.
I didn't expect to wins. I'll say that, right?
It really spiraled but you know to answer your question when you
look at this season I'm encouraged by the fact that At,
you know, we bring in some one. I'm encouraged that Islands
calling a defense. I think that the players are you
know he's going to have the players ready to go.
He's gonna have a player's motivated.
They're going to play hard for him.
He's not going to you know, he's not, he's not going to accept
anything less than that, right? I think we're going to get back
to well producing defense offense.
There's question marks all over the place, right?
I think if we come out in Jack, totals, the guy I'm going to be
instantly concerned just because of what we've already seen from
them. You know, and he's not a guy
that's going to go out and make plays he serviceable, right?
You can throw around the adage of a being a game manager.
I think if if it's not basil act, you know, there's some
concern, former SEC freshman of the year.
He's a guy that go out and make plays Big Arm.
You know, we bring in an SEC running back.
You know, are our three running backs are guys that really
didn't play a whole lot year last year, if you look at our
depth chart. So question mark question marks
there But from everything you're hearing about Sean Shivers,
you're thinking, he's a guy that come out and make an impact
provided. The offensive line does its job
and surprisingly enough from a few of the people, I've talked
to the first string offensive line has been looking pretty
decent, you know, in some of these, some of these scrimmages.
So, you know, we'll see question marks all over from the from the
receivers as well. You know, DJ Matthews has back
and help you You expect some things out of job on Swinton cam
camper and Emery. Simmons are guys that the
coaching staff is spoke highly of.
So you're putting a lot of Hope and a lot of unknowns.
But, you know, you're also bringing in some town that is it
is played at the division, one level.
So I think that there's some hope there that, you know,
things go the right way and, you know, we have a little bit
instant success. It can we can get to that 61
point. For hopes just throwing that out
there or three or four. Like you're like you're hanging
it's like I'm a picture in your hang in case for strikeout for
huh? Yeah I know.
Yeah. But you're throwing a game here
you mentioned you know it's last year when penix went down and
then you know, we were kind of going between Tuttle and
McCully. Everyone's all right, well this
season's kind of sunk because we do have a quarterback and that's
why quarterback is so important and bring that up.
Because You mentioned kind of like you who we see it starter.
I'm just curious your thoughts on this because I think it's I
think it's bizarre that we haven't named Bays lack as a
starter, you know again we're talking about, you know, an SCC
quarterback, a transfer, and how important the transfer market is
it's a little, it's a little weird.
If you're like another, you know, if you're another
quarterback in two or three years like I can't wait to
transfer to Indiana. And then being a quarterback
battle with their walk on who's thrown two touchdowns in two
years. And so, and yet, as you
mentioned, I think we're all in this agreement, You Know, Jack
tuttle's doing what he can, but if he's, our starting
quarterback this season expectations are greatly
adjusted. If he just shows up as the
starter, you know, first series against Illinois, I think the
crowds going to get a little murmur E.
I would say just to put it politely.
And so why is Alan doing this? Like why is he not naming, Bay's
lack as the starter? And he could also be I'm you
know, Gail mm, tweeted out Something that says got, this is
a tweet of a tweet, Osterman tweeted this out and Galen then
and hopped on it with our Crimson cast account.
But basically, that Tom Allen is also not including a too deep,
you know, roster. And then, if this is something
you college, football coaches now doing across the board,
like, you know, sarkeesian at Texas is no longer providing a
depth chart. So, coaches are starting to get
a little cranky with this stuff or just not offering
information. Maybe this is just all coaches
be like I we're done giving you guys info but even that is, it's
like You're you're not hiding. I just don't know why you don't
name a starter fine. Hold your depth charts.
Don't let us in practice. But why don't you just let base?
Like know and maybe they've done it internally and it's just like
we're not telling the fans are not telling the media but I'm
just I'm curious your thoughts because to me it seems pretty
obvious that you know, from what we saw with Tuttle last year if
he's really competing for the starting job.
We got some serious problems. Yeah, you know, honestly, I'm
pretty indifferent to the whole thing.
I think that I Truthfully think that like, you know, that coach
Alan thinks that there's some type of competitive Advantage
there. Or you know, it goes back to
like, not having a spring game because you don't want to put
any offense on tape. That that Illinois may see,
right? He's got a new offensive
coordinator by all counts of very new offense.
New skill position players all over the place, you know, for
me, it's just it's a thing where he doesn't want there to be.
Any sort of competitive advantage or tipping his cap in
any way, shape, or form, before he absolutely has to write.
I mean, because nobody knows what this offense is going to
look like besides those that are involved with the programmer on
the team. So for me, it's just like he's
keeping things close to the vest on purpose because he doesn't
want any information to leak out that.
It may be deemed a competitive advantage or, oh, now that we
know your quarterback, we can go back and study film on him.
