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You're listening to the back 
home network, presented by home 

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field. 
Apparel, welcome back to 

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Crimson, Cask ale and clavius 
got Caulfield joining. 

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You once again, it is the 13th 
of December Tuesday night here 

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as Indiana in the midst of a 
lull. 

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In terms of men's basketball 
coming off that loss in Las 

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Vegas against the Arizona. 
Wildcats, they get a week off 

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and then they face the Kansas 
Jayhawks coming up, this 

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Saturday. 
We're going to talk a little bit

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about that game or talk a lot 
about the game, and the overall 

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experience in Las Vegas. 
And we'll kind of see where 

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things take us from there. 
Scott, how are you doing? 

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I'm good, we're both back. 
We made it back from Vegas and 

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one piece we did indeed make it 
back in one piece and it's nice 

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because it was a Trip enjoyable.
A lot of I you fans out there 

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and buy you fans, you know what 
was obvious not just I you fans 

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out there but so much home-field
apparel out there and just a 

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reminder that home field apparel
is a presenting sponsor the back

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home network. 
I mean it was it was like an I 

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was like a home-field apparel 
convention. 

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It really was. 
I mean, you saw pretty much 

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everything in the home field IU 
catalog about ten times over. 

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And what was great was you saw a
lot of Designs, you know, the 

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same designs, the Bison hoodie 
was pretty popular, but then you

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had people, I you fans in the IU
diaspora coming up and be like 

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wow man, that's cool that what a
nice retro design and then you 

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got to I got to tell the 
home-field story and all of that

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and that was, that was great. 
So we had a group more home 

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field gear than I saw Arizona 
face. 

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Yeah, I do not kidding. 
It's true that there were, there

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were probably, I would say, at 
least for home field shirts for 

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every Arizona fan. 
In Las Vegas during that time 

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period and maybe some are maybe 
some home field are are you 

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know, home field, sellers cells,
Arizona also but I joked it's 

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like the thing. 
I saw the most it was Rodeo 

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greater than I. 
You fans greater than I should 

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add home-field apparel greater 
than Arizona fans. 

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Yes. 
And it was one of those things 

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where you looked around and the 
people that weren't in 

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home-field apparel, it was like 
you need to get in the home 

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field apparel. 
And so, if you're one of those 

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people who is does not own a 
home field piece of a Peril that

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with Indiana stuff on it. 
You can go to home field, 

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apparel.com use the code home 15
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So be sure to do that home field
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here at the back home network, 
and with Crimson cast, so Scott,

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you know, we'll talk about the 
game in a second, but let's talk

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about the ambience of this 
event. 

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This was, I guess it was called 
The Clash or something along 

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those lines. 
It was a to, Game event. 

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Both of them happened on the 
same day on Saturday. 

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Indiana was the second game but 
it was a lot of fun just in 

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general. 
I mean there was a really cool 

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Vibe not just in the MGM Grand 
in Las Vegas but really kind of 

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anywhere you went on this trip, 
you saw I you people, you know, 

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I there were we went to the the 
Michael Jackson Cirque show my 

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wife and I did and they do this 
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they've got like this kind of 
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theme. 
And they would they take 

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pictures of just people in the 
crowd and they kind of super 

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impose their faces Behind these 
kind of mock, laugh tabloid 

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headlines. 
And there was like prominently a

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guy with like an IU shirt in one
of these, he kept popping up and

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I didn't I didn't like connect 
with me at first is like wow 

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like how how did how did an IU 
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Get that prominently in a 
tabloid but you know, obviously 

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was part of the show but it was 
all over the place crazy to the 

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point that after the game, I was
at a restaurant listening to an 

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Arizona fan. 
Playing bitterly about how many 

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IU fans, they saw all over the 
place but we got a chance to see

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a lot of friends, a lot of 
people who listen to the podcast

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and so you know, hopefully if 
you got a chance to come up and 

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say hi to one or both of us, we 
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you. 
Just a really cool Vibe all the 

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way around for I you fans out 
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No, it was, it was awesome. 
I was there with one of my best 

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friend's Teddy. 
I don't get to see very often. 

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He's a listener of the Pod but 
also A great friend of mine from

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high school from La. 
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him. 
It was wild like we're having 

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dinner the first night. 
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and then a guy I know comes up 
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like, oh yeah, you know, Dean 
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I'm like, oh, that's 
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And then we walk out, we're 
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and it's like, there's Dean 
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Oh my God, deidara like hey 
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for a couple minutes, we went to
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We're both Dean Garrett and 
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he said there was Fats. 
I was actually coming out of my 

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the elevator and That's when the
the mob of like IU fans, was 

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rushing to the lobby, to watch 
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That was kind of cool to see 
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No, it was the minute we landed.
It's like, wow, there's just a 

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lot of people with IU gear to 
the point that I was telling my 

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buddy Teddy at some point. 
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all went, but it's like, not 
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I'm seeing, can go to The Venue 
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doesn't seat 35,000 people, but 
not a lot of fans, I get to give

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to shout outs there as one my 
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Teddy. 
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one thing home field needs to 
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I was wearing the new IU jacket 
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I wish they would start selling 
the the shooting shirt so you 

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can see by the Candy Stripes 
like both heading our lamenting,

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like I love the shooting shirt, 
the red with the IU and the 

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script in the back, like, Adidas
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weeks and then they just stopped
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So we're talking. 
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And then I see a guy, a guy in 
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wife, but if it wasn't either, 
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But Go like she's got one like I
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You're wearing them the crazy 
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like that's the shirt. 
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And she's kind of like my sister
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are you Scott from Crimson cast 
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Yeah. 
It's like the voice. 

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Like the voice. 
I heard it. 

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I'm like, well good because I'm 
just some crazy man yelling at 

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your you're frightened. 
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that night went to dinner set. 
Oddly next to Gus Johnson like 

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two seats down from Gus Johnson.
At the bar did not talk to 

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because I do you think this are 
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minutes you Think it's like a 
cool job. 

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Like you did, you haven't 
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10:00 about East Coast times, 
like I'm wiped out. 

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I can only imagine Gus Johnson 
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the bar of Gordon Ramsay's 
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And like just trying to eat like
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every single phase. 
Coming up to him a gas from the 

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game. 
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It's like I felt bad for the 
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Like, I wanted to talk to her. 
Like I'm not a dick, let the man

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eat in peace, but he couldn't do
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And then it's like I'm tired. 
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I get in the elevator. 
I'm just like, I am. 

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As close to e is I'm going to be
and then the guy just the 

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elevators, like your scarf from 
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It greatly. 
Hey, family. 

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Hey like this. 
So, like I'm not a celebrity. 

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This is like, hey, man, I'm so 
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like, who's that guy? 
And he's from Iowa, but I'm just

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like you saw me at my, that was 
the least amount of a couch just

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about to fall asleep in the but 
no, it's so nice to talk people 

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who listen to the podcast. 
I also had a guy at a bar who 

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was like way drunk like talking 
about how he needs to get on 

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fentanyl or something else like 
what podcast. 

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Are you like I'm typing it in 
and his phone. 

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So it was it was everything you 
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all I say, if you haven't 
traveled for an IU event, like, 

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do it, it's fun. 
Like, I've got a bunch you and 

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I've been to a bunch, you know, 
gator boy with the thing in 

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Brooklyn. 
And while back like I haven't 

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seen a lot of wins. 
I was thinking about like, but 

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it's still a ton of fun being 
with your eye, you Brethren. 

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I love how you casually just 
blew off like maybe breaking a 

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guy's marriage up in that last 
vignette there. 

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It's, that's that It gets good, 
good form on your part. 

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No, it was great. 
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It's funny. 
I was leaving the arena which 

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that was story in and of itself 
and one-star Yelp review. 

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I do question I suck. 
I was walking by this group of 

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younger, I you fans and I said 
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And one of them's like your 
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immediately like where's Scott 
and like we travel is it as a 

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pair or something like that. 
I guess maybe that's what people

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think the other Rosencrantz and 
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podcasting, seen throwing him 
off - I said you're with Your 

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wife like this is Scott like 
he's had a major change. 

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No, that's wild for her keys, 
but no, it was a great time and 

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I really enjoyed getting a 
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It's it's just it's just kind of
cool all the way around. 

