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The and good evening folks and 
welcome to bison chat Tuesday, 

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November 26th. 
I'm Galen Clavio. 

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That's Joe Cronin over there. 
We got Emily Fox behind the 

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scenes pushing the buttons 
making the magic happen. 

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We are here to talk about IU 
football. 

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We're here to talk about the 
College Football Playoff. 

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A lot to talk about as Indiana 
coming off their first loss of 

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the season, a disappointing one 
as they lose in Ohio State, but 

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a lot to look forward to this 
week as we see the updated CFP 

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rankings. 
We got the bucket game this 

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weekend. 
We're going to talk about that a

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little bit. 
Joe, you've been all over the 

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place here lately. 
You were, I think what up in 

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Green Bay this weekend. 
So good to have you back. 

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How you doing? 
I'm good. 

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It's been a lot of travel. 
I gotta, I'm heading out 

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tomorrow to travel for family, 
but Columbus, Green Bay and then

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back to Ohio for for family 
matters. 

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So it's been good. 
It's a busy time, I guess. 

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No time to rest, Just go, go, 
go. 

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This is how this type of year 
goes and especially when you 

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have a good football team. 
This is not absolutely we're not

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something we're used to as far 
as Indiana and this time of 

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year, but nice to have that 
problem as the Hoosiers 10 and 

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one on the season and they 
suffered their first loss, as I 

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mentioned, as they fall to Ohio 
State by the score of 38 to 15. 

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This was one of those games that
unfortunately a bunch of things 

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went wrong for Indiana against 
an opponent that you really 

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couldn't afford to have anything
go wrong against. 

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And you know, ultimately, Joe, 
you, you got to see it same as I

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did. 
You were on the sidelines. 

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I think I was up in the stands. 
But regardless of what your 

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vantage point was, it was just 
not the game. 

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Indiana would have liked to have
played a lot to look back on and

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just kind of shake your head at 
and say, gosh, if this had gone 

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different or that had gone 
different, maybe it's a 

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different game. 
But Ohio State also kind of 

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clearly demonstrated that, at 
least at this point, that's the 

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superior outfit. 
Yeah, they they, they did flex 

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their muscles a little bit in 
that one. 

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Obviously you can look at some 
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and be like, I could have been a
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But really outside of the 
opening drive that Indiana had 

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and sure, their last drive, they
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Ohio State had their number and 
it was the the big presence was 

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on their defensive line, their 
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I mean, Curtis Rourke was on his
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He was getting drilled, got 
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It just it was tough. 
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confused. 
They had to go to a silent 

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count. 
That was something that Cignetti

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talked about both in his post 
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yesterday and and his weekly 
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And it was it was tough. 
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watching for is when Rourke he 
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was the right guard would be 
looking back at him and he would

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signal to Mike Kadik when to 
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And I think it was solid. 
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where they got a delay of game 
and I think that, you know, when

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you're having to look at the 
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it just messes some of the 
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And you could notice that they 
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blitzes and then, you know, 
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move the ball. 
You go back to those two special

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teams plays, though, it's feel 
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you know, 90 seconds left or 
however many time there was with

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James Evan dropping the snap and
then the Caleb Downs Parma turn 

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touchdown. 
It could be. 

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I wouldn't say a different game 
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nationally you would have seen a
lot closer of the game, I think.

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Yeah, it it was one of those 
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Ohio State's going at full 
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minutes, it it's probably still 
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Indiana doesn't make the 
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We talked about this a little 
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about it a lot more on the other
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Like the one concern that you 
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going to be able to handle the 
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And the silent count was really 
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anything of the problems with 
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It's one of those things where 
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Stadium, you're not having to 
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so you're able to use snap 
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That didn't happen here, and 
Indiana just look like a sitting

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duck most of the time. 
Curtis Rourke just under 

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constant pressure really from 
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And you know, there's some 
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look at and maybe second guess 
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know, do you try to focus on the
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But you know, Ohio State brought
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hadn't brought to bear and the 
other games that they played 

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this year, which was a really 
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didn't just rely on their front 
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And look, Indiana wasn't ready 
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of paying the price for it. 
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lot of people have pointed out, 
Indiana, who didn't play as bad 

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as I think many people have 
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the running game was actually 
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It looked like they didn't have 
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was because they lost so many 
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to the Rourke sacks. 
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dropped punt, which when he fell
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yard loss. 
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5 yards of carry. 
Justice Ellison rushed for close

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to four yards of carry. 
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pretty good running game and I 
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stick with it and they hadn't 
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And then, you know, you look at 
the defense, if you are being 

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charitable and don't want to 
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to the defense and the defense 
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points to be scored by Ohio. 
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added up to where you could take
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And Kurt Signetti was asked 
about this in his media 

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availability on Monday and kind 
of pointed out that it wasn't 

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extraordinary issues that 
Indiana had, but it was really 

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more ordinary issues that led to
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Yeah, it offensively, they just 
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once they got that momentum 
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I think that was one of the more
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Defensively they played all 
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I think something that I noticed
it was outside of the Trayvon 

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Henderson, that 39 yard run when
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the game, they would have held 
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Yes, there was a palm return 
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the seven, but the defense 
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on the ground. 
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Again, that 39 yard rush, they 
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carry, but that one right there 
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bumped up a little bit. 
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outside of the one interception 
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looking very sharp. 
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He was what, 22 for 26, a little
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Yes, the receiving talent was 
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open and they were hitting those
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So I would say the secondary may
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They weren't getting a ton of 
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He was able to kind of maneuver 
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ease and I think that was 
something that maybe was a 

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little surprising. 
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Michael Camaro and like James 
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able to have more of a 
disruptive presence in the 

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passing game. 
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run, but the passing game Ohio 
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apart and that's where that's 
where the weaker side looked 

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from the IU defense. 
But overall, I I just think they

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got outworked. 
It was one of those like that's 

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a very good Ohio State team. 
I think they proved that, you 

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know, they have one loss, but 
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I think yeah, Big 10 
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I think Ohio State's going to 
take down Oregon if we're making

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crazy predictions, but. 
Let's let's hear from Kurt 

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Signetti on his thoughts right 
from the Oregon game and what 

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happened there. 
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assignment errors right like day
one protection, certain lineman 

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supposed to go to the left and 
he doesn't all routine stuff. 

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We didn't do a good job of 
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Obviously the punt team cost us 
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You know, it's a 7 seven game 
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the second quarter. 
We drop the snap and they get 

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the ball in the seven yard line 
and then we punt the ball for 

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series of the second-half and 
get 79 yard punt return for a 

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touchdown punt supposed to be 
kicked to the right and ends up 

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over on on the left number and 
all of our coverage is going 

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right, ball goes left and we're 
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So we got to get back In Sync 
offensively, you know, and get 

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our rhythm back. 
You know where we're playing 

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with a lot of confidence. 
Yeah, getting rhythm back's 

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important. 
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that Indiana's got to 
demonstrate in this game coming 

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up against Purdue is rhythm. 
If you look at what Indiana's 

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done and yes, they've played 
Ohio State, who's clearly when I

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said Oregon going into the 
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obviously, But you know, they 
played so they, they played some

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of the best talent in the 
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said it again with, with Ohio 
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And then of course, a, a very 
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over the last six quarters, 
Indiana's only scored 18 points.

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And and that's got to change. 
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rhythm. 
The passing game especially has 

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been way out of rhythm. 
The running game has not been 

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able to get involved in a way 
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in those six quarters 
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first drive, I would argue, in 
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So, you know, Kurt Stignetti, I 
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talk a little bit earlier in the
year about how he deals with his

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team. 
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that is important in this 
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your team after a loss like 
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It's really about rebuilding 
confidence, reminding guys of 

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what they did well and trying to
figure out like, how do you put 

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them in a position where they 
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And that's going to be very 
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The season's not over. 
They're still in very good 

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shape. 
We think we'll find out for sure

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here in in 1015 minutes or so as
far as the College Football 

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Playoffs concerned. 
But they're going to have to 

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have a resounding performance 
against Purdue, and going in and

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yelling at your players or 
talking about how that was a 

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terrible performance isn't going
to help get Indiana to the point

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where they can mentally and 
emotionally go in and play a 

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good game against Purdue. 
Yeah, and I think I think what 

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Signetti did, especially on 
Saturday was take a lot of 

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accountability in like crediting
Ohio State. 

