1 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,560 And good evening, folks, and welcome back to Bison Chat. 2 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,200 Galen Clavio joining you here as we get set for some excellent IU 3 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,000 football talk. As we've got a lot to talk about 4 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,560 tonight. The College Football Playoff 5 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,240 rankings are out. We're going to break those down 6 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,440 in grave detail. We've got a game to recap from 7 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,960 this last weekend, Indiana pulverizing Michigan State in 8 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,200 East Lansing and then of course, a huge game coming up this 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,320 Saturday is Indiana hosts Michigan and one of the most 10 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,240 pivotal games in the history of the program. 11 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,300 No pressure anybody, but joined as always by Joe Cronin, my Co 12 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,040 host. Joe, good to see you again. 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,800 How you doing on this rainy evening in Indiana? 14 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,120 I'm good. The rain caught me off guard. 15 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,280 I was leaving my class and then me and Austin Platt fell soon 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,880 and Sam Brunsen, we had to record our quest for 9 Indiana 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,840 men's soccer podcast and I was heading back to my place and it 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,360 just started pouring. I was like, ah, you got to be 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,720 kidding. I was in shorts and AT shirt. 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,320 So got home drenched, hair just fully wet, but took a nap. 21 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:27,960 We rallied lot a lot of big national news with the College 22 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,400 Football Playoff trade deadline in the NFL and then Tuesday 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,600 night match and great Football night, right? 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,480 I'm really impressed at your bounce back ability and and 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,960 getting a little bit of rest before a big night of everything 26 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:43,120 going on across not just college football, but some other things 27 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,960 going on in the country as well. That'll be big. 28 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,720 So good on you. We've also got Zac Browning 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,320 joining us from NBC Sports and and from other venues. 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,440 Zac, welcome back to the show. How you doing? 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,320 I'm fantastic. Thank you so much for having me 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,120 back gone. As you mentioned though, nothing 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,360 else going on in the country right now other than somebody 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,560 football talk. That's all there is to talk 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,840 about. And so that's all we're gonna 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,880 hit. But yeah, let's go ahead and 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,919 jump right into it, folks, as we've got a lot of playoff talk. 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:16,960 The the first rankings come out and Indiana comes in ranked well 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,480 #8 but actually #9 it, it was a bit confusing and we'll explain 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,280 why. But Indiana in the College 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Football Playoff rankings, which is always nice like you, you 42 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,520 there was there was a a world where they weren't actually in 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,240 the College Football Playoff rankings. 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,400 But as I noted somebody earlier on tonight saying Indiana's 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,080 never not been in the 12 team College Football Playoff 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,960 rankings. So some good stuff happening. 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,360 You can see the bracket. I'm gonna put it up here for 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:49,360 those of you that are watching the ignore the ridiculous thing 49 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,120 that this guy Brandon Walker is saying. 50 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,560 I'm just going to block it there so you're not seeing his his 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,880 ridiculous words. But Indiana nine seed. 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,560 They would technically be 8 seed, but because BYU in this 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,360 scenario is the Big 12 champ, they get the four seed and the 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,600 bye. So Indiana ends up falling down 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,840 and instead of hosting a game in this bracket, they would 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,840 actually be traveling on the road to take Tennessee on. 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,800 These are very premature. Like we've got still like 58 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,680 several weeks until we actually have to worry about any of this 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,040 stuff. But you can see the rest of the 60 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,720 bracket. Indiana, not the last team in. 61 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,400 They were actually 4IN from the bottom of the bubble. 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,880 The last team into this mix, Boise State as the Group of Five 63 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,480 champion. And then of course, Alabama is 64 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,360 the 11 seed, Notre Dame is the 10 seed, and then Indiana would 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,960 be ahead of BYU if BYU wasn't leading the Big 12. 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Some other notable items here. You've got Tennessee is the the 67 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,760 the eighth seed here even though they're 7th ranked overall. 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,880 You've got Texas as another SEC team in this mix. 69 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,480 You've got Penn State and we're going to talk about the Nittany 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,960 Lions here in a little bit, and then your four projected 71 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,880 conference champions based upon today, BYU, Georgia, Miami out 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,160 of the ACC, and then of course Oregon. 73 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Guys, let me go around the table here first and foremost and get 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,400 your reactions to what we saw. Zach, you're the guest. 75 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,839 So let's get your thoughts first on these the rankings, the 76 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,240 reveal everything. Well, First off, I thought the 77 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,200 reveal was done well. We're just going to going to 78 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,720 give a shout at Therese Davis. That intro video was fantastic. 79 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,280 I enjoyed it thoroughly, but coming into tonight I was back 80 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:34,000 and forth on whether Indiana would be an 8 or 9 seed slash 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,200 ranking, whatever you want to call it. 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,520 I was assuming they'd probably maybe be that eighth seed, said 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,560 they're the ninth seed. But I think it's kind of telling 84 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,680 how the committee kind of values the strength of schedule and 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,120 it's been the big thing that's been talked about throughout 86 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,200 these rankings and throughout the run up and lead up to these 87 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,560 rankings is strength of schedule. 88 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,320 That's kind of the biggest thing holding Indiana back on a 89 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,000 national perspective is the fact that the Hoosiers haven't 90 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,840 necessarily played anybody of a super high caliber at to this 91 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,840 point in the season. So that's why Tennessee ahead of 92 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:04,000 Indiana. Surprising to some, I go back 93 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,760 and forth on it, yes, Tennessee has one lost. 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,400 Yes, that one lost was to a not very good Arkansas team. 95 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,920 That win over what was then a ranked Oklahoma team not looking 96 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,640 so good. But of course, Tennessee does 97 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,080 have that win over Alabama. So it's all about that strength 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,600 of sketch. And I think that's where we see 99 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,280 these rankings kind of fall into line. 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Yeah, Joe, your thoughts? I mean, something that Reece 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,280 Davis said at the top of the show was you'd be surprised by 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,760 how similar that the eight people and the cultural playoff 103 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,680 rankings are. And they're nearly identical for 104 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,840 this ranking outside of Georgia and Ohio State being flipped at 105 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,000 the two and the three in that respective regards. 106 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,160 And I know there's been some remarks about Penn State. 107 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,480 The issue is it's hard to punish a team when they're losing to 108 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,720 what was as the second best team in the country. 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,120 So they're not going to have that much slippage from that. 110 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Yes, they have a loss as compared to an undefeated 111 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,280 Indiana, but they value that resume so much. 112 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,280 It's why BYU is ranked the way they are because they just don't 113 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:06,400 think BYU has the strength of schedule to really put that then 114 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,200 into the upper echelon. And some of the guys on the 115 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,200 show, they felt like BYU is getting hosed a little bit here 116 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,640 and there just from the fact they're also undefeated, could 117 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,560 be a conference champion. And they don't have a ton of 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,120 wiggle room at the spell. Like Indiana has more wiggle 119 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,800 room right now than BYU, who's a projected conference champion. 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,400 So that was interesting. I, I think they went right 121 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,160 around where I thought they would go right in that 8-9 spot. 122 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,680 I think it would be really cool either way. 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,080 What they're, they're able to host a game, whether they're on 124 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,720 the road at Newland Stadium. I mean, that would be a 125 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,880 spiritual experience to see kind of that SEC culture, especially 126 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,640 out in Knox, but not upset by it. 127 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,480 I think they fit in well where Indiana had what they've done so 128 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,960 far in this season and how they're ranking going forward. 129 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,080 And it's really they control their own destiny for being able 130 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,000 to make it and kind of where they see it as well. 131 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Yeah, I got to agree with you guys. 132 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,720 I thought Indiana would be in that 7 to 8 range. 133 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,680 So 9 is not that far off obviously. 134 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,400 And I was interested in some of the things that the committee 135 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,080 was going to try to take into account and the problem. 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,280 And I'm actually sympathetic to some degree to committees when 137 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,840 it comes to these things because these are not apples to apples 138 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,200 comparisons. Yes, Indiana's got a a weaker 139 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,960 strength of schedule as I think ESPN is contractually obligated 140 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,960 to mention every sentence that they utter. 141 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,480 It's kind of wild. But I'll also note that Indiana 142 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,720 has a top 10 FPI ranking, which is a power ranking that that 143 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,360 takes into account how well you're playing on both sides of 144 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,600 the ball, who you played against and and so on and so forth. 