1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,240 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:20,480 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,600 Galen Clavio and Scott Caulfield joining. 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:29,520 It's the 8th of February as hope has been breathed back into the 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,320 season for some folks on the men's side. 6 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:34,680 Indiana with a big win a couple of days ago. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,840 We'll talk a little bit about that. 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,360 We have a mostly listener, question focused podcast. 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,360 We got a lot of questions. We're not going to be able to 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,720 get to them all. You people are outrageous in the 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,440 best possible way. When I put the prompt out for 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,120 questions, it's always a cavalcade of things. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,720 We're going to try to get to as many of us as we can. 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,360 We might have to do a second edition tomorrow. 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,320 I might bring somebody else along so Scott doesn't have to 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,520 field all the questions with me. But Scott it's good to see you 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,120 how you doing Everything all right I'm doing great. 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,560 So do I get to your one questions or Tier 2 questions, 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,840 Tier 8 level questions or G League questions you're you're 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,880 getting questions that will best help you make the NCAA 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,320 tournament. So congratulations on that. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,720 We got to we got to get your net rating up. 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,400 Scott's net rating dropped a little bit. 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,640 He's played too many home games lately. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Just, yeah, I did that one good pod in the preseason. 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Like that one. Just killer, killer pod. 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,320 You can go. Back to helps my Tier One pod, 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,200 you're like Michigan State. You're living off of 1V right 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,000 now and hoping that that's gonna be enough. 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,080 And Scott in the 10th high and we're worried about the 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,360 committee, quite frankly, like, you know the SEC Rep is just not 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,800 that impressed by what you've done. 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,520 So anyway, a couple quick notes before we get started. 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,800 We are on sub stack crimsoncast.substack.com, your 35 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,480 chance to get free delivery of our podcasts, and some random 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,120 notes sent to your e-mail. And we'd love to have you as a 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,760 part of the community, So go to crimsoncast.substack.com, sign 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,640 up for free. There's a paid option as well. 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,440 If you want some additional VIP thoughts from me and Scott, I 40 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,680 just did one where we talked about this big 10 SEC alliance 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,280 and what that might mean. But we've done everything from 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,360 like travel recommendations to to restaurants to, you know, 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,720 stuff about IU basketball that maybe doesn't make it on the 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,600 main pod. But that's $5 a month, $50 a 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,720 year. We'd love to have you on board 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,360 for that and and be part of the community. 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,520 You get access to the Discord that's been formed for all the 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,640 back home network podcasts and other items within the 49 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:37,400 community. That's a great place to talk 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,240 about IU sports in general and sports across the spectrum, so. 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,360 I will start. I'm going to start doing more 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,840 IndyCar talk on there so that that'll be coming in a couple 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,120 people with a live event. We're asking for more IndyCar 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,840 specific talks. We will get that now that you 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,280 know Andretti isn't allowed to go to F1 I guess. 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,200 So he's staying here. But I do have to give you a 57 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,760 little bit of props again Tier 1, Tier 1, a good good good non 58 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,040 conference win the the big 10 FCC one that you did was was 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,240 awesome like it's I love getting your insight like it's good to 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,880 see and it is I was one of the one I'm not giving. 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,800 I don't want to give it all away, but, you know, one of the 62 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,280 ideas that you kind of laid out is that, you know this, this 63 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,920 could be the the end of the NCAA basketball tournament or like 64 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,080 that There's going to probably be a restructuring of how it's 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,920 done. And as a didn't think I was such 66 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:29,160 a conservative traditionalist. Now that I am like, I'm kind of 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,320 like, man, that sucks, but I also fully understand all of it. 68 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,200 So but anyway, wanted to give you that. 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,080 That was. I love hearing your thoughts on 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,000 that stuff because it does. I keep up with it not as much as 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,480 you, but it does help kind of clarify some things in my mind. 72 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Thank you. Actually we are going to talk 73 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,760 about that a little bit because we had a question from a 74 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,120 listener about that, but I appreciate the kind words. 75 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Thank you, Scott. Also a reminder, we are part of 76 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,720 the back home network. If you haven't checked out the 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Ex's and Jo's podcast, please go do that. 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,920 Tremendous content there. They're doing the work podcast. 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,640 They'll be back in action tonight as they'll be covering 80 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,800 IU versus Michigan State. We've got the Crimson Cast 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Women's Basketball show with Amanda Foster and Kevin Vera. 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,760 We've got, of course, Assembly Call. 83 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,120 We've got Film Room with Tony Adrania who's been just knocking 84 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,200 it out of the park here lately. Just a a ton of content across 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,920 the back home network. I have a pod with Tony talking 86 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,720 Pacers. Yeah, right Meridian on the 87 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,120 network. We're going to do one tomorrow. 88 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Talking about the the latest trade of Buddy Hield is is out 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,520 of the Pacers. It's pretty wild. 90 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,840 I'm I'm quite fascinated to see what happens with all of that as 91 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,360 well. I was just shocked reading that, 92 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,640 like, wow, Marcus Morris makes 17,000,000 this year. 93 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,600 Yeah, I know. I want his agent. 94 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,040 Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know me folks. 95 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,400 I'm gonna defer to to to Scott and Tony on the Pacers talk. 96 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,000 They are far more equipped to talk about it than I am. 97 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,040 So go check out that podcast, subscribe. 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,760 It's a great listen. All of those podcasts and maybe 99 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,200 some new ones coming up here soon too, all brought to you by 100 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,320 Home Field Apparel are presenting sponsor folks. 101 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,480 We talked about it on Twitter earlier this week. 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,040 We got, we got the new release tomorrow the IU released nine 103 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,240 pieces of new apparel coming out from home field specifically for 104 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,640 IU. You know, of course, everybody's 105 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,440 made the jokes elsewhere about, well, I'm glad IU finally got 106 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,560 some home field apparel, apparel and it's like, well, folks, IU 107 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,720 always knocks it out of the park with new apparel, with old 108 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,600 apparel. You know, IU fans absolutely 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,040 show up with their wallets and this is your reward. 110 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,680 You keep buying things, home field's going to keep rolling 111 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,400 out new stuff. So keep your eyes out for 112 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,000 tomorrow as it will be another legendary drop and we're looking 113 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,240 forward to it. I've already got my next item 114 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,480 queued up. 10:00 AM is the launch. 10:00 AM at Friday. 115 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,960 We've seen these things. We've seen these things sell out 116 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,080 quickly, Scott. So everybody needs to be prepped 117 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,440 and ready to go for this. I I I'm not going to say what is 118 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,680 popping up specifically because I want to maintain some 119 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,760 surprise. But I can say that there's for 120 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,120 the first time that I can remember, there's a building 121 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,640 that's prominently featured that is not necessarily part of the 122 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,360 the athletic setup in the way that we think about it. 123 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,720 There's there's some great, there's a great slogan T-shirt. 124 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,960 There's there's a really nice trio of crew necks that are 125 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,200 coming out. There's another piece of warm 126 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,000 apparel that I don't recall seeing specifically for Indiana 127 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,680 and specifically with this particular logo that might have 128 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,640 some kind of a a metal implement that goes along with it. 129 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,800 I think you're going to really enjoy that just all kinds of 130 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,320 awesome stuff in this new drop from Home field Apparel. 131 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,400 So go check that out. And if you're a first time 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,360 purchaser of Home Field Apparel, you can use the code Home 23, 133 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,840 Get 15% off that first order Again Home Field apparel.com 134 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,240 10:00 AM Friday, we're going to see some new IU merch. 135 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,240 Looking forward to it. Anyway, I was going to make a 136 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,360 joke about like, you know, oh, I couldn't imagine they're doing, 137 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,400 you know, like when you said the building, I know the building. 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,240 And it's like I was thinking like, oh, like they're not going 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,400 to do like, you know, the the IU library. 140 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,000 I was like that thing would be kind of cool. 141 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,240 Or like I'm like Valentine, like I'm trying to think of like like 142 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,040 the the well house, but it's like I'm trying to think of 143 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,440 jokes. So it's like they would never do 144 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,520 that. And it's like those would all be 145 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,880 like I'm kind of in for all of those. 146 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,000 It's it's it's interesting. You know what would be the most 147 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,320 obscure building quickly like maybe the the so one thing, one 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,240 thing I noticed so when we were at the thing this last Saturday 149 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,160 and Hoosier Ticket Project was doing their their silent 150 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,320 auction. You know there's that you've all 151 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,640 seen it and Scott can see it above my my left shoulder here, 152 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,400 the orange ish basketball colored plate that commemorates 153 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,440 the 1976 championship. As you know it's got Kent Benson 154 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,880 with the sky hook over the Michigan player so on and so 155 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,240 forth. But you got Bob Knight, you know 156 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,720 in in kind of weird drawn mode. You've got Scott May, you've got 157 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,920 Kent Benson and then just randomly you've got the student 158 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,640 building for IU just like hanging out and it's it's 159 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,560 clearly the student building. It's the you know the one with 160 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,480 the big, the big bell tower on it and it's like why is the 161 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,640 student building of all the buildings in that plate? 162 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,120 I don't under, I mean it's it's it's it looks nice but but then 163 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,880 you get to thinking about it that's like surely there was 164 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,360 another building on campus that they might have utilized. 165 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,360 It would be interesting to see like, you know would anybody 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,360 ever memorialize Reed quad on AT shirt I I I doubt it severely 167 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,680 for a variety of reasons, but that there's there should be a 168 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,960 whole building's collection. Quad collection. 169 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,360 A home field quad collection I I will say of random IU building. 