1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,720 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast and 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,280 happy 4th of July everybody. Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:31,680 joining you on the show. And we are living it up. 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,080 It's Independence Day weekend or week, I guess it's always 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,200 interesting when these holidays fall on like, a Tuesday, 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Wednesday or Thursday, Scott. I mean, you know, like Memorial 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,640 Day, it's Monday. It's part of a weekend, no 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,040 problem. Labor Day, it's part of a 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,320 weekend, you know. But Independence Day, probably 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,840 more than any of the other ones, is like a wild card. 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Like, yeah, the Christmas, when Christmas happens, it's or, you 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,920 know, you got that week and the new year. 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,640 It's like all part of the same like holiday complex. 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,080 But obviously I think everybody loves it when the 4th of July 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,000 happens like this in the middle of the week for almost every 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,440 reason except the parades. Because it's like, you know, 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,440 that we've been having this debate in our neighborhood. 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,720 Like are we having a parade on the 4th? 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,880 It looks like not because it's supposed to rain down here. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,840 Does that mean we've been pushed it to the weekend? 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,640 Should it just be there already? Is that when the fireworks 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,560 happen? But on the flip side, it's like 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,000 I feel like everybody on the in the United States is probably 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,160 taking at least part of Friday off, if not the entire Friday 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,440 and and maybe taking today off as well. 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,200 So happy 4th Scott, I guess is my message to you. 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,200 Yeah, and to me, the 4th is always like the apex of summer 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,360 'cause you, you, you get out of school and then June's kind of 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,800 like, man, like I got to, you know, just enjoy summer And you 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,480 kind of do a couple things in June and it's like June always 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,080 seems to go pretty long in my mind. 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,920 And then you get to the 4th of July and then it's like, 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,920 normally there's a couple of camps for the kids. 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Maybe you take one week of vacation. 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,960 But next thing you know, it's like you're staring down the 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,480 barrel of, you know, for my wife starting school teaching again, 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,480 it's like, man, we're three weeks away from the start. 39 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Like after the 4th, it just becomes a quick downhill sled 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,000 right into school starting. And I'm sure you're thinking 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,920 exactly what my wife thinks, cuz I'm always like two weeks like 42 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:17,440 stop it. Why are you bringing that up? 43 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,240 Like we're still in summer. I mean, and look, as a, as a 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,160 college educator myself, I, I can see it coming. 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,840 And you know, even though the, you know, the elementary school 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,160 and and middle school and high school go back earlier in 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,360 August, like ridiculously early, in my opinion, we've got that 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,280 coming on the horizon as well. So yes, I, I feel it quite 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,800 keenly. Why you brought it up, I have no 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,640 idea. But I also will say that I feel 51 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:46,440 like July still feel safe. I don't really feel like when 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,040 I'm in July, I feel like I'm in a, a nice protected bubble of 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,160 time off for the most part. As someone who teaches, I, I 54 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,240 obviously many of you out there do not feel that way because 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,040 you're working throughout the course of, of the full year. 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,800 And I'm, I'm frankly still working myself. 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,280 I'm in the office. But like, it's the pressure, the 58 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,320 added pressure of like everybody being, I think living in a 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,080 college town like Bloomington, it's like a specific type of 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,120 unique feeling. Because Bloomington for those of 61 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,800 you who you will, you know, 'cause you grew up here and for 62 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,640 those of you who have lived in Bloomington and have taken the 63 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:25,400 time to do a Bloomington summer, it is vacant down here. 64 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,280 Like you'll, and even more so now. 65 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,640 Like it used to be that people would come to Bloomington for 66 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,040 the, the first part of the summer. 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,720 You'd have I core kids or you'd have people doing summer school. 68 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 That really hasn't happened much now after the pandemic, 69 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Bloomington is kind of a ghost town. 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,840 And so even though you're right, you know, the, the school year 71 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,520 and, and all of that pressure is on the horizon, it does feel 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,680 like a weird Oasis up right up until the end of July in 73 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Bloomington and probably in other college towns because 74 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,240 there's just nobody around. It's the thing that I'm maybe 75 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,960 miss, one of the things I miss quietly most about living in 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,240 Bloomington year in, year out and growing up there is that 77 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,240 you're right. Like even when there was a lot 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,960 of summer school going on, like the late June, mid-july, it's 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,640 just, it is the, the hibernation period for Bloomington. 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Like everything is empty, Everything's available. 81 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,640 And it's one of those things you can go back for a day or two, 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,440 but like living in it like you are now, it's like the, the city 83 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,600 has so much bustle for a small town with college when it's in 84 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:25,880 that when it's out, it is such a weird month. 85 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,120 So I, I, I know exactly what you're saying. 86 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,320 The other thing that I will just, you know, having a 87 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,160 podcast, I will make one request here for one of our not sure if 88 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,880 he listens, but a friend of yours, but I don't want to call 89 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,800 him out, but IU Gray on Instagram. 90 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,720 So he knows who he is. He's doing what I've always 91 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,360 wanted to do as a kid who played tennis growing up in high 92 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,560 school. I always get into Wimbledon. 93 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:51,000 Jeremy Gray. I don't want to just I want to 94 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,720 at least have something that this Twitter handle, I'm not 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,960 trying to call him out, but you did. 96 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,160 So there you go. Jeremy Gray, if you're 97 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,800 listening, he has some pictures posted at Wimbledon. 98 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,560 These are not. These are on public social media 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,040 places. I have always wanted to go to 100 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,960 Wimbledon. I watch it every year. 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,120 I love it. It see getting tickets seems 102 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,560 tough. So reach out man. 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Let me know how you got the tickets and let let's talk 104 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,320 'cause that's that's been like highlight of my sports bucket 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,280 list as we talk about July things. 106 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,960 I you, you too. I greatly admire both of you and 107 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,040 you both love tennis and I, I don't like tennis to me is is a 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,520 sport that I've never been able to get connected to on an 109 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,280 emotional level. So I'm always, I'm always 110 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:34,480 fascinated by that, the people who have the emotional 111 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,880 connection to tennis and who want to go to these, you know, 112 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,560 kind of temples of the game. And Wimbledon obviously is is 113 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,200 probably the biggest one of them all. 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,960 I don't know. I find the whole thing 115 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,800 fascinating. If it looks very amazing, yeah, 116 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,800 I did. I have nothing else to say on it 117 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,920 besides that. But I took my dad in like 2016 118 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,240 to the US Open and it's, it's a cool experience because you have 119 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,320 that and we'll we'll get on to others. 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Thanks for watching Crips and Cast July and Tennis Talk. 121 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,560 You ever watch Pat McAfee? They they barely even have a 122 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,320 topic most of the time. We're doing fine. 123 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 The audience is not asking for an apology here. 124 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,840 That's fair. But you go to an what, what I 125 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,320 found really cool about it is you have center court, you have 126 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,680 Court One. Obviously all the other courts 127 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,400 are just kind of come first come first serve, at least in the US 128 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,560 Open. And I think it's from what I've 129 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,120 read, it's that way at all the other majors and they have 18 130 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,200 courts. So you can walk around And it's 131 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,600 like I was watching, you know, mixed double S the time. 132 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,040 And there was Martina Hingis. I'm like, you know, 4 rows back 133 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,800 watching her in a mixed double S. 134 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,480 There's a lot of juniors and you could just go and sit like 135 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,040 second row. And it's like, you know, court 136 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,760 17 out there. And I'm not sure if Wimbledon is 137 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,680 a little more intimate, but This Is Us Open and they had full 138 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,560 crowds, but most people don't kind of go out to the other. 139 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,280 And that's where we spend most of for a time. 140 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:49,200 And it's just like you're still watching high level elite tennis 141 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,360 and it's still a really cool area. 142 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,120 So I I'm my goal is to get to all four majors at some point. 143 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,440 It is. It's always interesting to me 144 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,440 what we do for certain sports and not others. 145 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Like the NCAA tournament could hypothetically be held in a huge 146 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,200 multi court complex with games all happening simultaneously. 147 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,880 Or, or the Indiana high school tournament could be, could 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,720 theoretically be be like held that way. 149 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,080 Yet we don't do that. We we hold it in individual 150 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,520 spots. So I always think about, well, 151 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,840 what would the tournament look like if we held it all in one 152 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,960 place? Although it kind of sounds like 153 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,280 this Vegas event might grow into that this this MTE they're doing 154 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,840 with NIL. But I also wonder, like what if 155 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,160 tennis was happening all over the country like the NCAA 156 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,680 tournament does in like clusters of of of matches? 