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I'll leave you with this. 
What a, what is your favorite 

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uni in the big tent? 
It pains me to say as a guy with

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with some Michigan ties, the the
Spartan Throwbacks. 

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The the Magic Johnson ones, 
those are just really clean. 

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I've always liked them. 
I'm always shocked when they 

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throw out these weird black ones
and stuff. 

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I'm like, stick with those. 
You got it. 

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Don't the other thing, they did 
the sky like a script State via 

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the basketball on the side. 
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Yeah. 
Those those to me are great. 

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I like the the Illinois ones 
that you Mentioned as well. 

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I'm trying to think of some 
other ones off the top of my 

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head. 
But yeah, there have been a 

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number of fun ones over the last
few years. 

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Yeah, Northwestern had some good
looks for a little bit. 

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I'm trying to think of kind of 
going through the list right 

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here on my head. 
You know, I was got good colors,

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it seems to look better and 
football than in basketball. 

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I do, I will say, I like 
Michigan's had a solid look for 

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a while. 
I like kind of the, you know, 

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the look of the, the Fab Five 
team I will say I mean I'm 

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Obviously biased for as good as 
they've been produced kind of 

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and they have a great color 
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I feel like they could be doing 
more with their with their Unis.

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I've never liked the the Purdue 
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a train. 
And yeah, I'm very biased, but I

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appreciate a good UT. 
When I see it, it seems like, 

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Purdue could be doing more with 
what they have. 

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I'd agree with that front. 
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Iowa, like you said, where they 
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It seems like they would just 
have killer ones but it seems to

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be hit or miss. 
Yeah, I wish they would go back 

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in the 80s. 
They had that fun logo like the 

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Iowa and like, it was like a box
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of the eye or something. 
Like this is that they should go

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back to that, throw back a 
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I mean, this is as an Indiana 
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funny when they're like, hey, 
we're doing. 

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Yeah, seven Throwbacks here. 
It's like an astute eye. 

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You fan can notice that the I, 
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bit different but it basically 
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and that's what Penn State 
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I remember when they have 
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ago and I'm like the desexing 
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Aren't these throat but I'm sure
you know like you said the 

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diehards they can notice it. 
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Well. 
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with Washington the football 
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like they're one of the few 
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now, because everything they 
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So they're just like, they are 
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have nothing to go. 
That's true. 

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So let's, let's talk. 
Let's kind of go around the Big 

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Ten a little bit on. 
I you, I just did a podcast with

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probably be Tomorrow Tuesday, 
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but we were talking and he 
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just kind of didn't notice that 
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hasn't won a big 10 game in 
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So what's as somebody watches 
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going on with Indiana's? 
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or you know as an outsider. 
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The red, you know, flashing 
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Yeah, I think it's a little of 
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somebody on our staff where, you
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on Indiana. 
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I joked the the old like is it 
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Behold the great, the great 
sports radio talk, but yes, 

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they're not playing great. 
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I think the regression from from
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very frustrating if you're a 
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I mean, part of it is they lost,
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And for the losses are pretty, I
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respectable, you know, a loss is
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but, you know, you lose to 
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You lose to MSU on the road, 
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play Wisconsin. 
Who seems to be? 

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I think quietly is taking shape 
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All the craziness elsewhere will
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get to that. 
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And then Ohio State on the road 
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blow the game. 
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They should have won that game 
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time, I mean, you're playing 
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legitimately vying for a Big Ten
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Michigan state is maybe out of 
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three of those losses that are 
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the Big Ten hunt. 
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regressed but I do think the 
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of favors. 
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Obviously that Northwestern loss
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if you're trying to, you know, 
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and we'll see this week with 
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It looks like they got some 
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Coming up to close out things 
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Going to the postseason. 
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the next three weeks that's 
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you is, you know, going against 
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know I brought it up. 
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you here, but you look at 
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statistically similar to 
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And that, you know, they are led
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offensive numbers are just 
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But yet, you know, they had this
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atmosphere, you know, against 
Michigan State at home against 

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Ohio, State at home at Wisconsin
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And that is a, that's a 
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They did just lose to Purdue on 
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themselves pretty well. 
I mean, they went for and one in

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that stretch. 
What are you seeing that? 

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They're doing that Indiana isn't
I mean you know looking at the 

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numbers a little bit just at a 
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I mean you know the difference 
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point of possession at all those
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Indiana isn't so I guess that's,
you know, that's kind of a, you 

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know, node other scoring more 
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definitely has definitely 
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Whereas Indiana's has not been, 
what are you seeing? 

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Because Rutgers is a little bit 
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Indiana. 
Like very good defensively. 

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Just, not very good offensively 
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make it It run in a pretty rough
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I think that's a fair point 
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The one thing that I think 
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Rutgers just generally speaking 
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push to anoint them as like you 
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the red hot or unbeatable Bubba,
they're very, very tough to beat

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at home. 
I mean, I know they blew some 

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games back in November the, the 
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Thanksgiving games But they are 
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especially when they're hot and 
they get that place, you know, 

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firing up with all the fans. 
If they're, if they only played 

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at home, I think they might be 
like a top 15 team but they've 

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they beat Wisconsin on the road 
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So I'll give him credit, but 
otherwise they've been a mess on

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the road. 
So I think Rucker's people are 

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getting a little ahead of 
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They have an incredible run here
in February probably another 

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Enough to get them into the 
tournament if they sort of take 

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care of business here in the 
next couple weeks. 

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But Indiana. 
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Indiana fans, Pride themselves 
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not even saying it's a fan 
thing, I just record seems weird

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at home versus the road. 
They're really Divergent, but I 

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think it's been like you said, 
solid defense, they grind these 

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games out, they make it sloppy, 
and then they've had role 

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players step up, I'm already 
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obviously, Geo Baker. 
Harper are great players, that 

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have really been showing up 
almost every night, but I think 

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it's the role player guys for 
Rutgers that have made a 

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difference over the last couple 
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they they're making plays and I 
think that has been the 

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difference for the Scarlet 
Knights whereas Indiana. 

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I'm curious on some of your 
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I still feel like the backcourt.
It is kind of upward helping 

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down and as made some big 
mistakes here in the last couple

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of games. 
Ames. 

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But I think to me if I'm trying 
to you know point to one thing I

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think that's been the difference
at least in my eyes. 

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Yeah. 
I mean we'll come back to the 

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hit me up that Indiana question.
Again, you mentioned something 

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with the home court, know that I
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you're right, Rutgers is really 
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Having just played Ohio State's,
you know, they they have only 

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lost one game at home this year 
against Iowa, just two days ago.

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But they were, you know, they're
only lost one game at home. 

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They were undefeated going in. 
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But it's weird because I would 
say that I would put Ohio State,

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as maybe one of the most sterile
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like just I've not been to Value
City Arena, think it's Value 

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City Arena or whatever his name 
now, but not in there. 

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But just on TV, it looks 
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You know, they have that behind 
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They have tarps up, you know, 
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It's just, it looks like a, it 
looks an NBA arena where they're

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playing college games, doesn't 
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Same with Maryland, like those 
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environment. 
So I'm just curious your 

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thoughts on, you know, just, I 
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been, it's a huge Arena. 
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18,000 or something. 
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the program justifies, like both
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be a little better. 
If Reno's were a tad smaller. 