170 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,039 Though this wasn't the Q&A but it is now. 171 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,919 When growing up in Bloomington, the TV station used to do a sign 172 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:43,679 on this. The kids TV stations used to 173 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,000 sign off at some point. So they used to sign off at like 174 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,520 midnight or 1:00 AM They would play the the IU song, the 175 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Frangipana song and it would always end with a shot of the 176 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,680 like the the new bell tower that was out on like 17th like the 177 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:59,720 big kind of square looking bell tower thing. 178 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,920 And I was always like that's an odd last icon like of all the 179 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,160 buildings to kind of sign off and get the the closer spot like 180 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,240 that one seemed kind of odd. But it that's what that's what 181 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,560 they did back then so. Yeah. 182 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Anyway so let's that's that's a good point. 183 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,840 I forgot about that. You'll WTTV sign off that's man 184 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,560 what a can you can you get that up on YouTube and then maybe 185 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,680 maybe Big 10 network can steal that from you as well. 186 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,080 Peacock will grab that too. It's like that I love. 187 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,120 I love for those who didn't see this like there were every every 188 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,360 broadcast. Now it feels like on on Fox or 189 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,120 on Peacock. I haven't seen it as much on 190 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,240 BTN. It's happened once or twice the 191 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,920 the the large YouTube archive that many of you know that I 192 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,960 maintain of old IU games. They the networks will just grab 193 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,560 footage and just how do you know they're grabbing it from your 194 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:49,800 YouTube because it's the only because the games that they're 195 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,600 grabbing I'm the only one that has a copy I seriously like. 196 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,080 So in the Peacock game they grabbed at this really dog eared 197 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,800 1980 game that Mike Woodson played in and no one else has 198 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,600 uploaded that to YouTube. I know it's mine. 199 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,720 I recognize the the the granularity of the of the video. 200 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,600 There's no credit and look I don't I'm not going to make any 201 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,680 money off of it. I I don't make any money off of 202 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,280 those uploads uploads, period. I I do it as a public service. 203 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,560 But it's annoying 'cause it's like at least like let's credit 204 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,480 doctor GC or let's credit thermocaster, whatever. 205 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Like I like just just something 'cause it's like I I think you 206 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,240 need to do the reverse like you know they have the big thing 207 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,520 like you know the you know you cannot reproduce this like 208 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,080 express written cassette. Like I think you just start 209 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,640 pulling things off a Peacock and putting it on a different 210 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,760 YouTube channel. I need to I need to like I'll 211 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,280 hire a lawyer to just have them call during the broadcast. 212 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,720 I'm sorry, you're going to have to pull this broadcast off the 213 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,920 air now because you used it permissible our our premium 214 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,280 substack. It's like we make some money on 215 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,680 that like we're going to restream the Peacock games on 216 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,520 our premium substack. This is how we finally retire 217 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,840 Scott anyway. No. 218 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,760 Anyway so we didn't get to the questions because we we don't 219 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,040 have an inexhaustible amount of time. 220 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:01,520 We had our first question of the podcast from Damon, what do we 221 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,040 have to do to make the NCAA tournament? 222 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,720 And it's a reasonable question. And we got some other questions 223 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,560 that kind of fall in that vein. And Damon, first of all, thank 224 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,640 you for listening. Second, I got some bad news 225 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,160 there. There's not a lot that we can do 226 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,680 right now, I think, other than what seems. 227 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,480 DeLorean that is also a time machine. 228 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Well, that would certainly help. Let's put it this way, If you 229 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,160 look at the the, the, the Torvik projections, Indiana winning 230 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,720 every remaining game, you know, so all what is it? 231 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,600 9 games, all eight games remaining in the regular season 232 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,720 and then winning in the first round of the Big 10 tournament 233 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,640 and losing in the second round of the Big 10 tournament would 234 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,840 not quite get Indiana into the tournament. 235 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,680 You know, according to the numbers. 236 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,160 Now there's be some shifting around with some other things as 237 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,480 a result of that, you know, and and I think a lot of it is going 238 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,080 to come down to like what happens in other environments. 239 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,440 But even if you even if you account for all of those 240 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,560 different items based on pure numbers, and this is where I 241 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:14,320 think the caveat's important, Indiana 23 and 10 and 14 and six 242 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,280 purely from a numbers perspective, wouldn't get in. 243 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,520 Now, realistically, if Indiana ran the table, they would get in 244 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 up until the Big 10 tournament because they'd be 14 and six, 245 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,320 and at that point they'd have a road win against Purdue, they'd 246 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,720 have a home win against Wisconsin, they'd have a home 247 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,840 win against Michigan State. And then you add into that 248 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,840 really the very little that they did the rest of the season. 249 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,480 I mean, they have that road win at Michigan, you know? 250 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,360 But that point, they'd have a bunch of wins that would make 251 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,680 them look better. They'd be 3 and 8IN quad one, I 252 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:48,600 think 8 and one in quad two, and with only one loss below that. 253 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,160 So, you know, realistically speaking, I think Indiana would 254 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,880 have to at minimum win 12 or 13 games depending on which games 255 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,560 they were. And then they would have to win 256 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,200 at least probably a game, maybe two in the Big 10 tournament. 257 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,760 Even then it would be kind of touch and go. 258 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,400 And a lot of this, again, kind of depends on what's going on 259 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,760 elsewhere in the country. I don't think it's a reasonable 260 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,600 ask simply because when you say what does Indiana have to do to 261 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,560 get in, You have to assume that they're going to play at a level 262 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,280 that's much higher than what they've seen. 263 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,720 We we've seen out of them so far. 264 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,760 So even though they wanted Ohio State, and that was certainly a 265 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,800 good win to have, I don't think that you can use how they played 266 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,000 in in the second-half of that game as a predictor for how 267 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,000 they'll play moving forward. And any any appearance in the 268 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,960 NCAA tournament, from my perspective, is going to rely on 269 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,280 one of two things. Either A Indiana wins the Big 10 270 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,080 tournament or B, Indiana plays like a completely different team 271 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:55,400 between now and the end of the season. 272 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,720 Both of those seem very unlikely and so I'm I'm not holding my 273 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,440 breath. There is a route, There's two 274 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,400 routes really. One of them is win the rest of 275 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,600 your games and then win at least one game in the Big 10 276 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,240 tournament. The other route is win the Big 277 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,320 10 tournament. I just don't think that that 278 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,440 either of those are going to happen. 279 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,800 Yeah, you've got me on to the the Bart Torvik, you know, 280 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,600 futurecast and playing around with it. 281 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Even with us winning out and winning one game in the Big 10 282 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,240 tournament and losing the second, we're still in the first 283 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,000 four out, like we're like the fifth team out. 284 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,960 So it's like that still isn't good enough, you know. 285 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,240 But and I just played around, you know, if you say that we 286 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,000 lose at Purdue and lose at home to Wisconsin, which are both 287 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,800 reasonable and you win everything else, which is still 288 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,680 a pretty unrealistic situation. We're like 16th out like we're 289 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,880 we're not even in the first four or eight out. 290 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,000 I would say the best possible route now is in that Torvik T 291 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,000 you know Futurecast, there's a button that a check mark says 292 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,120 give auto bid if you click that we're in. 293 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,280 But I think that might be the best way in. 294 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,120 I mean yeah I'm showing like honestly if we win out and we 295 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,880 win two games, the Big 10 tournament lose to Purdue. 296 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,680 We are one of the last four teams in. 297 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,680 So it's like there's still a route to get there, but as as 298 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,320 you. Said it would, It would take us 299 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,160 doing just something that you There's really not a lot of 300 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680 precedent of a team in the hundreds just all of a sudden 301 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,920 playing like a team in the 20s. Well, and look, obviously 302 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,520 Indiana would be looked at differently if they finished 303 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,000 with, you know, 13 or 14 wins in the Big 10. 304 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,120 And that's where you'd get all of those. 305 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,440 Like, does Indiana deserve to be? 306 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,560 And look what they've done over the course of the last 10 games 307 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,360 of the season. Discourse that we sometimes hear 308 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,280 from other teams who do similar things. 309 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,640 I don't even think it's worth entertaining until we see if 310 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,360 they went at Purdue. Let's have the conversation 311 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,040 absolutely. Or if they lose at Purdue and 312 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,560 win everything up until that game against Michigan State, 313 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,160 let's have the conversation. But right now I I don't. 314 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,280 You know, we're so used to Indiana at least being somewhat 315 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,480 in the tournament picture. From a conversation perspective, 316 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,520 this is the first year that I feel like any conversation on 317 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,160 that front is fanciful. Yeah, 'cause we're not even, 318 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,400 like, we're not even, we're not even, we're not even on the 319 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,080 fringes of the conversation right now. 320 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,200 And and so that's, that's a thing. 321 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,760 So 'cause, like, we had another question. 322 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,640 Well, I mean, I was going to say, like the other question 323 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,520 that should be asked honestly is like what do we have to do to 324 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,400 make the NIT? Which I don't want to answer, 325 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,360 but it's like we're, we're there. 326 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,360 I mean, keep in mind, NIT is going to want brands like 327 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,120 Indiana in the NIT. And right now, I mean that win 328 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,800 at Ohio State was big for that because at this point, Indiana's 329 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,960 projected generally I think to go three and five the rest of 330 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,640 the way, which would easily get you into the the NIT, you'd be 331 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,120 17 and 14, you'd be 9:00 and 11:00. 332 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,080 I really have a hard time seeing Indiana being left out. 333 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,960 But the, the, the one thing to think about on the flip side 334 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,440 there is the Big 10. Like, there's a lot of teams 335 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,520 that are kind of in this rut, in the right, in the middle that 336 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,720 will have about the same record at the end of the season. 337 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,280 Now, I'd be surprised if like, Rutgers, Ohio State, Michigan, 338 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Maryland or Penn State got invites to the NIT simply 339 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,800 because I don't think any of them are going to finish with 340 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,440 good enough records to quite get there. 