1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,500 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:20,600 field apparel. Hey hey, welcome back, who's 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,800 your nation. It is the 13th of May of twenty 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,500 twenty-three. This is Crimson cast, we're back 5 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,800 after a bit of a Hiatus, Scott Gail. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,800 Ellen, joining you again here and we're happy to be talking to 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,400 you Scott yesterday. Very, very, very good day to be 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,700 a Hoosier before we get started with the bulk things. 9 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:43,500 Congratulations to IU softball. They make it to the Big Ten 10 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:45,900 title game, that's gonna be played a little later on today, 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,400 on Saturday. And I, you baseball, just 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,000 pulverize has Purdue in the first game of the series down 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,900 here at the BART. 22 10:34. I think was the final run total 14 00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:01,300 which I mean there. And I you football games where 15 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:05,600 they didn't score 26 points. So big hats off to both of those 16 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:10,000 but of course, the big news yesterday and the one I think 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 that was kind of a seismic shock, not just through the IU 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,200 fan base, but perhaps around college, basketball as well. 19 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,000 Five-star recruit Mackenzie mcvaugh KO who had been 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 committed to Duke and then you know, if you listen to the 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,500 internet was already committed to Kansas like was already like 22 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:32,400 boating with Bill self in the Summertime instead releases an 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,300 Instagram and announces that he's coming to Indiana 24 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:38,400 University to play for Mike Woodson and the Hoosiers Scott. 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,000 We're going to dive into that. First of all, great to see you. 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,100 How you doing? I'm doing great. 27 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:47,200 All right, you ready for this? Yeah, Mackenzie ombak to know 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,200 that was. No, that's not right. 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,100 No, we're off to a terrible start here. 30 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:56,000 Easy boy. Mackenzie I think maybe you just 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,800 go with that. Lets just think that's an easier 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,300 thing to go along with Mac, double double Mac. 33 00:02:01,300 --> 00:02:04,900 No, this is, yeah, yeah, it's good to see M squared, perhaps, 34 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:08,500 for you and spared like that, but I think for everybody's for 35 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:10,699 everybody's safety, I think that might be best. 36 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:13,000 But yeah. So is everybody else gets like, 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,300 you know, the full magazine I just get highlights, right? 38 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:16,900 I just get the Highlights. Yeah. 39 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:18,400 Yeah. You, you get the cover of the 40 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,600 magazine. You don't actually open it up. 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,900 But anyway, but no Scott. This is exciting times. 42 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:28,300 And before we dive into the the bulk of the show just reminder 43 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:29,800 that we are part of the back home. 44 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:33,100 Work, which includes a variety of shows, including the assembly 45 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:36,300 call, who had a live hot off the presses. 46 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:39,700 Emergency podcast yesterday. That I could not attend because 47 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:42,900 I was having a pre-planned to dinner with some people, in my 48 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:44,900 neighborhood. 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Announcement has been it's like, 71 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,400 wow, this is amazing and then I don't know what to do with my 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,600 hands, you know, it's like this is Just different kind of 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,900 strata. I feel like for IU in terms of 74 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:06,000 where they've been recently and it's not like Indiana hasn't 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,300 pulled in 5-star recruits. But a to get a guy that was 76 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:12,200 committed to Duke, who's a clear? 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,200 Five star who had Kansas on his list and and then to actually be 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,899 able to pull that guy, it just feels like all of a sudden, 79 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:24,100 Indiana broke through a glass ceiling of sorts in terms of 80 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:26,700 where the program had been. Because, you know, I mean, yes, 81 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:29,500 they've Cody Zeller. I think was actually, he wasn't 82 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:32,700 Maybe Technically a five-star. He was a borderline, you know, 83 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:35,800 but he was also from right down the road Romeo Langford was 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,300 deciding between Indiana and Kansas was a five-star. 85 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:40,900 You know, he's also looking at I think maybe North Carolina, but 86 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:43,700 he was literally, there's maybe Duke, but he was literally right 87 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:46,600 down the road. This is a guy from New Jersey. 88 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,900 I think maybe I think, I think our friend IU artifacts told me 89 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:52,100 this is only the second New Jersey recruit Indiana's ever 90 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:53,200 had. And I think the first one was 91 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Jordan Geronimo. Like, yes, you got Jalen atrophy 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,400 know last year and that felt like Cool occurrence but it's 93 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,900 like that felt like an anachronism. 94 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,400 Like that's not something that Indiana normally does. 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,500 Mike Woodson now has managed to pull multiple five-star recruits 96 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:16,300 really like modern athletic basketball players into the fold 97 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:18,200 here in Indiana. You throw in calel where who's a 98 00:05:18,207 --> 00:05:22,700 transfer, but he fits that same kind of mold and you know we'll 99 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:25,800 talk about the individual player here but I think overall program 100 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,800 wise Scott this just feels like a different playground than 101 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,500 we've been invited to. In the past, a hundred percent. 102 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:36,100 So I'm going to text thread with two friends, shout out to Robert 103 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:38,300 and been Robert is who I've mentioned. 104 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:41,200 Many times the Michigan State fan neighbor, but we have a kind 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,900 of a fun, basketball, text thread and as mckinsey's got 106 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:48,300 down to the last two, I kind of sent out a screen shot of him 107 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:51,300 like you Kansas Indiana and he comes back very valid. 108 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:53,900 Like I thought you didn't care about recruiting him, like, like 109 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:55,300 had all these, like, screenshots of things. 110 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:57,000 I've talked about, like, when he's talking about all the 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,700 Michigan State five stars they got and I'm like, yeah. 112 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,300 But now, we're getting five stars, but it's like, now I 113 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:04,300 care. Now, again, I still not into 114 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:06,900 like, the Deep recruiting. But yeah, once once five stars 115 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,400 get down to two schools and Indiana is one of them I'm 100% 116 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,100 in. No, I agree that it does feel 117 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:14,800 like we've broken through something. 