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All right, we're gonna start off
with a little bit of basketball 

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talk. 
We're going to have a, much more

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expanded conversation about 
Men's basketball on Sunday when 

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Scott is back from his travels. 
But I wanted to just give 

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initial impressions of what I 
saw in the Cintas Center and 

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just a really a fun game. 
I mean, first of all, I want to 

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tip my cap to the folks at 
Xavier. 

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You know, I didn't spend a huge 
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of got there. 
Got out of the car walked in, 

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you know, watch the game and 
then left but really fun 

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atmosphere. 
That is a really Really neat 

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little facility seats about a 
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it was rocking like from 
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There were a lot of IU fans 
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Xavier fans. 
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they've got the student section 
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I love what they're doing with 
the arena in terms of the vibe 

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and the the energy. 
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it was going to go up in flames,
you know, metaphorically pretty 

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much the whole game like it 
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On edge and I think it was a 
great atmosphere for college 

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basketball and I would go back 
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to play there again. 
So if you haven't had a chance 

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to get over there and watch a 
game, you really should. 

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And frankly, although Xavier 
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me. 
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everybody, as far as the game 
itself was concerned of his was 

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a really fascinating game. 
And I think, you know, a lot of 

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people looked at Xavier these 
they're like, okay, that's an 

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unrated or unranked team. 
That's a Game Indiana should win

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and I think it's easy to forget 
how hard it is to win on the 

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road against Power Conference 
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absolutely a power conference. 
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away that Xavier was fired up, 
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cylinders offensively especially
early on Indiana was really 

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struggling to shoot, jump shots,
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falling. 
It just really, you know, there 

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was a point early on there. 
I think the second time Went 

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down, nine Indiana. 
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I said to myself? 
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happen today. 
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team is quite got it yet in this
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que. 
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to do. 
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that environment. 
Can they claw back and make it 

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respectable? 
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And then, you know, Indiana did 
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writing the ship and getting 
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closed at halftime that they 
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didn't work out on the last 
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They establish a lead and they 
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nice cushion there for a while 
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lot of credit. 
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a talented, there's talented 
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I think that clearly Sean Miller
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I think as much as you could, 
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questions about him from an 
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an X's and O's guy. 
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what he's doing. 
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taking a few of their players 
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next dimension in terms of what 
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created an environment. 
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were never going to go away. 
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one of those situations where 
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And I think that, Miller 
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that because even though you 
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Center was was running out of 
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Even though Zach, Fremantle got 
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They found ways to keep 
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think Indiana deserves a huge 
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that they adapted throughout the
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And I think Indiana looks pretty
well, coached to, at this point.

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And, you know, that Trace 
Jackson Davis is clearly the 

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reason why Indiana Won the game 
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He was Unstoppable. 
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30 points, 6, rebounds, you 
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an offensive rating of 139, 
which is ridiculous and just was

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such, he just was so much 
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He was so much more agile than 
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tonight. 
It was really a master class in 

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low post moves. 
And I was really just terribly 

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impressed with how well he was 
able to move himself around on 

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the Baseline and find little 
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And so he certainly deserves 
special praise. 

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But Xavier Johnson deserves 
special praise as well. 

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I mean, that if you want to, to 
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of the game was, at least, in my
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the game, in the first half, 
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bit, I think, you know, he they 
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second unit and Johnson sat for 
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back in and really it was right 
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Which I think was it about the 
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of the first half where the 
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on the floor changed and it just
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spots and it was like palpable 
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Xavier Johnson. 
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tempo. 
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kind of getting it as far into 
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could and it wasn't just on 
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It was also on defense. 
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finishes with 23 points, 7 
rebounds and offensive rating of

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127, which is nuts. 
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basketball, but he was really, 
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interesting, we talked a lot 
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Johnson handle it if Jalen Hurd 
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starting point guard and this 
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might As well as it as it could 
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Because they've your Johnson 
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really distributor. 
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offense, but he was leading it 
from an initiative perspective 

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where he was just as likely to 
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lane as he was to pass the ball 
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And yes, you know, he had a 
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went over the edge. 
Although I still think I still 

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don't understand what the 
technical foul was for. 