341 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,760 And, you know, Maryland is kind of the big question mark. 342 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,839 The rest of them, I I I'm having a hard time seeing the route. 343 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,880 But for the rest of the teams that are in that middle, a lot 344 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,000 of it depends on what the NCAA tournament does. 345 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,880 You know, if Minnesota makes the NCAA tournament, which is still 346 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,200 an iffy proposition. If Michigan State wins makes the 347 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,040 NCAA tournament, That's an iffy proposition. 348 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,200 Nebraska still not sure they're six and seven in conference 349 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,040 right now. Iowa is seems like an NIT bound 350 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,320 team, but they're still technically in the conversation. 351 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,840 A lot of Indiana's fate might ride on what happens with those 352 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,480 other teams, because if they're in the NCAA tournament, that 353 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,880 makes it easier for Indiana get into the NIT tournament. 354 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,880 The NIT, it's not the NIT tournament, it's just the NIT. 355 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,120 Sorry, NIT. Yeah, it's last thing about the 356 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,760 NITI was joking with Andy Bottoms about this at our last 357 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,200 event. It's like he's, you know, he's 358 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,120 he's very good at the NCAA bracketology. 359 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,800 But I was joking, like, you know, there's an open lane, 360 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 'cause I remember there's there's a guy, there's a there's 361 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,200 a guy that does NIT bracketology. 362 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,080 I'm joking. It's like there's five, but it's 363 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,160 like I feel like I have to go on the dark web to get there. 364 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,320 It's like I'm open, like, you know, the Silk Road, like I can 365 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,520 order cocaine and stuff and heroin online. 366 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,680 Like the NIT projection sites are like if I'm almost going to 367 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,440 clear my browser and go Incognito mode, it feels so 368 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,520 dirty. Anyway, go ahead. 369 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,840 Did you just compare the NIT to Class 1 narcotics on the 370 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,680 podcast? Wow. 371 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,240 That's really fascinating, Scott. 372 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,680 And we're learning a lot about you. 373 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,000 That's OK let's move on. They're all things I don't like. 374 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,360 Put it that way. Fairpoint. 375 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,720 OK, not things you would not order in NIT bid on Silk Road. 376 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,480 So I think, I think it can be done. 377 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Anyway, let's let's get to some other questions here. 378 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,640 So we had a question and I'll go back. 379 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:51,280 This was the one that Patrick asked about that video that I 380 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,920 did regarding the alliance, the Big 10 SEC alliance, which is 381 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,880 where it was actually two questions here. 382 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,640 Where does antitrust come into the equation when it comes to 383 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,320 the potential of the Big 10 and the SEC getting together? 384 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,160 The NFL has been fighting that, curious that that eventually 385 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,760 could come into play if the Big 10 and the SEC break off. 386 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,200 So I think this is a really fascinating question, and I 387 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,520 don't think there's a clear answer. 388 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:21,000 Part of the problem with college sports is that the definitions 389 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,720 are all screwed up because college athletics has spent the 390 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,480 last 75 years trying to argue that they don't have to pay 391 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,480 their employees. And so as a result, you know 392 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,760 you've already had demonstrated stratification of college 393 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,720 athletics that all goes back to the player compensation aspect 394 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,720 that's been going on for the last 40 years. 395 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,880 You know, I mean we're obviously focused on Big 10 and the SEC, 396 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,240 you know those 34 teams are getting together. 397 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,800 We don't know for what exactly. We we know, but can't you know 398 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,960 with 10 years ago we had the Power 5, which largely split 399 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,400 themselves from the Group of Five within the FBS subdivision 400 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,040 and said we get the lion's share of playoff bids. 401 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Well, nobody filed antitrust over that. 402 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,640 Then before that it was, well, we're going to have Division 403 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,120 One, then division, you know, then it's like Division 1A, 404 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:17,040 Division 1B, Division 11C or it was FBSFCS, whatever that 405 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,480 stratification. Before that you had even the 406 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,760 idea of there being divisions because that's only been around 407 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,200 since the 1970s and so. I think the idea of antitrust, 408 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,600 putting the brakes on college sports reorganization is 409 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,360 probably not something to rely on. 410 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,600 If you don't like the direction that things are going or even if 411 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,360 you do like the direction that you're going, but you're worried 412 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:40,040 about it. Because I don't know that the 413 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,560 courts can legitimately say everybody in this marketplace 414 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,400 gets equal access. Like there's no argument for it. 415 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,960 There's no argument that. I mean if there was, I think 416 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,160 we'd be seeing you know something akin to well you know 417 00:20:54,160 --> 00:21:00,400 how can how can Division One FBS limit FCS teams from being in in 418 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,480 this, you know, new in like in the playoff for instance. 419 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,440 It's it's largely because businesses and and industries 420 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,320 kind of set the rules for themselves. 421 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,560 This isn't monopolizing in as much as there's 34 brands 422 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,080 involved. You know, there's been this 423 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,320 stratification and you've got dozens of years of professional 424 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,160 sports that you know as the the one aspect here is will we see 425 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,960 collective bargaining between athletes and either schools or 426 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,760 conferences or some combination of both. 427 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,760 If there is collective bargaining, then that is an 428 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,120 agreed upon labor situation with the idea that yes, this is an 429 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,480 oligopoly or this is, you know, some kind of a of a of a 430 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,000 monopolistic thing. But it's allowed, because that's 431 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,640 been the status quo, not just for sports in the United States, 432 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,280 but frankly, sports all over the world for a long time. 433 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,880 Yeah. I mean, antitrust is, is like, 434 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,840 you know, when there's only three airlines and it's like 435 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,680 they're the only ones who can fly there, that's kind of an 436 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,480 antitrust thing here. It's like, you know, how how 437 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,040 would the courts figure out the difference between, you know, 438 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,000 like a scholarship to play football at Indiana Wesleyan and 439 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,720 a scholarship play football at Georgia like you? 440 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,920 And I know they're different, but it's like, are you saying 441 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,560 like, that's still a scholarship to play football at a level? 442 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,720 It's like it's a different level, but it's it's, I just 443 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,080 don't see it as a possibility. And as you've said, it's like 444 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,800 universities have spent 100 years saying we're not a 445 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,760 business. We're not, we're not adhering to 446 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,120 all of these rules. And now all of a sudden they're 447 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,680 like, oh, we are now we are, but we, but we kind of are. 448 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,640 Because they don't want to deal with, you know, paying their 449 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,760 players. But we do want. 450 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,360 It's it. This is where they've created 451 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,880 this very messy bed. And I also think that, you know, 452 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,800 this is where, you know, to get real collective bar, I mean, 453 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,320 sorry, not collective bargaining. 454 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,400 To get real antitrust, you need more than just courts. 455 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Like you need, you need some federal government, you know, 456 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,880 intervention. And this is where, you know, 457 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,840 we're not going to take this into a political side, but it's 458 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,160 like the the government is not getting anything done even on 459 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,560 immigration, let alone. And they got to take time to 460 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,280 come together across the aisle and figure out, you know, 461 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,240 antitrust legislation for the NCAA. 462 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,720 They, they've made it very clear, like the NCAA's trying to 463 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,480 get stuff through Congress, the Congress, like we're done. 464 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Like we're not, we're not dealing with this. 465 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,320 We don't want to touch this. You guys figure it out on your 466 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,920 own. So I just I don't see any of 467 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,520 this happening for them. Patrick also asks what is the 468 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,680 SEC Big 10 partnership mean for the future of regular season 469 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,640 basketball. Maybe a a glorified Big 10 SEC 470 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,280 tournament Also feels like this is going to be the kind of thing 471 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,400 that forces Notre Dame to make a choice along with like UNCFSU 472 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,760 Clemson. So on the first thing, I don't 473 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,320 know. I mean, look, so much of this is 474 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,600 about, if you look at football, that is really the template I 475 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,200 think that you would see in any restructuring of the landscape 476 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,840 based upon the Big 10 and the SEC getting together and saying, 477 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,880 all right, we're the most important people left at the 478 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,600 table. You know the NC Double AII have 479 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,920 a hard time seeing the NCAA disappearing. 480 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,760 But I do see a scenario that's very likely where the NCAA just 481 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,080 doesn't derive money from the NCAA men's basketball tournament 482 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:08,480 because and that's that's a kind of a death blow for it to do 483 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,560 anything because that's where it gets most of its money that it 484 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,880 then distributes down to the smaller members, the the members 485 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,440 that often times aren't even in the NCAA tournament but 486 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,520 certainly the ones that are at the lower levels of Division 487 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,480 One. You know, look ultimately this 488 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,840 is where and it kind of goes back to your, you know, I didn't 489 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,200 realize I was a a a tournament conservative comment at the 490 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,440 beginning. The NCAA tournament is something 491 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,720 that people have grown to really love over the course of the last 492 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,840 35 to 40 years since it expanded to 64 teams and became a media 493 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,120 entity. A tremendous amount of money is 494 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:51,160 made off of it every year. Not as much as is made in terms 495 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,880 of like per team revenue generation as is made in 496 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,440 football, but it's still a very lucrative thing. 497 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,920 And I think from the standpoint of the Big 10, the SEC and their 498 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,080 media partners, they're looking at this as they did with 499 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,600 football. And they said our responsibility 500 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280 is not to make sure that everybody in college sports gets 501 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,720 a chance at at playing for a national title. 502 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,880 Our responsibility is to make sure our schools are taken care 503 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,560 of and make sure we're maximizing our revenue. 504 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,520 I realize that sounds disgusting to a lot of people and the 505 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,400 outcome of that would be something along the lines of the 506 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,200 Big 10 in the SEC, but just wouldn't participate in the NCAA 507 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,720 tournament. They would have their own 508 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,440 tournament, which would probably look something like a single 509 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,560 elimination version of what you get in the NC double or in the 510 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,600 in the NBA or or you know the NFL. 511 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,960 That's that just feels like the likely thing. 