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And just like they outworked 
them and had the talent 

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outplayed them really throughout
the game outside of that first 

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drive really. 
But something that I also really

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appreciated is how he he harped 
on those high moments like that 

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first drive, like the last drive
and said, those are things that 

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you can look at and build from. 
Because that last drive almost 

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seemed like pure strategy to 
take as much time off the clock,

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get that touchdown to keep it 
within 2 scores and like, you 

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know, keep yourself from this 
loss looking like a three score 

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loss. 
Obviously Trayvon Henderson had 

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a different thing to say on his 
first carry of the of the next 

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possession after the onside 
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But overall, it's just I, I, I 
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confidence after a loss because 
I think they've all been through

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so much. 
Some of these guys from JMU, 

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they were that undefeated team 
had a loss still one games 

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afterwards. 
And then the guys at IU, they 

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have also like not seen success 
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So they're confident in their 
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They've know what they've been 
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weeks or 9 1/2 if you don't want
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second-half versus Michigan. 
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of these structural things 
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be adjusted. 
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too down on a team, but there is
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get your office back and sync 
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worst opportunity to kind of get
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See, you know, get the get the 
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Elijah Serrat, him and he's had 
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past couple weeks, which, you 
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the year was calling himself Mr.
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I mean, I I'm not going to lie, 
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It just some of the times 
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issue, a little bit of an issue 
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general. 
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you're playing Purdue and you 
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season. 
Indiana has had some tough times

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here, and they need to figure 
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team might get overconfident 
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if not the worst Purdue team 
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statistics. 
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pulse entirely. 
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Illinois. 
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other teams relatively close. 
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Lansing over the weekend, taking
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the job done. 
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it's important to remember it's 
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to talk about the weather in a 
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And Purdue has had a season from
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They're one and 10. 
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that motivated to go stand out 
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for three hours and compete hard
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to know they got to go in and 
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the committee and put themselves
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College Football Playoff. 
We've got some sound from Kurt 

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Signetti as he evaluates Purdue.
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about them. 
Quarterbacks are very talented 

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guys, got armed talent and and 
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Tight end is a weapon with 46 
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very explosive player and they 
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season they wanted to have 
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against the Illinois to come 
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send the game to overtime. 
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capable. 
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and he's right. 
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we we saw this week, you know, 
Alabama with their College 

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Football Playoff destiny on the 
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that's had a terrible season so 
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You know, Ole Miss College 
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line. 
They go in, they lose Florida. 

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Florida, of course, has played 
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would expect Ole Miss to be able
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I mean, there's a lot of things 
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bad as Purdue is bad. 
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interesting to watch how Indiana
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And you know, Joe, I don't know 
what your thoughts are in terms 

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of like what Indiana needs to 
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interesting watching them deal 
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gotten used to just by the fact 
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So it's been, it could be kind 
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just hope Indiana can figure out
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overcomes that and and doesn't 
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I actually think the crowd will 
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I'm not sure if it'll totally be
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everything that's on the line 
with it and once again, like 

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we've talked about really the 
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had is this is an unprecedented 
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People are buying in, people are
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what this team can do. 
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this could be the last time a 
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this. 
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because some of these guys are 
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so much of this team. 
But as far as like, I think they

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know what to play for. 
And I got to sit down with Mike 

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Kadic a few weeks ago and I 
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in his time about you as a as a 
starter, he has never beat 

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Purdue. 
When he redshirted in back in 19

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was the lone time that IUS beat 
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IUS beat Purdue and he had he 
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breaking his knuckles, like 
clenching his jaw when talking 

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about Purdue. 
And he even said like, there 

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aren't words to describe how I 
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So it it's something like that. 
One of the leaders, one of the 

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three captains of this team, one
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that trickles down. 
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like, obviously Purdue is, is a 
rivalry game, but a lot of these

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guys aren't used to that. 
And he, he gave a very blunt 

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answer. 
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a rivalry game is and they know 
what this game means, what is at

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stake. 
I think they have all of the 

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motivation to go out and play 
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weeks of the season. 
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it comes down to his motivation.
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the capability and like you 
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game's going to rely a lot on 
the ground and the ground game 

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for IU has been tremendous this 
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The the line has been so good as
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to that second level and then 
the two running backs have been 

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great. 
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put up some damage. 
This could be a 200 yard game on

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the ground combined from Ellison
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in the mix. 
Let's talk about the weather 

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conditions that we're looking at
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You know, it is, it is one of 
those things where you you see a

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forecast early sometimes and you
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know, maybe it won't actually be
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And it's actually, I don't want 
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certainly hasn't gotten any 
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So, you know, as we, as we call 
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and share my screen here because
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this out. 
Look at the AccuWeather 

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forecast. 
So during the day it's 31 with 

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eight mile an hour winds gusting
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You got a 12% chance of snow and
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throughout the course of of the 
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But then you you get to the the 
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West wind today wind gusts to 
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precipitation and a real feel. 
That's the wind chill, folks of 

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14° and I'm gonna be fascinated 
to see how the crowd reacts to 

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this. 
As much as there's been a 

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renaissance, or maybe not a 
renaissance, a renaissance 

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involves that at one point 
implies at one point there were 

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football fans that were really 
excited about being football 

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fans, like all the new football 
fans for IU. 

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This is the acid test. 
You're gonna go out and stand in

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17° weather and watch this team 
play. 

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It's, I hope so because this 
team absolutely deserves the 

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support. 
But I do worry a little bit like

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if you go to StubHub tickets for
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$200 last week. 
The get in price as of 30 

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minutes ago is $50.00 including 
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So it seems like a lot of people
are potentially bailing and I am

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just kind of curious to see what
we end up with in Memorial 

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Stadium on Saturday night. 
It's a shame too because the 

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first ever night bucket game 
that was confirmed by sports 

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information. 
That's a real cool scene, the 

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bucket game under the lights. 
It's on national TV. 

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I'll be at FS1. 
It'd be great to have a big 

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crowd there. 
I'm just curious to see if if 

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people will actually venture out
for it. 

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I think it's tough because with,
with students, especially like 

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you never know who's going to be
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for people that are out of 
state, you don't know what kind 

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of plans they have to make, 
what, what kind of 

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accommodations they have to 
make, whether they have their 

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own car, whether they have to 
fly. 

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I'm lucky that I live in Indiana
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So I'll be there, but I'm not a 
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the student section. 
I'm going to be on the field. 

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So that's that's completely 
irrelevant to the point you're 

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making. 
Credentials, everybody. 

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He'd like you to know that, OK? 
But I I'm not sure, I haven't 

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really asked around about how 
many people are planning on 

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coming back. 
I, I, I was going to ask you, 

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are you surprised that this 
game's at 7? 

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Obviously it's cool for the 
history in the scene. 

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It's, you know, the final game. 
But of all the games that IU 

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could have gotten this late 
slate, like, you know, three 

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days ago, right? 
Why why is this one? 

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Why is this one the one that's 
under the lights? 

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It's because Indiana's 10 and 
one and is still technically 

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alive for a Big 10 championship 
game berth that that's why, you 

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know, yeah, Penn State and Ohio 
State both lose and Indiana 

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wins. 
Then Indiana's going to the Big 

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10 title game. 
Now, I don't think that's going 

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to happen. 
But look, the networks 

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generally, they'll go through 
and they will pick games based 

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upon what's going to make the 
most sense for them in terms of 

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potential ratings and in terms 
of which games matter the most. 

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And you know, the first draft 
pick for this week is always 

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Michigan, Ohio State, that's on 
Fox at Big Noon. 

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And you know, you've got CBS 
that decided it was going to 

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take Notre Dame, USC. 
So that's a 330 game. 

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You've got, you know, the other 
the other night game that's 

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being played in this one is 
Washington and Oregon. 

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That's a big game. 
It's going to draw a big crowd. 

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But the rest of them, it's like,
I mean, look, just look at the 

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games that are out there. 
Penn State, Maryland won't 

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really draw anything massive and
it's and then with, like you 

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said, with everything on the 
line. 

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It is a weird, it's also kind of
a weird week because you also 

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have games on Friday. 
So you know, you've got 

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Minnesota, Wisconsin playing at 
noon on CBS on Friday. 

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That could have been a 7:00 PM 
Saturday cake if that had not 

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been the day before. 
And you've also got Nebraska, 

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Iowa, which would be another 
relatively big game, Couple of 

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really big fan bases there. 
That's at 7:30 on Friday. 