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So anyway let's talk about the 
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Because obviously yeah go ahead 
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Just 3 4 p.m. what were their 
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those who aren't you, can just 
like the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

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So first off Watching, there's 
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versus Washington state, which I
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tickets for everybody who was 
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and everyone, there was an IU 
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front of nobody, kind of bad, 
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But we're at this pregame party 
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it's like the court says 
Mandalay Bay and but by putting 

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Teddy's like, aren't we going to
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Like, yes, it is. 
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He's like, are you sure? 
We're going the right place. 

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I'm like, I was 100% sure. 
I'm now 80% sure the axis app to

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use the tickets you and I were 
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that whether you're going to get
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But I've been in a ton of 
Arenas, you've been an even more

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Arenas. 
First off they ran out of beer 

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like we're in Vegas. 
They ran out of beer before the 

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game started, which is Bonkers. 
I've never been to an arena that

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does numbering where you walk 
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sections are on the left odd. 
Number sections are on the 

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right. 
So, like, left side was like, 

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Sections 8. 
I think it was actually odd. 

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It's like sections 357. 
So we are in section 19. 

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A buddy. 
Texted me. 

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Like we're in section 20. 
I'm like, yeah, you're not next 

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to me. 
You're a cross. 

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It's the weirdest system of 
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ever seen in my life and PS it 
doesn't work. 

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Well, yeah, it was. 
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was getting out of there after 
the game, they took the entirety

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of the arena and had them go 
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to get out. 
I would just Just do the garage.

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We would like there was a back 
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people to start of funneling 
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So we were lucky, we went out 
the garage and came out like a 

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side street and walked up edge 
of the MGM Grand outside and got

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away but it looked like it 
sucked. 

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We see we tried that and then 
they chased us back out of the 

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fire. 
The, the emergency exits. 

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So we had to we got stuck in the
big morass of people getting out

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of there but anyway, between 
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pregame and us not being able to
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There was a game. 
And so, we talked about that, 

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obviously a disappointment for 
Indiana as they end up. 

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Losing this game, 89, 275. 
This was projected to be a much 

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closer game and honestly, if 
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to play defense at the level 
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doing. 
So I think it could have been a 

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really good game, but Indiana, 
it kind of got flattened right 

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off the bat in this one. 
Arizona came out and really just

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seized control. 
It's funny, Scott. 

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You know, two weeks ago in one 
of our classic Crimson cast, you

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know, jinx's, we talked about 
how this team wasn't allowing 

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big runs and and sure enough, 
though, in the Rutgers game, 

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they allow a huge run. 
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Arizona comes out and goes on a 
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I mean, that, right. 
I mean, I you was leading 4 to 2

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and I think at the Run started 
in, I think it was like the 

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middle of the 17th minute of the
first half. 

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Haven't ran all the way through 
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It was just a massacre and 
honestly you know it was 27 28 

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you know. 
I you down 19 less than 10 

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minutes into the game. 
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well I guess we will get to our 
dinner reservations on time 

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because we're all leaving it 
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Now you know, to Indiana's 
credit they call back and they 

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get it all the way back to. 
It was 3325 with about six 

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minutes to go. 
Go in the first half and they 

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got it back to about 10 at half 
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But really, you know, Arizona 
deserves all. 

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The credit they came out, they 
established what they wanted and

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basically made Indiana do 
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do. 
They spend the tempo up, they 

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lived on the offensive boards 
and I you just kind of looked 

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lost offensively and 
defensively. 

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Now it did get better. 
I you continued to claw back. 

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They started off that second 
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And look like, you know, at one 
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gotten it down to three and then
of course, Arizona went on a 

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12-2 to run from their kind of 
put the game not definitively 

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Out Of Reach and Deanna hovered 
around it being 0, being close 

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to Five Points that a little 
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there in the second half but 
just never really looked like a 

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true threat to come back and tie
the game or whatever so it was 

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disappointing. 
You know it wasn't, it wasn't 

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Magic by any means. 
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some good Lessons Learned, but a
lot of the things we thought 

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were just maybe isolated to the 
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Their ugly head again for 
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The one stat, that boggled my 
mind having watched the game and

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not really paying attention. 
No stats. 

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And that Arena, I will say it's 
actually a pretty good Arena to 

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watch a game. 
It wasn't bad at all. 

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Once you're in there and you 
didn't want a beer but it was no

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stats. 
And so like I'm having dinner 

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and kind of start flipping 
through Ken Palm shocked, like 

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you could have, I would have 
gotten this wrong and million 

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times out of a million. 
We shot the same exact same from

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three as Arizona. 
We both went 10 for 25, which I 

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thought we shot poorly. 
I thought, Arizona shot the 

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lights out. 
It does go to show that a like 

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sometimes your view of a game 
can be different than what the 

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stats be to say. 
But it also shows I think, at 

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one point cracking, I'm wrong 
and think Indiana was like, 1410

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43 and it does and it's during 
that that, you know, 25 To run 

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or whatever it that shows, how 
important when you get those 

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threes are met. 
When you get those threes matter

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as much as how many you end up 
with. 

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I was also thinking too that we 
have, you know, and rightfully 

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so if there was a time when 
Jordan Geronimo took a three and

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you got your like no no no and 
it's like it coming into the 

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game. 
Jordan Geronimo shooting 15 

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percent from three, which is a 
fair reason for you to say that.

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But it's like before the game 
before coming into the Game, 

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race Thompson was shooting. 14 
percent from three that he first

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was like, oh no. 
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And I realized like our entire 
team used to be Times. 

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Like, Jordan Halls, like. 
Yes. 

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All day long, like, even if you 
miss five like I know you're 

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gonna hit your next one. 
We basically have a team full of

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no no no yes guys from three. 
Like basically you know Xavier 

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Johnson and tomorrow Bates 
honestly it's pretty good stats 

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from three this year and a 
couple others. 

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But I would say for the most 
part even like when tomorrow's 

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shooting, I'm always a little 
bit nervous with his going to 

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make it. 
Your I think gets people in the 

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same boat, like, we have a team 
full of no. 

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No. 
Yes guys. 

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From three which, you know, I'll
take it from race, but it 

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definitely felt like that was 
not something. 

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I'm going to count on Gaiman 
game out, but no, I'm with you, 

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you know, it. 
I also left the game, top King 

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will get into that, but I did 
leave that game with a higher 

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thought to that, like, this is 
what frustrates me with the Big 

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Ten in that, you know, the that 
big guy. 

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I about Ballo from Arizona was 
just elbowing and just pushing 

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around but it felt very similar 
to ways that NCAA games are raft

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and it does feel like this is 
why Big Ten teams struggle in 

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the tournament. 
A lot of times is we're so used 

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to getting all of these touch 
fouls in an 18 game league and 

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then you play a game like this, 
where it's like, oh yeah, like 

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this is the way that most other 
teams are officiate. 

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There were some definite, 
officiating issues we can talk 

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about, but for the most part, It
was much more physical than a 

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Big Ten game and it did feel. 
None of this cost us the game 

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and it just did feel like again,
this is why you know, we 

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struggle sometimes the 
tournament but again this is 

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also why this game was so much 
more useful than we'd ever get 

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out of the crossroad. 
Classic for that exact reason, 

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like, you went against the team.
Yeah, it's a bummer. 

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I mean I'll finish with this sit
at the bar lamenting with my 

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buddy, Teddy like there. 
I don't know how to say this the

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right way, there was a Feeling 
And you and I saw this for years

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with bob Knight where there was 
moments where he was kind of 

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like you guys go out and take 
your beating like just go take 

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your Beating and then we're 
going to use this as a lesson 

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for the rest of the season. 
Again, I don't feel like what's 

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a never gave up or stop trying 
but they're, they're did feel 

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like, you know, the positive way
to spin this is like this does. 

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Now give Woodson, basically a 
chip to use the rest of the 

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year. 
So like if they win two or three

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in a row and they maybe they get
too big, it's like, hey Xavier 

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remember that game where you 
just got completely on door. 