512 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,440 Would it be a replacement? Would that be the actual 513 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,560 national championship? I mean, if if you're talking 514 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,480 about A, if you're talking first of all about the big brands, the 515 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,280 football brands, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Florida State, 516 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,480 Clemson, if they end up joining this mega alliance of these two 517 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,880 conferences, certainly there's more teams playing really good 518 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,640 basketball elsewhere. You know, the Big East, there's 519 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760 basically no teams that fit into this category. 520 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,960 There's Big 12 teams that don't fit into this category. 521 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,120 There's, you know, there's there's the Cinderella stories. 522 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,560 I am really curious if the Big 10 in the SEC look at this and 523 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,640 say we realize that the what makes the tournament special and 524 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,120 what draws people to it is that layer of unpredictability. 525 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,520 We just want a greater share of the revenue. 526 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,800 We don't want all of that farmed out to the rest of of college 527 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,880 sports simply because we all happen to be in the NCAA. 528 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,680 So I think the implications both for the regular season and for 529 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,680 the NCAA tournament, to answer Patrick's question or something 530 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,880 along the lines of this, the NCAA tournament I think will 531 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,880 continue. It'll probably include more 532 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,160 teams and those more teams will come from the power conferences. 533 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,400 There will be some additional money and the money will be 534 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,000 shunted more towards the teams that have the top level brand 535 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,880 recognition in the Big 10, the SEC, and to a lesser extent some 536 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,760 of the other power conferences, rather than just doing away with 537 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960 the whole thing entirely regular season. 538 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,600 I actually think Patrick's idea is logical that you would set, 539 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,960 you would have like a mega big 10 SEC challenge that you would 540 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,480 market kind of like the N season tournament has been marketed 541 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,480 through the NBA where it is kind of like the big player 542 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,000 tournament. That happens and it probably 543 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,320 won't supersede the NCAA tournament in terms of 544 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,160 popularity, but keep in mind this is what the NCAA tournament 545 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,840 did to the NIT 75 years ago. It's the exact same. 546 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,600 Book, hopefully without the huge gambling scandal that ended up 547 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,120 undoing the NIT. But I could see that kind of 548 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,760 being the way that things play out over the next 5 to 10 years. 549 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,640 Something that that you something's going to have to 550 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,680 happen with the regular season. If you go back and listen. 551 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080 I did a preview podcast the beginning of the year with Mike 552 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Dakouri. We talked about this a little 553 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,920 bit. It's like we're looking at it 554 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,640 and you know, it's like there's eighteen teams in the Big 10. 555 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,760 Next year we play 20 basketball games, the Big 10 conference. 556 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,200 It's like that's you're either going to not play a lot of 557 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,240 people or you're going to play everybody once and it's like you 558 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,800 play Purdue twice and that's it. Like it. 559 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,640 It's going to be a weird structure. 560 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,800 And then if you, if you add more conference games, that's fine, 561 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,000 but then you get away, you lose all of, the, you know, non 562 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,680 conference games, which then like how you select the teams 563 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600 for the tournament becomes wildly different. 564 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,680 So it's like something is going to have to change. 565 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,360 You're either you're going to lose a lot of the preseason 566 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,880 games that we like or the preseason, the whole whole other 567 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,560 levels of preseason tournaments. If you get this, you know, big 568 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,000 10 SEC challenge, then that gets rid of pre season games. 569 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,640 So like even if the NCAA tournament stays the way it is, 570 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,320 how those teams are selected is going to be just vastly 571 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,520 different because you're not going to have balanced 572 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,000 conference schedules. Like you kind of have two things 573 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160 pushing, something's going to have to give here. 574 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,240 And so when I look at that, it's like 18 teams or 20 games isn't 575 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,560 going to make sense moving forward. 576 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,200 So I think there's a couple of things to keep in mind. 577 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,840 One of the reasons why the college basketball regular 578 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,400 season isn't that enjoyable is not just what you just said, but 579 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,760 what you said is important. But it's also that nobody's in 580 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,720 charge of college basketball. Like, there are some very, very 581 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,000 basic guidelines like you can only play X number of games and 582 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360 not exempt tournaments. You can, you know you have to 583 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:30,080 play within these particular dates, but realistically, 584 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920 there's nobody actually in charge of doing all of that. 585 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,920 What? Where that comes from a lot of 586 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 times is here's what coaches want and this is what gets 587 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,640 pushed. And that ends up, you know, 588 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,320 being the rule of law. Well, what coaches want is not 589 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,800 really the same thing as what would be good for college 590 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,360 basketball, either from a competitive perspective or from 591 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560 a media revenue perspective. I mean, all these games that get 592 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,600 played, all the complaints you get about why are all these 593 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,440 games in neutral sites? Well, they're not at neutral 594 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,840 sites for media purposes. They're not at media sites for 595 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,480 competitive purposes. They're they're, excuse me, 596 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,040 they're not at neutral sites for those things. 597 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,480 They're neutral sites because coaches don't want to lose games 598 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,960 on the road, right? That's a bad idea like that, 599 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,880 like using that as a primary scheduling thing is not good, 600 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,160 but because there's not a lot of top down control in either 601 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,920 college football or college basketball, you end up with 602 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,160 these schedules. That only makes sense in many 603 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,560 cases for the coaches, not the consumers, not the media 604 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,960 partners and not the athletic departments. 605 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,720 And I think that is something that will change, especially if 606 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,120 the relationship between the schools and the athletes changes 607 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,360 to where the athletes are considered employees. 608 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,960 That gives you a lot more flexibility to think about how 609 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,800 you're doing scheduling. And it gives you the ability as 610 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920 we see in the NBA and the NFL and other professional, you 611 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,600 know, sports entities, which college sports is as we keep 612 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,400 saying, that gives you the ability to say here's how we're 613 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840 going to schedule, here's who's going to play whom. 614 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,040 And you can go a couple different directions. 615 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,080 Like I I really would love from a competitive perspective, the 616 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,360 Big 10 and the SEC are big enough now and will probably get 617 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,040 bigger because they'll add the brands that they want from, you 618 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,560 know, the ECC or the Big 12 that they say, you know what, rather 619 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,840 than this kind of cockamamie will have half the teams play, 620 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720 half the teams thing. I'd love to see them break 621 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200 themselves down into more reasonable divisions for 622 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,160 basketball, where you have a core group of teams that you're 623 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,040 playing regularly for rivalry purposes, and that makes up the 624 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,840 bulk of your schedule, that I think it provides media with 625 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,160 what they want. It provides consistent 626 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120 competition. It still allows for slots where 627 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,640 you're crossing over and playing teams from other conferences, 628 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,120 You know, ultimately it checks all the boxes that need to be 629 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,160 checked. That's one of the big issues 630 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,360 right now with college basketball in particular is that 631 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,160 there's nobody minding the store. 632 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,680 It's just all been kind of cobbled together over the course 633 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,720 of time and loosely directed by the conferences. 634 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,080 There needs to be a lot more coordination, especially if 635 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,120 things consolidate more. I want to hit one thing that 636 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Patrick said because it was a thought that I had from from 637 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,240 your your, your, your pod on the on this, where do you see and we 638 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,800 can finish this up with this. Notre Dame is always the one 639 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,760 that kind of clicks out there. It's like there's other brands 640 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360 like Florida State and North Carolina that are like big 641 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,920 brands. It's like it seems weird that 642 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,680 they're going to be left out by the way someone's going to be 643 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,680 left out. Like there's at the end there 644 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,600 will be a bubble of. It's like, you know, it's one of 645 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,680 my favorite is like I think it was an interview with like Jay 646 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280 Bilis or somebody was like talking about doing the the 647 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,080 studio show for the tournament and he's like, Dick Vitale's 648 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,160 like, oh man, you can't leave that school at all, man. 649 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,800 Like, how'd they get left out? And they finally went to break 650 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,360 and he's like, dude Dick, somebody has to be left out. 651 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360 Like they can't all make it. And it's it's funny with like 652 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,680 the all NBA All Star now everyone's like, oh man, Simona 653 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,360 should be an All Star. And I'm always like, that's 654 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,480 great. Like, dot, dot, dot. 655 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200 Who are you kicking off? Like nobody ever says that next 656 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080 part of like, he should be open. But like Julius Randall sucks. 657 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,240 He should be out. I'm not picking on Julius 658 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,480 Randall, but it's like everyone's like, oh, my top five 659 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920 is these twelve guys. Anyway, so there's going to be 660 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400 something left out, but it does seem like Notre Dame. 661 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320 I'm just curious your thoughts on Notre Dame because it feels 662 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,160 like we're getting to that point where it's like they're going to 663 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,440 have to decide and at some point get off or do you think it'll 664 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,280 really be Big 10 SEC and Notre Dame? 665 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,760 I mean, ultimately, I think the Big 10 and the SEC are going to 666 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,760 look at this and say, I mean, at some point Notre Dame has to 667 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,720 realize that they're like everybody else. 668 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,240 I mean, I mean really like. I mean if if Texas has been 669 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,120 willing to humble out there, if Texas has been willing to humble 670 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,760 itself to the point they're in the SEC. 671 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,480 You know if if FSU is and North Carolina are going to humble 672 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,280 themselves to not being the most important members of their own 673 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,080 conference and and melding into these larger conferences. 