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Hi folks. 
Before we get to the main 

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program which we recorded this 
morning, Sunday, October 1st, we

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had to record an addendum to put
in front of the program that we 

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recorded earlier on today. 
Because, of course, news broke 

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around 1:00 in the afternoon 
that I U had fired Walt Bell, 

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the offensive coordinator for 
Indiana University football and 

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replaced him on a permanent 
basis with Rod Carey, the 

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quality control coach. 
First of all, hi, this is 

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Crimson Cast, Galen Clavio, 
Scott Caulfield joining. 

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I'm assuming you will know that 
if you're listening to this, but

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Scott, we try not to put 
inaccurate or out of date 

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information out there regarding 
anything that we do and we felt 

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compelled to record. 
We almost rerecorded the whole 

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podcast. 
We decided we debated that we 

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were going to leave the original
podcast we recorded in its 

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entirety because most of our 
conversation about the loss to 

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Maryland and the overall state 
of the program is still there. 

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There's a lot of Walt Bell talk 
in there, which is going to 

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sound either out of date or 
prescient, I can't decide which.

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But Scott, let's go ahead and 
just kind of dive into this and 

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talk about the fact that Walt 
Bell's been fired after one and 

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a third seasons as I U offensive
coordinator. 

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This was during obviously a 
couple of seasons for I U that 

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have not gone very well at all 
we talked about. 

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In the main podcast, which 
you'll hear a lot of the 

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offensive inadequacies in Walt 
Bell's tenure. 

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I U only scored more than 24 
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opponent and that was Maryland 
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against last year and then only 
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year. 
So your initial thoughts and 

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reactions to I U firing its 
second offensive coordinator in 

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the last 22 months. 
Yeah, it. 

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I'm surprised that it happened 
now I I mean the offense was was

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really bad. 
What what's hard to parse here 

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is how much of it was Walt 
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How much was was this something 
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wanted to run That because it's 
not like this is vastly 

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different than what we saw under
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When you go back then things do 
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coordinators so so you know it's
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You know, whether this is what 
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or whether this is the Walt 
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There's also what we talked 
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can only do so much. 
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everybody wanted to run an 
option set up, you need the 

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right players in the right 
places to run an option set up. 

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But I don't think we have that. 
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on the players. 
I'm just not sure we have the 

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right set to run kind of any 
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a high level. 
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happened now. 
It's funny because I was 

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thinking during our pod today, I
was like, well, we'll talk about

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it later in the season, like. 
I think it's I thought it was 

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interesting all of the like 
angst of toward the Walt Bell we

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got to get rid of Walt Bell 
because I don't know what that I

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don't know what that solves. 
Like the the thing about this 

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move is it does feel like all 
right we we hear you fans you're

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pissed so here's Walt Bell as a 
sacrifice and but but it also 

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means like you know we talked 
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Darren Hiller had you know years
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offensive line. 
You fire him mid season and it's

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like that's OK like I'm happy 
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changes you made. 
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last year because you can't just
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line. 
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offense here is like okay, I 
guess, like thank you for 

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hearing us that you're unhappy 
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But it's like this doesn't, I 
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solves anything for this year 
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players. 
You can't do that and you can't 

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just install a new offense in 
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Michigan. 
That's like not exactly an easy 

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place for Indiana to play. 
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It's good. 
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I mean, I don't know. 
I don't think it fundamentally 

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changes anything that's going to
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Maybe we run a couple more, you 
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middle, but I don't think it 
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But I guess it means that people
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that the fans are pissed. 
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That's kind of my initial 
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I agree with a lot of that. 
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setup. 
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will hear some of this. 
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the Walt Bell conundrum on the 
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There's no question that Walt 
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as play caller was just not 
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And as we mentioned in the 
podcast, you know, I like the 

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things that Walt Bell said in a 
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conferences. 
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know, if you lose last year is 
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new off, new offensive 
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They got a new quarterback. 
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personnel. 
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coach that gets fired in week 
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was week 6 actually, they fired 
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loss, which was on October 9th. 
So almost a year to the day, you

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know, you could maybe make 
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performance, but there were no 
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offense as anemic as it looked 
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imagination in the play calls. 
I don't think you know this. 

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As we've talked about many 
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based business, coaching at any 
level and it's a hair quick on a

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trigger as you would normally 
get for an offensive coordinator

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and I'll come back to that in a 
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But if you were trying to defend
Walt Bell, the only defense you 

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could really give was, well, he 
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And that's not really a good 
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And so I don't philosophically 
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perspective, I don't have a 
problem with the firing because 

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I use got to learn how to score 
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But you know, the larger issue 
here is why was Walt Bell hired 

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in the 1st place? 
Because as we talked about on 

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the main show. 
So I just just kind of give you 

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guys heads up for what you will 
hear again. 

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Why would you, Why would you 
hire Walt Bell as offensive 

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coordinator? 
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during his time here at I U 
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what happened during his time as
offensive coordinator at Florida

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State, offensive coordinator at 
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I mean, all of this was there. 
He was not an effective. 

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Offensive coordinator just by 
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And you know what? 
What made the higher galling at 

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the time was the the realization
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Football closely knew that you 
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like to hat tip our good friend 
and longtime Crimson cast 

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listener Sam by Sizing, who went
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This quote and this was in 
relation to the people talking 

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about this yesterday, Walt 
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were looking for, Tom Allen said
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His experience, creativity and 
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fit. 
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the leader of the offense and 
Walt will be that. 

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We welcome him and his family to
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And so this was Tom Allen's 
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Tom Allen decided that Walt Bell
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coordinator. 
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keep in mind the context. 
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even in the position to be hired
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and hired an unproven offensive 
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that went S incredibly quickly, 
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position of having to go higher.
This offensive coordinator and I

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have a hard time believing that 
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choice. 
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believing that there was a 
national search that Tom Allen 

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looked at all the options and 
said Walt Bell's the guy we want

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it. 
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especially with him being 
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was the best that Allen could do
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the program and the 
circumstances around the program

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seemed to be there's a certain 
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wants I you to play that is. 
Largely out of step with how the

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game is being played, and Allen 
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protective of his existing 
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former offensive line coach. 
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factored into the equation, we 
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little information about how the
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But a lot of people called out 
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I mean, I'm talking about people
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with I U Football called out. 
Like, why is this the hire? 

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And so it's no surprise that we 
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of 2023 and Walt Bill's no 
longer the head coach or the 

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sister, excuse me, the offensive
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But that does kind of fall in 
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significantly when this was the 
guy that you said was the ideal 

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fit to now just kind of 
unceremoniously dump him, you 

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know, five games into the the 
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coaching. 
Illustrates that there's some 

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much larger structural issues 
which we already knew about, but

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it's like another underline and 
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And so again, I'm not going to 
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I think you know you you put 
yourself in situations where. 

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You know you. 
Don't perform. 

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You're going to get fired, but I
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call into question the entire 
process that's surrounding I U 

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football right now. 
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You know you and I have talked 
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about this like we're we're 
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at this. 
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hire and now that you've gone 
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like you said 22 months you've 
gone through a defensive 

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coordinate. 
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talked about going into last 
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It's like all right you've 
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like now you have your new 
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setup. 
Tom Allen like this is. 

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This is where you go. 
And now you've gone through that

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and now you've, you know, gone 
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and you you've now fired an 
office coordinator in the middle

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of the season like that. 
There comes a point where I 

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don't want to start a weekly Tom
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there does come a point where 
it's like we're out of other 

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moves. 
Like at some point you know that

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it's like moving, you know, 
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some point we have to stop 
moving other chess pieces 

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around. 
We can do this and see if it 

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gets better, you know, but. 
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offense. 
We're talking about Walt Bell. 

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It got me thinking. 
You know, this is, as you 

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mentioned, with not you like it 
is Tom Allen's defense and his 

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defensive scheme. 
I was just going back and 

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looking at the number of points 
this defense has given up over 

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the last couple seasons, just 
FBS opponents. 

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I'm taking out the 2020 season 
just because it was such a wonky

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season, but I could add that 
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But in 2018, the team gave up on
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and went to a ball. 
They gave up 26 points a game. 

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2021 they gave up 35 points a 
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In 2022 they gave up 35 points a
game so far this year, getting 

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better, they gave up 28 points a
game. 

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The last time we gave up single 
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two team was Northwestern in 
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Since then we've had 21 games. 
We've given up more than 30 

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points. 
You know and this is the this is

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where I kind of like you know 
say all right the the defense is

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also a problem like if we're 
going to be firing coordinators 

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before I fire all the 
coordinators. 

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But I'm I'm getting off a little
bit on what we're here to talk 

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about. 
But it's just no, it's a good 

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point in that it really does 
feel like this is it's it's it's

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hard to get your head wrapped 
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I mean this is now you you know 
over the course of the last four

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years you've you've cycled out a
starting quarterback. 

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You've brought in and cycled out
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You've brought in an 
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hired an offensive coordinator 
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offensive line coach and now you
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you fired a coordinator and then
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you fired a defensive 
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yourself Dave as a coordinator. 
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one OK about about the new hire 
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these things relatively quickly 
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I I do think it's weird that the
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who I think had the news 1st and
has done a good job of of of 

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following up on it, noted in his
report that Rod Carey who is the

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new offensive coordinator is not
an interim offensive coordinator

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but is fulltime offensive 
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I'm hoping that that's a 

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miscommunication or that there 
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seeing because if. 
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to replace and again I said like
I don't have a problem with that

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Bell firing from a purely 
football perspective. 

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But you know, Allen's under 
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A lot of fans already have it in
their head that always going to,

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you know, get fired this year or
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of next year. 
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that necessarily In either case,
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I don't think you can assume it.
So to sign someone. 

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As a permanent offensive 
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extends after December 1st of 
this year, if that's indeed what

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happened and again big caveat if
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until the end of the season, 
this is all for not. 

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But if it is beyond this season 
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disappointing thing to see given
what we've already seen in terms

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of the decision making around 
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coaching staff because. 
This will mean that you've now 

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hired multiple offensive 
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Multiple coordinators with 
offensive and defensive on multi

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year contracts fired them with 
Nick Sheridan. 

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You didn't do a national search.
You hired internally with with 

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Walt Bell. 
You did a national search and 

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what you came up with was wasn't
great. 

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But now you're not going to do 
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instead you've hired someone who
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coordinator since 2012. 
And you know, Rob Carey was a 

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very successful for the level of
football. 

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Head coach at Northern Illinois 
was not that successful at 

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Temple. 
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about the end of his tenure at 
Temple, it really didn't. 

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And well, I mean there's there's
literature out there to, to 

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check out on that. 
There were a lot of problems at 

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the end of his tenure. 
I know, but carries up. 

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He's an I U alum. 
He played football on the 

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program during the Mallory era. 
You know, maybe things are 

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different here, but it's like it
feels like you can't make a 

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permanent change in the middle 
of the season. 

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You make a temporary change. 
You put somebody on staff in 

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that role and then you you have 
to make some kind of a national 

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search to figure out who you 
would bring in you. 

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I think just handing the baton 
off to a coordinator who hasn't 

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been a coordinator in 12 years, 
who was on staff. 

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I think everything we read last 
year, specifically Rod Kerry 

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didn't want to be a coach. 
He wanted to be in that quality 

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control role. 
That's your new permanent 

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offensive coordinator. 
Again, we'll see what that ends 

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up looking like, but that's just
a very weird sequence of events 

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and it doesn't feel like what 
you would do logically as you're

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trying to continue to build your
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depression that it's in right 
now. 

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Yeah, well, you put yourself and
it's not lost on me too that, 

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you know, Tom Allen was also 
just ran not randomly but named 

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as the just official head coach 
in a point where you feel like 

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it could have also been interim 
when you went from Wilson to 

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Allen. 
But no, I I agree. 

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Like now you're in an odd spot 
where. 

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Again, what this could all be 
for not but to not name him 

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interim is odd because it's 
like, all right. 

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So if if he's going to be your 
offensive coordinator next year,

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it does beg the question of like
are we no long like that was 

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kind of the issue is like Walt, 
you know, Walt Bell was like 

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that's the best we could get. 
Like is this? 

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Is this the best we could get if
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But then if you do go for a new 
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that I, I have us down for, you 
know, that's for offensive 

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coordinators in five years, 
which is not normally how a 

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successful program is run unless
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everyone's getting hired to NFL 
and other jobs and you're having

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to replace them. 
But that's not what happening 

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here normally. 
You know you need some sort of 

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stability at Coach and it's like
this is. 

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This is where a lot of this 
cognitive dissonance is 

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happening, where it's like the 
the only logical reason to say 

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we're going to continue with, 
you know, this craziness is like

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we need to have some consistency
at the head coach level because 

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you need consistently 
consistency in coaching. 

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It's like, but we're not doing 
that anywhere else. 

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So it it does put the IT puts I 
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they they're kind of have no 
good options here where you 

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either go with somebody who's 
unproven or you know just 

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another internal candidate which
you've done that or you're again

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doing. 
Four and five years, which is 

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just. 
It's not a path to success at a 

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program like I that's what I 
continue to tell friends is you 

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know we did pretty well in the 
portal. 

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It's like that's you know I I 
always quote you and you're 

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right. 
You look at programs like Iowa 

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and Wisconsin like programs that
don't have the the the 

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recruiting pool to go from like 
how are they able to build a 

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program be successful. 
You know they they they find 

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players. 
They build players like they do.

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They have very bedrock things 
that they go with that they're 

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not able to just live in this 
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World where that we don't times 
are changing and you can look at

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Colorado like oh Dion did. 
It's like all right well Dion is

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a one and one like that's a one 
of one. 

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You know you you have to have 
some kind of core value. 

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You can't just continue to have 
this change and do an offensive 

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coordinator every year or two 
anyway. 

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I'm It's all that's well. 
Taken and you're right and and 

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there is no consistency and it 
just it really does feel like 

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desperation on the part of Tom 
Allen. 

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I mean, it really does and and. 
There there's I mean, and we and

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we talk about this in the main 
show the the all the talk in the

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postgame press conference about 
evaluating everything. 

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It's like that that ship sailed,
man. 

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I mean it. 
The evaluation period was the 

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offseason. 
The evaluation period was 

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supposed to be after the Akron 
game. 

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I don't. 
The team is what they are at 

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this point. 
And look, I mean the the what 

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they do with the offense. 
I don't know what's going to 

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change with this offense with a 
play calling, get better, I 

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guess. 
But what confuses me is, you 

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know, Alan spent all that time 
in the postgame press conference

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talking about execution, not 
play calling. 