And I mean, obviously, they're preparing for, you know, they're
not preparing for Bays locked. Then there it, I mean, just
like, just like Indiana Was preparing for Illinois, starting
quarterback, you know, Illinois is doing the same for us.
So I don't get the big deal on the quarterback thing.
I'm but again, I'm pretty indifferent to it.
It doesn't bother me that he's not.
But to me, it just goes back to him trying to keep any
competitive advantage of these things in his mind that the
program has. So yeah, I think it's to me,
it's kind of a whatever thing and it again, I'll go back to if
it is total. Like you just said, there's
going to be some people in the stands there.
Like oh Oh boy. Prove me wrong.
Yeah, me, it's one of those things were you as a fan from
last year, you've lost a little bit of my trust, but I agree
with you on the competitive Advantage, but my thing is,
like, if we come out and we have poor quarterback play, this is
one of those things where like, I will be in the stands on
Friday night. Being like, why are you being so
damn cute about this stuff? Like, why are you like not?
Like it's like and even if you weren't, you know, the coaching
staff wasn't even worth, it's just like this is where If you
like you're out cuting yourself. It's like they have to prove.
And to me, it's like, we need, crisp quarterback play.
And if there's a lot of mistakes at quarterback, I'm going to be
like what why are we focusing on the quarterback battle and not
this? Anyway, something I want to talk
more about in relation to football that Focus.
The, you know, maybe is more up my alley and a great new follow
on Twitter at Hoosier uniforms. Which, by the way, it's amazing
that Twitter handle was still out there for anybody listening
who wants to start their own pod.
Podcast or their own, you know, media platform.
Like there's tons of great, you know, handles available out
there is be creative. I'm curious as a, you know,
somebody who has the old mop lady Avatar.
So big into the old-school, Indiana ways of doing things.
Hoosier uniforms tweeted this out, but it's also been out
there in other places. But our new uniforms for this
year are kind of throwback to the old Anthony Thompson's the
block, I the old Hoosiers, they the Fanatics was selling it.
I have my new red, Old Hoosiers uniform.
I'll be wearing Friday night. What do you think of the going
to the Throwbacks for this year? I absolutely love them.
I mean, it was that that that I, you know, I kind of grew up in
that era of, you know, 90s, I you football, you know, and then
it obviously worked into the camp camaronera which was, you
know, a huge shift and in logos. Yes.
Yes and all that but you know, I grew up in that, you know, I was
I was a big Von Dunbar fan, you know, he's about, I live up in
Fort Wayne, he's a Fort Wayne Snyder grad and so, you know, I
remember those days. Well, Alex Smith.
Chris did. Oh, you know, that that uniform
was was, was the uniform that I you wore?
When I, when I really started to grow a passion for IU football
and like, if I'm being candid about it, I think it's the best
looking uniform that I use had. So, I'm a huge fan of it.
There are some, you know, there are some recent, you know, I
love the script. Indiana helmet.
I'd like, I'd like for them to keep kind of a rotation of there
because I really like their existing uniform to write I so
yeah, there are, you know, I'm not sure how they plan to kind
of balance, you know, existing versus what, what that I'm you
know. I'm not sure if they're wearing
the uniform that they released, if that's their permanent
uniform and that's all they're wearing.
Now, moving forward, if it is, I'm okay with it.
But, you know, if I had my choice, Blake.
Okay, let's, you know, let's let's break out the current ones
with the recent ones I guess I should say every so often as
well. Yeah, looks like they're going
to be doing the red at home and the white on the road.
Although we'll see when they actually come out and play, but
I agree with you. I like that's the error that I
grew up in the Anthony Thompson, Von Dunbar, you know, Trent
Trent, green, like that. That I like those those look
uniforms but I'm with you, I'd like to rotate in the current
ones. I actually, I mean this is again
what I really like Kevin Wilson did like the year that we had,
you know, the six uniforms and I remember at one point doing a
poll On Crimson castle. Like, what uniform are we
wearing next game? It's like, we had eight to pick
from. It's like, we had the Chrome.
We had the Indiana State helmet. I like the Chrome striped ones.
Like, I might be in the minority.
Like I thought those were cool. I loved the video when they show
it when they release those and how nuts the players went, I
think that for IU football, I like going to the old school
block, I but I do think this is where, you know, you can be
creative and like I like that are Era.
We were doing the wild looks. It's like there's if one thing,
India ball has its really like no tradition and I mean that in
a bad way, it's just, you go there.
It's like, you know, we're trying to do like, you know,
songs before third down, we kind of don't know what we're doing.
There's really very few things that we do.
You know, we do the the William Tell before the fourth quarter
that we stopped doing it, like there's very few things that you
could say, have been a tradition of IU football for 40-plus years
at the main tradition. Is, there is no tradition.
So it's like to me, like, let's Can you to move things around?
