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You're listening to the back 
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Welcome as Crimson Cask ale and 

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clavius got Caulfield joining. 
You it is the 13th of November 

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talking, some Indiana Hoops as 
IU, basketball back. 

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In action again, and 20 on the 
season, where it talked about 

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what we saw this week and what 
we're anticipating coming up 

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over the holiday season, Scott 
is with me Scott. 

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Good to talk to you again. 
How are things? 

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It's great, man. 
It's funny. 

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I was telling you earlier, we 
originally started this podcast 

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in 2008 as a, you know, we focus
on basketball. 

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It's right. 
When kind of the the Samson 

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cream thing happened. 
We did a lot of basketball talk.

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And then we both, you know, knew
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started doing football pods and 
then Weird spot where we have a 

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cycle for football. 
We don't we're getting back into

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the cycle for basketball just 
because we've had kind of down 

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bass while yours. 
But it's like, I look at my life

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and it's like, I got into this, 
basketball is easily. 

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My favorite sport IU basketball 
is one of my favorite teams out 

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there. 
And yet I find myself podcasting

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like, eight times more about 
football and it's like the Venn 

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diagram of what I like and what 
I podcast about has gotten way 

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out of whack. 
So I'm hoping this year to bring

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it back and do way more 
basketball talk than the amount 

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of football. 
Talk. 

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I've said they had to endure 
this year. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, basketball has all, you 

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know, it's supposed to feel. 
I don't try to have the best way

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to put this. 
Like it's almost like a refuge 

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from football and I you, it is, 
oh, hey. 

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I'm able to talk about something
joyful and the problem is that 

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basketball hasn't really been 
joyful either. 

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It's been, yeah, it's been 
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over the last. 
Oh, I don't know, really, the 

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whole really the last 12 that 
really, since we've been doing 

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it, like, since that change over
to cream, And you know that, if 

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you look at the 80-year history 
of I-80, the last 80 years, like

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what would be the worst stretch 
to have a podcast? 

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Like, probably probably? 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I guess, I think if we'd
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would have sucked because that 
would have been there would have

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been a lot of Bad seasons. 
And even, I mean, even even the,

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the, the Arts, but you even 
doing it 15 years, even the 60s,

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we get early night by the end of
our time, by the end of that 15 

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year run. 
Well, if you, yes, if you pot, 

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if you patent it would be. 
Now my brain is breaking 

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thinking about how all this 
would work. 

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But knowing my luck, even even 
the, oh, oh, OHS like 2000 was a

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pretty good season that had a 
bad ending and then that gets 

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fired. 
And then no one was actually a 

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really good season that just 
ended disappointingly in the 

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tournament 02. 
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was fun. 
Fun up until the end and it was 

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really just 04 and 05 that were 
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again, a pretty good season. 
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07 was fascinating 08 was great.
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And then from there it's like 09
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was like the sun shining 80 for 
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it's been great for three 
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Ride but yeah, 14 was distorted.
14 was bad, 15 was questionable.

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16 really didn't feel fun? 
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fun and then all the rest of the
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Like, they were really bad to 
dose, they were really bad to 

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podcast because you're, you 
know, it's like you're trying to

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do, you're trying. 
To generate excitement, and yet,

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in the back of your head, it's 
like, this is tough. 

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Like, this is, it's tough to get
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And it's what has made the start
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And again, there's a lot of 
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They've yet to play a really 
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feels fun. 
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the other day, it's almost like,
it feel, it felt like fun had 

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been forbidden from the IU 
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Just for the players but also 
for the fans for the longest 

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time. 
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this year, is that it's fun. 
I mean, if there's championships

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one, great, if you know if 
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of wins, racked up great but I 
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fun again. 
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might have a chance of doing. 
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that. 
When we talk about, we saw in 

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All right. 
Scott Indiana to and oh and 

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neither of the teams that they 
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show. 
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Morehead State is probably the 
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conference. 
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they have actually just turn 
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yesterday, a team that beat 
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Bethune-Cookman, And not a very 
good team at all, but I do think

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it's important to think about 
what we've seen out of the team 

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so far. 
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invigorating about this team is 
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They are really deep, like they 
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not just want to score, but also
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great stat. 
There's a, there's an awesome 

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Twitter account I would 
recommend Everybody. 

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Follow called, Shot quality. 
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basically that The Scouting 
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tweet things out. 
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basically, they want to track 
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efficiency, which is what you 
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torvik. 
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it a good shot. 
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you know, good ball movement, or
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combination there in and so far 
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Three in good shot per 
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seven which is really high. 
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State, Arizona Marquette and 
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that Indiana has taken have been
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to see it means Indiana's 
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quality shots so that's been 
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But then what's also been 
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and how committed defensively IE
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even against Bad opponents. 
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opponents and do it in kind of a
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Indiana has throttled both of 
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15 minute, Mark of the first 
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defense and they really look 
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Scott. 
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are things that we just haven't 
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Over the course of the last 
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hasn't been fun, and the defense
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doing it with their souls. 
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people grew up watching, 
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defense. 
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what stuck out for me. 
Thus far, what have you been 

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enjoying with this team up to 
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Yeah, me I will have to agree 
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defense has been has been 
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I think one of your talks with 
Tony were talking about like the

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last time we were in the top 10 
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and can palm. 
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that the seasoning into the 
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got that wrong in my head, as 
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the answer. 
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again, to games, like everything
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they're six in the country 
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look at the Big Ten, you know, 
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everybody else is like 40th or 
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to other teams in the Big Ten 
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know, varied competition. 
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aircraft carriers, what most 
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garbage opponents here. 
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There's you can judge that and 
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going to be one of if not the 
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Ten. 
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really nice to have and to hang 
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The trouble is like, you know, 
we've had okay defenses and then

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just, you know, poor offenses, 
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we took the bob Knight coaching 
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But I do and I'm sorry. 
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Ellenberger coaching class of 
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The Norville hamburger with 
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Bob not even coaching class but 
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true like your defense travels 
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you offenses fickle defense is 
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where, yes, we're, you know, 
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Bethune-Cookman are not going to
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defensive, you know, you can 
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those team, but defense is 
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The thing that I'm most 
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every year, I kind of always 
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We're even, I've been caught 
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looking at the team and you're 
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depth like, you know, are we 
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for all these guys? 
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know, we have three point guards
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and then within six games, 
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six guys. 
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then it's like I don't like 
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Don't like the second you saw 
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Last year, it's like second unit
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I'm like there's real depth 
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you know, race Thompson hasn't 
played well, but against the 

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overthrown cook, but he had 
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It's not, it's just there's not,
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not everyone's going to have 
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something again. 
We haven't really dealt with. 