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So is is the problem that the 
coach hasn't gotten the offense 

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to execute? 
I mean, I don't know exactly 

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what a quality control coach 
does within Allen's system, but 

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is that part of his job? 
Is is he going to get the 

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offense to execute better? 
It does feel like you said at 

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the beginning and we'll wrap up 
with this and get you guys to 

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the main pot. 
But it does feel like here's, 

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here's the red meat you were 
asking for. 

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Please leave me alone. 
Which is what the Hiller firing 

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felt like. 
And it's what the Nick Sheridan 

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hire or firing felt like. 
I mean it, Really. 

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Leave me alone. 
Partly. 

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Here you go. 
Just talk to me in 3 weeks. 

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And look, I mean, I'm not 
surprised it happened now. 

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I mean, we were joking about how
we were surprised it hadn't 

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happened when we were doing the 
original recording this morning 

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at like 9:30. 
So you know, look, they've got a

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bye week. 
If you're going to do it, you 

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better do it fast and you better
really give yourself an 

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opportunity to try to fix 
whatever you think is going to 

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be fixed by changing offensive 
coordinators. 

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Maybe. 
Maybe it has an impact. 

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I severely doubt it. 
And I do worry about the 

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longterm ramifications if they 
hand rod carry a contract is 

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permanent offensive coordinator 
that lasts beyond December 1st 

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of this year because regardless 
of whatever. 

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You think the longterm prospects
are of Tom Allen. 

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Tom Allen needs to be coaching 
like he's going to be here for 

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the remainder of his contract. 
You don't just punt another 

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season into the sun. 
You know with it with you know, 

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without at least having looked 
at who, What are the options out

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there? 
Maybe we maybe we increase the 

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pool. 
Maybe we allow the next 

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offensive coordinator to pick 
his offensive coaching staff. 

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You know, maybe maybe we do it 
differently than we did last 

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time. 
And maybe you get somebody in 

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who's got ideas who can actually
make something of the offense. 

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I mean, to me, as much as people
are ready to give up on the Tom 

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Allen era, I I get it. 
I'm certainly very skeptical 

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that they're going to be able to
pull out of this tailspin that 

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they're in. 
But the you can't make moves 

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like this in my opinion, without
broadening your search and 

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thinking, okay this is. 
I U this is a big 10 program. 

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It's it's one of the the 
wealthiest programs in terms of 

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revenue generation in the whole 
country to just be like, well, 

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we're going to let this guy be 
permanent offensive coordinator 

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when he might not be the best 
fit long. 

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Term that's different than 
saying he's going to be interim 

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now. 
I'm saying go ahead name of 

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interim now that's fine. 
But that's where I'm curious 

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about what the contract 
extension is. 

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And I'm also skeptical that this
has it makes a dent. 

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But it you know again going back
originally, I don't think the 

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firing itself is unjustifiable. 
I think it's actually quite 

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justifiable. 
It's just a payment went down 

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the way that it did. 
I need to like, start prefacing.

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This is going to be a joke. 
So letting people know, like, 

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these are jokes, but, you know, 
maybe if you're Dolson, you're 

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like, all right, you know, we, 
we keep, you know, the buyout is

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big for Alan, but we're just 
going to make him pay for an 

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offensive coordinator firing 
every year. 

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So it's like every year, just 
like, hey, you're, you're 

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actually losing $1,000,000 your 
salary because like. 

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At some point, it's got to be 
like I this job's great, but I'm

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tired of paying for coordinators
every year. 

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You know that and I will say, I 
mean financially, you were going

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to pay Walt Bell the $175,000 
remaining on his contract 

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regardless of whether he coached
the rest of the. 

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Season or not, that's not really
a big element. 

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It is. 
But I do get the joke that 

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you're making. 
It is funny. 

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I am curious to see if something
gets leaked, like, well, Allen 

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had to pay for this too. 
I doubt it, but it'll be. 

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Interesting to see. 
Anyway, Scott, I'm looking 

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forward to taking a week off 
frankly from talking about I U 

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Football. 
But if if news breaks, we will 

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come in and talk about it. 
So we appreciate you folks 

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tuning in. 
We're going to now. 

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Let you listen to the podcast we
originally recorded. 

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We hope you enjoy that. 
As always, feel free to to 

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contact us if you've got 
questions or thoughts. 

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So thank you for Scott hopping 
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It's time to talk to my youth 
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We are coming off of another 
disappointing Indiana football 

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game as they get boat raced on 
the road by the Maryland 

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Terrapins 44 to 17. 
Scott joining me as always here 

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on the recap podcast. 
Scott, how you doing? 

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I thought. 

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I thought you meant Indiana 
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That too. 
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Sorry folks, the park is closed.
I'm doing well, man. 

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I'm doing very well. 
Yeah, good. 

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I'm glad. 
It's good to see you and good to

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All right, Scott. 

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We look back at the game that 
closed out Indiana's September, 

515
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:47,440
their second Big 10 game of the 
year and unfortunately their 

516
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,000
third loss out of the first five
games Indiana travels to College

517
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,480
Park. 
This has been a pretty close 

518
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,120
series over the course of the 
time that Maryland's been in the

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Big 10. 
Of course, a relatively new 

520
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addition. 
These teams have traded back and

521
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forth in terms of who's been on 
top. 

522
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Maryland was was pretty down 
right when Indiana was up. 

523
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The tables have turned 
significantly, and Maryland No 

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00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:16,260
contest, was the better team in 
this one from the beginning. 

525
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They you know really from the 
first play when they connect on 

526
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a 60 some yard pass where 
Indiana has blown a coverage 

527
00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:27,670
that set the tone for the entire
game and we see Indiana just 

528
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really not able to compete 
Indiana. 

529
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They made a little bit of an 
offensive move late in the 

530
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second-half. 
It was far too late and it 

531
00:27:34,550 --> 00:27:37,670
really felt more like Maryland 
was just trying to get some some

532
00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:42,070
second stringers, some run out 
there. 4417, the final score. 

533
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:44,710
What were your overall 
impressions from this game? 

534
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I mean, you know, I got to say 
this, for the first half, I was 

535
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actually really impressed with 
the Indiana offense and the 

536
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:53,750
strides they made. 
I just wanted to see your face 

537
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:55,750
for those. 
Just wanted to see like, what 

538
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:57,470
can I say that really gets you 
kicked off? 

539
00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:00,830
I mean, you know, yeah, I I will
say, you know, Indiana had as 

540
00:28:00,830 --> 00:28:03,310
many first doubts as Marilyn had
in this game. 

541
00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:04,950
So clearly something was going 
right. 

542
00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:07,470
Yeah. 
I mean, so here's kind of I'm 

543
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not even sure how to say this 
correctly, but my my higher 

544
00:28:10,390 --> 00:28:12,910
level thought after the entire 
game was that, you know, like 

545
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:15,000
when. 
When you really don't have an 

546
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identity or a plan, you're kind 
of stuck with this, like just 

547
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,760
grasp it. 
It feels like you're grasping at

548
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straws. 
And what I mean by that is, you 

549
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know, last year we were a 
passing offense until you know. 

550
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Days lat gets kind of just 
benched and then we have one 

551
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,080
good game with Dexter Williams 
running kind of an option 

552
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,000
because he's a limited 
quarterback that's we can do it 

553
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and something we're gonna do 
that It's like are you doing 

554
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that? 
Because it's what you've planned

555
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and you know like football 
really isn't a throat against 

556
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the wall and see what sticks. 
Kind of sport. 

557
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Like you have to plan your team 
around what you want to do. 

558
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And it it felt like we're just 
like we're going to do that now.

559
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It's like, all right, well, are 
we built to do that? 

560
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:53,530
Do we know how to do that? 
And that that kind of permitted 

561
00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:55,530
the whole offseason. 
And now, you know, with this 

562
00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:58,530
season and this game, it feels 
that way where it's like we 

563
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start seeing some option again. 
It's like, oh, is that what we 

564
00:29:01,090 --> 00:29:02,570
are now? 
Are we doing option now? 

565
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:06,490
You know, our defense looks 
confused, But, you know, it 

566
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really hit me with, you know, so
you bring in Soresby, which I 

567
00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:11,850
get it, like nothing's going 
right, but. 

568
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:15,510
Now Soresby has, you know, two 
touchdown drives where the 

569
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beginning of the game you had no
drives, and there probably isn't

570
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going to be a quarterback 
controversy. 

571
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But you've because you didn't 
ever name Jackson the starter 

572
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until game three. 
Now you, you know an observer 

573
00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:27,350
would come back. 
All right, well, maybe a Soresby

574
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the answer. 
And I'm not saying that's a real

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00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:31,390
question. 
It's just because no one's ever 

576
00:29:31,390 --> 00:29:33,230
told us, like, what the 
hierarchy of how this goes. 

577
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:34,710
Like, what kind of offense are 
we running? 

578
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Because I don't know. 
Because we keep changing it. 

579
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:39,270
It's like whenever something 
works do that five more times 

580
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:40,950
like well it doesn't work that 
way. 

581
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:44,470
And then you know so I I just 
you know I'm picking on the the 

582
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:47,470
source B Jackson thing and it's 
they are not the problem here. 

583
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:50,510
But it's just you know under a 
normal circumstances under a 

584
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:53,350
normal year where you're like I 
know who my starter is and like 

585
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:55,310
hey we're getting blown out 
we're just throwing the backups 

586
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:57,310
in You just be like all right 
that's you know hey he had a 

587
00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:59,070
good couple runs against the bad
Maryland team. 

588
00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:01,710
Like I could see a story coming 
out of this week, of off season,

589
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:03,910
of this week, of by week where 
it's like. 

590
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:06,060
Who is our quarterback? 
Like, I can see them just going 

591
00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:08,860
back into that spin cycle. 
It's like it's because we just 

592
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:12,300
don't seem to have a plan and 
this game was really evident of 

593
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,700
that and and you are 100% right.
You know, this is where that you

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00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:19,460
know, the frustrating thing is, 
you know with with Louisville, 

595
00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:22,440
they had one speedster. 
And he got open like 

596
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,040
immediately, like second drive, 
like he's just wide open. 

597
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,920
And you saw that a couple games 
against and it's like, all 

598
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,400
right, well, that's the 
speedster guy for Louisville. 

599
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,080
And then for Akron, you saw a 
couple wide receivers just get 

600
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,080
wide open on blown coverage. 
And then here it's like Tiger to

601
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,840
his brother. 
I can't. 

602
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Cannot say that. 
Name go Viloa. 

603
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,000
How about that? 
He needs to go to the NFL. 

604
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,680
He needs to become. 
He's like, you know he's a 

605
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,920
potent quarterback. 
You know this is an aerial 

606
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280
attack. 
To have two blown coverages in 

607
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,640
the first three drives where 
guys are just like it wide open,

608
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,240
it's really got frustrating to 
see. 

609
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920
It's like how are you not 
somewhat prepared for this and 

610
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,160
even one of those blown 
coverages we were we were 

611
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,320
rushing 3, so we had eight back.
You had eight guys back. 

612
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800
It's like just play a shell 
defense, just be like hey, we're

613
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,360
not eight. 
I don't know. 

614
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,760
It's all fresh that that's my 
high level thoughts. 

615
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,240
Without getting too nitty 
gritty, is it just? 

616
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Which feels like we're at the 
point we're just throwing stuff 

617
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680
against the wall to see if it 
sticks and then if something 

618
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,320
works once, it's like, all 
right, that's what our team is 

619
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,600
and it's just that's not a good 
way to run a football team. 

620
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,440
There's been a lot of focus on 
the offense and the struggles 

621
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,200
with the offense. 
And that, you know, not just 

622
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,680
last year, not just the year 
before, but also this year and 

623
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,720
rightfully so. 
I there's a stat that I keep 

624
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,960
updating every week and because 
it's so terrifying. 

625
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:47,630
Through four games against BCS 
competition. 

626
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:52,430
So taking the Indiana State game
out, Indiana with a 17 point 

627
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:58,310
effort yesterday is now 
averaging 12.75 points per game 

628
00:31:58,310 --> 00:32:01,390
in regulation. 
That's wild. 

629
00:32:01,510 --> 00:32:03,590
That's so bad. 
And you're not talking. 

630
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:06,430
I'm sorry, it's not a murderer's
row of teams. 

631
00:32:06,430 --> 00:32:08,310
You have an Ohio State team? 
That's. 

632
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:10,820
You know, really good, 
obviously. 

633
00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:13,420
But it's not the great Ohio 
State teams have passed. 

634
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:14,980
You have an Akron team. 
Who? 

635
00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:17,940
Scott, I I don't know if you 
knew this. 

636
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:21,140
I was told after the game last 
week that Akron was actually 

637
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:22,740
going to be one of the better 
teams in the Mac. 

638
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:28,100
They turned around and lost at 
home to A1 win Buffalo team 

639
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:32,880
yesterday, 17 to 10. 
A Louisville team who has, to 

640
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,720
their credit, been good, 
relatively speaking, but it. 

641
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,840
This is still a Louisville. 
Team that you know has like 

642
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Dukes Mayo Bowl written all over
it and then a Maryland team that

643
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760
had given up, you know, quite a 
few points per game. 

644
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,760
This is an offense that I think 
is rightfully been derided and 

645
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
been questioned because it just 
hasn't produced. 

646
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,710
Hold on. 
When you're stat like that, 

647
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,030
those 14 points against Maryland
need to be highlighted as like 

648
00:32:56,030 --> 00:32:57,270
that was garbage time go. 
Ahead, right. 

649
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:58,390
Yeah, no. 
Well, that's the thing. 

650
00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:02,630
I mean, I'm actually doing I UA 
favor by crediting them for the 

651
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:05,070
the points that they scored at a
time when the game was 

652
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:09,270
completely out of hand. 
But it's not just the offense 

653
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:12,390
that is lost. 
The defense, as you pointed out,

654
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:15,790
is getting burned on a regular 
basis and. 

655
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:20,710
Maryland, if they wanted to, 
could have scored 70 points last

656
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:22,030
night or yesterday. 
I mean it. 

657
00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:26,830
So the interesting stat the the 
Miami Dolphins, as many of you 

658
00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:31,230
know, had a historic win over 
the Denver Broncos last week. 

659
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:34,430
In the NFL, they won 70 to 20 is
the first time since I think 

660
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:38,710
1966 that a team in the NFL had 
scored 70 points in the game. 

661
00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:42,740
To A tag of Iowa. 
In that game through for 309 

662
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:46,340
yards and four touchdowns 
against Indiana, his brother 

663
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:52,180
Talia threw 352 yards and five 
touchdowns, so actually threw 

664
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:54,540
four more yards and four more 
touchdowns. 

665
00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:57,980
Against Indiana, than his 
brother threw in a 70 to 20 

666
00:33:57,980 --> 00:34:00,220
blowout win. 
So you know. 

