1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,400 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:22,480 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson cast 3 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,360 Galen Clavio Scott Colton joining you. 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,760 It is Thursday, November 21st and the week long odyssey 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 podcast continues here as we get ready for Indiana, Ohio State 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,040 this weekend. We haven't done a preview 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,800 episode all year. So I I'm you're you're inviting 8 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,240 some some cosmic forces that I'm not so so sure about here. 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,320 But I, I'm glad we're going to get a chance to talk about this 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,200 game, one of the biggest in in IU football history and the lead 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,680 up the build up has been really fascinating to watch. 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,120 So we're going to dig into that a little bit and just kind of 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,280 talk about the overall vibe going into this game. 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,800 First, just quick reminder folks were brought to you by home 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,000 field. 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And since we've been doing the 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,520 podcast, I, I look, let's start here, let's talk about the lead 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,560 up to this game before we talk about our thoughts on the game 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,800 and kind of the, the overall reaction of things. 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,760 I, I have two kind of thoughts about it. 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,560 The, the 1st is this, I absolutely love the double 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,160 standard that's out there right now that, you know, there's, 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,680 there's a lot of talk about how, you know, Indiana has to, they 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,000 don't have to win, but they have to at least show respect. 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,680 What we need an eye test to see that Indiana is worthy of being 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,600 in this game. They can't just get blown out 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,880 yet the rest of the season. Eye test doesn't matter. 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Like, we beat the living hell out of Nebraska. 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,560 We, you know, roll over Washington. 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,920 It's like, yeah, those eye tests don't matter. 51 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,760 You know, even the Michigan game, you're up 17 to 3 and it 52 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,360 gets a little mucked up. But you, you kind of owned them. 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,440 You know, we didn't blow them out, but so like, that looks 54 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,520 bad. Like, so the eye testing is 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,640 Michigan matters because that's it. 56 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:55,360 We didn't blow them out. But all the other blowouts don't 57 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,240 matter. It's like I I love like, what 58 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,480 exactly are we looking for here? Like, what is the eye test? 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,080 We need to have that. That is one thing that I found 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,240 very funny through all of. This Yeah, I mean, it's it's 61 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,880 really even interesting when you think about the way that, like 62 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,400 Penn State right now, a team whose best wins are a. 63 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,960 A sizable victory over an insanely overrated Illinois team 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,280 and a road victory against the USC team that has been tripping 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,360 over itself the entire season is somehow getting a huge benefit 66 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,720 of the doubt despite having lost to Ohio State at home. 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,440 And you know, that's a game where their offense only scored 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,160 seven points the entire game. And I'm just, I'm trying to 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,040 think of what the reaction would be for Indiana if they if they 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,080 just put the Penn State performance in that Penn State 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,080 is not being punished for in this Ohio State game. 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,480 They would be they would be mutilated in the press. 73 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,240 And it the whole thing's been fascinating to me. 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 I mean, we noticed this last week a bit, but this week the 75 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,760 discourse has gotten even more intense. 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,600 It feels like Indiana has broken the SEC and is to some degree 77 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,440 broken discourse in college football. 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,080 And, and Tom Fornelli, Nicole Auerbach, there's a couple of 79 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,480 other people that have, I think, done a good job of pointing this 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,880 out. Ari Wasserman from from on 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,560 three. This is what happens when a a 82 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,040 brand that is not already accepted threatens the status 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,320 quo. What you've got is an Indiana 84 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,160 program that is not a Michigan or an Ohio State or even a Penn 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,440 State, like or a Michigan State, a team that's like, or Wisconsin 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,840 A-Team that's like, well, even like Miami's kind of in a 87 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,240 separate categories. They've won so many, you know, 88 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,120 titles and whatnot. But I'm even talking about the 89 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,360 second tier brands like, you know, the Auburns. 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,360 I I would throw into that mix, like teams that have been 91 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,400 competitive, people are like, oh, they're in the playoff. 92 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,240 That makes sense. Indiana represents a threat to 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,120 that status quo. And, you know, SEC fans have 94 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,280 been kind of programmed to think that everything that their 95 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,000 conference does is the best in the, in the country and that 96 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,800 that they're always the best. And what's fascinating about 97 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,400 this process with Indiana is the, and Joel Clap brought this 98 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,320 up on Fox Sports on his podcast. Like the things that Indiana's 99 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,280 getting criticized for. You could point the finger at 100 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,880 like 5 or 6 other teams that are in the mix, including teams 101 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,800 ranked above Indiana, Texas, Penn State. 102 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,120 And they aren't getting harangued. 103 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,600 It's Indiana that's getting harangued. 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,000 And it's become, you know, not to borrow the Miller cop phrase, 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 but it's kind of become Indiana versus everybody over the course 106 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,120 of this last week and a half, two weeks. 