1
00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,720
Good afternoon, folks, and 
welcome to an emergency podcast 

2
00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,040
on the Back Home Network. 
I'm Galen Clavio from Crimson 

3
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,600
Cast and joined by Tony Adrani 
from the IU Film Room. 

4
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,640
And we are here. 
We couldn't launch last night 

5
00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,200
because it was too late by the 
time we got the news. 

6
00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,320
But two new IU basketball 
commits in the stable for the 

7
00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,040
Indiana men's basketball team. 
Tony, exciting times all around 

8
00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,080
as the roster slowly starting to
take shape. 

9
00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,080
Thank you for jumping in in the 
middle of the day. 

10
00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320
How you doing today? 
I'm doing well. 

11
00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,040
Always a pleasure coming here on
Crimson Cast. 

12
00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,480
I don't know if I've ever been 
on a Crimson Cast Emergency 

13
00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,280
podcast so this is new for me. 
Just checking off stuff on the 

14
00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,360
bingo card right now, right? 
It's amazing. 

15
00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,760
If you would like to chime in, 
we do have our YouTube comments 

16
00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,600
section open and TJ already in 
there noting finally got a point

17
00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,920
guard. 
We're going to talk about that. 

18
00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,880
We got some video clips we're 
going to play here shortly as we

19
00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,240
talk through. 
Tony's been doing an amazing job

20
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,520
of going through looking at 
these players. 

21
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,720
We've had some advance notice, 
Tony, on some of these guys, and

22
00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,560
it's been nice because it's 
giving you plenty of time to 

23
00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,400
gather footage and do some 
analysis. 

24
00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,040
This is where kind of the 
underground world of college 

25
00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,240
portal recruiting is coming in 
handy, right? 

26
00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,000
Certainly. 
So, yeah. 

27
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,240
The only thing that stinks is 
when I get a little Intel, I do 

28
00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,920
all this film dive on somebody 
and then they don't commit. 

29
00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,680
That one's no fun. 
It's one of those things where 

30
00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,080
you you can't control it, but 
it's just it's a deal. 

31
00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,320
You got to deal with the deal or
whatever. 

32
00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,600
The main thing has to be the 
main thing, as Kurt Signetti 

33
00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,040
would say on all of this. 
And let's go ahead and dive in 

34
00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,640
though and talk through the 
we're going to talk through both

35
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,960
of the commits from yesterday 
and then talk in general about 

36
00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,080
what's going on in in IU 
basketball from a roster 

37
00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,680
perspective. 
But first, just a reminder were 

38
00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,560
brought to you by home field 
apparel, your place to go for 

39
00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,920
the finest in college fashions, 
the softest fabrics, the coolest

40
00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:21,640
designs. 
Folks, if you did not go get an 

41
00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:24,960
order in yet for the baseball 
collection that they just 

42
00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,120
dropped, go check it out right 
now. 

43
00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,080
They they may be out of stock 
already, but they've got a great

44
00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,840
IU baseball collection and I 
don't. 

45
00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,440
Did you get a chance to look at 
this yet, Tony? 

46
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,800
Yeah, it's magnificent. 
It's wild. 

47
00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,800
It's wildly good. 
The the the Diamond series, I 

48
00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,640
believe is what they're calling 
this one. 

49
00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,200
And it's just a little bit of 
everything. 

50
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,040
You've got a a wonderful 
pullover. 

51
00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,720
You've got a great IU hat. 
I know a lot of people like 

52
00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,520
myself are, are always on the 
look for for good IU hats 

53
00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,480
because they're not always the 
easiest to find. 

54
00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,760
And then you've got a bag as 
well. 

55
00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,840
And actually I'm going to just 
pull the ballpark bundle up here

56
00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,120
real quick so everybody can take
a look at it as it is definitely

57
00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,920
worth checking out over on home 
field apparel.com. 

58
00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:09,160
You can see it right here. 
Look at that. 

59
00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,680
That is that is just a kind of 
stellar looking pullover. 

60
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,800
You get a bag with that, you get
the hat 156 bucks. 