145 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,800 And and certainly the level to which you have beaten those 146 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,480 teams, and it's tough because you know, you can complain about 147 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,960 BYU as as they did on the show and say, well, guy, you know, 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,240 BYU's won at SMU or BYU blew out Kansas State. 149 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,320 But BYU also barely beat Oklahoma State. 150 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,000 They only won it by 6 at Baylor, who's not that great of a team. 151 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,160 You know, if you look at BYUS FPI, they're 28th in the 152 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,320 country. I mean, that's that's a problem. 153 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,200 If you're BYU, you're just not winning games by that much. 154 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,280 And then, you know, you look at a team like Penn State and this 155 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,600 is where you just kind of know what you're getting when it 156 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,040 comes to college football and rankings, whether it's a 157 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,600 committee or whether it's a poll. 158 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,680 You know, I've been arguing for a while. 159 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,280 Like you go down the list of what Penn State has done overall 160 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 on this season, Zach. I mean, we have a three. 161 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Point win. At USC, they have a a 15 point 162 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,240 win with a lot of noise coming over the speakers here. 163 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Guys, I'm not sure what's going on, but we have a a 15 point win 164 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,559 at Wisconsin. And then they got a bunch of 165 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,080 nothing else. Like, they've beaten West 166 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,320 Virginia, Bowling Green, Kent State, Illinois and UCLA all by 167 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,040 lesser margins than Indiana has beat their opponents, and then 168 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,400 they lose at home to Ohio State. I mean, it's just one of those 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,200 things where I'm not sure why they're getting credit to the 170 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,280 point that there are a couple of spots ahead of Indiana. 171 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,960 But as Joe pointed out, Zach, the nice thing for Indiana is A, 172 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,320 they're undefeated, and very few other teams in this mix can say 173 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,240 that, and B. They have a. 174 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,080 Stronger strength to schedule going forward than what they've 175 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,320 had coming up to this point, which will even those things out 176 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,120 a bit. Exactly. 177 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,240 You got Mission Michigan coming up, obviously that date with 178 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,840 Ohio State in Columbus as well in a few weeks time. 179 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,320 My biggest thing though, when you're talking about this BYU 180 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Indiana discussion, Indiana 8, BYU 9. 181 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,200 As far as the rankings are concerned, it's interesting to 182 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,440 me the argument between strength of schedule, because if you look 183 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,440 at BYU, yes, they've got that win against SMU. 184 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,680 Theoretically, their strength of schedule, if you want to take it 185 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,320 for what it is, is probably better than Indiana's. 186 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,080 They have that road win against another team that's shown up in 187 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,840 these rankings, within the top thirteen of these rankings with 188 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,800 SMU being at #13. But clearly the community is not 189 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,840 weighing BYU strength of schedule over Indiana's strength 190 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,000 of schedule and what Indiana has done. 191 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,760 They both not lost the game. They're both undefeated. 192 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,600 But despite BYU may be having that bigger win against SMU on 193 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,160 the road, BYU still lower than Indiana. 194 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,840 So I'm curious what the difference between Indiana 195 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,200 versus BYU is versus maybe Indiana and Tennessee. 196 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,320 Indiana obviously doesn't have the loss that Tennessee has. 197 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,600 So it's a little bit curious to me what and how much the 198 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,040 strength of schedule actually matters in the minds of the 199 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,160 committee, because obviously BYU, again, they have that road 200 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,000 to win against SMU. So the strength of schedule is 201 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,760 probably slightly better than Indiana's, but yet Indiana still 202 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,000 ranked ahead of them. So then why is Indiana not 203 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,800 ranked ahead of Tennessee? Because Indiana's strength of 204 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,440 schedule might be worse than Tennessee. 205 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,640 But again, what they've done and the schedule that they've played 206 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,880 and who's been put in front of them, there's not really 207 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,080 anything or anybody that can detract from what Indiana has 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,560 done. They've beaten everybody in 209 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:41,880 front of them and they've done it very, very handily. 210 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,200 Joe, as you look at what Indiana's got coming up, 211 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,360 obviously you've got this game against Michigan, you got the 212 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,760 game at Ohio State, you got the home game against Purdue. 213 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,800 You look at these teams and, and I think one of the things that's 214 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,080 important for people to keep in mind, and I and I want to call 215 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,320 this up so that everybody's just aware of, you know, some of the 216 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,720 the things that are going to be notable as we move forward. 217 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Like this is the first picture of the College Football Playoff. 218 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,200 And it's by no means the last time we're going to see these 219 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,760 things change. And I wanted to call this 220 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,680 particular tweet up that I sent out earlier because I think it's 221 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,160 important to realize that between now and the end of 222 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,960 conference championships, all of the following things that you 223 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,960 see on the screen have to happen because these teams are playing 224 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,720 each other. Texas and A&M play each other, 225 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Alabama and LSU play each other. Georgia plays Ole Miss Georgia 226 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,080 plays Tennessee. Notre Dame plays Army, Clemson 227 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,680 plays Pitt. Iowa State plays K State 2. 228 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,040 Like, there's going to be two teams in the SEC title game. 229 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,560 One of them's going to lose a game. 230 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,520 One of the ACC teams is going to lose a game. 231 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,400 And then one of the Big 12 teams is going to lose a game. 232 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,720 And you know, this is where as much as it might feel like you 233 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,240 need to overreact and say, wow, Indiana's too low or Indiana 234 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,080 does have a lot of margin. Like even if Indiana loses to 235 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,440 Ohio State and and this is where I get annoyed with ESP NS, you 236 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,120 know, proclamation that well, Indiana better win that Ohio 237 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,280 State game and they might be left out. 238 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,160 It's like Indiana's gonna even in that scenario, if they beat 239 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,280 Michigan, which is an if, it's not a guarantee. 240 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,040 And if they beat Purdue, you're 11 and one in the Big 10 with 241 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,360 one of the best strength of record rankings in the entire 242 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,720 country. You're going to be still top 243 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,120 ten, maybe top 12 FPI. You're in a lot better shape 244 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,440 than a two or three loss SEC team or ACC team. 245 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,240 I think that that's something that you can kind of take some 246 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,200 solace in as an Indiana fan. It's, it's not like you have to 247 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,640 run the table. You're going to get left out, 248 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,840 even though that might be what it looks like based upon the 249 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:54,160 rankings right now. Joe, can you guys hear me? 250 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,440 I got you. OK, Joe may be frozen, so Joe is 251 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,160 Joe. Yeah, I. 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,560 Yeah, you guys, you're having some Internet issues at the 253 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,560 house, I think. Well, Joe, I mean, just yeah. 254 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:08,640 The house is having some Internet issues right now. 255 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,520 No, it's fine. Zach, why don't you dive in? 256 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,000 I mean. With Go ahead. 257 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Who's got it? I'll, I'll go ahead. 258 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,960 I got it. Well, exactly these things. 259 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,800 And again, it's the first rendition of these rankings. 260 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,520 These things kind of have a way of just figuring themselves out. 261 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,440 Talk about the committee's job right now is much easier than 262 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,480 the committee's job will be in a couple weeks time once all these 263 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,680 SEC teams have taken on each other. 264 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,600 You mentioned teams like Georgia, Alabama, Alabama's got 265 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,440 two losses. Can they realistically afford 266 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,800 another loss? Probably not. 267 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,440 That third loss for Alabama would likely see them out. 268 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,240 And then once the end of the season comes and you're weighing 269 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,800 potentially A1 loss Big 10 team versus A2 loss SEC team, it's 270 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 going to be decisions for the committee once that time comes. 271 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,440 But the thing with that is, again, they'll work itself out. 272 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,600 It will work itself out. The SEC teams are really just 273 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,200 going to pick each other apart. The Big 10 teams, not so much 274 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,280 because Ohio State's already played Penn State, Ohio State's 275 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,880 already played Oregon, Indiana and Ohio State are upcoming. 276 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,640 The Big 10 teams are likely going to finish each with one 277 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,400 loss or Oregon potentially undefeated. 278 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,920 But the conversation gets a little bit more dicey and a 279 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,160 little bit more tricky when you start factoring in the SEC 280 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,920 teams. A handful of them could be two 281 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,160 lost teams, A handful could even be 3 lost teams. 