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A it is the 18th of January at 
2022 or back. 

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Once again with more podcast 
goodness, here surrounding, 

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Indiana University. 
Athletics as IU. 

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Basketball picks up their first 
road win of the Season, knocking

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off Nebraska, last night. 
If you missed it, Scott and I 

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got a, did an assembly call 
postgame show takeover, which 

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they're probably still 
regretting all the way into the 

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afternoon of the next day, but 
we had a good time and certainly

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our thanks to Andy bottoms for 
hosting that Scott. 

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Good to see you again. 
How are you doing? 

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I'm doing, well. 
Yeah, poor Andy had to deal with

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both of us. 
It was they sent out. 

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The call and I we both kind of 
responded to the same time was 

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not meant to be a takeover, but 
it was so sometimes these things

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are just Cosmic like that. 
It was meant to happen. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, we're going to talk IU 

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basketball. 
We got some questions from you, 

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folks. 
We have some thoughts of our own

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as Indiana heads into a very 
important stretch of the season,

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so we're going to talk about 
that and field, some questions. 

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As I you gets ready to take on 
Purdue coming up this Thursday. 

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First of all, just a reminder. 
We are part of the back home 

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Along with Coach's Corner, with 
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of reminders. 
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part of us will be live from 
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of February. 
After the Illinois, Indiana 

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Should be a really fun time. 
We'll do a live show. 

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Will this is obviously all covid
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things have died down a little 
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as The Boys Are Back In Town, 
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Code is home Scott Hoosiers. 
Let's recap quickly what 

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happened yesterday, and the game
Indiana knocking off in 

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Nebraska, by the score of 78 to 
71 and the Hoosiers. 

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I mean, they did what they were 
supposed to do. 

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They didn't win by, they didn't 
cover the, the spread was nine. 

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I think Ken palm and torvik. 
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but they did pull off the 
victory. 

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It wasn't necessarily 
comfortable. 

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But you really never got the 
sense that Indiana was going to 

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lose the game. 
At least I didn't at any point 

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during Game and they managed to 
finish it off without Trace 

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Jackson Davis, on the floor. 
He took a fall by taking a fall.

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I mean, his legs at cut out from
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basketball player. 
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whistled as something more 
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I guess we'll leave that aside, 
but the Hoosiers did what they 

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needed to do. 
It was a workmanlike victory on 

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the road. 
I was generally fairly impressed

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and I think that a lot of people
seem to not be in terms of the 

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overall. 
All way that they played but 

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again, you know, it's like one 
of those deals when you go on 

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the road in the conference 
conference Road play is brutal 

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right now. 
They're just haven't been that 

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many wins on the road for teams 
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And even like Ohio State who was
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week. 
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Nebraska to beat Nebraska. 
Oh, yes, Michigan, blew them out

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by like 35 points. 
But hey, you know, why would I 

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use any evidence? 
That doesn't support my 

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argument? 
I don't know. 

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You have any quick thoughts on 
that game? 

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Anything that you've had time 
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Ruminate on here, over the last 
18 hours or so. 

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Now, I mean, my main takeaway 
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I'm just going to go back real 
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The get-together for the 
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I will not be there. 
Unfortunately. 

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I have a nephew who's getting 
married in Boston, and I already

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committed to that before the 
dates were picked. 

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So, I might hop in virtually. 
I'm bummed because this is the 

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first time we're all getting 
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So that sucks. 
So, but anyway, if you guys come

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to that, please come, and if I'm
not there, that is why I will be

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in Boston. 
I mean, that happens. 

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But if that gets cancelled, then
maybe I'll be at the game. 

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But that's, that's neither here.
Nor there is one of those 

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people. 
No, I'm not. 

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Don't read into it. 
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that. 
Not that anybody would even 

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notice. 
And, or care for the Nebraska 

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game, what I mentioned on the 
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been thinking more about it. 
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Pleasant. 
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that before Trace Jackson, Davis
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bifurcate the game Bo before he 
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And then after he went out 
before he went out. 

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You know, the game got kind of 
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heavy and it got slow and it was
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Iowa game. 
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game. 
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find that he poised similarly, 
in Penn State, you know, with 

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Nebraska. 
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opponent, but they were able to 
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stable. 
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and there they never let 
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felt like they lost control of 
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made a lot of mistakes along 
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spot. 
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didn't look as good, but they 
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that was a game that was there, 
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to speak and it wasn't. 
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And yeah, I mean, it would have 
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away and kick their butt, but I 
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kind of one of those were a win.
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Like we beat them by 20. 
I don't know if anybody is like,

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all right. 
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I feel good that we're going to 
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look fantastic to the night last
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Thanks for the Purdue game. 
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we won by 25 or not against 
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Yeah, I mean, look, there's just
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Victory on the road, but they 
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I mean, any road Victory doesn't
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this point. 
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you gotta walk before you can 
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I just think stylistically. 
It's going to be ugly until 

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Indiana gets either better 
players that are more capable. 

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Able of executing at a high 
level, both home and away or 

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this group of players gets more 
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on both ends of the floor and 
figures out how to apply that 

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for 40 minutes. 
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you play well in spurts on the 
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Obviously they played well in 
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Wisconsin, they played well in 
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They played well in the second 
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got to put it all together and 
ultimately, I'm glad the haven't

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won a game. 
On the road narrative is done. 

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I'm, you know that we've put 
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going to be opportunities on the
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The rest of the way, if this 
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to grow and I think that that's 
still what's happening with this

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team. 
Last night's game was really 

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interesting to me because it was
actually one of the better 

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offensive games that Indiana has
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If you go by barked or Vic's 
website, that was the best game 

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adjusted for opponent, that 
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All Season, that's a good sign 
that, that would happen. 

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In on the road, the downside is 
that was one of their worst 

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defensive performances and some 
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indifference more than anything 
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Some of it was just Nebraska 
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and I don't know that water ever
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But yeah, overall, I was, I was 
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It was an important game and 
it's one that you're just like, 

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okay, we can put that in the 
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That's a victory for Indiana, 
move on to the next game, which 

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is I guess where they're at 
right now, with all of It's 

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obviously a little bit of 
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Over Trace Jackson, Davis is 
Health, but he tweeted out right

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after the game yesterday that 
he's planning on playing against

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Purdue. 
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wasn't, he may not be 100%, but 
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I'd be surprised if if that like
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even if it did, I think the 
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him in that one and he'll be 
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Purdue, we did have some 
questions from the folks out 

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there. 
They're on Twitter. 

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And I wanted to try to tackle a 
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I just think one real quick 
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Sure, go ahead, before we get to
those questions. 

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I meant to dig into this deeper 
earlier today, but life and work

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out in the way. 
But you know, the we do have the

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only thing that to be slightly 
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he's going to play and he'll be 
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So you have to take him at his 
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he took a sip, you know, similar
situation after the Syracuse 

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game. 
He took a fall in the Syracuse 

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game. 
That game he came back and 

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continued to play. 
So maybe less of an injury in 

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there, but he took a pretty hard
fall in that Syracuse game, the 

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two games after were probably 
two of his, you know, based on 

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offensive rating and point 
performance, two of his worst 

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games of the season so far, you 
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you know, 5411 shooting had 14 
points, but in 80 offensive 

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rating and then Wisconsin, the 
game that we lost, you know, he 

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went 4 for 10, only had nine 
points, 101 rating, and then, 

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you know, Merrimack Notre Dame. 
Seem to kind of bring it back to

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where he was. 
And so, that would be my only 

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thought of concern is that if 
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injury, again, we have no idea 
how that their similarities or 

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maybe. 
But it was a knee injury in the 

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Syracuse game. 
He fell on his hip in his gait. 

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Okay, but but all I'm saying is,
you know, that would be the only

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thing of concern is like, it's a
lingering type injury. 

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So, yeah, we'll see. 
I mean, I don't think is any way

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for us to know it's, it's always
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When it comes to that. 
I look people pick up. 

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Practice that we don't know 
about that affects day-to-day 

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operation sometimes on that. 
So I would pump the brakes on 

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being too concerned and we'll 
just have to see how it plays 

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out. 
I think you'll probably be as 

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close to fine. 
As you can be. 

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Given that a steel two-thirds of
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essentially. 
Anyway, some things to go over 

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as far as questions or concern 
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going to start off with a 
question that was asked earlier.