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You have Hood Shafi, know you 
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I do want to talk about Caleb 
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backups. 
Are you have real depth at a lot

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of positions? 
You know, everybody's really 

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enjoying Malik renew, which I 
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He's coming off the bench and 
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Like there's really not a spot 

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for him to move up, you know, 
George run with. 

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We haven't talked much about 
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He like, all of these are real 
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real moments and there's going 
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And I mean, dude, first guy off 
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tomorrow Bates and he played the
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Bethune-Cookman. 
It's it feels like for the The 

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first time in a long time and we
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almost all the positions and 
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say is this is kind of like a 
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I'm I've not seen this team in 
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there and see them in person. 
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feels like that. 
This team is together in a way 

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that I haven't seen in a while, 
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You know, it's I remember some 
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his points and it's like, guys 
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kind of doing the the bench 
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team is together and they're 
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it does just feel Like this team
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being together and knows that 
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but everyone will get their shot
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refreshing to see. 
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quantify it, scientifically, 
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crazy, but you can see, it was 
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know? 
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They're in it was there in 12 
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the whole season and it was 
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during the even, you know, that 
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I never really felt like Thomas 
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felt the Troy Williams was on 
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Page with anybody, you know, it 
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marriage of convenience this and
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I will keep caveat in that, but 
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a level of Esprit de corps that 
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having, like, we've seen Purdue 
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Michigan State play like this in
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each other. 
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like you said, if I don't get 
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going to come around for me 
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that shines through the most is 
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ball because that requires a 
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immediate statistical Reward and
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if this is how this team is 
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the season and and they're able 
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greatest thing other than 
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Woodson will have brought to the
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Is this sense of look? 
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collective effort and that does 
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last several years with IU 
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Again, we'll see. 
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I think Woodson gets credit to 
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of credit. 
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those, you know, personalities, 
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Like NBA coach really is more 
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running sets, like, in the NBA 
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But I do have to say here that I
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John's game, the level of 
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just locked in this, that Xavier
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and if if this continues to move
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seasons. 
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This is kind of the new Norm for
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defensive team that has this 
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I think we have to look at 
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always, that's always a thing. 
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I was like we just one of the 
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teaching, the young guys how to 
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the practice but it does feel 
like the team has taken Xavier 

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Johnson's passion for defense 
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and really harnessed it in a 
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somebody we look back on. 
It's like he really was somebody

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who helped teach this team have 
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like you know if you know Malik 
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the next couple years like they 
learn. 

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He he becomes the linchpin that 
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me last year. 
It's so stood out Xavier 

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Johnson's, you know just 
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can just kind of hard to sit 
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but But I think he's gonna be a 
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forward, if that becomes kind of
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Yeah, that's the thing. 
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fans that aren't fond of Xavier 
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react to the worst things that 
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need that he does get 
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calls and he will get himself in
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He reminds me of you know like 
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I remember watching in the NBA 
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would Workman vibe to him at 
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like, talented but, but very 
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things off the table that you 
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taken off the table. 
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context of this team and a 
contest college basketball, he's

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he's really important because of
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I mean he's out there defending 
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Bethune-Cookman. 
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body in front of driving. 
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same game and in the first game,
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minutes left in the game. 
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settled. 
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the point guard for the 
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just gives it a whole different 
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that Tony and I talked about, in
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think Xavier Johnson. 
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we've seen it over the course of
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Ratchet back to turnovers, he's 
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high level of assists. 
He's going to be able to 

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provide, I think a good 
offensive leadership, and he 

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doesn't have to carry all that 
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shine where he where he brings 
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is not just the ability to 
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Fitness he had the ability to 
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being a pain in the ass 
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And I think in a Big Ten that is
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guards to have him as a secret 
weapon that you can put out 

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there on, you know, any top 
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at least in this conference, is 
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It's something that is going to 
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down the line. 
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people I think of started to 
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Chaffee. 
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And, and rightfully. 
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make passes and have court 
Vision Xavier Johnson's, going 

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to be arguably more important 
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This season in particular, 
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effort and intensity is going to
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is able to do, while he's on the
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So in the thing, the thing, the 
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know and I want to talk about 
him as a high-level Prospect of,

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I'm excited. 
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Xavier Johnson, I was thinking 
about is you know, having huge 

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feet of Hose. 
So important and having somebody

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who's so plug-in ready. 
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mask some of the issues with 
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Xavier it's like it's coaching 
him has to be hard because you 

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don't want to take away too much
of that passion. 

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You want him guarding 75 feet 
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the flip side, like you're going
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going to get frustrated and 
probably get two quick fouls or 

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get annoyed or like get to the 
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to come out and you got to just 
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that was always our problem last
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Frustrating is like Xavier, you 
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basically had to Had to run it, 
you know, Reverend really high 

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but then it's like you had to 
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It's like that's just not the 
kind of player that I see Xavier

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Johnson is like, he's somebody 
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times. 
It's going to boil over. 

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It's like you don't want to turn
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don't get a lot of that. 
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I think that, that Purdue game 
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think he got into foul trouble, 
but you know, that was the game 

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where Rob fantasy came in. 
Scorpio 26 points, just played 

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out of his mind but we were able
to beat a top. 

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Level Purdue team based on the 
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Xavier had to come out, we had 
another high-level point guard 

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come in and that's kind of what 
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And that's, you know, at that 
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that Indiana team if and I'm not
like picking on Rob fennessy, 

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but if we had a point guard who 
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play that role that fantasy 
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Purdue game. 
We could have been anybody 

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anywhere anytime well and yeah, 
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week. 
It have that this year, it looks

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like it and but I think the 
important thing to expand the 

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conversation a little bit is 
that it's not just that you've 

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got Jalen Hurd Ruffino and 
Xavier Johnson as The backcourt.