107 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:29,240 And to some degree, I think it's good. 108 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,560 It's like a baptism by fire for Indiana into college football. 1 109 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,920 of many things, Scott, we did not expect to be dealing with in 110 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,640 the 2024 season. It is. 111 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,160 It's surreal. The whole thing's been surreal 112 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,480 that we're here in the 1st place, you know? 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,760 It's funny in my notes I have it's funny seeing all the blue 114 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,880 bloods and SEC teams freaking out as somebody dares to break 115 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,000 into their party and even today, I mean, this is I I joke. 116 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,160 This is exactly what I would expect if I asked AI to give me 117 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,800 an Ohio State version of this game. 118 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,160 But there was, you know, Ohio State barstool had a Instagram 119 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,440 post. They were just like literally 120 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,720 straight face like Indiana should forfeit the game because 121 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,160 it's like a forfeit to one O loss like Indiana's just 122 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,720 forfeit. It's like these takes are 123 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,400 insane. What I think is interesting 124 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,480 about it, I'm kind of stealing a tangential thought from Zach 125 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,280 Osterman on his podcast. But you know, you watch the 126 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:19,400 College Football Playoffs and then that show, it's 20 minutes 127 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,360 of just how do you deal with an 11 and one Indiana team? 128 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Like, how do you compare them to this? 129 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,400 Everything is based on the fact that we're going to lose to Ohio 130 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,400 State. Not one effing minute of what if 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Ohio State loses out of the play? 132 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,400 I've never heard that brought up. 133 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,160 Now, you know, we can talk about how we think the game is going 134 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,120 to go, but these are two teams. They are going to play a game. 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,840 Like there's an outcome that could happen. 136 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,320 I've not heard one iota of, is Indiana going to be ranked 137 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,840 number one if they win? What kind of trouble is Ohio 138 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:50,920 State? And if they lose, Like it's wild 139 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,600 that you get people wigging out and freaking out and there's 140 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,160 never even the counterpoint of Indiana could win the game. 141 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,720 And what does that look? Like I will say that that that 142 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,280 does I have seen that like CBS, they had two of their panelists, 143 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,640 I think pick Indiana. Rick Neuheisel picked Indiana in 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,280 this game and you're starting to see it a bit more. 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,040 I because and, and what's been fascinating for me to watch in 146 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,680 this whole process this week especially has been all of these 147 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,000 national reporters finally digging into the stats and being 148 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,040 like, oh, wow, Indiana is actually compares very favorably 149 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,960 to Ohio State. Like these two teams are very 150 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,840 similar to each other and that recognition that's there. 151 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,400 Now there's look, there's a lot of intangibles and and I think 152 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,320 you know, one of the things that gets pointed out accurately. 153 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640 And we've had this talk on some of our podcasts this week, the 154 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,600 podcast I did with Dane Saansenbacher, the pod that 155 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,480 you've hopefully heard already with me and Taylor or me and 156 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,720 Stefan it's. But you don't. 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,440 Indiana hasn't played in these kinds of circumstances before 158 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,680 and, and even the transfers, the James Madison transfers, the 159 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,000 individual transfers from the ACC or the Big 12, this is a 160 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,000 different type of environment. And I think a lot of the 161 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,840 expectation has, the first level of expectation amongst the 162 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,560 national pundits is like, well, of course, of course Indiana's a 163 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,040 fluke. And of course Ohio State's 164 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,440 actually the dominant team here. And so they're going to easily 165 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,320 roll. Then you look at the stats and 166 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,280 you're like, well, maybe not. And so then it becomes, well, 167 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,680 Ohio State's been there and Indiana hasn't. 168 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,760 And I do, I do think that is a big unknown. 169 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,920 And it's the one thing that I keep coming back to in my head 170 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,040 when I think about this match up on paper. 171 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,159 And based upon the way these two teams have played, Indiana 172 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:38,480 clearly has a shot not just to could be competitive, but to 173 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,600 win. You just don't know how 174 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,440 Indiana's going to react in that environment with that many 175 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,040 people with with the pressure of it being such a big game, such a 176 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,880 momentous game. But I also think Ohio State's 177 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,640 got that pressure as well because Ohio State's got a lot 178 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 to lose in this game. You know, they've already got a 179 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:56,840 loss. I think A2 loss. 180 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Ohio State would still get into the playoff, but they have much 181 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,120 grander aspirations than that. And so, yeah, you know, it is 182 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 very one sided. And this is where you would hope 183 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,040 that a team ranked in the top ten, let alone the top five, 184 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:13,440 would attract more direct analysis. 