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So I think, you know, the way 
that the slots worked out, it 

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made sense that I think if 
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think Indiana's probably the 330
game. 

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But because that didn't happen, 
obviously you move it to 7:00. 

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So that's that's why it is 
interesting. 

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But ultimately, Indiana, 9 
million people watch that 

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Indiana or Ohio State game, 
which is pretty wild to think 

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about. 
You know, Indiana's a 

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recognizable thing. 
They're they're, again, they're 

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likely to be in the College 
Football Playoff and that is 

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going to draw some audience. 
And I think that's a good thing 

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for Indiana. 
Absolutely. 

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And I think that right now, like
you said, they've earned this 

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kind of respect to to generate 
this audience, generate the fans

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being there. 
But you know, 20°, the wind 

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chill, it's going to be tough to
have them in the stadium. 

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And I don't want to make any for
dishes because I could say that 

446
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there's not going to it's going 
to be underwhelming. 

447
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,960
And all of a sudden that's 
53,000 strong that are just 

448
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,720
drunk and cold. 
But hey, who? 

449
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Who do I know? 
Well, we'll see. 

450
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,280
I mean, look, it'd be great if 
I, I do hope students come back.

451
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,040
I think it would be great to 
have the students back in the 

452
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,280
building for this one. 
And I just hope alums can, you 

453
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,080
know, find a way to to get in 
there and and make some noise. 

454
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,320
It's a team that deserves that 
level of support. 

455
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,240
It is going to be some kind of 
some tough conditions. 

456
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,400
But look, it's one of the, I 
mean, we've had games like this 

457
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,880
before. 
Generally speaking, people 

458
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,280
haven't shown up. 
I'm hoping that it'll be 

459
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,200
different this time, but it's 
tough in any environment. 

460
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,680
I mean, when we see those big 
night crowds at Penn State or 

461
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,880
Michigan State, generally not at
Michigan or Ohio State, 'cause 

462
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,200
they refuse to play night games,
it's, it's not 17°, it's like 

463
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,480
40°. 
There's a big difference between

464
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,400
those two temperatures. 
I'll be out there, you know, and

465
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,880
I'm looking forward to it, but 
I'm like, I'm also really trying

466
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,200
to game plan like how I'm going 
to handle the climate. 

467
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320
It's, and I think you should be 
doing the same. 

468
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,320
I I don't want frostbite amongst
IU sports media figures on the 

469
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,360
sideline, so I'm going. 
To I I got I got some big cabin 

470
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,080
socks, big gloves big. 
Coat. 

471
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Get a. 
Big 10. 

472
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,800
Get a ski mask. 
I do have a ski mask, should I 

473
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,600
go pull a balaclava? 
And I think you should I at this

474
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,240
point, you don't want to have 
your skin exposed like that for 

475
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,760
long periods of time. 
So that's true. 

476
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,360
That might be that. 
That might be the best idea, 

477
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,080
but. 
You, but you're in charge of 

478
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,360
everybody else among IU sports 
media on the sideline. 

479
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,920
You have to go make sure that 
they're all dressing properly. 

480
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,080
That's some that's some high 
stakes right there. 

481
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,800
Well, I'm shooting my own video.
Come on now. 

482
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,160
We're multitask down there. 
That's right, yeah. 

483
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,040
Students take it stabs the 
students with some crazy work 

484
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,920
right there. 
Especially when they live. 

485
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,440
With especially 11, that's your 
roommate. 

486
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,480
We are standing by as we're 
supposed to be doing. 

487
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Are you shocked that the game's 
still going on? 

488
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000
Shocked that? 
The game's still going on. 

489
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,280
Memphis and Michigan State are 
playing right now. 

490
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,560
And of course, we have this 
situation where ESPN decides 

491
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,040
that college basketball games 
are going to last two hours, 

492
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,360
which they never last two hours,
especially when the previous 

493
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,640
game didn't end in a timely 
manner. 

494
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,280
So we're just waiting for 
Memphis to, I think, finally 

495
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,200
finish off Michigan State. 
There'll probably be 9000 fouls 

496
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,160
in this thing. 
I did want to go ahead while 

497
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,240
we're waiting and talk through 
perhaps what I think the College

498
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,080
Football Playoff committee is 
going to do. 

499
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,320
And, you know, we, we might as 
well talk a little bit about 

500
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,120
this and, and talk through some 
of the scenarios. 

501
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:47,000
Because ultimately what's going 
to be fascinating about all of 

502
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,280
this is how does the committee 
decide they're going to go about

503
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,400
handling all of the chaos that 
happened this past week? 

504
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,920
There was a ton of it, Joe. 
We talked about a lot of it at 

505
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,720
the start of the show. 
Indiana, to some degree, kind of

506
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,240
got lucky in that they lost 
early and they lost to a team 

507
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
that was ranked second in the 
country on their home field. 

508
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,160
And you look at a lot of their 
competition, We mentioned some 

509
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,520
of them at the start of the 
show, Alabama, Ole Miss, you 

510
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,280
know, BYU, Colorado Army was 
they were kind of on a fringe, 

511
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
but these were all teams with 
the exception of Army that lost 

512
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,920
to inferior competition. 
And I think to some degree as 

513
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,400
much as people perhaps at the 
end of the Ohio State game might

514
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,240
have been tempted to say, oh, 
that disqualifies Indiana from 

515
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,000
the college football play off. 
Everything that happened after 

516
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,160
that basically said, well, no, 
actually not because a now 

517
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,160
Indiana's strength of schedule 
is basically twice as good as it

518
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,040
was before. 
It jumped from like 104th to 

519
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,360
52nd. 
And the teams that they're in 

520
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:53,400
competition with forbids all 
lost or the most of them lost at

521
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,080
least, So that that was probably
in a bad situation for Indiana, 

522
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,960
the best possible outcome. 
Yeah, and I will say kind of 

523
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,400
like with the the inaugural 
rankings of this season, 

524
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,760
something that Reece Davis said 
is how the rankings are going to

525
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,520
be pretty similar to the AP poll
rankings. 

526
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,480
And if you go to what the AP 
poll is currently, it's really 

527
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,920
I, I, I think it's going to 
allow IU to be. 

528
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,880
And obviously they're going to 
drop because of the loss. 

529
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,800
But I, I, I imagine the AP poll 
and the cloud Football Playoff 

530
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,800
will be relatively consistent 
because that's what it's been 

531
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
for the past couple weeks. 
And they've done a solid job. 

532
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,720
They've kind of stuck to that. 
They have obviously, like we've 

533
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,640
talked about honored teams that 
win and punish teams that lose. 

534
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,880
They're gonna punish Indiana, 
but they're also gonna punish 

535
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,040
these now three loss SEC teams. 
I'm not sure how much, but they 

536
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,080
will get punished. 
Yeah, it's, it's gonna be 

537
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,680
interesting because and I'm 
gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna call 

538
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
up my rankings here. 
I'm trying to do something 

539
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,760
special with the ticker and 
we'll see if I can get the 

540
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,000
ticker to work. 
All right, Well, maybe I can 

541
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,440
just do all this as a banner. 
OK, so that's not terribly 

542
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,520
readable. 
Maybe we can scroll that 

543
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,040
instead. 
Nope, it's not going to scroll. 

544
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,680
So if you can, you know what, 
let me let me edit that a little

545
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,200
bit just so it's a little bit 
easier to read. 

546
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,280
Keep talking Joe, while I do 
some some some on the fly 

547
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,080
graphic stuff here. 
Well, I will say it looks like 

548
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,200
from what your prediction is 
from what's been chattered 

549
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,080
around the national media that 
with a win against Purdue, I you

550
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,920
should be pretty much locked in.
The only thing is, is what the 

551
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,440
the championship games are going
to are going to entail. 

552
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,560
Just with all the chaos that can
still ensue. 

553
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,400
Like with Texas A&M, Texas 
playing this week in the Lone 

554
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Star showdown. 
I think that winner goes to the 

555
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,360
SEC championship. 
And like what if Texas A&M makes

556
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
the SEC championship against 
Georgia and then now Georgia's a

557
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,280
three loss team does a three 
loss SEC like you're in the 

558
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120
championship game. 
What what's the wager right 

559
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,200
there? 
So I don't know it just. 

560
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Well, so let's. 
Talk so much. 