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I really, I was very close to 
where that happened. 

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I still have zero clue what they
thought they heard or set or 

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saw, but I'll get into that in a
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But I think Xavier Johnson is if
traced that you know, you don't 

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have you don't win if you don't 
have traced Jackson Davis has 

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points. 
I don't think Indiana comes back

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and makes it a game and it has a
chance at winning if Xavier. 

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Don Johnson doesn't bring that 
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about the, you know, 30 minutes 
before the end of the game until

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the close of things and the 
other Later, I think really 

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deserves special praise. 
Is Malik, renew in 16 minutes to

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score 12 points, get six boards.
You play a long time with four 

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fouls and never foul out and you
know to be such an important and

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undaunted to borrow a phrase 
player for this Indiana Squad, 

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he looked like he absolutely 
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it was just Just really 
gratifying. 

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Yeah, we saw Pete, you know, him
play really well in the first 

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two games and you're like, okay,
this is against really subpar 

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competition. 
This was against a really tough 

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front line, and they absolutely 
needed him because race Thompson

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didn't have his bad of a game 
statistically, as I thought, he 

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ended up with eight boards and 
five points, but race times and 

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looked out of it, a bunch and, 
you know, Malik renew had to go 

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in and basically be the power 
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the second half and did it 
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And did it in a way that I don't
think Jordan Geronimo could have

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done and really just highlights 
how much depth and how much 

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talent is actually on the Cindy.
And it seems really cool to see 

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we'll talk more about that. 
A quick tip of the cap to trade 

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Galloway's, well four assists, 
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but really gave IU. 
A third guard that could really 

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go in and do things and help 
distribute and so Indiana picks 

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Non-conference win since 
November 30th 2011 at is still a

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just wild statistic that it's 
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Since the first Obama 
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one a true Road game. 
It's been it's been 11 years 

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almost to the day. 
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distant from that. 
But, you know, that some people 

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I think I saw a couple of 
mentions on Twitter, like, well 

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they got lucky and dodged a 
bullet and there's a lot of work

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to do. 
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you had to really be in the 
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there, I don't know that Indiana
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games in environments like that,
you know, probably Purdue, 

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probably, you know, I mean, I 
don't think Illinois brings that

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kind of an atmosphere, quite 
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they'll probably run into that 
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They'll do it in back-to-back 
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Michigan State, they'll be at 
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I don't even know that their 
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quite that. 
At atmosphere simply because the

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students will likely be gone by 
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So this is, we know we talked 
about this a little bit on the 

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last men's basketball podcast, 
but this kind of game, this type

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of opponent is it a top five 
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No. 
But you're probably not going to

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win a lot of games against top 5
teams on the road regardless of 

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how good you are but to take on 
what I think will at the end of 

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the season, probably be a top 30
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Go in their place and win. 
That is a really big deal. 

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And I think even if Indiana had 
lost, there would be a lot of 

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great building blocks coming out
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But this is going to be a really
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to be able to go into a place 
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This is not a neutral site game.
This is a true Road game against

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a big East opponent that I think
will at least be in the 

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conversation and the NCAA 
tournament. 

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You know, we're seeing a lot of 
games right now and neutral. 

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It's a lot of teams picking up 
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This type of win is invigorating
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It'll help with the resume and 
it really allows you to see how 

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Indiana is going to be able to 
handle a game where jail. 

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Huh, Cioppino is not good. 
From the field over eight from 

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to today and and 149 overall, 
where Miller cop up until that 

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last three hadn't hit a field 
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where race Thompson doesn't 
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The fact that they can bring 
renew Off the Bench they can get

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essentially zero points out of 
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Yes, Jordan Geronimo, hit one 
free throw, but Malik renew the 

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Indiana had 13 points off the 
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had 12 and, you know, maybe next
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this is the versatility that we 
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team and I for one am, I'm you 
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voice. 
Like I just drove, straight, two

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and a half hours back, sat down,
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goodnight. 
Turned on the podcasting board. 