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,800 You know what, I will reference something I did list. 119 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,900 I was not able to make the assembly call, emergency pot 120 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:24,000 either, but I listened to it and they reference something, which 121 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,500 I think is interesting that, you know, Woodson has kind of The 122 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,600 Narrative is he kind of sees himself as a closer and you 123 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,400 know, maybe that doesn't work as well in the longer, you know, 124 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,800 three-year recruiting cycle. But it definitely seems to be 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,900 working in these shorter windows. 126 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,100 And, you know, it's like and you know the thought may go to some 127 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:47,500 IU fans like well man, why can't you do? 128 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:50,500 The it's like we haven't had a coach do one thing well, in 129 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:52,900 recruiting in a while. So like having him be really 130 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:56,200 good at, this is great. And you know, exactly what you 131 00:06:56,207 --> 00:06:57,700 mentioned. This is a guy who decommitted 132 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:02,400 from duke who was Looking at Kansas and we won that battle. 133 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,100 Like we haven't been in those you know we've been kind of 134 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:09,200 peripherally in those battles where it's a guy names like 13 135 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,800 schools and Indiana's, one of them, and then they narrow it 136 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,100 down and we're not there. Like we were not going 137 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:16,900 head-to-head with Duke, but we're going head-to-head with 138 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:19,600 Kansas and Rick Pitino at st. John's right? 139 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:20,800 Yes, st. John's yes. 140 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,200 Who also is like he's well like, so. 141 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:26,000 There is something going on here. 142 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,700 I think also it needs to be mentioned that, you know, this 143 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:32,700 is I think the third year in a row that we've had a five star D 144 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:36,800 commit at another school in commit here with Tamar Bates and 145 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,400 then Malik renew and now Mackenzie, and, you know, 146 00:07:40,407 --> 00:07:43,200 that's, that's really good. You know, this is where you 147 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,400 start stacking 5 stars on 5 Stars, good things happen. 148 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,400 You know, we'll talk about you know again I'm not saying his 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,800 last name. I'll get there by, you know, 150 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,500 probably November December but you know, Of 25 and 26 and we'll 151 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:58,000 see on. See how see how good he is. 152 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,700 He's got a score, if he wants pronunciation, respect, you know 153 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:05,000 it, you know five stars. Don't automatically mean, you're 154 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,100 going to win a National Title like Romeo Langford, I think 155 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:09,600 it's still the highest rate of recruit we ever got that didn't 156 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,200 pan out how people wanted. But part of the problem was 157 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,600 there wasn't a lot of other five star Talent on that team. 158 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,400 You know, this is how you build a program is you start stacking 159 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,300 these, these things up, some five stars will be fantastic. 160 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:25,600 Some will be Okay. But, you know, you get enough 161 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,100 and you're going to be doing well in this is, you know, 162 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:31,900 probably the best stretch of, you know, I've not I'm thinking 163 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:33,799 of this as I'm saying this, I probably should have done a 164 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,100 little bit of research but you know, when you count all of the, 165 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:40,299 you know, five stars and high-level recruits and 166 00:08:40,299 --> 00:08:42,600 transfers that we're getting in this last three year. 167 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,000 Period, I'm not sure when we've had such a nice little run in 168 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,400 recruiting. I mean cream built that team. 169 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,700 But it's like you know like you said Zeller was like right on 170 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:54,700 that border like oh The depot was a not. 171 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,300 He was a three-star who grew into something. 172 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:59,200 I think you know, Watford, Maurice Creek is probably the 173 00:08:59,208 --> 00:09:01,000 highest rate of recruit whatever is pretty rated. 174 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,700 Highly like Jordan holes was not like that those were all really 175 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:06,300 good players but not a lot of great recruits. 176 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,800 And again the last thing I'll say is you don't you know you 177 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,900 don't have to have all five stars to win the title. 178 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:13,700 Like look at this year's tournament Kansas state. 179 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:16,900 Did it with a couple you Lowell or Newell guys would get our 180 00:09:16,900 --> 00:09:19,100 transfers that you know from from smaller schools at Penn 181 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:21,000 State is a great example of a great season. 182 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:26,700 All of that said, Often than not having a lot of like Kansas has 183 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:29,800 done really well over time. Duke and North Carolina done 184 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,400 really well because they just load up with tons of talent. 185 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,600 So there's multiple ways to win. But this is a very, very high 186 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,600 likelihood way to get a lot of wins. 187 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,500 Yeah, I mean so there's a couple elements there. 188 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:50,900 One of them is this idea that IU is tapping into Talent channels 189 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:53,300 that it just hasn't had up to this point? 190 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,800 Point. And you know so much of what you 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,700 saw /, really? I mean you could really go all 192 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:03,300 the way back to the late 80s. Well you know where Indiana kind 193 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:07,700 of stopped being a primary destination for the highest 194 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:11,700 level of athletic Talent the guys who were likely to go to 195 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:16,500 the NBA very quickly after or maybe even skip, you know and 196 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:19,300 just go straight to the NBA when that was still the rule. 197 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:24,500 I think about what kind of win like Will started getting out of 198 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:26,800 their Geographic territory. Well, that means was well good 199 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,600 in that area. It was targeting everyone. 