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know, with Sullinger and and all
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It gets really Rowdy, but they 
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because Ohio State's a good team
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Maryland, I had disagreed with a
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I think this year it's been that
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Ohio State front, I think that 
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intimidating as that, you know, 
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Illinois quietly. 
Is it really place for us to a 

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tough place to play back to 
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button, me I here's the thing as
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or six years. 
We've just played like garbage 

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in February and we fall down the
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know it's across different 
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players. 
So, you know, this is where it's

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tough, where, you know, on one 
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this is what I'm used to, but on
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know, Trace Jackson Davis wasn't
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it's like the same stuff 
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it's just, like, I don't know 
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That was different coaching 
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time. 
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just think that this is, you 
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Tres Jackson Davis, Is 
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had a couple of PODS where I 
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I wish you would have expanded 
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coaching staff and just had a 
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shot but he doesn't and so it 
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game situations. 
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look at Indiana, you know, the 
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Like I said this before, you 
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very easily been a pretty win, 
but you look at like our season,

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you know, the Syracuse game at 
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I II put Iowa in there. 
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most the time, you know, the 
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this game against Ohio State, we
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where we just couldn't execute 
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execute down to execute the 
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option is a post player who is 
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get the ball. 
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absolving anybody. 
Like there's been some bizarre 

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coaching decisions I haven't 
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is trying his ass off on defense
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on my Johnny Davis types. 
Like why are we doing that? 

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And then weird sleeping patterns
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So it's likes me blame goes all 
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that's kind of a scatter shot of
where an IU fan looks at this 

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team. 
Yeah, I can see that it reminds 

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me a little bit of Iowa, a few 
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but they were like top five or 
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they lost like almost every game
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like what on Earth is going on 
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to We'll get stuff for yes, the 
schedule is always tough but I 

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don't I don't think it's just 
the schedule like we were 

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talking about earlier. 
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here, I think is probably more 
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do with Indiana just because of 
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But yeah it seems like they've 
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think you could argue maybe that
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offense is too overly. 
Reliant on one guy to create 

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shots. 
They don't have enough. 

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option, and teams sort of get 
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Especially in the Big Ten where 
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the league has. 
I think that's an interesting 

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argument and I'd like to say 
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together here over the next 
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because if they win the next 
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they'll be in fine shape. 
They'll get into the current 

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tournament comfortably and then 
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But yeah. 
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to Maryland it's hit the hit the
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and I also I also think that you
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unfortunately a recurring 
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You know Rob fennessy has just 
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I just injury issues and it 
sucks like I hate it. 

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I hate to see kids in college, 
not be able to play based on 

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injuries and it's kind of just, 
you know, it's weird stuff. 

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just like he's been out for a 
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And he just kind of has that 
snake bit unfortunate ability 

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but it's it really hurts because
even though he's not putting up,

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always the best numbers and, you
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you know, he's been a 
frustrating player in that 

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respect where there's like 
untapped potential. 

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said, like we this is a team 
that really needs a backup point

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guard. 
And just somebody else who could

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take some of that because then 
you just your kind of 

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overloading Xavier Johnson, and 
he kind of it's just a little 

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bit too much. 
Load for him. 

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Not a bad way. 
It's just he's he's running 

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tired and he ends up trying to 
do too much and there's like no 

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secondary ball-handler and that 
screws up its kind of just like 

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The Dominoes fall from there and
it's tough when one guy is that 

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important but I really think 
that the Rob fennessy injury 

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really sets a series of dominoes
that highlights one of this 

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team's massive weaknesses which 
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of you know, good good 
substitution pattern control 

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with, you know, who's going to 
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ball. 
Angela, I think that's hilarious

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because I think I had two or 
three years in a row, where my 

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season preview was all about 
fantasy and about how it was The

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X Factor. 
And, you know, if you figured it

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out Indiana's, going to be 
awesome. 

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And I finally got to the point 
where I'm like, yeah, I think he

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just kind of is what he is. 
It's unfortunate because man, 

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when he's playing well, he's a 
really good player in Indiana's 

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really dangerous. 
But it's just doesn't seem like,

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he, whatever. 
Like you said, it injury issue 

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or a rough stretch. 
It doesn't seem like he has the 

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Consistency and submitted 
unfortunate. 

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Know, it sucks. 
And if you look at his game log,

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like imma pull him up real 
quick. 

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There's fantasy, you know, like 
his first his freshman year he 

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has that big shot against Butler
and you're like, oh here we go. 

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And then he injured himself the 
next week in their next game 

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against Central Arkansas. 
He doesn't play for three games 

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then he's kind of, you know, he 
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quite come back that year kind 
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end of the year. 
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starts off playing pretty good 
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Four out of five games in 
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of get his stride last year. 
He played pretty good, didn't 

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have any injury, misses but also
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And then again this year, you 
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slow and doesn't play for three 
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That kind of gets together then 
it's like he has the Purdue game

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and we're like, all right, that 
not that, we're expecting that 

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every game but it's like he 
might have unlocked a little bit

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and then immediately gets 
injured, two games later doesn't

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play, it's like his Here is, 
unfortunately this like he gets 

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a high and then immediately like
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because he gets injured which 
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Like I just I hate seeing that. 
Yeah, I mean it's been his 

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often. 
It really does feel like one of 

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the great what if careers the 
last couple years and he still 

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has time, you know, hopefully he
figures it all out, but yeah. 

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It's been tough. 
It's been tough. 

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The last couple years. 
Yeah. 

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But, no, you're right. 
I do think we can get off of IU 

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here in a sec, but I do think 
that If we win our next three 

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games, you know, we're probably 
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I think that's enough to get us 
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Big Ten. 
Tournament would be nice. 

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But yeah, I think we're still in
good good standing, but we gotta

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win. 
We gotta win those three games. 

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I will bring you into this 
question. 

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We had a podcast last week, with
Ryan Phillips from assembly 

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called where he's been saying 
all season that if Indiana does 

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not make the tournament that is,
that is catastrophic, I feel 

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like we have to make the 
tournament my argument with him 

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in the podcast, which is kind of
a fun argument in the end. 

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I agreed that you know we 
probably need to make the 

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tournament as the most important
thing. 

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But I did say that you know, and
I'm not going to go through the 

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rehash everything here. 
But my my point was I also think

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it's very important that you 
know, or it's not also not good.

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That we're looking pretty much a
trace Jackson. 

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Davis is not going to be drafted
in the NBA and that, you know, 

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Mike Woodson's big pitch coming 
into. 

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To college was, you know, he 
knows the MBA system, he knows 

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what it takes. 
And that's exactly what he said,

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how he talked race to come back 
as I'm going to get you to be an

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NBA player and basically Trace 
is playing the same way he did 

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last year just a little bit 
better. 

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I mean a little I don't mean 
another he's playing better but 

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he's doing the same things in 
the post and post defense is 

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doing them better but it isn't 
you know, it's not showing it in

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be a scouting lists. 
And, you know, my argument was 

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you look I know last year, Luca 
Garza won the MVP of the Big Ten

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wasn't drafted super high like I
Understand, there's guys in 

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college who do things that the 
NBA doesn't want, but it's like 

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at least, you know, Fran 
mccaffery can sell it. 

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Consistent program that I can 
also get you in the tournament. 

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Like, Kofi Coburn is not going 
to be drafted High not because 

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he's not good. 
Just because again the NBA game 

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is different than college. 
But if your bread under where 

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it's like, hey man you can play 
here and you can also compete 

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for a Big Ten title. 
My point is I think it's going 

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to be very tough compete. 
You know, you're going to get 

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some pretty bad recruit your 
recruiting against Indiana by 

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other teams. 
Saying look, man, my What's it 

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is still unproven as a college 
coach X's and O's. 

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Indiana is not going to get you 
to a big year. 

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I can with the Big Ten title 
there and oh, by the way, he has

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his great talent and he can't 
get him to the NBA. 

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And that's what his point is. 
I'm curious your take, you know,

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which do you think is more 
important, which you think will 

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be recruited against more, just 
your thought on kind of that 

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00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:19,600
that debate of, you know, which 
is the worst of both of which 

442
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,700
doors worse for Indiana to go 
through, not making the 

443
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,000
tournament or Trace Jackson, 
Davis, not even being drafted. 

444
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,500
I mean, I don't think the trace 
Jack And Davis. 

445
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:32,600
I like I think in a broad sense,
the NBA development is the 

446
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,300
bigger concern because I mean 
you can look at at the guys like

447
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:38,100
there's a reason Calipari 
recruits so well. 

