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Welcome back to Crimson, Cask 
ale, and clavius got Caulfield 

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joining. 
You once again, as we didn't 

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think, we'd be coming back to 
you this quickly, but we are and

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season's over for IU. 
Men's basketball rough day. 

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If you were an IU fan in 
Indianapolis yesterday is the 

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men lost. 
I think somewhat expectedly. 

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Why the women lost unexpectedly 
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The women season still has a lot
to go but man, just, I mean both

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games happening. 
Simultaneously Scott for a while

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there. 
It looked like both teams were 

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going to win. 
Both teams end up losing, just 

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kind of a major bummer you. 
And I ended up talking for like 

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25 minutes on the phone after 
the men's game was over and it's

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amazing people talk about, you 
know, the curse of Bob night and

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you know like problems with the 
program overall, like what what 

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is the issue? 
The Big Ten Tournament now for 

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both programs, the women want it
once and that was back in 2002. 

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This is not a playground of 
dreams for IU basketball. 

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Men, were women over time. 
It's really getting annoying. 

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Yeah, I think, on our last pot, 
we realize we've never we've 

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only won two games once. 
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to like, again, I took mentioned
many times like my buddy, Robert

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who's Michigan State fan was 
like, man. 

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It's the first time we've 
Michigan. 

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State's never been played on 
Friday like then, fuck you. 

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Hey, what's Friday? 
They liked it like it, it's like

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it is. 
It's mind-boggling. 

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How bad will do it. 
It just it goes to show, you 

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know, I think this is the sad 
realization. 

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We all have to come to like 
we're not top of that. 

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We're not an elite program in 
the Big Ten, like we're not only

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program in the country, we're 
not Elite program in the Big 

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Ten, like you don't. 
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around since 98. 
I was at the first one, where we

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also incidentally, won a game 
and lost two games. 

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Like that was very prophetic. 
What we were going to be doing, 

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you can't just be this bad. 
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tournament for multiple years, 
but it's across multiple 

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presidents. 
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multiple coaches, multiple 
scandals, multiple penalties, 

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different players, recruits not 
recruits and it is just it's a 

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it's indicative of just how far 
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And I blame bob Knight for not 
wanting to have a tournament. 

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The first place like he put the 
suit on us and if in the first 

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place saying the tournaments a 
bad idea so he was right. 

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I'm not going to blame. 
Look at the, at the time, I 

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don't think anybody thought that
the tournament was a great idea 

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in the Big Ten but gosh, I don't
know it. 

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I guess it's as good of an 
explanation as any as to why the

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programs are as bad as they are 
in this, but it shouldn't extend

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to the women. 
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It's like, I could see it being 
a curse for the men. 

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But anyway, let's talk briefly 
about the game and then I guess 

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we're going to talk about the 
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we've got some, some topics to 
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Indiana play hearts out there. 
There are thoughts. 

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Indiana played about the most 
Indiana game that we saw of them

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all year. 
In that game against Rutgers. 

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They were frankly fine for large
portions of the game, you know. 

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It started off with IU on their 
normal beginning, run at one 

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point they were up 10:39. 
And and then, of course, they 

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stop scoring for 4 minutes and 
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it was whittled down to 20 12. 
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you felt like okay I think 
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They went back up by by 9 then 
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let Rutgers go on a 12-2 run to 
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halves. 
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close, the inevitable collapse 
was coming, you just wondered 

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what it was going to happen. 
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I use collapse happened at the 
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half. 
They went almost the entire rest

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of the game without scoring a 
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another basket from the field 
that whole time, two points from

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essentially the 10-minute Mark 
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And those were on free throws 
and it wasn't just missed shots.

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It was also missed free throws, 
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It felt so emblematic of what 
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over the course of the last part
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They finish up the season on a 
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They finish up this game scoring
less than They were point seven,

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nine points per possession which
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Like, just, that is as bad as 
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spots this year? 
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worst, we've seen, but it was 
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and particularly on a stage 
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rooting on, I, you it was both 
completely expected and also 

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completely disappointing. 
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of interesting that are three 
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are point. 
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So you wonder if, you know, we 
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tournament if it would have been
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game. 
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football scores. 
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like, to talk to you about, 
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It was literally laughable. 
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I've been in Dark Places with IU
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Sadly, a lot lately in the last 
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But last night was one of the 
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I'm not laughing at the Players,
but it's like, when Fitness, he 

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comes up to hit those free 
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he's gonna miss them. 
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team's going to do and then he 
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I feel bad for the kid but 
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this is like, it's exactly the 
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like, all right, this is a team 
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Like, if this was a movie and 
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the hero of the movie. 
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My wife, and I watched a little 
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afterwards and, you know, it's 
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two and six against truckers 
like this is a gift rooker's and

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she's like what's up to be a 
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used this, like Bellwether of 
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you can't do it. 
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season on a nine minute run of 
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That is, I mean, that is, I you 
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score. 
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head-scratching plays, I mean, 
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talked about it, you know, when 
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three games in the first game, 
you know, Lander play. 11 

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minutes, Lander played 13 
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No, show this game. 
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the answer, but it's like 
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Played 16 minutes in the first 
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All Rucker's games, you know, 
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second game, no minutes now, 
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for progression of these guys 
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there. 
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throughout the year and then in 
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minutes. 
So why can I even expect? 

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They're going to be key players 
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that there's not other Our guys 
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minutes. 
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you played one, two, three, 
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guys. 
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you went nine minutes without a 
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Like you're telling me you can't
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guys aren't working, like there 
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that is the part that I think is
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when you play, you know, eight 
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You must be like, alright, well 
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game and that you found the 
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That was humming It's like oh no
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nine minutes about appealable. 
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It's I think it was one of the 
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don't know if we're supposed to 
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But there was a weird lack of 
urgency not just from the 

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players but also from the 
coaching staff, when presented 

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with the lizard like the actual 
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I mean, that was that was it? 
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Like you're not getting, you're 
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lose this game. 
You're not. 

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Getting in nit bid, if you lose 
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completely over because if you 
lose your 12 and 15 and yet I 

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didn't see anything new. 
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effort at the beginning and 
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into the second half where I'm 
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to win this. 
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that they've they've captured 
whatever minute, like minimal 

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amount of momentum and effort 
that you re probably Brown the 

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football. 
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I mean, it wasn't that I wasn't 
I wasn't disappointed or When we

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lost but I did think the way 
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really was struggling with their
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Like it wasn't like Rutgers was 
Stellar Rutgers was having 

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trouble with, you know, there 
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the lane that they hadn't gotten
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I hadn't gotten in the last 
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And yet, when you came down to 
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the game turned, it just kind of
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the coaching staff again. 
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You mentioned that you're not 
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though you're not hitting from 
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breakdowns they were the same 
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I mean that, that, that one kid 
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hitting two, threes from the 
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like after the first one, it 
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make sure that that guy gets 
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collapsing down the whole time. 
It just it smacked of what I 

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think we've Talked about on this
podcast a few times, which was a

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coaching staff, that just seemed
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get this team to do what they 
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But also a group of players who 
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plan, put in front of them, and 
also didn't necessarily have the

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will to execute it in the way 
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And that's not I'm not excusing.
The coaching staff with that. 

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But I will say that across the 
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It felt like everybody just kind
of didn't want it as badly as 

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Rutgers wanted it down the 
stretch and that's a really 

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tough thing to think about. 
If you're an IU fan, it's not a 

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surprise. 
I mean, no no. 

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But you know, thinking about it 
all the way down the stretch, 

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not just in that game. 
But in all of these other games,

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all these must-win games. 
Starting with that first 

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Michigan State game at home. 
It's easy to forget now. 

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But coming off, that Minnesota 
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Of February, you know, less than
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I you was 12 and 9, they were 
500 in conference and 

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legitimately probably all they 
needed to do from that point. 

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Forward was win, two games and 
they won none. 

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They 10 games at all. 
In that whole stretch and all 

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the teams they played, Michigan 
state twice, Rutgers, Michigan, 

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Purdue Rutgers again in the 
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They all when it mattered seemed
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this IU team has. 
And, and that is about as 

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fitting of an Epitaph as you can
put on this season as any that I

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can think of right now. 
Yeah, I mean, there is a, there 

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was a weird moment in the middle
of the second half, where 

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Indiana went on a run and it was
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years somewhere, right in that 
range and like we had hit a 

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couple shots and then we hit two
shots in a row and it almost 

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look like the team was like, all
right, well, we did it like we 

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scored in three straight 
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Like we're ahead like That's it.
And then it's like they just let

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go of all interest. 
It's like, alright, we did what 

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we had to do. 
Like, is that the game's over, 

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like Rutgers must be giving up 
now? 

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And it's like, no other teams 
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It also got me thinking your 
deeper into some of these stats 

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sites than I am. 
I would love to know the last 

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game that we hit three 
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three threes in a row. 
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like that happens against us all
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teams, go like back-to-back me. 
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threes, but I would say three in
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point shots 
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When's the last time that 
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Bonkers to say that, but I would
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happened this season. 
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his files, but it's a good 
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Like they're just the it, Laura,
it fits into this larger 

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narrative with this IU team 
right now, which is they do 

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something good and then That 
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because it's almost never 
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thing that you need to do to, 
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on on a consistent basis 
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And you do see other teams going
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per se but it is part of it. 
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conceptualization of we made 
this great offensive play. 

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Well, that's good enough. 
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build. 
Off it and and this to some 

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degree, I think mentally leads 
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you faces. 
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about this last night, I don't 
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another team that struggled so 
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going their way, they're 
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up off the mat for many minutes 
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with the way that Team is pieced
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perspective. 
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from a motivational perspective,
they just don't look like. 

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themselves, it takes a long time
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program. 
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helps to explain both the 
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Has that led them to be one of 
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conference again this year, 
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relies on a lot of 
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of positioning but also a lot of
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and what your teammates are 
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As we know shooting much like 
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you're going to hit the shot 
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when you put it up you're going 
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amazing to watch guys, Rob 
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hit. 
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they're in the flow of things 
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They'll miss a shot and 
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of shooting again, it's a really
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we saw it a little bit in 2014 
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didn't make the tournament that 
scene was really bad offensively

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and to send to some degree. 
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sets, but there also were some 
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team just didn't look like they 
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doing. 
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some of the Davis years with 
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where they didn't look like, 
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supposed to do and they didn't 
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be able to do what needed to be 
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that that's been if you want to 
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consistent across the four years
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here. 
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of a lack of belief that his 
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becomes the macro because you 
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years under arches Every single 
year kind of has these stretches

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in the season where the team 
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they just been able to win. 
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real quick. 
Look at 2018, they finished 16 

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in 1599 and Conference, that a 
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January to February. 
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three-game losing streak. 
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of those seven games, maybe 
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know, 2019 obviously had the 
very famous. 