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Earlier on by striped ology. 
Is it fair to say the most 

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important factor for this team 
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our people freelancing too much 
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I don't know if Totally buy that
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fairly easy to disrupt if you 
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the ball in the post and you're 
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know, moving or without the ball
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whoever's playing at the two and
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offense tends to stagnate. 
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Xavier Johnson, Running the 
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different reasons. 
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course of the Season. 
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of the ball, you know, as much 
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criticized, Archie, Miller's, 
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there and how he runs the Mike 
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that issue might have been just 
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playing basketball, where it's 
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terms of these more decisive. 
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less careful with the basketball
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turnovers still. 
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lot of it for me going back to 
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much guys getting outside of 
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doing as much as it is. 
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struggles to figure out what 
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more dangerous individually. 
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that's likely to get. 
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I think we're going to see 
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just how do you get this team to
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possession. 
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I love all of our listeners. 
I love questions to me. 

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This is a bizarre question 
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this team is the opposite of 
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you have a lot of players who 
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they They are always 
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Like if you kind of just go down
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Jackson Davis is obviously in a 
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an interior player like this 
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of it. 
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guys, go on their own would kind
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bringing the ball up and popping
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mind too much if you'd listened 
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doesn't do that, you know race 
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He takes a couple threes here or
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shot chart, you know, it's been 
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He'll take one or two threes 
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So, you know, you look at like, 
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takes a bunch of threes and 
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So he's attempted 22, point 
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He's attempted 75, three-point 
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He's shooting 46% from three. 
I like that but he's also been 

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pretty good what he drives. 
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get a lead if Parker Stewart 
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and driving it in, he's not 
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for the most part either pass. 
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and he kind of does that. 
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I think it goes back to what you

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easy to get stagnant stagnated 
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And the problem isn't so much, 
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thing. 
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do what they do, you know, 
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dribble and not be massively 
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it's not that And I think if 
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team are for the most part, A 
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one-dimensional and they are 
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Even we get leads or when we're 
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Hooper ROTC. 
Is it an over reaction to say 

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that Miller cop has not been the
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He might be. 
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this because you were one of 
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bit skeptical. 
I think part of it's hard to 

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answer this question because I 
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Miller cop to come in and be 
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scorer, obviously, you would be 
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If you weren't expecting that 
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no, but we should probably talk 
about expectations and what 

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Miller cops actually been doing,
you know, and Scott you weren't 

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you weren't opposed to Miller 
cop, but you weren't exactly 

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driving the bandwagon either. 
At the To the your, how how 

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what's your overall reaction to 
Cops time on? 

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I use roster so far. 
I mean, it's funny. 

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I was thinking the answer to me 
is like no, he's cooked 

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completely met expectations of 
what I had for him. 

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You know, I I take this back 
also to you know, Joey Brooke. 

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I felt like this is a very 
similar corollary that would 

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enjoy Brent got here Suddenly 
It's like oh this guy's got 

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experience and then like, you 
know quickly when he became 

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injured, it was almost as weird 
like well, you know, but Bronx 

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injured. 
It's like all right, but he's 

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like our fourth best player, 
maybe fifth like during those 

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years and suddenly to be like, 
hey, our fifth best player is 

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injured. 
Like now the seasons could put 

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it's like that's you're not 
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Like or like you're you're 
conflating too many things. 

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Like I'm I'm sure Ohio State if 
right now front got hurt, 

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wouldn't be like, oh, well, 
there's art, you know, let's 

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pack up and just wait for 
football season, you know, if 

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you look at the numbers, Miller 
cops, offensive rating is pretty

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similar to what it was at 
Northwestern. 

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He has a couple games where he 
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games are in the 70s and 80s and
that's kind of where he's at 

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now. 
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at his numbers and say, he's 
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Then he has been at Northwestern
and this is what I saw with him 

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at Northwestern. 
It's like he was the, you know, 

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third or fourth option on a team
that you know, last year. 

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Let's pull up their record and 
it wasn't wasn't good. 

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You know, last year. 
I'm just filling time, you know,

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last year they were 9 and 15 the
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twenty three. 
So, I mean you have to really 

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subpar years and he wasn't even 
the best player on those teams. 

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You know, this is where I always
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with the reality of these 
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when you're getting a bad team 
second or third best player like

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yeah, he's got big 10 
experience. 

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But you know, it doesn't mean 
that he's going to suddenly, you

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know, where I'm not. 
I don't know. 

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It's just like that. 
This is exactly what I was 

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expecting. 
And I think he's in, like I 

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said, the numbers are actually 
better now than they were 

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against when this, you know, 
first, two years in 

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Northwestern, so cops, 
interesting, you know, to me, I 

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think we're have been 
disappointed in. 

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Cop is the for the amount of 
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And as of right now, Miller cop 
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Has played the third most 
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He's only behind, Trace Jackson,
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it's, you know, if you look at 
his statistics, he's actually 

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contributed fairly. 
Well, he's got a pretty good 

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offensive rating. 
He's about round 109 110, which 

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is pretty good. 
He's, you know, he's shooting 

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could be a little bit better, 
but he's shooting 37% from three

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and that's, that's his strength.
He doesn't turn the ball over. 

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He's got one of the better 
turnover rates on, not just on 

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the team but in the conference 
and he doesn't commit fouls. 

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Generally the big problem with 
Miller cop to me is that it's 

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basically two fold one. 
He's offering very little on the

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boards. 
Like he's not rebounding. 

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He liked the the difference. 
Tween when, you know, when he's 

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like, you think about how he, 
and, I know he's in a different 

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spot on the floor, to some 
degree. 

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But even on the defensive end, 
he's not rebounding the ball 

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particularly much or well and 
he's basically non-existent on 

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the offensive glass because he's
just hanging out on the 

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perimeter, the whole time. 
That's okay. 

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If you're then turning around 
and taking shots, but he's not 

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taking that many shots, you 
know, for a guy that's playing, 

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almost 62 percent of available. 
Or minutes. 

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He only uses about 14% of 
possessions, which is if you 

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look at the Ken Palm numbers, 
that is what you would classify 

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as a limited role player. 
This is a guy who just there's 

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not a lot of decisiveness or 
urgency on the offensive end and

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unfortunately, his defense just 
isn't very good. 

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It's better than Parker 
Stewart's defense, but it's 

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still not great. 
And so you feel like unless cop 

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comes out and hits two or three 
shots right away. 

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You're like, well, why was he 
out there? 

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Now? 
The flip side is cop, has done a

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lot of little things throughout 
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This year that I think have 
contributed positively to 

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victories. 
He was a key cog in the 

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Machinery. 
Not so much in terms of his 

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scoring against Ohio State, but 
he picked up four rebounds. 

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He had an assist in that game, 
you know, you look at a game 

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like trying to give another good
example here. 

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He was obviously a key part of 
of that Syracuse game that 

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Indiana almost won. 
He played pretty well in, you 

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know, in certain aspects of 
things against Minnesota. 

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He had two offensive rebounds to
go along with two defensive 

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rebounds and two assists in that
game. 

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But, you know, I am a little bit
disappointed. 

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Just in as much as with what 
he's done over the course of his

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career in the Big Ten. 
I was hoping that the, you know,

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the slightly more defined role 
in the more restricted role. 

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He played a lot of minutes at 
Northwestern the last two years 

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about 80% of minute. 
His sophomore year played 78 

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percent of minutes last year and
you know, he struggled on 

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offense last year, but he was 
still able to contribute, you 

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know, for a guy that shoots 
ninety five and a half percent 

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from the free-throw line. 
Why can't he do more things to 

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get himself to the free-throw 
line? 

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And he's 21 to 22 on the season 
stuff like that. 

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So, you know, I was expecting 
him, I guess to get more 

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integrated, it Indiana's 
offensive attack because he's 

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got skills shooting the ball. 
All that Indiana could utilize 

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but he's just not taking 
advantage of opportunities. 

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He's not he's not putting 
himself in the flow of things. 

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Same thing with Parker Stewart. 
Mind you, I feel the same way 

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about both of these guys to me. 
We need to see more of them 

447
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doing things in games on offense
because that's really what they 

448
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,400
are able to contribute. 
Yeah. 