667
00:34:01,150 --> 00:34:03,430
For all the talk about Tom 
Allen, as you know, he's a 

668
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:06,310
defensive coach and you know 
he's got this system that works 

669
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:07,870
and he just needs to find an 
offense. 

670
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:09,750
It hasn't really worked out that
way. 

671
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:13,909
This is a defense that is full. 
I think what you have, two 

672
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:16,710
returning starters, essentially,
maybe 3 if you want to be 

673
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:19,230
charitable. 
You've got a huge influx of 

674
00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:23,190
people from outside the program 
and it hasn't really made any 

675
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:26,469
difference in terms of what 
Indiana has been able to do or 

676
00:34:26,469 --> 00:34:29,830
been able to stop out there, you
know, last year this team. 

677
00:34:30,429 --> 00:34:34,630
Surrendered 34 points a game. 
They're not doing as badly this 

678
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:36,550
year. 
They're only surrendering 24 

679
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:39,150
points a game. 
But again, if you take that 

680
00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:43,070
Indiana State game out of it, 
that average shoots pretty far 

681
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:45,909
up and you also have to take 
into account that. 

682
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,909
Ohio State, once they got up was
like, we don't really want to 

683
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:53,150
show anything else in this game.
Louisville essentially shut 

684
00:34:53,150 --> 00:34:55,469
their offense down in the 
second-half because they knew 

685
00:34:55,469 --> 00:34:57,030
they didn't need to score 
anymore. 

686
00:34:57,270 --> 00:35:00,190
And I'm not just saying that. 
I mean you get to the the post 

687
00:35:00,190 --> 00:35:02,150
game win percentages. 
It's not. 

688
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:04,390
I mean, I know we saw Indiana 
was at the goal line. 

689
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:06,070
They certainly couldn't have 
scored there but. 

690
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:09,900
Ohio State or Indiana's post 
game-winning percentage 

691
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,100
expectancy against Ohio State 
was .1%. 

692
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,380
Against Louisville it was 5.5%, 
meaning that even if Indiana had

693
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:20,140
scored there, Louisville was 
probably going to figure out a 

694
00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:22,220
way to win. 
Their post game win expectancy 

695
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:25,020
against Maryland yesterday was 
0.0%. 

696
00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:27,260
That's not good. 
Can't really get lower than 

697
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:30,460
that, so to highlight your 
point, just doing a, sorry. 

698
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,460
Just to do a drive point in in 
reverse, here's, you know, we 

699
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:36,700
played name the drive. 
We might do it again later. 

700
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,500
But let me just here's the 
drives and I'll tell you who I'm

701
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:43,620
talking about in the first half.
Three plays, 8 plays, one play, 

702
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:47,540
2 play, 3 plays, six plays, five
plays, two plays. 

703
00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:49,420
We're doing reverse. 
That's Maryland. 

704
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:54,110
They scored. 4 touchdowns off of
that play. 

705
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:56,350
Dr. Oddly the eight play drive, 
they didn't get there. 

706
00:35:56,350 --> 00:35:59,470
The ones they score touchdowns 
on was 3 plays, one play, 2 

707
00:35:59,510 --> 00:36:02,190
play, 5 play. 
Those are all touchdown drives 

708
00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:05,070
and it's like it's this is where
it's like all systems failure 

709
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:08,030
because the the defense is 
giving up these just massive 

710
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:13,350
plays and I I don't think I 
remember this season us having a

711
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:16,190
two play touchdown drive like we
just our offense also is 

712
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:19,430
incapable of having those first.
It's like that's a it's a really

713
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:22,370
bad combination. 
Well, I mean, anytime you've got

714
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:25,850
two defensive backs as your two 
leading tacklers, it's generally

715
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:28,410
a bad sign, which is what 
happened with Indiana yesterday 

716
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:29,810
with Noah, Pierre and Phillip 
Dunham. 

717
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:33,490
I think the thing that irks me 
the most, and I alluded to this 

718
00:36:33,490 --> 00:36:38,010
a little bit earlier, is to 
watch Indiana, you know. 

719
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:39,370
So let me let me put it this 
way. 

720
00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:42,440
Are you? 
We've watched them for a long 

721
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,960
time. 
Different coaches, different 

722
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,920
areas of the program. 
Traveling to Michigan and 

723
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,320
getting blown out, that happens 
for to Indiana. 

724
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,120
Traveling to Penn State and 
getting blown out. 

725
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,080
Traveling to Ohio State and 
getting blown out. 

726
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Those teams have a huge 
reservoir of talent that Indiana

727
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,600
just hasn't been able to to tap.
You'll occasionally get blown 

728
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,800
out in the bucket game. 
You know, it certainly happened 

729
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600
recently. 
But this felt like a threshold 

730
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,280
was crossed because it is pretty
rare that Indiana goes on the 

731
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,960
road and gets obliterated by a 
team that's essentially in their

732
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,520
class of teams. 
You know, we're talking the 

733
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Maryland's, the Northwestern's, 
the Illinois's, you know, the 

734
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,320
Rutgers. 
So for Indiana to just be non 

735
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,840
competitive for a full 60 
minutes against the Maryland 

736
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,200
program that frankly has no 
natural advantages over Indiana 

737
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,830
in the Big 10? 
And when you think about where 

738
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:40,470
Maryland football was five years
ago, I think people have 

739
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:42,790
forgotten this Maryland 
football. 

740
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:46,070
You, you, if you most of you 
remember, they had that tragedy 

741
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:49,950
with the player dying in 
practice and they had to fire DJ

742
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:51,710
Durkin. 
But that that was a program in 

743
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:55,190
2017, DJ Durkin's last year. 
They were four and eight. 

744
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:57,670
They had Matt Canada as an 
interim coach. 

745
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:59,710
In 2018 they were five and 
seven. 

746
00:38:00,310 --> 00:38:02,910
They hire Mike Locksley as a 
fulltime coach. 

747
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:06,190
They go three and nine in 2019, 
the year that Indiana won eight 

748
00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:09,190
and five. 
They go two and three in 2020, 

749
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:12,350
the year Indiana goes 6 and and 
one or six. 

750
00:38:12,350 --> 00:38:16,750
Six and two, I guess. 
And then Since then, they've won

751
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:20,950
seven games, eight games and are
now five and oh, they've got 2. 

752
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:24,790
Not just bowl appearances, but 
bowl victories in the last two 

753
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:28,630
seasons. 
And they just, yeah, jocking. 

754
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:32,310
And then and then of course, 
last year Indiana did not have a

755
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:35,110
great season, but they only lost
to Maryland by 5 and it was 

756
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:36,710
legitimately a back and forth 
game. 

757
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:40,030
Indiana look like they didn't 
belong on the same field as 

758
00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:43,150
Maryland and so. 
For these two programs to have 

759
00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:46,870
flipped positions so 
definitively in such a short 

760
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:51,990
period of time, and to do it in 
the same window where not only 

761
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:55,070
was Tom Allen given a huge 
contract extension, but Tom 

762
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:59,030
Allen was allowed by the 
departures of people to bring in

763
00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:02,510
very much his people in all of 
the roles and be in charge of 

764
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:06,390
all of the recruiting, It is 
about as damning an indictment 

765
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,750
as you can have on the 
trajectory of the I U program, 

766
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:13,950
and I don't say that lightly. 
You know, I you, as we know is 

767
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:18,630
always going to struggle to get 
up into that that middle class 

768
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:21,710
or upper middle class echelon, 
we're not even talking. 

769
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:23,630
About the Michigan's, the Ohio 
State's, The Penn State's. 

770
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:26,590
We're talking about the Iowa's. 
And to some degree, Michigan 

771
00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:29,270
State seems to be dedicated to 
to cutting off each of its 

772
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:31,310
appendages and throwing itself 
into the sea. 

773
00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:35,840
Wisconsin's in that mix, though.
You know, Indiana is it's 

774
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,240
constantly a battle in the Big 
10 of can we be better than 

775
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:43,640
Maryland, Rutgers, Minnesota, 
Illinois, Nebraska, maybe it's 

776
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,720
in that category now. 
And Northwestern, I think you 

777
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,600
throw into that as well. 
It feels like Indiana, this is 

778
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,360
another program that's exceeded 
them in the pecking order. 

779
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,800
And you look at the way that 
Rutgers is playing right now. 

780
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,240
You look at Maryland having 
clearly gotten better, and it's 

781
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,520
like Indiana had an argument. 
For being the 4th best team in 

782
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,800
the East. 
Now, I'm not sure what the 

783
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,280
argument is for Indiana not 
being the worst team in the 

784
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,520
East. 
And you know, I'd love to say 

785
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,280
that they're better than 
Northwestern. 

786
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,840
But Northwestern's won a Big 10 
game so far this year in Indiana

787
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,880
has not. 
So I'm not even sure if you 

788
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,560
could argue that Indiana isn't 
the worst team in the Big 10. 

789
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,400
And that's really, really sad. 
And this game? 

790
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,930
Watching Indiana just get just 
pushed around by Maryland across

791
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:31,570
the board. 
Was really. 

792
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:35,770
Really hard to to it was it was 
hard having seen where Indiana 

793
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:39,730
had been just a few years prior 
to watch that happening, that 

794
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:41,250
there was a question that came 
in on Twitter. 

795
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:45,050
It's like are you more, are you 
more irate or sad or something 

796
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:47,610
like that? 
And I'm really more sad about it

797
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:49,450
at this point. 
I was irate last week. 

798
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:52,610
Last week was you know, that's a
that's a terrible team that they

799
00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:54,130
almost lost. 
You should have lost. 

800
00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:56,150
You were lucky not to lose to I 
did. 

801
00:40:56,150 --> 00:41:00,310
I predicted in the pregame 
podcast that we did with Taylor 

802
00:41:00,670 --> 00:41:02,430
that Indiana was going to get 
destroyed in this game. 

803
00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:04,830
But I was hoping that that 
wouldn't be the case, because 

804
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:08,870
what we saw really illustrated 
how far Indiana has fallen and 

805
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:12,270
that there are just no answers. 
And whether it's what you saw on

806
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:15,710
the field or whatever that 
gobbledygook was in the postgame

807
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:18,230
press conference, it's clear 
that there aren't a lot of 

808
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:19,910
answers internally on this 
either. 

809
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:23,180
You know and on Crimson Cash, 
our our biggest bet of the week 

810
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:25,700
was you know Maryland to cover 
the 14 1/2 point spread and that

811
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:27,940
and that might be the last time 
you get value on Indiana. 

812
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:30,780
Like at this point I was joking 
like it might we're easily going

813
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:33,260
to be probably double digit you 
know underdogs for the rest of 

814
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:34,300
the season. 
I I don't know. 

815
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,700
I mean Purdue and Michigan State
aren't awesome either but it's 

816
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:39,780
like it's it's it's going to be 
some wild numbers coming up. 

817
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:41,940
No, I agree. 
And this is, you know, this is 

818
00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:45,260
where I. 
Those those early season games 

819
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:47,580
against Indiana State when some 
people get kind of fired up, 

820
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:48,780
it's like oh we saw this pretty 
good stuff. 

821
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:51,300
It's like no, like this is these
are the I'm with you. 

822
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,620
I'm more saddened than angry. 
But it's like the the 

823
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:56,460
frustrating part. 
It's like these are really the 

824
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:58,980
games where you can see where 
you stand up against the teams 

825
00:41:58,980 --> 00:42:04,300
that matter because and we just 
like you said it wasn't even 

826
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,910
close and. 
To say we don't have answers is 

827
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:10,750
true. 
It's also like this game was was

828
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:14,430
frightening because it wasn't 
like when we when things went 

829
00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:17,470
well, it's because we were 
exerting our will and it's just 

830
00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:20,680
we couldn't do that enough. 
Really felt like, you know, 

831
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Maryland got up 14 to nothing 
and then 21 to three in the 

832
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,680
second quarter. 
It felt like Maryland's like, 

833
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,840
all right, let's do some prep 
for, you know, the Michigan 

834
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,080
game. 
It felt like they were just 

835
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,680
literally using this as a 
walkthrough and they were doing 

836
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,800
some, you know, they kind of 
stopped throwing for a while and

837
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,440
started running. 
It's almost like they grabbed 

838
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,120
Tom Allen, you know, Walt Bell's
playbook. 

839
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,400
And again, it sucks like nothing
but running plays up the middle.

840
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,600
But it it feels like our only 
chance to be competitive is 

841
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,740
competitive is is a team. 
Like just they're making a bunch

842
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:49,700
of mistakes or a team just kind 
of forgetting what they should 

843
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:50,580
be doing. 
Or. 

844
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:53,460
And that's again, it's like it's
a bad place to be where there's 

845
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:57,340
nothing that I could say, hey, 
if we do this really well, I 

846
00:42:57,340 --> 00:42:58,900
think we have a shot against 
that team. 

847
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:01,500
It's like it has to be in 
conjunction with that other team

848
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:05,580
doing 12 things wrong and making
a lot of mistakes along the way.

849
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:09,460
Yeah. 
I mean, it's at this point, it 

850
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:13,260
feels like if you wanted to, you
could score in Indiana. 

851
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:17,460
If you wanted to, you could keep
Indiana from scoring. 

852
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:21,820
And it's not that simplistic, 
but it just doesn't feel like 

853
00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:26,300
against teams that have a pulse,
Indiana is going to be able to 

854
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:28,580
be very competitive. 
Now a lot of things happen in 

855
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:32,120
the course of the season. 
Certainly by mid-october last 

856
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,200
year, we felt the same way in 
Indiana turned around and they 

857
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,600
were able to win at Michigan 
State. 

858
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,880
Kind of a special circumstance 
there, but that's that's fine. 

859
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,320
But it felt like it felt like 
last year and this is probably 

860
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,720
the primary difference. 
And why? 

861
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,160
Because I could hear somebody 
you know arguing like wait a 

862
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,040
minute, they're, you know, they 
they won games last year. 

863
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,160
You guys thought they were bad 
then. 

864
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,550
It's like there feels like a 
very, very perceivable 

865
00:43:57,550 --> 00:44:00,870
difference right now in this 
program versus last year. 

866
00:44:00,870 --> 00:44:03,190
Last year's team was very 
flawed. 

867
00:44:03,550 --> 00:44:06,830
They were, they were not well 
coached, but they did have some 

868
00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:08,990
fight in them. 
You know, they they did manage 

869
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:12,190
to come back and win that 
Illinois game even though they 

870
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:13,790
were, they got some lucky breaks
along the way. 

871
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:16,630
They did come back and win that 
in Western Kentucky game, you 

872
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:17,990
know, they were in the Maryland 
game. 