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What like, you know, they lost 
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You'll see. 
Evan games, they beat, Michigan 

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State, and they lost five more. 
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just one, two or three, there 
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You know, last year, they had a 
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a row, then they lost three of 
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in these wounds than this year. 
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losing five in a row, like the 
micro, is the macro, with this 

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team where it also goes through 
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losing four, five, six games in 
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And it's like if they would just
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things up in the game where you 
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where you're breaking down. 
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have a five-game stretch where 
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honestly that's the margin of 
error isn't. 

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That's the really frustrating 
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off a cliff. 
Feels like we have, but the 

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margin of error isn't that bad? 
Where it's like, you could 

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replace two or three games every
season and we have four straight

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tournaments in us possibly. 
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It's, there's so many things 
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right now with the program that 
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Okay, if we took the Losing 
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made it. 
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yes, but the losing streaks. 
Are the systemic problem. 

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Like the things that yeah, they 
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cause as much as they are the 
effect. 

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And that is the bigger issue, 
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quote, from the postgame press 
conference yesterday that Archie

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had about, oh, you know, will be
fine. 

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Like, IU, basketball is fine. 
I'll come back to something that

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we've talked about quite a bit 
this year, Scott, based on what,

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like based on what evidence are 
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be I'm I I just when I think 
about what's happened over the 

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last four years, and I think 
about the mentality shift that 

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was supposed to take place with 
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supposed to become this 
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Aggressive defense, first 
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That was supposed to bring 
Indiana to a higher plane than 

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what they were achieving under 
crean. 

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Which was a team that was 
capable of great successes 

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winning, Big Ten titles, and Two
sweet. 16s. 

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What was also capable of 
flatlining? 

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Immediately afterwards in this, 
it was the roller coaster. 

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That was the problem. 
You know, cream. 

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I think could probably have made
a case that oh, we'll be fine. 

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This is a hiccup. 
It was, it was like, okay, maybe

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you're right, maybe you'll you 
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title in the next year. 
But this isn't good enough. 

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I don't know what evidence you 
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team last year's team. 
The team that year before this 

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three-year sample that were you 
would say yeah, we're going to 

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be fine like everything. 
He's going to be okay is if it's

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just hope we'll hope is not a 
plan. 

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If so if you're looking at 
something tangible to say, IU 

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basketball, still in good 
trajectory and this was a hiccup

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and yes we had injury issues and
stuff even with even without the

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injury issues, it just seemed 
like a year where everything was

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not anywhere close to adequate. 
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necessarily even the like even 
if you have everybody healthy 

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throughout the course of the 
year, Are, are you finishing 

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with a winning record? 
Are you finishing? 

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You know, in the top six of the 
conference, I don't I don't 

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really see it because it felt to
some degree on some nights. 

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Like it didn't even matter, who 
was on the floor, the outcome 

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was going to be the same 
regardless. 

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You were going to have a game 
that you had a Long offensive 

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drought in. 
And you were going to there was 

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going to be a game where you 
just blew out an opponent or 

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anything like that. 
The scenarios of the games we're

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going to be somewhat similar to 
what we saw, regardless of who 

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was on the floor. 
So that comments. 

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Go out to me because I get as a 
coach. 

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You have to say that I just 
don't know what you're basing 

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that off of other than trying to
calm people's fears. 

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That the things are going off 
the rails. 

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When indeed it looks like things
are going off the rails or have 

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gone off the rails. 
Yeah I mean I'll go on the 

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record now you know, because 
what will happen is we will talk

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about the offseason here in a 
second. 

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But you know let's just say 
nothing changes in Archie comes 

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back. 
Like there's going to be people 

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who try and find the positives 
which I always appreciate and 

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looking at next year. 
It's a All right. 

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Well, you know, this could 
happen if that could happen but 

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if you look at it You know, you 
look at some of the players like

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all right you know this is as 
good as Trace faction. 

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Davis is going to get I mean for
him to get better he's got to 

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have outside defense and outside
shooting and obviously this 

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coaching staff. 
That's not a priority because 

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he's taken as of now, zero three
point shots this entire season. 

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So unless something drastically 
changes, this is, this is as 

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good as Trace Jackson, Davis 
will get maybe a slight bit 

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better. 
You know, people point to race 

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Thompson and Armand, Franklin's 
I got race Thompson, got better 

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but his last you know, five 
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He scored two points, 11 84 and 
Or it's like I'm not picking on 

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Race but it's like our he got 
better, but he's still 

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inconsistent, you know, in our 
bond Franklin played a lot 

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better. 
And I know there's some injury 

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issues the end but even if you 
look at a stretch, you know, in 

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the middle of the Season against
Iowa, he scored 11 points 1411 

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great, but then went for against
the Iowa win. 

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But then 23. 
But then three, I mean he had 

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kind of his up and downs to, you
know, we we know I'm not going 

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to pick on fennessy or Alderman 
then it's like people are going 

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to be like, all right well, you 
know, Landers five-star, he's 

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coming back like he reclassifies
Right age now it's like dude 

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he's since Iowa on February 
10th. 

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Here's his game score points 0 
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Like that's not a guy who's on 
trajectory to suddenly take over

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and be like to somebody say 
olander's going to be a starting

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point guard in the Big Ten and 
be like an all Big Ten player. 

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It's like based on what like 
that's like saying I'm ready to 

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play the Big Ten like there's no
evidence. 

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I'm not picking on Christian 
Lander but it's like I, I don't 

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see where you get the optimism 
outside of just having five 

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months to not think about it and
come back. 

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And be like, oh, yeah, like guys
can get better. 

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And this is the fallacy as you 
can. 

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This team could be good if 
everybody has the Oladipo leap 

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but like, that doesn't happen. 
Like not every single player has

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an off season where they 
absolutely kill it. 

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Some guys are going to get 
better. 

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Some guys are going to get 
worse. 

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Some guys are going to Flat 
Line. 

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Some guys are probably going to 
transfer, you know, but I'm with

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you. 
Don't know what you base this 

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off. 
Of course Archie come out and 

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say that but yeah, it's I don't 
know. 

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I mean you could you could 
certainly point to arm on 

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Franklin's development from last
year to this year and last year 

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he wasn't very good and he 
didn't play that much 

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comparatively speaking and he 
certainly played better this 

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year but he still wasn't like if
you look at his overall stats 

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Armand Franklin he suffered from
injury so I'm not I'm certainly 

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not trying to be critical. 
This is more. 

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Just if you're if you're talking
about development and where you 

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think it will go, his offensive 
rating last year, 89.1. 

443
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,400
That's not very good. 
His offensive rating this year 

444
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,500
was ninety 7.4, which is better,
but he's still under one point 

445
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:53,400
per possession used. 
He still turned the ball over 

446
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,800
on. 20% of the possessions that 
he used his, three-point 

447
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,300
shooting was very good. 
His two-point shooting was 

448
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:03,900
worse, like he was a 46% shooter
last year from to he's a 43% 

449
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,900
shooter this year from to. 
So yes, you did see some 

450
00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:10,600
increases but it wasn't the 
Oladipo leap. 

451
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,200
As you mentioned. 
It wasn't, you know, some of the

452
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,100
leaves that we've seen players, 
take in terms of getting really 

453
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:21,100
good from year one to year two. 
Some of that was injury and I 

454
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,600
think if you'd seen an uninjured
arm on Franklin you probably 

455
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,800
would have seen better. 
But would you have seen like 

456
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,000
tremendously better in this 
offensive system? 

457
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,900
Probably not based upon what 
everybody else did in this 

458
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:37,100
offensive system. 
So That's where I am with you, 

459
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:39,600
where it's just like, I don't 
know what you're basing, the 

460
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,000
hope of things on. 
I mean, only three guys on this 

461
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000
team, finished with an offensive
rating above 100, that's really 

462
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,400
bad. 
And none of them were above 

463
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,200
1108. 
I think race. 

464
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200
Thompson was the highest on the 
roster the guys that you would 

465
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600
need to be scoring more Jerome 
Hunter, Armand, Franklin. 

466
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,400
As we mentioned, you know, Trey 
Galloway Anthony wheel. 

467
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,200
All those folks were under a 
point per possession used and 

468
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,200
that's just that's not going to 
get the the job done. 

469
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:09,100
And I don't see anything in 
where this system is currently 

470
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:14,200
being, you know, coached where 
that it's going to essentially 

471
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,600
increase, the ability of people 
to score and then that's leaving

472
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,100
the defensive aspects out of it 
entirely where. 

473
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,700
Yeah, anyway, so we got a butt 
and what's, what's interesting? 

474
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:25,200
Like I keep on coming back to 
us. 

475
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,300
I thought about it a lot last 
year but I think about it more. 

476
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,800
Now is something you and I 
talked about a little bit last 

477
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,300
night. 
Like there's still a trace 

478
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:35,500
checks and Davis. 
It's This was a great season 

479
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:38,100
that kind of gets pissed away. 
There's a lot of Talent on this 

480
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,200
team and you do it's not the 
best quality but it's just been 

481
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,800
going through my head. 
Like, you look at Dayton after 

482
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,300
Archie left and the second year 
after their 12:21 and 12 13 and 

483
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:53,100
5 in the A-10 last year, their 
29 and to have the second-best 

484
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:57,000
adjusted offense in the country.
It's like those were our cheese 

485
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,600
guys that got out of Archie's 
offensive system and suddenly 

486
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:04,300
went 18 and 0 in the in the A-10
like that. 

487
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,000
There's a there's a part here 
where you're like, I don't like 

488
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,900
it's not comforting to know that
Dayton kind of went off 

489
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
offensively the minute Archie 
left. 

490
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Well, it's something to think 
about certainly and it's, it's 

491
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,900
an interesting. 
Anecdote. 

492
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:22,000
Anyway, so let's talk done 
talking about the game. 