449
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,300
I mean the the only thing that 
I'll end this with is and this 

450
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,900
is not towards you but I think 
towards some people who you 

451
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:58,900
know, when we look at these 
fifth, you get the same thing 

452
00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:00,900
with with, you know income. 
Freshman. 

453
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,500
You suddenly want them to fill 
all of these holes and do things

454
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,400
they didn't do. 
Like again, you know, Miller cop

455
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,400
is shooting better from 3 than 
he did last year at Northwestern

456
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,500
a little bit lower than he did 
his sophomore year. 

457
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,400
His two point percentage is 
slightly less. 

458
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,200
But, you know, his defense to 
your point. 

459
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,600
That the defensive rebounding 
percentage is actually the best 

460
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,600
of his career evolved as 
offensive. 

461
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,000
Rebounding. 
Percentage is pretty much kind 

462
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,200
of where it's been his whole 
career. 

463
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,000
Like he's actually doing exactly
what he did in Northwestern. 

464
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,300
He's doing it here. 
The only thing to your point, Is

465
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:34,300
he's not getting to the line as 
much, but it's only by a slight 

466
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:37,700
percentage, you'll percentage 
point, and he's also using about

467
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,400
five percent less possessions a 
game. 

468
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,800
So maybe that's it. 
But, you know, this is where 

469
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,300
he's basically doing what he did
in Northwestern. 

470
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:46,700
And I think this is where we get
in the fallacy as we see these 

471
00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:48,800
guys like, oh, like he's got 
this set of skills. 

472
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,900
It's going to be awesome. 
We plug them in and he's also 

473
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:54,100
going to do X, Y and Z, which 
she's never shown of doing. 

474
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,100
And I think that's where the 
trouble with the expectation of 

475
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,700
cop is that they people are 
expecting him to suddenly, you 

476
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,100
know, go, A line or be a 
distributor or do things that 

477
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,100
like he just doesn't do it 
really. 

478
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:06,800
Like he's having a slightly 
better year than we had last 

479
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,700
year at Northwestern. 
And we're disappointed because I

480
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,900
think we were expecting things, 
he doesn't do. 

481
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:12,200
Well. 
I think part of it though is 

482
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,200
like you could look at for 
instance, Alfonso plumber on 

483
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,400
Illinois who two years at Utah, 
you know, he was a pretty good 

484
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,900
three-point shooter. 
You know, he shot, good 

485
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,500
percentage at volume. 
You think it was 38 percent last

486
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:27,200
year. 
He's coming to Illinois and he 

487
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,700
uses, you know, he's not using a
As many possessions as he used 

488
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:35,000
at Utah, but he is I think being
a lot more effective with those 

489
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,300
possessions. 
He's shooting the ball better 

490
00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:39,200
and he's going to end up. 
I think shooting more threes. 

491
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,100
Then he shot last year. 
It's like well, is this just as 

492
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:44,900
it a utilization issue or is it 
a situation where the player is 

493
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:49,600
kind of holding themselves back?
So I don't know what the answer.

494
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,000
I think it's an interesting 
question. 

495
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,700
I do think that a lot of the new
guys are getting unfairly 

496
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,300
criticized. 
I do agree with you on that. 

497
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:58,300
I think Xavier Johnson's 
probably the one that gets the 

498
00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:02,000
most unfairly criticized but 
Miller cop and Parker Stewart, 

499
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800
kind of fall into that category,
but I think it's different 

500
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,400
people criticize Xavier Johnson 
because he does too much in 

501
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,600
their eyes, and they criticize 
cop and Stewart, because they 

502
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,100
don't do enough. 
So, if we could, if we could 

503
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:18,300
dial one down slightly and dial 
to up, I think we'd be at, you 

504
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,900
know, that, that's that perfect 
spot, but we're not quite there 

505
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,900
yet. 
Anyway, cops in a tough spot, 

506
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:25,600
because he's a bit of a slow 
starter, but then he's also 

507
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,900
like, just out of the rotation 
for the last 10 minutes. 

508
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,800
So it's like, he's kind of, it's
like, you can't I have both and 

509
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,700
I'm not saying he should be in 
the rotation at the end of the 

510
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:35,300
game, but he's not in the 
closing line up. 

511
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:36,600
But again, you're also a slow 
starter. 

512
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,500
So it's like that's not a great 
recipe to make to make. 

513
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,600
Hay. 
While the sun shines question 

514
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,300
from one of our listeners, 
curious your thoughts on Rob 

515
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,700
fennessy, having the worst 
offensive rating on the team 

516
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:52,600
other than Christian Lander and 
it's not even close. 

517
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,800
I noticed the only played three 
second, half minutes against 

518
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,700
Nebraska with little reliable 
guard play. 

519
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:00,000
As I, you just going to have to 
play in many ways to bolster the

520
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Fence, so if you listen to our 
assembly, call broadcast last 

521
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,000
night, you heard me go in on 
this and just to rehash. 

522
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,400
What I said yesterday, because I
think it's important that we 

523
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,200
establish this. 
Like, first of all, I don't get 

524
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,700
any pleasure out of talking 
about this, but the reality is 

525
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,100
Rob Fitness. 
He's having among the worst 

526
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:24,000
offensive Seasons that we've 
seen from a player that gets 

527
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,900
decent minutes in a long, long 
time. 

528
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,700
I mean, Christian land. 
Our last year, barely over. 20% 

529
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:33,200
of minutes. 
Played had a really really bad 

530
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,900
offensive. 
Rating of 69 .7 finish. 

531
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:39,200
See this year's at eighty one 
point seven after that game 

532
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,700
yesterday. 
If you go by the Ken pom ratings

533
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,100
and even if you look at torvik, 
which is free. 

534
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:46,700
And I know a lot of you like to 
look at the torvik site for this

535
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:48,500
and you should because it's a 
really good site. 

536
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,800
I mean, you you look through all
of the players and you know, 

537
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,400
what torvik does is basically 
try to provide an example. 

538
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,600
Like not just of offensive 
rating but also total Tribution 

539
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,500
across a wide variety of 
statistics and the two worst 

540
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,800
players on the team right now, 
or the three really are Bates, 

541
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,600
Lander and fennessy Bates. 
Yeah. 

542
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,400
I think there's a lot of things 
going on there with, you know, 

543
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
personal situation, and just 
kind of his overall kind of 

544
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,100
settling in as a freshman 
Lander. 

545
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:21,300
We know, has been injured and is
also at his struggles. 

546
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,400
But fantasy was somebody that we
talked about before the year is 

547
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,400
really hoping that he could take
a leap forward. 

548
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:32,000
And at the very least, maybe 
slightly, Improve on what he was

549
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,300
doing last year for this team 
and instead it's gone. 

550
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,800
The other direction. 
I mean, Rob is he's playing 

551
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,400
fewer minutes, then he played 
last year, but he's got a 

552
00:27:42,408 --> 00:27:44,700
significantly worse. 
Offensive rating. 

553
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:46,800
His shooting is significantly 
worse. 

554
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200
I mean, last year, for the 
season, his effective field goal

555
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,400
percentage, which for those of 
you who remember takes three 

556
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,100
pointers into account by 
counting them. 

557
00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:57,600
By up basically one and a half 
shots. 

558
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,900
His effective field goal writing
last year was Excuse me, his 

559
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:04,800
effective field goal percentage.
Last year was 41 percent this 

560
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,100
year. 
It's 36 percent and almost all 

561
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:10,500
of that fall off, has come from 
to Point Land as opposed to 

562
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:15,800
three point land where he's only
shooting 30.6% from to so far on

563
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,300
the season. 
To answer the question. 

564
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,600
That was asked. 
Ultimately, I you doesn't have 

565
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,300
options at the guard position 
that can work. 

566
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800
I mean I the people that say 
we'll play tomorrow Bates at 

567
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600
guard know like that. 
You want to talk about a bad 

568
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,300
recipe there Bates is still 
trying to get his head together 

569
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:42,200
as a two or you know, somebody 
on the wing trying to put him in

570
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,200
a position where he's making 
decisions where the basketballs 

571
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,400
going. 
He's not ready, you know, Trey 

572
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Galloway. 
We're seeing the yin and the 

573
00:28:48,808 --> 00:28:51,000
Yang of Galloway because he 
obviously came in and 

574
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000
contributed greatly. 
Against Ohio State, but he still

575
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,800
makes a lot of bad decisions 
with the basketball. 