873
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:20,870
Like that team felt like it was 
really, you know, keeping up 

874
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:23,590
with things, even if they 
couldn't do things. 

875
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,440
This team is really starting to 
look like they're just tuning 

876
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,560
out altogether, you know? 
There was a lot of talk about 

877
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:37,600
that that that, shall we say, 
you know, perhaps not well 

878
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,160
planned video of the team 
singing the fight song after the

879
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,240
win against Akron last week. 
A lot of people. 

880
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,960
The fight song, let's say 
correctly, a lot of people 

881
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,800
focused on the body language in 
that that video and and noted 

882
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,440
that a lot of guys looked pretty
embarrassed about having to do 

883
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,960
that and just kind of the whole 
thing felt cringy. 

884
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520
You know, I understand why those
videos get put out. 

885
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,800
I don't think that there should 
be necessarily criticism of the 

886
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,120
program, but it is an 
interesting window into what it 

887
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,200
looked like immediately after 
that game. 

888
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,360
And then you hear all these 
proclamations in the postgame 

889
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,640
press conference about we're 
going to evaluate things we 

890
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,720
heard leading up to this game. 
Oh, we had a good week of 

891
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,520
practice this time because of 
course a bad week of practice 

892
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,600
was blamed on the way that they 
played versus Akron. 

893
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Then they go out and play 
significantly worse and it 

894
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,880
really just looked like the team
was going through the motions. 

895
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,790
To a large degree, it's hard to 
even get excited about the 

896
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:35,270
Brendan Sorosby piece, about him
coming in for Taven Jackson. 

897
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:39,070
Because of course, a quarterback
coming in in the third quarter 

898
00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:42,350
in a blowout that the other team
hasn't scouted and prepped for 

899
00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:44,470
is probably going to be able to 
throw the ball a little bit 

900
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:46,670
better than the guy that 
everybody watched film on for a 

901
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:48,870
week. 
But again, the overall 

902
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:51,950
atmosphere of the team, the way 
that they approached the game, 

903
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:56,370
what we saw on the field just 
felt like a team that was they 

904
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:59,410
were there because they needed 
to be, not because they wanted 

905
00:45:59,410 --> 00:46:03,370
to be. 
And that's that's a that's 

906
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:05,130
that's the difference between 
last year and this year. 

907
00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:07,690
Like last year's team, it felt 
like there was still some kind 

908
00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:10,810
of engagement and I'm just not 
seeing that out of this team 

909
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:13,010
right now. 
And that's really concerning 

910
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:15,290
because again, yeah, you're 
going into a bye week. 

911
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:17,290
But as we talked about last 
week, you're now heading into 

912
00:46:17,290 --> 00:46:20,700
the teeth of the Big 10 season. 
You can't afford to just be 

913
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,860
going through the motions. 
Like that's what leads to, and 

914
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:25,980
we've seen this before, Scott. 
It's what leads to getting blown

915
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:29,700
out by 60 points by Wisconsin. 
It's what leads to, you know, 

916
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,020
the the the kind of games that 
you look back on the Di Nardo 

917
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:36,420
era or the Lynch era and you're 
like that's that's that felt 

918
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:39,300
like an era that was passed and 
it feels like suddenly it's back

919
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:41,300
again. 
Well, and again, I don't want to

920
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:43,420
go, I don't want to take this 
too large. 

921
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:45,700
But you know, to people who 
would say just kind of scare 

922
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,140
core argument, you mentioned, 
you know, it's like, well, hey, 

923
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:49,260
they can still win a game. 
And it's true, you know, Rutgers

924
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:50,860
are still there. 
You know, Illinois is still 

925
00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:52,180
there. 
Michigan State still there and 

926
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:54,420
pretty we're still there. 
You could win all four of those.

927
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:56,940
But you know if if, if the 
argument is like, hey, they 

928
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:59,180
could still win one or two of 
those, it's like, all right. 

929
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,940
But the problem is, you know two
years ago you finished the 

930
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:03,860
season. 
Oh, and eight. 

931
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:06,210
Last year you finished the 
season one and six. 

932
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:08,410
So you've had two years on the 
road just finishing on fumes. 

933
00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:11,890
And it does feel like this year 
could be similar to one of those

934
00:47:11,890 --> 00:47:13,050
years. 
And so let's say they finished 

935
00:47:13,050 --> 00:47:15,770
the year now going one and you 
know, well they've lost, you 

936
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:17,210
know, 1. 
So it's like they finished the 

937
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:21,010
year going one, you know, with 
one more win or even two more. 

938
00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:23,250
It's like all right, but is 
that, you know, again, not to 

939
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:24,610
take it too big, but is that is 
that fun? 

940
00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:27,130
Like, is it fun just where 
you're checking out the end of 

941
00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:28,450
the year and that that's what's 
concerning. 

942
00:47:28,450 --> 00:47:30,770
But you know, back to the 
Sorosby piece. 

943
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:34,910
Like, yes, like it it it's good.
But, like to me, it's like it's 

944
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:37,750
a problem because now you're 
going into a bye week and if 

945
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:40,950
we're going to now have a, you 
know, if he ends up, like maybe 

946
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:42,710
he's able to move the ball 
better, it's like great. 

947
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:46,510
So now you're a two and three 
team has been blown out, and now

948
00:47:46,510 --> 00:47:49,430
you're getting a quarterback 
controversy in Week 6. 

949
00:47:50,010 --> 00:47:52,730
By the way when you started the 
season with a quarterback like 

950
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:55,490
so now you're just you're just 
tossing it up like it they. 

951
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:59,250
And this is where I don't give 
the the coaching staff and like 

952
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:00,770
I don't. 
I would say I feel bad, but I 

953
00:48:00,770 --> 00:48:03,730
don't because you've created 
this mess like by not naming a 

954
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:06,010
starter and having this like 
balance for the first couple 

955
00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:08,730
weeks to to play around or do 
whatever you're doing. 

956
00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:11,530
Now that now that it looks like 
you're not sure what to do, it's

957
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:14,090
like now you you've created this
own like now you're juggling 

958
00:48:14,090 --> 00:48:16,010
this thing. 
But you know that that's my 

959
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:18,090
biggest concern going into this 
bye week. 

960
00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:20,780
Is again, instead of saying, 
hey, these are the things we're 

961
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:23,260
going to work on, it's like, now
let's, hey, let's try that. 

962
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:26,700
Here's 5 new things, like here's
one little nugget of something 

963
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:28,700
that worked in Maryland, that 
we're going to try and build an 

964
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,820
entire new offense around in one
week. 

965
00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:33,140
And as you said, that's not 
going to lead to us doing 

966
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:34,220
better. 
It's like it's going to lead to 

967
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:36,540
us doing worse. 
Because he like by this point in

968
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,540
the season, you are what you 
are. 

969
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:41,540
You need to do what you do. 
You cannot install a new offense

970
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:45,060
and it feels like we don't have 
anything to like work on and 

971
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:46,970
install. 
There was a quote in the 

972
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:48,290
postgame. 
There were a lot of quotes in 

973
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:50,930
the postgame press conference, 
but one in particular that goes 

974
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:53,810
right to the point you were just
making from Alan. 

975
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:57,130
We obviously will use this bye 
week to make a lot of 

976
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:59,890
evaluations on things. 
We've got to find ways to get 

977
00:48:59,890 --> 00:49:02,370
better. 
Every positions got to get 

978
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:08,970
evaluated and I'm sorry. 
I you know, we heard nothing 

979
00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:12,010
about this team in spring. 
We heard very little about this 

980
00:49:12,010 --> 00:49:15,960
team in summer and theoretically
that was about evaluating 

981
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,480
players and evaluating systems 
to do that. 

982
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,280
You know the they they Akron 
last week, they almost lose that

983
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,720
game and what are we here 
afterwards? 

984
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,400
Well, we've got to evaluate 
everything. 

985
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,680
Well now Indiana gets blown out 
by Maryland and now we're going 

986
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,640
to use the bye week to evaluate 
everything. 

987
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,040
It's like at some point how much
evaluation can you do and what 

988
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,760
exactly is going into the 
evaluation Scott, I'm kind of is

989
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,450
it one of like a, is it like a 
one to five form it's like well 

990
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:46,370
very good not very good. 
Well like how is this being 

991
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:47,370
done? 
It's. 

992
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:50,050
Well, you're a teacher we like. 
We even bring signs of the game,

993
00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:51,850
like build a better rubric. 
Like just like, come on. 

994
00:49:51,850 --> 00:49:53,330
Better rubric. 
Better rubric. 

995
00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:55,970
That's right. 
Blues taxonomy. 

996
00:49:56,290 --> 00:50:00,810
No, it's it's it's maddening. 
It really is. 

997
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:04,050
And and look, a quote like that 
is clearly like corporate coach 

998
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:04,890
speak. 
I get it. 

999
00:50:05,050 --> 00:50:09,290
But that's all that seems to 
exist with Alan and his coaches 

1000
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:13,210
is corporate coach speak. 
If they if they knew what they 

1001
00:50:13,210 --> 00:50:17,010
were doing to fix the team, they
would fix the team, not talk 

1002
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:19,290
about how they were going to 
start fixing the team. 

1003
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:23,290
They clearly don't know how to 
fix the problems that exist on 

1004
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:26,170
this team. 
And I'm sorry we're not idiots. 

1005
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:30,330
K it's it's week five. 
You're not going to fix the team

1006
00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:35,630
in Week 5. 
And it look the the idea that 

1007
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:38,230
somehow there's a piece that's 
been missed. 

1008
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:40,230
Now we've talked about like 
there's there's been a lot of 

1009
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:44,750
questionable talent evaluations 
or readiness evaluations for 

1010
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:46,870
this I U team over the course 
the last few years. 

1011
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:50,030
Going back to when they stuck 
Michael Pennix junior under 

1012
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:53,510
center at the beginning of the 
21 season thinking I guess that 

1013
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:55,750
he was healthy and ready to 
conduct business. 

1014
00:50:56,110 --> 00:50:57,750
And that was clearly not the 
case. 

1015
00:50:57,990 --> 00:51:00,990
Like that. 
You know, everything along the 

1016
00:51:00,990 --> 00:51:02,870
way. 
There's been so many missed 

1017
00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:06,750
opportunities to structure 
things in a way that could lead 

1018
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:09,870
to victories. 
It's like why would we trust now

1019
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:13,990
in this week off that Indiana's 
got some kind of a direction for

1020
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:16,470
fixing things. 
It's I think that's probably the

1021
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:20,150
most depressing thing. 
Not that I mean Indiana being 

1022
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:22,510
bad is very depressing, 
particularly where they were 

1023
00:51:22,510 --> 00:51:25,590
three years ago. 
But the fact that they're bad 

1024
00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:27,870
and there doesn't seem to be any
recognition of. 

1025
00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:29,870
Why they're bad or how to fix 
it? 

1026
00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:33,910
That this was the roster that 
was chosen to go into the 

1027
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:35,830
season. 
You know what, you talked about 

1028
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:40,470
the quarterback thing and and 
look, the I to me pulling 

1029
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:43,430
Jackson and putting sores, being
made sense from a protection 

1030
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:46,030
perspective because you don't 
want to leave your starter out 

1031
00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:49,790
there and get, you know, have 
him get pummeled by an opposing 

1032
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:53,390
defense. 
On the flip side, you know, 

1033
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:56,670
talking about how well he didn't
execute in the Maryland game 

1034
00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:59,110
doesn't make any sense. 
It's like the whole team didn't 

1035
00:51:59,110 --> 00:52:04,390
execute and. 
The larger point here is you, as

1036
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:07,590
you mentioned, you didn't have a
starting quarterback named. 

1037
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:12,470
You came into the season as I 
you a team that really needs 

1038
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:14,790
veteran leadership at the 
quarterback position, a team 

1039
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:17,600
that if you look historically. 
When they have veteran 

1040
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,680
leadership at the quarterback 
position, whether it's Nate 

1041
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,800
Sudfeld or Richard Lego or 
Peyton Ramsey or Michael Pennix,

1042
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,640
they tend to do better. 
You came in voluntarily, as we 

1043
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,800
talked about all offseason, with
two quarterbacks that had barely

1044
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,120
taken snaps at the FBS level, 
and you're suddenly surprised 

1045
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,080
that there's not execution 
happening, that there's problems

1046
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,720
with the offense. 
That's nuts. 

1047
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,880
That's absolutely like, I don't 
know how you could go into the 

1048
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,200
season thinking that you were 
going to have. 

1049
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,510
Success with that. 
So and then you know, the 

1050
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:51,870
problem though is when you know,
look the offense could be bad, 

1051
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:55,310
but the promise of the defense 
from the beginning of the year, 

1052
00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:59,070
the defense has gotten worse 
against good competition. 

1053
00:52:59,830 --> 00:53:03,310
You know, based upon what we saw
last year, maybe not so much in 

1054
00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:06,470
point scored but in an inability
to make stops when it matters. 

1055
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:11,310
I I'm just kind of taken aback 
at the idea that you could 

1056
00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:13,710
evaluate your way back to 
success. 

1057
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:17,070
Alan had a quote. 
On Thursday, like you know, well

1058
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:19,230
it's a long season and we've 
still got a chance to get 

1059
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:20,590
better. 
And I think the operative 

1060
00:53:20,590 --> 00:53:24,550
question there is OK, Tom Howe 
like where specifically and it 

1061
00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:28,550
can't just be our team has to 
execute better because you know 

1062
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:31,710
Alan in the post game press 
conference yesterday said you 

1063
00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:34,670
know essentially yesterday was 
about not executing well enough,

1064
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:39,550
which is wild because you know 
what, OK, that first play from 

1065
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:42,230
scrimmage when they line up the 
bowl. 

1066
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:48,270
On a wide receiver in a Cover 3 
and the receiver releases and 

1067
00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:50,630
there's nobody covering and 
there was nobody within 20 yards

1068
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:52,750
of him, How is that an 
executional issue? 

1069
00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:57,150
I mean, I can you can go down 
the list when you go for a 

1070
00:53:57,150 --> 00:54:01,470
fourth and when you let go for a
fake punt on the 1st Dr. of the 

1071
00:54:01,470 --> 00:54:04,710
third quarter in your own 
territory and you don't make it 

1072
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:06,710
how that's not an executional 
issue. 

1073
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:09,870
That's a What the hell are you 
doing with that play call issue?

1074
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,960
Yeah, you know, so there. 
And we could go through a litany

1075
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,120
of these. 
I mean, I'm not going to cherry 

1076
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,640
pick every one of them, but it's
just, again, to me, it's wild 

1077
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,160
that here we are. 
It's Week 5, There's a bye week.