674 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,360 I I don't know why the Big 10 in the SEC would look at Notre Dame 675 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,000 and say yeah you know you you deserve special preference on 676 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,120 all of this and you deserve more money than everybody else. 677 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,360 That that didn't work when the when Texas tried that with the 678 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Big 12. You know, so my project and look 679 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,440 I said something when this last round of realignment kicked off 680 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,480 when it was clear that Notre Dame kind of backstabbed the ACC 681 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,080 in a lot of ways and and put them in a really weak position 682 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,600 like the Noraday will eventually pay for that. 683 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000 I think in terms of what they have to do in order to maintain 684 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,639 in this environment, they've they've got their own media deal 685 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,679 for this next cycle and and that will carry them through until 686 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,840 the end of the decade. But when the next round comes 687 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,360 up, I don't know if that's going to be there at the same level. 688 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,600 And if you're the Big 10 in the SEC, it's like, well, if we're 689 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,960 the real power brokers in this, I think the question is does 690 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Notre Dame actually join the club, do they join the club for 691 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,600 scheduling at this point? You know a lot of the debates 692 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,760 have been about, well, you know will Notre Dame join the Big 10. 693 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,639 They'd rather join the SEC. And it's like at this point it 694 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,520 doesn't matter. Like it really doesn't matter. 695 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,840 And I, you know the if if the money's joining the appliance 696 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,280 basically and and at this point the Big 10's probably looking at 697 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,960 it and saying fine, you don't want to join us, you you now you 698 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,960 got to join the SEC. But guess what, we're all under 699 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,480 the same media contract. So that, I think, is the 700 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,480 ultimate thing. You know what's what we got to 701 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,160 do? It's like if all of these things 702 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,560 kind of move forward, there comes a point where it's like, 703 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,920 fine, Notre Dame. If you want to do your own thing 704 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,880 and have your own media, that's great. 705 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,240 But like, who are you going to play? 706 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,800 It's like if you really piss off the Big 10 and SC, it's like 707 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,480 great. Hey, by the way, not even pissed 708 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,680 off. It's like you're the Big 10. 709 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,920 It's like we have enough scheduling to deal. 710 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,360 Like we have enough things we got to schedule. 711 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,640 It's like we don't have room to put Michigan against you in the 712 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,760 next couple of schedules. So have fun playing SMU and 713 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,240 Boise State. Like, knock yourself out, Notre 714 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,080 Dame. Because, like, we don't. 715 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,880 You're either in or you're out. We're in like we we have more 716 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,240 than enough content to go around. 717 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,320 We can't we don't have room to slot in a bunch of games against 718 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,400 you. You. 719 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Yes, Notre Dame becomes a luxury as opposed to a necessity in 720 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640 that environment and I and I think, I think Notre Dame 721 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,040 realizes that. What I think is really 722 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,760 fascinating though and the this is the last thing we'll say on 723 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,360 this because I want to get to some IU stuff. 724 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,720 If you saw the announcement earlier this week that ESPN and 725 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:15,040 Fox are partnering on an app that is going to be like the 726 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,080 centralized sports streaming site with the idea that you'll 727 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,280 be able to go to this app and you'll be able to access all the 728 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:26,560 stuff on ESPNESPN plus Fox, FOX plus BTN, like all of it's going 729 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,600 to be there. If you notice who wasn't in that 730 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,760 mix, it was NBC and Peacock, who is the contract with for Notre 731 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,320 Dame. It's for NBC and Peacock. 732 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,040 Like that they hired a guy who was an executive from Peacock 733 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,480 and NBC to to run their athletic department. 734 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,880 You know, I mean, what's fascinating to me is, you know, 735 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,520 there's going to have to be some hard negotiations, I think, to 736 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,440 bring NBC and Peacock into that app, and that's going to be the 737 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,760 app everybody wants if you're a sports fan. 738 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,200 That's what everybody's been clamoring for. 739 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,040 It's like we don't want to switch between five different 740 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,880 things. Does that become a wedge issue 741 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,760 to get in Notre Dame to kind of, you know, play by the rules that 742 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,200 the rest of the college sports community have decided that 743 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,280 they're going to focus on? That's going to be a really 744 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,080 fascinating thing to see. So anyway, some other questions, 745 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,000 Jamie Jordan asks basketball question. 746 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,640 I keep coming back to this. If we just IU men's basketball, 747 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,720 if we just sucked and it was fun to watch, would that change your 748 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,480 opinion on the team? We're awful on both ends of the 749 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,280 floor, but it's also not enjoyable to watch the style. 750 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,160 If we were Michigan, where the offense was good but the defense 751 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,400 was awful, but the vision for the future was a more modern 752 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,760 style, would you be as annoyed with the result? 753 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,200 It's hard to word it properly. I guess I just don't see 754 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,240 anything changing next year with the style and roster 755 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,360 construction, because that could have happened this year and it 756 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,440 didn't. OK. 757 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,760 This is an interesting question that's popped up quite a bit 758 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,480 because it's really a question of are you dissatisfied with the 759 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,920 outcome and is the process change how you feel about the 760 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,640 outcome? Scott, go ahead and take your 761 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,880 take the first crack at this one. 762 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,120 No, it's a great question. Something that I brought up on 763 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,840 one of our last pods being like, you know this just is not a fun 764 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,680 team to watch which I I stand by like the the the way they play 765 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,000 is tough but it's you're asking that question. 766 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,040 I think back to we have a pretty good example of the alternate 767 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,600 reality of this which was the end of the Tom Crean errors. 768 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,280 Those teams were offensively dynamite. 769 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,560 I mean they were shooting all over the place. 770 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,400 It was like hey Devante green, you want more green lights, Like 771 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,040 go for it man, knock yourself out. 772 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,560 And I, you know revisionist history is is one thing but I 773 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,800 remember being during living through that time being very 774 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,960 unhappy with those teams as well. 775 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,440 So I, I, you know, as somebody who is not enjoying watching 776 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,160 this style of play, I I think it's tough. 777 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,960 But, you know, in the end winning kind of cures all ills 778 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,200 and losing unfortunately heightens all those things. 779 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,440 Because I I would just say under Tom Crean those last two or 780 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,280 three years, there's other pieces there where it's like 781 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,800 Crean had the highs and the drops of like there's more to 782 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,160 the Crean story than just that. But you know, Crean was the 783 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,240 alternate. Like that was a fun and 784 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,720 exciting, very offensive style of play that also wasn't 785 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,400 working. And I don't remember at the 786 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,760 time, you know, being like, Oh, well, you know, we're losing. 787 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,840 But hey, at least it's fun to watch, you know, But I maybe was 788 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,440 a little bit more plugged, but I'm also like 10 years older and 789 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,240 had ten more years of, you know, anyway, so I I would say while I 790 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,320 understand that sentiment and at times I agree with it, and I do 791 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,000 agree this team is not the most, you know, aesthetically pleasing 792 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,760 to watch. You know, the only thing I, the 793 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400 last thing I would say is that at least under those cream 794 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,520 teams, you always felt like there was that 2016 type run 795 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,400 where it's like if they can just get things kind of figured out, 796 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,800 like this team could beat anybody on any given day. 797 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,600 I'm not sure I always feel that way with this, this version of 798 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,120 the team, just cause the offense struggles so much. 799 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,920 But I I think in the end it's probably just the losses that 800 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,840 are hurting because under Crean it was an offensive explosion 801 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,680 and still wasn't a ton of fun. I think we're all happy to be 802 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,680 off of that when that time came to the end. 803 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,200 Yeah. I mean, first of all, I'd note 804 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,560 that in terms of offensive efficiency, Michigan is not that 805 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,600 much better than Indiana. They're 54th in the country this 806 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,280 year. Indiana's 99th. 807 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,560 Not I'm I'm not sitting here standing for Indiana's offense. 808 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,400 It has not looked good. I don't think Michigan's playing 809 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:23,200 well enough or is enjoyable enough as a team to make that a 810 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,480 better scenario than what Indiana's dealt with. 811 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,320 And and honestly, I don't even here's the thing, you know, I 812 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:37,720 think the a slow pace or a stodgy kind of out of date 813 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,920 offense is going to make people irritated. 814 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,240 But if you're winning, it's a lot less irritating. 815 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,680 We talked about that a bit on the last show. 816 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,160 If Indiana was fun to watch offensively but was losing, I 817 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,560 think people would really get angry at the defense, which is 818 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,880 what happened in the green era. That was the that was the 819 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,640 mantra. It's like well, you know why 820 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,600 can't we have a coach that that's one of the reasons why 821 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,080 people were so excited about Archie Miller. 822 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,360 It's like oh, finally a coach that can coach defense and then 823 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,400 wow, look what happened. So I actually think, I think 824 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,520 it's a really good question, Jamie. 825 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:14,480 I think a lot of the discontent is less about the style though. 826 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,560 The style hasn't been awesome and more about there's been 827 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,200 large stretches where it just feels like the team either 828 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,200 doesn't know what it's doing or doesn't care what it's doing. 829 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,680 And that's a bit unfair because we're just reacting to what 830 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,400 we're seeing. You don't know that about the 831 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,840 players. It's more you're just kind of 832 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,440 reacting to these long stretches where they they really look 833 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,520 disconnected from what's going out on the floor. 834 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,360 But you know to me, I think that's that's the big thing for 835 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,720 most. I mean if you look at the teams 836 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:45,040 that have been disliked the most by IU fans over the course of 837 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,280 the last 50 years, a lot of it really comes back to this 838 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040 perception that the teams haven't bought in or that the 839 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,520 teams are are just, you know, not, they're not capable of 840 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,840 playing in a way that makes them look like they're connected. 841 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,000 I mean you go back, we talked about the 2013, 2014 team. 842 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,160 You know that team had all of those hallmarks and a lot of 843 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,760 people said that team was awful to watch. 