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And, and if you can hear the 
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still what's emanating off of me
after having been in the arena 

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and watching this game. 
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daily, Terry Oglesby, Larry's 
hiroto, the officials. 

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I don't think I've ever seen in 
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more terrified of a crowd, you 
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Assembly Hall and I just haven't
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like quarterback seeing ghosts, 
there were there. 

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There were some ghost calls 
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Where there were, there were 
just some whistles where you're 

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there. 
Was that foul towards the end of

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the game on Xavier Johnson in 
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there was no physical contact on
the, on the, the there was no 

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foul to whistle and he had a 
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technical fouls. 
I mean, that was like church 

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league technicals. 
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ridiculous, and it felt like it 
went against Indiana for almost 

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the whole Game, you know that 
and that said, I think Indiana 

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did a good job of capitalizing. 
When they did get calls that 

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went their way and there were 
look, there were some 

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questionable calls both ways, 
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calls that went against Indiana 
in that one, and I don't even 

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care about it. 
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that's what you get on the road,
you're going to get that type of

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officiating. 
I'm sure a lot of people are 

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like, hey, you get that kind of 
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Assembly Hall all the time. 
My point is simply that that 

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crew looked frightened as they 
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And it was, It was kind of 
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you just you knew what to expect
every time you heard a whistle. 

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So anyway, not to be ungracious.
I just kind of chuckled about it

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as, as the game went along 
because it was, it was, it was 

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something everybody around me. 
Notice to whether they were in 

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Indiana, fan or Xavier fan. 
Anyway, Indiana gets a day off 

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Field house on Sunday, as 
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basketball podcast. 
We will talk about this game and

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what we learned out of it. 
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Anyway, let's talk IU football. 

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We're going to dive in to Tom 
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show a little bit later. 
We'll do that on Sunday in the 

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post-mortem that we normally do 
but there is a football game to 

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be played. 
Between now and then and that's 

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Indiana taking on the Michigan 
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Now, Indiana, I don't think I 
need to recap. 

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For all of you is just not look 
like a good football team right 

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now. 
They have in the last five games

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that have an eclipse 17 points 
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that was against Maryland. 
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streak, and they are an underdog
on the road as they should be 

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going up against this Michigan 
State team. 

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Now, a lot of people have kind 
of looked at Michigan State, and

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they've said, this is a team 
that Indiana could beat this is 

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a team that that's, you know, 
that you're in the conversation.

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I would be frankly, shocked if 
Indiana even covered in this 

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game, the Michigan state has 
certainly had their struggles 

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but when you go back and look at
the struggles that Michigan 

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state has, had they actually in 
retrospect, don't look bad. 

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I mean, they lost on the road at
Washington and that, I mean, 

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Washington's. 
I think the nation right now 

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that is a good Washington. 
Team led by Michael penix 

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Junior. 
You know they lost at Maryland. 

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And you know Maryland is hot and
cold but I think it's a mistake 

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to look at Maryland and say that
they're a bad team they're six 

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and four and you know they've 
lost a couple games and other 

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proper going to lose again this 
week but they'll beat Rutgers at

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the end of the season and 
finished seven and five, they 

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lost her Ohio State, which 
everybody's done and they lost 

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to Michigan. 
And and then the Other game that

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they lost in. 
Probably the only one that I 

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guess you could say was 
questionable was they had a big 

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home loss to Minnesota. 
That's a weird Minnesota team, 

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you know, that Miss sent 
Minnesota team. 

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I mean they lost to Purdue 
Illinois and Penn State, but 

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they've beaten everybody else 
handily. 

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And I don't think Minnesota is 
like, great, but there's still 

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seven and three. 
So, you know, I think the 

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reports of minute of Michigan 
State's demise and I am as 

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guilty. 
As anyone of this is probably a 

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little bit premature, they're 
not having a great season. 

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Certainly by comparison to what 
they had last year. 

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They they don't look good but 
they don't look awful. 