576
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800
He gets himself up in the air 
with no, where to go. 

577
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,400
You know, he's still trying to 
fix those parts of his game. 

578
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,000
He's better than he was last 
year, but he's still struggling 

579
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
with that and Lander. 
As we've said when he is 

580
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,400
healthy, has been a turnover 
machine like nobody else on the 

581
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,400
team. 
So you are stuck. 

582
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,900
Essentially at point guard with 
either playing Xavier Johnson 

583
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,800
who's got a cap of about 27. 28 
minutes that he can effectively 

584
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,000
play a game or playing Rob 
fantasy, and I think what you I 

585
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,700
noticed the same thing. 
That the person asking the 

586
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:28,400
question noticed, which was that
Rob was basically gone for most 

587
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,300
of that second half. 
And I think I'd have to 

588
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:36,300
anticipate the reason for it was
his offense is a mess and last 

589
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:37,500
night. 
His defense wasn't good enough 

590
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:39,000
to make up for the lack of 
offense. 

591
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,900
There have been games with Rob 
where his offense has 

592
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,600
surprisingly showed up. 
I mean, obviously the Minnesota 

593
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200
game, he scored what 13 points 
in that game. 

594
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Even the Penn State game? 
I thought was A pretty good game

595
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,800
for Rob. 
Overall. 

596
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,000
He had, you know, he had the 
three at a couple of shots from 

597
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,200
two that went in. 
But last night was a game that 

598
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,900
you just couldn't have robbed on
the floor and you were forced to

599
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:09,300
towards the end but it wasn't a 
good thing in that his man 

600
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,900
scored on him a couple of times 
and he just he had trouble being

601
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,000
in the right position and he 
couldn't provide anything 

602
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200
offensively. 
I don't know what the fix is 

603
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,700
here. 
I mean, I think Mike Woodson has

604
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:21,400
managed this situation about as 
well as he can. 

605
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,300
He's given Rob. 
Opportunities after, you know, 

606
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,600
after not executing to come in 
and execute. 

607
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,200
He's consistently, put him in 
the lineup. 

608
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,200
When he's been hot. 
He's played him minutes, you 

609
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,500
know, there hasn't been a game 
since he came back from those 

610
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:42,300
three games out in November, 
where he hasn't played at least 

611
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:45,200
13 minutes, and in most games, 
he's playing somewhere around 20

612
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,700
to 22. 
And yet his offensive 

613
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:50,400
performance has not gotten 
better since the season started 

614
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:54,200
so, Unfortunately, I think 
Indiana is kind of backed into a

615
00:30:54,208 --> 00:30:57,600
corner with its backcourt play. 
And, unless somebody Rises to 

616
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,200
the Forefront out of that group 
of fennessy, Galloway and 

617
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,900
Lander, and really demonstrates 
that they can contribute 

618
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,400
effectively on both sides of the
ball. 

619
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,500
You're going to be stuck with 
these games where Rob is just 

620
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,300
incapable of helping on offense.
His defense has to be Dynamite 

621
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,300
on in those games. 
And unfortunately, last night 

622
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,700
was not one of those games. 
Yeah, I mean it's it's it's 

623
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:23,800
bummer because even going into 
this year, you know, one of my 

624
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,100
thoughts was this was an area 
that you could have real 

625
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,100
Improvement that you know, maybe
one of Fitness these problems. 

626
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:33,700
I brought this up on the on the 
preseason podcast was maybe it 

627
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:36,800
was Archie Archie Archie is 
offensive system was in Rob's 

628
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,400
head and being able to just play
free under you know, a coach 

629
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
like Woodson would allow him to 
kind of get some of these 

630
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
shackles off. 
But everything you said is 

631
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,600
dead-on and I think it comes 
from a point where like most IU 

632
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,600
fans. 
We we want to see Rob succeed. 

633
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,100
Like there's a real like I want 
to see this guy do well and I'm 

634
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,400
in that camp but you're right 
like the numbers just don't back

635
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400
it up and you know, his defense 
is good but offensive ly. 

636
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,200
It's like, what? 
I'm going to go through some 

637
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,600
other players. 
I know you did a great 

638
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
statistical breakdown and also 
last night on the assembly 

639
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,300
called, go back and listen to 
it. 

640
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,800
You were Dynamite with the 
numbers, but some other guards, 

641
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,200
just in the recent history, who 
kind of driven fans nuts at 

642
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,900
times for different reasons, but
you look at a guy. 

643
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,600
Robert Johnson, whose turnover 
percentage was still his senior 

644
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,300
year still lower 19.3, percent 
turnover, assisted turnover 

645
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,900
rate, not great. 
But you know, Rob Johnson shot 

646
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:32,300
38% from 34 his career, you know
right now finishes shooting 29% 

647
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,800
from 34 his career the season, 
he's shooting 27%. 

648
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200
You look at a guy like Al 
Durham, his turnover rate is 

649
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,500
picking being I'm not going 
through all these stats here, 

650
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,800
but Al Durham, you know, didn't 
have great turn over to assist 

651
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,600
ratio. 
But again, Career 34%, 

652
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,200
three-point shooter got the line
was a career, you know, 78% 

653
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,200
free-throw shooter, you know, 
Rob also gets the line below, 65

654
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,400
percent from the free-throw 
line. 

655
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400
That's not good, you know, 
Devante green who drove people 

656
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,100
bunkers his senior year. 
His assist River rate was only 

657
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,100
17.4%, not great, but still 
better than Rob is this year. 

658
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,700
And you know, Devante green was 
a volume shooter. 

659
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,400
Still shot 37% for his career 
from three thirty five percent 

660
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,700
of senior year. 
If he was a 71 percent free 

661
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,200
throw shooter. 
And again, I'm sure Cherry 

662
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400
picking numbers here, but the 
trouble is like offensively. 

663
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,100
It's like, I don't know. 
What, what is the thing Rob can 

664
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,700
bring, and your point is dead 
on. 

665
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,500
We need his help. 
Like, this is the real, travesty

666
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,800
is like, if he could just 
improve it, just a slight 

667
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,500
amount, just kind of be a level 
below. 

668
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:38,500
Rob Johnson, and Devonte green, 
and Alder. 

669
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,500
Mmm. 
There'll be tons, more playtime 

670
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,000
for him. 
Like we need more of that backup

671
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,100
point guard, but he's not even 
at those levels. 

672
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,400
And again, like, it's Mean to 
me, what you look at it, like a 

673
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:55,000
career 29%, three-point shooter.
Like it's just it's it's tough. 

674
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,600
But again, we are four years in 
like, take covid out of it. 

675
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,600
And we'd be, you know, ten games
left in his career. 

676
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,900
He might get one year more year 
based on the covid thing, but 

677
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:08,300
for it's very abnormal at this 
point in a career for someone to

678
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,800
change who they are and it's 
probably more abnormal for 

679
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,400
someone like this. 
Who's unfortunately, the trend 

680
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,800
line is kind of stable or going 
down. 

681
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,100
We had some questions in. 
In relation to this James, 

682
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:23,100
Turner, Crimson cast, 260 
co-host of crimson cash is 

683
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:24,699
Xavier. 
Actually, you know, I'm going to

684
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,000
say that. 
That's a different question. 

685
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,500
My bad. 
They've question related to Rob.

686
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,000
So this has been Evan deal. 
Should Lander get Rob's minutes 

687
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,500
on nights when Rob looks iffy? 
Know? 

688
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,900
I think again, we keep coming 
back to this if people keep 

689
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:42,300
asking this question and how do 
you rob has struggled greatly? 

690
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,600
But how do you take Rob out and 
put a guy in who in the minutes 

691
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,500
that he's played? 
Has a forty percent turnover 

692
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:51,300
rate on possessions that he 
uses. 

693
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:55,500
I mean, that's, that's absurd, 
that's a huge number and, you 

694
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,100
know, Lander in the, in the 
minutes that he asked why this 

695
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,600
isn't, this isn't, you know, 
it's not prorated or something. 

696
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,400
This is based upon Apples to 
Apples minutes, comparison. 