493
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,300
Let's talk about the bigger 
picture issues which is where 

494
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:28,500
most of the questions and 
comments that we had came in 

495
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:31,400
from. 
There's a bunch of different 

496
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,800
places that we could start with 
this certainly But let's let's 

497
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,900
tackle the big issues, I guess, 
right off the bat. 

498
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,800
So, you know, the first thing 
I'm going to read a few of these

499
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,500
tweets and, and then we'll kind 
of dive into whatever we want to

500
00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:53,700
dive into Jack, Schneider 
tweeted at us. 

501
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:56,300
I have no questions or thoughts 
for the podcast, but you all 

502
00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:58,500
have my thoughts and prayers. 
Because having to talk about the

503
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:01,200
program, these days is not fun. 
Thank you, Jack. 

504
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,300
We appreciate it. 
Okay, Steven Carter. 

505
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,000
Her comment there's no to the 
guys at assembly call the fact 

506
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,200
they do a post game after every 
game like those guys are heroes.

507
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,900
The fact that Jared and that 
crew Ryan like you know Andy 

508
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,100
they're on their coach they're 
on their every single game 

509
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,500
talking about it for an hour and
a half. 

510
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,600
Like that's way more than we 
could do. 

511
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,200
Well done guys. 
Comment from Steven Carter there

512
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,200
is no hero or savior. 
Coming. 

513
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Only hard work and commitment 
will get us where we want to go.

514
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,400
If you hire a coach, to a 
seven-year contract, you should 

515
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,100
stick to it. 
Let's see, let's with some other

516
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,700
comments here. 
Ross Baker, seventy seven 

517
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,000
hundred. 
Twenty nine thousand living 

518
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,500
alumni. 10 million dollar 
buyout. 

519
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,300
Do they take venmo yet or do I 
need to write a thirteen dollars

520
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:50,800
and seventy one cent check. 
Let's see. 

521
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,400
JD Gabby. 
Has this team done anything from

522
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,900
a basketball fundamental 
standpoint? 

523
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,700
Well, in the last four years 
they don't pass well they don't 

524
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:59,400
dribble. 
Well they don't shoot well why 

525
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,000
don't we have a director of 
Player Development on the staff 

526
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,800
so I'm not going. 
To specifically talk about that 

527
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,600
second one, I will say this. 
If you're looking for the 

528
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,900
positives from the past four 
years, in terms of what are the 

529
00:27:16,908 --> 00:27:18,500
fundamental things I you as 
done? 

530
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:23,800
Well, you know, I mean, they're,
they're pretty good at blocking 

531
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,200
shots. 
There are always in the top 100 

532
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,100
and and until this year, they 
were in the top 50 every year in

533
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:35,200
terms of block percentage on 
defense rating, Getting to the 

534
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,800
free-throw line. 
They are, they are there. 

535
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,500
They were an elite team this 
year at free-throw rate, they 

536
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,500
were pretty good this year at 
not turning the ball over all 

537
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:46,100
things considered they were top 
hundred in that, you can look at

538
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:49,000
the the offensive and defensive 
efficiency numbers and say, oh 

539
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,800
well, they were, you know, 
pretty good there. 

540
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,000
They were 60 first in offense, 
and 40th and defense. 

541
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,500
The problem is within the 
conference, they were bad in 

542
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,700
both of those things relative to
the rest of their competition. 

543
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,200
And, you know, we've talked a 
lot about the numbers and how 

544
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,100
like, oh, offense was, Better 
than we expected and defense was

545
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,400
worse, offense, actually ended 
up being fairly bad, they 

546
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,800
finished with an offensive 
efficiency and Conference of 

547
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,000
100.8, which sadly was lower 
than Penn State's offensive 

548
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,700
efficiency. 
This here in conference and then

549
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:21,600
defensively, they were 12 in the
conference and really just kind 

550
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,800
of incrementally ahead of the 
bottom two which were 

551
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,500
Northwestern in Minnesota. 
So really I mean if we're 

552
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,100
talking about what is this team 
done? 

553
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,100
Well, fundamentally over the 
course of the four years of the 

554
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:36,900
archery Miller era. 
Certainly not shooting they and 

555
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:40,000
and it's interesting because you
know, three-point shooting has 

556
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,900
been bad. 
This was actually a pretty good 

557
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:46,600
to point shooting team in 
Archie's first two years and now

558
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,400
with all of the numbers and 
they've gone from 52 and a half 

559
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,300
percent to 53 percent to forty 
nine and a half percent, to 

560
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:56,000
forty eight and a half percent, 
which means and this year, forty

561
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,600
eight and a half percent from 
two was 229th in the country. 

562
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,500
So even one of the few bright 
spots for IU from a fundamental 

563
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,800
perspective. 
Ended up not being a bright spot

564
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,100
at all as far as the. 
What does that all mean? 

565
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Again, it kind of comes back to 
what we've talked about, where 

566
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,800
it's like, if you're going to 
say oh things will be fine. 

567
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,400
Look at the statistical Trends 
over four years and tell me what

568
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,400
you see there, that makes you 
think things are going to be 

569
00:29:23,408 --> 00:29:26,900
fine, even the gradual overall 
increase in offensive, and 

570
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,400
defensive efficiencies stopped 
the. 

571
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,300
I mean offense essentially 
flatlined relative to the rest 

572
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,400
of the country and defense got 
worse. 

573
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,300
Tempo got slower assist rate 
went down. 

574
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,200
I mean, just the overall assist 
numbers went up but the like the

575
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,400
way that the assists were being 
divvied out. 

576
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Just yeah, not good. 
Yeah, I was thinking about it 

577
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,300
today. 
I went out for a quick run. 

578
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,500
I have a neighbor who takes 
their kids to karate with with 

579
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,600
my son James, and the last 
couple weeks is when she's in 

580
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,500
saying, we're going to go for 
the yellow belt, if we're in it 

581
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:04,400
to the yellow, but we're going 
to do. 

582
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,500
Karate and she's been like 
saying, you know, we're on track

583
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,900
to do the yellow belt and just 
yesterday, she's like, oh yeah, 

584
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,900
we're on track to quit karate. 
We're just we're tracking, the 

585
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:13,700
kids are not into it, we're on 
track like we're going to get it

586
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,600
but we run as far as a funny way
to say it but it's like our 

587
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,300
cheese on track to get fired. 
Like that's what he's on track 

588
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:22,300
for right now. 
There's nothing here. 

589
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,600
Like I'll just kick it off. 
There's nothing here that says 

590
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,300
this is on the correct 
trajectory, there's nothing 

591
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:30,100
going. 
That should be there, this is 

592
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:33,700
something. 
I mean, there's a lot of reasons

593
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,000
we can talk about why? 
You need to keep Archie Miller. 

594
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600
I think the buyout is just 
saying ten million dollars. 

595
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400
I think is lazy reporting is a 
lot of things that factor into 

596
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,900
that. 
I don't think it's that hard to 

597
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:44,900
get that much money and he'll 
get another job and he'll get 

598
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:49,300
paid somewhere else. 
All that said, I just I'm with 

599
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:50,900
you. 
We can sit here and talk about 

600
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,100
this. 
Like in the end it's points. 

601
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,900
It's wins and losses and they 
just haven't been there. 

602
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,400
We can start dissecting the data
and there's little areas that 

603
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,200
are better. 
A little areas that are worse, 

604
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,600
but it's not a team that wins. 
It's not a team. 

605
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,300
That's just I test fun to watch.
Ouch interest for me is going 

606
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:07,400
down. 
I think for a lot of people it's

607
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,100
going down. 
It's time to move on. 

608
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,200
Like I just don't see why you'd 
come back into this. 

609
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200
This. 
So I want to hit this stat. 

610
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,000
It's something that I talk to 
you about off the Pod the other 

611
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,900
day, but I think it's, I think 
it's really interesting. 

612
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,100
You look at Archie the last four
years in the Big Ten is thirty 

613
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,000
three and forty. 
Four, forty three percent 

614
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,700
winning percentage. 
I tried to find three other 

615
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,900
coaches who are also fired in 
the Big Ten. 

616
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,700
And I'm just looking at Big Ten 
only record. 

617
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:32,800
So I know it's a very specific 
stat. 

618
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,500
There's some other underlying 
issues In other things at play 

619
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,400
there, but John Groce at 
Illinois was 29 and 43 for 40%. 

620
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,300
That was bad enough at Illinois 
to be fired. 

621
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:47,100
Tubby Smith was 29 and 43 in the
Big Ten is last four years. 40% 

622
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:51,100
he was fired, Tim miles was 31 
and 43. 42 percent, pretty much 

623
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,600
name is Archie but he also to 13
and five year in there. 

624
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,400
He was fired. 
And my point to you is like this

625
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,900
wasn't good enough. 
That basically these numbers are

626
00:31:59,908 --> 00:32:02,900
pretty much the same again, big 
tent, only four years. 

627
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:04,800
Understand some of those guys 
were there long grrrr. 

628
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,200
This wasn't good enough in 
Illinois. 

629
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Wasn't good. 
At Minnesota, wasn't good enough

630
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,100
in Nebraska. 
My question to Scott Dawson, if 

631
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,200
he came on this podcast, like 
why the hell is a good enough 

632
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,300
here? 
But just what like any other 

633
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:16,500
reason? 
Like you can give me all the 

634
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,000
other stats and this is trending
this way and that way it's like,

635
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,600
all right, there's three other 
teams in recent history who had 

636
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,600
very similar records in the Big 
Ten, who I view as lower-level 

637
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,300
Big Ten teams in Indiana and we 
all do because we talked about 

638
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,000
banners and all that stupid 
nonsense which seems like stupid

639
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,400
nonsense now and we About being 
an elite team. 

640
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,800
It's like all right, why are we 
in the same category? 

641
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,800
And the same phylum is Illinois,
Minnesota, and Nebraska. 

642
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,900
Yeah, your we talked about this 
before and it got me thinking 

643
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:49,600
and the only real rationale that
I could give as to why it would 

644
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,900
be not actionable. 
Immediately would be that gross 

645
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,400
was there. 
Five years? 

646
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,300
Not for small, obviously very 
small distinction, you know, 

647
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,200
miles had been there for what I 
think. 

648
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,100
Seven years when when he finally
got let go and hadn't been to 

649
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,600
the tournament in five gross 
went to the tournament his first

650
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,300
year, but didn't go the rest of 
the time. 

651
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,500
And then, you know, would you 
say, tubby Smith was the other 

652
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,600
one that you looked at me Smith?
Yeah. 