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Hey, Trace. 
Mary's got completely beat down 

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against Arizona. 
Like that's what a top five team

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is going to do, like, let's 
like, let's not forget this and 

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it did feel like, I don't know, 
say Woodson, like, took his 

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hands off the wheel, but it felt
like he was just like, all 

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right, you guys got to figure 
this out partially because of 

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foul trouble. 
But to me, that's a positive way

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you can spin this out. 
Is we now know, you know, this 

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is what an upper echelon team. 
You know, a top one, two, three 

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seed in the tournament is going 
to look like what an you know, 

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big offense is going to do and 
what a physical team is going to

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do and so there's room. 
To grow 70. 

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That's a positive way. 
I, it's bombed, like I was 

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bummed that we got, our kind of 
our doors blown off to start and

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it felt like we never really had
a shot back in. 

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But I would say to anybody else,
like I'm not, the doors are not 

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falling in, and I've been saying
this all season, I say it again.

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Where I think we're going to 
finish the season is still where

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I thought. 
Now, I know, none of the nothing

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changes. 
I'm not concerned at all, but 

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those are some of my high-level 
thoughts. 

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And let's not forget, we're 
missing, you know, Jalen Hood 

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fito who wall like one player 
doesn't change anything. 

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Thing it really, really is a 
parent when like Xavier gets to 

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fouls and he goes out you're 
just like wow we have no one who

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can bring up the ball 
consistently and really run this

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offense consistently and I feel 
like that's the main thing 

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you're missing. 
Well, I think it's a thing that 

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you're missing. 
You it is there. 

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I mean no but with him not with 
him, not being there. 

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So clearly him not being in this
game was a huge difference. 

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As it really made a lot of what 
Indiana wanted to do 

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offensively, which is get the 
bullet racetracks and Davis and 

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use that as the fulcrum point of
the offense, just made it a not 

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work. 
And I, you struggled mightily 

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for that first 10 minutes of the
game because they could not get 

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anything going in the post and, 
you know where I think. 

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I can look at things from a 
negative perspective on but 

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offensive ly on the whole I you 
did okay in this game when you 

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think about how teams have done 
against Arizona so far this 

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year, this was not like the 
Rutgers game where Indiana's 

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offense just completely 
abandoned them. 

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This was a game where I think if
Indiana plays significantly 

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better on defense, they've got a
shot to win with the offensive 

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output that they have out there.
And you think about what they 

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got offensive ly in this game 
Miller. 

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Hop was 4 for 8 from three and, 
you know, it was really like, 

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you know, spotting his shots and
was confident. 

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That's what you want to see. 
He drove and actually hit a 

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shot, which they do that's 
surprising race Thompson was, 

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you know, willing to shoot from 
three, and was able to hit it. 

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Like, these are important 
things. 

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And as much as you know, you can
look at Xavier Johnson and say. 

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Well, we'll gosh man, you know, 
you went 3 for 13 from the 

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field. 
That's not good enough but he 

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also dished out 11 assists, you 
only had two turnovers. 

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Like you really did a great 
Great job of for generally when 

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he could the problem. 
And let me not forget tomorrow 

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Bates, who we were having a 
running debate about during the 

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game. 
But Bates put 13 points out on 

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the floor. 
And this is another game. 

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Now, this month that we've seen 
him, be able to contribute 

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offensively, and I think that 
that's huge. 

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We're Indiana, fell down was on 
offense, Trace Jackson, Davis 

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frankly was not a, I don't know 
if he shrunk from the moment or 

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wasn't able to figure out what 
he was supposed to do, or are 

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you just wasn't able to get him 
the ball in the right spots, but

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he Absolutely, smothered by the 
post defense that Arizona put 

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out there. 
And look, this is this is going 

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to be a problem that I don't 
know that Indiana can fix 

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without Jalen Hood safiye. 
No? 

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Because when they've been able 
to you know make like punish 

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teams for doubling Trace Jackson
Davis, it's been when they've 

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been able to quickly reverse the
ball, get it around the 

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perimeter. 
You know, once it's passed in, 

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they're able to get it back out 
again. 

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Reset what they're doing or 
exploit what's going on on the 

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opposite side? 
But I really only works with 

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that second ball handler and 
right now they don't have that 

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like Xavier Johnson, can't do 
that by himself and Trey 

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Galloway. 
Just not built for that. 

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Like that's not his game, that's
not really what he, what he can 

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do out there. 
And so I don't know if Trace 

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Jackson, Davis has yet figured 
out how to be the most 

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successful without that 
particular setup and it sucks 

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because I really would have 
loved to have seen Indiana at 

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full strength with the offense 
that they had been playing 

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against Xavier against. 
Carolina against, you know, the 

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early slate of games with Jalen.
Hurd Jaffe know what that would 

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have looked like, maybe it's 
better, maybe Indiana scoring, 

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you know, basket for basket with
Arizona and it's just a track 

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meet. 
But look I'll put that aside. 

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Nothing else other thing I'll 
say yeah. 

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Just want to say to that is like
the other concerning part to 

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that. 
Is you now have, you know, two 

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out of three games where traced 
action Davis just has numbers 

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that are just unlike what he 
normally has. 

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Like you know, Rutgers he's 
offensive rating of. 79, 

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Arizona, and offensive rating of
90 for both, well, 5 for 11 from

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the field for 410. 
And like, the, the really 

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concern is basically the teams 
are the smothering him. 

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You do worry like, did Rutgers 
run some stuff that Arizona saw?

441
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:29,800
No. 
Yeah, we can try some of this 

442
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,400
stuff but I also think there's 
some of that but I also think 

443
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,500
what it is is when you have Hood
Shafi? 

444
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:40,800
No out of the lineup and you 
bring, you know, Galloway in to 

445
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,100
the starting lineup. 
The trouble is you just need 

446
00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:47,600
more of these. 
Games of Miller cop consistently

447
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,400
shooting, 30, 40 percent from 
three and it's the points help. 

448
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,200
But the reason it's a 
three-point shooting thing is, 

449
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,500
if you have race Thompson, if he
can continue doing this, it's 

450
00:22:58,500 --> 00:22:59,700
great. 
But like tomorrow, Bates is on 

451
00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:02,500
the bench where that starting 
unit basically, it's like 

452
00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:06,500
everyone's a, you know, 
inconsistent or a sub 20% 

453
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,400
three-point shooter in that 
starting unit when Hood 

454
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,500
chiffino's not there. 
So it's like yeah we can triple 

455
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:15,900
team, you know, we can 
triple-teamed Jackson Davis, 

456
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,500
because No One's Gonna Hurt us 
from three. 

457
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,200
Like, if you're going to take 
two dribbles in, it's like by 

458
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,200
the time you get there we're 
going to be able to you know 

459
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,200
help on defense. 
So that's where the three-point 

460
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,400
shoot you just you have to have 
somebody who can hit at least. 

461
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,400
Keep the defense honest what 
even you're rotating the ball. 

462
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,000
You got to have somebody who 
keeps them honest and 

463
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,100
unfortunately with hoods Ruffino
out and some of the shooters 

464
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,600
still being streaky. 
You can just start the game were

465
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,200
like we're going to Triple team 
Jackson Davis. 

466
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,600
Well the other chance well the 
other the other issue and this 

467
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,100
actually, it ended. 
Rearing its head, not just in 

468
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,100
the Arizona game but the 
Nebraska game two is that 

469
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,600
Indiana has suddenly stopped 
getting to the free-throw line. 

470
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,500
You know, they shoot nine free 
throws total in this Arizona 

471
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,400
Game and you know, they made 
seven of them. 

472
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,300
They deserve credit for that but
they only made it there nine 

473
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:03,000
times. 
And against Nebraska, they only 

474
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,200
shot eight free throws against 
Rutgers. 

475
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,200
They only they shot 14 free 
throws. 

476
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,600
They only hit 8 of them. 
They've been out shot from the 

477
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,200
free throw line. 
Now in three consecutive games 

478
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,000
and there. 
Free-throw rate, which is 

479
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,100
basically a percentage of the 
amount of times that they end up

480
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:23,400
going to the line. 
It, it was 25, which is not 

481
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,700
great against Rutgers, it was 
13.3 against Nebraska and 13.0 

482
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,900
against Arizona. 
That's, that's a real troubling 

483
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:35,900
sign because what's happening is
not only they having trouble 

484
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,500
getting traced, Jackson Davis 
the ball but he's now not able 

485
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:41,200
to draw fouls. 
And I you does not seem to be 

486
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,700
able to drive against these 
packed zones and Look, I you hit

487
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:48,600
lots of shots from outside in 
this Arizona game but they were 

488
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,100
so far behind that Arizona, 
never really needed to come out 

489
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,900
of that. 
You know the it wasn't 

490
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,500
technically zone defense but 
like it played like his own. 