697
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Landers got a worse, offensive 
rating, and frankly, just from 

698
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,800
the eye test, is pretty is 
pretty bad defensively to, so 

699
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,200
that's not the answer. 
I think if you're going to 

700
00:35:13,207 --> 00:35:17,000
really make a change in terms of
rotation, you have to say, Say, 

701
00:35:17,008 --> 00:35:19,600
well, we're going to make Trey 
Galloway the backup point guard,

702
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:21,400
but that's not. 
What would some likes to do. 

703
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,000
If you'll notice what Woodson 
tries to do is instead of 

704
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,100
putting robbed in a position 
where he's not playing at all. 

705
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,400
He'd rather have robbed at the 
to and have Galloway or Johnson 

706
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,600
out there running point. 
If it's a situation where he's 

707
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,400
trying to get multiple guards 
out there to give his wing 

708
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,300
players or his post players. 
Some rest. 

709
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,400
It's not a good solution. 
I think, honestly, I feel bad 

710
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,800
for Woody in this situation 
because his play Just need to 

711
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,800
play better like, like a be 
finished. 

712
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,200
He just has to like play better 
Lander has to play better. 

713
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,700
We don't know what's going on in
practice. 

714
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:57,900
But what we see in the games, I 
think, is an accurate reflection

715
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:02,900
of what Woodson has to deal with
and what he has at his disposal,

716
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:04,800
and it is inadequate in the 
backcourt. 

717
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,700
And I think Tamar Bates fits 
into this as well like to some 

718
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,900
degree. 
If you could rely on Trey 

719
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,800
Galloway as a backup point guard
and you could rely on tomorrow 

720
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Bates as the backup to, I don't 
think you'd have a concern. 

721
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,800
With what fantasy was doing, but
you haven't been able to rely on

722
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,600
either of those players either. 
And so that creates a situation 

723
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,500
where you have to play Rob and 
you just have to hope that Rob 

724
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:31,200
has his head in the game. 
And unfortunately offensively, I

725
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,000
we we talked about this before 
the season. 

726
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,900
We got you. 
Remember, Jared asking some 

727
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,600
questions on the preview podcast
that we did about? 

728
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:39,900
What kind of role is Rob 
Fitness. 

729
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,500
You going to play Tada? 
I said at the time, I don't 

730
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,600
think he's going to get enough 
minutes to make a huge 

731
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,000
difference on. 
He's The minutes but he's not 

732
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600
making a difference. 
And if anything I think his lack

733
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,400
of offensive contributions 
combined with the inability for 

734
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,400
his defense to make up for the 
lack of Ovens of contributions 

735
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,900
is really created a set of 
problems that this team 

736
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:03,000
struggles to solve at times. 
And I'm not trying to I'm not 

737
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,900
pinning it all on Rob. 
Don't don't get me wrong. 

738
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,600
But if you're going to play 40 
percent of available minutes, 

739
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,800
you got to do better than only 
scoring eight tenths of a point 

740
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,800
per possession that you use. 
You just have to is Duncan. 

741
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:20,500
Eventually more useful this year
than Michael dirr know. 

742
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:25,600
I would say, Duncan hasn't 
here's the thing, and I think 

743
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,100
it's important for us all to 
keep in mind. 

744
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:32,100
We have a tendency as fans 
sometimes to look at the whole 

745
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:35,900
roster and say, oh, well, this 
person hasn't played that much, 

746
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:38,600
but surely, they're better than 
this person that's playing, and 

747
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,300
I think you got to keep in mind,
two things. 

748
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,900
One, the coaching staff sees 
these guys every day in 

749
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:48,200
practice, Michael dirr, is a 
player that has Division 1 

750
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,700
experience. 
He has sighs. 

751
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:54,800
He has physicality. 
He's not a big 10 starting 

752
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,300
caliber player, but he's a guy 
who can give you, you know, 

753
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,000
probably six to eight minutes, 
maybe 10 if you really need him,

754
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000
but Logan dunk him hasn't shown 
anything at this point. 

755
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,200
He, I mean he is clearly the 
last man on the bench for this 

756
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Indiana team and I don't think 
that it's accidental that we 

757
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,300
haven't seen him that much. 
I mean, you have a different 

758
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:18,000
take on this. 
Water, would you agree? 

759
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,000
No. 
No, I'll sorry. 

760
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
I don't mean to jump in there. 
I don't know. 

761
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,300
The three questions were all 
connected. 

762
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:27,700
No, I think this is. 
This is the end result of 

763
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:31,200
Indiana fans, kind of coming in 
over the last 15 years. 

764
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,100
And being put into a blender of 
how you deal with a coaching 

765
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,500
staff and we're kind of stuck 
with some of this. 

766
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,700
Now, what I mean by that is when
you and I grew up at hate to be 

767
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,100
old man Caulfield here, but when
you and I grew up, you know, we 

768
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,800
lived in the bob, Knight era, 
where we trusted the coach. 

769
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,900
That was based on three national
championships. 

770
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,800
Heated team, but I was kind of 
looking at you know, rosters 

771
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,500
like we're in college. 
Like you never saw articles in 

772
00:38:52,508 --> 00:38:55,100
the IDS like about you know, she
Luke gimenez. 

773
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,100
We starting over Michael Lewis, 
like no like we just we knew 

774
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,500
that the roster was set. 
We knew the guys were in places 

775
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,800
or supposed to be. 
We trusted the coach, you know, 

776
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,300
but you get you know over time 
like in the crane are you had a 

777
00:39:07,308 --> 00:39:10,100
lot of talk about like all these
guys are great in practice with 

778
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,800
deflections and they don't show 
it in the game and fans were 

779
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,300
like, what kind of what's going 
on here and then, you know, it's

780
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:18,100
funny in the Archie era. 
We almost kind of turned it 

781
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,500
around where like I felt like I 
was being beat over the head of 

782
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,600
like you just got to give this 
system time. 

783
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,100
Like just trust that the 
coaching staff knows what 

784
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,500
they're doing. 
And it's like we all kind of got

785
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,200
to a point. 
We trusted too much and it's 

786
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,000
like, you know, at some point do
we need to win some games or 

787
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600
like just keep trusting that 
pack lines going to be good. 

788
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,400
And now it's like we flipped 
around again where it's like, 

789
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,600
well now we don't trust 
anything. 

790
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,800
We see and to your point. 
It's like let's let's give Coach

791
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Woodson some of the benefit of 
the doubt that he knows what 

792
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,300
he's doing. 
And let's Trust that this lineup

793
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:49,900
is set up in a way, and I'll 
sing. 

794
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:53,000
This is partially an issue with 
an IU fan base. 

795
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,400
That just not used to dealing 
with getting five-star recruits 

796
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,600
and they're not all Zion 
Williamson, like it, just not. 

797
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,400
And so, yes, Christian Lander 
was Mark, a five-star recruit by

798
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,600
some Services. 
I've said this before five-star 

799
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,600
recruits. 
Don't become not all them become

800
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,700
starters, not all of them go to 
the NBA like maybe christianly 

801
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,300
under will one day. 
I hope for his sake he does but 

802
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:16,900
you know, there's a long history
of five. 

803
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,100
Stars who didn't play great in 
college and they're not all 

804
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,300
going to become great players 
that we love to tout Oladipo. 

805
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:26,700
I do to the reverse of this 
happens two and three star guys 

806
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:29,700
turn into great players. 
And so I think we have a lot of 

807
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,100
things kind of Confluence in 
here at once where it's and I 

808
00:40:32,107 --> 00:40:34,600
also, I think you have fans who 
are just like we got to have a 

809
00:40:34,607 --> 00:40:37,400
better option of point guards. 
Like we don't, it's not a viable

810
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,600
option. 
He's not worth discussing, but I

811
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,800
think it's funny how so many 
fans were kind of willing to 

812
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,200
give Archie benefit of the doubt
for four years. 

813
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,600
And now it's like We need to 
give that benefit of the doubt 

814
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,300
to coach. 
What's that? 

815
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,900
He understands what he's doing, 
and he understands he's seeing 

816
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,500
these guys in practice and I'm 
not saying we always have to 

817
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:56,600
give understanding all the time 
24/7. 

818
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,300
But at this point it's like 
trust that Woodson knows who's 

819
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,400
good and who's not, and if he's 
not playing guys over and over 

820
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,000
again. 
There's probably a reason I put 

821
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,900
a Emilio in that category for 
me. 