653
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,100
And I mean, tubby had been at 
Minnesota for six years. 

654
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,500
So, even the time period, like, 
if you wanted to say, well, 

655
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:28,100
look, all those coaches got at 
least one more year, maybe in 

656
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,100
some cases, two or three, but 
then it goes back to something 

657
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,100
that you have made a point of 
many times. 

658
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,700
Which is this idea of well. 
Okay. 

659
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:38,700
But that's what 10. 
And Minnesota and Nebraska all 

660
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,900
teams that. 
If you're an IU fan, you don't 

661
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:42,700
consider yourself in that 
phylum. 

662
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,400
Like, you, you're certainly 
thinking. 

663
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,300
We're, we're more evolved than 
that, from a basketball 

664
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,600
perspective. 
And so I do, I do think it's a 

665
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,900
legitimate question, because 
even if you factor in the 

666
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,700
tournament appearance that 
wasn't last year, they mean, 

667
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,400
that was something that required
beating Nebraska in the Big Ten 

668
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Tournament to even secure the 
bid. 

669
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,400
And It wasn't like it was a 
great season, it wasn't like 

670
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,600
you're a single-digit seed or 
vying for a protected seed, 

671
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,699
you're talking about an IU team.
That would have been in the 

672
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,100
play-in game or would have been,
you know, maybe a 10 or 11 seed 

673
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:20,600
or a 12C, that's not good. 
And, and certainly again, you 

674
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,600
know, so much of this comes back
to the mythology that I, you 

675
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:28,000
spins around its basketball 
program, where you say we are, 

676
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,800
we think we're Blue Blood, we 
think we're in Elite program. 

677
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,300
I you had one good season. 
And you know, they're pretty 

678
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,300
T-shirts that say we're back, 
you know, back in the early 

679
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:43,199
2010's like, you know, Mike 
Davis got fired because missing 

680
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,199
the tournament, two years in a 
row, was considered to be 

681
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,800
inadequate. 
But Davis on your Davis is Big, 

682
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,800
Ten record is last four years. 
Was better than this. 

683
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,500
It is. 
Yes. 

684
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,300
And so there is our own 
expectations have gone down 

685
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:57,300
based on that. 
Yeah. 

686
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,200
So I think all of those things 
are worth thinking about when 

687
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,200
you try to think about the 
overall setup, With with this 

688
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,500
program. 
So we have some questions 

689
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,400
specifically about this. 
We might as well just dive in, 

690
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,200
it's the it's the big elephant 
in the room. 

691
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,200
So William Fulmer asks, what 
happens? 

692
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,700
If for some reason I you doesn't
move on. 

693
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Like we all think that they 
will. 

694
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,200
I don't know that everybody 
thinks that they will. 

695
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
First of all, William, I think 
there's a lot of people who 

696
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,200
don't think that I use going to 
make a change. 

697
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Will see, I wasn't expecting 
anything to happen today. 

698
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,500
If anything was going to happen,
but I do think. 

699
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,800
That if I you isn't going to 
make a change, if they're going 

700
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,100
to bring Archie Miller back for 
another year and we've talked 

701
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,400
about the rationale either 
direction Ad nauseam on this. 

702
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,300
So, you know, there's, there's 
certainly reasons why financial 

703
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:51,100
reasons the feeling like you 
need to give a person more time 

704
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:52,900
on the contract that you 
initially gave them. 

705
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,600
If you're going to do that, I 
think the press conference needs

706
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,500
to happen today. 
I think the press conference 

707
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:03,100
needs to happen Friday, the 12th
of March the season. 

708
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:09,900
Did yesterday, it is going to be
a nightmarish next week or days 

709
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,200
or however long until there's 
some kind of resolution within 

710
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,800
the IU fan base. 
It is not a good place, it's a 

711
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000
toxic place right now. 
You go to the message boards. 

712
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Don't represent everything but 
they represent a lot of pretty 

713
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,000
invested IU fans who are very 
angry Twitter. 

714
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,900
Again, not necessarily 
representative but it's very 

715
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,400
visible. 
If your answer the game Last 

716
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,100
night who are visiting the fans 
of the game who like a lot of 

717
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:38,900
people on Twitter were, you know
we're very upset with all you 

718
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:42,700
fans, booing IU players, booing 
Archie. 

719
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,500
And and look that's it's not a 
good look but it's also I'm not 

720
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,100
shocked that it happened, you 
know. 

721
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:55,200
It doesn't surprise me that you 
know, an IU fan base that was 

722
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,700
desperately trying to find 
something to root for with this 

723
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:59,500
team. 
Just got presented with the same

724
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,400
thing that they've been 
presented with, you know, for 

725
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,800
the last four years. 
Essentially. 

726
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,300
And that Reacted negatively not 
excusing them but I'm not 

727
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,400
surprised that it happened. 
You need to if your eye you and 

728
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,700
you have the strength of your 
convictions and saying look, we 

729
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,400
know that this isn't popular but
Archie Miller is going to be 

730
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,600
back for another season. 
We feel like he deserves it, we 

731
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,600
feel like it's best for the 
program, do it now. 

732
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:20,900
It's not going to be any better 
if you do it next week. 

733
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:23,100
Yeah. 
And so that's my that's mix. 

734
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,000
It's a great Point. 
Makes a lot of sense you know. 

735
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,300
And so and lay the reasons out 
and be like look we don't think 

736
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:30,400
what's happened. 
Here is good enough and and and 

737
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,700
lay out specifically, here's the
roadmap. 

738
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,000
And if We don't meet, you know, 
the roadmap, then there's will, 

739
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,500
then we'll have to reconsider 
what's going on with the future 

740
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,000
of the program. 
And if that puts Archie Miller 

741
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Under Pressure, I mean, I guess 
what he should be under pressure

742
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,100
anyway, given the way that 
things have gone with this 

743
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,200
program. 
Similarly, if you are going to 

744
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,000
move on I think you need to 
figure that out really fast and 

745
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,600
make an announcement on that as 
well. 

746
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:02,100
And again, it's because people 
need to have some kind of an 

747
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,700
idea of how to fix Yo about 
things and if you are going to 

748
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,700
move in a different direction 
you better put yourself out in 

749
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,000
front of other programs that are
going to be making changes 

750
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800
because you need to get the best
possible candidate list that you

751
00:38:15,808 --> 00:38:18,500
can choose from to figure out 
what your next step is. 

752
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:23,200
And if you're not, you need to 
let the storm subside so that 

753
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,200
people can get the the vitriol 
out of their system, get the 

754
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,700
disappointment out of their 
system and just get on with the 

755
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,300
offseason because the longer it 
lingers the worse. 

756
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,500
It's going to be No, I think 
that's I've not heard that 

757
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,200
around a lot. 
That's a very interesting point.

758
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,000
I completely agree with it 
because that's kind of what 

759
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,700
happened near. 
The end of the crean era is that

760
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:45,100
you and I were on the side but 
we wanted to move on from crean 

761
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,700
but that last offseason it's 
like it was just there was no 

762
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:52,700
information and so it's the 
toxic sludge kind of got to 

763
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:57,200
fester and grow and, you know, 
golson's job is not to take care

764
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,900
of the IU fanbase and, you know,
people being unhappy, but on the

765
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,500
flip side, he is like you've got
to keep people invested 

766
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,900
interested. 
And I agree that just not 

767
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,500
knowing anything for the next 
five or six weeks or like, if 

768
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:10,500
they just don't say anything for
the next month, like it's just 

769
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:12,300
it's going to get worse because 
you're going to have people 

770
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,300
saying he should stay or people 
saying he should go a lot of 

771
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:16,700
infighting. 
Like and that's the last thing 

772
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,700
this fan base needs is, we 
that's all we've been doing is 

773
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,000
like either, you're a knight 
guy, you're a Davis guy and then

774
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,900
it's like, you're Pro Davis or 
your anti night and then it's 

775
00:39:24,908 --> 00:39:26,300
like, all right, we're Samson's 
like, oh shit. 

776
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:28,100
Now we're not Samson. 
Now, we're creaming now we're 

777
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,300
good. 
But now I hate Korean that way 

778
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,200
or for cream. 
Like, we still want night, guys,

779
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,300
like we've been. 
Heard a thousand different ways.

780
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,500
We need to come together and I 
agree with you. 

781
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,300
If Dolson came out today and 
just said, hey we're keeping our

782
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,300
chief or these five reasons I 
wouldn't agree with it. 

783
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:47,300
But hearing you say that now I'd
be like, okay, like I'm we don't

784
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,600
need to do five more podcast 
this offseason about. 

785
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,100
Should he stay who's the best 
option? 

786
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,400
Like why he needs to be fired? 
You know, you don't need 

787
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,100
assembly, call doing 50 of the 
same things. 

788
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:56,200
You don't eat inside the hall, 
right? 

789
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,300
Like you're going to get 
everybody. 

790
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,200
Just stop talking about it and 
you're not going to go with the 

791
00:40:00,207 --> 00:40:02,500
next year with fans being like 
I've got a boo or, you know, 

792
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,100
start Free me and Archie Miller 
dirt because I know he's got 

793
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,600
next year. 
So I think it's a very fair 

794
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,500
point. 
I think it's something that up 

795
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:11,700
to this point. 
The IU Administration is not 

796
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,900
normally done normally. 
They just kind of stay quiet and

797
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:17,100
just make their own decision and
don't say anything. 

798
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,900
I agree with you, I think they 
need to make a call one way or 

799
00:40:19,908 --> 00:40:22,000
the other. 
I think, I think, at this point,

800
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
you do need to come out and say,
look, we're keeping, we're going

801
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
to keep him or like you said, 
just we're moving on and then 

802
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,900
let's find the list. 
The the comments we've gotten 

803
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:32,700
from people on Twitter, kind of 
track down two different roads 

804
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:36,300
one Is tracking down the road 
of, if Archie's not leaving. 

805
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:37,600
What is the next year, look 
like. 

806
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,600
And what needs to change the 
other one is essentially, if 

807
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Archie's gone, what's the next 
step? 

808
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,100
So, I want to take both of those
tracks. 

809
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,300
So let's start with the second 
one. 

810
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:51,100
First, we had a question from. 
Let me find it here from will 

811
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,800
Sheehy burner, nice. 
Nice day. 

812
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Good. 
Good, we appreciate good. 