61
00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000
If you use the code home 23, you
can get 15% off your first order

62
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,440
with home field. 
So head on over to home field 

63
00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,360
apparel.com and check out their 
full selection of IU gear. 

64
00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,080
You'll be glad you did tell them
we sent you. 

65
00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,640
We're not brought to you by the 
pop Tarts bowl, but I am wearing

66
00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,520
my pop Tarts bowl quarter zip 
that I ordered four months ago 

67
00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,160
and then it just appeared out of
the blue. 

68
00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,840
I'm not sure where that man 
maybe tariffs a couple podcasts.

69
00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,440
In a row now you've mentioned 
these tariffs. 

70
00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,720
It's a it's tariff month. 
What can I say? 

71
00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,320
No tariffs on IU portal 
recruiting though, as a Indiana 

72
00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,440
importing players from all over 
the country. 

73
00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,000
And we wanted to go ahead and 
dive in and talk about both of 

74
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,280
those guys. 
First of all, let's talk about 

75
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,480
the player that we heard about 
first. 

76
00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,520
And this is a guy whose name has
been floating around quite a bit

77
00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,640
and that's taking Conner way 
point guard, kind of a a non 

78
00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,960
traditional stats line to some 
degree. 

79
00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,120
Tony, I'm going to try to play 
some video here. 

80
00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,839
I want to see if it'll so that 
we're we're I'm going to have to

81
00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,600
do a little bit of surgery on 
this real quick, but I've got 

82
00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,440
some highlights that I'll play. 
But I wanted you to talk first 

83
00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,320
about Conner way first and and 
what he brings to the table for 

84
00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,000
IU as a point guard or as a guy 
that you could see is 

85
00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,560
potentially a starter. 
Yeah, I mean, he's he's exactly 

86
00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,080
the mold. 
I think that fits Darren debris 

87
00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,040
system and you know, maybe not 
as good of a shooter, but has a 

88
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,600
nice big strong frame, very, 
very good defensively. 

89
00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,720
I think he had the third highest
steel rate in the country last 

90
00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,480
season and then just distributes
the ball, you know, assist rate 

91
00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,360
very high, I believe somewhere 
around 35.6 or something like 

92
00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,880
that. 
I mean, great assist rate, great

93
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,320
steal rate, doesn't shoot the 
ball particularly well from the 

94
00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,080
outside. 
Now when I was looking at some 

95
00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,680
of the film too on Connor way, 
you know, as you can see pulled 

96
00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,560
up here, he was 37 of 134 last 
year from the three-point line. 

97
00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,040
And, you know, you might see 
that and go, you know, that that

98
00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,880
reminds me of yesteryear. 
Well, the next thing I would say

99
00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,400
is look at everybody else's 
percentages as you go down that 

100
00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,440
list. 
But also, you know, he took a 

101
00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,640
lot of tough shots. 
Troy didn't have a great offense

102
00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,200
and he still was able to get to 
the rim quite a bit. 

103
00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,760
I think he averaged like 15 
points per game or somewhere in 

104
00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,560
that realm. 
And like I said, just gets to 

105
00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,320
the hole very, very well, uses 
that big strong frame that he's 

106
00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,040
got. 
But then when he gets to there, 

107
00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,840
you know, he really has a good 
IQ about him. 

108
00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,960
Gets the ball to the right 
people in the right spots, which

109
00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,960
obviously translates to him 
having a high assist rate, but, 

110
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,480
you know, just a good decision 
maker. 

111
00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,720
And that's who you want at your 
point guard, a guy that that, 

112
00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,160
you know, leads the charge on 
both ends of the floor. 

113
00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,200
And that's really, I think what 
attracted Darren Devries to 

114
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,640
Connor way is that he plays both
sides and he plays extremely 

115
00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,320
hard. 
And that's like, you know, in 

116
00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,280
the press conferences and 
everything that you heard about 

117
00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:20,200
Devries and his teams, it like 
fits that mold of of dudes that 

118
00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,640
are going to play hard. 
They're gritty, they grind or 

119
00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,200
whatever you want to, you know, 
whatever buzzword want to use. 