185 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,760 But it's clear in a lot of the commentary, most of these people 186 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,720 didn't watch Indiana at all. If they watch one game and it 187 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 was the Michigan game, and what they drew from the Michigan game 188 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,000 was Indiana must not be very good because they're not blowing 189 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,520 out Michigan where it's like, that's one data point with a lot 190 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,960 of specific items that you have to consider out of a much larger 191 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,880 constellation of data points that all point towards Indiana 192 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,680 being able to be very competitive in this game. 193 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,320 It's just very unusual. Most people aren't used to 194 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,960 seeing that with Indiana playing Ohio State on the road. 195 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:49,760 And that, to me, is what's made this week so much fun, is so 196 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,440 much of the discourse has been based upon the wrong things. 197 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,880 I think right well, and it's it's being treated as like an 198 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,320 oddity, like this is a really weird story. 199 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,240 It's not being viewed as A2 top five matchups like you're not 200 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,880 again, kind of stealing Ostrom and stuff. 201 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,800 But it's like you see nothing about Ryan Day's record against 202 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,560 top five teams in relation to the game this weekend. 203 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,400 It's it's more like this oddity of can a upstart like Indiana 204 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,760 actually compete at Ohio State? It's, you know, and you 205 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,920 mentioned, you know, I'm, I'm interested in both sides, but it 206 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,680 does feel like there is more pressure on Ohio State because 207 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:28,560 if, if you look at how a lot of the Indiana games have gone, 208 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,000 they come out to big league. Even the games we haven't looked 209 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,680 great, like the Michigan game, we're still up 17 to three. 210 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,840 I, I was thinking that this morning, you know, if, if we go 211 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,800 up 17 to three at any point in the first half against Ohio 212 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,000 State, all the pressure is on them. 213 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,400 I mean, suddenly it's like, what what the hell is going on? 214 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,360 If we put the blitz on them like it's 28 to 7, like we did 215 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,040 against Nebraska, all the pressure is on them. 216 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,200 There's even a world where, you know, if Ohio State goes up 14 217 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,280 or 17 to nothing, I'm not comfortable. 218 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,320 But you look back to a couple years ago, they went up 28 219 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,680 nothing on that Pennix team. And then kind of like, all 220 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,080 right, you know, Indiana sucks. We got it and then Indiana came 221 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,280 roaring back. There's it feels like there's 222 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,080 more paths for Ohio State to have pressure on them then there 223 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,040 is paths for Indiana to feel the weight of the pressure, as weird 224 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,920 as that sounds. No, I mean, it's kind of two 225 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,600 sides of the coin in as much as most of the most of the analysis 226 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,360 around the game and the actual playing of the game and the way 227 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,600 that people think it's going to go. 228 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,200 I've, I've noticed a real turn in in that analysis as people 229 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,800 have realized that Indiana offensively far more resembles 230 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Oregon than resembles Penn State. 231 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Now that you, you can say on the one hand that, well, I you 232 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,600 racked up all of those numbers against teams that aren't very 233 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,000 good, which I, I don't think is a really good way of looking at 234 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,040 it. But whatever you, you do you 235 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,240 straw person, you know, and or scarecrow. 236 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,960 Yeah, scarecrow, man. But the flip side, I talked 237 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,440 about this on one of the earlier shows like, yes, give Ohio State 238 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,680 credit for beating Oregon. Or if you're losing to or they 239 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,000 lose, they lose to Oregon, They beat Penn State, they beat 240 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Nebraska. They racked up a lot of yards 241 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,760 and a lot of statistical superiority in the other games 242 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,400 that they played, which were not competitive. 243 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,440 And we're not against particularly good competition. 244 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,160 I mean, Iowa, Michigan State, NIH, Purdue, no Northwestern, 245 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,800 no. And then a bunch of Mac schools. 246 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,240 It's like, this is this is not a murderer's row in terms of like 247 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,080 where you've actually established your dominance. 248 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,080 And so, so much for me, it's like, can Indiana handle the 249 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,760 moment emotionally and mentally? And I have to give Kurt Signetti 250 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,040 and his staff credit. You don't turn around a team's 251 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,480 emotions and mentality the way they have already with this 252 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,160 roster, A team that was was expected to finish 17th in the 253 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,360 conference, a team that hadn't played together in in their 254 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,000 current form before the season started. 255 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,200 You don't do that and then suddenly forget how to reach 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,680 those players mentally and emotionally going into a game 257 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:57,720 like this. And I also think, you know, if 258 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,400 Indiana can overcome that, then it's a matter of have they 259 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,920 demonstrated that they can physically match up against Ohio 260 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,760 State? Can they make throws? 261 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,400 Can they make runs? Can they make tackles? 262 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,480 Can they, you know, get chaos going on the defensive side? 263 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,400 And if you want to point to the Michigan game and say, well, the 264 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Michigan game was a bad game for Indiana, I'll flip it around and 265 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,200 say the Michigan game to me demonstrated that they could go 266 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,200 toe to toe physically with a superior opponent, that they 267 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,360 could find ways to win when their opponent took away their 268 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,680 top two or three options. And you, you stack that on top 269 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:30,360 of having an extra week to prepare. 