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And, you know, went and then he 
got trade Galloway, who can come

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in Off the Bench and play in 
either of the roles that those 

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two gentlemen, occupy you've got
tomorrow Bates, who still looks 

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pretty limited offensively but 
looks really good defensively. 

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Like really his length and his 
athleticism. 

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He He is able to do a fairly 
good Xavier Johnson impression, 

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but the fact that Indiana's got 
that level of depth at almost 

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every position. 
If Trace Jackson Davis is having

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a bad game or gets into foul 
trouble last year. 

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You're bringing in Michael dirr.
Yep. 

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Or you're bringing in Jordan 
Geronimo and he's, you know, 

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kind of rooted in the paint 
because he doesn't have the 

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confidence to do a whole lot 
else you don't, you know, now 

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you've got Malik renew who looks
capable of playing three 

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different positions. 
You've got race Thompson. 

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Who can rotate over to either of
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You've got Animo, you've gets 
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expanded Geronimo. 
Logan Duncan has looked 

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serviceable like I wouldn't I 
would be I would have been 

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terrified if last year the only 
option was? 

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We have to go to Logan dunk him 
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Logan duck. 
I'm kind of looks like you know,

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Todd Lindemann you know like a 
better version of Todd Lindemann

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his senior year where it's like 
wait Todd Linderman's good we 

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you know Where he's a guy who 
could be functional in there. 

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If you needed to play him, 
you've got Kayla Banks who leads

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the team right now and offensive
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I mean he's played in relatively
limited minutes but the dude 

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just scores buckets when he's in
there and grabs rebounds and so 

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that level of depth, yes. 
There's going to be some growing

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pains. 
And again, yes, this is against 

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lesser competition, but none of 
these guys, nothing that I've 

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seen out of any of those players
thus far. 

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Do I look at them and I say, A I
don't think that would translate

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against a better opponent and 
that's going to be really 

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fascinating to watch because if 
you can truly get this 

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Collective effort among these 
players where they feel like 

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they're contributing to 
something, and they have a role 

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to play, it's no longer like 
we've seen the last several 

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years, stretching, frankly back 
all the way into the crane era, 

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where it felt like there was a 
clear group of starters and then

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a clear group of everybody else.
If you've got kind of one guy, 

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Guy that or two guys that are 
absolutely going to start. 

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And then you've got seven 
interchangeable pieces, that's a

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recipe for a lot of really good 
basketball. 

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Because if someone's having a 
bad game, it's no longer an 

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unavoidable catastrophe. 
It's something that you can fix 

443
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:20,200
in a relatively short period of 
time because you can put 

444
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,700
somebody else out there to take 
their place and let them get 

445
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,900
their mind back into where they 
can actually contribute, no. 

446
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:29,100
And I'm so annoyed that you took
the Caleb Banks and Clubman. 

447
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:33,500
So like I wanted that like, Stop
could hop on the pot and take it

448
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:34,700
in time. 
There's fighting there's 

449
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:37,600
fighting over it on social media
so you might still be able to 

450
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,700
stake a claim man. 
All right. 

451
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:42,200
Well, I'm a I'm a one of the 
front rows I'm going to, I'm 

452
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,000
going to hop into the passenger 
seat here, pretty soon. 

453
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,100
But to me, he's a perfect 
example of what's so good about 

454
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,800
this team. 
As I feel like any previous any 

455
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,500
of the last previous eight or 
nine years, we would have seen 

456
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,300
this, but it's like, all right, 
but we need Kayla Banks to be, 

457
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,100
you know, our backup point 
guard, we need twenty five good 

458
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:00,600
minutes out of him every game or
20. 

459
00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,300
Eight minutes and he's a 
freshman he's not going to be 

460
00:24:03,308 --> 00:24:04,600
able to provide. 
I'm not saying he's bad. 

461
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,900
It's just like that's a very 
hard thing to be like be a 

462
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:11,500
consistent player as a freshman.
He looks like what a college 

463
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,600
freshman is somebody who's going
to have great nights? 

464
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,500
Somebody's gonna have bad nights
and that's where I look at that.

465
00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:19,900
And again I think let's talk 
about Hood, zaffino to, he looks

466
00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,100
in a different class. 
He will also probably have some 

467
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,900
off nights but it that's what's 
so nice about. 

468
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:28,100
This is like it. 
Kayla Banks is having a good 

469
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,100
night. 
It's like all right, let it ride

470
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:30,600
then. 
Let's play. 

471
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,100
To keep on rolling. 
But if he's having a rough 

472
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:35,200
night, it's like, okay, we're 
just not going to play you as 

473
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,600
much, but we have Hood. 
Sophina, we have Xavier Johnson,

474
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600
like maybe that's one of the 
nice where we play, you know, 

475
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,900
Xavier Johnson, 35 minutes a 
game. 

476
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,300
But then next time it's like, 
all right, we need, you know, 

477
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,200
Caleb Banks can have that good 
game against Minnesota and we 

478
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,100
play Xavier Johnson, 22 minutes.
Like that's what it always feels

479
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:51,600
like. 
I'm saying what you said just a 

480
00:24:51,608 --> 00:24:53,300
different way. 
It's like we've always had that 

481
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:57,100
problem the last seven or eight 
years where We can't rely on the

482
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:58,500
backup. 
So we're kind of stuck with this

483
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,800
Sophie's choice of like, do we 
run our starters? 

484
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,600
35 minutes, a game and run them 
into the ground, or do we put 

485
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,800
our second unit in and just, you
know, hope we can hang on to 

486
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,600
whatever lead we had or do 
whatever. 

487
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,100
And now, it feels like that's 
kind of a third unit issue which

488
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,300
is just a totally different 
world to be in. 

489
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:22,900
And it's it's frustrating 
because it's like the for all I 

490
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,700
hate to bring this up but I just
have no good. 

