1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,360 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Field Apparel. Welcome back folks. 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Galen Clavio joining you once again. 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,840 It is Friday the 10th of November and it is time to talk 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,680 some IU football, maybe a little more than that. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,600 As the Hoosiers coming off a big win last weekend as they knocked 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:39,120 off Wisconsin at home 20 to 14, they will be on the road this 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,560 week as they take on the Illinois Fighting Illini Big 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,680 game for this IU team. We've got Taylor Layman from 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,160 Bite Sized Bison joining us on the show. 11 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,080 Taylor, great to have you back. It's been a little while. 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,360 How you doing? Yeah, Yeah, good. 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,360 I'm good. Thanks for having me. 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:52,880 Galen. Yeah. 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,000 You. You in. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,240 I wanted to have you on last week and I was 6, so I'm glad 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,040 I'm able to join this week. 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Before we get to the IU game, we 60 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,520 got to cover what just happened in the Big 10 as the Big 10. 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,320 In in the Friday news, dumpiest of Friday news dumps but but 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,640 maybe with A twist on it, has announced that Jim Harbaugh will 63 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:20,480 be suspended from coaching on the sidelines for the remainder 64 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,640 of the regular season. And man, this thing has gone all 65 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,880 over the place. I mean, earlier this week, Tony 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,520 Petiti, the Big 10 commissioner, apparently went to Ann Arbor to 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,200 talk with the president of Michigan. 68 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Did not get satisfaction. I'm guessing in that 69 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,600 conversation. And then the Big 10 announces 70 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,520 while the Michigan plane is in the air on route to State 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,960 College that Jim Harbaugh, because of this sign stealing 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,280 scandal, is not going to be permitted to coach during the 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,280 game. He'll be able to coach during 74 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,400 the week, but not during the game. 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Which means, in addition to to that Jim Harbaugh has to spend, 76 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,120 I guess, the day in his hotel room in State College, which 77 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 sounds really boring. They are appealing though they 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:04,840 are. Well, but this week, right? 79 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,960 But it's veteran's day, which means there's. 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,000 I don't think they can file a court case because there's no 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,640 way no judge is going to hear it. 82 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,800 They're all on break today. That is so true. 83 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,560 I didn't even. Think about I didn't think about 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,640 it either, but yeah, they're trying the immediate injunction. 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,360 This is a fascinating story, and it the the coverage of it has 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,360 almost been worth its own separate Crimson Cast college 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,160 sports episode, which we might do if we get bored next week. 88 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,600 But Taylor, you've you've covered college football, you've 89 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,680 covered the Big 10. Well, we've talked about how 90 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,120 this has been an endlessly entertaining story. 91 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,320 For those of, you know, if you were a Michigan fan, I'm sure 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,760 it's not entertaining. But for all the rest of us, wow, 93 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,480 this has been the gift that has gotten me through the fall. 94 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,200 I mean what are your overall thoughts about where things are 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,800 at now? So I I I can't claim this as an 96 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,160 original thought, but I saw it on on X or Twitter and and I 97 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,320 thought it was, I thought it was the most accurate thing that 98 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,800 I've seen, which was this is like like peak embarrassment 99 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,760 without affecting the football, right. 100 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,720 Without without affecting the performance of Michigan. 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,120 So like you know, my first reaction was like, you know, OK, 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,680 Jim Harbaugh, he is claiming ignorance to this anyway. 103 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,160 So what would keeping him off the sidelines do to, you know, 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,840 directly address this sign stealing thing? 105 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:30,040 But I I don't. I think, I think in the end this 106 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,840 is I I feel like this is optimal. 107 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:36,080 Like this is kind of further than what I expected them to do 108 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,920 as as far as Big 10 goes and like having him off the off the 109 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,320 sidelines not coaching for the rest of the remainder of the 110 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,800 season. I mean that also influences the 111 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,240 Ohio State game and and so this it's going to be when that week 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,640 comes around it's going to be insane. 113 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,640 But I I think this is you know for like IU fans, I think this 114 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:01,360 is like a pretty good ruling for for you know rooting interest. 115 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,880 But as far as like how this all came about, it's been like 116 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,800 somewhat of a roller coaster. I feel like I'm on like a one of 117 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,920 those roller coaster, one of those wooden roller coasters 118 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,320 that kind of put that kind of jostles you from side to side 119 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,880 because it's some of the national columns and and and 120 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,880 things along those lines that just haven't they've they've 121 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,720 gone back and forth and it's been kind of interesting to 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,960 watch like you were saying the the coverage of it itself has 123 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,880 been just as interesting as the actual events taking place. 124 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,440 It really and we're not going to go a whole lot more on it now. 125 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,120 I mean I I'll, I'll say two things. 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:44,160 One some of the the columns. And the tweets that have come 127 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,280 from national sports writers that cover college football. 128 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,720 This is it was like it's been embarrassing frankly. 129 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,880 Like the naked defense of Harbaugh and the the the false 130 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,320 equivalencies. I mean, it's really fascinating 131 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:04,280 how just completely UN I I don't understand how people have been 132 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,400 so taken in by the Michigan perspective on this. 133 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,280 And you know, look, I mean, do we have ironclad proof? 134 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,440 In front of us? No. 135 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,680 But the fact that the Big 10 has now seen fit to suspend Harbaugh 136 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,480 for the final three games, I don't think they're doing that. 137 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Like, for no reason. Like this is, you know, the 138 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,800 people I go, they're out to get Michigan. 