157 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,560 I don't know that like that. It would because that part of it 158 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,680 for me, honestly. Crowds, that was what it would 159 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,040 be. Well, would it though? 160 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Because you can only get so many people into that one venue and 161 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,200 everybody's just buying tickets for that. 162 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,240 And it might be interesting to spread it out a little bit. 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,000 It wouldn't be the same type of event, but maybe another event 164 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,480 that's like that would be interesting. 165 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Like the World Cup, because the World Cup plays like eight 166 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,800 different sites in the country and then you move together and 167 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,520 it's like, oh, like, like, is Djokovic going to get out of the 168 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,800 Birmingham regional? Djokovic in Birmingham by itself 169 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,880 is a fascinating. Like wouldn't go. 170 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,600 He'd just be like, no, I'm out. Like I don't do Birmingham, AL. 171 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,000 Sorry, into our Birmingham listeners. 172 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,680 Nothing against Birmingham, but it's, it's Djokovic, not you 173 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,080 anyway. But before we get well, we've 174 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,720 already started, so I can't even say that. 175 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,880 But just a reminder, folks, we are brought to you by Home Field 176 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,440 Apparel, your place to go for the finest in college fashions, 177 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,240 the softest fabrics, the coolest designs. 178 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Scott, the Ospreys are coming. University of North Florida 179 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Ospreys dropping. I think Friday of this week is 180 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:44,320 the part of the sweet summer 7. 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Like I'm I'm not sure how well I 200 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,400 would look in a full pullover basket baseball jersey, but they 201 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,440 look the the designs are awesome. 202 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,720 So check those out. Those those look amazing and I, 203 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,160 you know, I share the same concern you do Scott. 204 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:02,000 I, I feel like I'm I'm a few 100,000 calories lost away from 205 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,560 really being able to pull that off. 206 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:07,960 So you know that these are the things we accept when we get to 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,000 the age bracket where our demographic no longer matters to 208 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,400 advertisers, which is exactly where we're at right now. 209 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,800 So anyway, let's also just a reminder folks, join the Crimson 210 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,360 cast sub stack. 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We'd love to have you join us. 222 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,560 You know, Scott, it's, it's an interesting time right now, 223 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:03,720 obviously, because we are we're like right on the brink of a lot 224 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,960 of cool stuff happening with IU sports. 225 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,520 And we're still in the kind of the soft period of things where 226 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,960 there's not a huge amount of content. 227 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,880 But this is a good time to sign up for things because it's easy 228 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,040 in the rush of everything that happens in August and September 229 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,200 to forget. And you get on our sub stack, 230 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,640 you're going to get right up there and understand what's 231 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,640 going on with the world of IU athletics. 232 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,960 So please sign up. It would be great to have you. 233 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,320 Also, I, I need to apologize. Apparently we in our last 234 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:38,040 podcast, we got a note on our community Discord from Trent 235 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Hurricanes that I've apparently mispronounced something while 236 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,520 trying to make fun of you. Oh, mayhem, how the tables have 237 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,840 turned. So I, I, I inadvertently and 238 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,000 erroneously pronounced the wine region that everybody knows in 239 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,520 Oregon as the Willamette Valley, and it's apparently the 240 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,440 Willamette Valley. I, I was not aware of this. 241 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,720 You, you, I assumed you as someone who's so cultured, might 242 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,880 have corrected me in the moment, but I'm I'm guessing you were 243 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,320 just trying to be nice to me. Is that right? 244 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,320 I I know my place. I mean, we have the history. 245 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,400 We can go back, but, you know, not I'll do that off pod. 246 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,160 I'm not going to do that on POD. But you know, yeah. 247 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,800 You know, it's, it's nice to know that, you know, all of us 248 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,640 make mistakes, some more than others. 249 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,640 Right. Anyway, those are the things to 250 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,040 think about, I guess. And we got to we got to make 251 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,080 sure if you guys hear us screw up, please let us know. 252 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,080 That's part of the fun. Well, not me. 253 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Like let's I, I get AI get a couple mulligans. 254 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,960 I get three per show like after three then you can start you can 255 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,720 start putting them out there. Yeah, I mean, yeah. 256 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,840 Well, Scott, your your screw ups are just kind of like it's the 257 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,840 fabric of the show, Like that's the fiber that keeps the thing 258 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,560 afloat. Yeah. 259 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,280 Yeah, so I'm kidding. Anyway, let's let's tackle a few 260 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,040 things. First of all, Scott, when you 261 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,760 were younger, how much did you play the the the college 262 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,240 football video? Game oh a ton OK, so so the the 263 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,320 if you haven't seen this yet, did you watch the reveal video 264 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 that they just put out that like the one they just put out? 265 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,960 I've seen I've seen some of the ones that were coming up as I've 266 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,080 not seen the latest one. I'm kind of I'm kind of at a 267 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,320 point I'm very excited. I'm kind of at a point I'm just 268 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,600 waiting for the game like at this point, like I don't need 269 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,200 any more ampness. I'm just ready for the game and 270 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,520 I have a story about this I can tell later, but go go with your 271 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,080 point. No, no, no, go ahead and tell it 272 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,000 now 'cause I mean this will all tie in, I think. 273 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,440 You know, I mean, to give you an idea of how fired up I am about 274 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,880 this and how I played, I think this was as as always with a lot 275 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,360 of these things, this is pre kids. 276 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,560 For those of you who don't have kids, there will be a 277 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,600 delineation line in your life of pre kids and post kids. 278 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,120 They're both great. But before kids of my 279 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,360 brother-in-law and I, we started a Dynas. 280 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,440 One of the first times you could do an online dynasty. 281 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,400 We did an NCAA Football dynasty. We played 30 years, we saved all 282 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,560 of our draft classes and then we went through and played 30 years 283 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,520 of Madden, importing each one every year. 284 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,440 And it was great, 'cause you're like you're 12 and it's like oh, 285 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,920 like Johnny Oates. Like I got that receiver was 286 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,760 great. Like I'm so excited to get him. 287 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,840 I got to draft him and I, I remembering I got so good with 288 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,920 the four verticals play. I had a receiver like one game. 289 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,800 My brother-in-law got I think like 900 yards receiving in one 290 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,480 game and was like #1 in the Heisman. 291 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,800 And then I just got like 1200 yards. 292 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,240 I would literally take a sack, get back to the one yard line 293 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,640 and then just have 99 yards for a touchdown. 294 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,120 And it was our our stats were. Insane definitely broke the game 295 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,920 and I'm very excited for the game to come back. 296 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,320 Anyway, I would recommend for those who haven't watched it 297 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,080 yet, watching the dynasty breakdown and and how that modes 298 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,120 going, it looks very complex. It looks, it looks, it's like a, 299 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,040 it looks like a very kind of on steroids version of what we saw 300 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,560 in the last couple of itinerations of the game. 301 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,920 And that I'm, I'm fascinated that this is coming back into 302 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,760 our lives. I really am like this. 303 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,360 It feels for, for our generation in particular, I feel like this 304 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,880 is, it's like a missing link. It's like a, an element of DNA 305 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,840 that kind of dropped out of the species and then is back again. 306 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,520 And it's fascinating to think about as a college student 307 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,920 playing these games. I remember James Turner, you 308 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,040 know, host of coaster Crimson cash when when we got to school, 309 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,040 we did not know each other. We got paired. 310 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 It was a potluck roommate situation at Teeter Thompson 5 311 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,680 represent. I had a Sega 16 that I bought 312 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,080 off of my my best friend at at home from high school that I 313 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,760 brought with me and I had like I think I had NHL 94. 314 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,040 I had a couple of other games. It was great, great gaming. 315 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,160 But he brought what once he found out I had this, he then 316 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,440 brought down his copy of Bill Walsh college football, like 96, 317 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,800 I think it was, I think, which I think was the first version. 318 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,360 And I remember playing that. I remember then getting a 319 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,120 PlayStation for the first time there. 320 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,760 There was a guy down the hall, the Scotty Whalen I think it 321 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,320 was, that had a PlayStation and we mostly played like NHL 98 on 322 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,600 that. There were people across the 323 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,040 hall that had an N64 which we were playing. 324 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,360 We were playing like FIFA on that. 325 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,800 But then when I got the PlayStation, one of the first 326 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,120 games I bought was NCAA 99. That was the first itineration 327 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,720 there. And it's wild to think about 328 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,920 when you go back like it was. I went back and actually tried 329 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,720 to play it. I have an emulator on my Steam 330 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:32,960 Deck. I'm able to download some of the 331 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,800 old PS1 ROMs and and play those. And it's like, wow, I forgot how 332 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,800 insanely primitive this was. There were no broadcasters. 333 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,560 Like there you had the PA guy, who, as I learned much later, 334 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,680 was actually the PA guy for UCLA football. 335 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,680 You had, you know, it was a surprise if your game got 336 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,560 selected for television, which is hilarious now when you think 337 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560 the television has broken college football conferences. 