But yeah, I like going to these uniforms and I'm with you, I'd
like to see them basically rotate throughout the year and
just change it up all the time. It kind of feels like any time
we get close to having a tradition.
We make a change. It's like, well yes, we're
getting really close to that but let's let's mix it up a little
bit. It's time for something new, so
it's hard to create Traditions when you don't let them exist
long enough to become an actual tradition.
But yeah, because we had that first, we had that first down
song that and that was I think I think that was lynched starting
to Lynch hair and then when Wilson came it's like he was
playing too fast. So they had like, young Kate, it
and do like that that that that it.
Uh and it's like we couldn't get a first down song than that kind
of just went away. You know, glass brought back.
We did the William Tell Overture before the fourth quarter, which
I, I like then it's like our oats basketball thing and that
one away. I'm trying to think if there's
any, like, any fan thing that we've done in football that has
lasted, you know, since 1990s or the 2000s?
Yeah, not dating back that far. You know, I can't remember who
initiated the walk before the game.
That's yeah it's like that. Remember that that may have
been. I think that was a coach Hep
thing and then you know we've got his Rock UPS Rock but to
your point there's not there's not a lot of long standing you
know, Traditions like that that you see some programs have.
So I guess maybe one of the longest one now is, you know,
kids ripping bleachers out and throwing them over the edge of
royal stadium, you know. And then You've got the, you
know, the the we'll see if the the shirtless section of that's
right. Carries over to that was a big
deal there. I think it was a Rutgers game
where, you know, that received the most attention because the
on the field product was so dismal at that time, but we'll
see if that carries over. Yeah.
It's it's it's going to be an interest.
A lot of know. It's going to be an interesting
season. I'm ready for it.
Yeah. It's I'm just thinking out loud.
It's like trying to think of any of the, you know, any crowd
thing that has just been done for that long and there really
isn't and it is, it doesn't you're right.
Every time we have something going, we make a change based on
either the coaches a new Administration.
And it's yeah, it's a bummer because we feel it's this is the
fun part of getting old as somebody who went to, you know,
college in the late 90s. You know, you look at like
Wisconsin does Jump Around. Between the third and the fourth
quarter. And, at this point now, it's
like a tradition, everyone knows it, but it's like, that's a
House of Payne song that came out and like, 93.
So, it's like that, that, that started in.
I would say my lifetime. But now, if you're a college
kid, it's like, oh yeah, that you know, Jump Around is, you
know, sacrosanct and it's like, that's not to me.
That's not that new of our tradition is that you could
start something new. It's not like jump around as
that, you know, a classic from the 40s.
Like that's right. That's a house of pain 90s song
but it's like you could start something like that.
We just we for a basketball program that has so many little
points of tradition where it's like.
Alright we're going to always play Sweet Georgia Brown before
we go into the IU fight song with a minute to go and like
there's all these little twerks that aren't even massive
Traditions but it just you always do it.
It's weird that football has had none of had, none of them kind
of go all the way through. Yeah.
I think we've think we've started to play Jack and Diane
between the third and fourth quarter.
Now, I'm not sure that that would Will ever ever take off
but as a good one, we do Mellencamp's and I you guys.
Oh absolutely. I like it.
I, you know. Hopefully this season we have I
mean I mean I think it may have started last season and as the
season went on there were less and less people there to
experience the the song between third and fourth quarter.
But I mean, he looked back like like and not to not to not to
get off subject but like not back at the first four games.
And, you know, you talk about Idaho game, and then the
Cincinnati game and in the Ohio State game, we were averaging
close to 50,000 people in attendance, at each of those
games. And then for it to just spiral
to what. So, I guess my point is, it's
just like, if we can get some success and we can, you know,
and get some momentum, fans are gonna show up, it's just we've
just struggled to get to that point.
Any time that we do, you know something like last season
happens. So yeah, and it's I'll wrap up
on this for Football. And then I want to ask you a
couple of hoosier ticket project questions, but, you know, this
really is one of the best Big Ten.
Get home games were going to get this year.
When you look at like the SP plus rankings Indiana is ranked
86, projected wind, total 3.4, but Illinois is.
You know, 4.4? They're ranked 79th.
They're right in the same range that we are.
There Rutgers is 80th. So, you know, this is a game
that is gettable. It's on the schedule and it
really does set things up because if You know, if we're
really turning things around and last year was the aberration,
you should be able to beat Illinois at home.
You obviously should be Idaho at home.
You should beat Western Kentucky at home that that puts you at 3
& 0. That's the right momentum and
even if you know lose Cincinnati Nebraska Michigan's like you
come back you have Marilyn drucker's.
Those are winnable games and that's that's where I just hope.
I will say on the positive note to a fan base you know, if they
can start off on the right foot Put-put Michigan aside, like I
know it's gonna suck. They're going to come in.
They're probably going to crush us.
Like, don't use that as a like, comeback show up for Maryland,
like they're still hoping the season.