561
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
There's so much still at stake. 
So here we go. 

562
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,280
So here's what I was trying to 
do. 

563
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,400
So if you look at this, 
basically this is my 

564
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,000
projections. 
So the way to interpret this, 

565
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,120
the first number is the number 
that I think the teams will be 

566
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,400
in the ranking. 
The second number is the seed, 

567
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,760
keeping in mind the auto bids. 
So I anticipate the committee is

568
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,240
going to have Oregon first. 
Still, there's no reason why 

569
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,200
they would drop them. 
Ohio State second, Texas third, 

570
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,480
Penn State 4th. 
Notre Dame 5th, Miami 6th, which

571
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,720
I I don't think Miami should be 
ahead of Indiana. 

572
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,760
I'm just going to say that right
now there's no argument for 

573
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Miami to be ahead of Indiana, 
but I just had a sneaking 

574
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,480
suspicion they'll end up there. 
Georgia 7th, Indiana 8th, 

575
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Tennessee 9th, Boise State 10th,
SMU 11th, Clemson 12th. 

576
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,480
But out of the playoff, Bama 
13th, SC 14th, Arizona State 

577
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,240
15th with the last auto bid. 
And So what that would set up 

578
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,240
would essentially be Oregon is 
the one seed, Texas is the two 

579
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,440
seed. 
Miami is the three seed. 

580
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Boise State is the 4. 
Ohio State is the 5. 

581
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,360
Penn State is the 6th. 
Notre Dame is the seven. 

582
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Georgia is the 8th. 
Indiana as the 9. 

583
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Tennessee is the 10 and SMU is 
the 11 and then Arizona State as

584
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,920
the 12. 
So in this scenario. 

585
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,080
IU in Athens. 
This would be IU going to 

586
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,640
Athens, which is here's. 
The. 

587
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,760
Here's the thing I'll say. 
The atmosphere there. 

588
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,520
I I hesitate with getting too 
much into any of the projected 

589
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,120
rankings because if I'm. 
Talking hypothetical, though. 

590
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:52,520
If Georgia does what you expect,
which is wins against Georgia 

591
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Tech. 
Right. 

592
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280
And then beats either Texas or 
Texas A&M in the SEC 

593
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,560
championship game. 
Georgia would be the two seed at

594
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,800
that point. 
And so you would not if you were

595
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Indiana be going there. 
You might instead be going to 

596
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,960
Athens or Texas, having lost in 
the SEC Championship game and 

597
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,600
and still not. 
That would probably that would 

598
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,240
probably be switching them right
there. 

599
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Right. 
You know, so there's a lot of 

600
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,680
things. 
And this is where it's important

601
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400
to keep in mind. 
Like right now, Oregon's won and

602
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Ohio State is five in terms of 
seeding. 

603
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,000
But as you said earlier, I would
expect Ohio State to beat Oregon

604
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,680
on a neutral field. 
You know, it's it's a neutral 

605
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,360
field, but there's going to be a
ton of Ohio State fans in Lucas,

606
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,800
Oregon. 
And so I would expect Ohio State

607
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,600
to win that game, which would 
make them the one seed and would

608
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,440
drop Oregon to five. 
Yeah. 

609
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,520
You know, Penn State is probably
locked in. 

610
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
You know, Penn State's probably 
not going to jump Oregon, I'm 

611
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,400
guessing at this point. 
Notre Dame. 

612
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,880
This is a situation where how 
does Notre Dame fare against 

613
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,520
USCUSC? 
Finally looks like they have a 

614
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,200
bit of a pulse. 
They they go and come from 

615
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,240
behind and they beat UCLA. 
They don't look like they're in 

616
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,760
the same ballpark as Notre Dame,
but Notre Dame's got to go to 

617
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,160
the Coliseum and play USC in LA,
so anything's possible. 

618
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Miami right now they're the 
three seed, but they got to beat

619
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Syracuse this weekend and then 
they're going to have to play 

620
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,880
SMU most likely in the ACC 
Championship in wool if SMU wins

621
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,120
that game. 
SMU is the three seed, not 

622
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Miami. 
And so this is where I would be 

623
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,040
cautious about getting too far 
mentally or emotionally down the

624
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,320
pathway of any of the current 
projections that you'll see 

625
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,160
tonight or anything that you're 
seeing here. 

626
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,920
Because ultimately, there's so 
much that will change here, not 

627
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,200
just this weekend, but also 
conference championship weekend 

628
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,640
that will materially affect the 
seating and where everybody's 

629
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,000
at. 
And keep in mind, like across 

630
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
the board here, like George's 
got to play Georgia Tech. 

631
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,440
They'll probably win that. 
But that's It's not 

632
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,680
inconceivable, given how 
inconsistent George's played and

633
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,400
given the fact that Georgia 
Tech's already knocked off 

634
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,840
Miami, that they could spring an
upset there. 

635
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Galen, did you just watch like 
The Princess Bride? 

636
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,080
You've used Inconceivable a few 
times. 

637
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,160
No, I'm a big fan of the word. 
I've never seen that movie. 

638
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,520
I've seen clips from that movie.
Well you have you have homework 

639
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,480
to do once once the the chats 
done. 

640
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,640
Those those of you in in the 
YouTube chat can't see this, but

641
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,120
the look on Emily Fox's face 
when I said I hadn't seen 

642
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Princess Bride gave me all kinds
of life that I didn't know that 

643
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,720
I had. 
That's tremendous. 

644
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,680
Yeah. 
It's one of those weird quirks. 

645
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,320
I've never, I've seen clips from
the movie. 

646
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Certainly I've never actually 
watched the thing all the way 

647
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,520
through. 
Not particularly upset about 

648
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
that either. 
OK, I remember. 

649
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Come on now. 
Yeah, I dated a girl in college 

650
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400
who had the exact same 
perspective I did, which was 

651
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,720
like, she had seen it and she's 
like, it was really not very 

652
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,160
good. 
It was terribly overrated. 

653
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,960
And so I was like, that's fine. 
I'm not, I'm not going to watch 

654
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280
it and I've I've stuck with that
for 25 years. 

655
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Looking at at some of the other 
items, Josh Bowles apparently 

656
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,280
has not seen Princess Bride 
either. 

657
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,120
Thank you, Josh. 
I'm glad I'm not the only one, 

658
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,600
but a couple of other ones. 
Tennessee still has to go to 

659
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,239
Vanderbilt and and I wouldn't. 
Spoiled some seasons. 

660
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,880
And and Vanderbilt, that is 
going to be their Super Bowl. 

661
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,440
If they could knocked, imagine 
beating Tennessee. 

662
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,960
Knock them. 
Out of the call, Triple playoff.

663
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,760
You know, Boise State is 
probably in good shape as long 

664
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,600
as they can beat UNLV. 
You know, the big interesting 

665
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,280
questions here are with some of 
these other matchups. 

666
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,239
So Nick Barna asked, do we want 
Texas or A&M to win Saturday? 

667
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,360
There's actually two schools of 
thought I would argue here. 

668
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,159
School. 
Well, OK, so school of thought A

669
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,320
says Texas that you just want to
knock A&M completely out of the 

670
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,239
picture and that I would I would
argue A&M's already knocked out 

671
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,040
of the picture. 
So, you know, but so the idea 

672
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,080
is, well, do you want Texas to 
win? 

673
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,720
So then they're in a position 
where they're going to be taking

674
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,240
on Georgia in the SEC 
championship game. 

675
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,760
I would argue that the you know,
it'd be it'd be interesting if 

676
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Texas lost that game. 
I don't think I think Texas 

677
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,840
still is in the playoffs, 
though. 

678
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Well, but maybe not well, OK, 
they may be in the that's a. 

679
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Big. 
That's a big punish. 

680
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,240
Hold on. 
They they may be in the playoff,

681
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,200
but they might be behind Indiana
because if you think about it, 

682
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,560
that Texas team at that point, 
if they lose that game is 10 and

683
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,320
2. 
They, they would have one more 

684
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,520
loss than Indiana and their best
win would be a three-point win 

685
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,080
on the road against Vanderbilt, 
unless I, I guess you could 

686
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
theoretically say, oh, the 
Oklahoma win is their best win. 

687
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,440
Now, I'm not sure if that would 
actually qualify, given that 

688
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,800
Oklahoma has had a very good 
season. 

689
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,400
They were ranked at the time 
that they played them. 