448
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,300
I mean he's a likable guy but he
gets every one of the NBA. 

449
00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,900
Like I've always laughed at the 
people that are like, why do 

450
00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:46,700
they keep going there? 
Why do they keep going there and

451
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:49,700
like cuz he gets everyone 
drafted in the first round. 

452
00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:54,000
I mean you can criticize his 
results and all that stuff but 

453
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,800
he gets them to the pros and 
it's a pretty incredible. 

454
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,800
Resume in that regard. 
And so I think that's the bigger

455
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,400
concern. 
But I mean, to a certain extent,

456
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,600
I think they'll be able to tell 
people like, look, you know, he 

457
00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:10,900
we got him, he was already sort 
of developed, you know, what we 

458
00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:12,700
did, what we could, you know, 
we're working. 

459
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:16,200
I think for this year, the 
tournament is the bigger thing. 

460
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,900
I've always been a huge believer
that the biggest Gap in like 

461
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:23,000
program perception. 
Is you make the tournament 

462
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,100
versus you don't? 
Just because I mean like when 

463
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,800
you get selection Sunday people 
are Looking for their teams. 

464
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,700
That's when the country tunes 
into March Madness. 

465
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,000
And if your if your name is not 
on there, somewhere in that in 

466
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,200
that big bracket, I really think
that's detrimental to your 

467
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,900
program and for your recruiting 
and the like. 

468
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,700
So I think it's really important
this year moving forward. 

469
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:48,100
Obviously I think that MBA thing
is going to be huge and he needs

470
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,100
Woodson has to show, you know, 
he can get guys to the pros 

471
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:54,500
because as you said that's that 
was his big you know, calling 

472
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:59,700
card was the MBA experience. 
Hopefully for who's your fans, 

473
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:01,600
you know, partnering. 
That was some success on the 

474
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,800
court. 
I think they're going to get in 

475
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,400
because I do think they're going
to be able to finish strong 

476
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,300
here. 
The next couple of weeks, and 

477
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,300
we'll see what happens with with
Jackson Davis. 

478
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,600
It is a weird thing. 
How you have these guys like 

479
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Luka? 
Garza? 

480
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,800
Jackson Davis were just utterly 
incredible college players that 

481
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,900
just can't get any MBA sniffs. 
But if you watch the NBA, you 

482
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,700
understand why, but it is just a
bizarre thing to watch. 

483
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,200
Ouch and and we'll see. 
But for this year I think the 

484
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,400
tournament is the biggest thing.
But I tend to agree over the 

485
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,100
next couple of years, it that 
MBA thing is going to be really 

486
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:41,400
huge. 
Yeah, let's go around the ground

487
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,700
the big down a little bit. 
The thing you're kind of a 

488
00:24:44,708 --> 00:24:48,000
Michigan guys, we have to just 
hit, I'm sure your nauseated 

489
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,100
talking about the Juwan Howard 
Wisconsin slap, you know now he 

490
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:55,800
oh he if you haven't seen it 
first off where you been but 

491
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,000
secondly, there it was. 
You know, Wisconsin called a 

492
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000
late time out Juwan. 
Howard is not a fan of that in 

493
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800
the post game you know, he tried
to walk by guard and guard 

494
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,800
wanted to talk to him and then 
they got a scuffle and then 

495
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,500
Howard, you know, slapped, he's 
trying to slap, I don't know 

496
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,600
who, but he slapped an assistant
coach and then, you know, Mayhem

497
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,100
ensued, so to speak. 
He's been suspended, five games.

498
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:19,200
You know, I went, there's been, 
you know, a lot of things 

499
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,400
floating around on Twitter or 
like, you know, Juwan Howard 

500
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000
called a late time out when 
Michigan, was beating the hell 

501
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,100
out of Indiana. 
I think he's done it again as 

502
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,400
well. 
So there is I'm curious your 

503
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,600
thoughts on it before I get my, 
take out your, a Michigan. 

504
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,400
You know, you lean toward 
Michigan, know that you're a big

505
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,300
10 over you. 
I'm just curious your, your 

506
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:38,200
overall take on the whole 
situation. 

507
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,400
I think they're, I mean, there's
been a lot of the litigating in 

508
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,200
the media. 
There's some Michigan sites, 

509
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,500
doing the old sub router film 
treatment, breaking it down 

510
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,900
frame by frame. 
And through all the course, I 

511
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:53,700
mean, at the end of the day, 
like to me, this is it's simple.

512
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:55,900
As this. 
John Howard gets paid seven 

513
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:59,100
figures to be the head coach at 
the Mercy of Michigan, you can't

514
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,400
be slapping people on a 
basketball court. 

515
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,800
This isn't this isn't a brawl, 
it's not a boxing match. 

516
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,100
Like this is a college 
basketball game where you're 

517
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,200
having a handshake. 
I get, it's emotional. 

518
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,900
I get it's intense. 
I get, you know, Juwan Howard 

519
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:15,900
wants to win as much as anybody 
out there, and he doesn't like 

520
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:19,600
his team getting disrespected. 
You know, blah, blah, blah, at 

521
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,900
the end of the day. 
Number one, if you're getting 

522
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,300
blown out and the other team 
wants to rub it in, that's your 

523
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:26,500
problem. 
You know, you need, you need to 

524
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,200
win the game. 
I'm then, you know, if you're 

525
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,700
behind in mad about being 
behind, that's your fault. 

526
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200
And then, secondly, again, I 
don't care what Greg Gard or 

527
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,800
these assistants or Wisconsin's 
players, did you can't respond 

528
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,500
with that? 
I think Wisconsin. 

529
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,300
Absolutely has some egg on their
face as well. 

530
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,500
Like the idea that Greg Gard was
just innocently going to, you 

531
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,700
know, stop Juwan, Howard to 
explain to him the rules and 

532
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:59,800
whatnot is laughable to me. 
I mean, we all we've all seen 

533
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,200
this. 
If you watch college basketball 

534
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,800
enough, the blow by handshake, 
Ron Howard was going to do the 

535
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,500
blow by handshake walk past him.
And you see sometimes coaches 

536
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,400
try to hold them in there to, 
you know, really rub it in that 

537
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,900
they lost and that's clearly 
what guard was doing the 

538
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,800
Wisconsin bench and the 
assistants were absolutely 

539
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,700
instigating after the fact but 
you can't you can't slap 

540
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,600
somebody. 
I mean, it's not complicated, 

541
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,800
you're a professional here, 
you're making millions of 

542
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,600
dollars at you. 
Mmm, it's a college. 

543
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,600
You can't do that. 
So I think this is suspension 

544
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,700
with Justified. 
I didn't think I thought firing 

545
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:40,100
would have been a little extreme
given just the whole situation. 

546
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:44,900
And the fact that I didn't see 
any evidence that anybody was 

547
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:48,200
actually injured, it seems like 
it was just a little face slap 

548
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,600
or whatever. 
But I think all the suspensions 

549
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,100
are generally Justified. 
Frankly. 

550
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,000
I think they probably could have
went harsher on a lot of them. 

551
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,100
And we'll see, you know, as far 
as Michigan as a team, which I 

552
00:28:01,108 --> 00:28:04,100
know nobody really has been 
talking about the team and its 

553
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:07,300
chances and whatnot. 
They were really setting up well

554
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:10,300
for, for a big finish to the 
season, and I think this is 

555
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:13,900
going to do a lot of damage. 
Not only not having your head 

556
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:17,600
coach, but they're losing two 
key player rotational players 

557
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:20,800
here on Wednesday against 
Rutgers, which was kind of a 

558
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,400
must-win game. 
So it's a big blow to their 

559
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,100
team's chances moving forward as
well. 