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And I am pretty impressed. 
Actually all told with how Mel 

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Tucker has taken. 
What could have been a situation

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that spiraled completely out of 
control and has rained it back 

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in and has given Michigan State 
a Fighting Chance, you know, not

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just to make a bowl, which if 
they beat Indiana, they'll be 

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Bowl eligible and they'll go 
back to a bowl. 

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Oh, but, you know, basically set
the table for what could be a 

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good season next year. 
And, you know, if your Michigan 

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State Michigan State, such a 
weird program, I mean, they fly 

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close to the Sun, they have a 
great year, you know, they've 

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made the the playoff they've 
been in top-level bowl games and

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then they just the bottom falls 
out and you're like, what the 

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hell is happening with the 
Spartans and then they kind of 

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Ratchet themselves back up 
again. 

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And, you know, last year was 
they, that was the too close to 

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the Sun, you are and here, they 
are back to Earth. 

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Bit. 
But overall, I think this is a 

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pretty solid football team. 
I mean, you know, it's, the be 

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able to go into Illinois and win
by eight at a time. 

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When Illinois was rolling, I 
think they some degree ruined, 

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Illinois season, and then turn 
around. 

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And, you know, they records 
probably got a little closer 

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than one might have expected, 
but they still beat Rutgers by a

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sizable margin to beat 
Wisconsin. 

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When Wisconsin was playing 
pretty well, I think they've 

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done enough for us to say. 
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decent. 
Team. 

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And, you know, if they play a 
third cupcake in the 

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non-conference, like, I don't 
know, Michigan, did you know, 

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then right now they're sitting 
at six and four. 

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And if you know, they would be 
7. 

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And for once they beat Indiana 
on Saturday and he'd be like, 

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well, what's the problem there? 
You know, there's another seven 

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win season, that's a great start
for Mel Tucker. 

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And so I just I think for the IU
fans who've been point of this 

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game is like a place where I, 
you could get a win, you know, 

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because it was always like, oh, 
well Michigan State's and Shape 

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than I you and I got news for 
you. 

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They're not. 
Michigan state is not graded 

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out. 
Well, you know, we like to use 

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Pro Football. 
Focus College here on Crimson 

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cast. 
I think it's a good way to 

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qualitatively assess what 
different aspects of a team's 

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performance have looked like 
over the course of the season 

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and you know Michigan State's 
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I mean you know the they didn't 
they look really bad against 

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Minnesota. 
They look really bad against 

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Michigan. 
They looked okay against 

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Maryland and Washington but when
they've won, they've looked 

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pretty good. 
I mean they graded really well 

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against Rutgers? 
They graded really well against 

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Wisconsin. 
They graded pretty good and very

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good actually in the passing 
game in that game at Illinois. 

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And you know, overall their you 
know their defense has not been 

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great. 
The problem is their offense is 

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actually been pretty good. 
And unfortunately, Indiana is 

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not the type of team as they've 
proven multiple times going back

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to that step that I cited about 
not having broken 17 points in 

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most of their big ten games this
year. 

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This is not an Indiana team that
is able to make you pay for 

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being bad. 
Defensively and Indiana's 

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offense is, is truly really bad 
right now, you know, is it the 

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worst offense in the Big Ten It 
may be. 

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I mean, it's it's certainly at 
this point an offense that is 

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kind of bereft of execution that
they really struggle in every 

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phase of the offense, in trying 
to move the ball and trying to 

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block, and trying to give the 
passing game enough. 

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Time to do something with 
itself, they just don't look 

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like a functional offense and 
and, you know, certainly some of

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that's been due to injuries. 
As we've talked about camper 

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being out is not helped. 
DJ Matthews being injured has 

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not helped by But the flip side 
of it is they didn't look good 

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last year either. 
And you know the excuses kind of

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wear thin when it comes to how 
your team performs on offense. 

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This is a new offensive 
coordinator, a new system, and 

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yet in conference play, you 
know, Indiana, they've scored 

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132 points and there's only four
teams, three teams that have 

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scored fewer points than that. 
You know, you've got, I mean, I 

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This is how bad it is. 
Iowa has scored more points in 

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conference play than Indiana has
Iowa squirt. 138 Indiana scored.