139 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,720 It's like Michigan. This is literally the Big 10's 140 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,440 best chance to win a College Football Playoff title Since 141 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,040 what? When Ohio State did it. 142 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,800 I mean like this is, this is like you look at the way that 143 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,280 this team has played and the talent and the fact that they 144 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,960 were in the playoff last year. Why would the Big 10 want to do 145 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,160 this? Like what would be their 146 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,080 motivation? This is one of those where you 147 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,360 would rather if you were the Big 10 that just went away. 148 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,280 But the fact that the rest of the coaches in the conference, I 149 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:51,920 don't know. If people heard Brett Bielema's 150 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,560 commentary on this yesterday, I'd I'd recommend going and 151 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,720 checking it out like the Bielema was pretty direct and for him to 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,360 be that direct after saying that he wasn't going to talk about 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,960 it. Is there's a lot of heated anger 154 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,840 under the surface and the idea that, you know, with all due 155 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,120 respect like the idea that this had to wait and go through like 156 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,600 due process. I think the Big 10, they were 157 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,480 really forced to act here. And I mean, I I think there's a, 158 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,440 there's a real chance of some kind of revolt around among the 159 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,200 Big 10 coaches and the presidents of all the other 160 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,200 institutions. If you don't act here and this 161 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,960 honestly in the short term feels kind of mild because as you said 162 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,400 like it's it's not that they're they're not disqualifying 163 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,480 Michigan from the Big 10 championship game. 164 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,600 They're not disqualifying them as a as a as ACFP competitor. 165 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,080 This feels like about the the most that you could do, but also 166 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,600 the least that you could do if you're the Big 10. 167 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,720 So I never anticipated them keeping Michigan from the Big 10 168 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,960 championship or or anything like that, that this, that's why this 169 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,240 went further than I thought it was going. 170 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,600 I thought it was going to be fine, honestly. 171 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Right. The the other thing I'll say on 172 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,520 this is like Michigan released a response almost immediately. 173 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,040 And, you know, claimed essential and paraphrasing that the Big 10 174 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,280 is acting arbitrarily. There's procedure that they're 175 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,360 violating. And I'll I'll I'll hat tip our 176 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,040 buddy Fake Mike Woodson on Twitter, who very accurately 177 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,360 pointed out that Michigan, among other schools in the Big 10, 178 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,480 didn't seem particularly interested in due process when 179 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,760 they arbitrarily moved Indiana out of the Big 10 championship 180 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,760 game in football in 2020. You know, there was a procedure 181 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,000 that everybody agreed to, and then when it became inconvenient 182 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 for the Big 10, they just arbitrarily changed that rule. 183 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,720 Only one person voted against it, and that was Scott Dolson. 184 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,120 You know what, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Michigan 185 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,640 here if they're going to try to play the arbitrary card because 186 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,200 what's good for the goose is good for the gander when it 187 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,040 comes to this stuff as far as I'm concerned. 188 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:01,600 Yeah, no, I totally agree. And also I was, I I saw I 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,760 retweeted his tweet from Nicole Lauer back that that was just a 190 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,080 screenshot from from their from the big 10s ruling. 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,560 And it was basically that they were unmoved by the by 192 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:16,240 Michigan's counters by saying the rest of the coaches were 193 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,240 getting their signs from from each other. 194 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:24,000 And and I thought that. I thought that was also, I 195 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,160 thought that was also pretty embarrassing for Michigan, too. 196 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,600 But yeah, I know. I, I, I I think that, yeah, like 197 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,560 you were saying, I think we could talk about this for a long 198 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,720 time. Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll 199 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,040 see what happens over the weekend. 200 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,320 But let's go ahead and get to the Indiana game as IU goes into 201 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,120 this game. You know, it's funny the way 202 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,920 that the reaction has been and the way that people have acted 203 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,880 about IU over the course of this week. 204 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,320 You'd think that they were on the precipice of a bowl. 205 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,200 That they'd finally gotten the season completely turned around, 206 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,080 and they've won one Big 10 game so far this season, and that was 207 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,680 last week, and they really needed to hold off Wisconsin on 208 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,360 the final drive to do it. The three and six. 209 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,000 It's playoff mode, as you pointed out in in the Bite Size 210 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Bison. There are ways away from from 211 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,920 anything happening here, but they're in this weird spot where 212 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,760 they really do look like they've got a potential route to a bowl 213 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,200 if they can take care of business statistically. 214 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,480 Not a very high probability. I think Punt John Punt noted 215 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,120 that it was like a 4% chance that they would win the last 216 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,840 three games. But this is an intriguing match 217 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,800 up. This game against Illinois on 218 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,480 the road statistically is the toughest of the three match ups 219 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,400 that they've got remaining on the schedule. 220 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,640 Let's talk a little bit about the match up. 221 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,080 First and foremost, you had a great bite sized Bison post 222 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,880 about this game. What is it about the Illinois, 223 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,240 Indiana match up that people really need to know as we go 224 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,560 into this game tomorrow? Yeah, I mean Illinois, they've 225 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,640 shown some positive. They've they've had some some 226 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,840 positive performances. I think what I noted the most in 227 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,360 in bite size Bison was just that they will take advantage of an 228 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,560 inconsistent phase of a football team. 229 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,720 I mean they're inconsistent themselves as well. 230 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,080 But they like if there's a defense that is inconsistent, 231 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,400 they will take what the defense gives them on offense. 232 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 No, that is with Luke Altmire quarterback. 233 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,760 So that's to be determined. If he's gonna, if he's gonna. 234 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,200 Start Yeah, that's become a weird subplot here where he 235 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,560 might not actually play I I I mean, I don't know what to make 236 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:26,320 of that. Do you? 237 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,640 I mean, no. If if I was Illinois, I would do 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,840 everything I can to get him on the field though because the 239 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,320 rest of their schedule, I mean they have Iowa after this week 240 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,440 in the Northwestern and they have four wins. 241 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 So if they want to get to a bowl themselves, they're like they're 242 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,280 gonna have to play this one pretty tough. 