844 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,520 They look like they had no fun playing with each other. 845 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,840 They had trouble doing things on the floor. 2003, 2004 and 2004, 846 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,400 2005 both fell into that exact same pattern. 847 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,960 Some of the late period night teams, especially like the, you 848 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,840 know, the 9596 and 9697 teams really fell into that pattern. 849 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,880 The the the 8485 team, the the team that preceded the season on 850 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,000 the brink year. I mean that to me is where you 851 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,480 get into the most trouble with IU fans is when it just feels 852 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,680 like there's a disconnect from intensity and focus. 853 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,400 And it's why I think this seat ears team, when they do play 854 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,920 like that, everybody gets happy all of a sudden like that. 855 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,560 The the IU did not play well in that first, what 2425 minutes of 856 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,880 the Ohio State game. They play hard, they come back, 857 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,520 they win and people are thrilled by that. 858 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,560 And you know, that's got people talking about what do we need to 859 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,120 do to make the tournament and stuff like that. 860 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,960 Like that's what people want. It's not even necessarily the 861 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,960 style. I think that's a secondary 862 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,520 thing. So I and look, I think other 863 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,760 people might disagree or have a different approach, but that's 864 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,640 how I've approached things. Yep. 865 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,400 No, I agree some other we have got a ton. 866 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,360 Like I said, we're not going to be able to get to all of these. 867 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:32,720 So we did have a question from let's see where did it go? 868 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,280 Let me, let me jump back to this other one. 869 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,760 I'm going to save the football questions. 870 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,280 I think we're going to do those as a separate thing to tomorrow 871 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,280 or over the weekend because there were a ton of football 872 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,040 questions and I'd like to, I'd like to address those. 873 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,000 Zach Wallace asks. Hypothetically, this year ends 874 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080 on a relatively good note. Coach Woodson's able to win some 875 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,280 recruiting battles and builds a winning team for next season 876 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,080 through the transfer portal. He leads A-Team to a Sweet 16 or 877 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,560 elite 8IN next year's tournament. 878 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,320 Does Dolson extend Woodson's contract if that were to happen? 879 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,160 Or what do you see as needing to happen to extend his contract? 880 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,360 It's an interesting thing. I mean, I think it that question 881 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,200 Zach ties into a bunch of other items. 882 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,080 I mean, Woodson didn't extend his contract most recently. 883 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,360 He got a salary increase, but he didn't extend his contract. 884 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,320 And I can't help but look at that and say to myself, I'm not 885 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,960 sure if Woodson wants to extend his contract much beyond where 886 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,840 it currently is. I do think you could see, you 887 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,720 know, in that scenario some kind of an extension for recruiting 888 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:35,960 purposes because it's generally a bad look to go out and recruit 889 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,840 if you don't have a contract that runs through the end of the 890 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,960 players that you're planning on recruiting getting there. 891 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,680 But it's really about, I think, the idea of where does Indiana's 892 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,240 optimism with the Woodson era, both administratively and with 893 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:53,200 fans, sit depending on what happens in this offseason and 894 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,960 going in the next year. As far as the offseason stuff, I 895 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,040 think what everybody seems to be looking for, and we had a bunch 896 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,320 of questions that hit this in one form or another. 897 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,760 Is there a sign of change? Like, is there a sign that some 898 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,920 kind of philosophical shift will occur? 899 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:12,280 Because I think where people get concerned and and you know this, 900 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560 this even ties into some comments that we're going to get 901 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,400 to in a second. This ties into the concern of, 902 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,000 like, how quick or how slow are you to pull the trigger on a 903 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,400 coach? So like Ant Ant Wright, who's on 904 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,320 Twitter all the time, if you haven't seen his video 905 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,840 breakdowns, he's pretty good. But he gets asked this like, do 906 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,760 they fire Woodson? After this year, his response 907 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,280 has been paraphrasing, you don't give Archie Miller four years 908 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,560 with no NCAA tournaments and then turn around and only give 909 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,280 three years to a coach that's been to the NCAA tournament 910 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,680 twice, had a second place finish in the Big 10 and was a four 911 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,680 seed in one of those tournaments. 912 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,920 And I think that's a fair thing to say. 913 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,880 There were some comments from Trace Jackson Davis today. 914 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,000 Did you see those comments yet, Scott? 915 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080 So Darrell Junior asked this, what's your take on what? 916 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,360 On what Trace Jackson Davis said about giving Woodson more time. 917 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,680 He said something to the effect of you can't swap coaches every 918 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,680 two to three years, you need stability. 919 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960 Do you agree with that? And how can you have stability 920 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,880 when Woodson's already up there in years? 921 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,800 How long is he going to coach? See all these things are 922 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,840 swimming around. First of all I'd like to note 923 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,880 Woodson, while while certainly in his, you know in the upper 924 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,600 ranges of coaches, is younger than a lot of other coaches, I 925 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,040 think he's like 9 or 10 years younger than Jim Larranaga. 926 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:32,760 He's he's like five or six years younger than Rick Barnes at at 927 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,040 Tennessee. There's a lot of coaches that 928 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,120 are coaching that are doing really well, that are older than 929 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,280 Woodson. I don't think age is the 930 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,960 appropriate metric to look at this. 931 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,160 I think it's more does it feel like there is a pathway and 932 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,920 going back to the Trace Jackson Davis's comments, what do you 933 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,520 see out of Woodson that makes you think that the pathway that 934 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,920 Indiana's on is a proper one? That's where I think, Scott, a 935 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,520 lot of people are concerned because that doesn't really feel 936 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,360 apparent right now after, you know, Trace Jackson, Davis 937 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,040 leaves and Miller Cop leaves and so forth. 938 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,560 Yes. I mean the, the age thing is 939 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,480 real, but I think it's really tied into the performance 940 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,760 because you look at, you know, Tom Izzo's 69, who's in that age 941 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,800 range and it's like Michigan State is really underperforming 942 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,880 this year. And then you can get the 943 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,520 narrative like, all right, has Izo lost his touch? 944 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,520 And you start to get that, you know, with Lara Nega, it's like 945 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,160 they were just in the final four, what, last year? 946 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,440 So you're like, Oh, well, this is a guy who knows, you know, 947 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,080 was able to change his time. So like age really is just, it's 948 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,920 a factor of are you winning right now. 949 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,280 And if you're not, like it'll happen like that where if you're 950 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,800 over 65, it's just like you lost your touch. 951 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,720 The narrative will get started and then it kind of, it's going 952 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,360 to be interesting to see, can Tom, can Tom Izzo turn that 953 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,480 around in Michigan State for example, a guy who's 69, four 954 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,200 years older than Woodson? You know, back to the original 955 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,200 question, if you know, let's just take that, that scenario. 956 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,800 He does. You know Woodson does well in 957 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,320 recruiting. The soft season figures out a a 958 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,320 system that works better and this team makes an elite eight. 959 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,600 Yeah, I mean that would be something we haven't done at IU 960 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,360 in like 20 plus years. That would be a a, a high high, 961 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,920 which is kind of always been the problems here is all of the 962 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,880 coaches here. I'm fine giving a little bit of 963 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,280 time. The trouble is like even our 964 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,640 highs have been basically getting the Sweet 16, getting 965 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,400 our ass kicked for the most, for the most part. 966 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,440 And that's not high enough. You know, you you start getting 967 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,880 some elite 8, some Final Fours that buys you a lot more time. 968 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,800 And so yeah, I think if you're Dolson you wouldn't want to give 969 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,200 like a 10 year extension. But yeah, maybe you extend it 970 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,240 two more years because at that point it's like OK now it looks 971 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,560 like what Woodson is doing is starting to yield results. 972 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,680 If we're getting to an elite eight that that would be a a a 973 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,680 fantastic season. I think the trouble is we're 974 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,160 starting to get these. You know it's something Osterman 975 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,720 talked about kind of half life of coaches. 976 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,080 But you know even our highs now are not as high. 977 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,840 You know we're we're not winning the Big 10. 978 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,640 You know the highest under Woodson is you know the 2nd 979 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,480 place finish in the Big 10. You know a Sweet 16 where we get 980 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,960 kind of boat raced out and it's like now after that we have the 981 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,040 drop off season again. It's like at least you know, 982 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,280 Creed had a #1 ranked team, won a big 10, you know, lost the 983 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,720 Sweet 16. And then it's like I think as a 984 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,400 fan, all I can say is, you know, it's just it is tiring that it's 985 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,280 like our highs seem to be getting a little bit lower. 986 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,440 But it's like we always hit this like why every year we have a 987 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,000 good season it has to be followed by this just 988 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,880 precipitous drop off. And like to me that is what is 989 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,480 starting to get really, really tough is you know even the bad 990 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,880 year we're talking about at Michigan State, they're two or 991 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,720 three wins away from at least being in the NCAA tournament. 992 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,360 It is really tough and it's hard to continue to give time when 993 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,800 it's like you have one good year and then it's just it it's like 994 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,960 it has to be followed by this drop off. 995 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,120 And look to add to that, I think one of the issues is what's the 996 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,680 foundation, if you're going to argue that, OK, last year you 997 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,240 lost a bunch of pieces, you're going to have to take a step 998 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,360 back. Fine. 999 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,160 Where are the good young pieces that you can really point to and 1000 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600 say this is what is going to lead to success moving forward? 1001 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,640 I mean, Gabe, Cubs has played pretty well this year, but you 1002 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,360 haven't seen a lot out of some of the freshmen and sophomore 1003 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,800 pieces beyond that that would lead you to think that's your 1004 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,640 nucleus moving forward. You don't have anybody in the 1005 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,040 recruiting pipeline that's that's clearly apparent right 1006 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,160 now except for the one guy that you've signed. 1007 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,880 I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to be nervous because 1008 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,960 what Trace Jackson Davis says is correct. 