491
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,300
All the people. 
All Time like hey, just give 

492
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:29,900
Archie more time. 
That Creed is a little more 

493
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,800
time. 
Like this is not that hard like 

494
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:36,700
Mike Woodson has not been on the
job for more than 24 months and 

495
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:39,500
look at where we're at. 
Like we have a really nice team.

496
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:42,400
I understand he got some pieces 
but I mean he did, he kept 

497
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,300
racetracks and Davis here you 
know, this is it's not that 

498
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,600
hard. 
Indiana basketball turned 

499
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,900
around. 
So does everyone keep that in 

500
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,400
your mind the next time if and 
when we have a new coach or kind

501
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,500
of dealing with some 
uncertainty, which sadly it 

502
00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:55,900
seems to happen too often that 
it's like it. 

503
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,300
And take that long to get here. 
And it's not like Woodson, he 

504
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:01,900
had some good nice faeces. 
He walked into a tough situation

505
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:03,500
and turned it around really 
quick. 

506
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:05,500
And that's what always 
frustrates me when it's like, 

507
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:06,700
it's got to take three or four 
years. 

508
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:09,800
It doesn't know. 
Really really doesn't now. 

509
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,500
I agree. 
And then look, I mean, Woodson, 

510
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,100
you can say, he got lucky 
because Trace Jackson Davis 

511
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,600
stuck around but Woodson gave 
Trace Jackson. 

512
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,500
Davis a reason to stick around 
and and you know you can say 

513
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:25,400
that he got lucky with Malik 
renew the committing because my 

514
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,400
quite Cited to go to Georgia but
Mike Woodson had to go recruit 

515
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,700
Malik renew. 
Get him to switch around and 

516
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:34,300
come to Indiana. 
Basically sight. 

517
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,900
Unseen. 
And that there's a lot of 

518
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:39,900
things. 
I think that Woodson is done 

519
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:43,400
thus far that look really 
promising and he look, I'll even

520
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,900
go back to last year when you're
talking about, doesn't take 

521
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:49,300
three or four years. 
Like, you know, the in the time 

522
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,600
that Archie, this is a not 
intending to turn this into like

523
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,500
an Archie bitch Fest I promise. 
But in the, in the time I'm that

524
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:03,100
Archie Miller was at IU. 
Indiana finished fourth in 

525
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:07,000
conference defense, his first 
year they finished ninth and 

526
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,500
Conference defense has second 
year. 

527
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:11,700
This is all like, inefficiency, 
they finished eighth and 

528
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:16,800
Conference defense in 2020. 
They finished 12th in conference

529
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,100
defense in 2021. 
And then last year in Mike, 

530
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,000
Woodson is first year they 
finished first in defense in the

531
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,000
conference like, For a defensive
coach to not get that far. 

532
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,600
You know, as one coach that's 
not necessarily a defensive 

533
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,400
coach who's never coached at the
college level 4 in 1 year, 

534
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400
there's something special going 
on there and I think the Alchemy

535
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,200
of personalities and recruits 
and getting guys to understand 

536
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,800
their roles. 
We saw some of the growing pains

537
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,400
with that last year and some of 
that was choices that have been 

538
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,000
made by the previous regime, in 
terms of what players they 

539
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,400
brought in. 
And we've talked a lot about 

540
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,800
this whole idea. 
Of you need to have confidence 

541
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,300
basketball players who are 
empowered on the basketball 

542
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:02,600
floor. 
But you also need to recruit the

543
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,400
right types of players because 
it's, it's hard to grow 

544
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,300
mentality. 
Like, to some degree, you have 

545
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:12,400
to recruit mentality and that, 
you know, if you want to, if you

546
00:28:12,408 --> 00:28:14,900
want a dichotomy of where the 
night air is started to go 

547
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:18,100
wrong, it was where the 
personality is getting 

548
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:19,700
recruited. 
Didn't match what needed to be 

549
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,100
done on the floor and then by 
the time they figured that out 

550
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,500
and started recruiting them 
properly, it was too late. 

551
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000
And I think, By and large. 
You look at all the successful 

552
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Indiana teams over the course of
time. 

553
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,900
And they've been filled with the
kinds of personalities that were

554
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:37,300
able to understand that they 
were part of a whole and that 

555
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:41,700
they needed, you know, and and 
wanted more to the point to give

556
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:44,700
maximal effort. 
And I do see the seeds of that 

557
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,700
in this team thus far. 
We'll see how it goes over the 

558
00:28:47,708 --> 00:28:50,000
course of these very difficult 
games that are coming up for 

559
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Indiana. 
But I do think Woodson, thus, 

560
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,400
far deserves a lot of credit for
in a very short period of time, 

561
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,600
Leary molding what we thought, 
Indiana basketball could be in 

562
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,700
this era and I'm, I just, I tip 
my cap to the whole staff for 

563
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:09,400
the way that they have managed 
to structure the approach of 

564
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,700
Indiana basketball and and how 
that's paying dividends thus far

565
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:18,600
on the court. 
Yep, the other two to one of the

566
00:29:18,608 --> 00:29:22,200
thing I do want to mention. 
So you've talked about this a 

567
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,300
little thank-you and I've kicked
around this idea a little bit 

568
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:29,600
like the I don't think that 
Jalen Hood Shafi. 

569
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,700
No is such a breath of fresh air
and that it's like this is a 

570
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,900
real five star who comes in and 
looks like a five-star and the 

571
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:40,000
only person I can the only 
player I can equate it to is 

572
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,800
Eric Gordon? 
Like I think back like you know 

573
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,300
Romeo Langford was very highly 
touted coming in. 

574
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200
He he was very efficient and 
very you know he was a good 

575
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,800
score but just didn't plug in 
and have that feel of it. 

576
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:57,900
It's just something. 
If you watch it a vassal, you 

577
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,900
can see like, you know, I go to 
Pacers games. 

578
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,400
You look at like, you know, 
matheran there rookie. 

579
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,000
It's just like that dude. 
Looks like an NBA player right 

580
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,400
now. 
He looks ready to play in the 

581
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,100
NBA, put your feet on. 
Looks like a player who's ready 

582
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,200
to just play college play one 
year. 