120
00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:28,760
That's Connor way. 
And so you know, he was Sunbelt 

121
00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,000
Player of the year, which which 
was fantastic. 

122
00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,960
And, you know, I'm excited to 
see him kind of lead the charge 

123
00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,120
for IU on both ends of the 
floor. 

124
00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:44,120
Yeah, I mean, what sticks out 
it's it's wild to have a assist 

125
00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,960
to turnover rate of almost 2 to 
one, but still have a 20% 

126
00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,280
turnover rate. 
Like, like his assists were off 

127
00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,080
the charts for for Troy this 
last year. 

128
00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,280
And you know, really, you know, 
the the other thing that you 

129
00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,920
noted like the steals percentage
and this idea of this is a 

130
00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,080
player who's clearly taking on 
ball defense very, very 

131
00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,760
seriously, not necessarily 
something that has been a 

132
00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,480
hallmark of IU over the course 
of the last couple of years. 

133
00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,480
They've been kind of low on the 
turnover percentage market. 

134
00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,400
Wasn't a key part of what what 
Mike Woodson wanted to do 

135
00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,800
defensively, but especially at 
the point of attack, You, you 

136
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,760
want somebody who can really 
disrupt the opposing teams ball 

137
00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,200
handlers. 
You want someone that can get in

138
00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,320
the passing lanes quickly. 
This guy just looks like a dog, 

139
00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,480
you know, with, with an AW. 
This guy looks like someone who 

140
00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,440
works hard, athletic all over 
the place, and really can cover 

141
00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,560
a lot of ground the way that 
maybe some of the IU point 

142
00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,600
guards of the recent past 
haven't quite been able to. 

143
00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,440
Yeah, I mean, he got pretty good
length from point guard 2 at six

144
00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,200
three, you know, and I was 
looking back even at some of his

145
00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,840
JUCO stats, his his yeah, he's 
moving. 

146
00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,040
He shot around like 35% from the
three-point line. 

147
00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,400
So he does have that in him to 
to shoot at a little bit of a 

148
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,720
higher percentage. 
And he's just not going to be 

149
00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,240
asked to carry the load like he 
was at Troy either. 

150
00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,280
You know, when you you think of 
who else will be on the 

151
00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,680
offensive end with him, he's 
going to have driving lanes 

152
00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,520
opened up because he's going to 
have shooters all over the 

153
00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,760
floor. 
So he's going to have straight 

154
00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,480
line driving opportunities and 
then be able to knock down an 

155
00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,680
open shot right when when the 
ball swung to you. 

156
00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,160
And so, yeah, so I'm excited to 
see kind of how that plays out. 

157
00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,480
But yeah, you noted like just 
just very much a guy that 

158
00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,360
Indiana hasn't necessarily seen 
leading the charge at the point 

159
00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,039
guard position in quite some 
time. 

160
00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,280
Kenneth noted in the comments, 
Conway's film reminds me of 

161
00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,480
Hepburn's gameplay. 
Miles highlights of his driving 

162
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,560
lane reminding me of Milos Uzon.
There was another comment, it 

163
00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,960
was a question, it was a couple 
of questions. 

164
00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,840
So Greg asked if there was a Boo
booey comp potentially with 

165
00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,040
Conway. 
There was another question which

166
00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,040
is a little more pertinent to 
Darren Devries. 

167
00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,760
How does Conway compared to 
Javon Smalls, who of course was 

168
00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,080
the the lead guard for debris at
West Virginia last year? 

169
00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,080
Do you see any comparisons 
between either of those guys? 

170
00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,000
I think defensively certainly, 
you know, guy that's going to 

171
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,920
get after it and be that point 
of attack, you know, head of the

172
00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,080
snake if you will. 
But you know, offensively Javon 

173
00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,800
Small was a little bit more 
finesse and athletic and could 

174
00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,840
shoot the ball a little bit 
better, whereas Conner Way, he 

175
00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,720
really has like an old man game 
to him. 