491
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,700
You know, this really tightly 
packed defense on the interior, 

492
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:07,000
that made it difficult for IU to
it'll find driving lanes and 

493
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,500
deal with contact as it was 
coming in at them and that has 

494
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,900
got to be a bigger component of 
things for Indiana, if they're 

495
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,500
going to be successful this 
season. 

496
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:19,000
On the whole, it's been fine. 
The problem is that in the last 

497
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,300
few games, it's been bad. 
And I think it's exactly what 

498
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:25,800
you just said, Rutgers really 
gave a blueprint, essentially 

499
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,700
for, here's how you make life, 
much harder for Indiana 

500
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:32,000
offensively, you locked 
racetracks and Davis down. 

501
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,600
And even if they shoot over you,
I you if they can't get the ball

502
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,800
inside, just seems to stop 
trying to go inside and that's 

503
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,100
something that has to be fixed. 
And I don't know what the fix to

504
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,900
that is right now. 
But they're going to see a lot 

505
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,600
more of that as they go into 
this Kansas game. 

506
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,500
And certainly as they get into 
the Big Ten season, if they 

507
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:57,000
can't figure out a way to, you 
know, do more in the lane and 

508
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,700
get Trace Jackson. 
Davis to a point where he's 

509
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,700
drawing fouls consistently and 
punishing the interior 

510
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,800
Defenders, because, right now, 
he isn't doing that. 

511
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,100
But the biggest thing to me, 
Scott? 

512
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,700
And I guess the thing that gives
me the most pause with that, 

513
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,900
Arizona game was how poorly 
Indiana played on defense. 

514
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,300
You know, the the adjusted 
efficiency numbers don't look 

515
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,600
that bad. 
But in this game, the raw 

516
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,700
efficiency numbers, they allowed
Arizona to score almost 1 Point 

517
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:28,000
3 points per possession. 
They shot 57 percent effective 

518
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,600
field goal percentage and I 
think the worst thing and this 

519
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,400
is again something we saw in the
Rutgers game over. 40% 

520
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,400
offensive, rebounding rate. 
For this Arizona team in that 

521
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,800
game, Arizona. 
Just they could have shot 

522
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,400
essentially with impunity 
because even if Missed. 

523
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,700
They were going to grab the 
rebound and probably lay it back

524
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,000
in. 
And that, you know, as we can 

525
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,500
talk about Jalen Hood, trophy 
know, being out. 

526
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:57,500
And that certainly affects the 
offense jail and Ruffino being 

527
00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,200
out is not affecting their 
ability to rebound or play 

528
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,500
defense. 
And that is really something 

529
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:08,800
that I find concerning because 
it against a team, like Arizona,

530
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,200
a really good offensive team and
they're going to run into more 

531
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,400
of those this season, they do 
not look up. 

532
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Up to the task right now and 
frankly that's surprising like I

533
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,200
expected the offense would still
struggle. 

534
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:24,400
I was expecting the defense 
would be a top five top ten 

535
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,800
level defense and it does not 
look that way right now that's 

536
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,300
not a bad defense. 
It's still top 25. 

537
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:33,800
It's still it's about the same 
level statistically as we saw 

538
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,300
last year but it is 
underperforming pretty 

539
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,900
significantly. 
And that really does concern me 

540
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,900
because what I think about this 
team they're going to have 

541
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,500
shooting slump. 
They're going to have 

542
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,300
situations. 
Where Trace Jackson Davis gets 

543
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,500
shut down. 
They have to be able to rely on 

544
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,600
their defense, has the primary 
weapon in their Arsenal. 

545
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200
That's why I thought they might 
win this game against Arizona 

546
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
and they essentially no showed 
on defense for most of this 

547
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,100
game. 
Yeah. 

548
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,300
Now and they also let Arizona, 
like you said get more offensive

549
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:03,500
rebounds. 
And that's the thing that 

550
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:08,700
concerns me over the last three 
games is it's okay. 

551
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:11,800
If you're going to have bad 
three-point shooting kind of the

552
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,200
Hidden Gem with this team is 
they were really Lee doing a 

553
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600
great job on the offensive 
boards and that you go into 

554
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,300
Rutgers and you only get nine 
offensive rebounds but you you 

555
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:24,500
have a negative 8 to Rutgers, 
and Rutgers had, you know, 17 

556
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,500
offensive. 
Rebounds to r9u outrebounded 

557
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,200
Nebraska on offense with seven 
but that's only three more than 

558
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,100
them still only seven. 
And then, you know, Arizona had 

559
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,700
three more offensive rebounds 
and you look, you can't continue

560
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,900
to get let the other team. 
Get more offensive rebounds 

561
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,300
while. 
Also, you know, if you're not 

562
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:46,600
shooting a the 3s A level that 
you need to, which just this far

563
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,300
this season, the Arizona game 
feels like a bit of an outlier. 

564
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,300
Like I'm not sure we're going to
shoot 40 percent from three game

565
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,100
in game out. 
So, you know, that's the other 

566
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,800
concerning part two, is that on 
the again, your I agree with you

567
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,000
on the defensive side, on the 
offensive side that you can, you

568
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,300
can do bad, three-point shooting
if you have a lot of good 

569
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:05,400
offensive, rebounding, your kind
of, now, in a spot where you're 

570
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,200
getting your now, getting out, 
offensive rebounded by teams, 

571
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,500
but I agree with you on the 
defense, you know, the only 

572
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,700
thing that I would say is this 
is Probably one of the most 

573
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:19,700
elite offenses you're going to 
see ya this season and they were

574
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:22,600
also playing at a pretty good 
pace. 

575
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:26,300
And the officials were also kind
of calling the game in a way 

576
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,600
that definitely benefited 
Arizona, I agree with that. 

577
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,700
My concern is that they also let
Rutgers get that level of 

578
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,200
offensive rebounding against 
them, you know. 

579
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,000
So it's like it just feels like 
it and I'm again, I'm not like 

580
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,300
not sounding an alarm or 
anything, but it is concerning 

581
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:44,400
because, you know, you're if 
you're if you have aspirations 

582
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:49,400
Beyond like the fifth seed, in 
the Big Ten tournament and 

583
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,200
Beyond the second round of the 
NCAA tournament. 

584
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,000
This is the type of Team you're 
going to run into and, you know,

585
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,800
I think free for a team that is,
you know, as got as many veteran

586
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,300
players as this Indiana team 
does especially in the post. 

587
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,900
It's been disheartening in these
last two of these last three 

588
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,500
games to see them underperform 
to the way that they have in 

589
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,600
defense and in rebounding and 
you know they got to play Kansas

590
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600
next. 
It's like okay they got to snap 

591
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,800
out of it then and play a much 
better game there. 

592
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,600
That is something. 
I'm really curious to see some 

593
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,700
other. 
That's what's funny with. 

594
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,800
Like you'll start the year and 
it's like, and I get, I get 

595
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,800
sucked into this to like, oh my 
God, we're so deep and then 

596
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,700
that's like, you play the 
Arizona game and it's like, all 

597
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:34,900
right, if Trace Jackson Davis, 
can't guard Bellow. 

598
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,000
You know, it's like we had 
nobody, who could develop we 

599
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,700
had, nobody could guard him 
like, Malik renew, definitely 

600
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,900
looked like a freshman playing 
against those guys, and then 

601
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,700
you'll hit your feet owes out. 
It's like we have no one who can

602
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,400
bring up the ball like You get 
real thin real quick. 

603
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,800
When you start playing some of 
these games were just two and a 

604
00:30:48,808 --> 00:30:50,700
half weeks ago, I feel like even
on this pod. 

605
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000
Yeah, I was kind of talking 
about how deep we are, like, 

606
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,200
it's so great. 
We have so many different 

607
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,900
options and suddenly, it's like 
you and this happens every year 

608
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,200
I was like, but just remember 
how quickly you become a 

609
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,100
seven-man rotation before, you 
know it? 