270 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:33,640 And the fact that this is this is a really good Ohio State team 271 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,000 with really talented players, but not at the places where 272 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Indiana is the strongest, which is in the trenches. 273 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,640 It makes for a really fascinating Stew of things which 274 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,600 have made it impossible for me to have any sense of how the 275 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,520 game's going to go like I have I I could not make a prediction 276 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,520 right now if I tried. Scott no, it's wild. 277 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,080 I can see it going any different direction. 278 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,520 One point about all the offensive stats the other pieces 279 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,280 never mentioned is a lot of those were racked up with a 280 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,960 backup quarterback for a game and a half, you know, half 281 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,320 Nebraska. Like that's just never also 282 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,720 mentioned. Like this team just kept rolling 283 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,280 with that. I'm, I'm going to take the other 284 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,880 side of the coin here for one second, though that I, I do, I, 285 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,480 I, I mean everything I just said and I, I, I don't like the, the 286 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,600 double standard kind of the, the, the pro SEC love that's out 287 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,560 there and kind of this, what the hell is Indiana doing? 288 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,520 I, I will say this and I do mean this honestly, that what is at 289 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,920 stake here is I, I do believe Indiana. 290 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,160 I don't think they're going to get their doors blown off, but I 291 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,680 do think what would happen if they lose, you know, 49 to 292 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,120 nothing or they go down, you know, 35 nothing or 35 three and 293 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,720 just get throttled. I as we can talk about that 294 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,440 later, but I do think you're really putting yourself at peril 295 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,320 to maybe getting bounce from the College Football Playoff it and 296 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,600 it's just because it's big boy stuff. 297 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,160 I mean, it would, you would have a real argument that would be 298 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,440 tough to compare. That's like, look, man, this is 299 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:57,840 big boy, this is big boy football. 300 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,520 You're trying to win a national championship here. 301 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,720 You it is one data point, but you really did not make the 302 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,360 mark. And I, I think that's what's at 303 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,440 stake here. As much as I agree with all of 304 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,760 the, the double standard and the view and all that, like, I do 305 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,000 think that is a real concern is they just, they cannot get their 306 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,680 doors blown off. Because if that happens, I think 307 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,560 you can make a real argument. It's like, you know, yes, other 308 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,480 teams have multiple shots, but it's like we're we're we're 309 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,880 trying to pick a national champion here. 310 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,680 Like you've got to be able to compete with the big boys at 311 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,000 least at some level. So that that is. 312 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,440 But again, I I don't think that's going to happen, but I 313 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,400 just wanted to say that. Well, I mean, look, sure, I I 314 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,640 don't necessarily disagree. I, I guess my thought process on 315 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,960 it is more this. I mean, first of all, I've 316 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,760 wondered this for years. Where the hell did get their 317 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,680 doors blown off come from? Like what does that even like 318 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,880 that? That's that's. 319 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,160 Pirate thing. It's probably like. 320 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,720 In the last 10 years, and I've never actually thought about it. 321 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,840 And the more I think about it is like, I don't really understand 322 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,360 why that's a good phrase and that's not an attack on you. 323 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,640 I have another person I podcast with that says it all the time. 324 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,680 No, it's fine. But I say it wrong is like 325 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,000 maybe, maybe no. No, you said it right. 326 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,080 You absolutely said it right. But but putting putting the 327 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,440 doors blown off thing aside, I do think that it's interesting 328 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:20,240 the the idea of what is Indiana owe college football in terms of 329 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:26,760 its performance in this game. I mean, Texas hosted Georgia, 330 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Texas lost by double digits. What else have they done? 331 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,200 Did they owe they, they clearly didn't owe college football 332 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,120 anything other than winning at Vanderbilt, I think, or whatever 333 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,240 it is. Like that feels like, like, why 334 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,040 is that OK? Why if you know, Penn State 335 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,960 loses by 7 points at home to the one team that they had to beat 336 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,800 at home and it's the same team going. 337 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,160 And I this was actually an argument I remember us making in 338 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,760 2020 where it's like, you know, people like, well, you can't 339 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,440 complain about getting replaced in the Big 10 championship game 340 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,240 by Ohio State. You lost to Ohio State and 341 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,440 that's like we lost on the road at Ohio State in a game where 342 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,160 all the momentum was Indiana for the last two quarters. 343 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,200 How like I always love how in college football, the location 344 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,920 of the game matters until it's inconvenient for the argument. 345 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,119 And then it's like, well, you lost to them. 346 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,560 It doesn't matter. And I would say the same thing 347 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,760 with Ohio State. Like I don't punish them for 348 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,800 losing at Oregon by a point. They lost at Oregon by a point. 