822
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,500
Like I love his shooting ability
as a theory, but I'm not like 

823
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,000
overly pissed and he's not play 
more, because I'm assuming that 

824
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,100
it's in practice, his defensive 
ability, his inability to get 

825
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,100
his own shot, his wife. 
He's not playing, like, I'm not 

826
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,300
thinking like Woodson, just 
like, why can't you see the 

827
00:41:20,308 --> 00:41:22,000
shooting? 
I see in the 12 seconds. 

828
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,300
I watch warm-ups. 
Like I'm sure there's a lot of 

829
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:27,100
reasons, Anthony Leo's not 
playing and he needs to get 

830
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:28,600
better at certain things where 
he'll play more. 

831
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,800
Do we had a related question to 
this from Bob Rathbun? 

832
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,900
The fan narrative around IU, 
basketball feels so - and at 

833
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,200
times unfair to the first year 
coaching staff /. 

834
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,500
New players. 
Stepping back, is this team 

835
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,800
performing differently than 
preseason expectations, and the 

836
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,400
answer is no, I would argue. 
I think this team has one more 

837
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,600
loss right now that I would have
projected that they would have 

838
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,900
had at the beginning of the 
season. 

839
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:55,700
I didn't project that. 
They were going to lose at Penn 

840
00:41:55,700 --> 00:42:00,300
State that's looking like less 
of a bad loss. 

841
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,700
Every every week now, I mean 
that, that Penn State team, are 

842
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:05,100
they going to make the NCAA 
tournament? 

843
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:09,000
No, but they've been really 
competitive in a bunch of games.

844
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,600
I mean, they, you know, and look
Indiana should have won that 

845
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,600
game. 
I think actually Indiana played 

846
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,800
better than what the final 
result indicates. 

847
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,900
Add in that game, but every 
other game, I went back and 

848
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,700
looked at my preseason 
projections every game. 

849
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,000
I projected them to win. 
They've won every except for 

850
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,500
that one, everything that I 
projected them to lose so far. 

851
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,400
They lost right now. 
They're on track for a season 

852
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:38,300
that will be, you know, roughly.
I would say 20 and 10 and 11 and

853
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:43,100
9 or 21. + 9 + 12 + 8, which is 
about where we thought they 

854
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,300
would be. 
And I think it's pretty much 

855
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,400
what this roster dictates. 
This roster has a potential 

856
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,500
wooden award candidate, you 
know, an All-American caliber 

857
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:56,500
player, and Trace Jackson Davis 
has some good role players and 

858
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:58,600
has a bunch of question marks 
and a bunch of guys who have 

859
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,900
incomplete games or limited 
games. 

860
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:08,500
And so, you know to me I've yet 
even, you know, even that Iowa 

861
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:11,400
game. 
Yes, they lost the lead and they

862
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,400
gave it away on the road. 
And in fashion that I guess we 

863
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,600
would consider embarrassing. 
I didn't find any of that 

864
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,500
surprising and before the game 
Indiana was projected to lose 

865
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:22,500
that game on the road and they 
did. 

866
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,500
So to me. 
Yes, I could be upset with some 

867
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,100
of the things that they did to 
lose the game in the game. 

868
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:31,400
But the reality is everything 
they've done so far. 

869
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,500
With the exception of the Penn 
State game is right in line with

870
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:36,200
what I thought. 
And I do think that Woodson. 

871
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,300
I think the overall atmosphere 
around the program is pretty bad

872
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,700
from fans from media in general 
because there's just so Little 

873
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,100
patience. 
And I get it. 

874
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:52,700
I mean look, this is this is the
byproduct of, really not having 

875
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:57,400
fielded a team that you could 
feel good about from beginning 

876
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,900
of the season to the end of the 
season. 

877
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:03,100
Since 2013. 
That was the last that that 2012

878
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,000
2013 team. 
Yes, 2016, Indiana won the Big 

879
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,900
Ten people. 
Forget, people gave up on that 

880
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:12,900
team when they played in Maui 
that year, they lost two out of 

881
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:14,700
the three games. 
They started poorly people 

882
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,200
expected cream to get fired. 
Like by December of that year, 

883
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,900
they surprisingly turned it 
around and it was like a 

884
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,700
feel-good story and instead of 
building on that. 

885
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,800
They went right back to missing 
the NCAA tournament. 

886
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,200
The following year. 
He had you know, the full four 

887
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,500
years of the Archie Miller 
experience and it was very 

888
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:35,500
disappointing and people are not
in the mood to give this coach 

889
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,200
and this staff and this group of
players are particularly the new

890
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,900
players, the benefit of the 
doubt. 

891
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:45,800
And there's not much you can do 
about it other than just realize

892
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,600
that. 
People are not going to be 

893
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,100
satisfied until Indiana's 
playing at a higher level. 

894
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,700
It's not fair. 
But this is where the program is

895
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:58,600
out right now, and I don't know 
what the answer is for that 

896
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,900
other than stop getting on 
Twitter because you're just not 

897
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:06,300
going to escape it anywhere 
else, and Twitter just happens 

898
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:08,600
to be a place. 
And, you know, so other social 

899
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,500
media to a lesser extent, where 
people are going to vent their 

900
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:15,000
frustrations, even if they're 
not necessarily, if it's not 

901
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,900
Woodson's fault, or if it's you 
Do you know the not saying that 

902
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,600
Woodson isn't without criticism,
but I also think a lot of the 

903
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,000
criticism has been a bit 
over-the-top and is entirely 

904
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600
colored by what we've seen the 
last seven or eight years. 

905
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,600
Yeah, I mean it's funny, you 
know my prediction beginning of 

906
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,600
the year and you can go back and
check it was we're going to fit 

907
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,900
it. 
You know, I think we'll finish 

908
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:39,400
5th to 7th in the Big Ten and 
we'll make the NCAA tournament 

909
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:42,100
as it sits right now. 
We're seventh in the Big Ten and

910
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,700
it's a very tight window right 
there. 

911
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,900
But we're seven the Big Ten. 
And in the last Bracketology 

912
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,900
going off, ESPN's, if you look 
into the of Mike, we're in nine 

913
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:51,400
seats. 
So we're solidly in the 

914
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,100
tournament and I must do, I'm as
guilty of this as anybody else. 

915
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:57,400
I look at that as like, okay, 
but we still gotta Play Purdue 

916
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,300
Michigan, you know, the next 
five days, like, alright, well, 

917
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,600
let's, let's wait and see how 
those games gonna. 

918
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,700
I feel like I've been talking to
people about this. 

919
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:07,000
You know, I remember at the 
Crossroad classic talking to a 

920
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,300
lot of people and that was, you 
know, coming off of the loss to 

921
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:11,800
Syracuse in. 
Wisconsin, you know it both 

922
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,800
20-point down and losing a 
20-point lead and people are 

923
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,600
like, oh my God, what do you 
know how you feel about? 

924
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,300
What's it now? 
And I was at that time, I was 

925
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:21,800
saying like I'm nervous but 
we're still on track to finish, 

926
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,400
fifth to seventh of the Big Ten.
We're still on track to make the

927
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,800
tournament like those those two 
losses didn't derail. 

928
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
That and then after we lost a 
Penn State, I talked to some 

929
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,800
friends and they were, you know,
oh my gosh, we lost a Penn 

930
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,400
State, like this is the end and 
it's like, you know, I was like,

931
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,500
yeah, it's going to be tough. 
I think I said this podcast, you

932
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,500
know, Ohio State Minnesota, two 
home games. 

933
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:40,600
We got to make some. 
Hay, but at that point, I was 

934
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,300
still telling me we're still at 
this point. 

935
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:44,100
We are still on track to make 
the tournament. 

936
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:47,100
We're still on track to finish 
that 527 range and you know, 

937
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,800
similarly as we sit here now the
Iowa lost like you said, we were

938
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,200
projected to lose it as we sit 
here. 

939
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,900
Now, we're kind of in a similar 
spot to before that, Ohio State 

940
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:58,800
Minnesota, run, like, Like we 
have two tough games at home or 

941
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,300
three of you three games at home
to a pretty tough. 

942
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:03,300
You would assume with Michigan 
and assuming they're playing. 

943
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,800
But as it stands right now, 
we're still on track to finish. 

944
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,300
Fifth 27, the big tent, we're 
still on track to make the NCAA 

945
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:10,800
tournament. 
So I'm with you. 

946
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,700
I I'm also, you know, game to 
game unhappy. 