282 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,480 How does the committee weigh that? 283 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,440 If it's a loss against the team like Texas or against the team 284 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,160 like Tennessee, when their losses against each other, it'll 285 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,520 be interesting to see how the community kind of plays that 286 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,840 out. Go ahead, Joe. 287 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,720 I just want to go back to your point that you made about like 288 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Indiana doesn't necessarily have to run the table and I think 289 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,120 that's true. I think they do have a wiggle 290 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,240 room with pending they go 2 and one with that loss to Ohio 291 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,840 State. And if that is competitive as 292 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,080 well, if they're lose by 70, maybe the committee says that's 293 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,120 a that's an issue right there. But if that doesn't happen, if 294 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,000 they play Kolos close loss against Ohio State, one of the 295 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,800 best teams in the country, a top two team according to the 296 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,120 College Football Playoff rankings, in one of the toughest 297 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,160 places to play in Columbus, OH at the Shoe. 298 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,760 I think they're in that it's hard to to push them out, 299 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,160 especially being at that eighth spot. 300 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,160 They have a little bit of wiggle room for a, you know, a top two 301 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,600 loss that that allows some of that to happen. 302 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,120 We people around the country, some people, at least some 303 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,440 pundits, not happy with where Indiana's at. 304 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,880 They feel like they're too low. Joel Klatt, who we know from Fox 305 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,160 the league, he's a big fan. Big fan. 306 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,240 His quote on X. Any blue blood with Indiana 307 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,360 football's resume would be at worst #4 the disrespect to the 308 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,680 Hoosiers is real. We got Dan Orlovsky, ESPN 309 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,520 commentator, saying Indiana at 9 is a complete and utter joke. 310 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,160 We've had a couple of others like that as well and. 311 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,360 I mean even at the top of the show Booger McFarlane was saying 312 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,440 Indiana is going to get disrespected and they're John 313 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,560 bag like. Ari Wasserman saying Indiana 314 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,080 being ranked behind Penn State is BS. 315 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Straight BS. It's it's going to be 316 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,040 interesting. This is divisive. 317 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,240 I'm really fascinated to see how this works moving forward. 318 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,440 I'll tell you who is not worried about the rankings right now is 319 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,440 Kurt Signetti. He was asked about whether they 320 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,160 were going to be watching the show in his presser on Monday. 321 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,400 Here's what he had to say. I mean, I'll see the rankings, 322 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,480 but the only thing that really matters is that you get the 323 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,720 result on, you know, when you play. 324 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,400 And to do that, you got to keep the main thing the main thing 325 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,960 and eliminate the noise in the clutter and stay focused on 326 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,640 what's going to help you play your best on Saturday to give 327 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,920 you the best chance to get the result. 328 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,760 Every week presents its own new set of circumstances. 329 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 And so there's a lot of that going on this week. 330 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,960 I'm aware of it. But to get kind of caught up on 331 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,480 that and and lose your focus would be the kiss of death. 332 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,600 He's right. It would be the kiss of death. 333 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,600 And it's interesting because I almost would argue that what 334 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,160 we've seen in the College Football Playoff committee 335 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,119 ranking here kind of feeds in to Kurt Signetti and how he would 336 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,800 want to approach coaching this team going into this Michigan 337 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,520 game. I mean, I not that you need to 338 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,400 get your team focused, you know, because it's Michigan and it's a 339 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,800 huge game in its own right. But you can very easily walk 340 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,680 into the locker room tomorrow and say, guys, they don't want 341 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,160 you in the College Football Playoff. 342 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,119 Like they're setting you up to fail here. 343 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,760 And yeah, to try to light a fire under your team when they're 344 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,080 nine and O and have played as well as Indiana's played is very 345 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,440 difficult. But Kurt Signetti keeps getting 346 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,280 handed little motivational things that he can bring into 347 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,720 that locker room. Zac Browning, you know, whether 348 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,400 it's the AP poll, whether it's this, whether it's some of the 349 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,400 commentary, just in general, it is really fascinating. 350 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,160 For a guy like Signetti, who loves to play, probably 351 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,320 internally that disrespect angle to try to get his guys fired up, 352 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,120 this is perfect, right? Well, that's absolutely perfect, 353 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:54,840 not only for him but for the players as well. 354 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,480 You've got 13 guys that came over from James Madison, a 355 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,880 Sunbelt Conference, a Group of Five conference. 356 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,440 Those guys are now on the big stage in the Big 10, but they 357 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,560 still necessarily don't feel like they're getting that Big 10 358 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,200 level of recognition. So I think that only feeds to 359 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,280 the kind of hunger as well. And I think going back real 360 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,760 quick to the college football rankings, it's made its way 361 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,000 around social media this week. And the comparison between 362 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,160 Indiana at this point in the season and Michigan, the 363 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,240 national champions at this point in last season. 364 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,960 And how similar the teams are in terms of their strength of 365 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,520 schedule, in terms of how much they're dominating opponents. 366 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,040 And Michigan last season at this time was ranked #2 in the 367 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,200 country. Indiana obviously coming in not 368 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,040 #2 in the country #8 with the ranking #9 so #8 seed. 369 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,720 So I think that's just interesting, the kind of brand 370 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,720 name that Michigan is versus what Indiana is. 371 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,120 So I think it's, again, just more fuel to the fire for Kurt 372 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,840 Signetti. And I think the players they are 373 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,720 when ready to jump on anything that can give them that extra 374 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,320 edge. Joe, you know, any other 375 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,280 thoughts on that front? I mean, you know, Indiana, 376 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,920 obviously this is a big game this week. 377 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,720 We're going to talk about how big it is and why later on. 378 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,640 But you know, the the College Football Playoff rankings 379 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,040 release had the potential to be a distraction. 380 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,280 It's something that players can get caught up in. 381 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,440 This group's been really good so far about not getting caught up 382 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,560 in all of these extra things that we're not used to, whether 383 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,200 it's game day or big noon kickoff or whatever. 384 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,920 Here's another one of those items. 385 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,520 But it's clear from this that Indiana isn't safe in the 386 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,040 College Football Playoff. They've still got work to do. 387 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,960 How do you think that plays in the locker room? 388 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,640 I mean, I it just gives them more fuel, honestly. 389 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,680 These are level headed guys. And yeah, they've had moments to 390 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,080 kind of relish in the glory that they've had so far. 391 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,640 And they've been asked, hey, I mean, how does it feel like, you 392 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,160 know, Bloomington, IU is all kind of falling in love with 393 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,320 this team. They enjoy it, but they are also 394 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,960 playing with this next day mentality, next play mentality. 395 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,320 I mean, they play every snap like it is their last. 396 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,400 Like they're trailing like they have something to prove. 397 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,120 I mean, they beat Michigan State by 37 and in the fourth quarter 398 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,000 held them to 0 yards when it was already a blow. 399 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,400 It's just stuff like that. They have this mentality that 400 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,400 they're going to go in and steal the soul from the other team and 401 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,000 they've been able to do that. I mean, got to talk to CJ W 402 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,360 earlier today and it was just like, hey, Michigan defending 403 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,720 national champions, you know, everything riding on this one 404 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,160 second to last home game, stuff like that. 405 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,760 And he's like. This is the most important game 406 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,320 because it's the next one. And that's verbatim of what 407 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,840 Signetti has been saying all year. 408 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,920 But the team is purely like based off of what he's been able 409 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,440 to lead and it's lead by example. 410 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,040 And they follow that chain of command so well. 411 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,080 And I think because of the mentality that Signetti has 412 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,840 implemented with this team, the ability of the team to follow 413 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,280 along with it, with so many guys that already understood what it 414 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,000 took, adding those new guys like CJ W, like Curtis Rourke, Miles 415 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,640 Price, those guys came in from different places, Justice 416 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Ellison from Wake Forest, they were able to buy into this 417 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,400 mentality because they saw the core group already have it. 418 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,320 And then when they believe they're able to just go and show 419 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,800 the country now that they belong and there really is nothing 420 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,800 besides the outside noise saying, oh, their strength to 421 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,120 schedule this, blah, blah, it's Indiana, this they've been able 422 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:05,080 to play within themselves at a tremendous level and just block 423 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,880 out everything. There a question here from Nick 424 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,200 Barna. Serious question with the 425 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,480 conference realignments, how are schedules determined? 426 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,240 Is there any rotation or is it a random computer assignment each 427 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,800 year? So there's kind of two different 428 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,280 components. There's really three different 429 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,720 components to the schedule that are worth keeping in mind. 430 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,040 So a, you have your non conference, which is entirely 431 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,160 determined by the team. So like Indiana chose this year 432 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,720 to buy out the Louisville game, replace that with I think the 433 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,200 Charlotte game. And so they ended up with 434 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,800 Western Illinois, FIU and Charlotte, weaker schedule, but 435 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,480 that was on purpose and a good idea because Indiana needed kind 436 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,120 of a a long runway with a new coach, new coaching staff, new 437 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,240 team coming in to kind of get their feet under them. 438 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,480 If you look at their future schedules as far as non 439 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,720 conference, like next year, they've already got their non 440 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,880 conference set. It's not very good. 441 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,520 They're playing Old Dominion, Kennesaw State and Indiana State 442 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,360 in the first three weeks of the season. 