176
00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,200
You know, he's he's not going to
wow you with his athleticism or 

177
00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,600
his quickness. 
It's just like he understands 

178
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,040
how to get the spots, 
understands change of pace, 

179
00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,920
change of direction. 
So, you know, there's a little 

180
00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,000
bit of a comparison there. 
But you know, ultimately, like 

181
00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,120
there's not a lot of dudes like 
Conner way because you know, 

182
00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,320
shootings at such a high premium
these days. 

183
00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:48,440
I think it's probably why you 
saw, you know, some of the big 

184
00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,040
dogs maybe not going after 
Connerway as much as Indiana 

185
00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,200
really wanted them, but a lot of
these other teams don't have 

186
00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,840
multiple high volume, high 
percentage 3 point shooters on 

187
00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,600
the floor either. 
That's going to open things up 

188
00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,720
where Connerway can kind of soar
with the strength. 

189
00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,880
Yeah, that it's one of the 
things that I've been trying to 

190
00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,560
counsel people on on the show. 
It's like this is not what I I 

191
00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,600
think I use the whole food. 
Like you're shopping in the 

192
00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,840
Whole Foods produce section or 
the meat section. 

193
00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,080
You got to know what you're 
making for dinner if you're a 

194
00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,720
coach. 
Like you can't just go out and 

195
00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,120
grab the most expensive stuff 
off the shelves to go. 

196
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,600
Because if you end up with like 
3 lbs of Wagyu beef and 6 lbs of

197
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,520
lobster, you got a lot of meat, 
but you don't have anything to 

198
00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,760
like flesh the meal out. 
Like Indiana's got shooters. 

199
00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,400
They've got Tucker debris, 
they've got Lamar Wilkerson. 

200
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,440
They needed a distributor. 
And I think everybody knew 

201
00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,320
Connor Enright was going to be 
an important piece, but not the 

202
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,920
starting piece. 
He he probably could do that in 

203
00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,360
a pinch. 
He might rise to the occasion, 

204
00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,120
but you want to have a guy with 
more minutes. 

205
00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,640
And this is this is that part of
the ingredient list? 

206
00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,280
Like you need someone who can go
out, who can distribute the 

207
00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,040
basketball effectively, who can,
you know, get after it on 

208
00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,280
defense, can shoot when they 
drive. 

209
00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,720
And I think that's the other 
thing with him. 

210
00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,280
It's like you. 
The whole idea of spacing, as 

211
00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,120
you've talked about many times, 
isn't just spacing for the sake 

212
00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,720
of getting shooters out there. 
It's to open up the lane. 

213
00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,200
And you, if you're opening up 
the lane, you need someone who 

214
00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,480
can take advantage of the fact 
that they're one-on-one with a 

215
00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,760
defender that can't handle them.
That seems like exactly what 

216
00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,960
this particular player can 
provide to IU, given the rest of

217
00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,000
the offense. 
Absolutely, and and that's 

218
00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,280
what's exciting about it, right,
because Indiana just hasn't had 

219
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,200
that really since, you know, the
Tom Crean era and guys that are 

220
00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,960
just able to space the floor and
you just see a fun dynamic 

221
00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,120
offense that the ball's moving, 
it's popping, guys are attacking

222
00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,560
close outs, those types of 
things. 

223
00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:44,160
Like that's obviously what 
Connerway is going to be tasked 

224
00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,640
with doing is getting Indiana 
into that offense. 

225
00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,240
You know, they debris talked 
about that 12 seconds or less. 

226
00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,800
So he's going to be pushing the 
pace. 

227
00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,960
But then you mentioned in right 
too, like Conner, Wayne Enright 

228
00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,280
can share the floor together 
too. 

229
00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,000
If you want to play a little bit
of a different style, you want 

230
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,680
to have multiple ball handlers 
on the floor with some shooters,

231
00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,160
you want to go a little bit more
small balls. 