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132 Rutgers is scored fewer 
points. 

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Northwestern scored fewer points
and Michigan state has scored 

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one fewer point. 
The problem is Indiana has given

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up by far the most points in the
conference. 

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We talked about this last week. 
Indiana has given up 249 points 

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in the conference. 
That is that's what 32. 

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Two more points in conference 
play than the next worst 

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defense. 
Which is Rutgers and folks 

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that's not good. 
That is that is bad to see and 

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it doesn't bode well for what 
Indiana can do. 

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You know the big question for 
Indiana going into this game? 

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I guess is who's going to start 
at quarterback? 

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And, you know, if it's this is, 
you know, a lot of people been 

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saying, we got to start Dexter 
Williams, got start Dexter 

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Williams. 
I mean, You probably do. 

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And this is where it gets kind 
of tricky because I, you know, 

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everybody's getting excited 
about Dexter Williams as a 

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quarterback. 
And I understand why, and I 

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think that Dexter Williams 
certainly has some talents that 

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I'd love to see Indiana. 
Try to figure out how to use 

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more effectively. 
The one thing about Dexter 

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Williams that I would really 
caution everybody about though 

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is that Dexter Williams has not 
been a very efficient 

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quarterback, a he Did throw two 
touchdown passes against Ohio 

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State and that is absolutely 
not. 

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Anything I would take away from 
him. 

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That is that is impressive. 
However, if you take away, the 

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two touchdown passes, he was 4 
for 19 with the remaining 

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throws, he was 64 19 for the 
game, 31.6%, against Penn State.

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He was 44 11 for 36.4% and two 
interceptions on the season 

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through 30 passes, he has 
passed. 

448
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:33,000
Total yards and of the 148 was 
40 or something were on that one

449
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,200
pass that happened on the that 
really kind of sparked the drive

450
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,900
that led to the touchdown 
against Ohio State. 

451
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,100
This is not to criticize Dexter 
Williams, it's really not, but I

452
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:50,100
do want to pump the brakes a 
little bit and say, a the 

453
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:53,100
problem that we saw last year 
because this, this exact same 

454
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:57,500
thing happened with Donovan 
McCulley, like to almost Just 

455
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,500
the same statistics or the 
McCully was slightly more 

456
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:04,700
accurate as a passer, but once 
it became clear that that was 

457
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,600
the person that Indiana was 
going to go with it. 

458
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,400
Quarterback defense has adjusted
and of course, as we have, 

459
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,600
unfortunately, seen Indiana 
seems under this current regime 

460
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,000
to not be capable of making 
counter adjustments or throwing 

461
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,500
new wrinkles in that last more 
than the opening Series of the 

462
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,300
game. 
And so, what ends up happening 

463
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,000
is that the defense dials in? 
They make it very difficult and 

464
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,400
It's the the performance has 
become less impressive as you go

465
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800
further in because the tape is 
there. 

466
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,700
And once the tape is there, it's
hard to get anybody. 

467
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,500
Like, it's hard to get people 
open, it's hard to give Dexter 

468
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:46,100
Williams time defense is make 
adjustments in Indiana ends up 

469
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:50,000
really struggling and even if I 
don't, frankly even if defense 

470
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200
is don't adjust your just not 
going to make a living 

471
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,300
completing 33% of your passes in
the Big Ten and so I'd love to 

472
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:00,200
see Dexter Williams, get 
additional minutes. 

473
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,500
I'd love to see, Dexter 
Williams, continue to grow. 

474
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,800
And I think, at this point, 
because the season is 

475
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,800
essentially lost, you know, you 
do need to, at least give him a 

476
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,400
look over the course of the next
couple of games. 

477
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,700
If you've totally decided that 
you're giving up on Connor, 

478
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,300
basil, act, which I think might 
be a mistake and we've talked 

479
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:23,600
about that and a lot of that. 
It's very difficult to try to 

480
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,400
grade basil. 
A core Williams as Long-term 

481
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,200
prospects at the quarterback 
position for IU because of how 

482
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,900
awful the offensive line play 
has been. 