583
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,100
And you know, I think back to 
that again, not the Perfect 

584
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:19,600
Analogy but that 08 season, you 
know, K Samson's second season 

585
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
in his last season here. 
That was a team that had a 

586
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,600
similar makeup of like a nice 
little core. 

587
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,500
You had DJ white, the the really
good post player. 

588
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,700
You plug in an Eric Gordon type 
and and again I don't want to 

589
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,800
debate who's better? 
Eric Gordon who Jaffe. 

590
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,300
No but you plug in a high-level 
prospect. 

591
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,700
That team was rolling. 
But you we think back on that 

592
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,600
like a man they lost out to a 
brand-new a bus on Arkansas. 

593
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,700
It's like well that tea was 17 
in one on January 23rd. 

594
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,400
I mean, they still finished the 
season ranked 29th and Ken Palm.

595
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,000
They did kind of lose out. 
They fell apart. 

596
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,900
They lost their coach. 
There was a ton of stuff going 

597
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:55,800
on. 
You had an interim coach. 

598
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,100
That team at one point was still
24 and 4 on February 26th, 13 

599
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
and 2 in the Big 10 min that 
team. 

600
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:08,500
If you just magically move all 
of that texting Scandal to the 

601
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,700
to the offseason that team could
have made a final four. 

602
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,500
And so I think there's a lot of 
similarities here and there and 

603
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,900
I think that's, you know, we 
just haven't seen a player. 

604
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,700
This you know, college 
basketball ready. 

605
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,300
Honestly, I think since Eric 
Court. 

606
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,400
Well, I think you're right and 
they're very different types of 

607
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,900
players. 
I mean, you know Garrett Gordon 

608
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:35,600
came in and was was was already 
a top-level scorer and and I 

609
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,300
don't know that Jalen Hood 
Ruffino is that but Jalen 

610
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:42,200
atrophy know does have 
incredible Court vision and you 

611
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,600
know just has a presence about 
him that is going to be really 

612
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,000
fascinating his ability to work.
You know, inside the three-point

613
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,900
line is going to be fascinating 
cells and hit a three, which is 

614
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,700
kind of weird to think about 
because so many other people. 

615
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:58,500
Hit threes thus far, but he 
doesn't have to and that's the 

616
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,500
point and that's what I love. 
But yes, I think him and Malik 

617
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,900
renew the thing that stuck out 
to me. 

618
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:09,200
The most is how natural they 
look as college basketball 

619
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,900
players already. 
And this is not something that 

620
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:15,000
we've seen out of most IU 
players as they come in. 

621
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
I mean, I think you could make 
an argument that, you know, 

622
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,700
Trace tax and Davis came in and 
looked very similar. 

623
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:25,100
I mean, the guy was a top 
hundred player in the country. 

624
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,200
In offensive, efficiency. 
Mission see his freshman year. 

625
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:32,600
His his first games, he ever 
think he scored, he scored 8 

626
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,800
points his first game and then, 
and then he was in double 

627
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,900
figures for basically the next 
month. 

628
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:41,200
And that's probably the last guy
that we've seen that really 

629
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,700
looked completely capable of 
playing on a college basketball.

630
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:49,200
Court this early in there for in
his freshman year and you've got

631
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,800
two of them and look, I mean to 
some degree. 

632
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,600
This highlights how important 
recruiting connections are how 

633
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,400
Portent recruiting high level 
players. 

634
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,100
And I know it's not like duh, 
but I mean, it just, it feels 

635
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:06,300
like to some degree, whether it 
was Miller or crean, neither of 

636
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,900
them were capable of doing that 
consistently. 

637
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:13,600
Or when they would get players, 
they would struggle in key 

638
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,700
elements of playing at the 
college level and I think even 

639
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,200
Romeo and we go ahead. 
Go ahead like the the renew 

640
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,100
thing. 
I think, you know, I know you 

641
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:25,800
weren't saying this but to just 
be like well, you know, No, 

642
00:33:25,808 --> 00:33:28,000
what's it got lucky? 
It's like well luck is a 

643
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
combination of being prepared, 
an opportunity and this is 

644
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,500
something that you know, Tony 
mentioned on your last pot with 

645
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,600
him like these Academy of 
Montrose Academy, like this is 

646
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,100
where all the talent is. 
And so Mom wanted virgin not not

647
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:45,400
mocker, not Montrose and 
academies, but this that's like 

648
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400
that's where Hood should be. 
No was playing. 

649
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,500
And so, you're already working 
those connections. 

650
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,400
I don't just think it's, you 
know, he was probably talking to

651
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,500
renew like it. 
I think it's unfair to be like, 

652
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,400
he just Lucky. 
It's like this is these are the 

653
00:33:57,408 --> 00:34:00,700
places you need to be around and
T I think where you're going 

654
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,000
right for had erupted like 
that's where it felt like Miller

655
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,800
and Creed here. 
The end weren't quite in the 

656
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,300
right spots to be lucky to get 
those opportunities. 

657
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:10,600
You know, Woodson is in the 
right places talking to the 

658
00:34:10,607 --> 00:34:13,500
right people so that if and when
a my quite leaves like all 

659
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:15,300
right. 
Well this is where you know this

660
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:17,199
guy is here and he's working 
these guys this is the right guy

661
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,800
to be with sorry, go ahead. 
No you're good, you know and and

662
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,699
that is essentially the point. 
It's it's the idea that You 

663
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:29,000
know, there's a, there's a 
combination of you have to 

664
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,600
recruit to the moment and 
recruit for the long-term, 

665
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,500
you've also got to be able to 
work the portal, which obviously

666
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,100
would seem was able to do 
getting Xavier Johnson to come 

667
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,100
here. 
Yeah, there's a lot of those 

668
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,100
sorts of things, some of its 
opportunistic. 