200 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,300 The Midwest, it was partially that but it was also, you know, 201 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:36,100 I you kind of got left behind as college basketball changed, its 202 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:40,400 approach to playing the game and and you really saw l.a. l.a. 203 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,000 gears on a good shooter who wants to have well a lot. 204 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,500 And so and I honestly kind of came a little bit later because 205 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:47,900 it wasn't just talent. And one of the things that I 206 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:50,900 think is important about this, it's not just that high level 207 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,400 Talent from a ratings for spect is being criticized. 208 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,800 You point out, I use gotten some highly rated guys before that 209 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,800 haven't really equated to anything, but there's a 210 00:10:59,808 --> 00:11:01,900 development aspect to it as well. 211 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,200 And this is where Mike Woodson in a very short period of time 212 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,500 has managed to create a reputation for himself and his 213 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:13,200 program that hey, not only will I get you to the draft, if you 214 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,700 come here as a highly regarded recruit, but, even if you 215 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:19,600 weren't at highly-regarded, I can get you closer than when you 216 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,200 when I first got my hands on you, trace Jackson, Davis being 217 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,400 a good example. I mean, You know, that's a guy 218 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,000 who I don't know, if he's going to get drafted, you know, he 219 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,800 probably will seem like his draft stock had gone up to the 220 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,900 point. Maybe he's a, you know, a high 221 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:36,200 second-round pick, but for a guy with a relatively limited 222 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,600 offensive skill set, you know, more than 8 feet away from the 223 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,800 basket. Mike, Woodson did a tremendous 224 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,300 amount with him to develop his game. 225 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,100 Jalen Hurd, Shaheen. Oh yes, he didn't have a perfect 226 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:50,100 freshman year but he did more than enough and Woodson put in 227 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,400 enough situations to succeed, that he is going to be a border. 228 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:58,100 Online Lottery top 20 Prospect in the NBA draft and that 229 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:00,400 matters to people. And that's what Indiana really 230 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,700 hasn't had. I mean, you know, yes, Romeo 231 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:05,600 Langford got drafted, but you could argue, he went backwards 232 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,000 in terms of his draft stock between the time. 233 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,100 He got to IU in the time that he got drafted and Woodson's NBA 234 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,100 connections. I mean you know Carmelo 235 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,000 Anthony's getting involved in the recruitment. 236 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,300 As we saw from one of the stories you know from this from 237 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:23,400 this particular commitment, you're starting to see. 238 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,400 Comments from people about Woodson, being the type of 239 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,300 person that they want to go play for and the kind of guy who 240 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:35,600 will, you know, be a real human being, but will also push you. 241 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,900 And that's kind of what Trace Jackson. 242 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:40,200 Davis has animated in a bunch of his postseason press conferences 243 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,900 as well. That environment is to a large 244 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:46,800 degree, something that Indiana's missed. 245 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,500 Yes, they've had guys that are developed and have gotten 246 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:53,400 drafted, but it's always felt like an accident or a nice. 247 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:56,200 Bonus as opposed to the way the program does business. 248 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,200 And I feel like in a very short period of time. 249 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,200 Now, Mike Woodson's managed to put his own stamp on the 250 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,500 program. And it's it's weird because I 251 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:08,300 think this you know, it's hard to give like a huge amount of 252 00:13:08,308 --> 00:13:12,000 credit for not for like okay, Scott Dolson couldn't have seen 253 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,300 all of this coming per se because who could have 254 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:17,000 predicted, that college basketball would have been at a 255 00:13:17,008 --> 00:13:19,700 point where you've got the transfer portal where you've got 256 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:23,800 all this player movement. But you have to give Golson some 257 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,900 credit because Woodson as a coach with what he brings to the 258 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:32,900 table and what he's been able to do already has kind of defied. 259 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:35,700 What a lot of the initial expectations were in that. 260 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:39,200 It's not just a paycheck, caching situation for an xn. 261 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,500 Be a guy like we'll see you in a lot of situations but instead 262 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,700 someone who's molding a Blueblood College basketball 263 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:50,300 program back into what it could be in an era where a different 264 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:52,200 type of cogent, a different type of approaches. 265 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:55,000 Needed from kind of what Indiana has been able to have over the 266 00:13:55,008 --> 00:13:59,100 last 20 to 25 years. What I also really like about 267 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:02,400 this is and we don't know how these things were going and you 268 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,000 know when guys announced versus when they make their decisions 269 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,700 and all those things but you know just from what we know, you 270 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:14,200 know I don't think Mackenzie had even decommitted when we were 271 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,000 talking to Chris Ludlum. Like again to the point of how 272 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,200 how fluid these things are. But you know, we go after Chris 273 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,100 LED l'm, he signs with Tennessee. 274 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,500 And you know, I do have to give Woodson the entire program 275 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:28,200 credit of not being like Oh should we gotta just sign three 276 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,500 more guys? It was like getting to know just 277 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:30,400 getting like who the next week guys? 278 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,200 Before we'll get him get him, get him get him which feels like 279 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,500 what you know like cream might have done it did seem like there 280 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:37,500 was kind of a measured response now getting, maybe they were 281 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,900 already talking to McKinsey. They knew that was, you know, we 282 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:42,900 don't know. But it did have a very kind of 283 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:45,600 cool calm approach, like, hey, man, we're good, like we're, you 284 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,500 know, we will, there will be somebody good and better, not 285 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:50,600 just. All right, we struck out on two 286 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,100 of our dues. We now need just get Ever we can 287 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:56,600 before this portal closes and I really like that patients. 288 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,700 And again, looking at it from kind of a high-level view of 289 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,100 we're not just going to grab any piece that's available. 290 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:04,900 Like we're going to wait for the right piece, even if that means 291 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:07,500 getting really close to the end of the shot clock so to speak. 