243 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,640 So yeah no I I I was kind of surprised I at the beginning of 244 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,320 the week when I was kind of putting together the bite size 245 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,640 bias and I was like you know it looks like he's probably going 246 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,080 to play but as the week's gone on it's like maybe there's more 247 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,160 of a chance that Jon Paddock plays from Paul State and and 248 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,960 he's not particularly impressive. 249 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,920 I I looked I looked up his his grades on PFF last year which 250 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,200 was really his first his only full season and he threw the 251 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,280 most passes in the Mack but he was great at 11th in the 252 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 conference among quarterbacks so you know he's. 253 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,800 I don't know. So I I think yeah it's it is 254 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,640 interesting this Illinois team still just kind of hard to pin 255 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,520 down. I mean the the offense the 256 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,600 analytics say the offense is not very good but they've put 257 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,760 together some decent performances against one of them 258 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,160 against Wisconsin pretty recently they ran pretty pretty 259 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,480 well against Wisconsin but then they also let Braden Locke throw 260 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,480 all over the defense. So you know you never really 261 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,840 know what what team what team's going to show up here for 262 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Illinois. But I think. 263 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,200 I think that's what makes them dangerous. 264 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:46,400 Yeah, I mean we we've seen Illinois have just a weird 265 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,120 season and you know Illinois look like a prime regression 266 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,720 candidate. We talked about this a little 267 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,680 bit before the season in that you know they they last year 268 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,560 Brett Bielema's first year, I think they went 8:00 and 5:00 269 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:03,000 but you know they lost Indiana obviously in the first Big 10 270 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,200 game of the year, they. They lost that embarrassing game 271 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,040 to Purdue down the stretch. They lost to Michigan State at 272 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,680 home. Both of those games were at home 273 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,120 down the stretch. But they also, you know, pulled 274 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,280 off some big wins. They won at Wisconsin last year. 275 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,240 They won handily against Minnesota. 276 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,120 This season has not gone quite as well for them and they they 277 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,760 needed a late drive to beat. I think it was Toledo. 278 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,440 Earlier on they they let Purdue score a ton of points against 279 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,920 them. This is probably, this might be 280 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,160 the most schizophrenic team right now in the conference 281 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,160 other than maybe Wisconsin in terms of figuring out what 282 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,440 they're going to do on a day-to-day basis. 283 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,000 And it's like, what do they do? Well, what do you think they can 284 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 bank on if Altmire's playing? I mean, I guess we have to take 285 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,000 the, the Altmire thing's a separate thing. 286 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,200 But if he's in there, what is it that they do well? 287 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,600 I mean, they have really good receivers. 288 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,000 They have actually pretty great receivers and and Isaiah 289 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Williams, he's a he's a he's kind of he's a top five wide 290 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,240 receiver honestly graded as such and then Pat Bryant behind him 291 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,800 is 6 three is is is also he's in the last four weeks they're both 292 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,160 top 10 receivers in the big 10. So those guys are are those guys 293 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,400 are going to give IU some trouble but you know Luke 294 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Altmire is actually pretty decent when he's not under 295 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,160 pressure but when he is under pressure that's that's when you 296 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,880 know he's not as he's not as good he's he's actually pretty 297 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,520 bad. So but and and the good thing 298 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,080 for Indiana is that Illinois's offensive line is not super 299 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,320 great And so I think Altmider has the most drawbacks under 300 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,680 pressure in the conference. Yeah yeah so and you know 301 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,120 defensively the front seven and I've I've said I've emphasized 302 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,600 this in the bite size items too. The front seven is going to have 303 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,320 to show up this week that there's like no way around it. 304 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Yeah, that's going to be the big thing. 305 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,560 Now. They had a really good game last 306 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,200 week and relatively speaking, I mean they really, it's hard. 307 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,600 This is where it's tough with this Indiana team because they I 308 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,560 can't. I went back and watched the game 309 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,560 this morning. I can't tease out whether it was 310 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,520 I use defense that was doing well or whether Wisconsin's 311 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,520 quarterback just sucked in that game. 312 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,440 It was a little bit of both. I mean when Wisconsin chose to 313 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,400 run. They seem to really give the 314 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Front 7 problems, but they chose to run so infrequently that you 315 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,200 wonder, what was that a product, if I use defense primarily? 316 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Or was it a product of just Luke Fickell making bizarre decisions 317 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,880 from an offensive perspective? I still haven't quite figured 318 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,400 that out. Illinois certainly has not 319 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,560 scored particularly well this season overall. 320 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,360 I mean, you look at their overall points per game, they're 321 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,960 at 21.1 points per game. They're allowing 28 points per 322 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,000 game essentially. That does not generally bode 323 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,560 well, but the big question for Indiana is, you know, obviously 324 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,080 a can you keep them from scoring a lot of points? 325 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,200 You know, because they did put 27 points up on the board last 326 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,080 week against Minnesota. They put 27 points up on the 327 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,440 board at Maryland. We know Indiana couldn't score 328 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,839 particularly well against Maryland and that's not a really 329 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:07,720 particularly good Maryland defense. 330 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,040 So, but I just don't know what to make of this because I can't 331 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,560 tell if Illinois. I can't tell what Illinois 332 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,599 team's going to show up on the field and what kind of effort 333 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:18,280 they're going to get out of that team at this point. 334 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,000 Yeah, no, I mean I agree and and if just like looking at, I mean 335 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,280 I put together the the stat previews every week and you know 336 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,720 there's like no consistency in Illinois. 