690
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,360
I, I think it would, there's an,
there's an argument to be made 

691
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,760
if, if Indiana blows out Purdue 
and Texas loses to A&M and then 

692
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,640
A&M goes in and loses to 
Georgia, A&M will be done 

693
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,680
anyway. 
But it might knock an SEC team 

694
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,640
like Texas down in the pecking 
order somewhat compared to where

695
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Indiana's at. 
The safest bet is probably what 

696
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
you just said. 
But but part of this here, Joe, 

697
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,440
if you're an Indiana fan, is you
want to host, you you want to 

698
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,360
you want to have an SEC team 
have to come here on the 20th or

699
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,800
21st and play. 
Yeah. 

700
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,120
And, you know, I think a, a 
Texas loss here and then an A&M 

701
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,720
loss to Georgia, which would be 
very likely in the SEC 

702
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,480
championship game, is a more 
sure route to Indiana being a 

703
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,000
team that could host because 
they might potentially move 

704
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,880
ahead of Texas in the pecking 
order. 

705
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,520
But you do run the risk if that 
is the scenario of A&M pulling 

706
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,640
the shocker and knocking off 
Georgia. 

707
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,040
And that could lead to an extra 
SEC team and players. 

708
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,000
So there's a lot of game theory 
here. 

709
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
The big one that I'm kind of 
looking at this weekend is the 

710
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Clemson SC game because either 
of those teams winning, that is 

711
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,880
a big win, especially if they're
up there, you know, 1214 in that

712
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,040
range. 
That's a big win. 

713
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,880
Clemson with some help, could be
playing in the ACC championship 

714
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,560
game. 
And if I think if Clemson beat 

715
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,000
South Carolina, it's going to be
hard like depending that one of 

716
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,840
these other teams doesn't lose, 
it's going to be kind of hard to

717
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,400
leave them out. 
So I don't think they'll, I 

718
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,960
don't think they'll Bunny hop 
Indiana. 

719
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,680
I think that's that's hard to do
right there. 

720
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,240
But. 
I don't know. 

721
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,240
They're they're fringe. 
They're fringe to get in. 

722
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,520
Here's the thing, a lot of the, 
a lot of the propaganda around 

723
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,160
South Carolina is just 
unintelligible BS being spewed 

724
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,600
by all of these SEC burner 
accounts and by their, their 

725
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,840
cronies in the media. 
I, I, I don't fundamentally 

726
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,400
understand the love for South 
Carolina given what they've done

727
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,600
so far this year. 
You know, we talked about this 

728
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,560
on the Crimson Cast Recap Show 
on Sunday, but if you look at 

729
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,960
who they've beaten, they've, 
they've got home wins against 

730
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,760
Texas A&M and then they've got a
four point win at home versus 

731
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,160
Missouri. 
If they beat Clemson, that's 

732
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,400
great. 
They'd still have 3 losses and 

733
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,840
they're, you know, that would be
their best win. 

734
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,520
I, I, I have a hard time seeing 
a team whose best wins are Texas

735
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,600
A&M, Missouri, and Clemson. 
You know, justifying getting in 

736
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,200
with three losses when your 
losses on the season were to 

737
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,240
LSU, Mississippi and Alabama. 
And the Mississippi loss was not

738
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,960
particularly close. 
You know, Clemson probably has a

739
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,720
worst case. 
You know, Clemson, what is their

740
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,160
best win, Joe? 
I, I'd, I, I would invite you to

741
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,880
go look at their schedule and 
tell me what their best win is. 

742
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,440
Is it, is it Pitt? 
Is it, I mean, it was South 

743
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,960
Carolina. 
If they beat South Carolina, 

744
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,040
that would become their best 
win. 

745
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,120
But that would. 
Oh wow, right touché touché. 

746
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,800
But but you know, it's 
interesting. 

747
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,840
It's like people like, oh, they 
beat they beat South Carolina. 

748
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,600
They should be considered in and
it's like they would have a win 

749
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,520
over a four loss South Carolina 
team at that point. 

750
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Like how how is that a 
qualifying victory? 

751
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,840
So these are the things that I 
that keep me up at night that I 

752
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
think about. 
I don't know exactly what the 

753
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,920
the committee decides to do in 
that circumstance. 

754
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,040
How much fun do you think the 
committee has having to, you 

755
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,120
know, debate debacle through all
of this? 

756
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,840
I don't know. 
They may have some fun. 

757
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
They probably, who knows. 
It's hard to say how the 

758
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,080
committee evaluates this stuff. 
I will say I think the 

759
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,680
committee's greatest joy is 
probably hearing people complain

760
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,640
about the things that they did 
after the fact. 

761
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,840
Absolutely right. 
But The thing is, is, would the 

762
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,840
would the, the the modern Joe 
Schmo have any a clue of who to 

763
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,800
put 12 teams in? 
I just don't think so. 

764
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,640
I well. 
No. 

765
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,920
I don't know. 
I don't know if there's a 

766
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,480
perfect way to do it. 
That's there's someone's gonna 

767
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,440
be mad at the end of the day. 
Yeah, there's, there's not a 

768
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,640
perfect way to do it. 
A lot of it really comes down 

769
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,800
there. 
There's a subjective element and

770
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,680
as much as committees generally 
stink in any walk of life, the 

771
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,200
reason you do it is that so you 
can try to arrive at some degree

772
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,640
of consensus. 
You know, with Indiana, the big 

773
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,480
thing. 
And, and this was brought up by 

774
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,920
Tanis in the chat, like I'd be 
if the if the committee decides 

775
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,040
they're going to punish Indiana 
too much for losing at the 

776
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,680
number two team in the country. 
I've got some questions. 

777
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,480
That's true. 
You know, and again, it's like, 

778
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,560
what is the distinguishing 
figure with Penn State schedule 

779
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,920
that makes them better than 
Indiana? 

780
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Penn State already lost at home 
to Ohio State. 

781
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,120
They didn't, you know, they're 
they're what, 5th or whatever it

782
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,320
is in the College Football 
Playoff rankings. 

783
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,200
And so I, I think there's got to
be some kind of an accounting 

784
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,120
about how the committee is 
looking at some of these teams. 

785
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,080
Miami is another one where Miami
lost. 

786
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,840
They dropped some. 
They didn't drop a tremendous 

787
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,520
amount. 
BYU did drop quite a bit. 

788
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,080
But again, BYU wasn't that good 
of a team. 

789
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,320
The statistics said they weren't
that good of a team. 

790
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,320
They, they got a lot of wins in 
the closing minutes. 

791
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,360
You know, they kind of skated 
by. 

792
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,000
They were not very highly rated 
in, in S&P Plus. 

793
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,320
And then they turned around and 
lost again. 

794
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,640
So I think that that was more of
them finding their level than it

795
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,960
was the committee punishing 
them. 

796
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,560
But so it's going to be a really
interesting question mark as we 

797
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,520
get to the, you know, I, my, my 
hope is that we don't see a 

798
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,160
situation where the committee 
does what the pollsters did, 

799
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,960
which was the overreactionary 
and decide that they're going to

800
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,080
rank both Miami and SMU above 
Indiana despite their resumes 

801
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,640
not justifying it and move 
Tennessee up ahead of Indiana, 

802
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,600
despite Tennessee beating UTEP 
over the week. 

803
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,400
Like I, I still have questions 
like this is where the polls 

804
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,600
just don't make a lot of sense. 
So you go, you lose at the 

805
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,920
number two team in the country, 
Another team beats a team that 

806
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,400
doesn't have a pulse and you're 
going to move them over that 

807
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,920
team. 
It it just doesn't really 

808
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,800
compute as far as I'm concerned.
The big thing they just the the 

809
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,680
what I've noticed the committee 
just doesn't like seeing losses.

810
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,040
And when it happens, it's just 
like this glaring alarm. 

811
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,040
And I, I think the fact that 
Penn State lost to Ohio State, 

812
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,760
like, and was it right before 
the 1st rankings or, or like a 

813
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,440
week before or something like 
that. 

814
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,720
So by the time the rankings come
out, it's like, oh, the loss was

815
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,680
to Ohio State. 
But now that the rankings are 

816
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,040
happening consistently, it's 
like they see this loss and it's

817
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,160
like, Oh my gosh, it doesn't 
matter who almost. 

818
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,880
And the whole strength of 
schedule too. 