349 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,840 That's not a neutral site game. You know, it's not a game where 350 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,160 you can say, well, gosh, if you were really that good, you would 351 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,320 have beaten them. Now, I do think for Indiana, 352 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,120 it's like if you go out and embarrass yourself, which feels 353 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,040 very unlikely given this group. But if they went out and 354 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,840 embarrassed themselves, then look, I, I think that you may 355 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,760 it'd be much harder to make the argument that you're one of the 356 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,880 the top at large teams in the country. 357 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,920 And I think that if that happens, and again, I don't 358 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,920 think it's going to happen, I feel like this team is too well 359 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,200 coached, They're too focused. But if it did happen as Indian. 360 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,480 Football fans like we're contractly obligated to bring up 361 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,360 as an option, but I but. I but I would say I'm fine with 362 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:10,280 it. And, and like, I mean, and, and 363 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,880 I think all you can do if you're a program like Indiana, all you 364 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,880 can do if you are the players on the roster, all you can do if 365 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,360 you're Curt Signetti is asked to be in the position that they're 366 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:24,080 in going into this weekend, they are a top five. 367 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,320 And you know, I'll note like all the complaints about the 368 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,880 committee overrating Indiana. Indiana is fifth in the nation 369 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,920 by a panel of journalists who vote every week who didn't have 370 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Indiana ranked at the beginning of the season. 371 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,440 And they have chosen to rank Indiana 5th. 372 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,160 So you can't say this is the committee going, you know, off 373 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,560 the rails. This is the consensus of the 374 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,320 country right now. And obviously, you update that 375 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,160 with a new data point because you get to see them play against 376 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,680 a really good opponent on the road. 377 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,920 I don't know what the expectation is for Indiana in 378 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,640 terms of what they have to do, but I do think that unless it's 379 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,080 like a 52 to three kind of thing, you know, unless Indiana 380 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,200 just looks like they don't belong on the same field, it'd 381 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,200 be hard for me to say, oh, yeah, they clearly don't deserve to be 382 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,280 in the College Football Playoff because of how dominant they've 383 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,280 been the whole rest of the season. 384 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,360 So it to me, it's like, I don't want to think too much more 385 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,240 about it because it's like, why engage in that thought process? 386 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,040 But I do think it's really fascinating to think about like, 387 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,800 the idea that IU, and this is what I hate about the framing of 388 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,280 all of this. It's wormed its way into the 389 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,680 mindsets of people that somehow Indiana owes it to college 390 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:43,640 football to demonstrate that they are a, you know, a force to 391 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,240 be reckoned with. And it's like they've done that 392 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,680 already this season. This is not new. 393 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,360 What they, what they, what, you know, the idea that, Oh, well, 394 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:55,280 if they don't, you know what, within 10 points that suddenly 395 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,760 they just don't belong in the playoffs at all. 396 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,880 I just, I reject that reasoning out of hand. 397 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,760 Unfortunately, I'm not the one that makes those decisions. 398 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,160 But fortunately, the committee is. 399 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,760 And they have been pretty consistent in saying, you know, 400 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,280 it's not just about who you play, it's about how you play. 401 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,560 And it's also implicitly based upon their rankings. 402 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,320 How many losses do you have? And it seems incredibly unlikely 403 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,360 that even with a loss there that Indiana would have more than 404 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,880 one. And that still should matter. 405 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,640 I got to say I give you real credit when you make me laugh 406 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,960 out loud on one of your other pods with You're talking about 407 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,800 curvy smart. It's like I just don't know what 408 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,240 they look for. It's like they're looking for 409 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:27,920 wins. Curvy. 410 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,640 It's a weird, oh, very odd metric. 411 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,720 I think they're looking for wins. 412 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,680 But the other thing at play here too, that is just I feel like 413 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,320 isn't mentioned enough is when you take out all of the 414 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,480 automatic bids by conferences. You know there are what, 8 at 415 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,760 large bids, they're going to be filled up by Big 10 and SEC 416 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,040 teams like that is you, you you've talked about it a lot in 417 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,360 the offseason. That is who's running college 418 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,160 football. That's not news to anybody. 419 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,720 If Indiana doesn't make it, there is no other team in the 420 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,840 Big 10 that takes its place. And and so this is, you know, 421 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,400 people are doing this a little bit unfairly jockeying, like 422 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,800 trying to pump up the SE is the S ES, trying to get 5 and the 423 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,960 big to get the Big 10 three because it's not like, look at 424 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,000 the Big 10. There's no Iowa, Washington, you 425 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,120 know, to, to paraphrase Pitino, they're not walking through that 426 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,120 door like it's either Indiana or it's three Big 10 teams and 427 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,360 that's it. So a lot of this talk from the 428 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,320 SEC schools is even less about Indiana. 429 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320 It's more just we want to load it up with SEC schools. 430 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,080 But again, I go to the these are there's two leaders at at play 431 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,080 here and they both want to be running college football. 