1009 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,920 I pointed this out on an earlier podcast. 1010 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,040 It's like you have to have some stability. 1011 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,640 All the programs you're pointing at around the country, you know, 1012 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,760 whether it's Purdue or whether it's Michigan State or whether 1013 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,640 it's, you know, Villanova under Jay Wright. 1014 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640 One of the hallmarks there was the consistency that came from 1015 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,040 having the same coach. But I also think you have to be 1016 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,760 cognizant of right coach too. Well, not just the right coach, 1017 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,600 but is that coach? Is there a clear pathway where 1018 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,960 it's like there's already been a foundation of success late? 1019 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,600 And I think what has caused so many people to take a step back 1020 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,560 and really question it this year is the idea that IU would fall 1021 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,760 so far back after losing. Admittedly, you know a, you 1022 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,160 know, a couple of NBA players and then some guys who are 1023 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,680 playing professional basketball, but to fall that far back and to 1024 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,880 be in the position that Indiana's in this year where the 1025 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,800 NCAA tournament is, is basically a pipe dream. 1026 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,760 The NIT is not an assured thing. To not have a stronger 1027 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,200 foundation, to be able to sustain through that, that's a 1028 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,360 real problem. And so that's where I think a 1029 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,240 lot of the questions around Woodson come from. 1030 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:39,240 It's not just the lack of success, it really is the lack 1031 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,720 of clear pathway forward. And it's a lot of, well, you got 1032 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,600 to trust Woodson and the coaching staff that they're 1033 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,520 going to make the necessary philosophical changes where 1034 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,320 they're going to make the necessary roster moves because 1035 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,800 they had the chance to do that before, didn't. 1036 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920 And you know, IU fans are pretty savvy. 1037 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,520 They're not just going to be like, oh, well, we'll get them 1038 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,720 next time. That's, that's they kind of 1039 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,800 feeds into not just what you said at the end there, but also 1040 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:07,600 the question from Doctor R why does it have to be so exhausting 1041 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,840 to be an IU basketball fan? And you know that that really 1042 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,480 ties right into it because I think it is a bunch of things. 1043 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,480 A there's been a lot of false promises over the course of time 1044 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,040 that this coach or that coach was going to bring the glory 1045 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,600 days back or or maybe not in the glory days, But just successful 1046 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,200 basketball at a high level, at a national level. 1047 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:32,920 And I think it's extra exhausting for IU fans, because 1048 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:40,640 IU fans, we're not historically used to these huge peaks and 1049 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,920 valleys that other programs are. I mean, I was thinking Michigan 1050 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,880 State in the Seventies, 80s and 90s. 1051 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,080 You know, they won a national title in 1979 with Magic Johnson 1052 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,880 and and Greg Kelser. They, you know, they were in an 1053 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,600 elite 8IN the in the late 80s I think, or early 90s. 1054 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,120 But then they'd have seasons where they were like 11 and 17 1055 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,320 and they know they would be like 5 and 13 in the Big 10, they 1056 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,840 would have these. And that's Michigan State. 1057 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,280 I mean that's that's considered to be like one of the top ten, 1058 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520 top 15 programs in the country. Ohio State would have those 1059 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,040 peaks and valleys. You know, they went from, you 1060 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,320 know, being on the doorstep of a Final Four in 1992 to, you know, 1061 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,800 barely being an afterthought in the Big 10 a couple of years 1062 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,320 later. Indiana largely avoided that 1063 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,040 until the last 2025 years, and now Indiana's got most of the 1064 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,920 valleys and and none of the peaks. 1065 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:37,000 As you just pointed out, Indiana fans, partially due to their own 1066 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,080 self mythologizing, but also due to the way that the program's 1067 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,880 marketed, the way the program's covered in the media. 1068 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,920 You know, you're, you kind of feel like you're paying filet 1069 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,160 mignon prices for hamburger a lot of the time with this, with 1070 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,440 this, you know, the fandom of being in at IU. 1071 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,920 And that really is exhausting because when you feel like 1072 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,240 you're supposed to be better by birthright, then you have been 1073 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:04,320 for a long period of time. And when you've had, you know, 1074 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,640 certain segments of the of the IU establishment, for lack of a 1075 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,720 better term, saying, you know, what's been missing is we 1076 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,040 haven't had a night guy in his coach. 1077 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,160 And then you finally put one in and it's like this looks an 1078 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,360 awful lot like the last 25 years has looked. 1079 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,640 That's really exhausting and it's. 1080 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,760 And you know, to some degree, it's like the fans can't do 1081 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,640 anything about it. The fans aren't to blame for it. 1082 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,880 And some of it's bad luck and some of it's bad decision 1083 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,560 making. I mean, there's a you could 1084 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,360 parse any one of a number of things out, but that's what 1085 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,360 makes it so exhausting, because mentally you're prepared. 1086 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,640 You're expecting there to be this certain level of of caliber 1087 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,120 for the program. And when it doesn't hit it over 1088 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,400 and over and over again, you start to ask yourself, like, why 1089 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,640 is this such a big deal? Why is this such a problem? 1090 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,880 Especially when Purdue, who you know frankly has been, has had 1091 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,360 as much success as IU has had in the conference without any of 1092 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,680 the titles outside of the conference. 1093 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,200 When they seem to be able to figure out a level of of 1094 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,040 consistency that Indiana can't, or Kentucky being able to figure 1095 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,760 out that an Indiana can't, that really does get exhausting. 1096 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,560 And the two things I'll say to this is that one where it gets 1097 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,720 exhausting for me is you know, you you've mentioned this 1098 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,960 before, you said it before and I I believe it's true. 1099 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,200 It's like it just does not have to be this hard. 1100 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,120 Like when you have the right coach and the right setup, you 1101 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,400 look at like Chaka Smart who couldn't get it done in Texas, 1102 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,880 like it's working at Marquette within three years, like boom, 1103 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,520 they're top ten and it's like it. 1104 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,520 You see it happen other places where it's not a a 12 year 1105 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,680 rebuild and you don't need every perfect alchemy to make it work. 1106 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,240 It's just like it starts working and starts working quickly when 1107 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,200 things are lined up. And so it's really frustrating 1108 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,920 hasn't happened here. The thing that I will say to 1109 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,800 consistency where I've changed my tune a little bit is I I do 1110 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,720 think it's a little bit of hypocrisy when you hear all 1111 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:50,720 this. Hey, we just got to have 1112 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,360 consistency because like the part that isn't mentioned is 1113 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,040 like like I said earlier, it has to be with the right coach 1114 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,240 because the same people. And I'm, I'm kind of getting off 1115 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,400 the consistency train because not that I have anything wrong 1116 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,880 with the current, you know, I I have my own feelings. 1117 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,120 But it's like you look back, I I definitely felt like it was a 1118 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,120 time to change off of cream. I definitely felt at the end, 1119 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,560 middle to the end. It was time to move off of 1120 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,600 Archie. But you know, you can't have it 1121 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,320 both ways. In my mind, you can't go back 1122 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,040 and say, man, Archie was a bad hire. 1123 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,440 That really sucked. But also like, hey man, we got 1124 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,880 to have consistency because if you want consistency, you 1125 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,080 shouldn't have fired Archie or you shouldn't have fired cream. 1126 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,920 Like at some point if you want consistency, you've got to stay 1127 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,640 with it. But you can't then be like this 1128 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,040 coach sucks. Like you either get consistency 1129 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,160 or you know you have to be like, we got to get it consistent. 1130 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,080 It's to me, it's like it's got to be consistent with the right 1131 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,680 coach. And I think that's been part of 1132 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,720 the problem is we haven't had the coach that comes in, locks 1133 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,080 in and suddenly turns things around quickly. 1134 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,440 It's always either a slow turn around in Crean's case and then 1135 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,680 you know just a complete fall off, no turn around in Archie's 1136 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,880 case or here where again you have the turn around and then 1137 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,480 the wheels fall off quickly after that turn around. 1138 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,120 That I think gets everybody concerned. 1139 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,760 It's like is this the right person? 1140 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,720 We get in this back and forth. But as I say, the consistency 1141 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,160 argument, I think it's like you it's tough to look back and 1142 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,760 again, we should have fired him, we should have fired him, we 1143 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,800 should have fired him and then be like we also we got to have 1144 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,000 consistency. It's like you can't. 1145 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,680 Not sure you can have both the same time. 1146 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,400 Yeah, I look, ultimately there were good reasons for all the 1147 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,040 coaching moves that were made and I think that's important to 1148 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,920 keep in mind. You know the move off a cream 1149 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,560 was largely because of the fall down and recruiting which Bob 1150 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,400 and Mike accurately and added and I think really effectively 1151 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,440 pointed out on on one of the Exes and Joe's podcast episodes. 1152 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,920 You know, Archie was moved on from because the the team went 1153 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,640 backwards in year four. It didn't, it was not a not 1154 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,600 moving forwards. They weren't breaking through. 1155 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,120 They were doing the opposite, you know with Woodson. 1156 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,200 Look, I think what Woodson did in his first two years grants 1157 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,880 him enough of a benefit of the doubt that you know you, you 1158 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,160 know you need to make some obviously some changes. 1159 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:02,440 But clearly the right mix can lead to a a pretty good level of 1160 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,280 success and that needs to be built upon to where it's higher. 1161 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,920 Where I think though you have to be really cautious and and 1162 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,520 really vigilant if you're IU from an athletic department's 1163 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,920 perspective is you know is what is being done actually moving 1164 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,640 the ball forward and getting you back to where you want to. 1165 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,400 You say you want to get to which is being a national contender. 1166 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,560 And that is a tough thing to figure out. 1167 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,600 I mean I don't I doubt that anybody really thought that this 1168 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,640 season was going to go the way that it went. 1169 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,280 And you know Woodson has contended now in his press 1170 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,840 conference that a large reason for that is injuries. 1171 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,120 I'm very skeptical of that being the reason. 