560
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,400
Yeah, I would I would Echo most 
of everything that you said 

561
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,800
that, you know, I've always been
like if I don't love the late 

562
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,200
time out stuff but on the flip 
side it's like you don't like it

563
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200
then you know when the game it's
like this is in the end. 

564
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,400
This is this is not, you know, 
Middle School sports. 

565
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,500
Like your yeah you have a 
scoreboard. 

566
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,500
The coaches are being paid a lot
of money like you have so many 

567
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:47,600
time out. 
You can use them all. 

568
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,900
Like it's not, you know, the way
you get them back as next time 

569
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,100
you play them, you'd beat the 
hell out of a, maybe you call a 

570
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:56,100
timeout. 
Like I've I've never been a fan 

571
00:28:56,100 --> 00:29:00,500
of this like, You know, unspoken
rule thing the and again with 

572
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,200
you you can't slap. 
You can't hit you. 

573
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,500
Can't do that. 
It is funny like yeah, Juwan 

574
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:06,700
Howard should not have been 
fired. 

575
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:08,200
That would have been something 
Indiana would have done. 

576
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200
We have a holier than a like, 
oh, we'd end up dismantling our 

577
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,200
program for another region to 
everything in the NCAA would be 

578
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,300
like, what? 
Huh, which again, I think is 

579
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,900
awesome when you have been. 
This is a total other tangent. 

580
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,100
It's like you have schools in 
Arizona and you know, Kansas who

581
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,600
are basically saying F, you the 
unstable a it's like hey you're 

582
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,900
under FBI investigation. 
Okay. 

583
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,900
You know, f Like we're just 
going to be ranked number two in

584
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,100
the country and, you know, it 
doesn't matter, and it's just 

585
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,800
like, if you don't, pay 
attention, doesn't matter. 

586
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,400
But, you know, the the other 
kind of the reaction, the 

587
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,600
reaction, the reaction thing 
that this kind of bugging me, 

588
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,500
now, is you're seeing some takes
of, like, you know, why do we 

589
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,400
need a handshake climate? 
Why do we do this? 

590
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400
You're just, you're putting 
people in this Peril and the 

591
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,300
people talk to the NBA. 
It's like the NBA does have a 

592
00:29:46,308 --> 00:29:49,600
handshake line. 
It's like this is this is what 

593
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,000
to me is like MBA medically 
wrong with the NCAA, is the MBA 

594
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,300
is professional. 
Like they don't have a handshake

595
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:57,100
line. 
That's what you do. 

596
00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:00,100
It like again the n-c-double-a 
cells all of this I'm kind of 

597
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,100
conflating a couple arguments 
here, but the NCAA cells is like

598
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,300
we're molding men. 
Like, you know, we're these are 

599
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,600
young men that were teaching the
right values and they do all 

600
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,500
that BS. 
It's like that's what the 

601
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,300
handshake line theoretically is 
about that. 

602
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,000
Like, we have this game and 
then, you know, we're still 

603
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,700
Collegiate athletes. 
We're going to shake hands and 

604
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,000
do all that. 
So I'm going to be very annoyed 

605
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,800
at the NCAA or just basketball 
just gets rid of your college 

606
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,200
basketball gets rid of this 
because again, it's like that's 

607
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,800
another step to being 
professional. 

608
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,200
These want to do that. 
Then like end Bleh could just go

609
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,800
eff off honestly. 
It's like, they're not gonna do 

610
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,000
anything here, but like it's to 
me, it's infuriating that the 

611
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000
ncaa's cells. 
All of this, as a game of young,

612
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,500
men teaching young men. 
And then, if this ends up being 

613
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,000
the reason why we stopped having
handshake lines like that's 

614
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,200
going to bother me more because 
that is what sets you different 

615
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,000
from the pros and like anyway 
I'm but yeah we'll see where 

616
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000
that goes with that but I agree 
with you like you had to, this 

617
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,400
is why you know, the teams 
didn't start going. 

618
00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:00,500
I'm nuts until Juwan Howard, was
the one that slapped and through

619
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,200
something like, that was what 
instigated all this? 

620
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,400
And exactly. 
He's the adult in the room, he's

621
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,000
the one over 25. 
He's the one making a salary at 

622
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,300
this. 
He's the one who's getting paid 

623
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:13,800
real money. 
He has to be the one to make 

624
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,100
this, not accountable, but I 
also think we don't need a 

625
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,400
massive overreaction. 
We don't need to get rid of 

626
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800
handshake lines. 
We just need better etiquette 

627
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,300
during the and I'm with you too.
Greg Gard is not off the hook 

628
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:24,600
either. 
Like he doesn't need to settle. 

629
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,400
Someone's hash after the game, 
too. 

630
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,700
But you did the timeout thing, 
everyone knows that, that's kind

631
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:31,900
of a dick move. 
Now, you also don't need to 

632
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,200
settle his hash right then and 
there like, you can call him up 

633
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,800
later and like tell him like 
later. 

634
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,300
Maybe you guys meet the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

635
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,000
Something like it just like 
everyone's a little bit, kobol 

636
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,300
hear. 
But yeah, Juwan Howard shouldn't

637
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,700
have done that, but that's kind 
of my thoughts on it, but you're

638
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:48,400
right. 
This does affect Michigan steam,

639
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,100
which is coming down the stretch
here, where they have a bunch of

640
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,900
games in a quick to notice 
period period of time, although 

641
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,400
it's a bunch of home games. 
Like it's nice to have Rutgers 

642
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:58,200
Illinois, Michigan State, Iowa 
at home. 

643
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,800
That's a, you know, breaks 
nicely for them and then at Ohio

644
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,200
State. 
But yeah, I mean, they still 

645
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,900
have work to do even though 
they're kind of projected to win

646
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:09,200
all the home games and we'll 
see. 

647
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:11,700
Yeah. 
That's that's the thing that I 

648
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,700
found. 
Very disappointing about it too.

649
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,600
Is like you were expected to 
lose at Wisconsin. 

650
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,300
I mean I don't you want to win 
the game, I get it was hard 

651
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,800
fought and you know Wisconsin I 
think generally plays a 

652
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,000
frustrating Style. 
Basketball for opponents. 

653
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,400
Not only because they win a lot 
but they just they play a grind 

654
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,200
it out style for the most part, 
we all know, Brad Davison's 

655
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,900
history, 13 meant a lot of 
people don't like to play for a 

656
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:44,000
lot of reasons and but you know,
just take your lumps, head home 

657
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,400
and you got four straight like 
you said, four straight home 

658
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,600
games, it's unlikely, you're 
going to sweep all four, but 

659
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,500
it's also not insane to think 
you could win. 

660
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,600
Four straight, you don't have to
travel the whole time and You 

661
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,100
just one of the four is against 
Iowa, who you just beat on the 

662
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,600
road ones against Rutgers who we
just talked about, you know, 

663
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Rutgers is vulnerable on the 
road, great at home, but there 

664
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,700
are vulnerable on the road, MSU 
is in a amid, a big skid to. 

665
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,500
So, you had three teams there 
where wouldn't have been 

666
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,000
shocking. 
If you beat all three and first 

667
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,700
off, that's might be enough to 
get you in the tournament just 

668
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:22,800
right there. 
And then you get Illinois at 

669
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,200
home to which, if you upset 
Illinois. 

670
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Huge Resume Builder. 
So yeah, it's unfortunate to 

671
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,900
watch them. 
What could very well, you know 

672
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:37,000
submarine their remaining 
chances for the season we'll 

673
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,300
see. 
They play on Wednesday against 

674
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,800
Rutgers Phil martelly. 
The assistant is going to be the

675
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:49,200
acting head coach so we'll see 
how he does and I don't know I'm

676
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,500
sure there's going to be a 
Michigan's. 

677
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:52,900
Going to be a team to watch the 
next couple weeks for a lot of 

678
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,600
reasons. 
Yeah, well and this is why, you 

679
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,700
know, it's good having you You 
on because you see kind of 

680
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,500
everything we see it from an 
Indiana bubble but it, you know,

681
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,800
I'm not part of the team like 
I'm not there. 