232
00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,320
So like that's what's nice too. 
As you see this roster start to 

233
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,200
build out, as you see guys that 
are kind of multi positional or 

234
00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,200
could play a couple different 
spots, you know, if you get in 

235
00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,040
foul trouble or injuries or 
whatever may happen is like 

236
00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,760
there's guys on this team now 
that they can kind of fill 

237
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,720
multiple roles. 
And Conway is one of those like 

238
00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,000
you, you primarily want him on 
the ball probably, but you can 

239
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,160
move him off the ball if you 
want to get, you know, if you 

240
00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,800
want to have an in right run the
offense or you want Wilkerson to

241
00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,240
kind of initiate actions or run 
debris is kind of a point 

242
00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,000
forward type of action. 
Like Conorway can still play off

243
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,640
the ball and he's a threat, not 
necessarily from deep, but he's 

244
00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,160
a threat that he's once he has 
the ball, he's going to make 

245
00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880
good decisions with it and 
defenses still have to respect 

246
00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,320
that. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

247
00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,920
So you know, you think about 
that combination like if 

248
00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,840
Indiana's actually got their 
one, their two and their three 

249
00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,920
now set between Conner Way, 
Wilkerson and Debris, that's a 

250
00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,400
great starting point. 
And and you're talking about, 

251
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,200
what, two of the top 10 
three-point shooters in the 

252
00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,840
Portal? 
Maybe two of the top five? 

253
00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:07,880
You know, it's hard to say. 
Totally. 

254
00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:11,480
Depends on how you look at it. 
And then you've now got a guy 

255
00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,200
who who does a lot of the things
you need. 

256
00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,640
One of the things I'm struck 
with, and we're going to go back

257
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,360
and look at this here in a 
minute, but I'm curious your 

258
00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,920
thoughts on this. 
If you go and look at that, that

259
00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,200
that sheet that I put up earlier
on, I'll call this back up. 

260
00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,720
I'm going to come back to this a
couple of times, folks. 

261
00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,640
One of the things I'm noticing 
with almost everybody that's 

262
00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,800
being brought in, they're all 
incredibly high minutes, people 

263
00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,720
at their old institutions. 
Like you look at Tatan 

264
00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,160
Connerway, 300 and 85th in the 
country in minutes played last 

265
00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,320
year, Wilkerson was 47th in the 
country in minutes played. 

266
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,240
Reed Bailey was 116th. 
Josiah Miles was 200 and 92nd. 

267
00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,640
Luke Goody was 89th, obviously. 
Sorry, that was his offensive 

268
00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,320
rating. 
My mistake. 

269
00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,600
But even someone like Tucker 
Devries, he didn't play that 

270
00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,600
much last year, but the year 
before it, Drake, he was 146 in 

271
00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,520
the country in minutes. 
What do you take from that? 

272
00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,520
I mean, these are a lot of high 
usage guys, high minutes guys. 

273
00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,240
You don't normally see all of 
those players coming together on

274
00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,360
a team. 
What is the thought process here

275
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,120
if you're Darren Devries? 
Well, I think what it showcases 

276
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,680
more than anything, first and 
foremost is that Debris has a 

277
00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,280
plan and he's good at selling it
because it's not easy to sell. 

278
00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,160
I mean, granted, it's a little 
bit easier now because you 

279
00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,760
there's money involved, right? 
So selling a less role for more 

280
00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,200
amount of money does make that 
blow a little bit easier to 

281
00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,560
withstand. 
But still you have to you have 

282
00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,480
to sell a vision and a plan for 
guys that are like you said, 

283
00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,120
have been high usage, high 
minutes. 

284
00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,840
And what does that mean for 
them? 

285
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,760
And how do you do that in your 
recruiting pitch to say, Hey, 

286
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,440
we've got XY and Z coming in? 
Because those are the questions 

287
00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,520
the agents and the players are 
asking, right? 

288
00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,080
Like, hey, you've got so and so 
coming in and so and so coming 

289
00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,440
in, like, how do I fit into 
this? 

290
00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,200
And so for me, I think it's, 
it's awesome that that the 

291
00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,120
breeze is selling this and it's,
it's resonating, right? 