1078
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:24,710
This team is who they are at 
this point. 

1079
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:26,550
I mean, could they get better 
down the road? 

1080
00:54:27,110 --> 00:54:29,990
I mean, sure. 
And and a Unicorn could pop up 

1081
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:32,070
in my front lawn while we're 
doing this podcast. 

1082
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:35,230
But we know there's evidence 
based stuff that you have to 

1083
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:38,470
look at with the team. 
I'm just curious what you would 

1084
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:41,230
point to from an evidentiary 
perspective that would say, oh, 

1085
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:42,750
here's where we're going to get 
better. 

1086
00:54:43,150 --> 00:54:46,350
You know, Indiana last night 
with two different quarterbacks 

1087
00:54:47,310 --> 00:54:49,950
only averaged 5 yards per 
reception. 

1088
00:54:50,340 --> 00:54:53,180
Taven Jackson was at 3.9 yards 
per reception. 

1089
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:56,260
Christian Turner actually had a 
fairly decent running game, 15 

1090
00:54:56,260 --> 00:55:00,500
carries, 61 yards, and that was 
a relatively small part of the 

1091
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:03,180
offense and the offense really 
couldn't do anything throughout 

1092
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:06,060
the course of the game. 
Defensively, they had no 

1093
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:08,060
answers. 
When you know in in the first 

1094
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:12,780
half when it mattered for 
Maryland, I I don't see what you

1095
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:16,740
would point to and say we can 
get better at these things 

1096
00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:20,230
because. 
It's I think we've seen over the

1097
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:23,510
course of this year and last 
year that that's not really how 

1098
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:26,950
this program works and they've 
had to rely on kind of 

1099
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:30,510
unexpected events in order to 
win games and that's not a 

1100
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:32,590
strategy. 
Well, unfortunately when you 

1101
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:34,350
talk about like how are they 
going to get wins, it's also 

1102
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:35,870
like you know Michigan State can
be worse. 

1103
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:38,510
Again, it's like we need our 
competition to come down to our 

1104
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:40,990
level. 
If I was looking at this off 

1105
00:55:40,990 --> 00:55:43,670
week, I mean one thing that I 
would try and do from a higher 

1106
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:45,510
level because everything you 
said is dead on. 

1107
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:48,830
But you know when you look at 
our off again, there's there's 

1108
00:55:48,830 --> 00:55:50,190
two sides. 
You got to fix defense too. 

1109
00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:52,270
But when you look at the 
offense, the thing that I see is

1110
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:56,830
a real problem is you know it 
comes down to play calling and 

1111
00:55:56,830 --> 00:55:58,430
the plays that are called and 
how they're worked. 

1112
00:55:58,430 --> 00:56:01,910
But our offense has a double 
sided problem which is it either

1113
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:05,430
does one of two things. 
It'll either and I'm not I'm not

1114
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:07,110
sure I've seen this much in I U 
Football. 

1115
00:56:07,110 --> 00:56:09,110
Like I've definitely seen the 
hey, they're always through 

1116
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:11,190
doing 3 and outs and they can't 
get a drive going. 

1117
00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:14,290
I've been there. 
This team and then also but 

1118
00:56:14,290 --> 00:56:16,850
normally like but those still 
those teams would find a way to 

1119
00:56:16,850 --> 00:56:19,490
put a drive together and then 
get some points here and there. 

1120
00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:23,770
This team has the the problem of
they go with a lot of three it 

1121
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:26,730
outs the drives that are just 
kind of dead on arrival but now 

1122
00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:29,010
the drives they do get the 
movement going. 

1123
00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:32,050
They then can't complete to 
finish to get points and so it's

1124
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:33,520
like. 
You know, you go through the 

1125
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,080
Indiana drive shot first, First 
drive, 8 plays, 32 yards for a 

1126
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,320
field goal. 
It's like, alright, it's great, 

1127
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,320
but like at some point you got 
to get a touchdown, But 

1128
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,320
whatever, field goal early in 
the game, although you're down I

1129
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,720
think 14, nothing. 
The next four drives are three 

1130
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,320
plays, three plays for -15 
yards, 3 plays. 

1131
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,440
So you now have three just 
complete 3 and outs whatever. 

1132
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,360
But now you get 2 drives. 
After that 15 plays and 10 plays

1133
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,880
but neither result in any 
points. 

1134
00:56:58,230 --> 00:57:00,510
And that's something that's 
becoming a problem is like if 

1135
00:57:00,510 --> 00:57:05,430
you have a 10A-15 play, 79 yard 
drive, you got to get something 

1136
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:07,390
out of that. 
But you cannot turn that over on

1137
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:10,710
down like that has to come on 
with points and you know, 

1138
00:57:10,750 --> 00:57:13,750
preferably A touchdown, but it's
got to do something And then 

1139
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:16,310
yeah, the next, you know, the 
next two drives are three plays 

1140
00:57:16,310 --> 00:57:20,070
interception 455. 
So it's like we're in the spot 

1141
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:23,110
with the offense where it's 
either a complete waste, you 

1142
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:26,200
know, 3 yard, three and out. 
Or we're moving the ball, but 

1143
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,760
then you're not getting anything
out of it. 

1144
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,400
Like something has to be figured
out where on the drives where 

1145
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,520
things are working. 
You've got to be able to finish 

1146
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,920
those off and cash them in two 
points. 

1147
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,000
Maybe the easiest thing is just 
not running up the middle when 

1148
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,160
you're really close to the goal 
line would be an idea. 

1149
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,320
But you know that that's 
something that is truly 

1150
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,760
maddening with this team that 
I'm not sure I've seen before 

1151
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,480
them. 
You know, the the inability to 

1152
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,920
to at least finish off the the 
good drives. 

1153
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:53,780
But you couple that with a bunch
of three and outs and it is 

1154
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:55,940
just, it's just it's awful. 
Yeah. 

1155
00:57:57,420 --> 00:58:00,740
Well I I don't know. 
I mean we got a lot of comments 

1156
00:58:00,740 --> 00:58:03,300
from the audience members. 
I wanted to hit a couple of 

1157
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,260
these before we. 
I mean it's not I mean again to 

1158
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:08,100
some degree we do these 
podcasts. 

1159
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:11,500
Last week was was I think it was
important to talk through some 

1160
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,100
of the issues because there's 
that was an unacceptable game. 

1161
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,940
This one was expected. 
And so it's like we're not going

1162
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:20,380
to spend a huge amount of time 
going over things that everybody

1163
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:23,370
saw. 
Using using corporate speak, 

1164
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:25,570
we're also kind of saving some 
of our dry powder for later in 

1165
00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:26,730
the season. 
Well, I mean you got to have 

1166
00:58:26,730 --> 00:58:32,050
some material right. 
You know it's it's let me let me

1167
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:35,170
hit a couple of these comments 
because I think it's I mean 

1168
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:37,730
there's some interesting stuff 
from folks I mean from Jeffrey 

1169
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:39,330
Harrison. 
No words can describe the 

1170
00:58:39,330 --> 00:58:41,210
ineptitude of play calling on 
offense. 

1171
00:58:41,530 --> 00:58:44,850
How Alan can hire Walt Bell is 
beyond me need to think past 

1172
00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:46,850
this. 
I mean, it's, yeah, I said there

1173
00:58:46,850 --> 00:58:50,130
were a lot of comments about the
the offense and about Bell. 

1174
00:58:50,170 --> 00:58:54,900
And you know, here's the 
problem, I think is as follows. 

1175
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:59,380
I mean, if you did your research
before or when Walt Bell was 

1176
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:01,620
hired, this is kind of what you 
get. 

1177
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:04,420
I mean, he hasn't been a 
particularly effective offensive

1178
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:06,900
coordinator, certainly wasn't 
very effective as a head coach. 

1179
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:10,020
I like Walt Bell personally. 
I like what I hear from him in 

1180
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:12,380
press conferences, but it just 
doesn't translate onto the 

1181
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:14,820
field. 
It's also not a team that's 

1182
00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:17,980
built particularly well. 
It's a team that seems to try to

1183
00:59:17,980 --> 00:59:20,420
focus on things other than what 
its strengths are, which we've 

1184
00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:23,620
talked about numerous times. 
The team that decided to commit 

1185
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:27,060
to the triple option without 
having the personnel for it and 

1186
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:29,660
then tried to switch back and 
doesn't seem to have an identity

1187
00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:31,180
on offense. 
And even in a game where they 

1188
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:35,300
are running the ball, well, it's
it isn't something that you can 

1189
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,260
utilize. 
It's funny when you say commit 

1190
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:39,260
to that, it's like I U Football 
is the worst girlfriend. 

1191
00:59:39,260 --> 00:59:41,380
Like I committed to you, but 
like 2 weeks later, like, yeah, 

1192
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:42,820
I'm not really committed to you 
anymore. 

1193
00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:47,810
It's there's there's just no 
coherent philosophy and I and I 

1194
00:59:48,050 --> 00:59:50,450
you look I think there's you 
could certainly attribute that 

1195
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:52,690
to Walt Bell but for the people 
that are calling for his head 

1196
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:56,330
I'd say there was no real 
coherent philosophy under Nick 

1197
00:59:56,330 --> 01:00:01,930
Sheridan except for Mike Pennix 
throws ball and people catch it 

1198
01:00:01,930 --> 01:00:06,810
like that was the that was the 
philosophy it's it's not a 

1199
01:00:06,810 --> 01:00:10,570
structure that you can work 
under effectively within. 

1200
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,760
A college football environment, 
particularly in the Big 10, 

1201
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,360
which is so difficult, so it's 
very frustrating. 

1202
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,400
But you know, it's hard to parse
out what is Walt Bell's fault 

1203
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,400
and what is the personnel's 
fault. 

1204
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,080
And the personnel is not just 
the offensive coordinator. 

1205
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,600
I mean, this guy's been here for
a year and a half at this point.

1206
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,200
It's not. 
I don't know. 

1207
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,520
So look, I think for those of 
you who are calling for a firing

1208
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,480
on the offensive coaching staff,
you may get it. 

1209
01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:40,900
I mean, if there's one thing 
that we've seen over the last 

1210
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:43,140
few seasons, whether it was 
Sheridan or whether it was 

1211
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:46,700
Darren Hiller last year, is that
when things get tough, Allen has

1212
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:49,420
shown a propensity to fire 
coaches. 

1213
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:52,780
I guess to show that he's doing 
something because you know it's 

1214
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:55,700
it's certainly not to get 
results because we haven't seen 

1215
01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:58,900
much improvement in the results 
in any of those firings which is

1216
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:02,280
pretty scary. 
But I also think this just a 

1217
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,080
fundamentally flawed team in the
way that it was built because of

1218
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,200
the decisions that were made in 
the transfer portal this past 

1219
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,600
offseason in the recruiting the 
previous year, in the recruiting

1220
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,360
the year before that in the 
recruiting the year before that 

1221
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,320
in the overall talent 
evaluation. 

1222
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,320
So it you know I blame sure 
blame the guy that's calling the

1223
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,760
plays. 
I think he certainly deserves 

1224
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,640
some blame because the offense 
has been future. 

1225
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,400
We talked about the point 
totals, but the flip side of it 

1226
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,600
is I don't know that it would be
any different with another 

1227
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,360
person calling plays because I 
just I think the fundamental 

1228
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:38,120
structure of what you got in 
this team is, is not there Brian

1229
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,880
Hicks at the comment. 
The decline since 2020 is simply

1230
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,320
stunning to the point that you 
wonder how the same man could 

1231
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,640
have been responsible for both 
halves of his tenure here. 

1232
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,160
And you know that's an 
interesting point, Scott, we 

1233
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,080
talked about this a lot kind of 
the duality of the Allen tenure 

1234
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,160
and how it's hard to reconcile 
how down the program is right 

1235
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,000
now with where it was at the end
of the 2020 season. 

1236
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,400
I mean, what are your thoughts 
on that? 

1237
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,240
Yeah, I mean, and I think we 
can. 

1238
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,200
We talked about it in the 
preseason as well. 

1239
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,060
You know it. 
I never want to take away those 

1240
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:12,140
two, two or three years. 
I think 2018 was also a good 

1241
01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:15,620
kind of lead up year into it. 
But you know when when you look 

1242
01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:19,820
back on it, that was a period 
where you had, you know, Kevin 

1243
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:21,660
Wilson had done some good things
with the team. 

1244
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:24,980
There's been some things that 
have been built up and Alan 

1245
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:28,020
definitely kept that going. 
Alan made some really good 

1246
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:31,380
coordinator hires and he did 
some good, you know, prospect 

1247
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:33,700
research and getting Michael 
Pennix onto the team. 

1248
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:36,900
But there's also a way that you 
can look back and say, OK, you 

1249
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:40,500
know, like I said, it's a bunch 
of times as you know what, what 

1250
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:43,540
made that team successful and 
maybe it was and what made Alan 

1251
01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:47,260
successful in that time, which 
is, you know, you had two really

1252
01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:51,180
high level coordinators and a 
Heisman level quarterback behind

1253
01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:53,900
center. 
And if if you have those things,

1254
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:56,180
I do think a lot of coaches are 
going to be successful and then.

1255
01:02:56,890 --> 01:02:59,890
You know that team kind of gets 
some wins and then Allen's kind 

1256
01:02:59,890 --> 01:03:02,930
of Elio kicks in and now you got
the tailwind and like the the 

1257
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:05,850
mojo kind of gets going and the 
inertia of good vibes gets it 

1258
01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:08,570
going. 
So you know, unfortunate that's 

1259
01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:10,890
kind of how I look at things is 
like things were set up really 

1260
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:14,970
well for Allen to do what he did
in that two year span. 

1261
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:17,650
Unfortunately, those things are 
no longer here. 

1262
01:03:17,650 --> 01:03:20,130
Like those coordinators left 
because good coordinators leave.

1263
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:22,940
And that's where you have to. 
Then you don't. 

1264
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:25,460
He still gets credit for hiring 
those guys. 

1265
01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:27,740
But now, like, after Sheridan 
and Walt Bell, it's like you 

1266
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:30,060
have to do it again. 
You can't just go continue like,

1267
01:03:30,060 --> 01:03:31,780
oh, I got the right guy in place
before. 

1268
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:34,500
It's like, well, you have to do 
it multiple times. 

1269
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:36,780
And then, you know, like I've 
said to a bunch of people a 

1270
01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:39,140
bunch of different times. 
Like if you need a Heisman level

1271
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:41,820
quarterback to be successful at 
Indiana, like you're not a 

1272
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:43,580
successful coach here because we
just don't have that. 