682
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,800
I don't know what happened in 
Chicago, but you know, when 

683
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,400
Woodson suspended five players 
for the Northwestern game again,

684
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,300
I don't know what happened. 
I don't know what's there, but 

685
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:19,300
part of me sees that and it's 
like, I hope I don't know how to

686
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,500
say this the right way, but it's
like that was a very important 

687
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,900
game in a five-game stretch, 
where you really needed that win

688
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,699
and It's just again, I don't 
know, I'll say it last time I 

689
00:34:29,707 --> 00:34:32,000
say, I don't know what happens, 
I don't know what was the cause 

690
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
of suspension and it probably is
Justified, but like, there's 

691
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,500
also a, this this single game 
could submarine your entire 

692
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:40,100
year. 
So, I hope this is a, this is 

693
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,699
what you want, like, 
understanding the stakes at play

694
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:44,100
here. 
Like maybe you just, you know, 

695
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,900
wait a week and have them go, 
you know, have them, you know, 

696
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:49,699
have them suspended against 
Michigan State, where you're 

697
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,400
probably going to lose it, 
Michigan state. 

698
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,000
But I see the same thing with 
like the Juwan Howard thing 

699
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,100
again. 
Like, I know it's Heat of the 

700
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:56,300
Moment. 
I know you're pissed. 

701
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:57,700
First. 
But this is partially where you 

702
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,200
have to understand the stakes of
like, you know, this was a game.

703
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,800
You lost, you need to be there 
for the next couple of weeks and

704
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,000
this is the kind of thing. 
You just don't see out of, you 

705
00:35:08,008 --> 00:35:10,900
know, the Tom izzo's or the Fran
mccaffery, these were, you know,

706
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,000
they they understand kind of the
situation. 

707
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:18,000
The right times. 
And it does it seems that almost

708
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,900
be kind of a failure of 
situational awareness, you know,

709
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,000
to not understand that. 
But again, II as an Indiana fan,

710
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,900
that's the way I felt about some
of those suspensions for the 

711
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:30,400
Northwestern game is and again, 
they probably were totally 

712
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,300
justified. 
I'm not the coach, I don't know 

713
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,700
what they did wrong, but it did 
seem like damn. 

714
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,900
That's that's a huge penalty and
you're kind of giving yourself 

715
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:42,200
pretty close to a self-imposed l
in a game that you really needed

716
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,600
and it feels like Michigan's 
done, something very similar 

717
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,600
here. 
And by a again, you know, 

718
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,500
younger coach was not a ton of 
college experience. 

719
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:52,100
I mean more than Woodson, but 
still still learning his way in 

720
00:35:52,107 --> 00:35:55,400
the college game and that's what
I was going to say to, you know,

721
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,400
from a Michigan perspective, I 
know a lot of people were ready 

722
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,500
to throw, throw Joanna, under 
the bus and move on, and I get 

723
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:04,600
it to a certain extent, you 
know. 

724
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000
If you want to draw the line at 
like you can't physically strike

725
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,900
someone. 
I get that. 

726
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,600
I don't think it's an 
unreasonable position at the 

727
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,200
same time though. 
Like I also think people Need to

728
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,000
appreciate. 
I think this is what John's 

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:23,000
third year as a head coach ever.
And he's, this is the first year

730
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,100
that they've really had 
struggles. 

731
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,100
The first and expectations. 
Yeah, well yeah, that and that's

732
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,400
the first year was the covid 
year but they were going to 

733
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,100
enter the tournament as a solid 
seed. 

734
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,400
They want a bunch of big games 
last year. 

735
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,100
They won the Big Ten outright 
they made the elite eight. 

736
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:43,400
I mean crazy successful season, 
11 of, I think they were third 

737
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,900
on Ken Palms, so great team. 
And this year, they enter the 

738
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:50,300
season six or you know, top five
somewhere around their top 10 

739
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,300
and they have thoroughly under 
achieved on that billing like 

740
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:56,600
you said, and it's probably very
frustrating. 

741
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
And I think a lot of that 
blossomed here against Wisconsin

742
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,800
feeling like, oh my gosh, we 
need to get some of these winds 

743
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600
but he's learning as a head 
coach. 

744
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,500
And he had one of these last 
year, with marked urgent, in the

745
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,900
Big Ten Tournament, where he had
sort of a confrontation with 

746
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:19,100
turgeon And I don't want to say 
this as inevitable because it 

747
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,000
was, this is the second time 
it's happened. 

748
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,400
So it's hard for me to say, oh 
yeah, you know, this was this 

749
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,900
was so predictable, you know, it
was coming. 

750
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,800
I don't think anybody saw this 
company after this game on 

751
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,800
Sunday. 
But yeah, he's going to learn 

752
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,000
from it. 
He's going to improve and from a

753
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,700
Michigan perspective, I think 
the fan base is hoping that he 

754
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,200
gets better. 
Don't do this again. 

755
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,600
You do it again. 
You're probably out the door. 

756
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:49,700
But he needs to learn, you know,
you're the head coach, you're 

757
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:54,000
not a player anymore, you're not
an assistant, you can't get that

758
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,400
aggressive. 
You got to keep things a little 

759
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,300
cooler. 
Yeah, I hear everything you're 

760
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,600
saying, although it's not like 
being an assistant. 

761
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,900
You don't get to throw punches 
either. 

762
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:02,500
But yeah, I totally get what 
you're saying. 

763
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,700
You also mentioned just looking 
around the Big Ten, a little 

764
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:08,900
more, you mentioned. 
Michigan, State, who is? 

765
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:11,700
You know, they're, they're in a 
bit of a swoon. 

766
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,700
I got a very close, but he was 
Michigan neighbor. 

767
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,000
Who's very close to his mission?
State fan who's, like, they do 

768
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,800
this every February. 
They have a three-game losing 

769
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,500
streak, which I'm like, okay, 
yeah, welcome to my world where 

770
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:22,800
we have a one-game in February 
yet, like, don't don't talk to 

771
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,600
me about February spoons, but 
this is a little bit 

772
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,200
uncharacteristic of Michigan 
State. 

773
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,700
They've lost four out of five, a
soul win, being a home, kind of 

774
00:38:30,707 --> 00:38:34,100
a home drubbing of Indiana at at
East Lansing. 

775
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Yeah, I'm curious what you see, 
because you look at the numbers.

776
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,900
It's a pretty typical Michigan 
State team off the Ken Palm 

777
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,900
numbers. 
I haven't watched them game in 

778
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:43,700
game out, but, you know, they 
played a very tough 

779
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:47,000
non-conference schedule, as they
Do they lost kind of their two 

780
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,900
key games at Baylor and Kansas, 
but they put together a really 

781
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,400
nice record. 
They seem to be, you think to be

782
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,400
a hard team, you know, their 
turnover numbers aren't great 

783
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,900
but they've never been a great 
team. 

784
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,100
Getting turnovers or little high
this year on turnover on 

785
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:01,500
offense, but everything else is 
there pretty good, you know? 

786
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,400
But it's do you think this is a 
problem with Michigan state is 

787
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,800
this schedule base because for 
them. 

788
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Also, the schedule doesn't get 
much easier, you know, they're 

789
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,300
there at Iowa and then home to 
Purdue and then at Michigan at 

790
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,800
Ohio State home to Maryland. 
So So he's up with Maryland but 

791
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,500
I'm I'm curious your thoughts on
Michigan State and what you're 

792
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:23,500
seeing out of them? 
Well, the fascinating thing 

793
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,000
about Michigan State for the 
longest time, is they have this 

794
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,900
gaudy record, you know, through 
their first 16 games. 

795
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,900
They're 14 and 2 overall, 
they're 5 and 0 in Big Ten play.