That's my only fear is that, you know, fans.
Look at this and just like, all right.
Well, you know Illinois. Yeah, they suck.
And then it's like you beat a bunch of nobodies and then it's
like, you get smoked by Michigan's.
Like I was his old IU football. It's like, no.
There's still, there's still reason to come out and support
the team. So, there you go, there's my
positive outlook for the year. Yeah, I mean, Start 3 and 0, and
then all of a sudden you've got 90 games to find three more
wins. And in my opinion, they exist in
there. I think, to your point, you
pointed out a couple different sections of the schedule.
Obviously, game one is is massive.
And and then you look at, you know, obviously, two ends right
there after. But you pointed to those that
Maryland and Rutgers game, there's there's there's two
games that I think you have to find a way to win, you know?
So to me, those are the really the two most important blocks of
the Or if they're, you know, your point out must wins and
trying to get to six wins. You know, you point to those
three games, like there's there's a three Big Ten
opponents that that you have to win and then who else and then,
who knows what else, you know, what else could potentially
happen. You talk a little bit about
Nebraska and you know what happens at Cincinnati when you
go in there with 33 you know three wins they lost a ton of
experience so who knows, you know, who knows what they look
like? I'm sure it's going to be a wild
environment but you know, you You never know.
So I would say, you know, I get I think getting to 6 is going to
be really tough getting to a bowl is tough.
I would say to me, a goal would be if you could get 25 wins
before the Purdue game and honestly what sucks?
The schedule probably means getting 25 wins after Rutgers
because I don't again, I think Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan
state is just, those are bridges too far.
But if you can get 25 and at least be in a spot where you
have a shot to win a A six-game. I think that gets you in a bit
of you don't win it and you don't beat Purdue having a
bucket game where you're not, just trying to get four wins but
trying to get to six wins. Like that's a going in there
with five as much different than going.
There were three or four and you know, he's been we look back at
the Allen are it's like that's something that we talked about,
you know, most seasons. He's had a bucket game where
you're going for a bowl berth and it's like that's a big deal.
So, I think to me, that would be a successful season as if we
have. Ability to get to a bowl because
I think saying, we got to get to a Bowl this year, is just that's
asking a lot. But I think that saying that,
you know, you're putting yourself in a spot where you had
a shot, and it's like, then it's like, let's see how that shot
goes to me. That, that's what we should be
looking for this year. Yeah.
And I think I'll end with this as well as like when you look at
coach Allen's tenure here, the the bottom line is that he's
done. He's had to do a lot of learning
on the job. You just has right first head
coaching job, you know? And you start to look at some of
the, some of the things, some of the boxes boxes.
He's been checking lately like last season was the first time I
think he's ever had to enter a season with the expectations as
high as they were right. And he admitted in the players
have admitted that they didn't handle those expectations.
Well, whether whether it was with, you know, you know you
heard Mike McFadden say during the season he's like there's
some things we did this. Summer and maybe some things we
didn't do this summer, to prepare for this season.
We came in thinking we were just going to, you know, walk through
some teams and it didn't happen, right?
And then, you look at some of the hires that coach Allen made.
And the bottom line is, there are things that he's learned
through this process and things that he would not do over.
It's a tough. What?
It's a big ask in division, 1 football in the Big 10 East to
learn on the job, right? It's you know it's a tough
position to be in but now you're getting to the point where Where
your damn hopeful that? He's learned from it, right?
There's some things that aren't going to happen again, he's
going to be better because of some of the things he's went
through, you know, he's back doing what, he's really good at
and coaching the defense and hopefully he made a decent
offensive coordinator higher. So you know that's I'm not I'm
not going to allow you to hang another K here so I'm not going
to use the H word. But you know, I think you've got
to put some trust. I'll use trust.
Instead, you got to put some trust in the fact that he's
learned. Things weren't a better spot
because because of it and internal going to be in a better
position to get some W's. Well and I will say something
I've talked about before. I think that, you know, if you
look at what happened in 2021, I think you have to step back to
2020 and after that Wisconsin game, I'll be quick.
So, I've mentioned this a couple of times, you know, everyone's
run, it's that great moment. The players like is the best
coach in America. And then there was a shift, it's
like we didn't make the New Year's Day.
Six Alan got pissed rightfully so we did make the Big Ten.
Championship game based on, you know, the Big 10 being like, hey
we like Ohio State. But you know, we got Alan got
pissed and you took the Big Ten logo off the off the Jersey.
We still only lost that bowl game by six like everyone kind
of thinks back on that Outback. Bowl is a man.
We got slammed by Ole Miss like there's a six-point game it was
maybe five it's like what's it was closer than it felt anyway
but the wheels fell off from there and I do think the
expectations got a little too high but I also think that Alan
started coaching from a place of anger as opposed to a place of
love and If nothing else, you seen that kind of the Elio and
coaching from that place of Love is definitely where he's had
success. And even if you go back to again
this is why that Illinois game is so important, getting off on
the right foot getting some momentum.