443 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,400 Powerhouses. Powerhouses right there. 444 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,600 But again, you normally make up for that in the Big 10, which 445 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,080 they do next year and we'll talk about in a second. 446 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,680 But you go forward like they're playing Colorado State and UConn 447 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,280 in the non conference in 26. They've got they've. 448 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,880 Notre Dame in 28 right or 2030? Name is in 30 and 31. 449 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Joe. You will be middle-aged by the 450 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,880 time they play Notre. Dame, that's scary, That's 451 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,080 scary. It is frightening, but but the 452 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,640 way that the Big 10 schedules work is that there's a couple of 453 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,040 things. There's there's certain locked 454 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,800 in games that you're going to play every year. 455 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,520 So Indiana has two of those. They play Purdue every year, 456 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,960 They play Michigan State every year because those are protected 457 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,160 rivalry games. Some teams have more than two, 458 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:46,800 some teams only have one, but Indiana has those two and then 459 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,720 they've got one year. Like this year for Indiana, you 460 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,480 play 5 home games and four Rd. games in the conference, and 461 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,320 then it flips the following year where you play 4 road games and 462 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,560 five home games. And so you know what Indiana's 463 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,120 doing next year is there. I'll just show you the schedule. 464 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,840 What you know why? Why just why talk about it when 465 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,800 we could actually demonstrate it? 466 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,280 This is what Indiana's doing next year. 467 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,400 So Old Dominion, Kennesaw State, Indiana State, then they've got 468 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,240 that. This is not an order, but it's a 469 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,080 tougher schedule than this year. You got to go to Penn State, you 470 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,440 got to go to Oregon, you got to go to Maryland, you got to go to 471 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,760 Iowa, you get Illinois, Michigan State, UCLA and Wisconsin at 472 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,080 home, and you got to go to Purdue. 473 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:28,160 We know that game is going to be at the end of the season. 474 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,360 It's not as bad. There's no Ohio State on the 475 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,440 schedule next year. There's no Michigan on the 476 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,040 schedule next year. You do get Penn State back in 477 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Happy Valley and you got to go to Oregon. 478 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840 But the rest of the schedule is is frankly somewhat manageable. 479 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,360 And so you know what they do across the board, they have been 480 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,880 trying to rotate the road matchups for teams against PAC 481 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,480 12 or former PAC 12 competition. So like this year, Indiana was 482 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,880 at UCLA and then they play Washington at home. 483 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,640 Next year, they're going to go to Oregon, but they get UCLA at 484 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,360 home. The year after that, they go to 485 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,600 Washington and I think they get USC at home. 486 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840 And then they flip that in the following year. 487 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,800 Now, this is assuming they're not going to add any more teams 488 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,440 to the Big 10, but this is essentially how the scheduling 489 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480 process goes. So hopefully that's helpful to 490 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 you, Nick, and anybody else that was curious how all that stuff 491 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480 works. So anyway, any final thoughts on 492 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,360 the CFP stuff guys before we jump back in time and talk about 493 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,840 the Michigan State game this weekend? 494 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,800 No, I just think it'll be exciting to kind of track the 495 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,560 next couple weeks, see how things go, especially after this 496 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,560 week, you know, how much motion is there off a win, how much you 497 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,480 know? I mean, like you said, look at 498 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,720 the schedule remaining for some of those already ranked teams 499 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,280 that are within that top 12 and how that's going to shape out. 500 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,640 It'll be fun. It will be fun. 501 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,080 And you know what else was fun? Indiana waxing Michigan State 502 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,720 and East Lansing this past weekend. 503 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,480 Let's hear what Curt Signetti had to say on that game. 504 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,120 I like the way we. Responded when we were down 10. 505 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:59,800 Nothing in the first quarter. Guys kept their poise, kept 506 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,200 playing, no frustration and picked up a couple turnovers 507 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,560 there defensively in the second quarter which were key. 508 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,160 Scored 47 straight points and really dominated line scrimmage 509 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,000 up front on defense. 7 sacks, 15 tackles for loss. 510 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,200 Made some big plays in the punt return game. 511 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,040 Blocked the punt, forced a muff which also led to a touchdown. 512 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,840 Had a couple big returns and also got a deflection at the end 513 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,440 of the game on a punt. It was a tremendous game 514 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,840 defensively for Indiana. I mean, just up and down the 515 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,880 board that that rough start. Although, yeah, you go back and 516 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,720 watch the highlights, Joe and and Michigan State made some out 517 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,320 of their mind plays on those first couple of drives, which I 518 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,160 think we just assumed that was going to happen the whole game. 519 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,120 But Indiana buckled down, and the last 3/4 of that game, the 520 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,960 defense, the defensive line especially, was just a group of 521 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,280 monsters against the Spartan squad. 522 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,840 Yeah, I have never seen a conference game have that 523 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,840 drastic of a difference between grunts like dominating like 524 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000 that. 15 tackles for loss. They were just living in the 525 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,800 backfield. It it wasn't even like the 526 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Spartan offensive line was just opening up immediately. 527 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,920 Michael Kamara, 4 1/2 tackles for loss, 2 1/2 sacks. 528 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,560 Michigan State had -36 rushing yards at the end of the game, 529 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,000 they lost 93 yards. They had gained like 60 530 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,360 something and whatever the math is and lost 93 on the game. 531 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,640 That is ridiculous. Just to just to show what they 532 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,520 did defensively and then the response to offensively, you 533 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,000 know, you're down 10. Oh, this is the big drive right 534 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,960 there. They orchestrate long drive down 535 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,160 the field. Zach Horton gets the score and 536 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,360 then defense turn around and turns around and gets an 537 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,280 interception. That's when they started to see 538 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,800 that things start to click correctly. 539 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,760 It was really interesting. I mean, we tried to ask every 540 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,600 player in the availability. I think we got, you know, Aidan 541 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,560 Fisher was there, Curtis Rourke, Mikhail Kamara, but I think 542 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,760 Elijah Sarat was also there. There were four guys that talked 543 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,120 and we were all like, hey, what was that message? 544 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,520 You're down 10. Oh, I was like, ah, nothing 545 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,720 really like stick to our game. And obviously with Signetti on 546 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Saturday as well, he was like, now you guys know what it what 547 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760 it happens when we trail a game. The sample size for IU trailing 548 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 in the game is 47 straight points. 549 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,520 That's crazy. I wrapping my head around that 550 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,480 is crazy. This team at on both sides. 551 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,000 The all three levels are fantastic. 552 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,880 Like the fact that at all three levels they are top 10 553 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,160 categories. I mean, they haven't missed an 554 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,680 extra point, have missed a field goal. 555 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,000 Nicholas Radicich has been great at his spot, hasn't really been 556 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,800 challenged all that much for long field goals. 557 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,800 But I mean, consistency is key, right? 558 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,440 Aiden Fisher had some talk about the process and and how they 559 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,600 process these things. We heard from him after the 560 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,400 game. It's huge. 561 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,360 You know, you're down by 10 or you're up by 37 at the end of 562 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,200 the game. He's the same guy. 563 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,360 And that guy speaks volumes to your team. 564 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,360 So no matter what, you don't need to get too high. 565 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,560 You don't need to get too low. I stay right in that middle and 566 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,080 you know, be consistent within your work and each play is new 567 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520 so no need to hang your head or praise yourself for a play 568 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,520 before. Yeah, Zach, a big contrast to 569 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,640 what Indiana's had the last few years versus this year. 570 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,400 I mean, it's very even keeled. It's very level. 571 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,840 It's not ramped up. Like let's get all excited. 