610
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,400
Well, that's the thing. 
I mean, not having jail Hood, 

611
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,400
Ruffino changes. 
What is essentially a seven and 

612
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
a half or an eight-and-a-half 
man rotation into a seven-man 

613
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,900
rotation and It's that 
flexibility that having him in 

614
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,100
their provides and it's, you 
know, it's interesting because 

615
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:21,700
you know, they lost tree 
Galloway for a few games. 

616
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:25,400
It didn't have the same effect 
because Galloway is a nice 

617
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,700
complementary piece but he's not
a core piece. 

618
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,200
He's a guy. 
You want to bring in as a guy 

619
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,100
that's Off the Bench. 
Not someone who's starting 

620
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,300
because it cuts down 
significantly on your options to

621
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:39,200
bring someone in to replace him.
But also forces, Miller cop and 

622
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,000
do a different role at forces, 
race Thompson to be more in the 

623
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,900
post all the time. 
And look, I mean, you're right, 

624
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,500
like renew and I think we're 
news gonna have ups and downs. 

625
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,700
He's a freshman. 
He's a very talented player 

626
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,400
physically, he certainly got a 
lot of skill, but there have 

627
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,300
been moments thus far, that have
been too big for him. 

628
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,700
And I think it's going to be 
interesting watching and kind of

629
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:04,100
round into shape and, and get 
his sea legs under him. 

630
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,300
So to speak and not be as 
daunted by some of these 

631
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,900
situations that he finds himself
in Jordan Geronimo is one of 

632
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:14,200
those players where you just ask
I was going to ask you about 

633
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,500
him. 
Because I think a lot of people 

634
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:20,100
were expecting a huge jump this 
year, but you look at it now and

635
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,300
like it's, he's feasting on some
bad teams and when the games are

636
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,200
important, he just hasn't hasn't
had the numbers or really hasn't

637
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,300
been playing more than seven or 
eight minutes. 

638
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,300
Which tells me, you know, the 
staff doesn't think he's 

639
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:34,600
contributing at a level that 
needs to be in these games. 

640
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,800
It's interesting because he's 
playing, you know, his minutes 

641
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,100
thus far as about the same as it
was last year, now, that was for

642
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:46,000
the whole season, you know. 
And where I think everybody 

643
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,700
myself included was hoping that 
we'd see Jordan Geronimo take a 

644
00:32:49,708 --> 00:32:53,800
leap. 
It was he got you 20 minutes 

645
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,400
against Michigan in the Big. 
Ten Tournament, he played 19 

646
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,400
minutes in that game, against 
Wyoming, he played 13 minutes in

647
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,700
the Purdue game. 
Like, you looked at those games 

648
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:05,900
and you say, wow, if you could 
get 15 to 20 really solid 

649
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,600
minutes out of Jordan Geronimo, 
that totally changes the 

650
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,600
equation. 
And, you know, it's as you said,

651
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,300
he's, he's Formed well against 
minnows, but then really as 

652
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,900
struggled in all of the 
meaningful games and at the end 

653
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:24,300
of the day and this is not so 
sound like a criticism and it's 

654
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,700
more just a realization like, 
Jordan geronimo's, a great 

655
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:30,700
athlete. 
He's not a great technical 

656
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:35,700
basketball player like he really
struggles with his defensive 

657
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,800
positioning. 
He struggles with rebounding 

658
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600
positioning. 
He's, you know, he can, he's 

659
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,200
capable of hitting shots, but a 
lot of times in the speed That 

660
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,500
you must play in against top 
level competition who really 

661
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:52,100
know what they're doing. 
He gets lost very quickly and, 

662
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,100
you know, from from a basketball
IQ perspective, there's there's 

663
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,800
not much of a comparison between
him and Malik renew, like renew 

664
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,500
is clearly a much more yet 
natural basketball player. 

665
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,000
And renewed has played more 
minutes already this season, but

666
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,199
you can't play all of renews. 
Many can't give all of Jordan 

667
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,500
geronimo's minutes to renew both
because you need that extra body

668
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,900
in the rotation in the The post 
and because, as we've seen Malik

669
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:20,400
renew is not ready to play that 
number of minutes, he maybe 

670
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,199
later on in the season, but you 
did hope that Jordan Geronimo 

671
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,100
would be making more of a 
contribution given the flashes 

672
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:30,300
he showed at the end of last 
year and I'm sure he'll have 

673
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:31,800
some great moments down the 
line. 

674
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,199
But I don't think he's going to 
be a decisive piece for this IU 

675
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,699
team against bigger competition.
Yep. 

676
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:40,300
A great. 
So I think I think I fell into 

677
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,500
it, too. 
Like, you kind of just thought, 

678
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,900
like, maybe he had figured 
something out at the end of last

679
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:45,400
season. 
When Reality seems like maybe he

680
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,100
just had a couple of good games,
which is great, but it's like 

681
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,100
I'm with you. 
He doesn't seem like the guy 

682
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,900
who's like going to be fighting 
for you know the starting spot 

683
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,900
anytime soon which is above our 
because like we're you know, 

684
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,500
kind of hitting the court past 
the quarter, Mark of his junior 

685
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,900
year like it quickly gets to be 
a senior before you know it. 

686
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:06,200
Yeah. 
Well look I still have hopes for

687
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Geronimo that even if he can't 
be a guy that plays more than 

688
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,700
you know regularly eight to ten 
minutes against Tom competition.

689
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,200
Look You can get him in there 
and he can, grab rebounds and he

690
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,300
can commit her tactical fouls 
and, you know, make life 

691
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,900
miserable. 
That's really what I want to see

692
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,100
out of him. 
Like I just want to see him 

693
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:27,900
become more of a body in the 
post that makes it difficult for

694
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,500
opponents to do what they want 
to do. 

695
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,900
And that's that's probably the 
thing that seems like it's most 

696
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,500
missing. 
But look overall, when I look at

697
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:41,200
this I you team it's there's 
still a lot to like it's just at

698
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,700
this point you're not seeing the
full IU Team without Don't let 

699
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:48,100
your Fino out there and I do 
worry, I mean, this is a number 

700
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,900
of games that he's missed now. 
We know we're told. 

701
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,700
It's back, spasms. 
And you just got to keep your 

702
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:56,000
fingers crossed and that this 
isn't something that recurs 

703
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,100
throughout the course of the 
entire year. 

704
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,300
I know he would like to get back
out there but, you know, even 

705
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:05,600
though he doesn't provide a huge
amount in terms of scoring, he 

706
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,800
just had such a different 
dimension in terms of passing 

707
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,700
and defense. 
And, and, you know, that's I 

708
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,700
think the thing about Trey, 
Galloway's minutes thus far 

709
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,200
gallop He was really struggling 
on defense against that Arizona 

710
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,600
team and and again, like you 
said that's a great offensive 

711
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,300
team that Arizona's got, you got
to give them a lot of credit but

712
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,200
it's it's just this is the kind 
of match up that is a measuring 

713
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,600
stick. 
And, you know, so I would it 

714
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,100
was, it was interesting because 
talking with most of the IU fans

715
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:37,700
that I talk to you after the 
game. 

716
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,400
There were quibbles about 
individual player performances 

717
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,000
and we talked about Trace 
Jackson Davis. 

718
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,900
Like, this was the kind of game,
where if Indiana was Win. 

719
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,800
Trace Jackson Davis had to be 
the alpha out there. 

720
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,500
He had to take control and he 
looked completely beaten down by

721
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,000
the end of the game. 
He and that was that was the 

722
00:36:54,008 --> 00:36:55,800
thing that people have probably 
mentioned the most. 

723
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,400
It's like, you know, fourth-year
player, you know, All-America 

724
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,100
candidate. 
This is a guy that really has to

725
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:08,500
be more viscerally engaged and 
be on top of things and grit 

726
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:12,700
out, you know, the kind of play 
that you need and lead, by 

727
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:14,400
example, I don't know if he's a 
killer. 