1172 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,240 But whatever the public reasons are, this is where internally, 1173 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,520 as you would with any other sports entity, you got to look 1174 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,080 at it and say a change has to be made because we don't feel that 1175 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,680 the trajectory is is where it needs to be. 1176 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,800 And we don't see evidence that things are changing the way that 1177 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,800 they should. Or you look at it and say we 1178 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,880 have faith that things are going to change and that what's 1179 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,160 happening here is, is not representative of the overall 1180 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,880 project. And look, I mean, at this point, 1181 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,120 we got to see how this is going. Because ultimately what you're 1182 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,120 going to have is a situation where a lot of what happens in 1183 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,160 these last 8 to 12 games of the season, depending on how many 1184 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,760 tournament games Indiana plays and what tournaments they are, 1185 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,360 will help to illustrate what is the underlying culture of IU 1186 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,720 basketball. And you know, that was one of 1187 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,480 the big complaints under Mike Davis. 1188 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,840 It was a huge complaint. It was really what led to Kelvin 1189 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,000 Sampson getting fired. It was what was the problem 1190 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,040 under Tom Crean? It was a problem under Archie. 1191 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,600 Is it still a problem here? And if that's the issue, that 1192 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,240 that's the one thing where I think you can say, look, there's 1193 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,360 there's things you have to do to address that, that go above and 1194 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,640 beyond what recruits are you getting, What portal transfers 1195 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,440 are you getting? You know, what I saw in that 1196 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,480 Ohio State game was OK. Maybe there is a vibe with this 1197 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,120 team. That will demonstrate itself on 1198 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,600 the floor. There's a lot of good individual 1199 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,360 pieces and frankly, it's a very talented team that just hasn't 1200 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,440 meshed. And that's a real concern 1201 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,840 because that to me points back to a cultural issue, which is 1202 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,600 not something I thought we'd see in this era. 1203 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400 And again, I I'm not one of these people sitting here 1204 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,920 saying, well, Mike Woodson should be fired. 1205 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,640 What I am saying is, you know, as a fan and as an observer, 1206 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,800 someone who's watched this team for a long time and talked about 1207 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,680 them for a long time, what I see on the floor really concerns me 1208 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,080 in terms of trajectory. Because, you know, it looks like 1209 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,880 the culture that caused, you know, or allowed Indiana to win 1210 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,520 as many games as they did last year was centered around a few 1211 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,600 players who helped to establish and maintain that culture. 1212 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,240 Those players aren't here anymore and the players that 1213 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,760 would be here next year might be a much different looking roster 1214 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,240 from what you've got this year. And it's really hard to import 1215 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,040 culture if you're not imposing it from the top down. 1216 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,000 And so that is probably, to me, the overriding thing. 1217 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,800 And that's again, something that makes it very frustrating as a 1218 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,480 fan because that is something that is truly out of your 1219 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,640 control and also very hard to talk about with any level of 1220 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,400 confidence in what you're saying actually being the truth. 1221 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,200 Yep, agree with all that. Anyway, any final thoughts? 1222 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,920 We, I said we were going to go about an hour, We've gone an 1223 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,600 hour. We're going to have to save a 1224 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,040 Part 2 coming up soon. There were so many great 1225 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,080 questions, a lot about football. We'll get to those later. 1226 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,600 But any final thoughts in general from you? 1227 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,000 No, no, I think I mean that that win against Ohio State was was 1228 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,800 much needed. I mean the game I I think a lot 1229 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,400 of us kind of like I was kind of like man it's it was good. 1230 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,520 Good to see us get down on the road and then come back fight 1231 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,360 back and find a way to win. Although what was that last 1232 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,360 moment where it's like we're just, you know, it would have 1233 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,200 been unfortunate, it's wild to say as you know, a team that had 1234 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,840 so much success growing up. Like it would have felt like a 1235 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,560 very recent way for IU to lose where it's like we have the 1236 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,080 ball, Khalil where's driving and then like he twists his ankle 1237 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,960 and misses the layup. And it's like that would have 1238 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,520 been just an absurd way to lose if Ohio State would have gotten 1239 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,840 it and then shot it back. But no, I mean that was that was 1240 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,200 a a big win. You know you just you continue 1241 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,480 to hope like is this going to be the turning point. 1242 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,080 You know we've had these moments where they play great against 1243 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,600 Kansas. They can't close it out but it's 1244 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,560 like all right can we take that first 35 minutes bottle it up 1245 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,360 and it didn't seem like we could you know the the IT it feels 1246 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,480 like this is like a you know an engine that's kind of like 1247 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,080 sputtering and you you hear it going and like it, it started. 1248 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,640 It's like, can we get this thing clicking and moving? 1249 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,280 Because that to me that is the to that question about 1250 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:32,800 frustration. Like that's the frustrating part 1251 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,600 is you see this team when it's clicking and going, you're like 1252 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,320 this team is a tournament team, like there there is a core of 1253 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,680 talent and A tournament team there. 1254 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,440 I think that to me is the most frustrating part with this 1255 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,400 season. It's not like we don't have the 1256 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,040 pieces. And no matter what Woodson says 1257 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,680 about injury, even with the people who are injured, I think 1258 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,800 there's still enough talent there on this team to be a, you 1259 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,080 know, mid top Big 10 team in a tournament team. 1260 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,000 It's just not clicking for a variety of things. 1261 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,880 I think that's the frustrating part, but it's nice to see it 1262 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,520 when it does, but it almost becomes more frustrating because 1263 01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,440 it's like, can can we just find a way to extend this out? 1264 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,480 But you know, again, there's there's still, there's still 1265 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,320 some season left, there's still some things to do. 1266 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,720 But I think that's that's my take away from the last couple 1267 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,400 games. I I agree and I think what I 1268 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,640 would say on that front is 2 things, one positive and one 1269 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,400 that will sound negative, but it's just kind of realistic one. 1270 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,520 What made that out of state game great to me was Anthony Leal had 1271 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,400 another big moment and and that was awesome to see and I hope he 1272 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,720 plays more. And Trey Galloway had probably 1273 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,400 his best game in an Indiana uniform all things considered 1274 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,320 and he had to like if Trey Galloway doesn't play as well as 1275 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,560 he plays in that game Indiana doesn't win and and that's not 1276 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,040 to take away from Malik Renew but but for Galloway and for 1277 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,000 Leal to have those moments was really really special and it was 1278 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,120 important in that it's hard to win games on the road in the 1279 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,480 conference. We know that and Indiana Dallas 1280 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,280 two Rd. wins in the conference. The possibly negative thing I'll 1281 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,480 say is that they've got two Rd. wins against the two worst teams 1282 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,240 in the conference Michigan and Ohio State. 1283 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,120 So it's almost like I it's tough to win on the road and I'm not 1284 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,440 trying to take anything away. But I I've tried to temper my 1285 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,280 enthusiasm given that it was an Ohio State team who not only 1286 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,600 looks like they've fallen apart in a much bigger way than 1287 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,440 Indiana has, but Chris Holtman, like already has his bags packed 1288 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,680 and is about 2/3 of the way out the door. 1289 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,720 So like that is clearly like a hard reset situation going on 1290 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,320 right now in Columbus. I give Indiana all the credit in 1291 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,160 the world for taking advantage of it. 1292 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,240 I'm just not sure how transferable either the the 1293 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,080 effort or the outcome is to other games the rest of the 1294 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,800 year, because that's not how Northwestern and Nebraska or 1295 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,880 even like Penn State or Minnesota are right now. 1296 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,240 Those are teams that look a lot hungrier than Ohio State does. 1297 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,200 Last thing, it's funny you mentioned that. 1298 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,200 You know, part of the, to me, the luck piece that comes in is 1299 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,360 like just when you decide to hire a coach, are you in that 1300 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,280 right cycle is like, you know the two biggest names when we 1301 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,640 hired Archie were Archie and Chris Holtman and Holtman had a 1302 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,600 nice bump early and it seems like, like you said, it's 1303 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,400 getting close to hard reset territory. 1304 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,480 It's like you look back at that that cycle of coaching. 1305 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,480 It just might have been you know looking back that there just 1306 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,360 wasn't that option out there, at least in the available coaches 1307 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,840 that we think. I guess everyone's always 1308 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,480 available if you know the Billy Donovan kind of nonsense, but 1309 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,040 it's just, it is interesting. It's like you go back and redo 1310 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,280 that. It's like maybe get Holtman, you 1311 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,440 get 7. More years and you're still in a 1312 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,520 hard reset situation anyway. Just that's the thought I had 1313 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,960 when you mentioned that it's not. 1314 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,240 I mean, look, you never know. It's like Chris Holtman was one 1315 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,240 of the hot commodities along with Archie Miller in that cycle 1316 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,560 and didn't work out for anybody. So yeah, and then just imagine 1317 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,320 you could have had Archie Miller at Ohio State and Chris Holtman 1318 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,160 at Indiana, and we'd probably still be going through the exact 1319 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,960 same thing right now. It's a really fascinating 1320 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,200 alternate timeline. Well you you'll hear all that on 1321 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,160 our Rhode Island, our our Rhode Island Cross for Crossover 1322 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,720 podcast where you talk about things that are our Rhode 1323 01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:58,320 Island. Talk. 1324 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,320 This is where we Yeah, no, that's man, that that would be a 1325 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,920 depressing episode, man. That's the if, if, if podcasts 1326 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,360 are are alcoholic spirits, that's the malort of podcasts. 1327 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,760 So anyway, on that note, we'll go in. 1328 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,480 Yes. Yeah, we'll go ahead and wrap 1329 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,800 up. Remember folks, IU home Field 1330 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,640 drop 10:00 AM Friday. Be there with your credit card. 1331 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,400 You're going to want to use that as quickly as possible. 1332 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,000 Our thanks to our friends at Home Field and the rest of the 1333 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,240 back home network. Our thanks to all of our 1334 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,040 subscribers on Sub stack. We'll be back. 1335 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,080 Big interview about to drop coming up with a former IU 1336 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,400 football great. We'll have that coming up soon 1337 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,720 For Scott. 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