338 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,440 It's broken the whole sport, but at the time was like a big deal, 339 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,920 especially if you're coaching Indiana, if you were on like 340 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,839 regional television, let alone the national broadcast, They 341 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,880 were just so the recruiting was very basic. 342 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:17,079 I think that first year, if I'm not mistaken, like there like 343 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,000 there was like there was one recruiting cycle. 344 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,520 There weren't two. Like there was just so many 345 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,520 things that were very, very not advanced about the game. 346 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,040 But we all kind of lived this arc through college. 347 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,480 If you were in College in the late 90s, early 2000s into early 348 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,920 professional years, like for both. 349 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,960 Guys like you and me at our age, people who played those early 350 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,920 games, like I remember when Boise State beat Oklahoma in 351 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,040 whatever BCS game that was. And that's when kind of the 352 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,040 national media was like, oh, this team like they play on a 353 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,840 Bluefield. And I was like, I've known this 354 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,200 for 9 years. I know about Boise State, like 355 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,920 the Idaho, you know. Yes. 356 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,160 Yeah, the Dome, it's like with the two walls and the sides, 357 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,600 it's like you kind of you started to you, you know, you 358 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,400 start the game, you play, you know, I love Indiana. 359 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,320 You play with Indiana socks and you go play with like, you know, 360 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Georgia or somebody good or, you know, at that time it was 361 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,840 probably, you know, more like, you know, like the Tennessee or 362 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,880 something with like. Was a big one or yeah, I 363 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,880 remember. I remember even start growing 364 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,160 minor on like halfback tosses all the time. 365 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,200 Yeah, so you. Go into like the low level 366 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,800 schools and you started to really get to know like, like 367 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,800 when Brett Favre was back at, you know, Mississippi State for 368 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,040 some, you know, real sports thing. 369 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,240 It's like, oh, I know that stadium. 370 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,600 I I played three years there anyway, go ahead. 371 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,880 No, it is, it's, I, I just think it's, it's interesting 'cause 372 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,000 it's, it's one of those games that there was a legitimate 373 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,520 reason, obviously why it stopped getting made. 374 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,520 And it, it's, but it's fascinating that with all the 375 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,920 changes that have happened in college football, it's coming 376 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,400 back. And I mean, there's the, the 377 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,320 nostalgia that we're getting from people in advance of this 378 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,680 game coming in is like nothing I've seen in a while. 379 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,640 And I think it's great. It's, it's to some degree, it's 380 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,240 one of the few things like in, in pop culture that feels like 381 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,480 it really worth looking forward to If you are a guy who likes 382 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,760 sports, I'm sure there's, we have some of our female 383 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,800 listeners who who will play and will be interested. 384 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,920 But it, it always felt like a very much like if you were in 385 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,000 high school or college when that game was happening, it was in 386 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,880 some way, shape or form a part of your life. 387 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,240 And it's it just kind of drifted away. 388 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,640 And like many other things that we were used to, like, you know, 389 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,200 non superhero movies or, you know, like the other things 390 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,040 along those lines, it just was it felt like something that 391 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,360 wasn't ever coming back. So it is cool to see it's coming 392 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,160 back now. And and we're starting to see 393 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,080 some real build up because the game releases in less than two 394 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,560 weeks. If you order, if you did the 395 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,120 pre-order. I'm also excited because you 396 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:49,560 know the the last iteration was like 2000. 12 or 14? 397 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,440 Well, it was, it's it's NCAA 14. It came out in like August. 398 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Yeah, 13 or July 13. I mean, obviously the Internet 399 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,720 was there and there was still all of that. 400 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,720 But it it the the Internet and the, you know, social media 401 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,840 culture has changed so much that, you know, when I was 402 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,800 really deep into it was, you know, College in those posts, 403 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,520 you know, 10 years after college when, you know, it felt like if 404 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,960 we were playing and you wanted to tell me like, oh, I have a 405 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,320 great play and a couple play books. 406 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,960 Like you would just basically write it down and like show it. 407 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,000 To meet like I'm excited for a world now where I can just go 408 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,080 onto a Reddit board and get on a couple of messages and just see 409 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,400 like, all right, where's the four verticals play I want to 410 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,200 run and like who, what are the variations? 411 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Can I watch some YouTube videos of somebody scoring with this? 412 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Like I, there's a whole outside world of playing this game that 413 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,040 wasn't available to to you and I when we were really into it that 414 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,640 I'm excited to see that kind of develop and. 415 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,800 Flourish as well. Yeah, it's it'll be it'll be 416 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,560 really fascinating as we move forward here with everything 417 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,360 because it's just like there there's always the chance the 418 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,880 game isn't going to be good. But I will say, the more I see 419 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,040 in these preview videos at least feels like they've gotten the 420 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,720 features right. I mean that, you know, the big 421 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,480 issues that we've had with the game, you know, the the older 422 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,520 issues were it was kind of clunky in terms of how the game 423 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,600 played, especially in those later editions. 424 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,760 I got a little feature heavy and I didn't think that the actual 425 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,400 on field action was at the level that I would have liked it to 426 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,720 have been. And then obviously the concern 427 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320 has been microtransactions, which I think they'll still be 428 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,680 some of that. You're not going to get away 429 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,160 from that, unfortunately in, in 2024. 430 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,760 But it does look really good. And then the features that 431 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,360 they've decided to put in thus far that we've seen have looked 432 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,560 really good. And the, the thing I'm really 433 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,840 fascinated about, you said you were playing with your friends 434 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,520 in an online dynasty. Like, I never really did that 435 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,120 because by the time the online dynasties really became a thing, 436 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,400 I didn't know you were playing in an online dynasty. 437 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,360 I never got an invite. So you know it's it'll. 438 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,120 Be coming, it'll be coming. We'll see. 439 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:56,200 I mean, you can do 32 different people in an online dynasty from 440 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,160 what I've heard. So that will be fascinating to, 441 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,640 to watch this play out. What I'm a little concerned 442 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,160 about, and I think you should be as well. 443 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,200 And I, this is a, a thing that I've I've that's been shared by 444 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,200 people. You don't realize how bad you 445 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,000 get at playing video games as you get older. 446 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,240 Games like this that require like, reactions. 447 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,280 And so we've all been on ice for 10 years with this. 448 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,520 I know I have not been playing Madden. 449 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,640 Have you been playing Madden regularly in the lead up to 450 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,720 this? I've not. 451 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,560 I used to like I used to like basketball games, which two 452 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,400 quick stories, one you talk about rudimentary. 453 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,400 I went back and I still have some of my I've emulators, but I 454 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,560 have some of the old like my Super Nintendo still works. 455 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,720 I went back and played NCAA basketball, which I think was 456 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,880 the 1st 3D version of of basketball. 457 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,760 And it is, it's way raw. I mean, it's interesting because 458 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,720 it's the, it's the view we now have, but it's just like it's a 459 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,880 blue background, just kind of this blue like Tronscape that 460 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,920 just goes on forever. It's really bizarre. 461 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,240 My, my son has gotten into two K so he's been playing an absolute 462 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,120 ton of 2K. I've gone and played some and 463 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,040 it's been kind of fun. It is it's tough, man. 464 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Like yeah, my the skills of atrophied and you and I grew up 465 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,080 in AD pad button world the the thumb sticks like elite and 466 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,080 basketball was always a a tougher game to play than 467 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,760 football. Just the the geometry and the 468 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,560 way to make things work were always tougher. 469 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,360 But like if you don't use those middle sticks on on 2K, you 470 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,760 can't do 98% of it. It's like, and the game just 471 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,400 kind of like, well, you're not going to be able to do no look 472 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,880 passes like it's just not something you you're going to be 473 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,520 able to do. So I'm curious see how that fits 474 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,320 in because if it, if there's going to need to be a lot of 475 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,080 thumb stick work, I might need to, to start working out the 476 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,120 thumbs on this. Cause yeah, it's it's definitely 477 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,680 a much different gaming environment. 478 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,120 I wonder if there's AI. Think EA actually blew a golden 479 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,440 opportunity here. This is where I was leading to. 480 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,040 I feel like they should offer an online boot camp for old people. 481 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,880 You know, if you're over 30, you get, you can you, can you just 482 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,600 pay 4 bucks and you go. You can practice ahead of time 483 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,200 'cause I just, you know, I, I have a lot of former students 484 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,800 who are friends of mine now who I'd like to have in an online 485 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,240 dynasty. I think it'd be fun, but I am. 486 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,800 I'm actually kind of petrified about getting obliterated by 487 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,840 people 10/15/20 years younger than me playing this game. 488 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,120 And I feel like I need some training. 