813
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,700
Twitter handles here. 
Do you think Miller should still

814
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:00,700
be fired even if there isn't a 
top candidate interested / 

815
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:03,700
available. 
So my philosophy Sophie on, this

816
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:07,000
is always been as follows the 
question of whether or not 

817
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,500
someone is working for. 
You is different than the 

818
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:12,100
question of who should replace 
the person that's working for 

819
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,900
you. 
If the person that's working for

820
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,800
you is not good at what they're 
doing. 

821
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,300
If what they're doing is not 
working, you cannot let the 

822
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:25,200
unknown of who would replace 
them affect your decision to 

823
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,600
retain or not retain that 
person. 

824
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,500
And I think a lot of times when 
we talk about coaching 

825
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,700
situations, not just that, I 
you, but Elsewhere. 

826
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:36,400
A lot of the question marks 
always pop up around. 

827
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Well, who would you, who would 
get the job? 

828
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,900
Like what you know, where's the 
candidate that would be 

829
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,400
obviously better than this 
person and it doesn't work that 

830
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,900
way. 
We talked about this one when 

831
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,800
crean got fired because a lot of
people said well you're not 

832
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,300
going to get somebody better 
than crean and certainly Archie 

833
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,200
Miller hasn't been better than 
crane but his credentials were 

834
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,300
fine coming in. 
You know these credentials 

835
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,800
certainly fit all the they 
checked all the boxes of who you

836
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,800
would want to replace. 
Tom crean with it is didn't 

837
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,200
work. 
So to me it's like if you're 

838
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Scott Dolson and the Board of 
Trustees and you're looking at 

839
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,400
this and you say to yourself 
what's going on right now is 

840
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,900
inadequate, it is not meet the 
standards of IU that has to be 

841
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,600
the only determinant that you 
make in whether or not you're 

842
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,400
going to retain a coach or not 
retain a coach not. 

843
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,500
Well this is not adequate but we
don't have a better position or 

844
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,200
their better person already 
positioned to take over so 

845
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,500
therefore we're not going to 
make a change. 

846
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,900
I think that that's where you 
get into a lot of institutional 

847
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:35,700
Trouble. 
Well I think that's also I 

848
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,200
agree. 
I think it's also where we get a

849
00:42:38,207 --> 00:42:40,700
little bit too close-minded in 
our thinking that we're only 

850
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,600
looking for coaches. 
Who've had really good 

851
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,100
tournament success and who are 
programs where they can leave. 

852
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,500
So like chefs, he's not going 
anywhere where Williams not go 

853
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,200
anywhere. 
So some of the are our list 

854
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,900
becomes very small. 
It's got, it was Chris beard and

855
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,800
that's it. 
But it's like but again, like if

856
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,200
you would have said three years 
ago to a Michigan fan, like, 

857
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,500
hey, be careful if you lose be 
line, you may not get Juwan 

858
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,300
Howard. 
They be like, who cares what 

859
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,900
Howard is a coach? 
Like the eye, the eye. 

860
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:05,600
You're 100%, right? 
Because the best next coach 

861
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,600
could be somebody that we 
haven't even thought of. 

862
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,800
And I would say that to IU 
Administration is if you're 

863
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,600
doing this search like open your
mind up, like it doesn't have 

864
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,200
we've seen time and time again. 
We're seeing now, just because 

865
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,800
you're at a mid-major and had 
one good run in the tournament, 

866
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,700
you may not be a good coach you 
maybe. 

867
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,800
But I don't know. 
I think the problem is hanging 

868
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,100
on too long but this idea of 
like we can only do it when the 

869
00:43:29,107 --> 00:43:31,100
time is right. 
For this perfect candidate. 

870
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,900
I don't think anybody really 
knows. 

871
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Knows what the perfect candidate
is. 

872
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,100
Because again, four years ago, 
Archie was a really good 

873
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,300
candidate. 
It hasn't worked out. 

874
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,200
There is another good candidate.
This offseason, I don't know if 

875
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200
we know who it is, and it could 
be somebody without coaching 

876
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,300
experience. 
Could be something that's kind 

877
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:46,800
of coaching experience. 
We don't know. 

878
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,800
I mean, that's the thing. 
I think the two decisions have 

879
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,400
to be made separately, right? 
But you could look, I'll use a 

880
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,500
name from last night's game 
like, Steve pikul. 

881
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,600
That's a guy who is still 
relatively young and has taken a

882
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,500
Rutgers program that hasn't been
to the CAA tournament since 1991

883
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:07,900
and is essentially turned them 
into a team that's in the 

884
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,000
tournament two years in a row, 
if you give them credit for, you

885
00:44:11,008 --> 00:44:13,700
know, being what was projected 
as a single-digit, see, last 

886
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:16,500
year, it's Steve pikul, you 
know, the best candidate for the

887
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:19,500
job, probably not, but he's a 
pretty good candidate, but 

888
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,100
that's not a name. 
You hear floated around that 

889
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:22,900
much and I'm not advocating for 
that. 

890
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:27,900
If there is indeed an opening, 
but the idea that there's that 

891
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:29,800
you have to have one connected 
to the other. 

892
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,400
I don't agree with that at all. 
And so that's I think, Think, 

893
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,100
how about I'll close up my 
commentary there. 

894
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Let's see. 
Matt blasket, asks, or actually 

895
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,900
says, we are now five years from
our last NCAA appearance. 

896
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:45,800
Prove me wrong. 
That we aren't Nebraska 

897
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,900
football. 
I can't I mean the only thing 

898
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:56,400
that I use missing is having a 
former player come in and fail 

899
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,100
miserably as head coach. 
That Nebraska is like one step 

900
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,400
ahead of us in football. 
From that perspective with the 

901
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,900
Scott Frost experiment, not 
working very well but there are 

902
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,000
a lot of parallels that you 
could draw between the collapse 

903
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,100
of Nebraska football from its 
Heights in the 1990s to where 

904
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:16,700
they're at now. 
I think you can make a similar 

905
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:19,500
argument about IU and Miami. 
Ball. 

906
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:22,500
I tend though, to here's the 
thing, I'll say this, I think 

907
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:29,800
that Both programs are probably 
in similar boats in that, they, 

908
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,700
they still believe that they are
relevant on a national stage. 

909
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:35,400
Whereas there, they're really 
not. 

910
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,500
I think the difference is, it's 
very hard with the wrong people 

911
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:44,100
in charge to get, you know, 
either a football or basketball 

912
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,800
program up to top level, but 
it's easier to turn it around 

913
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,600
faster and basketball than it is
in football. 

914
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,900
You really have to have some 
special sauce in football to get

915
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:55,200
yourself back up to an elite 
level. 

916
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:56,800
Level. 
We were seeing this with IU 

917
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,800
football where it's like it took
hiring Tom Allen and him being 

918
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,200
as good as he is to put I you in
a position of relevance 

919
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,800
Nebraska. 
There's a lot of, there's some 

920
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,200
cultural issues at play, in 
terms of who they feel is 

921
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,800
capable of coaching them, which 
due to some degree. 

922
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,900
I think track with IU 
basketball, but I do think I you

923
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:21,000
basketballs probably got an 
easier path back to being Elite 

924
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
as we saw with cream where it's 
like people were asking, you 

925
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,700
know, at that point. when I you 
went back to the Sweet 16 by 

926
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:30,200
that point, it had been 
essentially a decade people ask 

927
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,200
whether that was ever going to 
happen again and then and yet 

928
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,200
they were right back and they 
were number one the following 

929
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,900
year, the better analogy might 
be Notre Dame football in terms 

930
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:44,800
of the potential ceiling for IU 
basketball where you know, Notre

931
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,300
Dame football was not good there
for a while and it really 

932
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,400
struggled and it would poke 
through and then it would 

933
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,500
Retreat again it might be a 
similar sort of situation where 

934
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:57,800
if you can get the right person,
IU basketball, can come back but

935
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
certainly in terms of Fallen 
Empires and a lack of 

936
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,200
present-day Glory Nebraska's, 
you know, football program is a 

937
00:47:04,207 --> 00:47:07,000
pretty good analog for what I 
use got right now in basketball.

938
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,500
Yeah, I hate this discussion 
because it's just depressing and

939
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,800
when I hear this it's like I 
have I have my answer to and 

940
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,900
it's not anything you mentioned 
because I hear this and it's 

941
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,500
like, all right. 
Yes, Nebraska like they were you

942
00:47:21,508 --> 00:47:25,200
know twelve and one in 1999 like
they were going to Orange 

943
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
holiday Fiesta Bowl is in the 
late 90s like they were still 

944
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,100
humming at a time. 
When IU basketball was starting 

945
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:34,500
to tail off, you mentioned Notre
Dame it's like even just a 

946
00:47:34,508 --> 00:47:37,300
couple of years ago they were in
the BCS final four you know 

947
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:41,600
where as we haven't been The 
final four in years, you know, I

948
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,800
almost I was having this crush 
with a friend. 

949
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,300
We're trying to figure out what 
is the analog value basketball. 

950
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,500
I'm kind of thinking like maybe 
UCLA, but it's like, well, shit,

951
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:51,300
they want to title a 95. 
I'd take that, you know, 

952
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,200
honestly, it's not perfect, but 
it almost feels a little bit 

953
00:47:54,207 --> 00:47:58,000
like NC State in basketball, 
like NC State had a nice run in 

954
00:47:58,008 --> 00:48:01,400
the 80s and I know we have more 
titles than them, but it's kind 

955
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,800
of like them. 
Or you might have said, like, 

956
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,700
Virginia back in the day, but 
they've come back, you know? 

957
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,900
Have said Louisville, but 
they've also come back. 

958
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:13,100
Like, I'm trying to think of 
those teams that won titles in 

959
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:17,300
the 80s and kind of fell off the
map in college basketball 

960
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:19,700
because my buddy was like, well,
maybe you contact. 

961
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:22,300
No man, no, you can't set a lot 
of success recently. 

962
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:26,100
It's really tough but honest 
like I think NC State to me is 

963
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,400
kind of that team because they 
percolated here and there, well,

964
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,900
we've had more success than 
them. 

965
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,900
I don't know if this is a this 
topic sucks because it's, I know

966
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:36,300
press the differences in. 
NC State's never been any more 

967
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:38,700
than the third most demanding. 
I know. 

968
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,700
And that's why it's not perfect 
in their own State. 