337 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:38,040 You know it's like a like they actually have decent success 338 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,400 rates in pass and rush but then their EPA is like 73rd in the 339 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,920 country. It's like how does that even how 340 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,040 does that even happen. But no, you're you're right. 341 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,240 And and when I think about the last couple weeks for Indiana, 342 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,000 you know, when it comes to the offensive success against Penn 343 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,840 State, you know, we can say those were defensive breakdowns. 344 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,600 And and I think that's accurate to say. 345 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,640 And then last week when you talk about Wisconsin's offense, you 346 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,760 know, I think a lot of it was Brayden Locke. 347 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,000 I also think if they had Braylon Allen, things would have ended 348 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,320 differently. And so, you know, when it comes 349 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,080 to college football, how many times can you say that without 350 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,640 it being that Indiana is actually affecting these things. 351 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,800 And so I've kind of gone back and forth with that as well. 352 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,560 Galen, I think, I think the front seven has played well. 353 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,960 I think Aaron Casey really stepped up his game. 354 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,840 I was looking at some of the individual grades and you and I 355 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,640 have talked about this before where the defense needs. 356 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,600 So they they wean so heavily on individual performances because 357 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,280 that's just the nature of the defensive and and their four to 358 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,720 five system. And Aaron Casey, Jacob Mingo 359 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Farrar, even Andre Carter a bit. A lot of those guys, they were, 360 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,200 they dipped big, big time for like 3 or 4 weeks there in the 361 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,320 middle of the season. And then suddenly things are 362 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,040 changing and and you know they're they're changing some 363 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,440 things schematically and they're they're making themselves 364 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,760 unpredictable on defense. And I think that is really 365 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,640 working in their favor. And I think as long as they 366 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,520 continue to do that, it it will continue to work in their favor. 367 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,120 I'm just curious to see how they do that against an Illinois team 368 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,880 where you know obviously they're the coaches are better football 369 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,080 minds than I am. But like I I don't know how you 370 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,200 would adjust between the Husky and the bowl positions and 371 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:26,080 change your defense that way to account for an offense that I 372 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,800 don't really fully understand. You know, I I I I don't know 373 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,200 their I don't know what their bread and butter is. 374 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,680 And besides their slot receiver, who by the way in 2019 when Watt 375 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,960 failure had all of those targets in in the IU offense. 376 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,640 Isaiah Williams has a bigger percentage share of targets in 377 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,720 in this offense than Watt failure did back in 2019. 378 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,600 So just a heavy toast of him, So yeah. 379 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting one. 380 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,680 One thing, so I had a bunch of people ask her this question on 381 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,720 on on Twitter, 'cause we I I solicit questions like I always 382 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,280 do. And there was a question from 383 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,520 our buddy Patrick taking away making a bowl, What would make 384 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,480 Crimson cast feel good about IU football headed into the 385 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,880 offseason? Patrick's answer was a 386 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,120 competitive finish with consistent play from Soresby. 387 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,560 And a competent defensive performance. 388 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,160 So I want to set aside the defensive performance stuff for 389 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,200 a second. But I've heard this a couple of 390 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,440 times and I I think I feel the same way. 391 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:34,200 You know, it does feel like almost by accident. 392 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,120 Indiana has now found a starting quarterback that they can stick 393 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:44,400 with and and Soresby has impressed me in how he has kind 394 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,320 of started to limit mistakes. He's still not throwing for a 395 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,520 huge amount of yardage. I think that's as much a product 396 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,040 of the offensive line and the general play calling philosophy 397 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,440 as it is him. But I've been really impressed 398 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,080 with what I've seen out of him, and I've been interested in 399 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,560 seeing how he has developed confidence under center over 400 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,280 these last four weeks. I mean, that feels like a really 401 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,040 good building block for IU regardless of what happens these 402 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,000 next three games, because it might provide some stability at 403 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,960 the quarterback position headed into the offseason. 404 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,040 I mean, how do you feel about that and what you've seen out of 405 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,920 Soresby? Overall, yeah. 406 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,160 Just just the quarterback position. 407 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,240 Well, yeah. With Soresby in particular, 408 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:21,920 yeah. OK. 409 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,640 Yeah. Yeah. 410 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,760 No, I I think Soresby's great. I I mean, I've noted before that 411 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,400 you know he has and in the last three weeks that he's been, you 412 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,480 know, the committed, the, the IUS committed to him as a 413 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,560 starter, he has a he's. Basically the same statistics as 414 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,320 Kyle McCord at Ohio State and I, you know, and then played 415 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,120 essentially the same schedule in those three weeks. 416 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:45,040 So I the Ohio State people are gonna come after you for that, 417 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,440 Taylor. I'm aware of that. 418 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,720 I know. That's why. 419 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,360 That's why I did not mention Kyle McCord in my tweet when I 420 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:54,480 tweeted out that that that chart comparing the two. 421 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,840 Cause. Yes, you're absolutely right. 422 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,600 No, I think Soresby. I I think you know I've been 423 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,960 I've been a Soresby fan from the beginning not necessarily you 424 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,080 know Soresby versus Jackson or anything like that. 425 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,560 I just like Soresby as a quarterback and I think that he 426 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,080 has a strong arm and I think he, I I mean I don't think Tom Allen 427 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,920 was exaggerated when he says he can make all the throws. 428 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,800 I think that Brendan Soresby is tooled with you know talent 429 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,160 around him especially an offensive line. 430 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,640 I think he could be a good quarterback and and I think 431 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,360 he's. Proving so now and I think I 432 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,000 think Scott comparing him to Peyton Ramsey. 