489 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,320 And certainly I'm going to download it as soon as it gets 490 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,560 started. I'll probably just block out of 491 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,120 work for a couple of days so I can try to get up to speed. 492 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,040 But I, I really think there's a chance that we might have to 493 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,560 segregate by age category with this game because I am worried 494 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,800 about just not being able to compete. 495 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,880 Because you see this in, in other online gaming 496 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,680 environments. You see it if you play FIFA 497 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,520 online or some of these other games online. 498 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,680 It's not FIFA anymore, I know, but whatever where you just 499 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,920 can't keep up. And it's actually an interesting 500 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,240 trend in E sports. If you, if anybody follows E 501 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,400 sports where like the average career life span of an E sports 502 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,120 athlete, quote UN quote is really short. 503 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,000 And we're talking about like you're out by 22 because you 504 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,920 can't keep up with what's going on with people that are 1819 505 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,760 years old. So this will be a fascinating 506 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,320 thing. I, I'm, I'm looking forward to 507 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,080 hearing all of the stories online about, you know, people 508 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800 our age or slightly younger just getting boat raced. 509 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,880 In important games it's it's possible or you could just have 510 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,800 the Galen rule where it's like, all right, everyone else is 511 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Sunbelt and I'm Georgia right, That's the way we're going to 512 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,040 hold I'm. Sorry, I get to play on varsity 513 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,480 level. You're playing on Heisman. 514 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,240 It's, you know, that's how it goes. 515 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,400 One of the things I used to do is I would just focus on getting 516 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,680 really good at offense and then even playing defense, you know, 517 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,720 a lot of times I would just SIM the defense. 518 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,480 And then when I was playing a real person, I would still just 519 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,320 kind of like I'd pick an off a defensive lineman and just I 520 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,280 would just put the controller down. 521 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,200 It's like sometimes the the game I'll just it's, it's almost like 522 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,560 the old Tecmo Bowl. Like I just hope the defense I 523 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,320 picked kind of does well and then I might just run after If 524 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,480 you're doing a quarterback sneak. 525 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:11,640 Well, all right, so let's hit a couple other things before we 526 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,800 wrap up here, So. Last last video game thing. 527 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,120 I just got to say you were talking about this earlier. 528 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,680 It's just a one moment. I have to commend you on a super 529 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,160 funny like remembering in a line when you were talking about 530 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,280 these games coming out last time and you mentioned like one of 531 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,480 the last years they came out with the game and their big 532 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,400 thing was like pylon or pylon pylon. 533 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Physics. It's. 534 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,440 Just I remember that and I remember thinking like who 535 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:37,960 cares? Like who care? 536 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,120 I just this is just like a callback like I had not thought 537 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,280 of that for 10. Years. 538 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Well, yeah, and when we were first thinking when they were 539 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,080 talking about this game happening last year as I was 540 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,680 this is where I was worried because it's like this is how 541 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,600 how far that franchise had kind of fallen in terms of EAI. 542 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480 Don't know it's it's yeah. So I I was this is what happens 543 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,440 with my brain folks is like random stuff sticks in my head 544 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,000 for no good reason whatsoever and that's go ahead anyway, so a 545 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,440 couple of things we wanted to hit. 546 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,560 We had some questions Jim Hoff asked. 547 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,720 Antoine Randall L and Vaughn Dunbar were both named on the 548 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,280 2024 College Football Hall of Fame induction ballot. 549 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,840 What do you think their chances are of getting in? 550 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:29,320 And yeah, this is one of those things that I, first of all, I, 551 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,840 I wanted to talk to you about the the College Football Hall of 552 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Fame. Is this something you ever think 553 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,120 about? No. 554 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,320 OK, I don't either, which is an interesting thing. 555 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,480 It's like Hall of Fame's in general. 556 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,040 I feel like we're much bigger deals in certain sports before. 557 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000 Like I feel like the only two that really matter and are 558 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,320 relevant to people are the Baseball Hall of Fame, which has 559 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,320 become almost not worth paying attention to because it just 560 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,320 feels like a bunch of kids fighting with each other now and 561 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600 gatekeeping. And then the Pro Football Hall 562 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,760 of Fame, which does feel weirdly like almost more relevant than 563 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,160 the Baseball Hall of Fame in that it feels like mega 564 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,480 exclusive in a lot of ways given the huge number of people that 565 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,360 play football and have played football. 566 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,800 But anyway, putting that aside, I can't really, if you ask me 567 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,960 like how many people are in the College Football Hall of Fame, I 568 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,080 don't, I wouldn't get it within a probably 100. 569 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,360 If you ask me, where is the College Football Hall of Fame, 570 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,640 right, I I'm not sure I'd be able to answer that question. 571 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,920 I I mean, I know it's in Atlanta, but, but it wasn't in 572 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,280 Atlanta for a long time. I and I think it was in South 573 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Bend for a while, but I always remember like going to Kings 574 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,840 Island and they had like a sign for like a College Football Hall 575 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,560 of Fame. But it didn't. 576 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,360 It was like, is that the real College Football Hall of Fame? 577 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,360 I don't think it was, but it also got me thinking, I have no 578 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,520 idea, like does Indiana have any players in the College Football 579 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,720 Hall of Fame? And so I had to look this up. 580 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Do do you know if Indiana has any football players in the 581 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,800 College Football Hall of Fame? I don't. 582 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680 I mean, I would assume Anthony Thompson would be in. 583 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,160 He is. He was in the class. 584 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,560 He's actually the most recently elected member. 585 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,400 He was elected in 2007. I'm going to mess the name 586 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,160 George Taliferro. Georgetown Pharaoh's in. 587 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480 Yes, he was. He was in the class of 81. 588 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:32,040 Yeah. So that that that it's there are 589 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,680 only three other members. Indiana has five did. 590 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,280 Mallory, make it. No. 591 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,000 OK, Well, if he did, he didn't make it as from Indiana like 592 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,320 this. I think you had to go to the 593 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,440 school. And though the other three are 594 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,640 PP OS who most people don't remember, he was actually a, a 595 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,360 very high draft pick in the, I think the 40s or 50s Zora 596 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,800 Clevenger, who some people might remember that name. 597 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,960 And then John Tavenner, who I have not even heard of. 598 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,960 And then there's actually two other people when you type in 599 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,320 Indiana that that pop up, but they are both from Indiana 600 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,800 University of Pennsylvania, which does not count. 601 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,840 However, one of those two people is Frank Cignetti, the father of 602 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,600 Kern, Indiana, head coach Kurt Cignetti. 603 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,680 Oh. There you go. 604 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,120 There you. Go. 605 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,360 But no, To answer Jim's question, I wish I had any kind 606 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,440 of an idea of like what the chances are that that either 607 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,160 Antoine or von Dunbar would get in. 608 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,400 I I had to go look at the criteria for being in and for 609 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440 being inducted in the College Football Hall of Fame. 610 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,000 And, and so the the criteria of this are apparently the 611 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,640 following. A player must have achieved 612 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,080 major first team All America recognition, which certainly 613 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,560 Antoine fits under. A player becomes eligible for 614 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,400 consideration 10 years after his last year. 615 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,640 Both of them qualify. Football achievements are first, 616 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,800 but the post football record as a citizen is also weighed. 617 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,320 That's interesting. Players must have played their 618 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,400 last year of intercollegiate football within the last 50 619 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,200 years. So there's a kind of a time out 620 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,240 on this. You have to have ended your 621 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,040 professional career prior to the time of nomination, I'm assuming 622 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,000 as a player, not as a coach. And then coaches have to have 623 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,600 had at least 10 years of head coaching experience, coached at 624 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,640 least 100 games and had at least a 600 winning percentage, which 625 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,800 has been, I think there's a controversy there involving 626 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,880 like, I think Mike Leach, who's like right below that, that mark 627 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,240 because of something. Anyway, looking at that, I, I 628 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640 don't think Von Dunbar has a great chance of getting in, 629 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,000 given that he had a relatively short college career since he 630 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,640 was a junior college transfer. I, I think Antoine might have a 631 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,160 decent chance, you know, and, and I think he might be the best 632 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,960 bet. And, you know, when I read that 633 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,440 criteria, it's, it's hard to think of other IU players that 634 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,560 would be in the mix, you know, given that particular set of 635 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,480 criteria. You know, just because in the 636 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,120 last 50 years, other than Anthony Thompson, I can't think 637 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,920 of a whole lot of other people who had that set of like 638 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,200 national accolades and, and made a mark on the game other than 639 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,280 Antoine Randallel. I mean, it's, you know, there's, 640 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,640 there's certainly been great players. 