669
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,400
It's a different world, but a 
lot of it is for the players 

670
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,100
that are coming up through the 
traditional manner of recruiting

671
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,800
and they're playing it at Mont 
verdure, they're playing it a 

672
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,500
top-level. 
A you even if you only get those

673
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:01,000
players for one season, being 
able to go out and be 

674
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
competitive to get those 
players, it's just not something

675
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,900
Indiana's. 
Been able to do that much over 

676
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,600
the course of the last decade. 
And I you it's not let IU has 

677
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,500
not had excellent players or 
hasn't had players that have 

678
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,800
panned out well at the college 
level but it's so much easier 

679
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,800
when you're able especially to 
get teammates who come in with a

680
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,900
relationship already who are 
physically capable and whose 

681
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:27,300
basketball skill set doesn't 
have to be Basically reset at 0 

682
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,100
as they're coming in zits like 
guys were you know, we're going 

683
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,100
to have to change the way that 
you fundamentally do X Y or Z 

684
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:36,100
and that that does feel like 
most of the Archie Miller era. 

685
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,400
Even I was where I was going 
with it before. 

686
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,400
We like even Romeo Langford, who
is clearly a very talented 

687
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,500
basketball player, really 
struggled with that transition 

688
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,400
to the college game and 
struggled with the system, he 

689
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,300
was in and he's similarly, 
struggled at the pro level. 

690
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,000
I, you know, and there's just to
some degree, I think. 

691
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,700
Woodson coming in with all of 
his experience dealing with NBA 

692
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:01,300
players and dealing with younger
prospects and trying to develop 

693
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:04,600
them over the course of time. 
Does give him some insights and 

694
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,500
he's got a dynamite recruiting 
staff that's able to go out and 

695
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:11,100
secure players so I'm really I'm
excited for the future but I'm 

696
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:15,400
specifically excited for this 
season because this is what it 

697
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000
can be. 
When you've got a combination of

698
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,200
guys that have been in the 
program for a while guys that 

699
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,000
come in with a lot of talent and
a system that encourages them. 

700
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,100
Them to play together, 
collaboratively. 

701
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:32,100
And and again we're getting way 
ahead of ourselves in terms of 

702
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,400
how we do how good this team 
actually is because we don't 

703
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,800
know, but I'm very excited about
the promise of it and that's 

704
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,300
what I'm hearing from. 
A lot of people across the board

705
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:44,000
is their level of excitement 
with what this team looks like 

706
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:48,000
and where it could go. 
Is really you know I'd say at 

707
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,300
this point if there was 
excitement coming into the 

708
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,400
season among the fan base that 
excitement level has like 

709
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,500
ratcheted up exponentially Over 
the course of this last couple 

710
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:59,700
of weeks the other. 
The other thing that I take away

711
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:03,400
from the first two games I was I
haven't, I've gone back to 2019,

712
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,100
I haven't gone back further on 
this, but for the most part 

713
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,400
since 2019 to today, to this 
season, we've started every 

714
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,800
season with kind of to too bad 
opponents for the most part. 

715
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,400
The and the one thing that you 
can really extrapolate is free 

716
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,500
throw shooting because that's 
just it doesn't matter what the 

717
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,600
opponent is free, throw 
shooting. 

718
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,500
Is a free throw in 2019. 
Our first two games we shot 55% 

719
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,100
from the free-throw line. 
We ended That season shooting 

720
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:38,700
65% so it was bad and bad 2020. 
We shot 71% in our first two 

721
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:40,800
games and of the Season around 
67. 

722
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,600
So it got a little bit worse. 
2021, we shot 60% in our first 

723
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,600
two games. 
Finished the season at 66 in 

724
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,400
2022, we shot 68 percent in our 
first two games, and finished 

725
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,400
the season right around 70 
percent. 

726
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,900
So it goes Up and down a little 
bit, but it's, you know, you can

727
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,700
kind of get a very good feel 
even just in two games against 

728
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,000
Bad opponents. 
Based on free, throw shooting, 

729
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,900
what your free throw shooting 
for the year, is going to be so 

730
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,100
far this season. 
You had. 

731
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,100
It's a little bit of a mix match
because you shot 57 percent in 

732
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,300
the first game. 95% in the 
second. 

733
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,800
But it still averages out to 76%
free-throw, shooting in the 

734
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,500
first two games. 
You know, that's the best we've 

735
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:24,900
had in the last five years. 
And, you know, we rarely broke. 

736
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,700
Seventy percent last year, you 
know, mid 60's, under most of 

737
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,100
the Archie era if we could just 
push that too. 

738
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,800
I'm not saying we have shoot 76,
77 percent from the free-throw 

739
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,700
line for the season. 
But if we can just push you to 

740
00:38:34,707 --> 00:38:39,900
72 or 73 percent, that's a huge 
difference that adds 3 to 4 

741
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:42,400
Points a game. 
It also changes the way that 

742
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,500
teams can play us where it's 
like it's not just we're just 

743
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:45,900
going to foul Trace Jackson 
Davis. 

744
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:49,700
I'd rather, you know, do that. 
So I do think that free throw 

745
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:52,500
shooting is something that you 
that's always a trouble, these 

746
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,100
early games, like, what can you 
really go? 

747
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,500
As Miller Capri, To be shooting,
you know, ninety percent from 

748
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,400
three against Big Ten opponents.
It's hard to say. 

749
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,200
But the free throw shooting, is 
the thing that I am. 

750
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,700
Very, very excited about, and, 
and nice to see that across two 

751
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:12,000
games, shooting above 70%. 
There's only so much that we can

752
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,200
say after two games. 
And so let's look briefly at the

753
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:23,700
next opponent, which is Xavier. 
This is interesting on a number 

754
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,300
of levels. 
I came over the last time, 

755
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,500
Indiana played at Xavier, I'm 
sure it's happened but I don't 

756
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,000
think it's happened in recent 
memory. 

757
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,700
This is a Gavotte game. 
It's been a part of that Big 

758
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,700
Ten, Big East Challenge and 
Indiana's, done pretty well in 

759
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:40,100
the Gavotte games, over the 
course of even these last 

760
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:44,900
several Years, they take on a 
Xavier Squad, that is peculiar. 

761
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,500
I think would be the best way to
put it. 

762
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,600
This is a Xavier team that last 
year started like gangbusters, 

763
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,500
you know, they, they beat Ohio 
State at home. 