292 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,700 Yeah. And I mean the the last kind of 293 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:14,700 overarching thing I'll say on this is we tried to talk about 294 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:18,600 this last time when we were discussing what was going on 295 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,100 with the portal. And, you know, we at that I 296 00:15:20,108 --> 00:15:22,800 don't think with the last time we podcasted the Adlam news had 297 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,000 come down or the the the news on the other player whose name, 298 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,500 I've already forgotten had come down right. 299 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:31,200 But but there was an immediate, it's like ex-girlfriends the 300 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,700 right with you. There was a real Panic among the 301 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:40,800 fan base again, and there are certain corners of the eye, you 302 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,300 online experience that seemed to really just relish the thought 303 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,700 that Mike Woodson doesn't know what he's doing or that the 304 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:51,700 program and they athletic department is going in the wrong 305 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,500 direction. And they're not doing what they 306 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:58,600 should be doing and every perceived failure is Amplified 307 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,600 to a ridiculous extreme and you know my perspective on it has 308 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,900 been okay maybe they maybe they did fail we don't know. 309 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:11,100 There's so much going on behind the scenes in the portal and 310 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,600 with recruiting that we just don't know about as fanzi. 311 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,000 And and look a lot of journalists or people that 312 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,200 report on teams will claim that they know things. 313 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,000 And a lot of that is what coaches are. 314 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,500 Telling them, or assistant. Coaches are telling them or 315 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:27,000 people connected to programs because they're trying to put 316 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,400 particular types of information out or not. 317 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,200 As the case may be, you really is a fan have to accept to some 318 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,400 degree that despite what you might think, you don't really 319 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,900 know what's going on behind the scenes with a lot of these 320 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:42,200 recruitments. And as you said, like this was a 321 00:16:42,208 --> 00:16:46,300 relatively late pop, it took some happenstance, Kyle Philip 322 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:50,500 house key doesn't come announce that he's coming back and you 323 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:52,100 know you're probably not seeing this. 324 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:56,000 Our be available for Indiana in the first place but that's where 325 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:59,800 it's a lot more flexible and a lot more of a malleable 326 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,200 situation than just oh we lost that player. 327 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,800 Therefore we're screwed, which is how a lot of people seem to 328 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,000 be evaluating this and the message I put out on Twitter 329 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,700 yesterday. It's like if you're an IU fan 330 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:13,000 why don't we just say, you know what? 331 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,800 I think Mike Woodson and his staff know what they're doing. 332 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,000 I mean this is a as much as there was criticism all last 333 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,300 year. It's a team that finished with a 334 00:17:21,308 --> 00:17:22,599 top four. Feed. 335 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,800 You know, finished within spitting distance of you know, 336 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,200 the top of the Big Ten and beat Purdue twice and did a bunch of 337 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,800 things that people have been asking for, and it felt like for 338 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,200 a lot of people that still wasn't enough. 339 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,500 It's like, well, I have to criticize this or criticize that 340 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:40,400 and the recruiting piece and the piecing the roster together 341 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,300 piece is another part of that, where it's like, well, you 342 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:44,600 didn't get this player, why don't I have any guards and out 343 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,300 of that and it's like well, hey guess what? 344 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:50,600 Have a 68, you know, small forward power forward with 345 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,600 three-point range. Is already projected to be a 346 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,200 first round pick in the NBA draft. 347 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,700 These things. I understand where people are 348 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:02,100 are snake bitten by the past but I really think if you're going 349 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:07,300 to be a good Steward of your eye, you fandom, you got to look 350 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:09,700 at what this coaching staffs done in a relatively short 351 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:13,000 period of time and say, these guys seem to be Pros, they seem 352 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,500 to be know what they're doing, knowing what they're doing. 353 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,000 Let's give them room to operate. And I think this is a good 354 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,600 example, as to why, well, if you take that out again, like, you 355 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,700 look at our Are you know, I don't want to start playing the 356 00:18:23,708 --> 00:18:26,600 starting five game but I'll just I think I can figure four of the 357 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,500 starting five. It's like how many years would I 358 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,200 have wanted to go into any neiu fan wanted to go into a season 359 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,000 just knowing this, you know, you're starting five at point 360 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,100 guard, you're going to have a, you know, an ultimate senior, 361 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,000 who is, you know, it all big, 10, caliber player. 362 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:44,400 I think it's if you know, first or second team all-big, ten 363 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,000 caliber player and then in three of the other spots are all going 364 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,700 to be five star guys. And I'm not talking like, you 365 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:53,400 know, five star guys that were Goodbye other Blueblood 366 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,100 five-star programs like how many years already? 367 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:58,900 Like I love, we just had a five star. 368 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,600 It's like now you know you three of your starters could very well 369 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,200 be all five-star recruits and you and you have an all big ten 370 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,100 point guard. Yeah. 371 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:08,200 Like that. Like how many years like I would 372 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,300 have loved to have had like, we have that right? 373 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:12,800 I do get some of the angst at the end of last year because 374 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,400 like it felt like it was a we're losing a lot of guys which we 375 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,400 did. We were losing, you know, a 376 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,800 generational player and Trace Jackson Davis and was kind of 377 00:19:19,808 --> 00:19:23,700 like, wow, there's what's going to be there but But you know, in 378 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,700 part of it may just be from fans, you know, having years 379 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:30,100 where we didn't, we weren't able to reload, but this is a new 380 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:33,700 Administration and this is a new coaching staff and they seem to 381 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:36,800 be able to reload it. And again, I go back to the idea 382 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,900 of, you know. Yeah, maybe and again, give 383 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:42,900 Woodson some time on some of these 34-year recruits like, you 384 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:45,300 know, people are kind of hammering him and I don't want 385 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,900 to turn this into like, you know, a kiss-ass rodeo but it's 386 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:49,600 like, oh, you know. But yeah, everyone's hammering 387 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,000 on the 2023 class, like dude, he's only been there for eight. 