1273
01:03:43,580 --> 01:03:46,140
Like, that's just not something 
that normally walks through the 

1274
01:03:46,140 --> 01:03:49,700
doors in Memorial Stadium. 
I mean unfortunately that's kind

1275
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:54,020
of how I look at it now is that 
the, the climate that made that 

1276
01:03:54,020 --> 01:03:57,660
those teams successful and gave 
Alan the, the pieces that he 

1277
01:03:57,660 --> 01:04:00,220
needed to be successful are just
not here right now. 

1278
01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:02,580
And unfortunately it's not like 
an aisle where you can just say,

1279
01:04:02,580 --> 01:04:04,700
all right, we're going to go 
back to our, you know, our 

1280
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:07,460
blocking and our tackling and 
our fundamentals and we're going

1281
01:04:07,460 --> 01:04:09,660
to do that. 
Like there isn't any of that. 

1282
01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:11,430
And I'm not trying to be 
negative. 

1283
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:14,150
It's just it is the case like I 
just so that's how I that's how 

1284
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:18,270
I reconcile the two things is 
things partially of Allen's 

1285
01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:21,630
doing like it's not like it just
did he did a lot of good things 

1286
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:25,070
made the right hires and made 
the right recruits that he built

1287
01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:27,910
a little bubble that was perfect
for those two or three years. 

1288
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:30,670
That the trouble is it's 
increasing looking like he's 

1289
01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:35,590
unable to make those same hires 
and recruits to be able to 

1290
01:04:35,590 --> 01:04:40,550
create that. 
Again Scott Shoemaker comment. 

1291
01:04:40,550 --> 01:04:43,550
Does Alan honestly look himself 
in the mirror and think he can 

1292
01:04:43,550 --> 01:04:46,270
do the job Three years of 
horrible teams would make a sane

1293
01:04:46,270 --> 01:04:49,790
person begin to wonder. 
I mean I think look I think any 

1294
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:53,350
here's the thing I think a lot 
of people myself included get 

1295
01:04:53,350 --> 01:04:58,350
angry at what we hear in the 
press conferences from Alan. 

1296
01:04:58,350 --> 01:05:03,030
And you know, it's tough because
I think most coaches, not just 

1297
01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:07,450
Tom Allen, but most coaches, are
going to approach their jobs and

1298
01:05:07,450 --> 01:05:10,490
their perspective on their jobs,
thinking of course, I'm supposed

1299
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:12,490
to be here. 
I I can do this job. 

1300
01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:15,610
I've done this job already. 
I've been clearly successful 

1301
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:18,490
before. 
So that that doesn't change just

1302
01:05:18,490 --> 01:05:21,570
because you lose games. 
I think the the problem and the 

1303
01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:24,330
kind of cognitive dissonance 
that has popped up around 

1304
01:05:24,570 --> 01:05:28,570
people's perception of Alan is 
that there doesn't seem to be in

1305
01:05:28,570 --> 01:05:31,490
any of his public comments any 
level of selfreflection 

1306
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:34,270
whatsoever. 
Yeah, everything is what we got 

1307
01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:37,190
to execute better or you know, 
we'll evaluate which is a cop 

1308
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:40,630
out thing to say in a public 
press conference. 

1309
01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:44,830
And look, I've always felt with 
a lot of successful people in 

1310
01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:47,190
any walk of life, a lot of 
people don't understand why 

1311
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:50,190
they're actually successful. 
They they don't understand what 

1312
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:51,870
brought them success in the 1st 
place. 

1313
01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:54,630
And so when that starts to go 
downhill, they don't look at 

1314
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:59,640
themselves and say I've done 
something wrong because that 

1315
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,320
that's not how a narrative of a 
human being works. 

1316
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,920
Like, you attribute what you 
think got you somewhere with 

1317
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,760
success. 
But when that stops working, 

1318
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,920
generally you're going to look 
outside first because as far as 

1319
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,120
you're concerned, you're still 
doing the exact same things that

1320
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,440
you were doing when you were 
successful. 

1321
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,120
I think that's likely what Tom 
Allen believes, and that's why 

1322
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,680
you hear the things you hear in 
the press conference. 

1323
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,960
And look, I think most people 
would say the same kind of 

1324
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,200
things. 
And you hear this from other 

1325
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:28,760
coaches in similar situations, 
so you know, that's so that's 

1326
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,120
how I would answer that. 
I mean it's very frustrating and

1327
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,240
I think, you know, this is where
it's really hard because you can

1328
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,840
have personal critiques and 
professional critiques of people

1329
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,120
and and personal critiques I 
think kind of really need to be 

1330
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,600
left out of a lot of things 
unless a person makes something 

1331
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,760
personal, which hasn't happened 
here. 

1332
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,560
But I think the professional 
critique of Allen is yes, he 

1333
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,360
believes he can do the job. 
I think that the larger issue is

1334
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,760
I don't think he understands why
the team isn't good. 

1335
01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:00,170
And that to me is the bedrock 
issue across the board with most

1336
01:07:00,170 --> 01:07:02,610
of what's going on with I U. 
Football the last three years. 

1337
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,570
And it is hard to get your head 
wrapped around when you consider

1338
01:07:05,570 --> 01:07:07,890
the success that they had the 
couple of years prior. 

1339
01:07:08,330 --> 01:07:10,570
Yeah, I mean, I always, I do 
feel bad for coaches when like 

1340
01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:12,530
you're in these stretches and if
you're going to O and eight and 

1341
01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:14,410
you got to keep going to the 
podium and like there's nothing 

1342
01:07:14,410 --> 01:07:17,490
you can say. 
And you know, the defense I will

1343
01:07:17,490 --> 01:07:19,950
say of Alan is like, you can't. 
You can't just go out and be 

1344
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:21,590
honest every single time, Like, 
well, you know, we're really 

1345
01:07:21,590 --> 01:07:22,790
going to not pay attention to 
mission. 

1346
01:07:22,790 --> 01:07:24,710
We're trying to beat Rutgers, 
which is kind of the truth. 

1347
01:07:24,750 --> 01:07:27,270
We all know that. 
But like, you can't say that. 

1348
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:29,390
So I do feel bad. 
But you are right. 

1349
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:31,390
Like the cognitive dissidents 
like this is something you'll 

1350
01:07:31,390 --> 01:07:33,910
see even like, you know, Woodson
do this like, you know, coaches 

1351
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:35,910
that that seem to have a little 
more confidence they'll come 

1352
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:36,310
out. 
McMahon. 

1353
01:07:36,310 --> 01:07:37,470
We suck tonight. 
Like, I suck. 

1354
01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:40,360
Like, just kind of like. 
Say, say what we're all thinking

1355
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,440
for a little bit and then go 
back to the coach speak. 

1356
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,880
It is frustrating to just 
continually hear nothing but 

1357
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,640
coach speak. 
And it's like at some point 

1358
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,280
during one of these eight game 
loss streaks, you know, can you 

1359
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,760
just be honest for 12 seconds 
and just be like, man, every, 

1360
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,120
you know? 
We suck and like and just even 

1361
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,280
to hear, you know, again, it's 
not going to change anything. 

1362
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,320
It's not gonna make anything 
better. 

1363
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,000
But I do think that is where 
Fran fans get frustrated is we 

1364
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,280
understand you can't come out 
and say everything. 

1365
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,040
That's a reality. 
But just little Nuggets to be 

1366
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,840
like, hey, like a little Easter 
egg to let us know that you, you

1367
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,440
understand what's going on, just
be like, hey, that was awful and

1368
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,979
you know. 
I I I'm not sure. 

1369
01:08:16,979 --> 01:08:20,660
You know just say something that
like you understand it not just 

1370
01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:23,819
kind of put a smile on and do 
the coach speak like it does. 

1371
01:08:24,060 --> 01:08:26,300
That's where it does that. 
There's a fine line there, but 

1372
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:28,540
we're missing that line where 
it's like we're just we're deep 

1373
01:08:28,540 --> 01:08:31,460
into like you said, corporate 
coach speak, which is like where

1374
01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:33,620
they, I don't even think you 
believe anything you're saying. 

1375
01:08:34,540 --> 01:08:38,060
We had a lot of comments from 
people about that, some Mark 

1376
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:39,859
Parrish asked. 
The question is, did they really

1377
01:08:39,859 --> 01:08:41,859
think they were ready and 
prepared to play? 

1378
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,319
Like, did they feel actually 
good about the adjustments they 

1379
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:47,120
made after Akron? 
It's so. 

1380
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,760
And they thought that right of 
the ship and then this happens 

1381
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,720
that tells me they have no 
awareness whatsoever. 

1382
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,720
I mean, this has been kind of 
the point we've been trying to 

1383
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,120
talk about over the course of of
the whole preseason and even 

1384
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,279
into the beginning of the year. 
You look back at the last couple

1385
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,319
of seasons and you get these 
total systems failures from I U.

1386
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,680
Football. 
It doesn't really feel like 

1387
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:12,210
they've got a clear bead on what
it is is creating problems and 

1388
01:09:12,210 --> 01:09:15,569
and that is I think one of the 
big concerns. 

1389
01:09:15,569 --> 01:09:18,450
I don't think it's the biggest 
concern but it is a big concern 

1390
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:21,609
when it comes to I, U. 
Football because ultimately if 

1391
01:09:21,609 --> 01:09:24,729
you don't know what you're not 
doing right you can't really fix

1392
01:09:24,729 --> 01:09:27,370
it and if you. 
But but I also think you know to

1393
01:09:27,370 --> 01:09:34,229
some degree when you look at 
Alan in particular you know in 

1394
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:36,710
and I've listened to a lot of 
Tom Allen press conferences I've

1395
01:09:36,710 --> 01:09:38,710
watched a lot of Tom Allen 
coached football. 

1396
01:09:38,710 --> 01:09:39,870
We'll. 
Get you counseling at the end of

1397
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:42,109
the season. 
I mean, you know, Allen. 

1398
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:47,550
It really feels to me like Allen
believes in a very, very rigid 

1399
01:09:48,109 --> 01:09:51,229
definition of what leads to 
winning football. 

1400
01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:56,070
And it's weird because he's 
almost had more success when 

1401
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:58,150
they've deviated from that a 
bit. 

1402
01:09:58,950 --> 01:10:04,300
But it's fair. 
But, but point aside, Alan seems

1403
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:07,300
to think that if you do this and
this and this, you're going to 

1404
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:10,940
win games. 
And maybe that's right in an 

1405
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:13,940
ideal world. 
The problem is that I you rarely

1406
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:19,500
has the collection of talent set
up in the way that you would 

1407
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:22,900
need to win games like that. 
And you know, we've we've seen 

1408
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:26,260
over and over again across 
college football coaches that 

1409
01:10:26,260 --> 01:10:28,800
can adapt. 
And we see this in basketball 

1410
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,040
too. 
It's not just college football, 

1411
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,400
college basketball also coaches 
that can adapt to their 

1412
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,920
personnel, can develop their 
personnel and can play a style 

1413
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,760
of football that is off the 
beaten path because you can't 

1414
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,800
compete headtohead with some of 
your opponents can still win 

1415
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,200
games. 
It doesn't feel like I use 

1416
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,160
anywhere close to that. 
And so I actually do think the 

1417
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,520
answer Mark is that yes, they 
did think that the adjustments 

1418
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,240
they made after Akron fixed the 
problem. 

1419
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,200
But the issue is ultimately that
I don't think they understood 

1420
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,680
what the core problem was to 
begin with and that's not going 

1421
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,760
to work. 
It's it's really it to me from 

1422
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,520
my perspective. 
I look at it and I say to 

1423
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,680
myself, I'm not, you know, I I 
we always talk about. 

1424
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,960
It's almost I'm tired at this 
point of the caveat. 

1425
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,040
We don't know nearly as much 
about. 

1426
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,360
Football as the coaches, It's 
like it's not our job to know as

1427
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:19,800
much about football as the 
coaches. 

1428
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,680
It is our job to. 
Evaluate what happens in the 

1429
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,450
output. 
You know the input and the 

1430
01:11:24,450 --> 01:11:26,610
throughput. 
I mean, you can quibble about 

1431
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:28,970
certain things, but the output 
is ultimately what matters. 

1432
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:34,050
And if your job is to know those
things and you repeatedly don't 

1433
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:37,570
make the adjustments or don't do
the developmental things or the 

1434
01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:42,450
choices beforehand that. 
Would lead to success. 

1435
01:11:42,490 --> 01:11:46,010
It's hard to believe that you're
making the right changes that'll

1436
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:47,850
make it work better the next 
time. 

1437
01:11:47,850 --> 01:11:50,810
So no, I mean I think they they 
have full, I believe this. 

1438
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:54,300
I think Alan has full faith that
what he thinks they're doing in 

1439
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:57,060
practice is actually the stuff 
that's leading to success. 

1440
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:00,620
It's not actually, and that is a
real problem and that should be 

1441
01:12:00,620 --> 01:12:05,300
a real concern for everybody. 
A couple other things real quick

1442
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:08,100
here, Scott, because I don't 
want to go with CSW Hoosier. 

1443
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,500
Rd. 
Feels like you guys have been 

1444
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,940
warning that this has been 
coming for a long time. 

1445
01:12:12,220 --> 01:12:15,220
I considered you to be a little 
too negative in years past, but 

1446
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:19,020
now it's coming home to roost. 
Take a victory lap, I can, I 

1447
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:21,260
suppose for having your concerns
validated, this sucks. 

1448
01:12:21,260 --> 01:12:23,420
Nothing much else to say. 
This is the thing. 

1449
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:25,300
I would have loved to have been 
wrong on this. 

1450
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:29,340
I mean, really, I I just it's. 
And this is this is honestly 

1451
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:32,900
you. 
The signs were there early, but 

1452
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:35,940
I was hoping that maybe maybe I 
was wrong. 

1453
01:12:35,980 --> 01:12:38,810
Maybe you were wrong. 
Maybe there would be some 

1454
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:41,370
adaptation and and maybe you 
know the okay last year was a 

1455
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:44,930
blip on the radar and maybe 
20/21 was just a you know a 

1456
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:47,050
season where everything went 
entirely wrong. 

1457
01:12:47,690 --> 01:12:51,650
But it's so I don't take any 
pleasure out of this. 

1458
01:12:51,650 --> 01:12:55,170
I mean I really the so this as 
we've talked about many times a 

1459
01:12:55,650 --> 01:12:58,970
it's so important that I U 
football is successful for such 

1460
01:12:58,970 --> 01:13:02,170
a large number of reasons. 
We feel that even more keenly 

1461
01:13:02,170 --> 01:13:05,970
than many people because we are 
actually I U football fans like 

1462
01:13:05,970 --> 01:13:09,050
we we are season ticket holders.
We've gone to games for decades 

1463
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:14,130
and look at, you know, Alan is a
great story in terms of like the

1464
01:13:14,130 --> 01:13:17,330
the one paragraph profile that 
you would put up about I, U 

1465
01:13:17,330 --> 01:13:19,330
Football is A, I is a Hoosier 
native. 