764
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:57,500
They want at Oklahoma State, 
they were 11 and 1 at one point 

765
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:00,000
and their only loss was on a 
neutral Florida, Iowa State. 

766
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,100
And there's no shame in that. 
And they went from 11 in one, 

767
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,600
they only 17 games, the rest of 
the regular season, they lost in

768
00:40:08,607 --> 00:40:10,100
the first round of the Big East 
tournament. 

769
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:15,900
They ended up winning the NIT, 
which I think a lot of people 

770
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,900
forget about, but they end up 
making a change. 

771
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,200
At Coach Travis steel ends up 
getting fired. 

772
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,500
Now, he's at Miami of Ohio, they
go out and get Sean Miller. 

773
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600
That's a bold choice for a 
number of reasons. 

774
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,100
Not, the least of which is that 
Sean Miller had gotten run out 

775
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,300
of Arizona, due to suspicions of
recruiting violations just to 

776
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,900
put it. 
Kindly, so Miller who got his 

777
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,400
started. 
The head coach of Xavier, and A 

778
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,700
great run there, that included 
an Elite 8 and the sweet 16 in 

779
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:45,600
back-to-back years. 
And that was what propelled him 

780
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,400
to the Arizona job in 2010. 
He's back. 

781
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,400
And he is heading a team. 
That's got kind of an 

782
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,600
interesting combination of 
players. 

783
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,100
There's a lot of height on this 
team. 

784
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,500
You know, if you look at last 
year you know and what they were

785
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,600
able to do, they did lose their 
you know one of their highest 

786
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,400
usage players in pulse Scruggs 
but they It Jack nuns back, 

787
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,200
who's a 7-footer, they get Zach,
Fremantle back who took a 

788
00:41:15,207 --> 00:41:17,700
significant volume of shots. 
Actually took the most shots 

789
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:21,600
from to last year for them and 
and they get Colby Jones back as

790
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,000
well. 
Old friend from the IU program. 

791
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,200
Jerome Hunter is on this roster 
and it's a Xavier team that if 

792
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,800
you look at last year's to two 
sticks was fairly good 

793
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,800
offensively, like to get the 
ball up and down the floor was, 

794
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,700
you know, okay, defensively. 
It but not a top 50 team really 

795
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:46,300
struggled from outside. 
Only shot 32% from outside which

796
00:41:46,308 --> 00:41:50,300
was actually worse than Indiana 
and really makes most of their 

797
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,900
buckets and that so far. 
This trend has continued this 

798
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:56,100
far this year on assists on two 
pointers. 

799
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,300
You know, they really do Focus 
inside the arc thus far through 

800
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,000
two games. 
They've actually got a lower 

801
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,700
three-point shooting rate than 
Indiana does and while they've 

802
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,900
hit several other threes, 
they're just not taking that 

803
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:10,800
many. 
Any of them. 

804
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,700
So this is an interesting 
challenge for Indiana going on. 

805
00:42:13,707 --> 00:42:18,200
The road is always difficult. 
You know, Xavier has been a very

806
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,500
good program pretty much as long
as I can remember watching 

807
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:27,100
basketball, but this is also a 
Xavier team that has coming off 

808
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,100
a four-year stretch where they 
haven't made the NCAA tournament

809
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:31,700
at all. 
And while they've kind of poked 

810
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:35,200
around the NCAA tournament, they
weren't able to make it at all 

811
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,900
under Travis steel and that's 
why he's no longer there. 

812
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:44,400
So, you know, Scott Talk before 
the season about how Xavier was 

813
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:48,000
a program that represents an 
interesting measuring stick for 

814
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Indiana to play against early on
here that in the season the the 

815
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,400
having to go on the road up the 
difficulty level of bit. 

816
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,600
What are you expecting? 
I guess coming out of this gear 

817
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,300
going into this game. 
I love their play in this game. 

818
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:02,900
You know I know this is part of 
the Gavotte games. 

819
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,900
I really hope that we can bring 
series like this back because I 

820
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:09,900
think back to like when you did 
your podcast with the Hoops, 

821
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,200
guys. 
Like, chronicling. 

822
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,500
I think the 92 or 93 IU 
basketball season as you go 

823
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,900
through it. 
It's like we're playing Xavier 

824
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:18,000
playing Cincinnati. 
It's like, this was one of the 

825
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000
things that is forgotten a, not 
brought up all the time. 

826
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,700
With the night era is like he 
just did such a great job of 

827
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,100
playing Regional opponents where
fans could go to games. 

828
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:30,200
And again, I know this is a 
Gavotte game but I hope we 

829
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,900
continue to play gate but my 
pitch is we continue to play 

830
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:36,500
games like this because there's 
a lot of good level opponents 

831
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:39,700
within a two to three hour 
driving distance of Bloomington 

832
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,500
that. 
You continue playing that said 

833
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:46,000
you know I look at this would be
as I said before it will be a 

834
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,800
really nice game to win because 
if you win this you kind of run 

835
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,100
into the North Carolina game, 
where expectation, that could 

836
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,200
make a special night even more 
special. 

837
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,200
We're both teams. 
Could theoretically be 

838
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
undefeated. 
You could have a matchup of two 

839
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,300
Top, Ten teams North Carolina 
being one. 

840
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,900
But I'm going to be curious to 
see, you know, if some of the 

841
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:10,900
things that we've talked about 
are born out, you know, if If we

842
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,600
see players, get rattled, you 
know, if some of the younger 

843
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,000
players does a hood Shafi, know,
look rattled in his first road 

844
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,900
game. 
And if he does, are we able to 

845
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,000
use that death? 
We talked about to kind of 

846
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,300
solve, it does save your Johnson
able to study ship. 

847
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:26,000
Do you guys like, you know, 
renew and the Cioppino not look 

848
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,300
rattled which would be even 
better, you know, how does it 

849
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,900
play out? 
How does a team that is almost a

850
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:34,500
better Coach with a little more 
resources? 

851
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:37,300
A little more capable? 
How do they, how do they 

852
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,200
structure their defense against 
this Indiana team? 