947
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:16,600
I'm not the Iowa game. 
I was pissed. 

948
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,100
I was throwing stuff in the 
Syracuse game, but when you take

949
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:21,500
a step back, we're still on 
track to meet the goals that I 

950
00:47:21,508 --> 00:47:24,800
had for this season, and I do 
think it's a little bit curious,

951
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,400
how I get it. 
It's been a long 20 years, we 

952
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,900
want we want it to happen. 
Now. 

953
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,200
We look at other programs. 
Like it's got to be happening 

954
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,300
faster. 
But you know, it is curious that

955
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,800
were, you know, we're not there.
And you know, it is funny. 

956
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,000
People are looking at, you know,
Ben Johnson and Minnesota like, 

957
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,400
you know, they were off to a 
great start. 

958
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,800
They've lost four in a row like 
they're 15 and the Big 10, 

959
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,200
they're 10 and 5. 
Now how you feel about 

960
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,800
Minnesota's chances right now 
their 90th and Ken palm. 

961
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,400
And so for the people who are 
looking at that as like, oh my 

962
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,000
God, they're 10 and one first, 
your coach. 

963
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,500
Why can't we have that? 
Like, well, I'd rather be where 

964
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,600
we're at now. 
So some of this You have to let 

965
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,500
play out and I'm normally the 
one being told to step down off 

966
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,600
the ledge, but I would tell 
people now like we just we need 

967
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,300
a little bit of patience on this
and we are still you know, the 

968
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:12,100
torvik has kind of like the 
trajectory of a seasoning. 

969
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,600
We're still on track to make the
tournament and we're still on 

970
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,700
track to, you know, finish 5th. 
And 7th the Big Ten. 

971
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,100
The last thing I will say sorry,
is I'm going along here. 

972
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,800
But the last thing I'll say is 
people are like, oh we gotta get

973
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,600
some Road wins, like look at 
teams on the bubble every year 

974
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,000
for the Silly tournament like 
teams that have five or six or 

975
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,700
seven Great conference wins on 
the road. 

976
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:35,700
Like they're not on the bubble 
like they're in the tournament. 

977
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,000
Like look at the resumes of 
teams on the bubble. 

978
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,800
They suck like couple of years 
ago. 

979
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,800
We were going to make the 
tournament when covid hit like 

980
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,300
look at our record that year. 
We had the two Road wins. 

981
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,800
When was against Nebraska, like,
you can be really, you could 

982
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,900
basically win all your home 
games, drop a couple here and 

983
00:48:49,908 --> 00:48:53,300
there have to kind of what you 
would consider bad Road wins and

984
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,300
you're going to make the 
tournament. 

985
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,200
So anyway, yep. 
No, I agree with With all of 

986
00:48:57,207 --> 00:49:00,800
that couple things I will add on
to that really quickly. 

987
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,000
If you're looking for things to 
be optimistic about Indiana has 

988
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,200
the best defense in the Big Ten.
If you take the entirety of the 

989
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Season as played by all of the 
teams, they are 12th in the 

990
00:49:10,607 --> 00:49:14,900
country in defensive efficiency,
and it's a good conference for 

991
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:16,900
defense, has a bunch of teams in
the 20s. 

992
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,800
Indiana is the best over the 
course of the season in the 

993
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,200
conference. 
And even if you just look at 

994
00:49:21,207 --> 00:49:23,400
conference, only play because 
we've got a big enough sample 

995
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,300
size. 
Now, most every team has played 

996
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,300
six or seven games with 
Exception of like Michigan. 

997
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,800
Indiana is tied for the best 
conference only defensive 

998
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,100
efficiency with Illinois. 
They're both at 95.6 and 

999
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,600
Indiana's been slightly better 
in terms of opponent field goal 

1000
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,100
percentage. 
So, you know, this is the 

1001
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,100
promise that the Archie Miller 
era never actually delivered on 

1002
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,000
like you go back and look at for
you know, for as much as Archie 

1003
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,500
was defense for his defense 
first last year's team. 

1004
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:53,300
Finished 12th in the conference 
in defense. 

1005
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:55,900
The year before that team 
finished eighth in the 

1006
00:49:55,908 --> 00:49:58,900
conference ended. 
Defense the year before that. 

1007
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,900
They finished ninth in the 
conference in defense. 

1008
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:05,600
So you got to give Indiana some 
credit because within the 

1009
00:50:05,607 --> 00:50:08,900
confines of the conference and 
in comparison, this is a really 

1010
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,800
good defensive team and hey 
guess what offensively? 

1011
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,800
They're not great, but they're 
middle of the pack, their eighth

1012
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,900
in the conference and offense 
this year, you compare that to, 

1013
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,600
you know, last year they were 
also eighth in the conference, 

1014
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,100
which makes sense because you've
got similar players, but go back

1015
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,000
to previous years. 
They were 12th in the conference

1016
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,100
in offense and Me 20, they were 
11th in the conference, in 

1017
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,900
offense, in 2019. 
They were 10th in the conference

1018
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:34,200
and offense in 2018. 
My point is, there are 

1019
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,500
measurable. 
Improvements that Mike Woodson 

1020
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,300
and his coaching staff have been
able to execute with an 

1021
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,900
incomplete roster, a roster 
that's got a lot of 

1022
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:46,800
shortcomings. 
They've managed to figure out a 

1023
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,200
way to put themselves solidly in
the middle of the pack in 

1024
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200
offense and at the top of the 
Heap and defense and that 

1025
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,100
matters that is something. 
The other thing about the 

1026
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,700
defense just to be positive 
about like like you mentioned 

1027
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,600
we're first in the conference 
and that's with two guys in our 

1028
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,500
starting lineup in Miller cop 
and Parker Stewart who I would 

1029
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:08,000
not call a defensive specialist.
Like, you know over 30% you 

1030
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,900
starting lineup are guys who 
were just defenses not their 

1031
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,600
Forte and you have guys coming 
off the bench where you know, I 

1032
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,900
would say Jordan Geronimo and 
Trey Galloway are eager to be 

1033
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,000
good at defense but aren't there
yet. 

1034
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:21,800
And Tamar Bates is still 
learning. 

1035
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,300
So you have a team where it's 
like, well less than 50% of 

1036
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,200
them. 
I would consider a really good 

1037
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,800
defensive players. 
And so it's like we're still 

1038
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,400
first so imagine 23 years from 
now when you're getting guys in 

1039
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,000
that Woodson want you know that 
are full. 

1040
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,800
Total Woodson guys. 
Well, and my cuts will ask a 

1041
00:51:38,808 --> 00:51:40,800
question about Jordan Geronimo. 
We're not going to have fully 

1042
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,300
time to get into, but I will say
that, you know, Geronimo has 

1043
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:47,700
become the first player off the 
bench because of his defense 

1044
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,400
because of the energy that he 
brings particularly on that end.

1045
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,600
But also because he's not afraid
to shoot. 

1046
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,500
He seems confident and he's able
to grab rebounds like that. 

1047
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,900
The fact that Woodson has been 
able to cultivate him and he 

1048
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:02,600
showed flashes of it last year. 
I mean, let's let's, you know, 

1049
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,400
it's not all Woodson, but the 
fact that he's been able to 

1050
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,200
harness that relatively 
effectively and you look at 

1051
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,500
geronimo's overall contributions
on the season, you know, he's 

1052
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:17,200
here you're starting to see more
and more opportunities for him 

1053
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,300
to come in and contribute. 
A lot of it is very much 

1054
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,200
dependent on what's happening 
during a game. 

1055
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,100
And sometimes you need that. 
And I think last night was a 

1056
00:52:24,107 --> 00:52:26,100
good example. 
Sometimes it doesn't, it's not 

1057
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:29,200
as big I think Geronimo is going
to be big in this Purdue game 

1058
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,800
this week because he brings a 
factor that Purdue doesn't 

1059
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,900
necessarily have a good answer 
for, so it's going to be really 

1060
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:37,400
fascinating to watch that play 
out. 

1061
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,100
Anyway, last question that we 
are going to get to from our 

1062
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,000
friend Jared over at assembly 
call. 

1063
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,900
We're on the same page. 
That Indiana. 

1064
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,400
Absolutely can win on Thursday 
night. 