796
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:36,000
And as you mentioned, the only 
locks is were Kansas and Baylor 

797
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,100
a neutral courts. 
Not exactly good. 

798
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Yeah, not. 
Not that bad. 

799
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:43,200
You know, mid-January. 
You're rolling like that. 

800
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,500
And they got up in the top. 
I don't know where the highest 

801
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,800
they reached, but eight or nine,
or something like that. 

802
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:51,600
And the computer numbers never, 
really believed that they were 

803
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,400
that good. 
The computers always kind of 

804
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,000
thought they were somewhere at 
late, teens to the 30s somewhere

805
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,200
like that. 
And so, I think part of this was

806
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,900
the hot start, they got a little
ahead of themselves. 

807
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,500
They were, they were never quite
as good as that that start 

808
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:11,700
indicated. 
And I think you've seen it. 

809
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,800
Like you said, part of it has 
been the schedule, they lose to 

810
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,900
To, to Illinois, both games, 
they could have won by the way, 

811
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:22,500
very close competitive games, 
and then they've Rutgers on the 

812
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,000
road as we talked about how 
tough they are, Wisconsin at 

813
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,800
home. 
But the only real game, like the

814
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,400
last couple weeks, I think 
they've been playing noticeably 

815
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,900
worse than they did earlier in 
the year. 

816
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,100
That turnover Thing Remains an 
issue. 

817
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,400
I think another issue is Max 
Christie. 

818
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,300
Who's there? 
Do It All Star? 

819
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,900
Freshman has, I think hit the 
wall. 

820
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,100
A little bit. 
And I think Tom Izzo talked 

821
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,200
about that where he thinks he's 
pushing them a little bit too 

822
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,800
hard and I don't know. 
I mean, I'm not in practice 

823
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,500
every day working out with them 
but his numbers certainly 

824
00:40:55,500 --> 00:41:00,000
suggests, he's hit the wall, a 
lot more, you know, he had six 

825
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200
points against Illinois on 
Saturday, he had 10 against Penn

826
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,100
State but very inefficient 
performance 81 offensive rating 

827
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:12,000
and as his numbers have 
declined, Michigan state has 

828
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,100
struggled. 
So I think the big part of it 

829
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,200
has been They have, they've 
always had the turnover issues 

830
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
all year and that's kind of 
actually persisted a couple 

831
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,100
years now where they just 
haven't had, since Cassius 

832
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,200
Winston left. 
They haven't had that reliable 

833
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,600
point guard play and Max 
Christie as hasn't been as good.

834
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,300
The last couple weeks, which is 
normal, you know, for a true 

835
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,900
freshman to struggle a little 
bit but they need to get him 

836
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,800
playing better work on some of 
those turnovers and otherwise I 

837
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,900
think they'll be fine. 
I don't think they're the Big 

838
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,100
Ten title team and at this This 
point I think they're two games 

839
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,300
out of it so it's unlikely 
they're going to be able to 

840
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,000
close that with just five games 
left. 

841
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:54,400
But I think there are a nice 
solid team heading into March. 

842
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,600
I do not think there are Final 
Four tag team barring something 

843
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,300
weird happening. 
Yeah. 

844
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,400
It's I would agree with you 
although me, it's it's tough to 

845
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,700
go back because, you know, you 
have the of the covid year, you 

846
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,800
have the year in the last year 
was just a big ten year. 

847
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,000
And then if you go back to like 
19 and you know, 18 and 17 or at

848
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,500
least 20 1920 18 like they're 
just they're an elite team like 

849
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:22,300
their top three, I can pop in 
2017, you know. 

850
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:25,400
They're, they're kind of where 
they're at now, like their 40th 

851
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,200
and Ken Palms. 
They're not quite as good and 

852
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,300
that was a team that you No, was
it was a nine seed in the 

853
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,900
tournament but you know if you 
go back at like 2015 I'm just 

854
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:37,600
going back and back, you know, 
that was a team that was 15th 

855
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,800
and Ken Palm but kind of, you 
know, middle to round in the 

856
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,600
Big, Ten started the NCAA as a 
seven seed and that team went to

857
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,900
the final four. 
So there is a, there is a part, 

858
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:47,500
right? 
They did. 

859
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:51,000
Yeah, they lost to Duke, you 
know, that's, that's the thing 

860
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,100
with is 0 is there's a part of. 
I just kind of have 

861
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:57,100
institutional reflex where I'm 
like I I just always feel like 

862
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:59,100
he's going to figure it out. 
Ended. 

863
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,800
It feels almost like this is all
part of a master plan, where he 

864
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,300
seems to always get his team's 
lined up for March, or maybe 

865
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,100
it's also just because he's as I
go back and look at the stats, 

866
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,400
he's had Sometimes the best 
team. 

867
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Yeah, I mean, obviously his 
track record is great and it's 

868
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,500
possible. 
He's had at least three or four,

869
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,700
where they had no business, 
making the final four in this 

870
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:23,200
somehow figure out a way to get 
there. 

871
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:27,600
So yeah, there's a shot I just 
think from what we've seen so 

872
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,800
far To me they strike me more as
a solid team. 

873
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200
I think sweet 16 is a realistic 
goal. 

874
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Yeah and we'll see who knows? 
Maybe they get hot like you said

875
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,600
and maybe Christy gets back 
rolling again last year, almost 

876
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,200
feels like a final four because 
they lost to UCLA in the play 

877
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,200
and then you see Legos the final
game just kind of like a, like 

878
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,300
yorkist into the final four 
almost like you're very, like, I

879
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,700
had a chick, like, I know her. 
I thought I thought it was funny

880
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,800
because I was talking to 
somebody the other day where it 

881
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,500
was a mission. 
Related and they're like, well, 

882
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:02,800
you know, loose Michigan, you 
know, wasn't you know, a title 

883
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Contender something this year, 
under the guise that you know, 

884
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,400
these suspensions are probably 
going to kill a lot of their 

885
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
postseason hopes and I'm like, 
you know, look at UCLA last 

886
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,800
year, you never know. 
You get in the door, you got a 

887
00:44:14,808 --> 00:44:18,100
shot because UCLA was a mess 
before they got to the 

888
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:20,500
tournament and somehow they're 
in the final four with in a 

889
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:24,000
bucket of beating guns ago. 
So, you know, and that and that 

890
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,900
is the most. 
I one last question, I'll get 

891
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:26,800
you out here. 
Like that is the most 

892
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,400
frustrating thing as an Indiana 
fan. 

893
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,900
Is and I think Galen said it 
this morning to me, it's like 

894
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,500
we've made the tournament for 
years, you know, four times in 

895
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:37,000
the last 23 years or something. 
I'm a mess this up, but it's 

896
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,100
like we haven't made it in you 
know, six years and we've made 

897
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,800
it four or five times in 20 
years like that is that's not 

898
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,200
good. 
Just to say the least. 

899
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,400
Yeah. 
But the trouble is like you're 

900
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,900
just you're not giving yourself 
shots at the pie and you know 

901
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:55,000
your point like teams can be a 
mess. 

902
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:59,800
Hold on real quick. 
I'll pull up That UCLA run 

903
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,100
because I know they obviously 
went to the like, you know, in, 

904
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,400
you know, in the tournament, you
know, they played Michigan State

905
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,500
and they played BYU, but they 
played Abilene Christian. 

906
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:11,000
And then, you know, but like you
know, third game in there 

907
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,300
playing Abilene Christian like 
sometimes these things just 

908
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:18,300
break well for you and you see a
little bit of luck, but you're 

909
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:20,100
not going to get it if you're 
not playing in the tournament 

910
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,200
and like, yeah, sometimes you 
end up running into a buzz saw 

911
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,500
like when Indiana, you know, the
year before they are ranked 

912
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,800
number one, the year, they beat 
Kentucky with the watch shot. 