641 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,200 There's been players that have been drafted high, there's been 642 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,360 players that have been named All Americans, but very few that 643 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,560 kind of would rise to the level that you might expect. 644 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,520 Yeah. I mean, everybody I can think of 645 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320 kind of had a one year, one year run, but didn't really have a 646 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,640 two year run. You know, maybe Tevin Coleman 647 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,040 with that. That's also what kind of felt 648 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,720 like a one year, A1 year thing, you know? 649 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,240 I also don't think Tevin Coleman had like major, I guess he was I 650 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,800 guess he was he was a unanimous all American in 2014. 651 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080 He was first team all big 10. So maybe that maybe that would 652 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,800 be enough. But I but again, that's the kind 653 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,360 of player I'm talking about where it's like, I don't know 654 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,240 that anybody really in 20-30 years we'll look back and say, 655 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,080 man, you remember that Tevin Coleman season at Indiana. 656 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,640 When they something you mentioned in your last podcast 657 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,760 that it it it bears mentioning again and again. 658 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,720 It now is rearing its head again the 2001 football season with 659 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520 Indiana over scheduling. You know, I'm I'm rehashing 660 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,560 everything you said, but it's like it's great content deserves 661 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,640 a second airing. Yes, and we're going to come 662 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,760 back to more pylon dynamics here at the end. 663 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,440 But you have North Carolina State, Utah and you know, 664 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,240 Kentucky or their non conference games. 665 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,080 They lose Utah. It is at Indiana and they lose 666 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,800 28 to 26. It's a close game. 667 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,520 You you pull that out. That Indiana team is now what, 668 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,480 six and five? They're probably going to a 669 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,520 bowl. If you give him two cupcakes 670 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,480 there, maybe they're seven and four. 671 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880 And maybe now Antoine Randall L is a Heisman finalist and now he 672 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,280 can add that to his resume for the College Football Hall of 673 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000 Fame in a location to be named later in in my mind. 674 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,280 But you know, it's like over scheduling maybe is going to 675 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,560 cost Antoine Randall all the ability to be in the College 676 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,560 football Hall of Fame and also being a Heisman finalist because 677 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,880 then Indiana plays in a bowl and like it, it changes the entire 678 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,480 memory of that season outside of Indiana even and what he did. 679 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,760 So it that's the first thing I thought of is like, damn it, you 680 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,520 know, the scheduling is, is kind of screwing this up again. 681 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,159 You you realize, you may not remember that game, but Indiana 682 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,560 lost that game. They they missed an extra point 683 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,600 and missed the field goal. That that and obviously lost by 684 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,639 two, which which that did not help matters anything. 685 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,280 But yeah, it's it's pretty fascinating when you think about 686 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,960 the just the way that some of this stuff went for IU. 687 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,040 And, you know, we talked about Anthony Thompson missing out on 688 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,800 a bowl because Indiana loses at the end of that 1989 season. 689 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480 And they go 5:00 and 6:00. Losing the Heisman and he might 690 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,960 have won the Heisman. Right. 691 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,360 I mean, I think he finished second in the Heisman and that 692 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,880 but but again, that was a season where, you know, Indiana goes 693 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,840 five and six and you know, one of their losses was at Kentucky, 694 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,080 which yes, that was a it was a it was a rivalry game. 695 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,880 But again, it's like they played, they played two, they 696 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,360 they played an SEC school in Kentucky and they played 697 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,880 Missouri, who was a Big eight school, you know, in the non 698 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160 conference. They had one like easy game in 699 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,560 the non conference, which was Toledo and you that Big 10 that 700 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,160 year. Like they lose at Ohio State, 701 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,240 They lose at Michigan, who was fifth in the country. 702 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,640 They got blown out at home by Michigan State and they lose at 703 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,680 at Illinois, who was 12th in the country. 704 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,160 Like that was that was a pretty good team for Indiana. 705 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520 They they had a, they had three really good wins in the 706 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,080 conference, including a big win at Wisconsin, they beat 707 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,160 Northwestern, they beat Minnesota, but just no margin 708 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,640 for error. In some of these seasons. 709 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,240 It really does make you think if you go back, like if you just 710 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,120 take the easy road or the easier Rd., the history is just 711 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,480 slightly different enough that maybe there's some momentum that 712 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,640 you can build on. Well, no. 713 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440 And you have, I mean, it's so funny 'cause that, you know, 714 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,680 when we were in school, this is where time just messes with your 715 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,000 mind. But when you and I were in 716 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,680 school, the Anthony Thompson era felt like eons before us. 717 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,960 I mean, just felt like that might have been, you know, punt, 718 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,600 John punt time. Like that was just 50 years ago. 719 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,680 It was only, you know, 12 years before we were in school, the 720 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,200 Anthony Thompson was there. Now I look back at, you know, 721 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440 things that happened 12 years ago and it's like doesn't seem 722 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,840 like that long ago. But you know, you you change a 723 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,880 couple of things here. I know we're playing the what if 724 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,520 game, but I've always done this with IU football. 725 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,200 Like you give a couple wins that, you know, won one or two 726 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,640 wins in that season, that team goes to a bowl, maybe Anthony 727 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:24,200 Thompson wins a Heisman. So that is in what, 8088, you 728 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,960 know. He was 89, but yeah. 729 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,320 Sorry, so he has a he has a Heisman win and 89 and maybe a 730 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,400 bowl win or whatever. Only 10 years later, you now 731 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,600 have another player from Indiana in the Heisman finalist and 732 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,520 Antoine Randallel, if maybe they schedule a little easier. 733 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,520 And now it's like, all right, Indiana like 10 years. 734 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,520 You have two a Heisman winner and a finalist. 735 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,880 Like no one's going to write a book, but like that's, that's 736 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,880 pretty good like that. That might be better than a lot 737 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,920 of schools you would think of that are in the Big 10. 738 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,200 Like you might be the I don't have the the list in front of 739 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,280 you. There's probably only a couple 740 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,480 schools in the Big 10 who would have a better track record of 741 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,800 Heisman Trophy winners. I don't know if it leads to 742 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,040 anything, but it definitely is better than where we're at now 743 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440 where we have nobody who's won a Heisman. 744 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,760 I don't know. And it's just like you, you 745 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,440 start thinking like that would only be 10 years apart to having 746 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,560 two Heisman Trophy finalists. That's pretty Dang good. 747 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,920 And I think a lot of it goes back to scheduling. 748 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,360 Did you know I'm looking at the, the, the College Football Hall 749 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,680 of Fame ballot here? 5.62 million people have played 750 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,800 college football and only 1074 players have been inducted, 751 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,840 which apparently is 21 hundredths of a percent of all 752 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,760 of the participants. So it's, I guess it's a great 753 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,800 honor if you make it into that, that echelon. 754 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,840 There's also a ton of people nominated like go, go check out 755 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,520 the, the, the FBS player candidate capsule BIOS alone 756 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,960 there. I mean, I, I have not counted 757 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,800 them, but Antoine Randall L and Von Dunbar are in there with a 758 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,920 ton of people. I mean, and it's, it's, I mean, 759 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,960 frankly, like it's names like Michael Vick and Peter Warwick 760 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,920 and Terrell Suggs and Tequila spikes and Alex Smith and Ron 761 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,760 Rivera. And I mean it's a, it's a loaded 762 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,040 group of people. It's, it's, I don't know. 763 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,160 So we we'll keep our fingers crossed on all of that, but I 764 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,080 that way I just wanted to make sure we followed up on Jim's 765 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,840 question. So. 766 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,360 Which which logo does Antoine go in with? 767 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,160 Does he go with the Oval or does he go with the Trident? 768 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,280 He only played under the Oval. I know. 769 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,240 So he would go in under. The I would go into the Oval. 770 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,240 Yeah, I don't even know if they have logos they go in under. 771 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,000 That's a good point. Will that make it a PTI segment? 772 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,320 Probably not. I'm guessing that's that's 773 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,160 that's not me as it's the E block. 774 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,720 It's the block that happens during the commercial after the 775 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,120 show's over, Yes, Luke? Belotta asked, given the 776 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,240 corporate on field and uniform sponsorships are seemingly 777 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,960 impending with college sports. And we've seen a lot of this 778 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,480 here lately where it's like, this is going to be a revenue 779 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,600 stream that college athletics are going to have to tap into. 780 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,800 Who would be your choices for corporate logos to appear on our 781 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,360 uniforms and on the field? And Luke says, obviously home 782 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,400 field apparel, Luke knows how the business runs, clearly. 783 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,360 What would be most realistic? What would be most fun? 784 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,600 You have freedom to take it where you want. 785 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,760 So Scott, let's start. If we're going to do a field 786 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,360 logo for IU football, what are you slapping down at the 25 yard 787 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,400 lines? That's a great question. 