1065
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,800
Even if Purdue is rightly 
favorite and probably more 

1066
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,600
likely to win, but assuming I 
you does win, what's your best 

1067
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,700
description / projection for how
it will actually play out? 

1068
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,100
On the court. 
I'm going to let you answer this

1069
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:06,100
first Scott, and then I'll go. 
I think it's, I think, the way 

1070
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:09,900
that it plays out is very 
similar to the Ohio State game 

1071
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:14,200
where we just see our defense be
able to really put the clamps 

1072
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,400
down on a Purdue team. 
I don't think you're going to 

1073
00:53:18,408 --> 00:53:20,200
see us some you don't think 
you're going to see the kind of 

1074
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,000
window we had against Wisconsin 
or sorry. 

1075
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,500
Sorry Minnesota where you know, 
they just pack it in and let us 

1076
00:53:25,508 --> 00:53:27,100
shoot a bunch of Threes. 
We just go nuts from the 

1077
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:28,600
three-point line. 
It just doesn't feel like that's

1078
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,800
the Win. 
It Feels Like if we win. 

1079
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,900
It's going to be a Ohio State 
type win. 

1080
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:35,900
Our defense played that that 
defense, you look at the 

1081
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,200
defensive numbers against Ohio. 
State is just it's otherworldly 

1082
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,200
what we held them to and I think
that's what you're going to need

1083
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,600
to see, you know, and like we 
were just talking about this 

1084
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,200
team is going to win on defense,
you know, you're not going to 

1085
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,400
see offensive explosions. 
I don't think you can, you know,

1086
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,200
expect that. 
I think what you would see is 

1087
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,400
defense leading to kind of, you 
know, good offense, which is 

1088
00:53:55,408 --> 00:53:57,500
what you saw in Ohio State. 
There was a good defense, which 

1089
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:02,000
led to some nice fast breaks and
you really kind of stymied, Ohio

1090
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,200
State in to do. 
Doing things that they weren't 

1091
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,900
good at and just guys not 
playing effectively. 

1092
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,900
I think. 
Also, you know, what, we hope to

1093
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,100
see is what we kind of started 
to see in the Nebraska game is 

1094
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:18,800
just, you know, the bigs of 
Purdue, you know, Williams, Ed 

1095
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Lee, you know, getting into foul
trouble and Indiana. 

1096
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,500
Biggs not if you see. 
No, I mean even even eat ET is 

1097
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:28,300
there's no l in it. 
Sorry. 

1098
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,500
I was getting IV in the its 
pronunciation problems that I 

1099
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:36,000
have just Continue to have, but 
I think you see, you know, 

1100
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,900
Purdue getting into big man. 
Feel frontcourt, foul trouble 

1101
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,600
and Indiana. 
Not I think those are kind of 

1102
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,800
your paths to Victory. 
I think the crowds going to be 

1103
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,300
really good. 
You know, it's it is what it is.

1104
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:49,600
It Assembly Hall, it's going to 
be good. 

1105
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,700
If the game stays close that 
you're going to get a boost, 

1106
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:53,100
their this team plays better 
home. 

1107
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,400
We know all of that, but I think
those those would be the ways 

1108
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,300
that I see a path to Victory to 
me. 

1109
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:01,100
The big thing is Indiana has to 
score, like I just produce got 

1110
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:04,700
the best offense in the country.
They are the most efficient team

1111
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:11,000
and largely that is because 
Purdue does a marvelous job at 

1112
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,600
hitting the shots that they 
take. 

1113
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,600
I know that seems very 
straightforward, but they are 

1114
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,600
their fourth, and their fourth 
in the country. 

1115
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,900
In three-point field goal 
percentage their eighth in the 

1116
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:21,200
country and two point field goal
percentage. 

1117
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,100
They don't get their shots 
blocked and they get a lot of 

1118
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,800
offensive rebounds. 
So look, I think Indiana can do 

1119
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,700
some things defensively. 
They're they're going to be at a

1120
00:55:30,707 --> 00:55:33,700
disadvantage. 
If you know, Anytime. 

1121
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:37,500
Yeah, because obviously you've 
got Ed and you've got cherry on 

1122
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,900
Williams that are going to be in
there all 40 minutes. 

1123
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:44,400
So you're going to have to have 
lights out, defensive 

1124
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,500
performances from race, 
Thompson, from Trace, Jackson 

1125
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:52,000
Davis from Michael dirr when 
he's in from Jordan Geronimo, 

1126
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:55,500
and you know, you're going to 
have to figure out a way to make

1127
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:57,100
it. 
Let make life hard on Purdue 

1128
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,500
without fouling. 
And I think that's that's the 

1129
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:02,800
big question mark that I have 
for this IU team is what? 

1130
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:05,600
Their approach going to be to do
that, you know, if I mean 

1131
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,100
producer really well put 
together team but I think, you 

1132
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:12,900
know, we've seen some teams be 
able to have some success and 

1133
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:16,500
look Purdue also, as you know, 
can shoot badly in certain 

1134
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:18,500
games. 
They didn't shoot the ball 

1135
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:22,100
particularly. 
Well from long range in that 

1136
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:26,600
loss to Rutgers, you know, when 
they played Wisconsin, they they

1137
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,100
shot the ball. 
Pretty well from outside. 

1138
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:31,000
They didn't shoot the ball. 
Well, whatever, whatsoever from 

1139
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,900
inside, so can you emulate The 
style of defensive play that you

1140
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:37,700
know, they can go either 
direction there, but you can't 

1141
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:41,600
let them shoot well from both 
and I'd rather they shot well 

1142
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,700
from outside, I guess. 
Because even though that's a 

1143
00:56:44,707 --> 00:56:48,600
bigger momentum play. 
It doesn't rack up as many 

1144
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,200
points as you're going along. 
So offensively to me though. 

1145
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,400
The big story for Indiana is 
they have got to figure out a 

1146
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,700
way to consistently score. 
The can't go through these long 

1147
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,300
droughts. 
They can't have these whole 

1148
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:02,900
periods of time. 
Like we saw in the number. 

1149
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,000
The game where they just look 
like, they don't know what 

1150
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,400
they're doing offensively. 
And that's going to take 

1151
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,000
frankly. 
I think Miller cop and Parker 

1152
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Stewart hitting shots from 
outside. 

1153
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:16,800
Because if they can do that, 
that's going to open up the 

1154
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,500
inside, which will allow Trace 
Jackson. 

1155
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:21,600
Davis to do what he does. 
It allow race Thompson to clean 

1156
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,200
up on the glass. 
There's nothing special. 

1157
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,600
I was talking about this before.
A lot of this is motivation. 

1158
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,900
A lot of this is effort, a lot 
of this is Will and yes, Purdue 

1159
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:36,000
is a daunting team. 
Mmmmm, but IU has the capacity 

1160
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,700
to win this game, especially at 
home. 

1161
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:41,300
And a lot of it. 
I think is mentality, Indiana 

1162
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:43,400
has gotten themselves into 
positions against Purdue over 

1163
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,400
the course of the last several 
years where the mentality of 

1164
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,500
Purdue was stronger than the 
mentality of Indiana that has to

1165
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:54,100
be the first thing that changes 
so we can talk about all these 

1166
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:57,500
little individual elements But 
ultimately if Indiana comes out 

1167
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:02,800
and plays with a mentality like 
they played against Ohio State, 

1168
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:05,800
Going to have a really good 
chance at winning if they come 

1169
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,700
out and play like they played 
against Wisconsin or against 

1170
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:13,400
Penn State or Iowa. 
I don't think they're going to 

1171
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,200
win. 
Yeah. 

1172
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:18,600
Anyway, think that'll wrap it up
for us. 

1173
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000
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1181
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Anyway, Scott we got to run out 

1182
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,600
of time here, as always a 
pleasure, good talking to my 

1183
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,200
friend. 
Thanks to all of you who wrote 

1184
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,800
in with questions. 
We will we didn't get to all of 

1185
00:58:54,808 --> 00:58:55,600
them. 
I'm sorry. 

1186
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,300
We had a limited amount of time 
and we went over it by like 30 

1187
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,400
minutes. 
So even with that, it didn't 

1188
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,500
work. 
Anyway, we'll catch you folks on

1189
00:59:02,508 --> 00:59:04,800
the flip side, bring back the 
Bison, go Hoosiers. 

1190
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,500
So long, everybody.