853
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,200
I'd be very interested. 
Do they do they pack the post 

854
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,300
and your dearest to shoot from 
three? 

855
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:47,000
Do they have they seen on film 
that? 

856
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,600
They're nervous about our guard 
play? 

857
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,500
I'm curious about all of those 
things. 

858
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:54,100
I think something that you've 
talked about to that, you know, 

859
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:57,300
there's this bucket of games 
like this game, North Carolina, 

860
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:01,500
Arizona, Kansas. 
I think it would be really nice 

861
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:05,000
to win one or two of those for a
variety of different reasons for

862
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,500
each one. 
I still think you could lose all

863
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:10,000
four of those and not be like, 
oh my God, the sky. 

864
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,400
Guy is following your. 
Oh my gosh. 

865
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,100
This team doesn't have the top 
top level ability. 

866
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:18,000
We thought I think that based on
when they come and how we play 

867
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,300
them, it's possible. 
You go. 

868
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,300
Oh, and for in those games, we 
could still have a great season 

869
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:23,500
still win the big tent. 
It just depends on how it 

870
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,900
happens. 
But those are the things I'm 

871
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:28,000
interested to see. 
It's kind of, I really like this

872
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
game. 
I really like it on the road. 

873
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,100
It's very much like a I'm 
really, you know, it's like bad 

874
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,700
analogy. 
But like I got a drone a couple 

875
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,800
of years ago and it's like I 
just couldn't wait to take it 

876
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,100
out only when we took a trip to 
Tennessee. 

877
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:43,200
The to Gatlinburg, to go to the 
Smoky Mountains and I could not 

878
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,600
wait to take the Drone out to 
like real mountains and really 

879
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000
you play with it with my stuff. 
And like, that's why I feel like

880
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,200
this is how you basketball team.
I'm very excited to take it on 

881
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600
the road. 
Take it against a real opponent,

882
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,900
see what we do. 
And I don't want to get too 

883
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,000
high, but if they play really 
well and they're able to, you 

884
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,500
know, have a nice solid win 
against Xavier, I do think at 

885
00:46:00,508 --> 00:46:03,300
that point, we might need to be 
like alright let's I could see 

886
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:07,700
expectations almost going out of
control after that game but 

887
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,000
those are the things that I'm 
looking for in this. 

888
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,500
Game. 
I'm also curious, I want to know

889
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,200
what you're looking for, but I 
know you're looking to go to 

890
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,900
that game. 
Have you been to the Cintas 

891
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,700
Center before? 
I've not know this is one of the

892
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:22,800
reasons I'm gonna, I wasn't 
planning on going, the ticket 

893
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,800
prices dropped a bit and I was 
going to give this a shot. 

894
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,200
It's a six pm game on a Friday. 
And so it's like it's 

895
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,900
reasonable. 
It's not too far of a drive from

896
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:34,600
Bloomington. 
So I'm I'm always fascinated to 

897
00:46:34,607 --> 00:46:36,900
go into somebody else's Arena. 
I was there last year for 

898
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:40,000
Syracuse that was interesting to
see as well. 

899
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,100
And so yeah, it should be an 
interesting experience. 

900
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:45,900
So, we'll see what happens. 
Anyway. 

901
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,600
So yeah, I Echo everything, you 
said, and just to wrap things up

902
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,400
real quick here. 
I guess, you know, I'm very 

903
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,600
interested in seeing how 
Indiana's offensive approach in 

904
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,800
general travels. 
This is an interesting game 

905
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
because I think they're going to
have to use the perimeter a bit 

906
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,000
more because of the size that 
Xavier has on the inside. 

907
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,900
And, you know, the, you know, I 
think Tres Jackson Davis has 

908
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:15,400
proven inability to score 
against Too much, any type of 

909
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,400
player, so that will be 
fascinating to watch, you know, 

910
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,300
you look at what Xavier was able
to do last year and, you know, 

911
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:28,500
they really did a good job of 
holding opponents under 50% from

912
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,400
to. 
They did a really good job of 

913
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,300
defending the perimeter. 
You know, it's early in the 

914
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,000
season but they've done an even 
better job of Defending from to 

915
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,600
so far this year. 
And on this really curious to 

916
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,600
see. 
Okay? 

917
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,900
We've seen Indiana in a 
controlled environment. 

918
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,500
They've Gotten off to kind of 
slow starts in both games. 

919
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:50,400
That really can't be the case. 
So does the first unit go out 

920
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,600
and really put their foot on the
gas to start with and is this a 

921
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,400
game where Miller cops ability 
to hit from Deep? 

922
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,100
You know sustains and where we 
see some of the other pieces for

923
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:06,300
Indiana, able to pull the 
defense back out a little bit to

924
00:48:06,308 --> 00:48:10,000
give space for Trace Jackson 
Davis to operate on the inside. 

925
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,600
So, I mean, all the things that 
you said, plus that I'm really 

926
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,500
just With a lot of different 
elements of this game and I 

927
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:21,100
think it'll be a good test. 
It's not an overwhelming test to

928
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,700
start the season. 
It is still a test though. 

929
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,700
And I think that this is the 
type of, you know, a fire that 

930
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:31,800
can help to forge this Indiana 
team's mentality and give them a

931
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,700
reality check after what was a 
pretty good week to start the 

932
00:48:35,707 --> 00:48:39,200
season of where they're actually
at and what the barometer is and

933
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,800
the things that they're going to
have to do for a full 40 

934
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,900
minutes, in order to be 
competitive at the level that 

935
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:45,900
this team. 
Seems to want to be competitive 

936
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,200
over the course of the season. 
So, yep. 

937
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,100
Anyway, that'll wrap it up for 
us. 

938
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:52,900
We'll be back with more content,
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939
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,000
throughout the course of the 
upcoming week. 

940
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,300
Busy Thanksgiving period for 
both as a get bucket games, 

941
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:02,900
we've got IU basketball, you got
that lead into the North 

942
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:05,800
Carolina game. 
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943
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,500
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944
00:49:08,508 --> 00:49:12,200
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945
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,000
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946
00:49:14,008 --> 00:49:15,400
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947
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:15,400
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