788 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,240 And by the way, college is up on this. 789 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,720 We haven't seen like the Big 12 is selling big. 790 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,400 It's like they're the Allstate 12 now. 791 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,280 They sold the name big. So, you know, you people got up 792 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,960 in arms about the NBA putting, you know, a small logo on the 793 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,120 jersey. Like college is just unabashed, 794 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600 Like we'll just sell names on things. 795 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,320 I, I mean, I won't be shocked if Kansas State like just renames 796 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,440 the whole institution, you know, they, they just become like 797 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,800 Deloitte University or something like that. 798 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,040 They. Playoff in Manhattan like we're 799 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,320 like they just get a whiskey to like name like name this this 800 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,560 thing. All right, So what what would 801 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,360 you? Well, I wouldn't have the the 802 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,680 the Hank Bison anywhere on the field. 803 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,320 You're not thinking. You're not thinking that 804 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,600 Endeavour is going to be the on field sponsor. 805 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,400 No, no, no. You know, this is where do you 806 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,480 go with some of the sponsors that you see all over the place 807 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480 at IU Sports? Like does IU Credit Union take a 808 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,440 spot there? Like, are they big enough? 809 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,840 Or is this something where the Big 10 is stepping in and kind 810 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,640 of like, hey, we're going to help all of our schools? 811 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,920 Let's say this is corporate interest, talking to Indiana 812 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200 specifically or really talking to Learfield on Indiana's 813 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,800 behalf. Like we want to, we want to 814 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,560 advertise at IU, We want our our logo in front of of you folks, 815 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,880 you fans at IU. Not a Big Ten decision. 816 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,760 This is something that's coming from the school itself. 817 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,840 Yeah. I mean, I think you're going to 818 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,280 see a bank, you're going to probably see a bank in an 819 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,680 apartment complex on one of those two spots. 820 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,120 So I would say probably, you know, IU Credit Union and then, 821 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,760 you know, Hunter Property seems to be spending a lot of money in 822 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000 the Bloomington market. Maybe Granite Properties, you 823 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,600 know, one of those property companies might be in there. 824 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,200 I, I think this is probably too rich for, you know, a Buffalo 825 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,720 Louie's or one of those. But the, you know, the group 826 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,240 that owns Scotty's, maybe they're in there. 827 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,360 Scotty's Are they around anymore? 828 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,400 Like that? Yeah, sorry. 829 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000 Very good. Cut that. 830 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,200 Cut that. No, I don't want any discord. 831 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,920 We're leaving that in sorry, that's that's not going 832 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,480 anywhere. Scotty's blast Scotty's closed I 833 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,800 think like eight years ago in Bloomington, seven-year. 834 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,960 It's been a while, but yes and so. 835 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,520 But we all make mistakes, you know, but I, I do think there 836 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:37,200 might be one kind of Indiana based larger company that might 837 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,920 want to get into it. So I don't know if you see like 838 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,520 a Lily or a sales force or somebody like that, try and get 839 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,880 into it. But my, my, I'm, I've those are 840 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,880 kind of my initial thoughts. I'm going to let you talk and 841 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920 then think a little bit too and try and find the right answer. 842 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,760 That's interesting. Well, it feels like there'd be 843 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,960 some good options that won't do it. 844 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,760 Like, I think like Culver's like could use more market share. 845 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,400 The Culver's is very popular here in Bloomington, but they 846 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,800 like Culver's like being a field sponsor for anybody but 847 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,520 Wisconsin kind of is, is against their own brand at this point. 848 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,400 Yeah, You know, I, I keep seeing Zaxby's popping up everywhere. 849 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,120 There's one in, in like Mooresville now or like like in 850 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,720 Camby. I guess it technically is. 851 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,520 It's like they're getting closer to Bloomington. 852 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,720 Gosh, it's, it's one of those deals where I actually feel like 853 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,440 you're, you know, the, the thing about a company like Lily, like 854 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,400 what are you putting the logo on the field for? 855 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,680 If you're Lily, you're probably not getting a lot of consumer 856 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,240 goods coming through that. I wouldn't mind like Southwest 857 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:40,080 Airlines, who does a ton of business out of Indianapolis. 858 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,200 They do so much investment in sports. 859 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,960 That would seem like not that SW needs a huge amount of of 860 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,240 advertising, but that would seem like a logical kind of 861 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,280 connector. You know, if we're, if we're 862 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,240 just sticking with like, you know, good scale local 863 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,960 businesses, I mean, it would be really cool. 864 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,520 I, you know, and I think the brand exposure for like Upland 865 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,440 would be fascinating given that Upland is, is a regional kind of 866 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,760 quasi national brand. All that you can get Upland in 867 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,760 New York, you can get it in, in Michigan. 868 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,560 It would be fun actually, if at least the Midwestern Big 10 869 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,400 schools, and it's weird that we have to delineate the Big 10 870 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,000 like that now. Well, you know, the the home 871 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,120 country Big 10 schools, if they all got sponsored by like a 872 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,080 prominent local brewery, you know, so like Bells ends up 873 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,600 being the field sponsor at Michigan State or I mean, 874 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,960 there's no culture in Illinois, so we can't really use Illinois, 875 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,840 but like like new Glen do Coors Light. 876 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,400 They're just like we don't have it. 877 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,320 We're just doing we're doing natty light. 878 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,560 Illinois definitely feels like hams territory or something like 879 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,320 that. But like, you know, I you know, 880 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200 the Iowa gets what is what is that one in Iowa? 881 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,160 Whatever the the is it toppling Goliath? 882 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,120 Is that the, is that the brewery up there? 883 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560 Yeah, I I new. Blair is for Wisconsin and. 884 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,240 Yeah, I think that would be kind of a cool, especially if there 885 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,360 was a web of those. But anyway, that was that was 886 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,480 kind of what I was thinking there. 887 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,480 So then I look overall I'm fascinated to see what what's 888 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,360 that going to be worth. I mean, because the, the field 889 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,360 sponsorships in particular, that's a lot of TV exposure and 890 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,800 you know, with as many people as watch football, it's, you know, 891 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,680 to me, there's, there's no problem with it. 892 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,280 I mean, it's, it's another way to make money. 893 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,000 It's, it's, you don't even have to put it on the field. 894 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,160 You probably will want to because you're getting 60,000 895 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,760 people, but you could just project it on. 896 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,720 So that'll, I think it'll be an interesting thing to watch. 897 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:36,360 And I would, I would be on board with the old brewery, you know, 898 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,120 field logo things, the, the logo, the, the jersey patch. 899 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,280 I mean it, it kind of feels like that one. 900 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,600 I, I actually think the jersey patches are you need a, a 901 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,000 company that's got a really recognizable and uncomplicated 902 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000 logo. Agreed. 903 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,000 Like I was whenever like the Outback Bowl was played, I 904 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,040 always felt like the Outback logo was like way too busy. 905 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,320 You know, it was like I, I, I only know what I'm looking at 906 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,120 because I've driven by so many Outback steakhouses in my 907 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,000 lifetime, But it was like, that's too much to put on the 908 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,080 jersey. So that's you want to avoid 909 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,200 those kinds of things. But that's the thing. 910 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,320 They're just, it doesn't feel like the the companies that are 911 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,680 in Indiana who would like to like do mass consumer marketing 912 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,400 like Cummins doesn't need like a lot of people like, you know, 913 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,120 seeing their logo on a jersey and be like, let me go buy an 914 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,680 engine. Like what, what am I doing 915 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:30,280 there? And. 916 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,760 Salesforce is way more B to B. The one the one thing I am 917 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,680 thinking, and I think we might have mentioned this on an 918 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,920 earlier podcast, it would be interesting if like Lily is 919 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,080 decides like we're going to bust Ozempic out as its own like 920 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,240 brand sub brand with its own logo and that becomes the logo. 921 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,640 That would be an interesting like let let's put a weight loss 922 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,760 injection drug as the the the jersey logo on a team in the Big 923 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,400 10 and see what happens. Just I'm thinking of like you 924 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,640 have Ozempic on the 20 yard line, but then the 304050 yard 925 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,440 line are all of the sub, all of the the complications and you 926 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,800 got to talk to your doctor. It's just like. 927 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,920 No, no, no. I think you're going the wrong 928 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,040 way with this. I think you have fast food logos 929 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,600 on every like hashtag every 10 yards, and then you have Ozempic 930 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,160 at the 20 and it's like, well, all right, Yep, that's where 931 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,400 you're headed. Yeah, so that's a, that's a 932 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,360 great question because one of the ideas I had to talk to you 933 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,200 about for the pot, which we're not going to do is just like if 934 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,080 every conference is going to sell their name, what company 935 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,360 would go best with the conference? 936 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,520 But it's just, there's too many ways to go that way. 937 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,320 But I it's going to what, what I think is going to be interesting 938 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,560 is, are are I think I know the answer because the answer is 939 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,680 always going to be more money. But are you going to see more 940 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,800 conferences like the the Allstate Big 12 or the Allstate 941 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,600 12 selling way more sponsorships and looking so minor league and 942 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,080 the Big 10 in the SEC kind of being like, all right, we got a 943 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,520 ton of TV money. We don't need to do that. 944 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,880 But I I know where this always goes and this always goes to, 945 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,920 hey, you brought me a check. We're the Ozempic Big 10. 