1466
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:22,370
He's an excitable coach who, you
know seems to get a lot of media

1467
01:13:22,370 --> 01:13:24,490
attention. 
It's just not working. 

1468
01:13:24,650 --> 01:13:29,850
And I, you know it feels to some
point it's funny. 

1469
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:34,300
I you know, like the Pittsburgh 
fans are going nuts right now. 

1470
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:37,060
Pitt Panther fans are going nuts
because their team has started 

1471
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:40,180
like one and four. 
And you know this is after A10 

1472
01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:41,620
win season, they're flipping 
out. 

1473
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:44,500
This happens in every fan base 
where things go sour. 

1474
01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:48,540
It almost feels like being 
critical of Tom Allen is like 

1475
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:50,100
being critical of the Easter 
Bunny. 

1476
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:52,620
You know that there's this 
attitude that you know well, 

1477
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:55,660
Alan, hey, but Alan loves the 
program and Alan's Mr. I U and 

1478
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:58,660
all of that is true. 
But you know, to to have the 

1479
01:13:58,660 --> 01:14:01,420
record that Indiana's had over 
the course of the last several 

1480
01:14:01,420 --> 01:14:05,740
years is is kind of wild. 
I mean, you know, there was a 

1481
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:09,380
quote or there was a statistic 
that our friend Taylor from Bite

1482
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:12,180
Size Bison put out. 
Indiana's point differential 

1483
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:15,580
against FBS opponents since the 
start of the 2021 season is 

1484
01:14:15,580 --> 01:14:20,880
-431, which means that in the 
last 2 1/2 years, Indiana's lost

1485
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:25,600
FBS games writ large, all of 
them by an average of 16 points 

1486
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,200
a game. 
Since then, you know Indiana 

1487
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,920
has, you know what, eight wins, 
I think, against FBS opponents 

1488
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,720
since then, and and multiple of 
those games were very lucky wins

1489
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,880
for Indiana. 
It's just not working. 

1490
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,760
I don't take any joy out of 
that. 

1491
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,840
This. 
The last three years of talking 

1492
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,480
about I, U Football has frankly 
sucked. 

1493
01:14:47,140 --> 01:14:50,860
Not just because of the results 
on the field, but because, you 

1494
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:54,020
know, we don't want this to just
be a miserable podcast every 

1495
01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:55,340
time. 
Which is why a lot of times we 

1496
01:14:55,340 --> 01:14:58,100
resort to humor, which a lot of 
you take is being mean spirited,

1497
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,340
which is not intended as it's 
really just a way to try to keep

1498
01:15:00,340 --> 01:15:03,180
things entertaining while we 
talk about something that has 

1499
01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:07,300
been inherently unentertaining. 
And that I think it's not a 

1500
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:09,700
whole lot different from talking
about I U Basketball when Archie

1501
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:12,060
Miller was here. 
You keep waiting for something 

1502
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:15,140
to get excited about on a weekly
basis, and it just never. 

1503
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:19,100
There's always this kind of hope
out there that maybe they're 

1504
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:21,780
just about to turn the corner 
and it just never actually 

1505
01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:24,460
happens. 
Once it the answer, sorry, I was

1506
01:15:25,540 --> 01:15:27,980
I agree with you a million like 
I I don't want to be negative. 

1507
01:15:27,980 --> 01:15:30,260
I don't want to take a victory 
lap like it is. 

1508
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:34,190
Kind of what we expected to see,
but I I will, you know, try and 

1509
01:15:34,190 --> 01:15:37,710
put this silver lining that this
may be the frustrating part, but

1510
01:15:37,710 --> 01:15:39,390
it's true. 
You know there's still 4 

1511
01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:41,950
winnable games out there. 
Like Rutgers is no amazing 

1512
01:15:41,950 --> 01:15:43,390
shakes. 
You know, Maryland is probably 

1513
01:15:43,390 --> 01:15:46,270
the best of these kind of mid 
level teams we're going to see 

1514
01:15:46,270 --> 01:15:49,150
this year based on the offense. 
You know, Illinois just got 

1515
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:52,790
throttled at Purdue. 
Michigan State, as you said, 

1516
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:55,750
like they are a a hot mess and 
who knows what kind of a mess 

1517
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:58,590
they'll be in at that point. 
Purdue was kind of, you know, 

1518
01:15:58,590 --> 01:16:00,190
not looking great. 
They just throtted Illinois. 

1519
01:16:00,230 --> 01:16:02,550
That's just two. 
Those two bad teams playing, 

1520
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:06,110
there's still 4 winnable games 
out there, you know, and this 

1521
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:09,150
is, I don't want to take. 
I'd love to be proven wrong. 

1522
01:16:09,150 --> 01:16:11,750
I think the the problem that you
and I are talking about is 

1523
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:16,070
there's just like no evidence to
show how we're going to 

1524
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:18,470
successfully win those four 
games and how we're going to 

1525
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:20,750
turn it around. 
So everything else just becomes,

1526
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:22,030
you know, kind of a hope and a 
prayer. 

1527
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:24,750
And you know, I would love to 
see them figure out a way. 

1528
01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:27,270
I'd love to see other teams at 
this point just make a bunch of 

1529
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:30,390
mistakes and we capitalize on 
it, unfortunately, like. 

1530
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:32,670
He said in some of those wins, 
like that's kind of already 

1531
01:16:32,670 --> 01:16:35,310
happened the last couple of 
years to get us the wins that we

1532
01:16:35,310 --> 01:16:38,110
got. 
But you know, it, it's, I think 

1533
01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:41,670
this is what you and I 
continually harp on is I I would

1534
01:16:41,670 --> 01:16:44,950
love to not look at the rest of 
the schedule and see maybe, you 

1535
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:48,910
know, half a win or a win, but 
there's no evidence to show that

1536
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:51,150
it's going to be there. 
And I think your point is valid.

1537
01:16:51,190 --> 01:16:52,510
All we can do is go off with the
results. 

1538
01:16:52,510 --> 01:16:54,070
We don't see the input. 
We don't see what's coming in. 

1539
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:56,750
We're not the coaches, but we 
see the output and the output's 

1540
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:58,410
been off. 
Like if it's just a results 

1541
01:16:58,450 --> 01:17:01,370
based, it's been really bad and 
there's no reason to think it's 

1542
01:17:01,370 --> 01:17:03,330
going to get better, but it it 
still could. 

1543
01:17:03,370 --> 01:17:06,010
And like things are definitely 
salvageable and it sounds 

1544
01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:08,210
insane, but that this team could
still make a ball. 

1545
01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:11,610
I mean you have 4 winnable games
ahead of you, you have two in 

1546
01:17:11,610 --> 01:17:15,290
the bank and you've got to find 
a way to start turning things 

1547
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:17,450
around and doing it. 
The problem is I don't see the 

1548
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:20,530
evidence and you know being 
honest to myself, not doing 

1549
01:17:20,530 --> 01:17:23,490
coach speak is I just I don't 
think that the pieces are in 

1550
01:17:23,490 --> 01:17:26,530
place for it to be done with 
this team and that in this 

1551
01:17:26,530 --> 01:17:28,800
coaching staff. 
It's really hard to make the 

1552
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,360
argument. 
I mean I I'm with you. 

1553
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,520
It's very, it's very hard. 
Well, pardon me, sorry, outside 

1554
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,440
just I want him to win. 
Like I just I'd love to see him 

1555
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:38,400
win. 
Yeah, I know it's so much of it 

1556
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,680
really just comes down to and 
then look the problem it's, it's

1557
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,720
interesting because I think, I 
mean look we've we've been 

1558
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,840
through multiple bottoming out 
periods. 

1559
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,040
I mean, even even the Indy Star 
was calling this rock bottom and

1560
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,600
then and then, you know, there 
was a followup column where it's

1561
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,880
like, well, actually actually 
there's no such thing as rock 

1562
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,440
bottom. 
It can always get lower. 

1563
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:00,040
That's not me talking, That's 
the Indy Star talking. 

1564
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:03,400
And then they're right. 
I mean, it can get worse. 

1565
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,080
You can go, oh and 12 as opposed
to two and Akron, you can lose 

1566
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,040
to Akron. 
I mean it, it could always get 

1567
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,280
worse. 
We've been through this cycle 

1568
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,800
before though. 
I mean, you know, we've, we've 

1569
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,080
been through it with Mallory. 
We were through it. 

1570
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,600
I mean the Cameron era was a was
largely just unrealized 

1571
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,000
expectations and we've been 
through it with Dinardo and 

1572
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,320
we've been through it with 
Lynch. 

1573
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:30,520
You know, like it's it's this is
not new territory for I U. 

1574
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:35,040
The difference here is, you know
in the in the past sometimes I U

1575
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:39,000
would wait a year too long to do
something, but they they would 

1576
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,680
generally make the change. 
And you know what worries me 

1577
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:46,800
about where the program's at 
right now is, you know, the the 

1578
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,400
all of the things that make the 
program work, the recruiting, 

1579
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,360
the overall vibe around the 
program, the, you know, people 

1580
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,720
like fans being excited or not 
excited. 

1581
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,880
Like it's it almost feels worse 
now. 

1582
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,280
Cuz like the last time you saw 
Indiana really bottom out was 

1583
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,760
probably the end of the Lynch 
era. 

1584
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,760
And that was still at a time 
when I U. 

1585
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,120
Football hadn't really kind of 
gotten its pathway back to some 

1586
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,960
level of respectability. 
You know, people hadn't really 

1587
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,000
fully started coming back into 
the stadium. 

1588
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:19,630
It was very much like what 
happened with the Dinardo era 

1589
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:22,430
where, you know, interest 
bottomed out. 

1590
01:19:22,430 --> 01:19:25,630
That was probably the lowest ebb
of I U football since the early 

1591
01:19:25,630 --> 01:19:29,430
1950s. 
The problem here, I think is 

1592
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:33,310
that I U had made so much 
progress in how their football 

1593
01:19:33,310 --> 01:19:36,950
program was positioned. 
They had a six year span where 

1594
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:41,230
they won, you know, six games, 
six games, five games, five 

1595
01:19:41,230 --> 01:19:44,150
games, eight games and in a 
shortened season, six games. 

1596
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:47,880
I mean, that's that's the 
backdrop for what's happened 

1597
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,600
over the course of the last 2 
1/2 seasons, which I think makes

1598
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,320
it even worse because you you've
got much further to fall in 

1599
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,120
terms of fan interest and in 
terms of recruiting and 

1600
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:59,560
positioning. 
And it's happening at like 

1601
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,680
absolutely the worst time in 
college sports history for this 

1602
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,560
kind of thing to be happening if
you're a program like Indiana. 

1603
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,080
And so, you know, for all the 
people who are writing, like, 

1604
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,400
you know, what should they do? 
And you know, you know what kind

1605
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,490
of changes need to be made. 
I don't know what the answer 

1606
01:20:15,490 --> 01:20:18,210
that is, and I think there's a 
whole bunch of very complicated 

1607
01:20:18,210 --> 01:20:20,450
things that go into that. 
But realistically speaking, what

1608
01:20:20,450 --> 01:20:23,290
we're dealing with is a 
situation where just looking at 

1609
01:20:23,290 --> 01:20:28,090
the situation, not the solutions
to the situation, this is about 

1610
01:20:28,090 --> 01:20:32,490
as bad as you can get right now 
for a program that didn't really

1611
01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:37,250
have the ability to be in this 
position again and that. 

1612
01:20:37,490 --> 01:20:40,290
And this also doubly hurts like 
no, you you hit it on the head 

1613
01:20:40,290 --> 01:20:42,450
with, you know that that that 
trailing run of, you know, five 

1614
01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:46,720
wins, five wins like and that's.
Again, that's what the 2021 hits

1615
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,960
so hard. 
It's not that you were bad, is 

1616
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,680
it felt like at that point like 
based off of 2 back-to-back bowl

1617
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,040
seasons like a six win season 
and a short season, people are 

1618
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,720
like, all right, I I've been 
burned before, but like I'm 

1619
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,000
going to now trust this. 
I'm going to trust that this 

1620
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,360
team has figured it out and 
they've raised the bottom and 

1621
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,000
they didn't and they just 
completely like torched 

1622
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,760
everything. 
And this is, you know, mark this

1623
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,320
moment. 
Save this clip. 

1624
01:21:10,940 --> 01:21:14,420
If I you gets back to a point 
where they win back-to-back 

1625
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:17,660
seasons of five games and six 
games, I know what's going to 

1626
01:21:17,660 --> 01:21:19,220
happen. 
They'll be the, you know, let's 

1627
01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:22,300
say they win 5-6 and seven games
in three years in a row and win,

1628
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:23,660
you know, go to two bowls and 
win two bowls. 

1629
01:21:24,130 --> 01:21:26,370
And then people are still 
leaving at halftime and there's 

1630
01:21:26,370 --> 01:21:27,970
gonna be the stories like, 
you've got to give it to this 

1631
01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:30,970
team, you've got to go there. 
It's like This is why like this 

1632
01:21:30,970 --> 01:21:36,650
right here is why fans IU 
football has such a hard row to 

1633
01:21:36,650 --> 01:21:40,850
go down is we did that. 
Like we like the recent memory 

1634
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:42,970
we had a couple years where 
things were good and then it 

1635
01:21:42,970 --> 01:21:44,730
just got completely smacked in 
the face. 

1636
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:48,450
We're here now, and This is why 
I always get so frustrated with 

1637
01:21:48,450 --> 01:21:50,930
the fans are the problem 
argument because. 

1638
01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:55,170
Completely getting the the 
football polled Lucy style like 

1639
01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:57,850
it's happening every time and 
even after a couple years 

1640
01:21:57,850 --> 01:22:00,690
successful it'll happen we'll be
we'll be doing all right and 

1641
01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:02,410
it's like the fans are still not
going to be there's back you got

1642
01:22:02,410 --> 01:22:05,450
to stop and support this team at
you know Ohio State levels like 

1643
01:22:05,530 --> 01:22:09,130
no because this is what happens.
You and I will still be there 

1644
01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:11,450
because I don't know, we're 
mentally deranged or something, 

1645
01:22:11,610 --> 01:22:14,090
but it's like this is this is 
that. 

1646
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,720
Not understanding that larger 
context and why you are right, 

1647
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,720
this hurts so much more than it 
has when it just seems like you 

1648
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,400
know it's like a car. 
That is the engine stops. 