572 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,640 And it's interesting 'cause, you know, watch, you watch this team 573 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,680 and you watch the way they execute down the stretch and the 574 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040 way it builds and builds. And I heard like on every day 575 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,040 Should be Saturday or on the shutdown full cast, you know, 576 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,440 the Spencer Halls podcast, like they're talking about like 577 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,400 Indiana's just constantly cashing checks, like they're 578 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,000 constantly putting pressure on you. 579 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,600 And that causes your offense to do things that it doesn't want 580 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,480 to do because it has to try to keep up. 581 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,080 And you could see Michigan State getting caught in that quicksand 582 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,400 as the second quarter, third quarter went on and they just 583 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,440 they couldn't do anything about it. 584 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,040 Like it was really remarkable. And you know, we've seen Indiana 585 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,480 do this now multiple times this season, but it was it was really 586 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,960 the first time in a hostile Rd. environment with 50,060 thousand 587 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,160 opposing fans that Indiana did it. 588 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440 And they looked better than, you know, even in some of the home 589 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,080 games they've had so far this season doing. 590 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,800 That's the crazy part. We've talked about Indiana 591 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,440 season long dominance and outside of the Nebraska game, 592 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,080 this might be the most dominant Indiana look despite trailing 593 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,600 for the first time. I mean, 47 straight points 594 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,440 unanswered against any team, let alone a power conference team, a 595 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Big 10 team on the road is spectacular. 596 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,760 And it's just talks about the complimentary football that this 597 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,200 team plays. Joe talked about the fact that 598 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280 all three phases were able to dominate on Saturday against the 599 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,680 Spartans and it's what they've echoed all season long. 600 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,440 When the defense gets to stop, the offense is there to 601 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,840 contribute there and convert those turnovers into points. 602 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,600 The defense gets an interception, The offense their 603 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,040 scores. The defense maybe gives up 10 604 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,560 first quarter points. The offense scores 47 in the 605 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,720 final 3/4. The offense struggles early on. 606 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,440 The defense kind of limits the damage because as you mentioned, 607 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,960 that was a special start from Michigan State. 608 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,000 Aidan Child showed some really good things in that first 609 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,760 quarter, but the defense only limited limited them 210 points. 610 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,720 That touchdown was great from Childs, that touchdown pass, but 611 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,000 holding them to a field goal on that first over the game, that's 612 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,440 a big play with the defense, especially when the offense 613 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,240 started out with two straight 3 and outs. 614 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,040 So it's just a complimentary football. 615 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,000 It's Curtis Work coming back from his injury had surgery less 616 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240 than two weeks prior to that game and you wouldn't have known 617 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,920 it. You didn't look like a 263 618 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,600 yards, 4 touchdowns of the day for him. 619 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,240 And it's the weapons, the amount of weapons you look at Aiden 620 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Fisher, his linebacking partner doesn't get talked talked about 621 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,000 enough. Jalen Walker, the stuff he does 622 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,560 not only in the past rush, not only stopping the run, but in 623 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,400 the pass coverage game as well. Offensively, Curtis works, 624 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,960 throwing to four different guys that could start at pretty much 625 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,200 any other Big 10 school outside at the receiver position. 626 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,400 The running backs, the trio of running backs really that 627 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,600 Indiana uses are all talented. They could all rush for 1000 628 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,960 yards in a single season if they were that single workhorse back. 629 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,200 It's just the talent is there in Indiana and credit the coaching 630 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840 staff to be able to put that talent and put those players in 631 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,200 the right positions to make those plays and to succeed. 632 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,560 There's a question from Matt Ull which I think is an interesting 633 00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,680 1. And I'm curious your guys's 634 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,800 take. Is there momentum or or is there 635 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,840 evidence that each of the units is still improving and maturing 636 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,080 here in November? Do you think IU has yet to play 637 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,840 their best complete game? Joe, let me start you with that 638 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,760 one. It's interesting because you 639 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,080 look at that Michigan State game and you can almost say to that 640 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,440 point, but again, they're down 10 O after the first quarter. 641 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,320 So that's not a complete game. They were trailing and they 642 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,360 still, you know, held them to 0 yards in the fourth quarter, 643 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560 scored 47 unanswered. Curtis Swork had four 644 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,240 touchdowns. They had over 100 yards on the 645 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,480 ground. It's hard to tell like where the 646 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000 the the points are. That's like, hey, this needs 647 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,520 improving because does the defensive line have that kind of 648 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400 performance moving forward? I think that's tough to 649 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,280 replicate something like that. I think they need to be 650 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120 disruptive. They need to get in the 651 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,920 backfield, have two to three sacks. 652 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560 I mean, they have 31 sacks on the year. 653 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,360 They're top echelon in the country just from those numbers 654 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,000 alone. That was something very 655 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,600 interesting. I was looking at just diving 656 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,760 into some of the national stats and they are top ten in lots of 657 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,760 major important categories like third down, conversion 658 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600 percentage, red zone touchdowns. They're first in the country in 659 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,960 red in touchdowns in general. They're averaging the second 660 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000 most points per game. They are allowing the 7th fewest 661 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920 points per game, allowing the third fewest yards per game. 662 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,240 They're top ten in yards per game. 663 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,520 Like looking at that at week 3 can be one thing when it's non 664 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,920 con in UCLA, but now it's week 9. 665 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840 This has been real for nine straight weeks. 666 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,880 So it it's hard to see how much better they can get because 667 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,040 we're probably seeing like maybe not the peak because maybe it 668 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,600 that Ohio State game is really going to be can they put 669 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,080 together a complete game against a top caliber opponent? 670 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,640 And that's going to be an interesting one. 671 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,960 I know I don't want to overlook this Michigan game, but that's a 672 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,840 game that Ohio State, if Indiana comes in 10 and O Ohio State 673 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,240 nine and one Ohio State has that now circled knowing that Indiana 674 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,640 wants to be the guys that belong with the big boys and Ohio State 675 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560 as his blue blood big boy doesn't want that to happen. 676 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,960 So definitely a lot of eyes will the eyes of the country be on 677 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,440 that game? But regardless to that question, 678 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840 I it's hard to tell whether they can play much better. 679 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,560 But like just bowling from the start of the season from now, 680 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,280 but there has been development like FIU, there were things here 681 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,440 and there, but that Michigan State. 682 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Zach, let me we'll stop the Michigan State conversation with 683 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,840 the following. Mikael Camaro wins 2 National 684 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,400 Defensive Player of the Year of the Week awards, the the Walter 685 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,080 Camp Award and the Benaric Award, but doesn't win Big 10 686 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,800 Defensive Player of the Week award. 687 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,200 Can you explain this to me? I'm just a simple brain. 688 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,480 I don't quite understand it. I don't know how it works either 689 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,880 because to me, 2 1/2 sacks, 4 1/2 tackles for a loss is not 690 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,360 only worthy of national player of the week like he like he got, 691 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,000 rightfully so, but Big 10 player of the week as well. 692 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840 And it wasn't even just the fact that he got that kind of 693 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,560 production. Obviously the counting stats, 694 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,040 the sacks, the taxes for loss, those are one thing. 695 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920 But the Pro Football Focus numbers, the advanced numbers, 696 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,640 they love Mikhail Kamara. They love him. 697 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,719 The QB hurries, the pressures, the win rate at the line on pass 698 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,960 plays. They all love Mikhail Kamara. 699 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,880 And it's like he's dominating everybody, whether it's a 700 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,000 Michigan State offensive lineman, Nebraska, who 701 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,920 notoriously has pretty good offensive lines, dominating 702 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Nebraska, too. No matter who it is, he's been 703 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,040 fantastic. And to go back to that last 704 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,159 question about what in the end has really improved on the most 705 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,760 this season, I was digging into the turnover numbers earlier 706 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,320 this week into the first three games this season. 707 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,080 The first 3 Big 10 games this season, Indiana was -2 in the 708 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,800 turnover margin through the 1st 3 Big 10 games of the season. 709 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,639 The most recent three Big 10 games, NAMS plus 7, stark, stark 710 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,800 difference there. So the turnovers, they've been 711 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,960 able to create more, but they've also been able to limit their 712 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,120 own a little bit more. I remember back after the 713 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,760 Northwestern game where people were ready to throw the defense 714 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,000 away and we're like, well, the defense is holding this team 715 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,560 back and wow, have they stepped up over the course of the last 716 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,960 few games. It's been really, really 717 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,600 impressive to see Indiana we beats Michigan State, the third 718 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,440 straight win in East Lansing for IU in a series that that does 719 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,080 not happen. Like Indiana is so far behind in 720 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,600 Michigan State in the all time series between these two teams. 721 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,640 It's not even funny. But that's a nice little streak 722 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,600 that Indiana's got going up there in East Lansing. 