969
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,800
Yeah, no I get it. 
But look, however, you want to 

970
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,900
and analogize the situation. 
It's the core issues are the 

971
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,500
same with IU basketball. 
As they are with Nebraska where 

972
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,800
you have a fan base and an 
athletic department that base 

973
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,500
their their fandom in their 
marketing off of being a blue 

974
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:05,000
blood being an elite program 
with a key historical aspect to 

975
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,500
things and that's all that 
you've got because There's 

976
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,100
nothing distinguishing your 
program from the teams, in the 

977
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:14,400
bottom, half of your conference,
to use it as a log. 

978
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,300
We should just start like I have
as much but hey we're going to 

979
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:19,700
play in the ACC like we're done 
with a Big Ten like screw this. 

980
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,900
We're going to start playing 
Duke change it all changes. 

981
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:24,700
Best for no I don't think that's
it. 

982
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,800
Anyway a few other questions 
we're going to try to keep this 

983
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:35,800
to an hour but let's let's jump 
to a different track here. 

984
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,800
So we had a bunch of questions 
about The other side of things. 

985
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:43,300
So, Ross Bennett asked assuming 
Archie is not let go with the 

986
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,200
fan base settle. 
If they brought in a new 

987
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,500
offensive assistant to lead the 
offense, there was another 

988
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:54,300
question in a similar vein, 
which it was from Hoosier sound,

989
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,500
good podcast, by the way, should
check it out. 

990
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,000
If the coaching staff stays what
needs to change to have more 

991
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,400
success next year. 
And a lot of focus has been paid

992
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,400
on, get an offensive assistant 
and get someone who can Can 

993
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,900
really help to guide what IU is 
doing. 

994
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,200
But that was being said, last 
year to let you know that was 

995
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,000
that was the big deal. 
It's like, well, you got to get 

996
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,400
somebody in who can help this 
team score better. 

997
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,300
And yet we really didn't see 
that kind of a change being 

998
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:24,500
made. 
I think that if that was to 

999
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:31,300
happen, It might partially Like,
You Know, lesson people's 

1000
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,500
concerns. 
But I think the bigger issue 

1001
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:38,200
right now isn't so much the 
offensive schematics as much as 

1002
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,500
it is, it is that the fan base 
by and large has just lost all 

1003
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:45,700
faith and confidence in Archie, 
Miller to coach this team and 

1004
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,600
because if they brought in an 
assistant to do offense and the 

1005
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,600
offense got better my take 
Nick's your bag. 

1006
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,400
All right, let's fire Archie and
hire that guy. 

1007
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:58,000
I mean and it's yeah it's kind 
of The another imperfect 

1008
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,800
analogy, but it's like when the 
Colts, you know, made the 

1009
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,900
playoffs in almost made the 
Super Bowl in 95 and they, you 

1010
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:06,800
know, Ted marchibroda is the 
head coach. 

1011
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,600
And it's like, you know, at the 
end of that season, they're 

1012
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,400
worried about losing the 
offensive coordinator to a head 

1013
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,400
coaching job. 
So they fire marchibroda and 

1014
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,500
higher, Lindy, and fauna is the 
head coach, and that didn't work

1015
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:18,800
very well. 
So, that would be, but it's a 

1016
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:24,800
similar sort of mentality there.
I, I don't think that an 

1017
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,600
offensive assistant alone is 
going to be enough to make 

1018
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,400
people suddenly trust the 
coaching approach. 

1019
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,800
That's been taken by IU over the
course of the last four years 

1020
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,500
and whether it's just a huge 
sequence of bad luck and 

1021
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,200
unfortunate timing. 
That's LED things to be the way 

1022
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,700
that they are or whether it's 
truly something. 

1023
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,800
Systemic, it doesn't really 
matter because I think the fan 

1024
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,200
base at the end of the day, 
looks at this situation and says

1025
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,300
we do not feel like Archie 
Miller is capable of coping. 

1026
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,300
Coaching this team to the level 
that we feel IU needs to be too.

1027
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,300
I don't know how you come back 
from that other than just 

1028
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,200
winning a bunch of games and if 
hiring the offensive assistant 

1029
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,700
means, okay, suddenly you win 27
games next year. 

1030
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:08,600
Sure. 
But if, if it's still a 

1031
00:52:08,607 --> 00:52:12,600
situation where I you is bumping
around at the bottom reaches of 

1032
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,500
the bubble or, you know, sub 500
in the Big Ten, I don't think 

1033
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:18,800
it's going to make much of a 
difference at all. 

1034
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,400
Will it make a difference in the
offseason know, or maybe a 

1035
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,600
little bit? 
But I just don't think it's 

1036
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,500
going to make that much of a 
difference then either is Where 

1037
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,800
is what does need to change? 
We would let me throw you that 

1038
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,500
to you, what is it that needs to
happen to make things successful

1039
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,900
or more successful next year? 
Other than shoot better, which 

1040
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:40,300
is not really a solution. 
Yeah, I mean, I don't know 

1041
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:44,400
because it's if you're not going
to fire Archie Miller, the only 

1042
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,100
other options is you need to 
bring in other assistant 

1043
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:48,700
coaches. 
I mean, that's kind of it. 

1044
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,700
Like I will say, if that's the 
path, I you decides to go down 

1045
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,200
there kind of backed in a 
corner. 

1046
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,800
Because you can't just get a 
bunch of hot recruits. 

1047
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,500
You can't just fire your players
and if you're not going to fire 

1048
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,300
your head coach, the only option
is a bunch of assistant changes.

1049
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:07,800
You know, and in the end this is
where we are at where it 

1050
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,200
honestly does none of none of 
this shit matters. 

1051
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,500
It's down to you got to win 
games and you got to win a lot 

1052
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:14,400
of when you got to win a lot of 
games against a lot of good 

1053
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,000
teams like they start the year 
off. 

1054
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,200
If they play a bunch of, you 
know, the garbage, you know, 

1055
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,800
North Carolina Eastern State. 
You know, no one's going to care

1056
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,900
if they fit it, they start 10 
and 0 against a bunch of 

1057
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:24,800
garbage. 
Music right? 

1058
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,900
What you going to do in the Big 
Ten? 

1059
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,600
And they're going to have to win
games in the Big Ten, their have

1060
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,300
to win a lot of games against a 
lot of good teams and the first 

1061
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,200
couple of games were anything 
resembles this season. 

1062
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:37,600
There's going to be people piss,
there's gonna be booze. 

1063
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200
The seat is going to be 
ridiculously hot. 

1064
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,400
So even if they fired, all of 
our cheese assistance and 

1065
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,500
heyerdahl, new assistants, they 
come in, and they lose a couple 

1066
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:48,300
games in an early preseason 
tournament. 

1067
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,900
People are going to be pissed, 
like there is no, the only thing

1068
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,200
now, we are at complete results.
Matter. 

1069
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:56,300
And it doesn't matter. 
Any of the underlying numbers 

1070
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,000
like, all the metrics look bad, 
they got to win games. 

1071
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Like they've got to win, 25 or 
more games. 

1072
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,600
It's a very tough task. 
They got to get in the top for 

1073
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,600
the Big Ten. 
They need to be a protected seed

1074
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,400
in the tournament. 
They got to do a bunch of shit 

1075
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,500
that I don't think it's 
possible. 

1076
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,000
But that's where they are at. 
That's what has to get done to 

1077
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,100
get the heat off because Archie,
and this program has spent four 

1078
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:20,300
years letting the birders boil 
this to a point where now just 

1079
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:25,200
going 9 and 9 in the Big Ten and
squeaking in as an Seed, I don't

1080
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,400
see people being like all right 
great, we're back on track. 

1081
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:31,600
First of all, I mean, I don't 
think there's if Archie's back I

1082
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,900
think the staffs going to be 
back and and you know, it's 

1083
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:39,200
unfair to talk about guys 
getting fired or replaced or 

1084
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,100
things like that. 
I mean, I think that's, it's 

1085
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:48,500
beyond what anybody should be 
asking because I think again, I 

1086
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:51,600
don't it's hard to blame an 
assistant coach for anything 

1087
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,100
that goes on in a program. 
Unless you're Trying to get out 

1088
00:54:55,100 --> 00:55:01,900
from under NCAA violations, but 
in terms of the way that this 

1089
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,900
program is conducting itself, 
the big issues, the big broad 

1090
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,100
issues that are problematic that
need to get fixed. 

1091
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,800
There has to be a complete 
reconsideration of both the 

1092
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,000
offensive and defensive systems,
like what we've seen, whatever 

1093
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,700
the impulse has been for Archie 
Miller and his staff as far as 

1094
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:23,600
this is how we're going to play 
offense and this is how we're 

1095
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,100
going to play defense. 
It's just it it has not worked 

1096
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:30,200
and that has to be the first 
thing that gets reconsidered. 

1097
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,200
Now, that's probably not going 
to happen because of the rough. 

1098
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,800
This like this is this is the 
bunkers thing is, I know. 

1099
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,700
We're discussing this track but 
it's like in our discussion of 

1100
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:42,700
keeping him you're like all 
right. 

1101
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,000
Well the offense doesn't work 
and the defense doesn't work and

1102
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,300
they both need to be 
re-engineered. 

1103
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,800
It's like what else is there 
right? 

1104
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,100
Like that is what you're like to
play does multi-engine fall off.

1105
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,300
Off the plane, right? 
But what you know we're going to

1106
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,700
learn to be a glider like I 
can't what you're doing. 

1107
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:00,600
I'm not trying to interrupt but 
it's like this is where it's 

1108
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,200
like I don't know how you go in 
and next year where it's like 

1109
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,500
are we got to re-engineer 
everything about the program? 

1110
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:07,500
It's like all right well that 
that means it's not working. 

1111
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:10,000
I don't disagree. 
I'm just trying to answer the 

1112
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,700
scenario if nothing changes, 
what has to change. 

1113
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:18,200
And I mean the one you can look 
at the Ken Palm stats. 

1114
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,600
The one thing that sticks out is
that IU was one of the 

1115
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,100
unluckiest teams in college 
basketball this year. 

1116
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,600
Which to some degree mirrors 
cranes, third year, where that 

1117
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,700
was a very unlucky team and luck
in the Ken pom. 

1118
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:35,600
Statistics is essentially, 
there's an expected wins and 

1119
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,700
losses based upon rankings your 
ranking versus the other team. 