433 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,760 I think it was that last week. I think that was pretty good. 434 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,800 I think you know we're seeing some like early in his career 435 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,600 we're seeing some Peyton Ramsey as type of things like you were 436 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,200 saying like limiting turnovers and you know like making three 437 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,200 turnover worthy plays in three weeks for a freshman for retro 438 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,720 freshman quarterback is is great. 439 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,000 But I thought it I think his running is getting better I 440 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,560 think he's I think he's. And he's doing a better job of 441 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,200 identifying when to leave the pocket and when to stay in. 442 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,800 And you know, one thing I like about Taven is his footwork. 443 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560 And I don't think Brendan, I don't think Brendan Sourceby 444 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,280 really has that. But but you know, he's 445 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,480 developing and and like we had said before, regardless of which 446 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,680 quarterback it is, there's going to be some growing pains. 447 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,000 And you know, there are some throws that he just absolutely 448 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,960 sails and it looks terrible. And then you know he's dropping 449 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,640 handoffs out there just last week. 450 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,680 So you know he looks like a red shirt freshman. 451 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:35,280 But based on his high school career, this is. 452 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,440 I mean this is impressive like he was. 453 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,960 I I don't know how he was developed. 454 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,080 I'm not sure exactly how he came into the program. 455 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,160 But however he got from his high school career to here is 456 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,800 honestly pretty impressive from a developmental standpoint. 457 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Yeah, I, you know, I look, I think ultimately, well, one 458 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960 thing I want everybody to remember about the quarterbacks 459 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,760 and what, and we've said this about Tavin, we said it about 460 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,680 Brandon as well. They're young. 461 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,000 I mean these are guys who haven't taken very many snaps. 462 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,880 And you know, there's there's some people on Twitter who seem 463 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,160 to think that any quarterback can just walk in and be a 464 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,480 functional starting Big 10 level quarterback. 465 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,160 It doesn't happen that way. You you need seasoning. 466 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,080 Peyton Ramsey was very inconsistent his first couple of 467 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,560 years. You know, Michael Pennix was 468 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,120 very inconsistent when he wasn't injured his first couple of 469 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,560 years, you know, So I was, I've just been really impressed. 470 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,440 And I think what impressed me the most about about Soresby, 471 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,600 especially last week after I went back and watched the games, 472 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,520 was, you know, he, he corrected mistakes. 473 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,400 You know, he sailed that first touchdown attempt pass to 474 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,240 Mccully. It was a little high. 475 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,440 It was people were blaming Mccully for dropping it. 476 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,640 I mean, Mccully's not 9 feet tall. 477 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,360 I don't know how he was supposed to accurately get that. 478 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,960 Soresby dropped the angle of the next throw on the following 479 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,960 drive and got it exactly where it needed to be. 480 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,520 There was a play in the third quarter where, you know, Soresby 481 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,920 tried to roll out and immediately got absolutely 482 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,120 smothered by two Wisconsin defenders coming off the edge. 483 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Then there was that first down on that drive that ended up 484 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,800 netting them the field goal. He waited just a hair like 485 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,880 beyond where you might have thought, read everything, and 486 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,080 then immediately took off and went a direction that he saw the 487 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560 defenders were not coming from and that netted that a very 488 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,760 important first down that eventually set the field goal 489 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,640 up. I mean, he is making mental 490 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,880 adjustments on the fly and as much as I liked what Taven was 491 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000 doing in certain areas, we weren't seeing quite the same 492 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,040 thing. I also don't think Taven was 493 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,240 getting great play calling, so that didn't help much. 494 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,920 But the fact that this combination works. 495 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,320 So to go back to Patrick's point, if I'm looking for 496 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,440 building blocks for the offseason with this football 497 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,080 program, having a quarter, especially if if Sorsby wins his 498 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,600 last four or even three of his last four, yeah, that. 499 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,880 You know that. That to me is a real, real 500 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,560 positive sign moving forward. And especially, I'm sorry I was 501 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,160 going to say the last thing, especially since he lost his 502 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,200 number one receiver. I mean, camp Camper's out for 503 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,720 the rest of the season and he's still figuring out ways to get 504 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,640 different guys involved in the receiving core. 505 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,040 I think that's a really, really good sign. 506 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,680 No. And and I mean early in the 507 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,920 season his only snaps were were against like the top tier 508 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,600 competition that he's gonna play you know so I guess Ohio State 509 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,440 against Michigan. So now he's actually getting 510 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,440 some reps against some of these more you know mediocre Big 10 511 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,640 teams And so however he finishes out. 512 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,200 Yeah, I I mean, I agree with Galen I I I hadn't really 513 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,200 thought about that from the quarterback standpoint is like. 514 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,560 How can he lead this offense? That is not particularly 515 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,000 impressive, you know, and it's it's not schematically 516 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,240 impressive. Kind of like, you know, you 517 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,200 know, Peyton Ramsey in that 2019 season, he was running Kaylin 518 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,240 Deborah's system, you know, not to take anything away from Kate, 519 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,040 from Peyton Ramsey, but, you know, if we're compare, if, if I 520 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,200 were to compare the two, you know, Brendan Soresby is running 521 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,520 a much less effective schematic offense than Peyton Ramsey. 522 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,640 And and he's doing it, you know? I I I wouldn't say he's 523 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,800 maximizing it but I think in a lot of opportunities he is 524 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,800 maximizing play by play what he can do on each of these plays 525 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,120 and and it's it's been good to see from a guy that's so young 526 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,520 and I I I personally don't think a lot of people were expecting 527 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,840 much from Brendan Soresby when he came in so even the fact that 528 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,280 he is taking this job is to to me is impressive. 