388 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,000 Months, like he missed the beginning part of those 389 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,800 recruiting cycles and like he's showing that when the time is 390 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,100 short, he's able to kind of focus and get it done. 391 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:05,100 And in 2024 2025, we may see better recruits coming in 392 00:20:05,108 --> 00:20:07,100 because he's had that time to build that relationship. 393 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:11,100 Like, obviously, he can build those relationships and the 394 00:20:11,108 --> 00:20:13,700 players respond to it. Well, no, I think it's all 395 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:16,100 really good and now, you know, you think about it. 396 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:20,100 Now, you've got a five-star in McDowell coming in and you've 397 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:23,600 got four stars and Gabe cups and Jukai Newton coming in and then 398 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,100 you've already got on the roster Khalil where ours, who's a 399 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:30,600 five-star you've got renew, who was a borderline, you've got 400 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,600 Caleb Banks, who was a promising for Star. 401 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,200 You've got CJ gun, who was a for? 402 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,400 I believe a four-star. And then you've got this depth 403 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:40,000 among your seniors. As you mentioned, either 60 or 404 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,900 starting point guard, which is a tremendous luxury to have in 405 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:45,400 anywhere. You've got, you brought in this 406 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,100 kind of utility knife and Anthony Walker from Miami. 407 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,900 You've got another utility knife in the post in pain. and Sparks 408 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,900 you've got tray Galloway who could just end up being your 409 00:20:55,900 --> 00:21:00,800 starting to because now I mean, you think about this if Baco can 410 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,100 actually Shoot and score. And that, you know, that's kind 411 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:07,300 of the best part of his game is, he's shooting ability. 412 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,600 He averaged, I think something like 16 and a half points, a 413 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,800 game and 7.6 rebounds per game, he was on the Nike ybl circuit, 414 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,800 you know, he he had 22 points and eight rebounds, in the Nike 415 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,800 hoop Summit, he's not a perfect Prospect, that's why he's not 416 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,800 like a top-five guy. Because, I mean, he's a little 417 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,600 from what you've read. I mean, Jack Ankeny from the SI 418 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,900 Indiana imprints talking about. He's a little bit stiff 419 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,600 athletically, that's something that can be, Be worked out. 420 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,000 He could use some time in the weight room but now you don't 421 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,500 need necessarily tray Galloway to be anything other than like 422 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:41,600 your number five offensive option. 423 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:45,700 If you're starting, we're at the five renu-it, the 4mc Baco at 424 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,800 the three and Johnson at the one. 425 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,700 It's like, well, gosh, if you had a fifth offensive option, 426 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:53,600 who could shoot 46 percent, or 45 percent and three 427 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 occasionally and play good defense and you've got some 428 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,100 backup. You still need, I think another 429 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:00,100 guard. It'd be nice to pick up one more 430 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:03,200 guard. But if CJ gun Develops over the 431 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,700 offseason suddenly your roster looks really, really nice and 432 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,300 really complete. That's this is where I think 433 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,400 going back to something that you said, a lot of the criticism, I 434 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,500 understand where it comes from, but God's college, basketball 435 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:19,800 has changed so much in the last two years. 436 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,700 I mean, this is a guy who Indiana, I don't think was on 437 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:26,300 the radar for at all, maybe a little bit in the initial 438 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:28,200 recruitment, but guy goes to Duke. 439 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,800 That's not the strata Indiana isn't pulling in, but the fact 440 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,600 that you're going to get Get D commits, you're going to get 441 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,400 guys, transferring that you're not expecting. 442 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,300 There are three or four guys that hopped in the portal. 443 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:40,300 Including I think a kid from Marshall that Indiana is looking 444 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:43,600 at who's a guard. You have to be able to Pivot 445 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,700 very quickly and say, alright, I realized we have to fill this 446 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:52,500 hole and suddenly these guys are available and then we even saw 447 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:55,100 like when Ludlum committed to Tennessee. 448 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,600 Now, there's a guy in the portal from Tennessee who if Indiana 449 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,400 hadn't gotten big Bako, might have been able to go after that 450 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,300 guy. And it would have been a really 451 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:05,200 good fit, so, I think ultimately as we've talked about many times 452 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,200 on this show, you almost have to unplug what you think college 453 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,100 basketball works like, from where things are right now 454 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,500 because it's a very different world. 455 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:18,500 And weirdly this staff with Woodson leading, it feels really 456 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,700 well equipped to handle the constant fluctuation. 457 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:26,300 And I'd like to note like yes, you lose Jordan Geronimo and 458 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:28,400 it's a shame Geronimo, didn't work out as a player. 