292
00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,440
Because obviously all these guys
aren't going to be able to play 

293
00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,080
all those minutes. 
And so to me, that's the first 

294
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,920
thing that that gives me some 
confidence as an IU fan is like,

295
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,480
look, there's there's a lot of 
guys that have played a lot of 

296
00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,960
college basketball too, Like, 
and it's not like this is the 

297
00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,280
first time they played a lot of 
minutes. 

298
00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,800
Like a lot of these are three 
and four year guys that have 

299
00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,680
played high minutes the duration
of their college basketball 

300
00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,240
careers. 
And so now you're selling. 

301
00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,040
Yeah, a little bit of a lesser 
role, but sometimes that's a 

302
00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,440
good thing. 
Like, you know, when you're 

303
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,200
selling that you're like, 
remember how you felt in 

304
00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,520
February and your legs felt like
they had LED in them? 

305
00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,720
Like, you know, we can we can 
mitigate that by having you play

306
00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,560
6 less minutes a game. 
And we're going to be fresh for 

307
00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,440
that March run. 
We're going to go on because or 

308
00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,520
we're going to be playing into 
April and we need you fresh. 

309
00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,600
So there's a lot of good things 
involved with that. 

310
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,680
But then when your debris, yeah,
when you're trying to figure 

311
00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,880
out, all right, how do all these
pieces fit together? 

312
00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,960
I think it it goes back to what 
I said earlier. 

313
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,080
And like there's guys that are 
multifaceted, can play multiple 

314
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,360
positions and really that allows
you to adapt to the opponent 

315
00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,760
game to game. 
Like, you know, you could say 

316
00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,040
like this guy's going to play 20
minutes per game, but that might

317
00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,040
mean 30 against one opponent and
10 against another, right? 

318
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,640
And so to me, that's the nice 
thing is that you've got a lot 

319
00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,440
of versatility in your lineups 
and you can kind of adapt them 

320
00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,120
to to who your opponent is or 
just who's playing well that 

321
00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,560
night. 
I know that's somewhat of a 

322
00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,560
foreign concept as well around 
here of like, hey, ride the hot 

323
00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,040
hand a little bit, right? 
And so you you have the 

324
00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,480
opportunities to do things like 
that. 

325
00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,960
And so as an IU fan, I think 
that's exciting. 

326
00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:37,120
Yeah, it it certainly is. 
Let's jump to the other player 

327
00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,440
that signed yesterday. 
This was actually the first of 

328
00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,920
the two players that signed or 
announced, I guess that he was 

329
00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,080
going to be coming to IU, had 
the graphic and everything. 

330
00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,520
And that is Josiah Miles, who, 
if you look at this chart that 

331
00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:55,600
I've got up, is IS6662O5, an 
unusual player in that he's a 

332
00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,320
sophomore according to 
eligibility and numbers that 

333
00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,680
don't jump off the page quite as
much in terms of shooting except

334
00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,480
for volume. 
Shot 224 threes last year, hit 

335
00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,920
33%, shot 162 two pointers, hit 
56%. 

336
00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,520
Was in the top 300 in defensive 
rebounding percentage and that 

337
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,040
was with a ton of minutes 
played. 

338
00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,920
You did a deep dive video wise 
into Josiah Miles. 

339
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,680
What do you see out of this 
player and how does he fit into 

340
00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,920
this tapestry? 
Yeah, again, just a lot of 

341
00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,600
length, young in, you know, 
relatively speaking for this 

342
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,520
roster especially, but young but
also has a lot of experience, 

343
00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,240
you know, played, has played a 
lot of college basketball. 

344
00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,840
I think he played in, what, 
almost 60 games now as a college

345
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,160
basketball player. 
So yeah, it has a lot of length 

346
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,360
to them, can get shots up, and 
you're certainly going to see 

347
00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,680
that volume go down for him. 
And with volume going down, 

348
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,040
typically you're going to see 
percentages going up, and that's

349
00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,400
what Indiana's going to need him
to be. 

350
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,320
He's a good straight line 
driver, really does. 