483
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,200
But this is where you know, if 
you're going to do it you might 

484
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,900
as well just commit to it 
completely. 

485
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600
What I really hope that we don't
see is Tom Allen running a 

486
00:27:43,608 --> 00:27:47,100
quarterback out there for like 
three series and then try and 

487
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,200
decide to go. 
I got to go a different 

488
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,600
direction because it's I think 
it's bad enough at this point 

489
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,700
that Alan has persisted with 
this ridiculous. 

490
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,900
I'm not going to name I'm a 
starter stuff. 

491
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,800
It's not having an effect, 
that's anything positive. 

492
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000
And I think, you know, 
especially at the quarterback 

493
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,100
position, it it reduces the 
legitimacy of the starting 

494
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,400
quarterback when you keep doing 
things like this. 

495
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:16,300
And so I would, we're not going 
to get unannounced starter fine.

496
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:18,600
But I hope that whoever ends up 
starting the game just ends up 

497
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,000
staying in there and taking some
lumps and learning as they go 

498
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,900
along and developing, for 
whatever the next task is going 

499
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,800
to be With this program and I 
hope they're able to do it 

500
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,200
without a running game because 
that just doesn't seem to be 

501
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,500
happening either. 
I honestly Hope Indiana does 

502
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,200
some different things in the 
running game, like find a way to

503
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,000
get Jaylen, Lucas the ball more 
often as a running back or as a 

504
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
slot receiver or as some 
combination, you know, get Josh 

505
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Henderson the ball, more, stop 
running Sean chivers because 

506
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,500
it's not working and, you know, 
whatever you do though, like 

507
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,500
commit to the Reps, commit to 
the Reps. 

508
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,400
Can, you know, commit to the The
idea that look, this season's 

509
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,700
probably, you know, you're not 
going to, you're not going to 

510
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:04,900
sneak a win out here. 
You know, you might have a shot 

511
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:10,400
next week against Purdue but 
it's good practice to play 

512
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,400
against a good but not great. 
Team on the road in the 

513
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,200
conference and be honest about 
where you're deficient, and try 

514
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,700
to figure out how to tweak 
things and get your players more

515
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,700
experience. 
You know, Alan did mention that 

516
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:28,700
they're going to play some guys 
who They've been holding back 

517
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:32,400
because they wanted to make sure
that they were playing them in 

518
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,900
not too many games because you 
do lose your red shirt if you 

519
00:29:34,908 --> 00:29:36,700
play more than four games in a 
season. 

520
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000
So I hope they stick to that and
I hope that they even if they 

521
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,000
lose by a bunch of points at 
least then there's a feeling 

522
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,800
that you're developing towards 
something as you move towards 

523
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,500
the future which frankly that 
has been something that's been 

524
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:55,700
in short supply or at least felt
like it's been in short supply. 

525
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:57,400
Like this was supposed to be 
happening last year too. 

526
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,500
I didn't seem to work hopefully 
they're able to do something on 

527
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:03,700
it with this game and with the 
game against Purdue as we move 

528
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:09,200
forward, Michigan State for 
their you know, the one thing I 

529
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,800
will say I do think Michigan 
State's offense, is they've 

530
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,000
struggled enough that if the 
defense was going to wake up out

531
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,400
of its Slumber that it's had 
for, you know, the last year and

532
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,500
three quarters and play a really
good game and make it difficult 

533
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,400
on an opponent. 
This is the game to do it. 

534
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,400
Probably Peyton Thorn has been a
really good passer this year 63 

535
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,200
percent completion. 
Percentage 2152 yards, this 

536
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,800
year, 16 touchdowns nine 
interceptions. 

537
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,000
They move the ball really well 
through the air and they haven't

538
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,300
really moved the ball grade on 
the ground. 