459 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,800 But, you know, outside of people leaving because Our eligibility 460 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,700 was exhausted, Indiana didn't lose any key pieces that they 461 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,500 were really worried about. You know, it's clear that Mike 462 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,100 Woodson's built something where the good players that were here 463 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:45,400 wanted to stay and the players that are coming in are like, 464 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,100 this is a project that I want to be a part of and that should be 465 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,200 really exciting for you as an Indiana fan. 466 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,100 I would think. So I'm just I'm kind of laughing 467 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,400 is you're saying that I know this is not what you mean but 468 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,800 I'll use it as a proxy argument. The, you know, when you were 469 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,100 talking about, you know, the the reasons why McKinsey is not a 470 00:24:01,108 --> 00:24:03,400 top five. Kurt, you're seeing some of that 471 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,900 chatter of like, you know, he's you know, there's there's parts 472 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,000 to his game that aren't great and it's like, alright well like 473 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:10,800 but see you scarecrow arguments, those Indiana fans. 474 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,800 It's like you can't just go from like zero to 100 in one season 475 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,700 like there is a great like like yes we're not getting the top 476 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:22,400 two recruits every year but like we're not getting anything five 477 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,000 years ago so you can't just go from like kind of being out of 478 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,700 recruiting to Suddenly It's like wow he's only the top using the 479 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:31,100 for recruiting the country. So it's like that makes me laugh 480 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,200 but the Other piece too is like two people who would say that 481 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,100 again. Not saying it's you but it's 482 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:40,400 like there's also the peace that you know, we're talking the 483 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,900 values of Woodson, how he's doing in this recruiting, in 484 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,500 this new age which is showing to be very well. 485 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,900 It's also like, let's not forget that. 486 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:50,800 Yeah. MacKenzie's going to come in 487 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,600 with some holes in his game but Woodson has also shown the 488 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,500 ability to make players better. Like look at Tres Jackson Davis 489 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,800 in the first two years under Archie. 490 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,000 He was good, he kind of What he was. 491 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,000 And then once Woodson really got his hands on Trace I think, you 492 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 know, obviously Trace put some work into but it's like Trace 493 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:13,400 transformed his game, totally differently. 494 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,200 So you know and you look at guys like he was a savior Johnson 495 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,200 who's become you know much more focused and what he's able to 496 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,700 do, you know so it's like there's a world tour. 497 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:25,300 Like Woodson can take these guy, you renew struggled a lot with 498 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,800 fouls and he still did near the end but you could definitely 499 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,200 see. He was getting so much better 500 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:32,200 and he was doing starting to do the Right? 501 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,100 Things by the end of the season. So, you know, there's a world to 502 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,100 were like, you know, this is a guy would sort of guy who can 503 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:38,800 also develop players. Not like, we're just getting 504 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,500 recruits and then rolling the ball out and say, well, that's a 505 00:25:41,508 --> 00:25:42,900 part of his game is never going to get better. 506 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,400 So, I know it's all, it's all really good. 507 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,800 And again, that the piece that I really like is something that 508 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,200 you had hammered home. You know, near the end of the 509 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,700 crean era cannot pick going back to pick on cream but it's like 510 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,600 when you looked at the recruits we were getting for a while 511 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,400 there. Your point was always look at 512 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,700 the other schools were competing against at that point. 513 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,200 It was like Well, and Western Kentucky and like you know, 514 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,400 maybe they had an offer from Cincinnati at the time. 515 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,300 It's like who like big win? I mean, you know, these are 516 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,200 these are really big recruits like where had you know guys. 517 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,400 You know five-star he had deal top level program offers last 518 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200 year went to Oregon you know. But then he was wanted by a 519 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,900 bunch of different schools when he when he dropped out you know 520 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,900 it Mackenzie went to Duke, I'm not sure where else he was offer 521 00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:27,100 but I'm sure it was all the schools you'd imagine and then 522 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:28,500 we went head-to-head to Kansas like this. 523 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,900 Is if nothing else too. This is something that we just 524 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,800 really haven't done too because going back to some of those 525 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,900 other targets that we've gotten, It's Like Romeo, you know, 526 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000 probably would have gone to Louisville, had it not been for 527 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,400 the hilde to Scandal, but it's also an Indiana kids. 528 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,100 So we have an inside track like right? 529 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,800 Ike, I would be hard-pressed to think of another high-level 530 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,200 recruit that really didn't have like a real Indiana tie that we 531 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,600 were also going up against a Kansas, North Carolina Duke. 532 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,400 And we won that like these are again, this doesn't mean we're 533 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,400 going to win the national title with me. 534 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,400 The guy is going to be the As pirate Indian history but it's 535 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,900 like those are things that we haven't traditionally done it. 536 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,200 If we want to be the program, we want to be, we've got to be 537 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,100 doing these kinds of things on a in you know, every season basis. 538 00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,100 And the fact that we're starting to see a lot of traction very 539 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,400 quickly is really positive, I agree. 540 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,300 And look like you said, it doesn't mean I'm going to win a 541 00:27:21,308 --> 00:27:24,900 National Title necessarily but you've got a lot better shot at 542 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,700 getting there with those types of players. 543 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,600 Do for right right? Yeah that was the last thing I 544 00:27:29,608 --> 00:27:31,100 would say because I know Scott's got to get to it. 545 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:35,500 They party but before not mine. Not Scott's birthday party, 546 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,000 though. But the other thing I'll note 547 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,900 and I this was in one of the articles but Indiana's ni L 548 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:46,700 operation was was specifically named as one of the factors for 549 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,100 Bach, bro, to come to Bloomington. 550 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:52,700 And I I'm going to keep saying this and for those of you who 551 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:56,100 are still skeptical of Ni L, this is the biggest innate 552 00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:00,100 advantage that Indiana has right now in college basketball. 553 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:04,400 And I for one am thrilled that Woodson and the athletic 554 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,300 department are leveraging it, as well as they are and doing it in 555 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:08,700 a way. That is both careful. 556 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:13,700 But also thoughtful, there's so much money tied up with IU 557 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,600 basketball. Fandom that has never really 558 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,200 been tapped officially or at least not to the degree. 