432 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,320 And they're both probably going to say like, look, I don't the 433 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,280 Big 10 doesn't want to just kowtow to the SEC to this 434 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,720 because then they'll never hear the end of it. 435 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,240 So there's politics at play there that I think also help 436 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,440 Indiana. I agree. 437 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,880 I've been talking about this for a while and you and I talked 438 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560 about it a little bit last time, but I think people need to 439 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,800 understand like this is not 2020. 440 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,520 You know, I, the big 10 had a vested interest in, and I don't 441 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,200 agree with it. I, I hate the way that they 442 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,120 handled it. It was, it was disgusting, but 443 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:11,080 the Big 10 felt like they had a vested interest in being in a 444 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,520 position where the best team could compete in a four team 445 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,200 playoff. That's not here. 446 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,160 It is not about the best team. It's about volume, right? 447 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:23,160 How many teams do you get in? And for all the people that have 448 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,280 said, oh, the committee's going to screw IU, the committee's, 449 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,880 the committee chairman is an AB in the Big 10 or the Big 10 450 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,480 wants to screw Indiana. Why would the Big 10 want to 451 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,680 chop one of its own nuts off in this? 452 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,720 Like, why would they be like, no, no, we couldn't possibly 453 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,000 have Indiana in the College Football Playoff. 454 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,080 There's no other nominee besides Oregon, Ohio State and Penn 455 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,000 State. Would you rather have 4, four 456 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,520 teams in the tournament or would you rather have three teams in 457 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,120 the tournament? You. 458 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,000 Can give your number one rival another? 459 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Team there's there's no scenario right He's. 460 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,360 Not going to the ACC. Target committee is not buying a 461 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,600 burner phone, getting Ward manual on and say Ward, we, we 462 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,280 got to keep Indiana out of the playoffs. 463 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,920 It's just not happening. So, you know, I do think a lot 464 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,600 of this really comes down to there's a narrative being pushed 465 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,480 and it's being pushed by SEC sources clearly that Indiana 466 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920 doesn't belong, SEC schools belong. 467 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,120 And that's what it comes down to. 468 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,760 And I, and I keep saying this, when the rankings come out, what 469 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,400 we see in the rankings does not match that narrative. 470 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,840 And so for me, it's like, I even the scenario where Indiana gets 471 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,440 blown out, I mean, it could be a bad day. 472 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,400 Curtis Rourke could twist an ankle, who knows? 473 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Like, you know, there's there's all kinds of random things like 474 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,880 you got to take it in totality. You have to see what The thing 475 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,160 is. But the idea that it would just 476 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,160 be something where Indiana gets left by the wayside because 477 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,000 they're inconvenient. You got an entire one of the two 478 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,960 most powerful conferences in college sports fighting against 479 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,400 that because it would be bad for them if that happened. 480 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,160 And I think that that's something that we are so used to 481 00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:00,760 being put upon by as Indiana fans in football by the 482 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,880 establishment that that is the natural inclination. 483 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,520 So, you know, This is why I've kind of stopped engaging in that 484 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,320 kind of of thought process or debate because to me it's like 485 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,040 you're in a great spot. If you're Indiana, you make a 486 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040 good accounting of yourself. You're you're in the College 487 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,760 Football Playoff. No one's going to say a word. 488 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:21,560 You go in and win the game. You're you might be the number 489 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,840 one team in the country. I think you would have a real 490 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,360 argument to say like, I just I want one minute of fun for that. 491 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,320 Like you go in and win that game, which I think I don't know 492 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600 if we're going to do prediction like final predictions or not. 493 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,640 I'm not giving a prediction. That's fine, That's fine. 494 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,880 I, I think, I, I think there's a real chance they could win this 495 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,280 game. And if they do, just let's have 496 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,800 fun. It's the only time we can do it. 497 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,360 I think they come out and it's like, all right, you really have 498 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,160 an argument to be the number one team in the country because 499 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,600 right now the number one team is Oregon and you have a common 500 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,600 opponent now and that's Ohio State and IU play them on the 501 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,400 road and they would have won on the road presumably by more than 502 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,880 one. But even if it's by one, it's 503 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,800 like that's Rd. versus home. Somehow, somehow Penn State 504 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,280 still going to be above us. I'm sure Penn sale just move to 505 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520 one. But you know, you to me, it's 506 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,720 like you, you, you are the number one team in the country 507 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,880 and you you probably should get that. 508 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,240 And and then, you know, it's, it would be a wild narrative to see 509 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,120 what the SEC talks about. Then, you know, it's, it's like, 510 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,800 well, are they, are they really for real? 511 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,800 Like we'll, we'll have to see it if they can do in the College 512 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,520 Football Playoff, like. I mean, so much of this is is 513 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,560 hypothetical. And look, as we've talked about, 514 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240 like Ole Miss could lose to Florida, Texas could lose to 515 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,920 Texas A&M, Georgia could lose a third game, Alabama could lose a 516 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,040 third game, Tennessee could lose to Vanderbilt. 