1120
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:44,800
And if you're losing more games 
than what your expected win, 

1121
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,300
percentage would be, that's a 
lack of luck. 

1122
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,200
The problem for IU is so much of
that seems to be self-inflicted.

1123
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,100
It's not just like, oh, teams 
keep hitting shots against us or

1124
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,500
we keep accidentally losing 
games. 

1125
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,400
All of these games are being 
lost. 

1126
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,600
They might be close, but it's 
because Indiana can't capitalize

1127
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,000
on opportunities to win games. 
It just doesn't seem to be in 

1128
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
their DNA. 
And so I guess to me, that's the

1129
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,200
biggest thing that has to change
somehow. 

1130
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,000
I you, it's not just the 
offensive and defensive systems,

1131
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000
it might be that the offensive 
and defensive systems are 

1132
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,300
functional in a Big Ten. 
They might get you 21, 22, 23 

1133
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:22,300
wins or more in a season, but 
there's not confidence among the

1134
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:24,100
players that they can execute 
these things. 

1135
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:27,300
X, there's confidence in spurts 
and then it goes away. 

1136
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:32,100
So more than how we play 
offense, how we play defense, if

1137
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,500
this staff is going to be back 
and if these players are going 

1138
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,100
to be back, everybody needs to 
take a big step back and say, 

1139
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:41,000
why are we unconfident? 
Why are we incapable of carrying

1140
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,900
through and winning games when 
other teams are, that's to me? 

1141
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:48,400
The biggest building block is, 
how do you get this team to 

1142
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,300
believe in itself? 
So I think it all stems from 

1143
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,200
that. 
Anyway, a few other items that 

1144
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,500
we had and then we're going to 
wrap up, I use lonely bison. 

1145
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,700
Asks, do you think having the 
open transfer rule in place? 

1146
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:04,600
This offseason makes for a 
unique opportunity? 

1147
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,100
For a new coach Tinsley, create 
a roster of returning players 

1148
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,600
and transfers based on his 
four-year record with Archie, be

1149
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,000
able to take advantage of this 
situation, if he stays. 

1150
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,600
So this one kind of straddles, 
the two extremes. 

1151
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,700
But yeah, this is going to be an
offseason. 

1152
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:19,000
Unlike any other, we don't know 
who's coming back. 

1153
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,400
I had several people. 
I asked, who's coming back? 

1154
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,200
Who's going to be on the team? 
We are caldeira might be back or

1155
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,200
you might not Joey brung, might 
be back or he might not Trace. 

1156
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,700
Jackson, Davis, it Christian 
Lander might be back or they 

1157
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:34,800
might not because the transfer 
rules you can transfer without 

1158
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,200
losing year. 
This offseason, right? 

1159
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Yes. 
And you can you could be a 

1160
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,400
senior that graduated this year 
and come back next year. 

1161
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:46,000
And I mean there's it is we have
no clue at this point. 

1162
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,500
What the roster is going to look
like for IU? 

1163
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:52,200
We don't know if you're going We
know Parker Stewart is going to 

1164
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,500
be here and be a part of the 
team because he just transferred

1165
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,000
and not gonna be able to 
transfer again on that. 

1166
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,300
We don't even know if the guys 
that are currently on the roster

1167
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:03,300
are going to be back those guys 
could transfer so it could be an

1168
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:07,700
entirely different group that 
you see on the roster. 

1169
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,000
You know, you're going to have 
one recruit coming in Logan. 

1170
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Duncan but other than that, it's
a big mystery and so I do think,

1171
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,100
certainly Archie could find a 
way to Attract transfers and 

1172
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,600
build a roster around that and 
that's worked elsewhere. 

1173
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:27,600
It's worked for Chris. 
Beard at Texas Tech. 

1174
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:31,500
It worked for a while for Fred 
Hoiberg at Iowa State. 

1175
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,800
You know, you, you are able to 
do that sort of thing, but to 

1176
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,300
me, it kind of highlights the 
big problem. 

1177
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,800
The other big problem with this 
program, which is that it just 

1178
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,400
is on very shaky ground right 
now, in terms of, what's what's 

1179
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,300
the foundation? 
Like, I don't think Michigan 

1180
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:49,800
State, or Ohio State, or sitting
there thinking, too. 

1181
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:50,300
Cells. 
Whoo. 

1182
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:52,300
Whoo, we're going to get the 
transfer in to try to be a good 

1183
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,500
basketball team next year. 
Again, this goes to our point. 

1184
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:59,100
I know I would completely 
disagree. 

1185
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:02,100
I think our cheese not in a good
position to do any any transfers

1186
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:05,500
this year because you know, you 
mentioned Chris beard. 

1187
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,800
You know, this is all based on 
evidence that makes no sense 

1188
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,800
with Archie, like Chris beer was
just starting at Texas Tech. 

1189
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,900
So, like, the sales job is like,
Hey, we're building something 

1190
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:15,700
here, I'm gonna be here for a 
couple of years. 

1191
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:17,200
You can come in, you know, start
this off. 

1192
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:19,800
If you're a transfer, it's like,
why do you want to come to us? 

1193
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:21,800
IU of Archie's back. 
It's like he's going to be on an

1194
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,100
insanely Hot Seat. 
He's probably gone after this 

1195
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:25,200
year. 
Now, if you're coming as see 

1196
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,500
your transfer, okay? 
Maybe just want to get one year 

1197
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:29,500
in, but then the question is, 
you know? 

1198
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,500
So we already know that that's a
massive recruiting pieces. 

1199
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:35,400
When gotten coaches have no 
uncertainty, that gets recruited

1200
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,500
against all the time. 
And we know that's a fact. 

1201
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:41,200
So, but even if you're just a 
one-and-done guy, and you just 

1202
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,000
want to go to a place, the real 
questions, like, why do you want

1203
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200
to come to IU? 
Our offense sucks to play and 

1204
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:49,200
it's taken a bunch of two's. 
There's no threes, there's no 

1205
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,400
Pace like This is not a fun 
offense to play and you go to do

1206
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,300
it in Virginia because you got a
chance to win a title but then 

1207
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:56,600
the other options. 
Okay, well we're just going to 

1208
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,600
completely change our offense 
like so what's the evidence? 

1209
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,100
So now I got to go to a place 
where you got a coat on a hot 

1210
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:02,600
seat. 
We're going to Institute a brand

1211
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,700
new offense that no one's played
before. 

1212
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,600
Yeah, I'm just gonna go to 
Michigan like what the hell is 

1213
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,200
your pitch to come here? 
It's like, hey I'm probably 

1214
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,200
going to be fired at the end of 
this next year. 

1215
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,300
Our offense sucks but we might 
change it but we might not. 

1216
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,600
Well, I don't know what's gonna 
happen. 

1217
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,100
I don't, I mean you know. 
I know you're taking the Teams 

1218
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,400
here. 
Although so it's funny as we 

1219
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,900
were talking about this, I got a
comment from Matt eibach on 

1220
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:27,900
Twitter. 
Does Marco Killingsworth have 

1221
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:30,700
any years of Eligibility luck if
it is scenario. 

1222
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:33,800
We're discussing actually is 
very empty to show before. 

1223
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,100
Hold on, hold on, Mark Michelle.
Hold on, hold on for a second. 

1224
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:42,100
Let me say what I want to say, 
that's not where I was going 

1225
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:45,600
with that, but if you, if you're
of a particular vintage of an IU

1226
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:50,300
fan, you remember this scenario 
played out and Davis is Last two

1227
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:54,700
years where they got, Margo 
Killingsworth, and Louis Monroe 

1228
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:58,800
as transfers during the like, in
the prior to that 05 season 

1229
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,100
where they lost in the NIT to 
Vanderbilt, but those guys were 

1230
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:07,100
going to supposedly come in and 
like Marco Killingsworth was 

1231
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:11,100
going to be like you know the 
next I don't know Jared Jeffries

1232
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:16,400
or is going to be like DJ white 
part 2 and it didn't work out 

1233
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,000
like Marco Killingsworth. 
It's funny you go back and look 

1234
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,700
at his stats like Like, he had 
the fourth, highest usage rate 

1235
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,100
of anybody in college basketball
that year. 

1236
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,200
And yet his offensive rating 
was, was under a point per 

1237
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,600
possession. 
Yes. 

1238
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:35,600
Like he shot the ball 
brilliantly from inside he shot.

1239
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,100
56 percent from inside, but he 
also turned the ball over on 24 

1240
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:41,600
percentage percent of his 
possessions Louis Monroe. 

1241
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Didn't really contribute, a huge
amount like played less than 50 

1242
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,700
percent of available minutes 
point being That's the problem 

1243
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:51,700
with transfers. 
You can have guys, who eat, you 

1244
01:02:51,707 --> 01:02:53,800
know, everybody thinks they're 
going to be good and can slot 

1245
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,700
right in and they might not 
necessarily work in the big 

1246
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:59,400
scheme of things. 
I'd also point out that, I mean,

1247
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,600
can you name all the transfers 
that have played in The Archie 

1248
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:08,300
Miller era at IU None right, 
right right. 

1249
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:19,800
But, but about right but brung, 
you know, is will remind 

1250
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,500
everybody. 
I mean, we knew this coming in 

1251
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:27,700
brung was not going to be an 
every down back as they say like

1252
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:30,900
he and again, he had a profile, 
kind of similar to Lewis 

1253
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,800
Monroe's, a decade and a half 
earlier where he played less 

1254
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,800
than 50% of minutes. 
And he was fine offensively. 

1255
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,000
He was one of the few guys, that
was over a point per possession,

1256
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,800
but he wasn't a guy that you 
were playing every minute of 

1257
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,400
every game. 
I don't know that he made that 

1258
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,200
huge of a difference in terms of
the big overarching issue with 

1259
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,100
IU basketball. 
So I will say there are 

1260
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,800
opportunities if you know how to
plug people in. 

1261
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,000
And if you've got the right 
people to have a better season 

1262
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,400
and I don't think a person 
coming in on a one-year thing, 

1263
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,100
isn't going to Care what's 
happening with the coach 

1264
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:03,400
long-term. 
They're just coming in because 

1265
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,600
they want to get playing time 
but I just In terms of how that 

1266
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,700
makes a team, if they're going 
to be better or worse, I don't 

1267
01:04:09,707 --> 01:04:13,100
see it making that huge of a 
difference in terms of how good 

1268
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:17,100
an Archie Miller coach team is 
necessarily going to do so. 