You look at 2019 2020 is a prime example of you.
Get momentum and Alan is really good when you kind of got some
positive vibes and thing to build off of but don't forget
2019 that's also a team that than a started to know but they
started three and one with a big Us to Ohio State, but who cares?
It's Ohio State. And then it's like, they played
Michigan State tough, but then they rattled off one, two,
three, you know, four straight wins in the Big Ten, two of them
on the road at Maryland, at Nebraska.
I think that's the first time we had won four straight, Big 10
games in like, 15, 20 years. And it's, it had been a, was not
a lot of stretches of IU winning four straight games to on the
road in the Big Ten and that's it.
You know, they went in, they played Penn State really tough
in. Happy Valley lost to Michigan
but then Back and beat Purdue and made it to a bowl game.
It's like again, they were kind of on a run and Alan has showed
when things start going right, he does have a history of kind
of pushing forward and getting results out like that 2019 team
only lost by 7 at Penn State in that in the midst of that run.
So he's shown that he can kind of push through and get
expectation, you know, results better than maybe what the team
should. So I think that's to me.
That's the other positive spin this year is The the runway is
there to get off to a good start and Allen shows, kind of like
when the bike is moving, and we're staying positive.
He's able to push that momentum through some walls that maybe
this team could punch above its weight.
So I think that's hopefully, the lesson that he's learned and
that once things start going well, it's like you start
coaching from that positive vibe and just understand that we're
not a team that can be the hunted.
We're not team that could be pissed.
We're not a team that can have a chip on our shoulder.
Shoulder. Like we just got to be positive
and as to me, it sounds corny but it's like you got to love
each other and you gotta just keep those Positive Vibes, you
know, rolling. So I'm hearing you correctly.
We need to hope and pray that Walt Bell but want Bell is Kalin
tube or right? Because when you when you when
you were listening, all those W is all I kept thinking.
It was man, we had man, I love Kalyn tube or he was, he was a
hell of an offensive coordinator and you know, you look at the
success he's had since then. So that's that's what I that's
why I heard you saying but noooo Oh, you were serious spot on,
right? I don't know.
Your momentum is everything. If we can get some, you know,
it's obviously, obviously what we need to, you know, get to get
to that 61 point. So, I'm hopeful there as well.
But the tenor you got to beat Illinois.
I don't want to, I don't want to use must win, though.
He doesn't have a again. This team doesn't have must
wins. This team doesn't have like you
got to do this this year but like I would really say that it
will annoy the more I think about it.
The more I look at this season, the more it's like for so many
reasons that we've all talked about.
And some fans support you got to beat Illinois, because if you
lose that game, there's no way that you could lose that.
I think where it's like, you're going to recover the fan base
this year, without doing something abnormal, because if
you, if you lose by Twenty, One or twenty eight points, I think
the fan base is gonna be like, all right, I'll see you in 2023.
Like, let's go. When does basketball start?
If you, if you lose a really close game, then it's going to
be like, all right? What's wrong with these players?
If it's a coaching decision that's going to put Put a lot of
pressure on the coordinators or Allen like that.
There's never a good way to lose a game but that's a, that's a
game where I just don't see a way that you can lose it and
have anything positive from a fan base perspective, which I
know is kind of a dumb thing because no loss is good.
But, you know, it was Ohio state.
The guy, who cares, but it's like, I don't think a close loss
is good on the get there. There's nothing positive out of
a loss, which again, I know this is just the dumbest thing to say
ever, but it really, it really is a more important game.
The more I started, Going to look at this season for so many
reasons for so many and you know, the staff knows as well or
they wouldn't be keeping things as close to the vest as they
have. So it's big for everyone and and
wanted man, I don't want to be sitting here next week with an
l, so I'm going to show up cheer loud and do my part and, you
know, hopefully work. Hopefully, we're still sitting
here next week with some hope. Yeah, I agree.
Now. Let's talk a little bit of
basketball and so for those who don't know, you are connected
with and you've helped start the Hoosier ticket.
Checked, you can check them out. Who's your ticket project.org?
Let us know what's going on with the ticket project, you know,
right now this season what you guys are doing for basketball
this year? Yeah.
So it's an exciting time for us on multiple levels.
Obviously, you date back to our launch last December.
And, you know, it was quite honestly, in every aspect it was
like, drinking from a fire hose. The reception was, was
phenomenal. We hit the ground running.
We were, we were operating, you know, With which really just
three of us initially, and it was, you know, it was, it was
very reactive, right? We get tickets, find homes for
tickets. The amount of tickets we got
were, were, you know, greatly exceeded our expectations.
So, we didn't have a whole lot of time to kind of strategize
and put together a plan on how we really want to operate and
how we really want to grow kind of what we're doing.