517 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960 I mean, there's so many things these SEC schools are trying to 518 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,560 insulate themselves against bad results. 519 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,720 And it you know, again, we are still we're three weeks away or 520 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,200 whatever it is from from the selection show. 521 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,880 We're we're a long way from all of this mattering. 522 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,200 There's so much football to be played, including the games this 523 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,240 weekend. So the discourse, while it's 524 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280 been entertaining, is ultimately meaningless. 525 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,720 And, and so much of this really just comes down to what happens 526 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,560 this week, next week in the conference championship games. 527 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,200 There's a ton of football, There's a ton of scenarios. 528 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,480 Even if Indiana loses this game and it looks despondent or you 529 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840 get despondent because it looks bad for Indiana, there's a lot 530 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,480 left to happen, right? And, and when you take the 531 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,760 totality of the updated strength of schedule with Ohio State in 532 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,120 it, you know, hopefully blowing Purdue out by 70 points or 533 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,160 whatever it is, other results elsewhere, I just the, the 534 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,960 playoff predictor numbers are not, they're not lying. 535 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,360 All right. Indiana, I really do think has 536 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200 a, a 90 to 7% chance of making the playoff. 537 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,280 And I think Indiana fans should take some, some some heart in 538 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000 that. But I also think I just want all 539 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,280 of everybody's energy focused on Indiana beating Ohio State 540 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,880 because I do think it's a possibility. 541 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,480 The more I've dug into the numbers, it's going to take 542 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800 Indiana playing their best game of the year and it's going to 543 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,600 take Ohio State making some mistakes or, or not being able 544 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760 to handle Indiana from a physical perspective. 545 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:08,000 But it, you know, we've seen worse Indiana teams play better 546 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,280 against Ohio State than you would have expected. 547 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,920 I expect a, a, a really good Indiana team to make a good 548 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,440 accounting of themselves in this game. 549 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480 And, and at this point, though, I feel at peace with it. 550 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Like I, I, I couldn't be more confident in a team and a 551 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,800 coaching staff and what they've shown throughout the course of 552 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,640 this year and how different they are from what we're used to 553 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,600 seeing. So I'm really excited about that 554 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,560 and I hope that the the rest of the folks in IU and Who's Your 555 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,640 nation are feeling a similar thing. 556 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,320 I agree. I think we have a better coach. 557 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,440 He's at two weeks to prepare and I, I do really believe in that. 558 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080 I think there's a lot of paths where it can get really funky 559 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320 for Ohio State. If, if, if we come out and start 560 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,480 really hot or play well or just keep it close or we get up 10/3, 561 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,920 suddenly there's a lot of pressure on Ohio State to do a 562 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,280 lot of stuff and they're going to be the ones feeling the 563 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,120 pressure. I want to ask you this before we 564 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,920 get out of here. I'm very curious, what are you 565 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,760 wearing and who you and where are you going to sit? 566 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,880 Who you sitting with? Like what? 567 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,360 What do you what do you wear going into the horseshoe for a 568 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,080 game like this? Well, it's tough. 569 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,440 It's because it's going to be chilly and I don't have a good 570 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,000 white IU. I've got my old Script oatmeal 571 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,240 hoodie. I might actually have to bring 572 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,720 that one out. I haven't worn the Script 573 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,960 Oatmeal hoodie since Actually, Connor from Home Field kind of 574 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480 jokingly forbade me from wearing that because I have one of the 575 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,840 original script hoodies and it is so worn that you can barely 576 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760 see the Indiana. But I think that's probably 577 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,960 going to end up being the choice. 578 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,160 I haven't totally decided yet. Now I am sitting by myself. 579 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,840 I bought a solo ticket. I am sitting in the, I don't 580 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,280 know what end zone it is, but it's not the, it's not the end 581 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,520 zone with the really tall side. It's the other one. 582 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,440 And I'm in, I'm in the lower level, but I'm about 25 rows up. 583 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,280 And that's, that's the plan. So we're going. 584 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,400 I'm rolling over Friday, late afternoon, we're going to meet 585 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,400 up. Are you with IU section or you 586 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,040 just? Bought it off a SeatGeek. 587 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,040 So I might I'm going to probably be right in the middle of a 588 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,880 bunch of Ohio State people and that's fine. 589 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,240 You know, I mean, they're they're they don't scare me, but 590 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,840 it's going to be an interesting experience. 591 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480 I mean, I don't get a lot of chances to go and and really go 592 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,520 behind enemy lines like that in the stadium. 593 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,080 So a bunch of stuff still up in the air all year I have I've 594 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,400 tried to make a last minute judgment call about what I'm 595 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,520 actually going to wear when I go in. 596 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,760 A lot of it's going to depend on what the weather ends up being 597 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,040 because the forecast has been all over the place the last 598 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,440 couple of days. It's kind of settling down. 599 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,320 It doesn't look as going to be quite as cold as it originally 600 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680 looked like it was going to be, which I'm appreciative of 601 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,280 certainly if you know me. But yeah, that's the that's the 602 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,280 plan and I'm just excited to get the whole thing started. 