728
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,800
Actually that player but we've 
had those questions about him 

729
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,300
for a while but we're I think 
that this game is really 

730
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:24,300
important and this Kansas game 
that's coming up is that as you 

731
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,800
said you know earlier on these 
are things that now players have

732
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,700
in their heads. 
It's like well I remember how I 

733
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,600
felt at the end of that Rutgers 
game or at the end of the the 

734
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Arizona game. 
I need to play at a level higher

735
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,700
or two levels higher because I 
don't want to feel that way 

736
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:46,400
again and you just hope that 
that's Thing that sinks in and 

737
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,500
if it'll get me sink in and it 
may just be that maybe Indiana 

738
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,700
isn't capable of playing at that
level. 

739
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,300
You know? 
That's as much as we've talked 

740
00:37:55,300 --> 00:38:00,500
about this team in the Big Ten. 
It's you know now now I guess 

741
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,400
this is where the rubber really 
starts to hit the road and you 

742
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,000
know, now that this is not a 
horrific lie down year in the 

743
00:38:07,008 --> 00:38:09,700
Big. 
Ten Purdue looks never as Purdue

744
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,300
looks very good. 
Maryland looks very good. 

745
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,100
Illinois, looks very good. 
These Are all teams that Indiana

746
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,800
is going to have to beat you 
know, throughout the course of 

747
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,900
the Big Ten season and you know 
look at this point statistically

748
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,400
they're there. 
But the question is going to be,

749
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,700
does this team have mental 
toughness? 

750
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,400
Do they have physical toughness?
Are they going to allow 

751
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,800
themselves to get shoved around?
Or are they going to be the 

752
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,800
aggressor? 
You know, I think that that's 

753
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,200
the biggest lesson that I've 
learned so far. 

754
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,100
From these games in December, is
that you? 

755
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,500
Look at the Rutgers game, 
Indiana was not the aggressor. 

756
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,200
You look at Care Arizona game 
Indiana was not the aggressor. 

757
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,800
And in both of those games they 
let the opponent dictate 

758
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,400
everything. 
And yeah, they made Valiant 

759
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,100
comeback efforts. 
I was really pleased in the 

760
00:38:55,107 --> 00:38:57,300
Arizona game. 
In particular, with how Indiana 

761
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:01,400
was resilient, didn't quit, you 
know, didn't just get satisfied 

762
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,600
with going out and losing by 25,
or 30. 

763
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,200
But that only takes you so far 
because you got to go back and 

764
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,900
say, why didn't you play that 
way from the beginning, why you 

765
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,500
did, you look? 
So, shell, shocked, when Arizona

766
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,400
came out, just To doing whatever
they wanted on the floor and 

767
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,700
that is where if this Indiana 
team is going to hit that next 

768
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:23,000
tier and really be competitive 
in the conference. 

769
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,900
They've got to figure out how to
come out and immediately impact 

770
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:29,100
games. 
Not wait for the game to come to

771
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,300
that. 
Yes. 

772
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,500
Yeah. 
Agreed with all of that. 

773
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,500
And the other thing that we 
touched on earlier, but I'm 

774
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:42,300
going to touch on again that is 
drove us both Bonkers in the 

775
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:44,400
Archie Miller era and I thought 
was gone. 

776
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,500
But it needs to be addressed 
that you know in the Rutgers 

777
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:52,300
game you have in the second half
a 17200 run that Rutgers had 

778
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,500
over basically a four and a half
minute stretch in the Arizona, 

779
00:39:55,500 --> 00:40:00,300
gave you at a 3:35 run in the 
first half at a 12-2 to run. 

780
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:05,200
Second half the 3:36 Run was 
like a 25 to 40 is like, another

781
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,900
45 minute run. 
Like you just you, that's has to

782
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,700
stop. 
Like, we can't have these runs 

783
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:17,200
that lasts for 45 minutes. 
Like, this isn't even a, you 

784
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,700
know, a Kentucky team that's 
like blitzing, you with full 

785
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,200
court pressure and like, steel, 
three, steel three. 

786
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,100
Like it would almost be better 
if it was like a 12-2 run in a 

787
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,500
minute. 
It's like, oh my God. 

788
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:30,300
What you guys got blitzed? 
Like, these are extended. 

789
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,600
A 25-minute, just you stop 
scoring and it's as its as much 

790
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,700
of a run as it is like the other
team is just continuing to play 

791
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:41,700
a game of basketball and we're 
not scoring and that was 

792
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,900
infuriating in the Archie. 
Miller are because you, and I 

793
00:40:43,908 --> 00:40:45,800
was joke, like there was one of 
those every game. 

794
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,800
Like, I don't know when it was 
going to happen, but we were not

795
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
going to score for four minutes.
Could we lived through it. 

796
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,500
You can't as we learn to four 
years in Archie, it's really 

797
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,800
hard to win games. 
The Big Ten. 

798
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:57,800
If you're just having a 
four-minute stretch where you're

799
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,300
not scoring and this is now two 
out. 

800
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,700
Three games where we have these 
big droughts or not scoring. 

801
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,900
And so something has to change, 
whether it's changing things up 

802
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,200
defensively, whether it's just 
savior Johnson's, got to drive 

803
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,600
to the basket, whether it's the 
coaching staff needs to call all

804
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,500
their timeouts. 
I mean, some combination of 

805
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,900
everything has to happen, 
because we can't slip back into 

806
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:23,700
where that happens again and we 
just all get used to that, like,

807
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:25,600
that has to stop. 
And so that's the thing that I 

808
00:41:25,607 --> 00:41:28,300
take from these two games that, 
that worries me. 

809
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:32,200
The most is, I don't like seeing
that Seat back into our 

810
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,300
basketball play, because it will
submarine the season? 

811
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,900
Yeah, I mean. 
Well, look, there's a lot of 

812
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,100
season left to play. 
And yeah, it's going to be 

813
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,900
interesting to see how I you 
responds to this. 

814
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,300
And, and what the other, can I 
look future for a sec? 

815
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:51,100
Go ahead looking ahead to the 
Kansas game, you know, the thing

816
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,200
and, you know, the hood sophina 
things, as I look at the 

817
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,700
schedule, like you said, you 
know, it's a back thing. 

818
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,500
We're not sure when he will be 
back on, think it's been 

819
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,400
announced if he's playing. 
For Kansas or not. 

820
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,200
We probably won't know till Gabe
of the thing that does concern 

821
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,500
me is like if he's still not 
good for Kansas and it probably 

822
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,400
makes sense like all right, just
show them for Ilan and Kennesaw 

823
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,800
State but which makes sense. 
But then it's like, all right. 

824
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,800
He hasn't that he will not have 
played for a month and it's like

825
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,000
you're going to have to get back
into gameplay and really there's

826
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,900
only one nice landing spot. 
It's not even that easy but 

827
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,200
like, you know at Iowa's tough 
but maybe you bring him back for

828
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,900
the The Northwestern Penn State 
Wisconsin Trio, which isn't 

829
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,500
exactly easy, but it's like 
after that it just, you're, 

830
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,700
you're in the meat. 
Like after that, it's like, do 

831
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:40,600
you want your first game back in
a month and a half to be 

832
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Illinois or Michigan State? 
Like maybe could be Minnesota 

833
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,200
but then it's like, you know, 
Ohio State, Maryland, Peru 

834
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,500
Rutgers. 
It's just there really isn't an 

835
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,300
opening here, so that's my other
Hood should be no concern as 

836
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,700
we're getting to that point. 
Where even if he comes back, 

837
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,700
we've had enough time off that. 
He might need two or three games

838
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,200
to acclimatize. 
I'm not sure where that is. 

839
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,500
Is soap. 
Anyway, just just a thought on 

840
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,200
the future and Pacino as well. 
Yeah, we'll see what happens. 

841
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,000
It'll be II mean. 
I have a, I have a suspicion 

842
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,900
will see him sooner rather than 
later. 

843
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,800
And this is where right. 
You know, if he's able to 

844
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
contribute a little bit in the 
Kansas game or even if not, you 

845
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,500
know, the hope is get him out 
there against deal on, get him 

846
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,000
out there against Kennesaw State
and then you've got another week

847
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,700
and a half basically of resting 
them up before that Iowa game. 

848
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,300
So, yeah, it'll be interesting 
to see how all that plays. 

849
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,400
He's out. 
Anything else you want to touch 

850
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,500
on? 
I mean, you know, going into the

851
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,700
Kansas game, I guess we'll give 
a little bit of a preview of 

852
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:39,400
that. 
You felt you felt confident 

853
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,700
against Morgan's Kansas than 
Arizona. 