351
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,000
He favors his right hand a lot, 
but he still figures out a way 

352
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,080
to get to the hoop. 
What I really like about him is 

353
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,160
when he gets to the hoop, he 
plays off 2 feet, and that's a 

354
00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,120
big J right thing that he talks 
about is playing off 2 feet. 

355
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,920
You have more control. 
You still have both pivot feet 

356
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,400
that you can use things like 
that and and Miles is very good 

357
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,080
at that. 
And then, you know, defensively 

358
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,600
he's got some length to him, you
know, can guard multiple 

359
00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,680
positions, which is nice, which 
is Indiana's going to need, you 

360
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,400
know, and you can just adapt. 
So for him, yeah, like you said,

361
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400
not not like a hyper efficient 
player, not somebody that's just

362
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,520
going to jump off the page at 
you when you're looking at him 

363
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,000
and like transfer port, transfer
portal rankings and stuff. 

364
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,400
But to me, that gives me a 
little bit of comfort too, 

365
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,440
because it's like Debris isn't 
just going after the big fish. 

366
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,200
He's going after guys that he 
thinks fit whatever he's trying 

367
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,920
to accomplish, right? 
And so that's what I like about 

368
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,240
this pickup in particular is 
like, look, Indiana identified 

369
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,760
him. 
I don't think he was on 

370
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,840
anybody's radar. 
That's like a fan until Monday. 

371
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,080
It was announced like, hey, this
guy's visiting tomorrow and by 

372
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,640
Wednesday he's got a recruitment
locked up. 

373
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,960
So that's kind of a cool thing 
too with with this regime is 

374
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,840
like they really seem to be kind
of operating stealthily. 

375
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,040
And, and you know, like I said, 
nobody really knew this was 

376
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,960
coming until it basically 
happened. 

377
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,360
And so I like it. 
I think it's a good pick up. 

378
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,240
You got a guy with with multiple
years to to kind of grow and, 

379
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,840
and have some continuity, 
hopefully moving forward in the 

380
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,320
years following this. 
So, you know, and at the end of 

381
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,240
the day, like a dude that 
averaged 15 points per game as a

382
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,800
college basketball player, 
nothing to shake a leaf at. 

383
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,840
No. 
And you know, I was a little bit

384
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,640
like, OK, how does this player 
fit? 

385
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,920
Like where you know, 'cause you 
look at the the efficiency 

386
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,680
numbers by themselves and they 
don't, like I said, they don't 

387
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,560
exactly jump off the page. 
And North Florida was not that 

388
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,160
great of a team last year, but I
was really struck with Miles in 

389
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,880
particular by how important he 
was to their offense down the 

390
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,120
stretch of this season. 
I mean, if you go back to last 

391
00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:10,160
year, starting on December 1st, 
he only had one game. 

392
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,400
The entire rest of the season 
where he scored in single 

393
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,280
figures, you know, every other 
game was he was a double figure 

394
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,280
scorer and and you know, he had 
he had a 22 point game, he had a

395
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,400
another 22 point game, a 20 
point game, a bunch of games he 

396
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,920
scored 18. 
So you know the the idea you've 

397
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,080
got this guy who can come in. 
He can he's certainly not afraid

398
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,360
to shoot the three, but he can 
also drive. 

399
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,480
He can also rebound. 
This strikes me as one of those 

400
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,920
almost like that's kind of like 
Will Sheehy's role on that 

401
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,600
20/12/2013 team. 
Like a Swiss army knife. 

402
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,800
A guy you're not expecting to 
start, but if you can get 18 to 

403
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,240
24 minutes out of him, maybe 
more on certain nights, less on 

404
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,640
others. 
You absolutely need that type of

405
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,120
a player, especially one that 
could potentially play 3 

406
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,400
different positions for you. 
Yeah, You know, what's cool 

407
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,720
about him too is you dive into 
the numbers a little bit deeper 

408
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,360
and from a spot up perspective 
where he's just catching and 

409
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,880
shooting, you know, an effective
field goal percentage of 58.3%. 