603 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,600 Yeah, I'm, I'm going to look. I'm looking forward to hearing 604 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,000 your reaction from it. And I'm, I'm fired up for the 605 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,320 game. My son, I coach my son in 606 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640 basketball. He has a game at 1:00 on 607 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,760 Saturday. So I'm like, do I just try and 608 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760 go radio silent and just catch up later? 609 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,520 Do I just have watch the game? And then when I start coaching 610 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,320 my son's team just kind of have in the back? 611 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,640 I'm not sure. What would you do? 612 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,320 I, I, I would have, I would have given up coaching youth sports. 613 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,120 I mean, I mean, you can't, you can't time shift this. 614 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,720 You've got to, you've got to be monitoring it in real. 615 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,800 Time, OK. So just I, I miss, I miss the 616 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,080 second quarter basically. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I 617 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 don't think you have a choice to me, because you're going to, if 618 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,640 you're going to tear your hair out trying to keep track of 619 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640 what's going on in the game. Yeah, and time shifting just 620 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,800 doesn't work. It doesn't work. 621 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,120 And, and, and so I would just, you know, invest in it however 622 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,480 you can for however long you can and we'll see where things go. 623 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,160 But that would that would be my recommendation to you. 624 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,680 OK, I, I appreciate that and I will take that to heart. 625 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,160 And I'm looking forward to Sunday, man. 626 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,320 It's going to be I, I, I'm just saying, I'm letting everyone 627 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,120 know this. There will be immense cursing on 628 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Sunday if we win. Like it's just going to be. 629 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,240 We might. Yeah, that we might have to. 630 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,160 That'll be an explicit one. No ads. 631 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,560 Sorry. Sorry to everyone, but I, I do, 632 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,720 I think we have a real chance, but like you, I have a hard time 633 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520 making a prediction. I also it there's just I've 634 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,160 changed a lot this year as an IU fan, I've gotten a lot more 635 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,480 confident Saying we're going to go into the horseshoe and win is 636 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,880 just like that is a bridge beyond anything I've ever 637 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,960 thought is possible. I predict it's going to be a 638 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160 close game. Yeah, and I by close I mean like 639 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,840 2 scores either way. I mean, the other thing too I 640 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,280 was thinking about is, you know, Rourke's from Ohio. 641 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600 He's an Ohio kid who probably wanted to go to Ohio State. 642 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,240 And how many times have we seen this in Indiana? 643 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,360 You know, last year, the kid from Army, there's always some 644 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,760 kid from Indiana in basketball who comes back and just torches 645 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,080 us in Assembly Hall and has the biggest game. 646 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,920 This would be this would be a moment for Rourke to do it in 647 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,240 Ohio, to do it Ohio State. I mean, this there's so much 648 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,560 obviously at stake here. Even just the idea if Rourke has 649 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,520 a game like just just torches has, you know, four or five 650 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,600 touchdowns and looks dynamite. He's in the Heisman 651 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,560 conversation. It's. 652 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,080 Going to be fascinating. I actually made that point on 653 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,920 this the the preview I did with Stefan. 654 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,320 If Indiana's going to win, I think it is a Heisman moment for 655 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,760 Rourke that makes it happen. I mean, he's he, he has to have, 656 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,800 he hasn't had a 300 yard game since Northwestern. 657 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,400 You know, I mean, it's one of those where he's really going to 658 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,440 have to be dealing out there. And I think he's got a a good 659 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,000 opportunity with the match ups on the edge to, to be able to do 660 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,160 that. So we'll see what happens, but 661 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,200 we'll we'll wrap this one up and. 662 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,920 Have fun, be safe, travel. It's going to be wild looking 663 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,080 forward to it and we'll certainly look forward to 664 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,000 chatting about it on Sunday. For those of you that that don't 665 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,440 know, we always do our recap pod. 666 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,480 It'll be a little later on Sunday because I got to drive 667 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,960 back. I'm not driving back till Sunday 668 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,520 morning. So might be a little bit later 669 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,680 in the in the the late morning, early afternoon, depending on 670 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,560 when we get out of there. But we will certainly have 671 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,200 something on Sunday to talk about what happened. 672 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,040 Anyway, Scott, as always a pleasure and thank you all you 673 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,920 folks. Hopefully all the content this 674 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,040 week was helpful as you get ready to watch it. 675 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,080 Ohio State top five match up from the Horseshoe coming up on 676 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,040 Saturday at noon. My thanks to home field, our 677 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040 presenting sponsor, and my thanks to the whole back home 678 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,600 network for Scott. I'm Galen. 679 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,880 This is Crimson cast. We'll catch you folks. 680 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,200 On the flip side, bring back the bison, stay never daunted. 681 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,560 That's all, everybody.