819
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,000
Like now that IU has a stronger 
strength of schedule than Miami 

820
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,600
and SMU and also Oregon. 
So it's like you, you have to 

821
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,280
toss that argument out the 
window now because if you still 

822
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,560
use it, you got to now use it 
for SMU in Miami, which that 

823
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480
hasn't been the case. 
Yeah, exactly. 

824
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,480
So let's we're we're we're just 
go ESPN, their graphics 

825
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,280
department demanded that, you 
know, they get to show all of 

826
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,760
the pretty things that they 
design. 

827
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,840
So we're right now on the show, 
they're going through that 

828
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,560
process, they're explaining the 
buys and whatnot, and we've got 

829
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,280
the the playoff rankings from 
last week up obviously, that 

830
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,760
we're going to be keeping an eye
on. 

831
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,600
So last week, 25 through 20 was 
Illinois, UNLV, Mizzou, Iowa 

832
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,000
State, Arizona State and Tulane.
And we'll see what it looks like

833
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,840
this time around as they're 
still running through graphics. 

834
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,960
It's like guys maybe dump out of
the package as opposed to, you 

835
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,440
know, just just hitting the 
button like everything's normal.

836
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,480
They're still showing graphics 
here. 

837
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:27,360
I'm getting annoyed by this, 
Joe, frankly, we we're still 

838
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,960
showing graphics. 
The it's going to be 

839
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,920
interesting, I think next week 
more than anything else. 

840
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,320
You know, that's the ranking 
that that really ends up being 

841
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,080
the one that that sets 
everything going into that 

842
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,880
championship weekend. 
And and as we think about where 

843
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,680
Indiana's at, This is why this 
Purdue game coming up this week 

844
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,120
is is really, really important 
in terms of style points. 

845
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,920
OK, so we've got. 
Colorado. 

846
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,000
Colorado 25th, they dropped from
16th to 25th and that's not 

847
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,160
surprising. 
I'm a little surprised they're 

848
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,600
still in the top 25. 
We get Kansas State back in, so 

849
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,720
that's I guess not too 
surprising as well. 

850
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:11,080
They're kind of hovering around 
at 8:00 and. 

851
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,680
Three, here's a Big 10 team. 
Yeah, Illinois at 23rd. 

852
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Illinois, of course, needed a 
last second pass to beat Rutgers

853
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,280
over the weekend. 
They I was almost, I was almost 

854
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,720
right in. 
That is like, why is Illinois 

855
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,520
going to lose that game? 
They almost did UNLVA little bit

856
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,400
of a surprise here. 
They were 24th last week. 

857
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,240
They are now 22nd. 
They move up a couple of spots. 

858
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,800
That also with Boise State 
playing them, that now can 

859
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,080
solidify Boise State getting 
that top 4 getting that by if 

860
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,000
they win against UNLV pretty 
much. 

861
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,640
And then the the committee's 
I'll fated romance with Missouri

862
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,680
continues unabated up to 21st in
the poll despite no no clear 

863
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,800
sense as to why Texas A&M drops 
from 15th to 20th. 

864
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,160
So they dropped five whole spots
based upon that loss that they 

865
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,920
suffered this past weekend. 
Obviously some conversation 

866
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,680
being had around this Texas A&M.
That that's the crazy thing. 

867
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,960
If Tex A&M beats Texas and then 
somehow manages to beat Georgia 

868
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,520
in the SEC championship game and
now it's chaos. 

869
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,320
Now that's now that's a three 
loss Georgia team, Tex A&M with 

870
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,440
the auto bid. 
Well, and what what is happening

871
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,240
there? 
And A&M at that point is 

872
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,480
probably 13th or 14th. 
That could be a situation where 

873
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,560
the SEC champ doesn't get a buy.
Yeah, you know, that's well, 

874
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,360
let's let's put that a pin in 
that for a second. 

875
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,440
I we'll. 
We'll we'll wait to see what. 

876
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,240
I straight up four spots to 
18th. 

877
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Tulane up three spots. 
So they go from 20th to 17th 

878
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,160
Tulane hovering around. 
I mean, they're gonna get a 

879
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,240
chance to play Army in the AAC 
champion. 

880
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,200
They could if Boise. 
State loses. 

881
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,400
That's that's your next stop for
Group of Five. 

882
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,880
And then there's Arizona State. 
What a story them and Indiana 

883
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,240
both picked up, You know, bottom
of bottom of the barrel and just

884
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,120
the turn around. 
It's been, it's been remarkable.

885
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,000
We're. 
Starting to see teams that I had

886
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,840
had thought we would see I, I 
thought they would have Arizona 

887
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
State 15th. 
So Arizona State, who's going to

888
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,400
be the top rated Big 12 team, 
16th in the rankings? 

889
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,280
South Carolina, 15th. 
And. 

890
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Which means this is interesting.
So now I'm wondering what they 

891
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,480
did with the order from this 
point forward. 

892
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,760
So I had South Carolina 
projected to be 14th. 

893
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,640
They end up being 15th. 
They jump up three spots here. 

894
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,560
More conversation being had 
here, Ole. 

895
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,840
Miss. 
So Ole Miss is, I don't know, 

896
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,920
that's interesting. 
Ole Miss at 14th. 

897
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,760
That's actually bad news for 
South Carolina, I would argue. 

898
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,320
Yeah, that's. 
The fact that Ole Miss loses 

899
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,840
that game and still stays ahead 
of South Carolina, I think that 

900
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
I think Joe, the committee 
agrees with me that South 

901
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,760
Carolina's resume is kind of 
trashy. 

902
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,000
That's fair. 
It's not great. 

903
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,960
I'll let you. 
I, I, I hadn't noticed it until 

904
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,800
you you brought it up so. 
That's what I'm here for. 

905
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,000
I'll bite the bold on that one. 
There it is. 

906
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,160
Alabama drops 6 spots. 
I I mean, again, it's like, no 

907
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,880
question, Alabama's got why? 
Are we? 

908
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,440
Why are we showing Alabama 
highlights? 

909
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Because we had to. 
I think the ESPN is 

910
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,000
contractually obligated to show 
Alabama highlights. 

911
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Like if someone were to sneeze 
on ESP NS Air and the sound came

912
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,840
out and it sounded even vaguely 
like Alabama. 

913
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,760
Roll Tide or. 
Something Roll Tide. 

914
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,520
You'd have to show highlights of
Alabama. 

915
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,360
They they scored what, three 
points against Oklahoma and 

916
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,160
they're showing Alabama, Georgia
highlights Yes, that's. 

917
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,480
So. 
I guess make it make sense is 

918
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,720
what I'm getting at. 
I get the whole contract and 

919
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,280
whatever. 
But yeah, so I'm guessing 

920
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,880
Clemson is gonna be at 12. 
Clemson at 12. 

921
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,160
Let's see if. 
Let's see if that's actually. 

922
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Is that what you predicted? 
I had Clemson at 12 and there 

923
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,600
they are. 
So, so this is interesting. 

924
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,680
Again, I, I, I think that 
Clemson is overrated there, but 

925
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,760
the fact that they ranked 
Clemson there doesn't surprise 

926
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,360
me too much. 
Largely I think because Clemson 

927
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,480
has two losses, it does put 
Clemson in a position where they

928
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,760
will benefit if they beat South 
Carolina. 

929
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,920
It actually put South Carolina 
in a position where they'll 

930
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,600
benefit more if they beat 
Clemson. 

931
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,800
So this is something I think to 
keep in mind and and keep an eye

932
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,680
on. 
And now I think the big question

933
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,120
is where like what is this 11th 
team? 

934
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,240
I will say with the Clemson, SC,
it's going to be hard. 

935
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,720
They're going to need some help 
on the outside to try and get 

936
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,280
these other teams in. 
So now we wait to see who pops 

937
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,800
up at 11th. 
And this is, I think if Indiana 

938
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,920
doesn't pop up here, you can 
start to feel good. 

939
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,200
I think it's and it's Boise 
State at all. 

940
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,280
So yeah, Indiana should feel 
good. 

941
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,760
That means that Indiana is above
Boise State. 

942
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,720
And yes, as Joe has pointed out,
they are in. 

943
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,880
And you know, this is where the 
seeding thing becomes really 

944
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,040
interesting because the seeding 
aspect comes down to, you know, 

945
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,440
what are your top 4 conference 
champions? 