559 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,800 It hasn't been leveraged to a degree the way that Kentucky or 560 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,600 Kansas or Duke has leveraged their money people because it 561 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,300 was quote-unquote, you know, against the rules and we didn't 562 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:34,100 do that with Indiana basketball. but it's all legal now and it's 563 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,100 clear that Indiana has figured out a formula and has a group of 564 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:40,700 people who are like Oh you mean if we give this to this person 565 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,700 we're going to have an advantage in recruiting and there's very 566 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,700 few schools I think when you fully unlock the financial 567 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:50,900 resources among alumni and among donors that can match, what 568 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:54,800 Indiana can do, you know, I mean I'm not saying Indiana can 569 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,500 exceed a Kentucky or a Kansas or North Carolina, but they also 570 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,500 don't necessarily have to be particularly far behind I think 571 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:06,300 they're in that argument and if you put everything else equal 572 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,900 out there and you have a coach that people believe in and want 573 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,400 to go play for, that's a dynamite combination like that. 574 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000 Is that is what elevates your program back up to, where it 575 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,400 needs to be. And look, I don't think that 576 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,800 money is the sole reason why Indiana struggled in basketball 577 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200 for the last 30 years, but it certainly hasn't helped that 578 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000 Indiana has gone into a lot of these battles with both hands 579 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,700 tied behind their backs, compared to what some of their 580 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:31,800 competitors. Have done. 581 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,700 So that is exciting, Scott and go ahead. 582 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,400 And I want to, I want to expand on that. 583 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,700 I think it's a great point. And, you know, because I thought 584 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,700 here this all the time, I think we have this like Indiana's. 585 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,500 A second largest alumni base in the country, like, not just in 586 00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:46,600 the Big 10 but I think out of all schools, like it's Ohio, 587 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,600 State and Indiana. So, there's a huge alumni base 588 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,900 to give money, but I agree with you a million percent. 589 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,900 I also think that it's really good that we're getting those. 590 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,700 Those stories are getting out there that, you know, hey, this 591 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:04,200 is a fan base and they program has a real positive and good ni 592 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,500 L program. Because what's interesting is 593 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,700 other schools in the Big Ten, you're seeing the opposite 594 00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:12,300 happening. Like I think it was Minnesota, 595 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,200 you know, the university came out and said like, you know, we 596 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,000 had, you know, four hundred thousand dollars to all of our 597 00:30:17,008 --> 00:30:19,000 basketball players this year at ni L. 598 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000 It's like okay well if you're saying that is probably lower 599 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,200 because everyone flakes everything. 600 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600 And like that's not something to gloat about like that semi. 601 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600 It sounds like a lot of money but it's like but the other 602 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,000 thing is that you look at hundred Dickinson who's like 603 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,900 basically, basically Aang, I left Michigan because they 604 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,500 weren't paying me enough money. And I can make a lot more money. 605 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,100 It can was. And so you get more of these 606 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,000 stories stacking up where it's like, hey these other schools, 607 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,500 the Big Ten kind of don't have their s together at ni L and 608 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,400 look, I you kind of does I think that's going to just change the 609 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,000 perception because, you know, you and I are on this page I'm 610 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,100 fine with this but this is like all these things matter but in 611 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:57,800 the end like this, you know, that famous quote, the answer to 612 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,500 all your questions is money, you know, in the end like if you're 613 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,600 like, hey Andy, Yeah, and it has money and they're willing to pay 614 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800 players that's going to change a lot of opinions. 615 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Even more than all the other things were mentioning Penn 616 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,300 State is actually the school that has the largest alumni 617 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:15,000 base, but all Penn State alums care about is football in the 618 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,700 Indiana. Second, they've 650,000 living 619 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,000 alumni want to read the rest of the list real quick Michigan's 620 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,500 3rd, which is kind of ironic. But again, Michigan fans care 621 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:25,700 about football. They don't really care about. 622 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:27,000 They say, they care about basketball. 623 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,500 They honestly don't fourth Michigan, State, Michigan State, 624 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:35,400 I think has It's that both before and during the ni El era, 625 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,300 but you need to be fair, all their alumni are buying NBA 626 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:39,900 teams, right? We'll take their money. 627 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,200 Their money is going to the NBA, it's like Point actually over 628 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,100 atmosphere. Well, no, well, then no Magic 629 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,700 Johnson, just was part part of the bid that bought the 630 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,500 Commander's. So when I got the Dodgers. 631 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,400 Yeah. And you know it well but to be 632 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600 fair, they also tied up, what three hundred million dollars on 633 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,100 Tucker's? Yeah, fifth is UCLA. 634 00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,400 Which again this is my point is it's not a 14-1. 635 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,100 It's not like we have a huge alumni base. 636 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,100 Therefore it's going to result in a lot of recruits because you 637 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,200 know who's what is it a fun? The list is Rutgers intent on 638 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,900 the list is Purdue, but produce problem is like two-thirds of 639 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,500 their alums live overseas, you know, the oven. 640 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,900 So, that's this is where Indiana's just in this really 641 00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:20,200 fascinating spot where there's, this is what people in Indiana 642 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800 care about. They care about basketball, you 643 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,900 know, as much as we've talked about football as much as you 644 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,100 and I have podcast about football, realistically, the 645 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:28,800 straw that stirs? The drink? 