But we've had a chance to do some of that this summer, we've
added some volunteers when I continue to add some volunteers,
but we're starting to create relationships.
Us with, with youth organizations places like Big
Brothers, Big Sisters, planning, special events with these
organizations, you know? And, and that's a big thing for
us is just expanding our presence with, within those type
of organizations. That really have that need that
fit our mission in terms of, you know, removing the financial
barrier for, for Youth and families that really need the
barrier removed and to attend, Indiana, football, basketball
games, or really, whatever sport that that I use.
So, yeah, we're we've got, we've got, we're going to have a
presence at the football game. This Friday we'll have a, you
know, we'll be putting that out on social media kind of where
we're set up. We got a pretty cool too.
Pretty cool tailgate tent that. If people want to stop by and
and learn more about us, they can you know we'll be floating
around, I'll be floating around. The tailgate area is Amanda on
our team will be to the following week.
Our whole team is going to be there for an event that we're
having. So you know.
And then obviously Eating, you know, leading it.
This is gonna be a first football season.
So, you know, we're accepting ticket donations for football
season. We're going to be sending a
bunch of folks to the game on Friday.
And then again the following week and throughout the season,
but then obviously, the momentum that we have for this basketball
season were expecting kind of some, some pretty cool things.
There some cool events, you know, ways to fundraise and get
the word out about us, but it's all systems go right now and
we're continuing to expand and grow and build relationships
across the state with organizations that.
The you know, we want to be able to help out so it's a, you know,
it's a fun time. It's a busy time but it's
certainly a rewarding time as well with the way things that
grow have grown with Hoosier ticket project, are you able to
provide tickets through that profit through the project for
all football, and basketball games this year?
Yep. Absolutely.
Yeah, we saw that. Yeah.
It's kind of multifaceted, right?
We, you know, if you have tickets that you can't use or,
you know, for whatever reason, right maybe season.
It's that you can't make it to a certain game, or you bought
tickets and can't go, you know, we make it easy to transfer them
to us. And we'll find a home for him.
But also, you know, is as I mentioned, we're working with,
with, with other other nonprofit organizations, other youth
organizations. But, you know, we had a big
giving Blitz in about a month ago where we raised over 10,000
dollars. And that, that allows us to go
out and purchase tickets blocks at tickets to send groups to
games. And, you know, I used Great and
working with us, to make it as cost effective as possible, but
you'll see some pretty cool things.
I don't want to get too far ahead but with an event that
we're having, but you know, we're going to be sending, you
know, we're working with a large Youth Organization.
We're going to be sending quite a few people to to a game here,
early in the season, and we're excited about that.
But that's what it allows us to do.
That's what those donations allow us to do is, is get people
get people to the game that never would have had a chance to
go. So to answer your question yet,
will you Spect to send every every basketball game, every
football game, every women's basketball game.
We have a goal of trying to send somebody to every single home
game so and we'll, or well in route to doing so that's
awesome. That's awesome.
I think it's a lovely idea because a it's great to get
people who, you know, don't have access to tickets.
The ability to go to. These games, is also a great.
Just as a fan, it's likely, I'd much rather have seats used and
get IU fans in there. And for all of us who are I you
fans who have been to either And definitely Assembly Hall.
You know, you remember those first couple of games, you
remember having those moments and it creates lifelong fans
which you know, all of us want IU football and basketball to be
good and to be better and that that happens with having more
fans and more people wearing red and white cream and Crimson.
So, you know, I I applaud you. I think it's a great program and
I will say this, I've been a season ticket holder since 2008.
I need to start working with you and giving you some of my
tickets, I'm not using, but I went into getting basketball
tickets, and I've actually my dad was a, we had Professor
tickets before that. So we've been going, we've been
ticket holder since like 88 87 with IU basketball.
But I've had my own set of tickets.
And so, anyway, long story short, I thought, oh, I get
basketball tickets. Like, once I got them, like,
it's gonna be great. I can scalp all the ones, I'm
not going to go too even when teams are good, like, even
during the ranked number one, in the country with the crean era.
A lot of Those non-conference games where you're playing, you
know, Jackson State or whatever. They just don't, they don't sell
well on the open market so you know you might get 20 30 bucks
this year, the years that were not great.
You know, they're going for two or three bucks on StubHub most
of the time, either that or I suck at scalping tickets.
There's there's one of those two things.
What all I'm saying is that, you know, I'm not saying give all
your garbage tickets to lose your ticket project.
This is probably the worst that worst promotion ever but it's
like, you're not If you're going into this thing, I'm gonna make
a ton of money, scalping tickets, you're not.
And so it's like if you're not going to go, this is the best
way to provide other people the opportunity.
And it's really not a massive, you know, cost loss to you if
you have those tickets. Well, and I'll say this, you
know, your garbage tickets and I'm learning this, right?