529 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,240 I've, I've liked watching it. We had a couple other questions 530 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,680 we'll get to here before we wrap up. 531 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,880 So assembly call Jared asks. Let's dare to dream. 532 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,360 Well, we can say the Big 10 football sees part and Indiana 533 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,040 is delivered to a bowl game with a four-game winning streak to 534 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,440 end the season. What other totally unpredictable 535 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520 runs of success would be analogous and IU sports history. 536 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,080 I'll take. I'll take most of this one, 537 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,920 Taylor, I mean. Yeah, you have a deeper 538 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320 knowledge than I do. I mean, look, I think that the 539 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:04,200 1967 Big 10 titles in basketball and football, we're out of 540 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,720 absolutely nothing. I mean, you look at IU men's 541 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,680 basketball in like the six years preceding it. 542 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,480 I mean it. The whole athletic department 543 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,600 got put on postseason probation. Nobody could go to the NCAA 544 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,880 tournament. Everybody was bad IU basketball. 545 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480 I don't think it had a winning record in a while. 546 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Or maybe they had won in the last seven years or something 547 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,720 like that and they came out of nowhere and won the Big 10 title 548 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,480 same year that IU football out of nothing having not had a 549 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,040 winning record since 1958, you know ends up going nine and two 550 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,600 and and going to the Rose Bowl and you know that was those are 551 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000 the most improbable. Like I don't know what happened 552 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,320 in 1967 in Bloomington. The Summer of Love loved 553 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,960 Bloomington and and IU in some way that that I think still 554 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,640 can't be adequately explained. I think that certainly there was 555 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,440 a build up that was impressive with IU Men's Baseball. 556 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360 But I'll still say that going to the College World Series in 557 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,760 2013, when you look at where the baseball program was at in the 558 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,560 90s and the 2000s, for them to go to a College World Series is 559 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,720 still to me the most improbable thing from a program perspective 560 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,600 that we've ever seen. And that would be kind of my 561 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,520 programmatic one. Although, yeah, honestly, I 562 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,160 mean, you know, it's like there's a couple of others. 563 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,360 I mean, you can say women's basketball. 564 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,000 And the success that they've had under Terry Moore in here is 565 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600 really, really unexpected. As far as the season thing, I 566 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400 mean, it's funny, I've heard a lot of people saying, Oh yeah, 567 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,360 they're going to win these last three and go to a bowl. 568 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,120 And the number of times that hasn't happened in IU history 569 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,320 where I remember clearly, my sophomore year, it was 1998 and 570 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,480 Indiana was sitting at 3:00 and 5:00 and we had Antoine Randall 571 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,000 L was the the the quarterback. He had just taken over the 572 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,360 starting role and Indiana was sitting in the same spot. 573 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,120 They were three and five. They had just lost to Ohio State 574 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,920 and I remember sitting with one of the football players at I 575 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,080 think it was Mcnutt or Briscoe having lunch because he was 576 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,880 friends with a friend of mine and he's like, yeah, we're going 577 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,760 to win these. Last three, they went to 578 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,680 Illinois and it was November 7th and they lost 31 to 16 and they 579 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520 ended up they ended up finishing that season four and seven. 580 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,520 They had a nice win at home against Minnesota the next week 581 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160 and then they got boat raced by Purdue in the final game. 582 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,000 The only time I can remember this happening where Indiana had 583 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,280 their backs against the wall and had to win multiple games in a 584 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,720 row was 2015 when Indiana they lost the game to Michigan and 585 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,240 they they were that dropped them I think to four and five. 586 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,400 I think they lost one more game after that and then they had to 587 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,080 go and win their last two and they ended up winning their last 588 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,680 two. They won that that big game up 589 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,520 at Ross Aid and that's what got them into the Pinstripe Bowl. 590 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600 That's the only time that I can remember Indiana being in this 591 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,320 position where they had to win the games and actually winning 592 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520 the games. So that's about the closest I 593 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,440 can come. Anything recent that you can 594 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,040 think of that would fall into this category? 595 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,200 I think you know the first thing that comes to mind. 596 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,880 You know, I've. I've not I don't have as as 597 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,640 historical I don't have I don't have like a lot of filing 598 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,240 cabinets in my brain of IU historic sports historically. 599 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,040 But I was the sports editor at the IDs during the 2015 sixteen 600 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,680 IU basketball season and I thought that that season I think 601 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,400 it's it's it's not as comparable but when they because there are 602 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,440 some things happening within the pro. 603 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,400 Like off the court and and then they went on that 12 game win 604 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,200 streak in the middle of the season and then they ended up 605 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,240 going they ended up in to get the Sweet 16. 606 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,400 That is like the only comparison I can make just off the top of 607 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,160 my head. But I I think you know I I saw 608 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,800 Ken Bikoff tweet that IU has has beaten. 609 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,920 If I understood it right IU has beaten has won four big 10 610 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,800 conference games in a season. Just what was it? 611 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,040 I can't remember the exact number of times in the last 30 612 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,560 years, like, not very often like, but. 613 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,040 And it's to to win them. To win four in a row, is the OK? 614 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,040 It's not really. Here's all the times Indiana has 615 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,880 won four games in the conference in the last Let's just go back. 616 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,320 Let's go back 30 years. OK, So we're going to go back to 617 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,320 1993. They did it in 2020, they did 618 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,920 it. They won six games that year in 619 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,680 the Big 10. They did it in 2019. 620 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,760 They won five that year. They did it in 2016. 621 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,520 They won four games that year in the conference. 622 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,280 They did it in 2001. They won four games in the 623 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,520 conference that year, and they did it in 1993, when they won 624 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,600 five games. So it's that's all. 625 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,320 That's the only times in the last since 1993 that Indiana has 626 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,720 won more than three games in the conference in a a single season, 627 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,560 which I need to go pour a stiff drink now after looking that up. 628 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,920 That's bad. How many of those seasons did 629 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,480 they fire their offensive coordinator mid season game or 630 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,160 change quarterbacks in the middle? 