723 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,160 They now play the other team from Michigan, the Michigan 724 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,720 Wolverines, who are not having a great season. 725 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,120 They come off a national championship win last year, and 726 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,960 they have struggled, particularly on offense. 727 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,920 Let's hear what Kurt Signetti has to say about the Wolverines. 728 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,880 I mean, I, I look at them and I, and I see a really good defense, 729 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:44,480 really good special teams and you know, offensively they, you 730 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,800 know, they haven't scored points. 731 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:54,000 They're not in the 40s and 50s, but you know, they can run the 732 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,760 ball from 11:12 and 13 personnel. 733 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560 They've got weapons, they've got good backs, they got good 734 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,640 players and they're they're good football team coming in here 735 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,000 with a lot of tradition, a lot of history, a lot of pride. 736 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,720 He kind of nailed it. Very concise and accurate 737 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,120 description of Michigan. This is a team that, if you look 738 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,080 at what they've done so far this season, they have been pretty 739 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,720 similar in terms of results to some of the other teams that 740 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,080 Indiana's played so far this year. 741 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,840 I, I mean, I've lumped them in with Michigan State. 742 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,160 I've lumped them in with Washington. 743 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,720 I've lumped them in with, you know, Nebraska to some degree. 744 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,400 They're a team that has really struggled to score and they're 745 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,600 only averaging 21 points per game. 746 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,720 You look at their overall record, their wins are against 747 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:49,320 Fresno State, Arkansas State, USC by three, Minnesota by three 748 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,320 and Michigan State by 7. They, they have won games, all 749 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,000 those games that they won have been at home and they have 750 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,280 struggled even in those games to put a lot of points on the 751 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,800 board. Their losses so far on the 752 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,440 season, they lose at home to Texas. 753 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,800 No, no shame there. Certainly they lose at 754 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,320 Washington 2717. They lose at Illinois 21, seven, 755 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,600 a loss that looks less respectable by the week. 756 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,800 And then of course, they lose at home this past weekend to Oregon 757 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,720 in a game that they were a little more competitive Joe, 758 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,080 that I think maybe people thought they might be, but they 759 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,280 still lost that game 38 to 17. I mean, when you think about 760 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,440 this Michigan team, they've been, you know, the dominant 761 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440 storyline's kind of been their inability to settle on a 762 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,640 quarterback. You know, Alex Orgy's played 763 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720 eight games. Davis Warren's played five. 764 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,320 Jack Tuttle started a game and then retired due to injuries. 765 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,520 Their their quarterbacks are only averaging a a completion 766 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,360 percentage of 61%. They've thrown 10 touchdowns, 9 767 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,120 interceptions. Their offense is just not looked 768 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,400 great, especially compared to what we saw last year. 769 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,400 Yeah, this is this is an interesting situation for 770 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,400 Michigan because it very clearly on paper and everything from the 771 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,600 eye test. This is not last year's Michigan 772 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,680 Wolverines team. That team last year was very 773 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,920 much set up to make the run. That was the team that Michigan 774 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,880 was so desperately waiting for for so long. 775 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,200 Big credit there for Jim Harbaugh and obviously the 776 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560 amount of draft picks they had, the amount of seniors that they 777 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,040 lost, that's hard to replace, especially when they just 778 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,000 brought an inside hire rather than going and trying to. 779 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,280 Obviously that was the plan with coach Sharon Moore. 780 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,280 They didn't replenish as well as possible. 781 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,400 And I think they're they're having a bit of that hangover 782 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080 from a national championship and that's going to happen, 783 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,560 especially when they didn't really reload to the abilities 784 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,680 that they, you know, some Alabama's and Georgia's have in 785 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,720 in the past. This is an interesting game 786 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,440 right now because I, I know I'm looking purely on stats. 787 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,560 Indiana's allowing 72 yards on the ground, a game that is the 788 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480 fewest in the country by over 10 yards per game. 789 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,760 Obviously Michigan is a very ground dominant team. 790 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,600 They're not running the ball as well this year. 791 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,760 Obviously Donovan Edwards has really not been what he's been 792 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,640 up to speed, injured here and there. 793 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,440 And in the quarterback situation, they can't really 794 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,440 pass the ball. So this is just if Michigan 795 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040 wants to make this a game, they got to get the ball 1st and they 796 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,160 got to have a painfully slow like 8 minute drive where 797 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,840 they're eating some clock running the ball. 798 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,880 The 1518 plays really punch Indiana in the mouth and get 799 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,160 them all out of rhythm. Otherwise this is not a Michigan 800 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,760 team that's going to be able to play catch up. 801 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,280 If Indiana goes down and takes 3 minutes and scores, they might 802 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,520 be in for a long day because they just don't have the town on 803 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,680 the outside. The quarterback is still I mean 804 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,000 Davis Warren started the past two. 805 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,040 He better than what was what Michigan quarterbacks have been 806 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,920 showing. But I don't know. 807 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,440 I this is nowhere near the Michigan team they were last 808 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,400 year. I think they're solid and then 809 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,800 they're they realistically might end this year six and six and 810 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,600 squeak into the Detroit Bowl. But we'll see. 811 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,160 We'll see. That's Michigan. 812 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,920 They get to a better bowl, I think. 813 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,240 But now, Zach, it's. It's a team that they've tried 814 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,240 to hang their hat on some of the old school things that work in 815 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,120 football. They they, they focused on their 816 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,080 defense and their defense has been pretty good. 817 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,520 They focused on their running game. 818 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,640 Carl Mullings averaging over 5, almost 5 1/2 yards to carry 7 819 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,280 touchdowns, 710 yards through nine games. 820 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,040 Donovan Edwards's rush for almost 500 yards. 821 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,880 Like they really have had to keep it on the ground. 822 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,040 So to some degree, a big question in this one is how does 823 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,920 Indiana's defensive front match up against Michigan's offensive 824 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,400 line? Normally you'd be like, oh, 825 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,880 that's a problem because Michigan's offensive lines are 826 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,360 already always incredible. And yet you look at the way that 827 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080 this Indiana defensive line is pieced together, especially in 828 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,560 the interior with West and Carpenter, and you've got the, 829 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,680 you know, the guys on the edges that are doing their thing. 830 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,280 And it's like, well, you know, if I was going to pick an 831 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,720 Indiana defensive line to match up against the Michigan 832 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,120 offensive line, particularly in the run game, looking at that 833 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,000 Michigan State game as evidence, it's like, I feel fairly good 834 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,440 about where we're heading in this one. 835 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,680 You're exactly right. And the best part about that for 836 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,880 Indiana heading into this game, it's not just going to be the 837 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,520 front 4, the front guys on the defensive line trying to stop 838 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,920 the run game because Indiana doesn't have to worry about a 839 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,920 passing attack. So they can put eight guys in 840 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,920 the box and let D Angelo Pons and Jamir Johnson cover guys 841 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,520 one-on-one on the outside because Davis, Warren and really 842 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,840 any Michigan quarterback so far this season has not been able to 843 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,920 throw the ball. They just can't do it, at least 844 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,400 with any consistency. So I think that's where the 845 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,160 biggest problem kind of gets going for Michigan is that teams 846 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,160 don't have to just try and match up one-on-one with the offensive 847 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,520 line, which is still good for Michigan. 848 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,840 It's still a good offensive line, but the offensive line is 849 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,720 not having to deal with four guys in the defensive front. 850 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,080 They're having to deal with the linebackers, the safety's coming 851 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,760 down and dropping into the box as well. 852 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,240 And I think with Indiana, especially with Aiden Fisher, 853 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,400 Jalen Walker, Sean Asbury, who's been great in the run support 854 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,520 game, he's a great tackler. It's a group of Indiana 855 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,560 defenders that they're all great tacklers. 856 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,720 They're all great in the run game. 857 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,760 So they're going to come down and disrupt those things down in 858 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,080 the trenches. So Indiana is going to have to 859 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560 force Michigan to try and pass. And up to this point in the 860 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,640 season, the Wolverines have really not shown an ability to 861 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,160 be able to beat anybody through the air. 862 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,600 So it's going to be interesting to see if Michigan kind of can 863 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,520 kind of break those tendencies and maybe get something going in 864 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,600 the air because they're going to need it. 865 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,680 I will say on the offensive side for Indiana, like going against, 866 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,800 you know, Michigan has always preached their very talented 867 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040 defense, big up front, good on the outsides. 