913
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,700
Like I still think that was and 
March they were playing at they 

914
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:35,000
gave that Kentucky team the best
run Kentucky had in the 

915
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,600
tournament and that Kentucky 
team won the title, it just 

916
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,000
sucks. 
They play in the sweet 16 like I

917
00:45:39,008 --> 00:45:41,500
think Indiana was playing at a 
super Elite level. 

918
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,400
I think they would have beaten 
almost anybody. 

919
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,600
If they hadn't played Kentucky, 
it's like that time. 

920
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,100
It sucks. 
But like, the ear with Mike 

921
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,100
Davis, we make the final four. 
Like, you know, I forget who the

922
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,300
two seed was, but we beat Duke. 
The one seed we did that, but 

923
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:56,500
then we played Kent State in the
elite eight, it's like you got 

924
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:58,300
kind of, I don't say a free. 
A pass. 

925
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,300
I think I'm pretty sure USC, 
like, we were a five again, do 

926
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,400
this all in memory. 
We are a five seed, like, USC 

927
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,600
was the four seed and then they 
lost the first round. 

928
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,100
So we played like UNC Wilmington
or something, like the bracket 

929
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,100
can break for you in a good way 
and that happens, sometimes, 

930
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,000
it's not, it's not bad, doesn't 
mean you suck it just like you, 

931
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,200
you, you can't do it if you're 
not in the, in the dance. 

932
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,400
And that's been the most 
frustrating thing for Indiana is

933
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,600
like, we're not even in there, 
and sometimes you just got to be

934
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,400
there, just have a nice break 
and and not, not to belabor the 

935
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,000
point any further, but, you 
know, Riggins last run to the 

936
00:46:29,008 --> 00:46:30,800
final four. 
I don't know if people remember 

937
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,100
this but they I think the 
highest seed they played was 

938
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:39,200
like a four or something before 
the final four because the top 

939
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,000
seeds got upset, that was a 
year. 

940
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
They had hit that buzzer beater 
against Houston. 

941
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,500
Let me, let me see this. 
So, oh, I'm sorry, the highest 

942
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,900
seed, they played, until the 
championship game was a set, was

943
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:54,800
a six in Houston and they were 
not, they were not a 

944
00:46:54,808 --> 00:46:57,300
particularly great, see there 
were seven seed coming in and 

945
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:01,800
basically, We got to play teams 
equal to them or lesser all the 

946
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,600
way to the final four. 
And that was just sheer luck. 

947
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:06,800
So, like you said, yeah, you 
got, you just want to get in the

948
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,400
door, you give yourself the best
shot you can with a seed, but 

949
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,900
otherwise, who knows what's 
going to happen there. 

950
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:14,400
But you got to get in the door 
first. 

951
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,300
So we're going to have you on 
again, right before the Big Ten 

952
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:19,900
Tournament, but where we sit 
now, I don't want to play who's 

953
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:23,200
in, and who's out of the NCAA 
tournament, but I'm curious to 

954
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,800
get your thoughts just as you 
see it. 

955
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,400
Now. 
You know, who do you think in 

956
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,100
the big? 
And could make the most noise in

957
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,300
the NCAA tournament and then 
conversely, who do you? 

958
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:33,800
See? 
And again, I know we have a 

959
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,800
couple weeks for things to round
out, so I'm not going to hold 

960
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,600
you to this, but who did, who do
you also see? 

961
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,400
Could be a possible, you know, 
first round exit. 

962
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:44,700
Allah, Ohio State last year. 
Oh geez. 

963
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,700
Because State we both. 
We don't like him here either. 

964
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:51,100
So you're more than welcome to. 
I was a bag on Ohio State. 

965
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:56,100
Yeah, I actually think is as far
as first round exit, I think 

966
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,000
Wisconsin to me, strikes out a 
little bit Where I just don't 

967
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,300
like that, right? 
I'd like Wisconsin as a team. 

968
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:07,300
I think there are very solid 
unit but there's so reliant on 

969
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:12,000
one guy in Johnny Davis and he's
a great player, he's more than 

970
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,200
capable of going off and pulling
them. 

971
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,900
But some somebody is going to 
have the defense to match up 

972
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:22,300
with them. 
And to me, they're either going 

973
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,600
to just let him go off and 
basically say scored 50 and beat

974
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,800
us or we're just going to shut 
down everybody else. 

975
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,900
Or you know, will shut down you 
and and let everybody else try 

976
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,700
to beat us and they're going to 
run into a team with with a 

977
00:48:33,707 --> 00:48:35,800
defense that that's capable of 
doing it. 

978
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,700
You know, for Badger fans sake, 
you know, hopefully it's not the

979
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,300
first second round, but I really
to me being so relying on one 

980
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:45,100
guy is a concern for me on 
Wisconsin. 

981
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,900
And then as far as teams to go 
deep, I know you guys won't let 

982
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:54,800
I think Purdue is probably the 
team most likely to go far. 

983
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,500
I do not view them as a national
title. 

984
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,100
Her because I just think their 
defense is too problematic to 

985
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:04,500
win six, six straight games but 
they're going to be they're 

986
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:06,800
going to get high seed. 
They very much have a shot at a 

987
00:49:06,808 --> 00:49:10,600
1 seed or at worst. 
Well, I guess that were slower 

988
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,600
but likely going to be a two and
maybe a one if things go right 

989
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:18,500
which is a huge Advantage, you 
know, for who you're playing and

990
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,100
they're gonna, they're gonna be 
a tough out for a couple rounds.

991
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:25,400
So I see them as far as actually
hoisting the trophy, when all is

992
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,800
said and done, I think Illinois 
is probably The strongest bet 

993
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,900
just because they seem the most 
complete to me. 

994
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,000
They haven't played at full 
strength for a lot of the year 

995
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:36,500
and it seems like now that they 
got it. 

996
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,400
Everybody back there. 
Just throw a really, really 

997
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
tough team to beat. 
We'll see. 

998
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:45,200
I think the Big 10 has a number 
of handful of teams that are 

999
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,400
certainly. 
Final four contenders if you can

1000
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,000
convince Rucker's that the game 
is at home instead of a neutral 

1001
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,500
n-c-double-a Court, you know, 
maybe they think they can make a

1002
00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:00,600
run but uh yeah. 
Yeah, I agree with you. 

1003
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,700
I think to me to answer my own 
question. 

1004
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,900
I think Illinois has a real good
chance to make a run here. 

1005
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:08,300
They're very solid. 
They seem to be kind of rounding

1006
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:13,000
into shape. 
Now I hate to agree with you on 

1007
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,500
Purdue the thing that I'll say 
with Purdue that would worry me 

1008
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:21,200
if I'm a Purdue fan is Zach, 
Edie is a big dude and I think 

1009
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,400
he's very hard to to officiate. 
I think the Big Ten understands 

1010
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,300
that they've seen it to your 
point like you know, like the 

1011
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:29,300
scouting. 
In the Big Ten, the officials 

1012
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,500
know how to officiate it. 
But we as we talked about last 

1013
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,500
time, the NCAA is the 
tournaments officiated 

1014
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,200
differently. 
It doesn't normally Benefit Big 

1015
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,400
Ten teams and he's a guy that 
you could probably call a travel

1016
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,500
on a foul on every play. 
And I could see a weird game 

1017
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,200
where suddenly he has like three
fouls in you know four minutes 

1018
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:51,600
and I and Jane IV is I love I as
a Pacers fan. 

1019
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,900
I want to see Pacers get him and
draft him, but he does. 

1020
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:57,500
Also I've seen a couple times 
throughout the year. 

1021
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:00,800
Or he can get you can get in his
head and he can get kind of 

1022
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,300
riled up. 
And so I worry about that. 

1023
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:07,500
As a as a if I was a Purdue fan 
as like that that game where it 

1024
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:09,900
all kind of comes together. 
We're suddenly IV has, you know,

1025
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,000
is kind of going a little too 
much on his own. 