1649
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,680
You're just rolling to a stop. 
There was a A staff that was 

1650
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,840
just tweeted out by Mike 
Schumann over at the Daily 

1651
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,520
Hoosier Follow Daily Hoosier on 
on X folks and they do some 

1652
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:33,600
great work. 
They really do. 

1653
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,840
But MM wrote in this In 13 games
against Power Five teams over 

1654
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,680
the last season and a half, the 
I U football offense has topped 

1655
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:46,020
24 points in regulation once, 
and that was last year against 

1656
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:48,940
Maryland when they scored 33 
points and lost. 

1657
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:52,460
So it is. 
And that to have an offense 

1658
01:22:52,460 --> 01:22:56,060
that's been that inept for that 
long and also coupling that with

1659
01:22:56,060 --> 01:22:59,140
the lack of a defense that can 
win games when your team only 

1660
01:22:59,140 --> 01:23:02,300
scores 24 points or less. 
It's a hard ask and I don't know

1661
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:04,660
what the solution is. 
I we had a bunch of people 

1662
01:23:04,660 --> 01:23:07,100
asking us to explain, like why 
should we pay attention to this 

1663
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:08,860
team at all moving forward the 
rest of the year? 

1664
01:23:08,900 --> 01:23:10,980
I have no answers for you. 
I don't know why you're even 

1665
01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:14,500
listening to this podcast. 
I mean I really I I and I 

1666
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:16,260
appreciate those of you who are 
listening. 

1667
01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:21,500
I mean I don't. 
I I we do this because it's it's

1668
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:24,540
like a it's like a morbid 
fascination at this point with I

1669
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:26,700
U. 
Football and every offseason we 

1670
01:23:26,700 --> 01:23:28,140
talk about should we stop 
podcasts. 

1671
01:23:28,140 --> 01:23:29,700
But I U Football because it 
feels like we're just nothing 

1672
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,580
but negative. 
I'd love to be positive but I'm 

1673
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:35,300
not going to lie. 
I'm not going to make things up 

1674
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:38,060
to try to make the program look 
better than it is at this point.

1675
01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:41,310
And I'm and it's just 
unfortunate I mean I'm sure 

1676
01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:43,270
we've said things in the past 
that have been interpreted as 

1677
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:46,110
unfair or have actually been 
unfair that's that's a fair 

1678
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:50,990
thing to say. 
But at the end of the day it's 

1679
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:54,830
it's a program where I feel like
there's very little scrutiny on 

1680
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:59,350
why things aren't going right 
and and you know why the coach 

1681
01:23:59,350 --> 01:24:03,230
doesn't seem to have any answers
despite you know having some of 

1682
01:24:03,230 --> 01:24:05,510
the best job security in the 
country at this point. 

1683
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:07,510
And that's it's really 
depressing that things are where

1684
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:10,740
they're at, because it'd be 
great to have Indiana football 

1685
01:24:10,740 --> 01:24:13,500
even back to where they were 
four or five, six years ago, 

1686
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:15,500
where they're winning, you know,
in the five, six game range. 

1687
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:17,940
And they're at least competitive
in some of these contests where 

1688
01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:20,220
they're they're able to score 
points occasionally. 

1689
01:24:20,650 --> 01:24:23,170
And I, you know, at the end of 
it all, it's hard for me to just

1690
01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:27,890
look at Walt Walt Bell and say 
he's the problem When before it 

1691
01:24:27,890 --> 01:24:31,570
was Nick Sheridan was the 
problem, before that it was Mike

1692
01:24:31,570 --> 01:24:34,530
Debord that was the problem. 
The offense wasn't good enough 

1693
01:24:34,530 --> 01:24:36,970
then either. 
There's one common thread 

1694
01:24:36,970 --> 01:24:37,970
throughout. 
All of that. 

1695
01:24:37,970 --> 01:24:40,370
And it's it's not just the 
coaching. 

1696
01:24:41,010 --> 01:24:44,050
It's also frankly, a bunch of 
other things. 

1697
01:24:44,050 --> 01:24:47,010
You know, the recruiting, the 
overall atmosphere, the program,

1698
01:24:47,010 --> 01:24:49,490
the way things are put together.
I would love it for all to turn 

1699
01:24:49,490 --> 01:24:51,450
around. 
Maybe the evaluations will work 

1700
01:24:51,450 --> 01:24:53,770
here during the bye week. 
They haven't worked up to this 

1701
01:24:53,770 --> 01:24:55,290
point. 
They haven't worked when you've 

1702
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:57,570
had the whole offseason to 
evaluate, but maybe it'll work 

1703
01:24:57,570 --> 01:25:00,450
this time around anyway. 
Any final thoughts? 

1704
01:25:00,650 --> 01:25:02,330
No, I was. 
I want to just real quick answer

1705
01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:03,410
that question too because it's 
funny. 

1706
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:05,570
I was having you know my wife 
and I were drive we I watched 

1707
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:08,760
the first like 3/4. 
And then we went out to dinner 

1708
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,400
and went drive with my wife. 
And I'm just like, I like and 

1709
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,520
just being completely honest 
here. 

1710
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,000
I'm like, I've had season 
tickets for football since 09 

1711
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,040
and we moved back here, back to 
Indiana and I was like, I don't,

1712
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,320
should we keep them really like,
I mean, I enjoyed. 

1713
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:23,040
We've talked about it. 
It's like, how much do you have 

1714
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,240
to? 
I like doing the tailgate but 

1715
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,720
it's like you know we're we're 
going to fall break. 

1716
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,080
We get back like you know late 
on Friday night before the 

1717
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,800
Rutgers games that's that's and 
that's on us. 

1718
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,840
It's an hour drives like. 
So, like, do I really want to 

1719
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:36,760
get up early that morning? 
Right after? 

1720
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,160
Like, do I want to do? 
That probably not. 

1721
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,000
And then it's like now you get 
into weather games and it's like

1722
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,960
Wisconsin and it's like it's 
just like we're going to fewer 

1723
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,440
and fewer games every year. 
Part of it's on weather. 

1724
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:47,600
Yeah, maybe I'm a shitty fan or 
a fair weather fan. 

1725
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,440
That's fine. 
But you know, I have, well, I 

1726
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,000
have kids and they're doing 
basketball, by the way. 

1727
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,400
Like, I'd much rather at this 
point go to my son's basketball 

1728
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,920
game than an I U football game. 
Like I get way more enjoyment 

1729
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,480
out of it. 
I I like it a lot more. 

1730
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:00,880
Plus he's related to me and I I 
dig him a little bit. 

1731
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,280
But it's like I'm having this 
conversation for the first time 

1732
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,160
in years where I'm like, I don't
know if it you know. 

1733
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:09,550
And like the Ohio State game, we
went with kind of the plan that 

1734
01:26:09,550 --> 01:26:11,310
we go to tailgate and leave at 
halftime. 

1735
01:26:11,310 --> 01:26:12,870
We stayed because the game was 
close. 

1736
01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:16,030
But it's like the, like, I'm 
what am I paying for? 

1737
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:18,590
Like as a season ticket holder, 
like I'm kind of using all the 

1738
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:20,670
wrong things. 
So like I'm going and planning 

1739
01:26:20,670 --> 01:26:22,310
to leave early because I'm 
assuming we're going to get 

1740
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:23,310
blown out. 
It's like I'm just. 

1741
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:27,090
Not going to games. 
It's just it is as somebody who 

1742
01:26:27,090 --> 01:26:30,610
doesn't want to give up his 
tickets like to me, I I should 

1743
01:26:30,610 --> 01:26:33,690
be a real problem for IU 
football and IU athletics to see

1744
01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:36,690
somebody who's like I'm trying 
trying to figure out why I 

1745
01:26:36,690 --> 01:26:39,450
should be doing this because 
again, money is finite. 

1746
01:26:39,450 --> 01:26:41,890
I don't have unlimited amounts 
of it and so. 

1747
01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:45,090
Football is supposed to be a 
sport but also an entertainment 

1748
01:26:45,090 --> 01:26:46,570
product and it's not. 
Anyway. 

1749
01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:49,930
And I think to back to what you 
said to me years ago and I was 

1750
01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:52,370
like, I love going to college 
football games and I like the 

1751
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:54,610
atmosphere and you're like, well
then go to a real program. 

1752
01:26:54,610 --> 01:26:57,930
I don't go to IU games and it's 
but anyway I don't, well, I, you

1753
01:26:57,930 --> 01:27:00,410
know, I don't want year, but 
it's like I'm really having that

1754
01:27:00,410 --> 01:27:01,530
debate. 
So to answer that question, like

1755
01:27:01,570 --> 01:27:04,010
I'm really having that question,
I can't, I can't tell anybody 

1756
01:27:04,010 --> 01:27:06,290
why they should go well. 
And look, I'll say this, I think

1757
01:27:06,290 --> 01:27:07,890
people get hung up on the wrong 
things. 

1758
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:10,770
I mean people complain about the
game day experience, so they 

1759
01:27:10,770 --> 01:27:13,570
complain about the parking or 
they, you know, look, I've been 

1760
01:27:13,570 --> 01:27:15,850
to a lot of college football 
games all over the place. 

1761
01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:19,770
There's a few places that run it
like an NFL team does where it's

1762
01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:22,090
it's actually really well put 
together and really well 

1763
01:27:22,090 --> 01:27:26,130
managed. 75% of the places I've 
been, it's the same or worse 

1764
01:27:26,130 --> 01:27:28,850
than Indiana in terms of of, you
know, what you get. 

1765
01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:31,490
Indiana is not an outlier in 
that. 

1766
01:27:31,490 --> 01:27:35,850
I think the difference is even 
places that have, you know, not 

1767
01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:40,940
the most ideal game day 
experience win games and give 

1768
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their fans more often than not 
something to cheer for. 

1769
01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:47,740
And that is the thing that is 
always, or not always, but 

1770
01:27:47,820 --> 01:27:50,780
pretty consistently over the 
course of I U Football history 

1771
01:27:51,260 --> 01:27:54,580
has been missing from the I U 
Football experience, even the 

1772
01:27:54,580 --> 01:27:58,100
the fleeting moments when you do
get that generally. 

1773
01:27:58,610 --> 01:28:02,290
They go away very quickly and 
that you know every time Indiana

1774
01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:05,530
has a chance to deliver for fans
in terms of the on the field 

1775
01:28:05,530 --> 01:28:07,890
experience, which is the one 
thing you can't control as a 

1776
01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:11,250
marketing department. 
They've managed to figure out a 

1777
01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:13,450
way to screw things up. 
And you know, even just in the 

1778
01:28:13,450 --> 01:28:16,650
last decade, the Minnesota game 
in 2013 with the with the 

1779
01:28:16,650 --> 01:28:20,610
lateral that Minnesota recovers 
and Indiana loses that game, You

1780
01:28:20,610 --> 01:28:24,360
know, in 2015, the Rutgers game.
I mean, you can go down the list

1781
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,680
of all of these games where you 
know it was, should have been a 

1782
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,320
coronation, should have been a 
celebration. 

1783
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,800
And it ends up being just 
another reminder to those people

1784
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,000
who do brave the elements or do 
go out and and fight through 

1785
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,720
crowds or whatever, that it's 
just not. 

1786
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,760
It's it it it ends up not being 
fun. 

1787
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,000
And right now, I mean, this is 
just not a fun product. 

1788
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:48,720
It's it's not something that you
want to watch and we can talk 

1789
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,040
about execution all we want. 
You know what you're executing 

1790
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,840
out there is it still doesn't 
look particularly engaging or 

1791
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,600
exciting And I think you've, you
know at this point unfortunately

1792
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,000
this group of of this, this 
coaching staff, this particular 

1793
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,000
regime has used up all of their 
mulligans with fans. 

1794
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,560
And I think you now you're 
starting to see real anger and 

1795
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,480
and apathy coming out of the fan
base because they're like all 

1796
01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:19,170
right we've given faith that 
this is going to get better and 

1797
01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:22,330
it's not getting better and so 
fine, we'll just stop paying 

1798
01:29:22,330 --> 01:29:24,970
attention. 
And the problem is I, you know, 

1799
01:29:24,970 --> 01:29:27,210
I I don't know what the solution
is at this point. 

1800
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:30,210
Like there there's not really. 
There doesn't appear to be the 

1801
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:33,170
internal selfreflection of why 
things aren't going right from 

1802
01:29:33,170 --> 01:29:36,650
the coaches, so the on field 
product just feels. 

1803
01:29:37,410 --> 01:29:41,370
So that's like you said, this is
the absolute worst time to be a 

1804
01:29:41,370 --> 01:29:44,740
program. 
Not having functional football. 

1805
01:29:44,740 --> 01:29:46,140
We can end on that anyway. 
Yeah. 

1806
01:29:46,140 --> 01:29:48,260
Well, so we'll wrap it up. 
Thank you all for listening. 

1807
01:29:48,500 --> 01:29:50,740
We appreciate it as always. 
Scott, always a pleasure 

1808
01:29:50,740 --> 01:29:54,700
chatting with you. 
For those of you who are around,

1809
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:57,420
obviously we won't have a 
preview podcast this week 

1810
01:29:57,420 --> 01:30:00,180
because there's no game, but 
we'll be back. 

1811
01:30:01,020 --> 01:30:02,620
Are you doing Crimson Cash this 
week? 

1812
01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:05,260
Yeah, we do every week. 
So Crimson Cash will be out on 

1813
01:30:05,260 --> 01:30:07,500
Thursday. 
So keep an eye out for that and 

1814
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:12,760
also we're going to have 
upcoming here a relatively 

1815
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,800
special episode, our thousandth 
episode. 

1816
01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:17,760
So keep an eye out for that 
sometime in the next couple of 

1817
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,720
weeks. 
A lot to talk about obviously 

1818
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:24,240
with I, U Basketball as that 
season starts to get going, they

1819
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,360
just they've had multiple 
practices already. 

1820
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,040
Things are are starting to 
percolate on that side of 

1821
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,520
things. 
So we'll we'll be hopefully 

1822
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,190
having you folks along as we 
approach our thousandth episode 

1823
01:30:35,230 --> 01:30:37,550
and we'll look forward to 
chatting with you all over the 

1824
01:30:37,550 --> 01:30:40,750
course of this next month. 
So anyway, thanks to our friends

1825
01:30:40,750 --> 01:30:42,310
that don't feel apparel. 
Thanks to our friends at the 

1826
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:43,990
Back Home Network. 
Thanks to all of you as always 

1827
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:47,390
for listening for Scott, I'm 
Galen, this is Crimson Cast. 

1828
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:49,110
We'll catch you folks on the 
flip side. 

1829
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:49,750
So long, everybody.