854
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,400
Well, let's put it this way. 
I think physically, speaking 

855
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,500
Kansas is a lot less 
intimidating than Arizona. 

856
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,900
I mean, you know that Arizona 
Frontline like you said, is not 

857
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:56,200
something that Indiana has dealt
with, you know, a 7-footer, a 

858
00:43:56,207 --> 00:44:00,200
611 guy and then a bunch of 
really athletic players. 

859
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,600
That. 
Yeah, I mean, the Off the Bench,

860
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,700
I mean Visa or the finished kid 
is a seven footer as well, you 

861
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,100
know? 
So I think about it and I'm 

862
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:12,800
like, you know, Kansas is a 
very, very talented basketball 

863
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,500
team. 
That's a team that is chalk full

864
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:18,600
of top level talent, but I don't
think there's anybody on that 

865
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,800
team. 
That's so physically 

866
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,300
overwhelming, that Indiana is 
going to shrink from the moment,

867
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,300
you know, Kansas is not 
dissimilar to Indiana in terms 

868
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,200
of overall statistics like thus 
far, they are a bit better. 

869
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:32,900
Better than Indiana in most 
things, but there's a lot of 

870
00:44:32,908 --> 00:44:35,600
similarities between these two 
teams. 

871
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,500
You know, it's interesting. 
The looking at the like, 

872
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,800
shooting numbers. 
They're very even Indiana. 

873
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,400
Actually is shooting slightly 
better from the free-throw line.

874
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,800
They both neither than get to 
the free-throw line, as well as 

875
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,100
you'd probably like to see. 
So I see some Mirror Image items

876
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:55,300
here as far as this this Kansas 
team is concerned, but clearly, 

877
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:58,700
you know, they're playing at 
home and you know, you look at 

878
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:00,200
what they've done so far this 
season. 

879
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:03,300
They had the nice win against 
Duke on a neutral floor earlier 

880
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,500
on they just wiped the floor 
with Mizzou at Mizzou. 

881
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,300
That's not a huge accomplishment
because mizzou's not that good. 

882
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:13,700
You know, they they beat 
Wisconsin down in Atlantis, you 

883
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:16,600
know. 
So they've got I'd say a similar

884
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,300
slate of Victories right now as 
to what Indiana has. 

885
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:25,400
So I think you know look 
ultimately I use biggest issues 

886
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,900
in this game are going to be, 
you know, are you able to 

887
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,500
contain it? 
Kansas from an offensive 

888
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:33,900
perspective. 
They have a lot of players who 

889
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,500
are really good at scoring the 
basketball. 

890
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:40,100
Jalen Wilson is a top level 
player. 

891
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,000
He's, he takes a lot of shots, 
he's also very active on the 

892
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,700
boards. 
He draws a lot of fouls. 

893
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,900
Grady dick who's a freshman as 
been kind of a sensation for 

894
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:52,300
them. 
You know, he's shooting 46% from

895
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:55,700
three, thus far this season and 
then you got diwan Harris KJ 

896
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:57,200
Adams. 
I mean, you got a lot of players

897
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,700
that are concerning If you're 
Indiana, this is where Indiana's

898
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,000
really got to spend the whole 
week figuring out. 

899
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,900
OK, what makes this Kansas team 
tick? 

900
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,200
And defensively? 
We have to give an effort beyond

901
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,800
anything that we've given up to 
this year, better than what they

902
00:46:12,808 --> 00:46:15,200
played against North Carolina, 
better than what they played 

903
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,300
against Xavier. 
I don't know that it would 

904
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:20,100
necessarily be enough. 
And what I've seen out of 

905
00:46:20,107 --> 00:46:24,300
Indiana defensively so far leads
me to believe, you know, I might

906
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:27,100
a lot of my optimism about that 
Kansas game was based on the 

907
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,400
idea that if Indiana goes in and
play the defense that we think 

908
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,900
they're capable of playing. 
A against Arizona that's going 

909
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:35,700
to travel well they didn't and I
am a bit worried that Kansas is 

910
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:39,700
going to overwhelm them 
offensively and you know the one

911
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:43,400
Saving Grace for Indiana in this
is that fog Allen Fieldhouse is 

912
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,900
not going to have the students 
in huge numbers likely because 

913
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,700
it's the day after finals and 
I'm guessing a bunch of people 

914
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:53,800
are going home but it's going to
be one of those games where the 

915
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,100
atmosphere is going to be 
problematic for IU. 

916
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,000
I think it's gonna be a lot of 
Kansas fans that are really 

917
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,700
fired up to play against 
Indiana. 

918
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:04,100
And Indiana while they did win a
game on the road at Xavier and a

919
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,800
hostile environment. 
This is a whole nother level 

920
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,900
beyond that. 
I don't know how they're going 

921
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:11,300
to handle that situation because
we really have never seen them 

922
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:14,100
outside of the conference in 
that kind of an environment. 

923
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,200
Correct. 
And you look at like, you know, 

924
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,700
Tennessee did beat Kansas. 
You know what was Tennessee able

925
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:22,800
to do? 
You know, they didn't really out

926
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,500
your, they outrebounded them 
defensively, they outrebounded 

927
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:29,700
them offensive lie but they held
Kansas to shooting based, you 

928
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:33,400
know. 
They shot 23% from 35 421 

929
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,600
asthma. 
Kansas shot in that game. 

930
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
They lost, they shot 37% from 
to. 

931
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:39,600
I didn't watch much of that 
game, but, I mean, you know, 

932
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,700
Tennessee is good defensively. 
They held Kansas 250 points, 

933
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:48,400
that, that we've seen Indiana 
play that kind of like this is 

934
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
to your point. 
This is where Indiana has to be 

935
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,700
as Elite as they've been all 
year in rebounding and 

936
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:58,300
defensively because you can stop
this Kansas team. 

937
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,100
It can be done, you just have to
get up there. 

938
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:03,000
You know, the good thing is, 
they don't shoot free throws 

939
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,900
very well, Miller shot 64 
percent and that loss to 

940
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,300
Tennessee. 
But over the season I think 

941
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:09,400
they're only shooting the pull 
back up here. 

942
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,500
They're only shooting 66% from 
the line. 

943
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,900
So you can file them, they're 
not going to make a ton of, you 

944
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:18,600
know, a ton of free throws. 
That's the blueprint is you 

945
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,200
basically have to play the elite
defense that we know this 

946
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,500
Indiana team can play. 
They just have to get locked in 

947
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:27,300
and really make their own 
aggression on their own, you 

948
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,900
know, they can't, they're not 
gonna be a crowd there to fire 

949
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,100
them up. 
Obviously, well, so it can be 

950
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:33,100
done. 
But I'm with you. 

951
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:35,900
I'm concerned whether it whether
we can actually do it. 

952
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,100
This is what we thought the 
formula was against Arizona was 

953
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:42,200
well look you know, Utah, not 
that great of a team pretty, you

954
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,600
know, decent top 45 top 50 can 
Palm team held, Arizona 2.86 

955
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,700
points per possession and it's 
like oh well you know gosh they 

956
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:55,700
kind of like what you just said 
like they held Arizona to 44 28 

957
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:58,200
from three. 
They held them under 50% from to

958
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:02,300
which now you've gone and That 
Arizona team in person are like,

959
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,200
like, what did they poison the 
water before they play? 

960
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,700
Like, how did they do that? 
So, that's where you look at 

961
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,600
Tennessee. 
And Tennessee, was able to 

962
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,200
absolutely neuter. 
Kansas is offense? 

963
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,700
So I go. 
Yeah. 

964
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,100
Indiana should be able to do 
that. 

965
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,800
I think it's going to be that 
simple because a that game was 

966
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,500
on a neutral Court. 
Be Tennessee, might be the best 

967
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,900
defensive team in the country 
this year. 

968
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,100
And see Indiana has yet to show 
that they're able to actually 

969
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:31,900
play that level of Defense. 
So, Look when ddl else is like, 

970
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,700
that game was in Atlantis, like 
in a ballroom which is a weird 

971
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:37,000
place to shoot versus. 
Yeah, they're playing on their 

972
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,000
home court gasps. 
Oh look a lot of fan and again 

973
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,200
though I'll say we said this is 
the beginning of the year. 