631 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,920 I mean, you know, it's, you know, outside of something other 632 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,800 than injury. No, it's it's wild. 633 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,680 So it's it's why I'm not getting too much on the hype train with 634 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,680 this because it just it really does feel improbable because 635 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,280 it's just it's hard this this even though Indiana won against 636 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,080 Wisconsin they're still 95th in SP plus and and you know the the 637 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,880 metrics still think that they look bad and. 638 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,240 And they didn't budget at all after beating Wisconsin. 639 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,000 No, because they didn't play that well. 640 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,640 I mean, they they they made plays that won the game. 641 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,240 And this is the tough thing. It's like I think it's I admired 642 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,560 the scrappiness and the grittiness of IU in winning that 643 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,920 game. I thought the players deserved a 644 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200 ton of credit. But it's not like they played a 645 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,800 great game. It's they they had a great first 646 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,920 drive of the half of the first half. 647 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,640 They had a great last drive of the first half and they rolled 648 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,840 the dice and sent a kicker out who had only hit like a what, a 649 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,320 42 yard field goal for his career and had him kick A50 or 650 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,080 51 yard field goal, which would have if he'd missed given 651 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,400 Wisconsin the ball down three, close to midfield with a short 652 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,239 field to even go and kick the the, you know the field goal. 653 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,199 Now they were missing their quarterback or the excuse me, 654 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,480 they're missing. Well, they they were missing 655 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,760 their quarterback and their kicker. 656 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,960 So there was some calculated risk there, but it was a very 657 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,360 lucky win and look we need, we need lucky wins against 658 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,000 Wisconsin. Like I'm not, I'm not. 659 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,920 I'm not saying throw it back, but what I am saying is that 660 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,960 it's a bad idea to take a win where a lot of lucky stuff 661 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,800 happened and try to extrapolate oh, Indiana's going to be able 662 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,920 to do XY or Z moving forward. That's really not how it works. 663 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,240 I mean that was that you know, that was that that's just that's 664 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,240 not wise. And then so my point is 665 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:03,840 ultimately as we go into this, just temper your expectations, 666 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,280 guard your heart, IU fans, because it's it would this would 667 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,040 be if this Indiana, this does happen. 668 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,960 If Indiana wins their last four and gets the 6:00 and 6:00, this 669 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,960 would be an absolutely unprecedented thing in IU 670 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,840 football history. And I think we will reward it 671 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,920 and celebrate it as such if it happens. 672 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,720 I would not hold my breath for very long as far as it's 673 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,400 concerned. I think the Big 10 is very bad 674 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,360 this season. It is like, I don't think 675 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,880 they're good, but to be at the bottom of that is saying 676 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,440 something and so I think you know when. 677 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,720 When you look at the last couple of games, you know and then you 678 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,720 could say this about any team that's going to lose Indiana 679 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,280 this season. But it seemed like the the last 680 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,000 two games, Wisconsin and Penn State underachieved or 681 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,040 underachieved in the in in in each of the individual games 682 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,880 when you just watch the game, and I mean even like 683 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,000 analytically too, they did under underachieve. 684 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,240 And so my my concern is that one of the next three teams is not 685 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,520 going to underachieve, they're going. 686 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,400 To either achieve or overachieve and and the odds of all three of 687 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,520 these teams underachieving to a point that allows this Indiana 688 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,680 team to win all three games is just so improbable. 689 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080 But, but I mean, the Big 10 is bad. 690 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,640 Like Illinois is not that great of a football team, right? 691 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,040 Well, that and that's in state. You can make a legitimate 692 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,160 argument that Indiana is is statistically clearly better 693 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,680 than Michigan State. Yeah and you can make an 694 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,880 argument that the way that they're playing now is better 695 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,960 than Purdue is playing because Purdue just seems to have 696 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,880 decided that defense is optional this year. 697 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,320 And they also both their head coach and their offensive 698 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040 coordinator don't seem to really quite have a grasp on this whole 699 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,560 coaching in the Big Ten thing you know. 700 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,800 So it's it is really a fascinating situation. 701 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,280 But again, we'll we'll, we'll we'll hold our powder on this 702 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,280 until we see what goes on. A couple of the comments real 703 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,640 quick. Matt Simon talking about this 704 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,800 scenario. It's almost a perfect match to 705 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,440 IU men's basketball 2016. Crane and Allen both had 706 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,920 unexpected successes for two seasons. 707 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,720 Two seasons below standards, then would have both rebounded 708 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,360 to salvage success in a season that appeared disastrous early 709 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,520 on. True, we'll see big difference 710 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,280 between getting blown out a couple of games in Maui and 711 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,360 almost losing to Toledo, but but we'll see how things go. 712 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,800 Jamie Jordan asked. Do you think with all the new 713 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,800 faces and time for the quarterback situation to get 714 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,800 settled, this team is just starting to gel late, or are 715 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,720 they just playing the worst part of their schedule? 716 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,200 What What would you say about that? 717 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,960 A little bit of both. You know what? 718 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,120 Well you know, no, no, actually no. 719 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,640 I I think, I don't think they played the worst part of their 720 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,560 schedule yet. You know like besides non 721 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,320 conference, you know. But this, I think this game here 722 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520 starts the worst part of their I mean, Wisconsin. 723 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,200 They didn't have Braylon Allen. They didn't have Tanner 724 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,040 Mordecai. You know, I guess you you could 725 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,120 say that that started their worst part of their schedule. 