946 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,160 Like that's what's going to happen. 947 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,520 I, I don't know, man. I mean, there was an article in 948 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,480 The Columbus Dispatch yesterday covering Ohio State where, you 949 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,920 know, the, the they have a new athletic director at Ohio State 950 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,760 and he came out and said we're going to have to seek new 951 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,400 sources of revenue to cover revenue sharing with athletes 952 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,480 because they have a $10 million shortfall in their budget. 953 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,760 Now keep in mind, for those who don't know, Ohio State has the 954 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,240 second largest athletic budget in the entirety of college 955 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,640 sports. It's like 210 million. 956 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,080 I think it is somewhere in that range. 957 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,440 It's Texas is the only school with a bigger budget. 958 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,880 But the difference is like, and I've mentioned this on the show 959 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,200 before, so apologies for repeating myself, but Ohio State 960 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,680 sponsors 36 varsity sports. Texas, I think only sponsors 961 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,000 like 22. Indiana sponsors 24. 962 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,080 We've talked about how Indiana sponsors a ton of sports, but 963 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680 Ohio State sponsors a ton of sports. 964 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,400 And you know, they're either going to have to cut some of 965 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,160 those or they're going to have to do things like this where 966 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,960 they just look for every possible source of revenue. 967 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,320 Now, you know, eventually I think you're going to have some 968 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,480 market correction in terms of coaches salaries because you 969 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,520 can't just, you just can't keep paying coaches the insane 970 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,240 amounts of money that you're paying them with these budgetary 971 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,800 shortfalls coming in. But I think that it is a going 972 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,440 to be really fascinating to watch what happens as these 973 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,840 athletic departments try to come to grips with the sheer amount 974 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,440 of money that they don't have and what they're going to have 975 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,120 to find in order to make it right. 976 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,400 So I'm trying to find I I just, I was trying to think like, all 977 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,880 right, So what company would be best suited to give money to 978 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,240 Ohio State? And I googled like most hated 979 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,360 companies in in America. But like the the list is 980 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,360 bananas. And like it's a list that has 981 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,880 some really ones I wouldn't agree with. 982 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,600 But my thought would be like they'd be perfect match for like 983 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,640 Exxon Mobil, like Shell Oil just. 984 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,200 I mean like. An old behemoth company I I 985 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,760 feel. Like you're, you're, you're 986 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,640 missing maybe some better options here, you know, but I 987 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,160 think I feel like. On the list of most hated 988 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160 companies, Johnson and Johnson like I guess maybe the the law 989 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,680 is like I don't. I mean, isn't Ohio State isn't 990 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,840 there perfect match like Blackwater? 991 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:20,680 That's so great because I feel like yes, people hate Johnson 992 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,040 and Johnson because like, you know, they got cancer from 993 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,080 Johnson and Johnson. But but they I don't know how 994 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,640 many people really wake up in the morning and like, you know, 995 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,040 they or they don't use Johnson and Johnson as a pejorative 996 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,480 reference everything wrong with like American like government. 997 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,640 But Blackwater like had that position for many years. 998 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,480 Exxon certainly had it for years as well, you know, so. 999 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,440 They can, they can. Maybe Facebook is up there with 1000 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,800 her them. Yeah, I mean, but you know, if 1001 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,120 Facebook, I feel like is, is it like they're not evil enough 1002 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,920 that this is an interesting thing we need to explore this 1003 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,520 space a little bit further. Because there I do like the idea 1004 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,760 of I mean, honestly, it feels it with this and with the the lack 1005 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,560 of kind of Consumer Focus and quality control. 1006 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,720 It's like I feel like Boeing's going to get there at some 1007 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,520 point. That's a great Boeing's a great 1008 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,640 for college sports as a whole. Like, you know, there's, there's 1009 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,360 some analogues there. But yeah, this is this is where 1010 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,200 we're at with with the world of college sports now, where we're 1011 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,680 we're seriously contemplating like, you know, very poorly 1012 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,360 thought about defense contractors as jersey sponsors 1013 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,920 for majors, major teams in the sport. 1014 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,760 And as long as the check clears, they're going. 1015 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,720 To do we're. Going to see, I think we're 1016 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,680 going to see things on fields, we're going to see things on 1017 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,240 uniforms. So. 1018 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:41,840 So get ready for all of it. Yeah, it's, it's going to be, 1019 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,280 it's going to be a wild ride. And I, I'm actually very curious 1020 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,080 going back to what we started with and wrapping up with this, 1021 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,160 like how much of this ends up in the video game. 1022 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,760 You know, the video games on the one hand, the college sports 1023 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,760 games, in particular college football, they always kind of 1024 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,240 used the commercialization as a element of realism. 1025 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,640 You know, they've had like a Nissan drive that, you know, 1026 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,680 that they have Brad Nessler voice or they'd have, you know, 1027 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,200 a few other things that it would sprinkle in depending on on who 1028 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,360 the sponsors were at the time. So I do wonder like how much of 1029 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,200 this becomes part of the branding? 1030 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,080 And I wondered how much, you know, you talk about 1031 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,320 microtransactions like there's a world where you could be like, 1032 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,080 hey man, I'm going to spend $200.00 on microtransactions to 1033 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,800 buy, you know, digital NIL money for my Indiana virtual football 1034 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,200 team. But 20% of that is going to a 1035 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,960 real Indiana NIL collective. Like there's a world where EA 1036 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,360 Sports could push this into like I'm I'm going to buy NIL money 1037 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,400 that's going to going to then fund the school that I want to 1038 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,840 fund both virtually and real. I think it's, you know, that 1039 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,320 this is going to be the fascinating thing. 1040 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,000 It's like everything's on the table and everything, the way 1041 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,040 that we think about how this stuff gets funded, if we think 1042 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,840 about it at all. And I think a lot of people have 1043 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,880 not thought about it at all. It's just going to be 1044 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,720 fundamentally altered as we move forward. 1045 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,400 And why not? I mean, where else? 1046 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,880 You know, the, one of the things in business and, and in 1047 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,680 fundraising is you've, you're in donate, you know, trying to 1048 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,640 garner donations. You want to get people into a 1049 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,240 state where they feel emotionally invested in what 1050 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:26,560 they're giving money to. And you know, that's why to a 1051 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,160 large degree, like college athletic departments, like when 1052 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,800 you go to, you're going to renew your season tickets. 1053 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,000 Well, boom, there's hey, there's the donation form for additional 1054 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,840 money that you're going to give on top of this money that you're 1055 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,720 already giving. In this case, if you're sitting 1056 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:43,640 there for hours coaching your own team in your fake dynasty 1057 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,680 and you're getting, you know, you've got the the fight song 1058 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,560 playing constantly, you got the colors. 1059 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,760 I mean, you could not be in an environment that is any more 1060 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,760 custom made to ask for money than you are right there. 1061 00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,960 And if you can somehow fit it organically into the play, hey, 1062 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,680 that sounds like a marketer's wet dream. 1063 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,840 And it also sounds like a horrific psychological 1064 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,640 experiment all at the same time. I know we're going back to the 1065 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,760 game, like I do wonder if the game's going to have any, any 1066 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,360 humor with what's going on where like if you're the coach, can 1067 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,920 you come out and complain to your fan base you're not getting 1068 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,480 enough NIL dollars? And like, are they going to have 1069 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,120 pieces where you can like some of the things we've talked about 1070 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,600 jokingly, like, cause a lot of time, you know, and I understand 1071 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,720 the game. It's also like the game has 1072 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:31,600 never allowed you when it was there to, you know, break the 1073 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,680 BCS and like have a 12 team tournament. 1074 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,480 It was always whatever the construct was. 1075 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,800 I don't think they're going to have like a conference 1076 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,560 realignment generator because they'll just want you to buy the 1077 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,960 game again next year with the updated conferences. 