974
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:46,800
If Indiana loses the Arizona 
game, if they lose the the 

975
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,600
Kansas game it literally cost 
you nothing. 

976
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,500
It's funny that Arizona game not
only will it not hurt Indiana. 

977
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,400
It'll hurt Indiana even less 
because it will get discounted 

978
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,000
in the eyes of the selection 
committee for seeding because 

979
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,700
they didn't have Jalen kitchen. 
Now, that does get factored into

980
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,600
it, you know, we'll see what 
happens with this Kansas game. 

981
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,800
But the, I do a lot of IU fans 
are like well, you know, gosh, 

982
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,900
I'm tired of just like, we're 
doing it for the experience. 

983
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:15,400
We need to just win these games,
and I really think the the 

984
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,000
development of this team is not 
at yet. 

985
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:21,600
I think you can get there, 
really fast by playing these 

986
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,800
types of games, but it's not yet
at where it needs to be to 

987
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,700
really compete. 
Now, we'll see a lot mentally 

988
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:30,900
from this Indiana team in terms 
of how they handle, Well, this 

989
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,500
week after the Arizona loss, 
that will tell us a lot about 

990
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,600
what the actual ceiling of this 
Indiana team is, I think. 

991
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,800
But I'll also say, you know, if 
you go in and get wiped at 

992
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,200
Kansas, it's I mean, well, join 
the club. 

993
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Like a lot of teams have done 
that over the course of time, it

994
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,800
doesn't necessarily imply that 
you're not going to be able to 

995
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,100
do, you know, good things moving
forward. 

996
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:59,500
It's just going to be kind of a,
you know, a fascinating thing to

997
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,300
watch. 
Kansas is not unbeatable at home

998
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:07,400
Kentucky last year went in and 
beat Kansas in fog Allen 

999
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,200
Fieldhouse by 18 points that 
that Kansas team, turn around 

1000
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,600
and only lost three games the 
entire rest of the season and 

1001
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,600
won the national title. 
You know, so you can catch teams

1002
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,300
on bad days. 
I'm just really curious to see 

1003
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:23,100
how Indiana does in this and I'm
excited to get a chance to watch

1004
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,500
some play in it. 
Yeah. 

1005
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:26,500
No, I agree. 
And I mean, this is something 

1006
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,700
you and I and I think a lot, a 
lot of people talked about, like

1007
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,500
there was these four key games, 
they Savior, North Carolina, 

1008
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Arizona, and Kansas. 
And I think you and I both said,

1009
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,400
like there's a world where they 
could go and for and I still 

1010
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,600
don't think it's bad for the 
team and I said, you know, one 

1011
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,200
in three is possible and that's 
not awful, we're going to be two

1012
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,100
and two, no matter what happens.
We could be three in one but 

1013
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,500
we're at worst. 
We're going to be two and two 

1014
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,000
and there are some concerning 
things that are starting to take

1015
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,800
trend on this team. 
The things you and I talked 

1016
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,300
about but I will reiterate I 
still look at this team as a 

1017
00:51:59,308 --> 00:52:02,500
team that can finish. 
Top three in the Big Ten and, 

1018
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,800
you know, have a shot at a sweet
16 and that's nothing of that 

1019
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,900
has changed is the only thing 
that happened is, I look at 

1020
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:10,600
Arizona, Mike, right? 
That's a team that we might play

1021
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,400
in the sweet 16 like and this is
why I think the ceiling of this 

1022
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,900
team is probably right in that. 
Sweet 16 level. 

1023
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:19,000
The question is, do we learn 
enough throughout the year 

1024
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:23,100
where, you know, maybe in March,
we've learned enough for we can 

1025
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,900
really take down a team like 
Arizona, because again, that 

1026
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,100
game sucked and we had a run 
against it, but we got to within

1027
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:33,200
five, More than a couple of 
times when we were there it 

1028
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,900
wasn't a complete just you know,
shellacking. 

1029
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:40,300
So you know take that I just 
would tell people calm down. 

1030
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:46,600
It's a long season and you know 
in the end of the year God 

1031
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,000
forbid Purdue doesn't win the 
national title like more than 

1032
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,500
likely. 
They're going to you know shit 

1033
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,500
out in the mid in the the elite 
any of the sweet 16 or something

1034
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,300
like Purdue always does. 
It's like who cares if you win 

1035
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,700
December? 
Like Purdue is 1 December they 1

1036
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,900
November. 1 December, that's 
great. 

1037
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,800
It's December 13th as I see it 
now, like, it doesn't matter 

1038
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,400
what happens. 
Now, this is the model of 

1039
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,300
Michigan state. 
That I feel like we've always 

1040
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:12,800
talked about. 
Like, this is what they do. 

1041
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,600
Is they get their butts kicked 
for a while, they play a lot of 

1042
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,800
tough opponents, they kind of go
in hibernation, you don't see 

1043
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,700
him for they get off the top 25,
you'll see him for a while, and 

1044
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,300
then suddenly, you look up in 
the Big Ten and it's like, oh 

1045
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:27,000
wow, they're 13. 
And one like what happened? 

1046
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,500
And I'm not sure, we're going to
be at that level, but You know, 

1047
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,100
I can see this team doing that 
where we get into the Big 10 and

1048
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:35,300
we can suddenly rattle off. 
You know, we can be 82 in the 

1049
00:53:35,308 --> 00:53:36,900
Big Ten. 
It's like, oh yeah, Indiana's 

1050
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:38,600
legit. 
And they've got some Battle 

1051
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,300
Scars and they're ready to go. 
And so I'm, you know, I still, 

1052
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,500
while I have concerns, there's 
things that are, you know, 

1053
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:46,500
little lights on the dashboard. 
They're starting to twinkle 

1054
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:49,400
making me a little nervous. 
I still think in the end, this 

1055
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,600
team has the exact same 
trajectory that I had at the 

1056
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,000
beginning of the year. 
So I feel okay and I'm excited 

1057
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
to see what they can do against 
Kansas. 

1058
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,400
On that note, we'll wrap it up, 
good, good chat and looking 

1059
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,900
forward to it, and we'll be back
next week to talk more IU 

1060
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:06,000
basketball as we head into the 
holiday season. 

1061
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,100
Be less to talk about. 
Because if you were games after 

1062
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:13,000
this Kansas game, Indiana 
doesn't have a lot going on 

1063
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,300
during the holidays, the getting
some time off, which will be 

1064
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,100
nice for everybody. 
Ourselves included with the 

1065
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:23,100
reset button and a re reset, I 
guess, as I just said it starts,

1066
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,400
that's if you're just, you're 
right into it. 

1067
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,900
Like, there's it. 
The Minnesota game is the only 

1068
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:31,500
respite from January to the end 
of March. 

1069
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:34,100
Yeah. 
It's it's one of those deals 

1070
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,500
where you're you're going to 
have to just kind of take a deep

1071
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:40,700
breath because that whole month 
of January, it's like every 

1072
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:43,500
three days. 
With one exception, you've got a

1073
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:47,000
brand new game. 
You got 115 day break between 

1074
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,100
the Wisconsin and Illinois 
games, but it's like 5811 

1075
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:55,000
fourteenth, nineteen, twenty 
second, twenty, fifth twenty 

1076
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,000
eight, thirty first. 
I mean, Whoo, so going to be 

1077
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,500
fast and they're all against 
teams that are in the top 60 and

1078
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,100
Ken pumpkin Galen. 
I thought the big tent was down 

1079
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,900
its I do you do every year big 
Ten's down, who do, what's going

1080
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,100
on confusing? 
I've got my fainting couch, I'm 

1081
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,000
so shocked. 
Anyway, all right, for Scott, 

1082
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,200
I'm gala. 
This is Crimson cast. 

1083
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,100
Thanks for listening and folks 
will be back next week with more

1084
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:18,700
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1085
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:22,200
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back home network. 

1086
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,700
Be sure to tune into assembly 
call after the Kansas game for 

1087
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,200
immediate insight. 
It's will catch you folks on the

1088
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,400
flip side, bring back the Bison.
So on everybody. 

1089
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,700
It's will catch you folks on the
flip side, bring back the Bison.

1090
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,400
So on everybody.