646 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,000 The drink itself is basketball. Here it is. 647 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,500 Anna. It's not football and so that's 648 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:36,900 where I'm really our podcast. Numbers agree with that. 649 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,200 They really do. Let's take you behind the 650 00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:43,100 analytics here at Crimson cat. No, no we really don't want to 651 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:48,800 do that, but the point is ultimately a fully activated IU, 652 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,800 n IL infrastructure combined with a coach like Mike Woodson, 653 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:58,400 who is, you know, I think Tyra and you can feel free to come 654 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,300 back, fans listening. Feel free to come back and Ten 655 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,800 years if I'm wrong and say Galen, you were wrong. 656 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,400 But I think 10 years from now we're going to look back at the 657 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,100 results of the 20 22 23 season and say, how the hell did Mike 658 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,800 Woodson. Squeeze a four seed out of a 659 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,600 group of players that were that one-dimensional, in terms of the 660 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,900 things that they brought to the table? 661 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:20,700 That's not a criticism. But it's like, Trace Jackson 662 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:24,000 Davis did one thing incredibly well, Miller cop did like one 663 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,100 thing. Incredibly, well, they lose a 664 00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:29,200 starting point guard. They had a freshman point guard 665 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,000 who, you know, was still learning the ropes. 666 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,300 Hopes and they somehow got them. Do a four-seat. 667 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:35,400 I think we're going to look back on that and say that was a 668 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400 really incredible job of putting a team together and getting the 669 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,600 most out of what you had. I think we're going to look at 670 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:45,200 things moving forward with as Woodson starts to get more 671 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,700 athletic, more modern, you know, athletic players into the mix 672 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:52,500 and starts to work with them. I think you're going to see, 673 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,500 even greater gains in terms of what Indiana's able to do on the 674 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,800 floor. What we're seeing here is is 675 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,500 Woodson, kind of doing the best with what he what hand he was 676 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,700 dealt and What limited things, he was able to get in the 677 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,300 portal. Now we're starting to see, okay, 678 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,900 this is the caliber of player that frankly Woodson's used to 679 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:11,300 coaching at the NBA level, like long athletic guys, that can 680 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,699 shoot from anywhere and, you know, put him in his 681 00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,199 developmental team on those guys for a year. 682 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,500 Two years, whatever. I'm really excited to see what 683 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,600 happens with all of that. Last last last thing. 684 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,100 Last last let you in, you have all of this, which is good. 685 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,699 The other thing that he is this is where, like, I'm just very 686 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:31,000 happy with where things are going. 687 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,400 It was just announced a couple days ago. 688 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,699 This is not the biggest one but it goes to my point. 689 00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,500 You know, we're playing Florida Gulf Coast to open the season, 690 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000 but that's another area where Woodson is helping and these all 691 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,199 these things are all connected where our schedule in the 692 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,400 non-conference is getting just so much better. 693 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,000 You know, last year you saw us play Kansas and Arizona. 694 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,600 You know this year we're playing the Empire classic which is 695 00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:54,500 looks like a really good field including the defending national 696 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,400 champion, you know. Again the Florida Gulf Coast 697 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,100 isn't a like a high-level team but it's still like it's a team 698 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,400 that's made some noise in the Animal. 699 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,700 That's better than some of these, you know, Louisiana Cajun 700 00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:06,200 state or whatever and then you know, we have Harvard which is a 701 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,800 name school but then you have a law bird and Lana we're playing 702 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,300 Kansas in a home-and-home. We get 100 Dickinson back, you 703 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:13,800 know? And there might be one more. 704 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800 Like that's another piece of all these things like these 705 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,800 high-level players want to play in shockingly, high level games 706 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800 against other high-level players on National Television. 707 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,500 They don't want to play, you know, five teams in Assembly 708 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,400 Hall, that are just, you know, 30-point blowout. 709 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,200 So I'm also really encourage. By that seeing us continue to as 710 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,300 you would say, like we're continuing to act like a 711 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:41,400 big-time program, like this is what high level programs do. 712 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,900 They go after high level recruits? 713 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,500 They go after high-level transfers, they schedule like 714 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,800 high level teams and like we're starting to do all of the things 715 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,900 that a high-level program does. Yeah. 716 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200 And and they do things with those players. 717 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,000 I think is the other piece of the puzzle. 718 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:59,400 That's, and at that is obviously had to be seen but I don't know 719 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,000 how you look at the first two years of what. 720 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,300 Woodson was able to squeeze out of the rosters but there's years 721 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:05,200 and say, well gosh, there's no way you can do anything with 722 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,600 these guys. I think to me, it's quite the 723 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,800 opposite. So anyway, we'll be back with 724 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,300 more. We've got some schedule stuff to 725 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,300 talk about on our next podcast. We might have another recruit 726 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:15,900 because the portal hasn't completely closed. 727 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,800 Yet there's still some time to do some stuff, but we will come 728 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400 back and talk more about that on a future show. 729 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,100 Will also have a special show coming up this week that I'm not 730 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,400 going to spoil for you, but it'll be interesting to a 731 00:36:26,408 --> 00:36:30,200 certain segment of our audience. Scott have fun today. 732 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Are you going to the race? So I am going to the Grand Prix. 733 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,300 That's great. I hope you have a great time. 734 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:36,600 I'm going to watch it on television. 735 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,800 They haven't black that out yet, but it was available on TV. 736 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,100 Well, maybe he's still got a couple hours to Black it up. 737 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,000 Anyway for Scott, I'm Galen have a great weekend. 738 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Hoosier Nation will catch you folks on the flip side, bring 739 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,600 back the Bison. So long everybody.