868 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,400 But with Indiana, they I think having such a mature quarterback 869 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,240 with Curtis Schwartz that he knows the reads he wants to make 870 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,040 and he's so delayed on those RP OS. 871 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,840 And I think this is a chance to really punish what is glorified 872 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,000 as this top defensor has been in years past. 873 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,120 And I don't know, I I haven't liked the way Michigan has 874 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,080 looked this year. I know they had so much change, 875 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,480 but they just, it's been underwhelming. 876 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,000 They haven't looked great. I mean, some of it is just a 877 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,360 natural churn from winning a national title. 878 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,880 Some of it's the coaching turnover. 879 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:03,800 And I I think as much as Jim Harbaugh wears on people, it's 880 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,920 easy to forget he's a really good football coach and he 881 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,760 really knows what he's doing. And Sharon Moore was kind of the 882 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,960 emotional hire after Harbaugh left, especially with that whole 883 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,720 scene at Penn State last year where he's like crying on the 884 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,920 field. That is, you know, and, and it's 885 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,680 tough. We're we're seeing this across 886 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,160 the country. Like it's hard to succeed 887 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,240 coaches. We see this with Caleb Deboer, 888 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,840 who we know is a good coach. Even he's had trouble succeeding 889 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,640 Nick Saban. I can only imagine what Sharon 890 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,760 Moore's dealt with it, you know, but I do think it's important to 891 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,840 note as we look at the the bite sized bison preview numbers and 892 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,640 again, keep in mind green is good, purple is bad. 893 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,160 Indiana comes out looking really good statistically in this 894 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,160 matchup. Michigan is, you know, 895 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,920 offensively they're just not very good in terms of EPA per 896 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,240 play. They, they just don't get a lot 897 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,840 of expected points added on most of the plays that they run. 898 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,400 They're slightly better in the run. 899 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,240 They're pretty bad in the passing game. 900 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,440 You know, defensively Michigan has shown somewhat the ability 901 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,560 to stop the pass in the run. But Indiana is so good at both 902 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,720 of them. It's gonna really be fascinating 903 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,920 to see what exactly Michigan is able to do to try to slow down 904 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,960 this Indiana attack because they, you know, they they faced 905 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,720 the. The only offense that Michigan 906 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,120 has faced. I think you could argue that is 907 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,840 of the caliber of Indiana so far this season is Oregon, the team 908 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,000 that they just played at home. They did not fare well trying to 909 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,800 stop that attack. Now they got to go on the road 910 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,200 to an Indiana team that is really firing on all cylinders 911 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,440 right now and has shown like, OK, if you're Washington and 912 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,520 you're going to just shut down our passing game, yeah, we'll 913 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,800 just run the ball down your throat. 914 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,720 If you're Michigan State, you're like, we're going to shut down 915 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,280 your running game. Well, hey, that's fine. 916 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,720 We're just going to pass around. We're going to do reverses. 917 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,240 We're going to guide our guys into space. 918 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,000 I mean, it's a daunting task for most defenses, but especially 919 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,960 for this Michigan defense was just by the numbers hasn't been 920 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,600 that good so far this year. Zach. 921 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,400 Yeah, it's a Michigan defense. They've Got Talent, but it's not 922 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,280 necessarily the traditional talent at entire position 923 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,000 groups. I mean, you look at guys, Mason 924 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,040 Graham and Will Johnson, those guys are still going to be top 925 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,080 10 picks this upcoming season. Mason Graham hasn't had the best 926 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,800 season. Josiah Stewart's another great 927 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,560 defensive in that they have. But those are really individual 928 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,520 towns. It's not position group wide 929 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,960 towns and it's not a defensive wide talent that this Michigan 930 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,840 defense has. So I think that's really where 931 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,680 the depth of this Indiana offense comes into play. 932 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,920 You're talking about that receiving core. 933 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,440 You mentioned Will Johnson. Will Johnson can take one ride 934 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,120 receiver out, but he can't guard more than one. 935 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,240 And you've got maybe Elijah Surat, he'll be matched up 936 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,720 against this weekend. But when you look at Miles 937 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,920 Price, Miles Cross, there's just so many guys and so many 938 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,520 different names in this India in their receiving corps where Will 939 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,720 Johnson can't do it all by himself. 940 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,920 So it's going to be the third, the 4th quarterbacks in that 941 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,760 secondary for Michigan that are really going to be tasked 942 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,000 against Curtis work in this offense. 943 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,160 And then you look at that defensive line, Mason Graham, 944 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,960 Desiah Stewart, those guys maybe slightly better in the past rush 945 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,920 department rather than the run stopping department. 946 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,680 This Indian offensive line, again, there's been nobody that 947 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,600 has been able to stop them. A team that was much better 948 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,320 statistically on paper, at least from a defensive standpoint. 949 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,360 Nebraska, we saw what Indiana's offensive line did against that 950 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,560 Nebraska defensive line. So I would agree that Michigan's 951 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,720 defense is going to be searching for answers this Saturday. 952 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,800 Yeah. And Joe, this is one of those 953 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,920 games where if you just look at it on paper and you look at 954 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120 where the two teams have played and you look at the statistics 955 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,240 that have been accrued, it's like, well, no brainer. 956 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,240 That's why Indiana's a 14 point favorite. 957 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,400 And yet there's a psychological barrier when it comes to 958 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,960 Michigan. This is a team that has had 959 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,880 Indiana's number for 50 plus years. 960 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,480 Indiana's won twice against Michigan since 1967. 961 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,320 This is the first time Indiana's been favored against Michigan 962 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,000 since 1968. You know, even in seasons when 963 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 Michigan hasn't been good, Indiana hasn't been able to 964 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,120 figure out a out a way to topple them and and it's a huge game, 965 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,840 you know, and you take Michigan aside and say, well, that's a 966 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,360 tough one because Indiana rarely ever beats Michigan. 967 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,960 But then you also add in all the other things. 968 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,680 You've got the chance to go 10 and O win 10 games for the first 969 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,640 time in school history. The chance to, I'm not going to 970 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,120 say sew up a College Football Playoff berth, but certainly at 971 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,080 10 and O with Purdue still on your schedule, you got to feel 972 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,760 pretty confident about your chances. 973 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,520 I mean, there's so much in this game. 974 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,480 You got all these recruits coming in, you know, reports 975 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,840 Julian Lewis might be coming. You got other recruits that are 976 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,120 coming. It's a huge day. 977 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160 Just in general, another sellout in Memorial Stadium. 978 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,040 And this is where it's like you want to trust the team, you want 979 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,040 to trust the coaches. But as a fan or as an observer 980 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,440 of Indiana football, there's that thing in the back of your 981 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,080 head where it's like this is a game that normally Indiana 982 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,520 hasn't been able to historically win. 983 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,920 However, we could say that about pretty much all the games 984 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,840 Indiana has won since the Charlotte game. 985 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,400 So maybe we need to just not worry about that at all. 986 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,760 But it is something that is right there in the forefront of 987 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,480 a lot of people's minds in the fan base. 988 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,760 I mean, obviously that is the number one storyline regarding 989 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,040 this team is hey, this is the losingest football team, college 990 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,680 football team of all time. first US 700 losses, everything like 991 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,240 that. And here comes old Kurt Signetti 992 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,680 trying to spark some side type of culture into that through 9 993 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640 weeks. I I, it's almost at the point 994 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:27,600 where this game right here, they can throw away 75 years of bad 995 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,080 if they go 10 and O and you can almost disregard any Indiana 996 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,040 history questions because they are now 10 and O. 997 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,640 And right right now they've almost been able to do that 998 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,960 considering they're nine and O. But this is the one where it's 999 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,560 like now the College Football Playoff ranking is official now. 1000 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,040 It's like this dream has become a reality. 1001 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,160 If they're able to play within themselves. 1002 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,720 I honestly think in these last three games, the biggest 1003 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,920 opponent that Indiana will have is themselves. 1004 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,280 They can play 2 Ohio State's level. 1005 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,840 I truly believe that simply from the eye test of both teams and 1006 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,800 also just the numbers that Indiana's putting up regardless 1007 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,520 of opponent, that is teams that only like the top of the top are 1008 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,120 able to do on both sides of the ball. 1009 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,200 It's you go back through the past national championship 1010 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,400 winners, the the teams that were making the play offs, the teams 1011 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,880 that were right on the outside. That is what the numbers Indiana 1012 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,840 is putting up through 9 weeks. And I don't think that's 1013 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,160 something that should be overlooked. 