And it comes from, you know, being able and, you know, having
the ability to go to games when I want to go to games.
But your garbage tickets, are somebody else's treasure
tickets. Yeah.
And, you know, you look, It specifically basketball, right?
And and you know, you look at the, you know, the arena.
The arena is largely, you know, majority taken up by season
tickets. And you look at some of those
early games and the individuals that have had tickets for years,
their games that they just choose, not to go to in some of
them, you know, are at a place and we're they don't necessarily
even want to put the energy towards trying to sell them,
they'll just sit on them and not use them.
And that's that's really where we've started to provide an
outlet. You know, folks are learning
about the About us. And it's a no-brainer form, and
they'll get those tickets over to us.
And we'll, we'll get them in the hands of somebody that it's
never had the opportunity to sit in Assembly Hall for a, for a
game. So, you know, it's a really cool
thing. Especially when you start kind
of peeling back those layers and finding, you know, finding these
organizations these kids, these really, you know, these, these
these places that, you know, can send folks for the first time.
It's and you get to experience it in person and Come down the
court and down to the field or whatnot.
It's a pretty special moment to be able to be there and see
that. And you know just makes you it's
rewarding, right? It just makes you want to
continue to spread the word. So yeah, so do you guys are out
there or not aware? Check them out.
Who's your ticket project again? Hoosier ticker, Hoosier ticket,
project.org, before we wrap up Martha, Just One Last Question.
We're not going to a big basketball preview now, but,
what are your, give me the one minute thought where your head
is at for, Basketball coming up this year, man.
I I am as is excited about basketball season is, I've been
in some time just with I really think they started to find
something. Towards the end of last year.
This you know, offensively and obviously with what they return
and who they've added, you know, my one concern is is, are there
enough minutes to go around, right?
I mean we've got we've got a lot of Talent on that bench.
So it's going to be interesting to see how its managed and
maintained, you know, and If we can slightly improve our
perimeter shooting, you know, you look at some games last
year, Iowa Rutgers so, so nicely said, slightly improve like
this. Again, we're talking about,
like, if we can make one or two more threes, a game.
I mean, that's, that's the difference in a, in a couple of
these games we're wide open looks and they've rimmed out.
But, you know, in by all accounts and everything you hear
when you hear coaches talk, I've listened to some podcasts with
with Brian Walsh. And, you know, they talk about
how these guys shoot. Shoot in practice, like Miller
cop for examples, just lights out and it's like man if that
can translate to slightly improved perimeter shooting this
season I think Indiana can you know really make a significant
run in March? I'm not saying they're you know
they're their final four bound but man they've got the talent
across the board the bit. I think On Any Given night they
can beat anybody and you know lots got to go right and it's
going to be, you know what? Since going to have to coach,
right? He's got a, he's got a lot of
players there. Don't want that are going to
want. And it's, but you look at race
and Trace coming back. And what we return on the
perimeter and who we add, who we added, it's lined up, to be a
pretty on paper to be a pretty significantly solid season.
So, I'm excited, man. I think the big games early in
the season. I've got tickets to go out to
Vegas, you know to watch him play, Arizona, they're playing
Kansas North Carolina. It's like to me on.
I just have this feeling that Indiana starting to Get back,
you know, from a from a visibility standpoint back to
where they belong right now. There's going to be some results
that go along with that if they're going to want to stay
there. But man, this is a type of
schedule but Indiana should have.
This is the type of momentum that Indiana should have.
That just hasn't existed, you know, consistently enough over
the past decade. So man, I'm I'm thrilled man,
I'm excited. You know, it's going to be a fun
year. Yeah, I'm in the same boat on a
lot of those things. I'm actually going to Vegas as
well. So, Let's talk.
Yes, let's sit let's set up a crimson cast.
Hoosier ticket project, Martha, the mop lady something out, in
Vegas. It's funny.
I was telling my wife, I already have Vegas book and I was like,
I want to go to Vegas and the Kansas game and she's like, oh
yeah, go for it, you know, and I'm like, all right, those are
back-to-back weekends in December, so yeah, it's fine, we
have two young, you know, two youngest boys.
Now nine and six and so I guess, fine.
And I'm like, I need to get a video of you saying this.
Maybe this is my great wife. Told me, it's fine.
She's like you have a great time.
Like Cause you're we're going to get to December 18th or
whatever. And I'm like, hey, I'm just got
back from Vegas. I'm about to drive to Kansas and
I'm going to get divorced. It's like you told me this was
okay, because that's what I'm going to both of the or my plan
is to go to both of us. By the way, it's like UNC
Arizona, Kansas back-to-back-to-back.
It's just going to be a great three and a half weeks stretch
of basketball, but yeah, I was, I good.