946
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,800
So Boise State, there is the 
fourth team and that. 

947
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,280
A fun team to watch. 
Ashton Gentie is unreal. 

948
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,880
Yeah, they are very fun. 
You know, they and they 

949
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,640
obviously played Oregon very 
well earlier on in the season. 

950
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,520
Well, someone might be a little 
bit of ahead of us in the 

951
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:40,640
comments. 
I I think I'm not sure that no, 

952
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,280
I think they're not ahead. 
Wow, Indiana does drop all the 

953
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,360
way to 10th. 
Well, that's. 

954
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,840
That's similar. 
Like I said, the AP poll, it's 

955
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,120
been pretty mirrored the entire 
time. 

956
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,800
Well, that's, that's not ideal 
for Indiana. 

957
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,560
And, and I would actually argue 
that's, that's a pretty big 

958
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,000
penalty for Indiana, especially 
with SMU ahead of them. 

959
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,640
So that's, again, I, I, on the 
one hand, it's helpful because 

960
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,080
either SMU or Miami is 
guaranteed to lose at least one 

961
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,640
more game and that will probably
drop Indiana under or excuse me,

962
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,360
or drop them under Indiana, 
whichever of those teams, you 

963
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,520
know. 
But this is where you do have to

964
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,840
be a little bit concerned now if
you're Indiana, because if 

965
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,920
Clemson beat South Carolina, is 
the committee setting it up 

966
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,280
where they would move Clemson 
ahead of Indiana in the pecking 

967
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,000
order? 
But then like again, just back 

968
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,760
to the whole like resume and 
stuff. 

969
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,480
I guess that's the ranked win 
the SO. 

970
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:44,200
So now Tennessee at 8th and. 
Big win against Utah. 

971
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,160
Yeah, and Tennessee in the last 
poll. 

972
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,240
So Tennessee goes up three spots
again. 

973
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,440
I, I don't, I don't really 
understand the metrics being 

974
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,920
used at this point by the 
committee when it comes to who 

975
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,560
they're ranking and why 'cause 
I, I again, I'm not. 

976
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,280
If it's strength of schedule, 
Indiana should be ahead of SMU. 

977
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,360
If it's losses, Indiana should 
be ahead of Tennessee. 

978
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,200
There's Georgia, and so we can 
kind of more or less guess what 

979
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,640
the rest of the rankings are 
going to be here with Miami in 

980
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:22,560
6th and then Northern Penn. 
State, Texas, Ohio State and 

981
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,120
Oregon so. 
So we'll wait for the remaining 

982
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,680
the remaining list here. 
I guess it's just back. 

983
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,280
That'll be interesting. 
So is this setting up for 

984
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Indiana to be the 11? 
I think it'd be Indiana would be

985
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,120
the 11 in this in this setup, 
Yeah, because there's Miami. 

986
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Oh, that's right. 
So Miami would be the three and 

987
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,640
then as we game this out. 
So Boise State at the four, 

988
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,560
Miami at the three. 
Texas at the two I set. 

989
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,840
The two Oregon at the one, Ohio 
State at the five, Penn State at

990
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,560
the six. 
Yep. 

991
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,560
So that would be in Indiana, 
Penn State, if what we're 

992
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,560
thinking is correct. 
I think that's correct. 

993
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,160
No, no, it wouldn't be. 
Or no? 

994
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,520
Is Indiana gonna be 10? 
Hold on a second, I'm doing the 

995
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,440
math real quick. 
I. 

996
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Thought I'd just do it in my 
head here, no? 

997
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,160
No, no, I got it. 
I got it here. 

998
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,880
So Indiana would be the 10 and I
think they would play Georgia. 

999
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:35,680
And that is, yeah. 
So basically, I think what we've

1000
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:42,120
got now is Oregon is the one, 
Texas is the two, Miami is the 

1001
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,800
three, Boise State is the 4, 
Ohio State is the 5, Notre Dame 

1002
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,120
is the six, Georgia is the 7, 
Tennessee is the 8, SMU is the 

1003
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,720
9, Indiana is the 10, Clemson is
the 11, and then Arizona State 

1004
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:57,480
is the 12. 
Yeah, that's exactly how it's 

1005
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,800
shaping up so, well, obviously 
you'd like to see Indiana move 

1006
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,560
higher. 
The nice thing is, as long as 

1007
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,920
Indiana handles business against
Purdue, they will move probably 

1008
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,200
at least one spot higher and 
maybe more than one spot higher.

1009
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,840
I will say this about what 
what's setting up right now is 

1010
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,600
the Big 10 runner up likely, 
unless if Ohio State gets 

1011
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,480
bounced back a little further. 
But if Oregon loses and is at 

1012
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,720
the five, their path is going to
be the Big 12 championship. 

1013
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,720
And then if they beat win that 
they play Boise State. 

1014
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,640
Just showing kind of what that 
path is for what the what the 

1015
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,200
projected five seed would be in 
this in this instance. 

1016
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,520
Yeah, but in this one, Indiana's
the last at large, so to speak. 

1017
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,240
And so that's going to be an 
interesting one for Indiana to 

1018
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,080
to deal with. 
And someone pointed out I did, I

1019
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,760
did. 
I didn't miss Penn State in that

1020
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,480
process. 
So this would put Indiana 

1021
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,520
against Penn State in what would
be the 611 match up. 

1022
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,080
It's a nice match up for 
Indiana. 

1023
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,600
There are worse. 
There are worse teams to play in

1024
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,520
this mess than Penn State. 
But you do worry a little bit 

1025
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,400
about the the way that this. 
Rematch. 

1026
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,440
Interesting. 
Yeah, they got a. 

1027
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Rematch right there with 
Tennessee, Georgia. 

1028
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,560
You worry a little bit about how
this this plays out for Indiana,

1029
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,880
though, because you've got 
Clemson lurking outside who's 

1030
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,680
going to get a chance at a a 
potentially bigger victory than 

1031
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,840
Indiana will. 
Or you have South Carolina 

1032
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,240
potentially getting a victory 
over the team that's the first 

1033
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:34,800
team out. 
Would that be enough to move 

1034
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,440
them ahead of Indiana? 
It's hard to that's. 

1035
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,040
Again, that's that's again that 
three loss team. 

1036
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,600
Exactly. 
You can't you can't have a three

1037
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,520
loss team in, especially if 
they're 11 and 1. 

1038
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,880
I feel like that's criminal to 
leave out, especially with 

1039
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,280
everything that happened last 
season with Florida State. 

1040
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,120
Yeah. 
I mean, well, yeah. 

1041
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,560
That just right there should be 
the end of the discussion. 

1042
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,720
Yeah, well, I mean again though 
as I'll as I'll note. 

1043
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:07,280
Because Penn State is is 10 and 
one and right now is 6. 

1044
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,400
As as I'll note, you know, I 
think you know, the thing that 

1045
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,640
Indiana's going to going to 
hopefully benefit from is Miami 

1046
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,320
and SMU are going to play each 
other. 

1047
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Miami is 3 spots ahead of SMU. 
If Miami beats SMU in the ACC 

1048
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,640
Championship game, or either way
really, you would think that 

1049
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,480
Indiana would move ahead of 
whoever loses that game. 

1050
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,040
That's that's what the word's 
going to be interesting. 

1051
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,400
I don't know how much weight 
they're going to put on the loss

1052
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,840
of the championship game. 
That's. 

1053
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,920
That's the biggest thing. 
They've got to, but they've got 

1054
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,720
to weight it to some degree. 
And there will be weight, but 

1055
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:47,240
like compared to a regular 
season loss, no, it's that 

1056
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,120
extra, it's that 13th game 
rather than I don't know. 

1057
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,760
Yeah, no, it's it's, it's 
certainly a possibility. 

1058
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,400
You know, the other thing, 
obviously, as we talked about 

1059
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,520
this is where you got to become 
big Vanderbilt fans this 

1060
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,080
weekend. 
You know, you, you want, you 

1061
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,080
want Tennessee to pick up 
another loss. 

1062
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,920
There aren't, there aren't a lot
of other teams up in this mix 

1063
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,120
that you know, other than other 
than Texas, which is, we said 

1064
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,280
like if Texas loses, the fact 
that they're still third, I, I 

1065
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,680
still don't fundamentally 
understand the thought process 

1066
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,960
they're given who their, you 
know, their whole resume has 

1067
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,640
been against. 
I mean, look at who their best 

1068
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,760
wins are. 
Their being third with that 

1069
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,240
resume is is a a bit of a head 
scratcher. 