1014 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,240 I know football there's a lot of external factors regardless than 1015 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,920 just the stat sheet, but they've passed the eye test. 1016 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,480 I mean you, you the biggest thing going into last was what 1017 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,880 will happen when this team trails. 1018 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,080 They trail and put up 47 unanswered. 1019 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,040 That's what happens when they trail. 1020 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,360 They put the foot on foot on the gas and just keep going it. 1021 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,760 It has been an extremely impressive to watch this team 1022 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,080 and they're getting the national recognition they deserve. 1023 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,120 The name brand isn't quite there, so who knows what happens 1024 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,160 if they beat Michigan and whether they go up or down. 1025 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,440 But this team is real. I think the fans should rally 1026 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,760 around that. I mean, this is the real estate 1027 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,480 thing that Indiana football has probably ever had. 1028 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,880 Not to throw shade, but I mean. It's fair. 1029 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,800 It's you're probably right. It's just weird to think about. 1030 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,760 But yeah, no, ultimately it's just it's a it's an immense game 1031 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,320 and and it's going to be fascinating to see how this 1032 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,400 Memorial Stadium crowd approaches this 330 game on CBS 1033 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,640 marquee match up. You're playing Michigan, 1034 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,280 probably. No, no, no question about 1035 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,760 getting up for this one. And it's going to be 1036 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,440 interesting. I mean, Zach, I'll let's let's 1037 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,560 close it out with this question. We had a a question coming in 1038 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,280 from trying to find it here, actually. 1039 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,920 Where did it go? Oh, here it is from Ryan Breach. 1040 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,960 Michigan has a highly rated defense, kind of according to 1041 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,320 the the traditional stats, yes. Do you see IU relying more on 1042 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,480 the run or the pass on Saturday? What would be your answer there 1043 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,280 and why? It's a tough question because 1044 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,400 this Indiana offense has been so balanced. 1045 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,920 I would say it's got to be a combination of both. 1046 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,360 If I had to choose one, it's probably going to be the run 1047 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,880 because I see Indiana getting up early in this game and well, 1048 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,280 yes, the passing attack and Curtis Works been spectacular. 1049 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,800 I mean, he's talked about on the outside of the Heisman 1050 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,280 discussion, which is crazy to think about after coming over 1051 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,720 from Ohio. But I think it's going to be the 1052 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,240 run just because that's going to be the thing that keeps that 1053 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,720 lead. If Indiana does get after that 1054 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,840 early, and if Indiana is able to come out, get that lead early 1055 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,440 on, then they can kind of just put that game away behind the 1056 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,280 running game and kind of put the game to rest and put that game 1057 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960 to bed by bleeding out the clock, just letting it go, 1058 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,120 pounding the ball down the throats of Michigan. 1059 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,200 And it's what we saw. Again, statistically speaking, 1060 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,400 this is a similar defense to Nebraska's of what we saw. 1061 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,680 And again, it was the run game that dominated the Cornhuskers 1062 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,640 in that game. It felt like almost in that 1063 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,440 Nebraska game that the Indian offensive line took it as a 1064 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,760 challenge amongst themselves to kind of show that dominance and 1065 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,400 assert their dominance. I think we see that again on 1066 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,680 Saturday against Michigan. I think that the run game will 1067 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,640 probably be leaned on a little bit more heavily to hold the 1068 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,520 lead. Maybe the passing game is relied 1069 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,800 upon to build the lead. But I think once Indiana, if 1070 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,440 they are able to get out to that comfortable 2 score lead, 1014, 1071 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,800 maybe even 17 point lead, I think it'll be the run game. 1072 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,200 That'll be the closing and the closer that brings the win home 1073 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,320 for Indiana. Yeah. 1074 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,240 The one thing I'm curious about, Joe, as I finish up with you 1075 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:21,320 here is how Michigan chooses to try to attack Indiana 1076 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,960 defensively. You know, do they? 1077 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,040 I could see Michigan saying we believe that we can overwhelm 1078 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480 this Indiana offensive line, even though that offensive line 1079 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,040 is played incredibly so far. And it's a dangerous game that 1080 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,280 Michigan has to engage in one way or the other because if they 1081 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,480 decide to jam up the run, Curtis Work's shown an ability to get 1082 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,720 the ball into space pretty easily and get to that second 1083 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,160 level defensively. If they choose to try to fall 1084 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,360 into pass coverage, well, they've Justice Ellison, Tyson 1085 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,200 Lot. And they've shown that they have 1086 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,360 the ability to run the ball, get a big chunks of yardage. 1087 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,520 So, you know, ultimately it's interesting because like if you 1088 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,960 look at S&P Plus, Michigan's 30th in the country. 1089 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,760 If you look at FPI, which doesn't really consider previous 1090 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:06,280 seasons, Michigan's only 46th in the country and Indiana is 10th. 1091 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,600 And so that's why Indiana's got a 78% chance of victory in this 1092 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,640 one. They're they're considered 1093 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,560 essentially a kind of almost a 3 1/2 to one favorite. 1094 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,680 It's really going to be interesting to see how Michigan 1095 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,120 comes out and tries to play this one. 1096 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,480 And I think Zach hit the nail on the head. 1097 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,320 If Indiana can get out and get a lead and start to control 1098 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,920 things, you really do put yourself in a position where 1099 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,800 Michigan, you know, may just not be able to respond because they 1100 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,680 haven't shown an ability to put points on the board so far this 1101 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,200 year. I was a little conflicted when 1102 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,360 going back and forth, is it the run or the pass they rely on 1103 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,400 more And I wanted to say the past just because of the 1104 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,000 Michigan tried and true is stop the run and force the pass. 1105 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:52,760 But with Michigan, I feel like they're confident in in the four 1106 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,120 down lineman that they have to be able to not allow Justice 1107 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,880 Ellison and Tyson Lawton to break into that second level to 1108 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,440 try and get some contact at the line of scrimmage. 1109 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,640 Force these 1-2 yard games, get them behind the sticks a little 1110 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,800 more. So I think the run game is going 1111 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,320 to be what Indiana relies on a little more, has some more of 1112 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,520 these run heavy packages because I don't know if Michigan's going 1113 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,480 to come out and try to defend the run as hard as they might 1114 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,640 because they do have the talent up front. 1115 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,840 Yeah, it's going to be interesting. 1116 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,440 We'll see what happens with the whole thing as we end up rolling 1117 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,920 into Saturday a lot. They did not rank Michigan in 1118 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480 the CFP. Thank you, Elliot, but a lot 1119 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,480 riding on this game for Indiana and certainly a chance to make a 1120 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,880 special season even more special as they move forward into the 1121 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,560 month of November, or as we are calling it on Crimson Cast Suck 1122 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,880 month, since these were the three teams, Michigan and Ohio 1123 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,360 State and Purdue, that Kurt Zignetti identified as sucking 1124 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,720 in its initial address for the IU fan base. 1125 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,280 We're getting the T-shirts made. OK? 1126 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,520 They should be out in about a week or so I would hope, but 1127 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,000 wait. What? 1128 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,800 What does the T-shirts say? They just say suck month. 1129 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,640 I mean, what else do they? Oh. 1130 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,160 My. That's great. 1131 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,760 Anyway, we'll go ahead and wrap things up, and I appreciate 1132 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,080 everybody for joining us here on this live Bison chat on Tuesday 1133 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,840 night or if you're listening afterwards, we certainly 1134 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,040 appreciate you joining us as well. 1135 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:22,280 Indiana 8th in the CFP poll, 9th in the seeding due to the way 1136 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,720 that they do the bracketing. A good spot for Indiana to be in 1137 00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:28,560 as they get ready for some incredibly consequential games 1138 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,680 here over the next four weeks of the college football season. 1139 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,560 Zac Brown and thank you for joining us once again on the 1140 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,080 show. We always appreciate you being 1141 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,160 here. We look forward to having you on 1142 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,520 the next time. Joe Cronin, thank you as well. 1143 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,240 Our thanks as always to the lovely Emily Fox, who was not 1144 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:45,680 pushing the buttons tonight but uploaded all the videos. 1145 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,040 So we appreciate all the work that she did in making things 1146 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,360 happen for all those folks. I'm Galen Clavio, thanks for 1147 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,760 joining us. You can catch Bison chat every 1148 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,480 Tuesday night here on the back Home network. 1149 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,000 Be sure to subscribe to the Back home Network YouTube channel as 1150 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,640 well as the Crimson cast sub stack. 1151 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,880 We will catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 1152 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:15,520 bison, stay never daunted, so on everybody still going. 1153 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,240 I'm not sure why it hasn't stopped yet.