1078 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,440 But it, I, I wouldn't mind the game having a little bit of 1079 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,600 humor with those types of with how crazy things are. 1080 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,200 Like can you buy sponsorship? Like can you bitch to your fans? 1081 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,280 You're not getting I own dollars and things like that. 1082 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,120 Yeah, no, it's a real interesting thing because 1083 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:04,760 ultimately there's a a lot of what occurred before in this 1084 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,840 game was the NCAA, because they were the ones controlling the 1085 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,280 license would not let certain things in the game like that let 1086 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,040 2014 NCLA 2014 and you couldn't do a playoff under the under the 1087 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,200 set up it which was weird because there was an addition to 1088 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,320 the game. I know it was O2 or O3 where you 1089 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,480 could do a playoff and then the NCAA was like, no, no, no, well, 1090 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,720 this is this game is not happening because of the NCAA. 1091 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,800 This game is happening because of the conferences and because 1092 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,320 of the the NIL settlement. So I do wonder if maybe some 1093 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,880 humor gets put back in. I was, I was joking with someone 1094 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,080 online yesterday or a couple days ago about that, where it's 1095 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,280 like, will there be an option to complain about a lack of NIL 1096 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,040 support if you're a coach? I mean, there's already, from 1097 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680 what we saw, this is where you need to watch the dynasty stuff 1098 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,840 where you can like slide into a recruit's DMS. 1099 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,320 But you can also go look at a recruit's social media history 1100 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,280 and like get a sense of like what pitches that they need to, 1101 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,600 to have given to them based upon what they've tweeted or 1102 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,880 whatever, you know, whatever social media they're utilizing. 1103 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,120 So maybe there will be some actual like real life funny shit 1104 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,880 that goes on with this. I think it could be pretty 1105 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,560 fascinating. Or maybe like one of those games 1106 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,200 where like, yeah, as a coach, you have to then read the 1107 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,040 newspaper, like what's going on in the court hearings. 1108 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560 Like I'm going to read the court cases from 20/20/2028 like 1109 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:26,400 what's going on with the NCAA. Anyway, going to be going to be 1110 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,080 interesting 11 last breaking thing, Rocco Miller, my buddy 1111 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,120 from College Hoops Bracketology just announced this Indiana 1112 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,680 hosting UNC Greensboro in basketball this year, which that 1113 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,960 means, as Mike Schumann from the De la Hoosier pointed out, only 1114 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,440 three unknown games now for IU in this upcoming season. 1115 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,000 So the if you look at the, the the schedule as we currently 1116 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,520 think we know it. And based on that, I mean those 1117 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,400 3 unknowns should probably just more likely going to be just 1118 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,840 nothing. So, so right now it looks like, 1119 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,280 you know, from the, from what we've seen in this 2024 25, I 1120 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,160 actually don't have the schedule up right now. 1121 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,120 I thought I was going to be able to pull it up, but I'm I, I 1122 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,080 don't have it at this point, unfortunately. 1123 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,840 But you know, scheduling wise, it's it's going to be one of 1124 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,440 those where the Atlantis tournament is almost certainly 1125 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,000 going to be kind of the the only major thing that you see in the 1126 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,440 non conference season. I think you've got some decent 1127 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,200 teams. I mean, you know, Sam Houston 1128 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,200 State is apparently the, that, that is a, a game that's going 1129 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,880 to happen. And Sam Houston State was was a 1130 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,960 decent team this last year in Ken Palm. 1131 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,800 They finished 142nd. Greensboro actually finished 1132 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,200 147th. So that's another team that Mike 1133 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,240 Woodson and his staff have scheduled that is not a terrible 1134 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,800 team. They're they're right in the 1135 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,120 middle of the Ken Palm rankings. We know that Indiana's also 1136 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,120 playing Eastern Illinois, Chattanooga, and then they get, 1137 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,280 we don't know what the bracket's going to look like for the 1138 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,760 Battle for Atlantis, but we know that that's got several pretty 1139 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,360 good teams in it. Arizona, Gonzaga, Oklahoma's 1140 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,440 there, West Virginia's there, Providence, Louisville, 1141 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,720 Davidson. So yeah, some interesting stuff 1142 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,000 as far as all that's concerned. I mean, it does. 1143 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,800 The only thing I will say is it, you know, if there's no other 1144 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,200 real marquee games, it's going to put a real premium on 1145 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,760 Atlantis. And depending on how that 1146 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,960 bracket breaks, you know, you don't want to be in a spot where 1147 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,120 if you, you know, you lose your first game and then you play 1148 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,640 Davidson and then maybe you're playing, you know, Oklahoma. 1149 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,120 There's a path where you could go to Atlantis and because of 1150 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,760 one tough loss, come away with not a lot to show for it from a, 1151 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,880 from a, you know, RPI or Ken Palm perspective. 1152 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,280 And then you're kind of fighting that battle that we were 1153 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,520 fighting all last year. We're just the the non 1154 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,640 conference is kind of haunting your entire season. 1155 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,880 We're going to get into that as we get closer to basketball 1156 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,520 season. But yes, also big 1157 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,960 congratulations to the mayor, Adam Howard, who just got named 1158 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,080 as the assistant director of recruiting and operations for 1159 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,920 Indiana University basketball. If you're on social media at 1160 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,800 all, you, you, you probably follow Adam. 1161 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,320 If you don't, you should really big congratulations to him. 1162 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,800 Nice step in his career as he gets a, a permanent position 1163 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,120 with IU and has been a big part. I know of what the program's 1164 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,160 done over the last few years. So anyway, that'll wrap it up 1165 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,360 for us. I hope those of you who are 1166 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,920 listening or watching have a wonderful 4th of July. 1167 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,480 Or if you've already had the 4th of July, We have a great weekend 1168 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,560 and extended one hopefully for everybody. 1169 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,120 Scott, any does the does the neighborhood shoot off its own 1170 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,400 special brand of fireworks or like how does this do you get 1171 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,000 them imported directly from Macau? 1172 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,600 Like how does how does this operate? 1173 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,360 Yes. Yes, directly we have a 1174 00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,320 shipment. It's funny. 1175 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,600 I'm laughing only because there is not on our street, but there 1176 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,560 is the street behind us. They shoot off fireworks and 1177 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,800 they actually have it synced to an app where you can listen to 1178 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,800 music and it's like it's a guy who does pyrotechnics and it's 1179 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,000 like he does a 20 minute show. It's dynamite every year. 1180 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,240 It's sometimes better than the Westfield ones. 1181 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,280 The Westfield had drones last year, which is kind of cool. 1182 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,760 So we have a pretty solid fireworks show here. 1183 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,560 So actually it's July. He always does them on July 3rd, 1184 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,200 so he does them a day early. So we are recording this on July 1185 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,320 3rd. I'm about to go hop into my 1186 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,720 buddy's pool. We're having a pool party and 1187 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,440 then we're going to watch the fireworks, assuming it doesn't 1188 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040 rain. How does, how does waffles 1189 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,880 handle fireworks? So waffles is my dog, for those 1190 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,960 who don't know, I don't, I don't bring inanimate objects to the 1191 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,800 to the, to the party. I have my waffles. 1192 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,880 I have my French toast and my French toast is scared. 1193 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,080 We're very nervous about Scott, my dog. 1194 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,640 He's OK with him, honestly. He does no barking. 1195 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,440 He's he's more freaked out with squirrels and noises in the 1196 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,760 backyard. Fireworks kind of almost are 1197 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,560 like beyond the level of noise. It's like if he thinks he hears 1198 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,200 a squirrel, he's going nuts. He doesn't do too well. 1199 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,160 How how do your dogs do through through fireworks? 1200 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,800 Nelson no problems. Nelson could care less, frankly, 1201 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,640 or couldn't care less. Stewart really struggles, like 1202 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,680 to the point we've had to kind of medicate him a little bit 1203 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,440 just to just to calm him down, which makes the the this is the 1204 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,240 downside to having the holiday in the middle of the week 1205 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,960 because people started shooting, shooting the fireworks off last 1206 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,120 Thursday. And they'll go through another 1207 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,080 yeah. Week and a half, probably. 1208 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,400 Yeah. It's great, great time. 1209 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,680 That was not a thing when we were kids, Scott. 1210 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,320 Like people just shot the fireworks off on the 4th and a 1211 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,760 lot of times you were doing it at home. 1212 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,120 It was great. You'd you know, you'd go by the 1213 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,160 out of state fireworks and you'd sign the form saying I, I 1214 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,320 promise I'm not shooting these off in state, which many of you 1215 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,160 think back on that. It's like that was that whole 1216 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,400 facade was really stupid, but I would love to know somebody who 1217 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,000 got arrested for that. Like that must suck. 1218 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,960 That would that would be a really like, come on, man. 1219 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,360 Like, really? Conversely, I'd love to know who 1220 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,640 actually was like we got to take these out of state like it would 1221 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,800 like drive to Illinois and shoot them there. 1222 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,200 It's like, wow, I you are not cool. 1223 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,440 You you, you are not a person who it would be a whole lot of 1224 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,960 fun to hang out with. I'm guessing I'll. 1225 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,440 I'll give you a point if you want to cut this. 1226 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,000 But like, it's probably the same people who now go to Illinois 1227 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,320 and like, we got to smoke this here. 1228 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,920 We can't go back to Indiana. I don't know what you're talking 1229 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,680 about, Scott. Anyway, all right, we'll, we'll 1230 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,720 wrap it up there. Thanks to all of you folks for 1231 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,760 listening and thank you, Scott. We'll look forward to talking 1232 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,440 more IU football, IU basketball. We're going to have a fun month 1233 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,640 of July. Looking forward to the next few 1234 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,040 months here as we get ramped up for IU sports season. 1235 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,040 Thanks to Hopefield Apparel and thanks to the entire rest of the 1236 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,120 back home network. For all those folks, I'm Galen 1237 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,680 Clavio. Bring back the Bison. 1238 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,520 We'll catch you on the flip side. 1239 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,000 So everybody.