No. I was, you know, to your point
with, with the back-to-back and the, you know, you know, trying
to identify which games I was I was On going to, I was reminded
of the the Tiger King gift that says I'm never going to
financially recover from this. I was thinking of that when I'm
like, man I'm just thinking of the cost associated with going
to some of these games. But these are, like once I mean,
how often you get a chance to see North Carolina and Assembly
Hall or go to Kansas? Are go watch IU playing Vegas.
So it's it's gonna be a lot of fun.
I will say this but I have a lot more time to talk about
basketball but this is I don't want to like hit strawman
arguments, but you know, you look at, you know, Woodson came
in with some advantages having played at IU but also at never
coached college basketball had never recruited.
But to me this is and we have to have some of the results this
year that we are expecting. But we you know, we look at this
year, we're going to start the season ranked.
We're going to be a favorite to compete for a Big Ten title and
it's You're too. And this is what I always
frustrated me with the Archie Miller era, where it's like we
just need another year, like just going to take some time.
It's like if if you know what you're doing, Indiana in
basketball is a place where you can turn it around quickly.
The talent is very fertile in this in the Midwest and Indiana
and it's like this never is this a program that it should take
you no more than two to three years to turn around and be back
at a level. And again, I understand that.
Haven't played a game in year 2. Yet we have to have the results
to match it up but it definitely feels like the floor has been
raised and this is something that's just for all Indiana fans
to keep in mind for basketball, you know.
If and when that ever, we have a coaching change again.
It's like this, this doesn't take this long, it shouldn't
take that long, it's a 18 to 24 month.
Reset, if you're not humming where you want to be,
something's not right. All that said, Woodson I am in
the same boat as you like, we got to get the results to back
it up but it feels Like we are humming.
It feels like we're back. I don't think we're winning a
title this year. I do they're going to a final
four this year. I'm not even sure we're going to
actually win the Big Ten, but it feels like we're going to be
competing for the Big Ten. We're going to be, you know
competing for a second weekend. In March, we might be a
protected. See like all these things are
building up words, like it feels like the program has momentum
and it is, it is nice to see that and it feels right.
And it shows it's like, dude it's Woodson's been here.
What? Not even 24 months and it's like
we're already. It feels like Like things are
back on track. And it does feel like a fan base
has its expectations in line because I don't feel as I talk
through it. I don't feel a lot of people who
like we're gonna win the title this year.
It's like it feels like expectations or in line were
growing like it does, it feels good.
It's like a nice way. That's building up at the right
momentum. We're back in conversations that
we haven't been in in some correct conversations that we
should that your point that Indiana should always be in,
right compete for the Big Ten title.
Should have a, you know, can, you know, has the potential to
play well into the second weekend of the tournament?
All those conversations that haven't existed.
And again, to your point that it, it shouldn't be this hard
Indiana, right. When you look at, like, the
amount of tournaments that have been missed over the last 10 to
15 years, it's mind-boggling and, you know, maybe it's comes
from a place of, you know, too high of expectations and I you
fans or, you know, you know, they're they're unrealistic
Maybe So, but like I'm with you, it should not have ever been
this hard in Indiana, you know, with the resources available
with the talent pool around. It's something that again, it
should be fixed relatively quickly.
And, you know, I just again, I'm glad we're back in conversations
that we haven't been in in quite some time.
And hopefully that, you know, hopefully we hopefully, we can
check some boxes in terms of getting to that second weekend
of potentially playing for Big Ten Crown.
I think that you know will be set up well for the future.
Hope that other fan bases are feeling that way about us
because I look at this on a flip side.
Like I know football takes a little bit longer but you look
over at Nebraska and it's like I heard some stat that like Scott
Scott Frost could win 50 games in a row and still not have won
as many games in Nebraska as Bo Pelini did and they fired him.
And it's like, I look at Nebraska and it's like, this
shouldn't be that hard for them. They have, they have an area.
It's just carved out. They have that history.
Like they have a huge booster base.
They got a great Stadium, they have.
The history like this, shouldn't be that hard for them, but then
again as a team that's competing, get some like this is
great like keep Scott Frost there, right long as you want.
And I do wonder if other teams around the Big Ten Or look at
you have looked at Indiana for 15-20 years the same way as
like, man, that's that's a sleeping giant.
Like I'm great having them, not figuring it out and I, you know,
if we can bring the results that were expecting this year, I do
wonder if around the Big Ten other fans you like, oh, like
there. They're coming back, and that's
not good. Just like I would if like, you
know, Nebraska fired Scott Frost today and hired whomever
somebody new. And then it's like they suddenly
go six and six next year, at 8, and for the year after I'd be
like, oh God, but why? I wouldn't care because we're in
the Big 10 East, We're not gonna play him, but it's like, if I
was Wisconsin, like, oh my gosh, it's our patch just got harder.
So I, it feels like we're on that, right?
Trajectory. So there's a weird mix between
us and to Braska that makes no sense.
I agree. 100% Martha been awesome.
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