726 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,600 But you know they played well against Penn State at Penn State 727 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,480 and I I think there's something to be said for that. 728 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,520 I think the offensive line is gelling. 729 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,800 I I think, I think I've. I think I've. 730 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,880 Would lean towards the former rather than the latter in in 731 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,800 that in that scenario I look, I think as much as we disagreed 732 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200 with the idea that Rod Carey should be given the permanent 733 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,360 offensive coordinator role, I don't think there's any question 734 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,880 the offense is looking significantly less lost under 735 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,480 him than it did under Walt Bell. And that doesn't still mean it's 736 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,960 good, but it's not nearly as bad. 737 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,040 And I do think that that's having an impact. 738 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,240 And I also think I mean defensively they've made some 739 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,960 very curious personnel decisions as you've highlighted on on the 740 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,360 newsletter. But they are getting some more 741 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,320 positive plays out of their defense, I would say because the 742 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,000 whole, the whole team in the Maryland and Michigan games just 743 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,080 look like they've thrown their hands up and they were done with 744 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,200 it. And the fact that they've they 745 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,440 fought as much as they have the last couple of weeks, I mean I 746 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,280 still, I will forever be confounded by what happened with 747 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440 the Rutgers game. I just I and it's and it will it 748 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,000 completely changed the prism of the season because I mean 749 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160 imagine Indiana on A2 game-winning streak going into 750 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,640 this one knowing that they don't have to beat Illinois to 751 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200 Illinois. But if they did, now they've 752 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,760 lined up a potential seven and five finish as opposed to 753 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,120 scrapping or being in playoff mode to try to get to 6 and six. 754 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,000 You know, it's like where was that effort that they showed 755 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,840 against Penn State and against Wisconsin, against Rutgers? 756 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,080 Now Rutgers, I think is is pretty good, but still you know 757 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480 that that's. I mean, they ran on 82% of the 758 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,600 place, yeah, it was just, it was just, you know, so, so it is. 759 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,760 I think Jamie, it is a bit of both. 760 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,600 As Taylor said, I do think that certainly the competition's 761 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,360 gotten a bit easier, but Rutgers should have been one of those 762 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,800 games that they played better in. 763 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,840 So I don't know something seemed to happen with the team the last 764 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,960 couple of weeks that wasn't happening before and maybe we'll 765 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,360 find out at some point, probably not, but that's that's going to 766 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,480 be the kind of the interesting thing. 767 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,720 All right, we're we we had a couple more questions we need to 768 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:18,200 wrap this up. So I guess if you're going to 769 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400 register a pick here, what's your pick in this game? 770 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,760 I mean, S&P plus has Illinois as a 10 point favorite, I think the 771 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,200 lot what is? The. 772 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,360 Line's 6 1/2. It's 6 1/2, so there's already a 773 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,800 bit of a discrepancy there. What are you thinking here? 774 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160 I think it's closer than 6 1/2, I think. 775 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,560 I think it's a close game. I think, man, I I've been 776 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,440 feeling inspired by what they by what they've done with the 777 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,520 defense schematically like. I've I feel like the defense is 778 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,240 really feeding the offense in a lot of ways. 779 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,440 That really lends itself to playing on the road. 780 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,040 And so I, you know, Galen, I'm, I'm going to go out on a limb 781 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,160 here, I think Indiana wins and I don't think they win by 7:00. 782 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,720 So I think it's closer than this, this closer than the line, 783 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,080 you know, but I think, I think Indiana wins. 784 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,560 So they would still cover. But yeah this is like the kiss 785 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,400 of death. But I actually feel the same 786 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,840 way. I just it's it's feels. 787 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,680 I don't know there's I'm going to probably we're all going to 788 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,000 sound like idiots when we recap this with Scott on Sunday 789 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,320 morning and it's like what are you doing don't you like. 790 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,560 But Scott's going. To be laughing at you, he's 791 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,960 going to laugh his ass off at this. 792 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,480 I'm with you though, actually. I feel like it's going to be a 793 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,720 low scoring game. I think both teams are going to 794 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:42,040 struggle to consistently do things on offense. 795 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:48,360 But I think Indiana is just like they It feels like there's some 796 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,440 belief that's built up with Indiana here. 797 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,520 And so I'm going to say Indiana wins and it's tight. 798 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,240 I think it's going to be like 19 to 17 Indiana wins. 799 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,880 And I won't be shocked if it goes the other way. 800 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,080 But I agree with you. We had a question from I think 801 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,440 it was Hoosier hype on Twitter. What's your best bet? 802 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,640 I'm taking Indiana +6 and the under 44.5. 803 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,000 IA 100% agree with both of those. 804 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,200 I think Indiana plus six. I'll be shocked if I I wouldn't 805 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,560 be shocked if Indiana lost. I'd be shocked if Indiana lost 806 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,120 by a touchdown. And that has very little to do 807 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,720 with Indiana. And it has a lot to do with 808 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,560 Illinois and the fact that Illinois offense hasn't looked 809 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,920 good with Luke Altmire. I can't imagine what it would 810 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,000 look like without and so I think that's the best bet and the 811 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,120 under 44.5 is that feels like very easy money, but we'll see. 812 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,320 Anyway, Taylor, as always, a delight to have you on the show. 813 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,760 Glad you're feeling better? We will go ahead and sign off 814 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,800 and be sure to check out Taylor's work. 815 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,360 Bite Sized bison.substack.com Be sure to check out Crimson Cast, 816 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000 as we've got plenty of shows for you to listen to. 817 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,760 And if you're heading over to Champagne, good luck, because 818 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,920 man, that's a depressing town. Anyway, for Taylor, I'm Galen, 819 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,200 and for the Crimson Cast podcast in the back Home network, we'll 820 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,680 catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 821 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,600 Bison. So on everybody.