1070
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,720
I think at the time when they 
played Michigan, they were 

1071
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,160
ranked too so. 
Now, I mean who? 

1072
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,720
That's the thing. 
It doesn't really. 

1073
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,440
Who? 
Cares at that point, same 

1074
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,920
Michigan team that IU beat. 
It's, it's an interesting, well,

1075
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,920
not even interesting. 
It's just, I don't know, it's 

1076
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,720
college football. 
So you look a a lot left to go 

1077
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:49,840
and that and then the other one,
of course, and, and the one I 

1078
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,880
think that everybody should be 
rooting for more than anything 

1079
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,520
else is USC and Notre Dame. 
You want USC to win that game 

1080
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,720
now, I think you've got a clear 
rationale for wanting Notre Dame

1081
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,440
to lose that game. 
And so that's something 

1082
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,440
everybody should be thinking 
about as we move forward. 

1083
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,000
But yeah, the the big question 
Mark's gonna be that, you know, 

1084
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,640
what happens with that South 
Carolina Clemson game now? 

1085
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,120
And does that harm Indiana? 
Indiana's going to need to, I 

1086
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,840
think, beat Purdue handily. 
They need to do what the 

1087
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,960
committee liked about them 
before, which was their ability 

1088
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,240
to win games by large margins. 
And that that seemed to be, I 

1089
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,280
think, the the key to how the 
committee evaluated Indiana in 

1090
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,120
the mix. 
And that's what went away the 

1091
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,120
last couple of weeks. 
I I agree with that. 

1092
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,880
I think they do need to show the
the team that was there the 1st 

1093
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,680
9 weeks, the team that was 
putting up 45 points per game 

1094
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,280
and beaten teams by 30. 
That team needs to be the one 

1095
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,440
that shows up. 
This can't be. 

1096
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,960
I understand it's cold and 
weather is going to be a factor,

1097
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,120
but this is a game where the 
offense needs to be. 

1098
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,080
They were at the time one of the
best scoring offenses in the 

1099
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,720
country before these past two 
weeks. 

1100
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,480
So that this is the type of game
you have to have a performance 

1101
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,160
like that show the country, not 
just for your own 

1102
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,800
self-confidence of a team, but 
you got to show the country that

1103
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,240
you belong in this moment 
because they, they believe they 

1104
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,680
belong and rightfully so, 
especially if they're 11:00 and 

1105
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,960
1:00. 
But there's people that don't 

1106
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,200
think they belong. 
That's that's that's where it 

1107
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,400
all comes out to those people 
that don't think are the ones 

1108
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,040
that are talking on this 
committee show right here. 

1109
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,560
Yeah. 
Well, you know, ultimately, I 

1110
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think you, this is where you 
probably got to root for root 

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00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,400
for South Carolina because 
again, as you said, I have a 

1112
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hard time envisioning a scenario
where they're going to put a, a 

1113
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,640
three loss SEC team in over a 
one loss Big 10 team. 

1114
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,960
I could see them trying to put 
another ACC team in the mix if 

1115
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,840
it's Clemson and Clemson is the 
bigger brand between those two. 

1116
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,240
And, and clearly, you know, that
matters. 

1117
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,560
Of course, these folks at ESPN 
after harping on Indiana's 

1118
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,200
strength of schedule forever, 
you know, as, as we hear from 

1119
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,360
our, our folks in the chat are 
now downplaying the strength of 

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,000
schedule jump like it doesn't 
matter. 

1121
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,360
So as I said before, the 
disingenuous arguments are going

1122
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,000
to be disingenuous regardless of
what the scenario is. 

1123
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,600
This is this is very much what 
you can expect from ESPN and the

1124
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,360
way that they have tried to 
shape the agenda on all of this 

1125
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,320
stuff. 
It's it's pretty, it's pretty 

1126
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,480
despicable, but it's, it's part 
of what they do. 

1127
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,200
So I don't know. 
It's the committee clearly has 

1128
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,240
some questions within itself 
about what it's deciding to 

1129
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:31,240
prefer within this process. 
And you know, Indiana's again, 

1130
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,880
they're they're going to have to
go out and, and show no mercy 

1131
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,120
and, and leave no doubt against 
Purdue and then hope some, they 

1132
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,920
get some extra cushion. 
We're we're we'll see a lot more

1133
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,800
next week, obviously, because 
most teams will be done by next 

1134
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,760
week in terms of their their 
seasons. 

1135
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,000
We'll just have the conference 
championship games afterwards. 

1136
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,800
And so we'll get a better sense 
at that point of who's gonna get

1137
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,200
in and what that's going to look
like. 

1138
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,080
So that's that's kind of where 
things are AT. 

1139
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,600
And I don't know, it's gonna be 
really fascinating next. 

1140
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,600
Yeah, I don't. 
Know if it'll be fun? 

1141
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,040
It might be stressful for some, 
but. 

1142
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,600
It's the. 
Holiday season isn't it? 

1143
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,040
That's right. 
That's what we need more stress 

1144
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,520
around the holidays, Joe. 
So anyway, you know, it's again,

1145
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,320
we'll, we'll see what happens. 
We'll have more podcast coverage

1146
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,160
coming up later on this week. 
Obviously a little tough with 

1147
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,880
the holidays, but we should, 
we'll at least have a preview 

1148
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,120
episode coming up for the Purdue
game. 

1149
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,280
And we'll have obviously our 
recap show on Sunday as Indiana 

1150
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,200
comes out of that game, 
hopefully victorious by a wide 

1151
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:40,840
margin and creating, you know, 
or, or lessening the doubt, 

1152
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,960
shall we say, as far as the 
committee's concerned. 

1153
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,920
So we'll we'll go ahead and and 
get ready to wrap up here. 

1154
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,440
Joe, any final thoughts from 
you? 

1155
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,040
Not really I think, like a lot 
of the comments are saying it's 

1156
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,480
kind of just a win and end show.
What like I said before, this is

1157
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,400
the one like you just got to 
this get the get back. 

1158
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,120
That's that's what it all comes 
down to. 

1159
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,360
There's been so much buzz around
this team this season, the highs

1160
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,320
and the very slim amount of lows
there, and they have to ride the

1161
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,400
high that they had for the 1st 9
weeks. 

1162
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:14,400
And it's very capable of doing 
it because I mean, we've seen it

1163
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,960
in front of our own eyes the 
majority of this season. 

1164
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,760
This team is talented. 
This team, I believe is 

1165
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,440
deserving of the one of the 12 
spots because they've played 

1166
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,760
like one of the top 12 teams and
they're deserving of it. 

1167
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,960
And there's no reason they 
should be left out because of 

1168
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,600
name brand I that's in. 
That's crazy to me. 

1169
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,720
Yeah, well, that's we'll we'll 
see. 

1170
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,040
I mean, you know, the, the big 
question mark is they jumped 

1171
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Clemson 5 spots from the last 
CFP rankings to this 112th or 

1172
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,840
from 17th to 12th. 
And that was off of a a win 

1173
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,160
against Pittsburgh. 
So what happens, you know, this 

1174
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,880
week if, if Clemson ends up 
beating South Carolina, I, I 

1175
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,440
feel like it's hard to make an 
argument for South Carolina over

1176
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,280
Indiana. 
It's probably easier in the 

1177
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,480
committee committee's eyes to 
make an argument for a 10 and 

1178
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,200
two team over an 11 and one 
team. 

1179
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,600
But we'll, we'll have to see how
things play out. 

1180
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,880
So anyway, we'll go ahead and 
wrap up here. 

1181
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,320
My thanks to all you folks for 
joining us here on Bison chat. 

1182
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,360
We'll be back obviously with 
another Bison chat next Tuesday.

1183
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,600
We'll sync that up with the 
rankings reveal as well. 

1184
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,320
We'll also have, as I mentioned,
the rest of our programming on 

1185
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,680
the back home network and across
all the IU sports media 

1186
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,160
properties. 
So for Joe and for our producer,

1187
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,720
Emily Fox, I'm Galen Clavio. 
Thanks for joining us here 

1188
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,680
tonight, folks. 
We will catch you folks. 

1189
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,040
On the flip side, bring back the
Bison, stay never daunted. 

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01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:41,160
So everybody.