1026
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,300
Gets a Fowler here to here. 
And then, you know, Zach ET is 

1027
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,600
getting weird foul calls and 
they're just calling them really

1028
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600
tight and all of a sudden you're
like what is going on here? 

1029
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:25,300
That would be my concern for 
pretty but I could see them as 

1030
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,400
much as it pains me making a 
final four run. 

1031
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
But again My something about the
way that team is constructed. 

1032
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,100
It's a Edie is just a unique 
player IV plays. 

1033
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:39,000
So all out, it feels like a team
that the tournament they're 

1034
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,500
going to. 
They're going to officiate them 

1035
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:44,800
incorrectly. 
Yeah. 

1036
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,100
Yeah, I think I think Michigan. 
I think Michigan, you guys have 

1037
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:54,400
so much talent that this, this 
whole suspension thing, might 

1038
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,600
actually help. 
Like there was the one-year, 

1039
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,900
what you like that and they know
it's not even comparable like 

1040
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:59,200
that. 
Yeah, the plane go off the 

1041
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,300
Runway and then you said won the
Big Ten title and the running. 

1042
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:05,000
Like there is a, there's a world
where this ends up kind of 

1043
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,800
bringing this team together and 
they kind of figure it out and, 

1044
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,900
you know, Juwan Howard is still 
be coaching the team does not on

1045
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,500
the bench. 
So there's a world where like 

1046
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,000
they could just get in. 
I could see them making a run 

1047
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,100
Allah UCLA last year. 
Like there's a, I think that's a

1048
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:22,900
team that just needs to get away
to punch their ticket and I'll 

1049
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,000
end with this, like Indiana 
feels like a team or if we can 

1050
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,800
just make it it's going to be 
like you know, if I was running 

1051
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,000
a marathon like I said earlier, 
I just if I cross the finish 

1052
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,800
line, I'm just gonna fall apart 
at the very end, you'll Indiana 

1053
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,500
feels like a team that if we can
get there it's great. 

1054
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,000
And then we're probably going to
lose in the first round which I 

1055
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,300
guess is again, it's better to 
be in the not being, but Indiana

1056
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,800
does not feel like it. a team 
that's going to give a lot of 

1057
00:52:44,808 --> 00:52:46,700
people, a lot of trouble 
especially where their seed 

1058
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:52,700
lines going to be Probably, 
yeah, I can see Indiana win a 

1059
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,000
game when in a game maybe get 
lucky and you know somebody gets

1060
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,800
upset so they can win too. 
But yeah, as you said that they 

1061
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,900
have some structural flaws. 
And the problem for me is that 

1062
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:06,900
when I look at teams is like for
the tournament is do they have 

1063
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:11,900
just a like shocking you know, 
blaring weakness on their team 

1064
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,100
and usually those teams because 
you're going to run into 

1065
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:17,400
somebody that can expose it as 
you go deeper, you know, you 

1066
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,900
might. 
You might be able to evade it 

1067
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,900
for round or two but eventually 
you're going to run into a team 

1068
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:25,700
with a good defense or great 
offense or good big or whatever 

1069
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:29,700
it is and Indiana. 
As you as I think all who's your

1070
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,400
fans know, there are some 
structural issues with the 

1071
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:38,300
roster and the style of play. 
And yeah, it's not conducive to 

1072
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:40,300
it to a deeper on, I'll leave it
at that. 

1073
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,500
Fair enough. 
Last last question, who's, who's

1074
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,500
going at this will get you right
before the Big Ten Tournament 

1075
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:47,600
who's going to be the one seen 
the Big Ten Tournament. 

1076
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,300
Oh, jeez. 
Well, I haven't I haven't broken

1077
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,100
down. 
Any of the tiebreaker thing. 

1078
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,200
So, forgive me on that, usually 
most years. 

1079
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,000
I have that I'll narrow down by 
now but I haven't, I think I'm 

1080
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,500
I'm gonna go with with Illinois 
Purdue right now. 

1081
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,600
They're half game up on 
Illinois, Wisconsin. 

1082
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,800
And I've the numbers would 
suggest that they're the best 

1083
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,900
team in the league. 
The advanced numbers at least, 

1084
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,500
but they have a really, really 
tough schedule. 

1085
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:21,300
They only have Three games left.
So not not a ton but MSU on the 

1086
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,600
road on Saturday and they get 
Wisconsin on the road on Tuesday

1087
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,900
and then they conclude with 
Indiana at home, which will be 

1088
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:28,900
out. 
Obviously a hard-fought rivalry 

1089
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:33,100
game, Illinois, Illinois has a 
pretty manageable. 

1090
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,800
Closing slate, they get Ohio 
State at home. 

1091
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:39,100
Michigan on the road without 
their head coach and then Penn 

1092
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:42,500
State at home, Iowa home that to
me. 

1093
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:45,600
It looks like they're probably 
going to sweep the four games 

1094
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:48,500
we've seen. 
Your things happen. 

1095
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:52,100
But so I would say Illinois 
right now, again, with the 

1096
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:55,400
preface of I haven't looked at 
the tiebreakers and how all that

1097
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,000
works out. 
But I'd say Illinois at the 

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moment, I would tend to agree. 
Although I will say when you, if

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you look at this, if you play 
the schedule, game Wisconsin's 

1100
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got a really easy path compared 
to even those two in there at 

1101
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Minnesota at Rutgers, which 
again, Rutgers that's a 

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trucker's. 
It's probably an elf. 

1103
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:15,900
That's a quad, it's a quad one, 
plus one win their home, they 

1104
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,400
have Purdue at home, which that 
might be the The game for the 

1105
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Big Ten title and then they're 
at home for Nebraska. 

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00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,600
So, you know, all things 
considered. 

1107
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,600
That's a, that's the easiest of 
all the three schedules and they

1108
00:55:25,607 --> 00:55:27,800
seem to be humming to. 
So it's gonna be interesting end

1109
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,900
and it could come down to a 
tiebreaker, which sucks, but it 

1110
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:32,200
is what it is. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1111
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,600
Moe. 
It seems like more often than 

1112
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:34,900
not. 
It's, you know, it's a shared 

1113
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:39,800
title these years and frankly, I
wonder if the Big 10 at some 

1114
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,900
point. 
We'll revisit the whole no 

1115
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:45,300
tiebreakers considered for 
sharing the title. 

1116
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:47,600
Probably not. 
But I don't know, I think. 

1117
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:49,200
Worth a discussion at some 
point. 

1118
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,900
Yeah, it is. 
I yeah, yeah, it's a different 

1119
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:56,500
pot. 
I'm at that's a day. 

1120
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:59,500
I would like to see the 
Heretics, expand the convent of 

1121
00:55:59,508 --> 00:56:01,400
the conference games, a little 
bit, but you still have the 

1122
00:56:01,408 --> 00:56:04,400
tournament like I don't know. 
There's there's a lot I think I 

1123
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,800
should they should gobble up the
Pac-12 and we should have a 

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00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,500
conference of 20. 
That's again, a totally 

1125
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,400
different pod will just let's do
that in the offseason. 

1126
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,700
Well, hey Thomas, appreciate 
you, coming on, will have you on

1127
00:56:14,707 --> 00:56:17,600
again before the Big Ten 
Tournament again, check them 

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00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,900
out. 
Out at BT power house.com part 

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of the SB Nation and we'll look 
forward to the Indiana article. 

1130
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,400
I'll look forward to that. 
Dropping and see how many, you 

1131
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,000
know, Red Alarm buttons. 
We should be pushing Thomas 

1132
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
preciate, you hopping on thanks.
As always and forever, they'll 

1133
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,000
start by listening. 
Thank you guys for listening. 

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We'll be back probably after the
Maryland game God I hope it's a 

1135
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:39,900
win but we shall see. 
So until next time for all you 

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00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:43,100
guys out there appreciate it. 
This is Scott for Crimson cast 

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signing off.