1269
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,800
Yeah. 
Anyway, I think that's going to 

1270
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,900
wrap it up. 
We did have a question from Matt

1271
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:25,200
Zimmerman. 
I wanted to get you to finish 

1272
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,800
off here. 
Let's see since the podcast 

1273
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,600
began, which was 2008, but was 
like, fall of 2008. 

1274
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,100
So, this was post Samson. 
Ting fired. 

1275
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:40,800
Since the podcast began, you all
have talked about for NCAA 

1276
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,900
tournament teams around. 
Those have been some of the 

1277
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:47,000
worst /. 
Most disappointing teams at IU 

1278
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
history. 
How do you keep the interest / 

1279
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,000
passion going even as many fans 
have had trouble with apathy 

1280
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:57,200
asking for a fan base? 
Yeah, it's kind of. 

1281
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:02,500
So I'll say this, when we 
started the football side of the

1282
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:07,500
podcast which is about the same 
time, We were in one of the 

1283
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:11,900
worst streaks in IU football 
history and only. 

1284
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:15,000
Now, does it feel like we've 
come into the light that is, at 

1285
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,800
the end of the tunnel? 
It's not that we can see it. 

1286
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,600
It's like, we're actually 
standing at it now. 

1287
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,400
Look, I mean, I don't know about
you, Scott, but I'm, I've been a

1288
01:05:23,408 --> 01:05:27,000
lifetime IU fan. 
I enjoy talking about the team. 

1289
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:32,500
I enjoy watching the games and, 
you know, the right now, for me,

1290
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:34,900
the passion is, it's an 
annoyance more than anything 

1291
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:37,100
else. 
Yes, I wish I cared less. 

1292
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:39,800
I do probably care a bit less 
than I did before. 

1293
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,300
I'm not as emotional about it, I
am a lot more logical in my 

1294
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:49,300
thought processes on it. 
But it is getting to a point 

1295
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:50,700
where it just kind of feels 
like. 

1296
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:57,200
I don't know why I put in extra 
effort to talk about it when 

1297
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,100
it's just not fun to talk about.
We ran into this back and you 

1298
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:02,900
know, 2017 as well. 
We're just wasn't fun to talk 

1299
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:06,700
about and so we talked about it 
last We podcast the last, we did

1300
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:10,300
less with it, so I don't have a 
good answer for you. 

1301
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:13,900
I mean I it's to some degree, 
it's out of habit at this stage.

1302
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,700
It just, it does feel like a 
very elusive thing where the 

1303
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:23,200
rewards for doing this every 
week, or several times a week. 

1304
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:26,500
There's has been a lot of payoff
and look, I'm not expect, I'm 

1305
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:31,000
not doing it to get payoff, but 
I do wonder what it would be 

1306
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,000
like to be broadcasting or 
podcasting about an You program.

1307
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,100
That was consistently good. 
All the time, like that sounds 

1308
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:40,600
like a lot of fun. 
I just don't know what that is 

1309
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:45,000
like at this stage. 
Yeah I mean I've joked that you 

1310
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,700
know I've spent more time in the
last 20 years researching and 

1311
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:53,900
talking about Coach buyouts my 
own coach buyouts then like you 

1312
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:58,000
know NCAA seating. 
You know it's been a fun ride. 

1313
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,400
I've learned about nit seating 
websites like that's been a fun 

1314
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,200
little Deep dive learning that 
there's you know, Bracketology 

1315
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,800
for nit. 
I No, that existed in the 90s 

1316
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,100
because we didn't have to deal 
with that. 

1317
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:10,600
That's like going to find heroin
on the streets. 

1318
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,000
Like, wow, people are doing this
to like I didn't realize there's

1319
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,800
nit Bracketology I felt dirty 
doing that. 

1320
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,500
Now I wish I could be doing 
that. 

1321
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,000
It's also, you know, this time 
of year, we didn't have it this 

1322
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,400
season, because the football. 
But honestly, this is kind of 

1323
01:07:23,408 --> 01:07:25,700
the time or it's like, alright. 
I love talking to you. 

1324
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,700
We've been doing this for a long
time, but this is kind of like, 

1325
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:29,700
all right. 
Whoo, we get a couple months 

1326
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:31,300
off. 
Now, move the sit down and talk 

1327
01:07:31,300 --> 01:07:33,200
about football basketball for a 
while. 

1328
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,900
But it does It sucks. 
We'll probably end up taking 

1329
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:39,900
more time off. 
I go back to the assembly call. 

1330
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:42,200
I have no idea how they do it 
after every game. 

1331
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,200
It's like, after every game, I 
couldn't imagine talking about 

1332
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,900
it. 
I'm happy that we have kind of 

1333
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:50,100
our setup or we're just be like,
yeah, we're done talking for a 

1334
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:53,900
while and be nice. 
I mean, it'd be nice. 

1335
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:58,600
I remember, I, I'll end on this,
like I remember as a kid. 

1336
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,400
I used to love watching The One 
Shining Moment every year and 

1337
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,600
I'd be excited like, oh, what 
are they going to highlight with

1338
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,200
IU and like Yeah, bob Knight 
doing the goggles thing and you 

1339
01:08:07,207 --> 01:08:10,000
have bot night yelling at sure 
on Wilkerson and there's moments

1340
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,100
where we're in there, and then 
it became like, oh like who 

1341
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:13,800
there is a picture of an eye, 
you baby baby. 

1342
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,400
And I you thing and that's all 
we got. 

1343
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,800
And then it's like the one year 
we made it to the final four. 

1344
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,700
It's like, oh my gosh, we're 
going to be in One Shining 

1345
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:22,500
Moment Like a lot of us. 
And then the next year we get, 

1346
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:23,600
you know, bounce in the first 
round. 

1347
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,399
It's like, well, we make it and 
it's I used to re-watch those 

1348
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,100
throughout the year. 
I haven't done that in five or 

1349
01:08:29,108 --> 01:08:32,100
six or seven years. 
Like I just all the things that 

1350
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,399
I used to be excited about and 
interested in. 

1351
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:35,700
It's like, okay, I'll watch 
Watch it. 

1352
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,100
Watch whether a bunch of other 
teams like the train has left 

1353
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:40,700
the station for everybody else. 
They're enjoying it. 

1354
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,600
I still watch games, we still 
podcast, but my interest is I 

1355
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,700
wouldn't say waning. 
It's just kind of like it's 

1356
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:50,399
dormant. 
It's just kind of bummed out. 

1357
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:54,399
And it'll come back. 
I mean 27 and 2012 2013, when we

1358
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,399
were good, I was excited again 
and it'll come back. 

1359
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:01,200
I think that's, that's the 
really, really depressing part 

1360
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,200
is IU is sitting on something 
where they know that if they get

1361
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:07,800
It again, and they get in the 
top ten, everyone's going to 

1362
01:09:07,808 --> 01:09:10,600
come back. 
So, you know, that's the real 

1363
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,899
depressing thing is like, what 
is their motivation to really 

1364
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:16,600
feel the fire underneath them to
do this? 

1365
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,700
Because if the minute we get a 
couple good recruits and we come

1366
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:22,000
back were in the top 10, every 
ones that fill it back up, and 

1367
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,800
the prices are going back up at 
all, be there. 

1368
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:27,200
That's really depressing part. 
Yeah, it's thanks, Matt. 

1369
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:30,200
Appreciate it. 
I, you know, thank God for 

1370
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,500
football like thank God football
is better. 

1371
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,200
It keeps us excited. 
But yeah. 

1372
01:09:35,300 --> 01:09:39,100
It's this is not, it's not good 
times, it's not been a good 20 

1373
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:41,800
years for IU basketball. 
I my only hope is that we're 

1374
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,600
like Bill Simmons where he had a
bad run and then it's just like 

1375
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,899
he had 20 years of, you know, 20
years of back in winning titles,

1376
01:09:49,899 --> 01:09:53,800
all across the board. 
The Barking means it's time to 

1377
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,900
stop the podcast. 
So I think we'll go ahead and 

1378
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:58,700
wrap it up there. 
Well, we'll keep you posted on 

1379
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:00,900
things where we just were 
finishing recording this at 

1380
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:03,100
11:55 on Friday. 
The 12th. 

1381
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:07,000
What do you think happens? 
We'll end on this, we'll each 

1382
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,500
give. 
Like, what do you think happens?

1383
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:11,700
And do you think I, you does 
what you said and do they make 

1384
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:15,100
an announcement one way or the 
other the next 48 hours and then

1385
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:16,300
what do you think their 
announcement is? 

1386
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:18,300
I don't think they're going to 
make an announcement the next 48

1387
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,500
hours. 
I think it will be an 

1388
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,800
announcement next week and I 
don't know what the 

1389
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,800
announcements going to be. 
I really don't. 

1390
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,400
I love to say that I had a 
strong feeling one way or the 

1391
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,500
other at this point, I don't 
because again, I think it's a 

1392
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:34,700
justifiable Decision. 
When you factor in everything, I

1393
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:38,300
think it's a justifiable 
decision either way money. 

1394
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,500
Competitiveness, how much we 
care about basketball all those 

1395
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:44,000
things? 
But I just don't know. 

1396
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,000
And I would at this point not 
wager or put forward to guess 

1397
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:54,100
because I think that there's 
just no point because I've it 

1398
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:55,500
didn't work. 
I think we I think we'll find 

1399
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,600
out at some point here in the 
next week or two, a bunch of 

1400
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,900
things. 
But I just this at this stage I 

1401
01:11:00,907 --> 01:11:02,900
don't have Enough insight to say
one way or the other. 

1402
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:06,800
Yeah, based on nothing. 
I think that we're going to hear

1403
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,300
nothing, but I just think it's 
just going to be three weeks of 

1404
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,600
nothing and then he's going to 
stay based on the fact, we've 

1405
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,500
heard nothing. 
Alright well we'll see how 

1406
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:18,500
things go. 
We'll be back if you've got 

1407
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:20,500
questions or comments go ahead 
and send them to us on Twitter. 

1408
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:23,100
We will get to them. 
The next time we podcast which 

1409
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,000
might be relatively soon for 
Scott. 

1410
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,600
I'm Galen. 
This is Crimson cast basketball,

1411
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,700
season is over. 
Thank God. 

1412
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:32,800
Will talk to you guys for on the
flip side. 

1413
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:33,400
So everybody,