539
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:48,900
I mean, Jalen Burger is their 
leading rusher and yardage and 

540
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,200
in touchdowns as average about 
four and a half yards, a carry 

541
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200
six, touchdowns 550 yards. 
Which isn't that much? 

542
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,300
They really haven't relied on 
the Run. 

543
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,100
That much, they've only rushed 
the ball for 1089 yards, their 

544
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,900
opponents of Russian for over 
1700, you know. 

545
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:05,900
So you can tell that this is 
really a team that likes to move

546
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:08,800
the ball through the air. 
And this is where the 

547
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:15,900
beleaguered IU secondary. 
Could do a lot to bounce back 

548
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,700
and put themselves in a position
where, you know, they build on 

549
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,300
something and get themselves 
ready for the Purdue game if 

550
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:26,000
they could come out and generate
a couple of interceptions, you 

551
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,100
know, I think overall, there's 
just, a real opportunity for 

552
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,800
this Indiana team to, at least 
keep it close. 

553
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,400
And, you know, this is where you
can kind of, you can reconcile 

554
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,500
playing younger guys, because 
frankly, the older players you 

555
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,500
played in this. 
Season haven't performed to the 

556
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:49,900
level that you need them to. 
And so look you know what 

557
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:55,100
Michigan State's going to do and
you know where that matches up 

558
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:56,800
against your strengths and 
weaknesses. 

559
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:01,300
And I think Indiana certainly 
has a chance to cover. 

560
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,700
I just don't the momentum of 
this IU team is just it's so 

561
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,200
wrong at this point. 
And I was just worried at this 

562
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,500
stage that You know, we saw this
slide happened last year. 

563
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,900
And Indiana didn't recover and 
finish strong. 

564
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:20,600
They went exactly the opposite 
direction. 

565
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,200
And they got crushed down the 
stretch, the Minnesota game, and

566
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,000
then the Purdue game. 
There were 10 and a half, Point 

567
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,200
underdogs in this one. 
I don't think that, you know, 

568
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,300
being within seven, eight, nine 
points is out of the question. 

569
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:39,200
I really don't. 
But that said, I have a hard 

570
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,300
time seeing Indiana kind of 
putting the pieces back 

571
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:43,400
together. 
Other enough to make an effort 

572
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,800
out of it. 
So I think all the pieces are 

573
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,600
there, if they, if they can get 
it together and find it within 

574
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,100
themselves to do. 
So, I just wouldn't hold my 

575
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:54,300
breath on it and I guess we'll 
see what happens. 

576
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,300
So, anyway, I you taking on 
Michigan State at noon. 

577
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,500
Hopefully you listen to this 
before the game and we'll be 

578
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,400
back on Sunday with more Crimson
cast. 

579
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,500
As we'll talk about the football
game and we'll have a separate 

580
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:12,100
podcast. 
We've been trying Keep these 

581
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:14,900
things separated where we will 
talk about IU basketball. 

582
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,900
So, we'll hear Scott's thoughts 
on the game and it should be, it

583
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,100
should be, it'll be fun. 
I'm looking forward to it. 

584
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,500
Looking forward to talking 
basketball again. 

585
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:27,900
And certainly we will do our 
duties on the football 

586
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:30,600
podcasting. 
Front is the season is almost 

587
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,900
over. 
Anyway, thanks to you folks for 

588
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,100
listening, I hope that you have 
a wonderful weekend and I hope 

589
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,600
you have a wonderful holiday 
weekend, or at least the 

590
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,700
beginning of it as we head 
closer to thank It's giving my 

591
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,900
thanks don't feel the Peril. 
My thanks to our friends at the 

592
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:46,900
back home network, I am Galen 
clabby. 

593
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,000
This is Crimson cast will catch 
you folks on the flip side. 

594
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:42,900
Bring back the Bison so 
everybody It's giving my thanks 

595
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:44,900
don't feel the Peril. 
My thanks to our friends at the 

596
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:46,900
back home network, I am Galen 
clabby. 

597
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,000
This is Crimson cast will catch 
you folks on the flip side. 

598
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,100
Bring back the Bison so 
everybody