410
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,800
And that's more the role that 
Indiana will need him to play is

411
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,040
be a spot up shooter, knock him 
down when you're open and then, 

412
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,720
you know, in in ball screens. 
He was in the 80th percentile 

413
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,560
when he had the ball on his 
hands and receiving ball screen.

414
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,240
So again, you let when you put 
these pieces together, it allows

415
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,760
them to sort their strengths a 
bit more. 

416
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,680
You know, you're not relying on 
a guy like Miles to go ISO 

417
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,920
somebody every time down the 
floor where he may have had to 

418
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,440
do it North Florida as well. 
And then what we haven't even 

419
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,360
touched on yet is that he's a 
really good rebounder, you know,

420
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,200
and and that's something that's 
going to be integral for Darren 

421
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,240
Devries program. 
And especially, let's say Reed 

422
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,880
Bailey does end up being their 
center and, and the guy that 

423
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,360
they utilize moving forward kind
of as their their number 15. 

424
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,920
You're going to need help 
rebounding the basketball from 

425
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,120
your your wings and your guards.
And so when you accumulate guys 

426
00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,160
like Miles who go rebound the 
basketball well from kind of a 

427
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,640
wing spot, you know that that 
certainly aids the fact of, you 

428
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,760
know, if you've got a little bit
more of an undersized team. 

429
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,640
I'd like to thank we have 21188 
people watching us right now 

430
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,480
between YouTube and and Twitter.
So salute to all you folks for 

431
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,320
skipping work and coming out and
watching what's going on. 

432
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,960
And we've actually got Ryan 
Phillips who it looks like is, 

433
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,360
has joined us here from the West
Coast. 

434
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,880
Ryan, I guess the request for 
some time off work. 

435
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,880
Actually it worked this time, 
right? 

436
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,720
Yeah, just a little bit a couple
minutes to celebrate Commitment 

437
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,120
Day. 
Yeah, I've been I've been 

438
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,880
listening a long guys and and 
Tony, you do such a great job of

439
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,040
of breaking these guys down in 
their fits and everything. 

440
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,760
But the one thing that has stood
out to me is this seems going to

441
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,120
shoot a lot like whether or not,
you know, the guys have high 

442
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,160
percentage or not, they're not 
afraid to shoot it. 

443
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,600
And the other thing that I've 
noticed is if they don't shoot 

444
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,560
threes, they shoot at the rim. 
And I think this program has 

445
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,560
banished the long 2 from its 
from its playbook, which thank 

446
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,560
you God, but but you know, you 
can kind of see the philosophy 

447
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,760
coming together with the people 
they're getting in. 

448
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,440
And I think that one thing 
that's, you know, the type of 

449
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840
player you get in the portal in 
your first year may not be 

450
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,360
representative of what you're 
going to search for in 

451
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:19,760
recruiting and stuff going 
forward. 

452
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,720
It's you're getting you're 
you're picking from what you've 

453
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,240
got. 
And so he may not be the perfect

454
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,640
player, but what they're going 
after guys who a have had 

455
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,680
success at the college level, 
they're not banking on talent, 

456
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,120
they're banking on production. 
And and you know, and obviously 

457
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,120
you're picking guys, you think 
you can translate that 

458
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,640
production. 
Wait, production over potential?

459
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:46,120
Where have I heard that before? 
But it's, you know, it's it's 

460
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,040
very obvious. 
And the guys they've picked, I 

461
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,560
mean, they have gone after and 
I'm sure that they're guys they 

462
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,200
haven't, you know, they've 
wanted or, or, or and and 

463
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600
haven't gotten. 
But the the guys they're taking 

464
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,480
have produced at the college 
level. 

465
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,920
And it's, you know, that's kind 
of what everyone was begging for

466
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480
in a head coach, as well as 
somebody who had produced at the

467
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,240
college level. 
And and you got that with the 

468
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,440
reason now you're starting to 
see that come together with the 

469
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,560
roster so far. 
For those who are watching live 

470
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,320
on video, we're playing some 
highlights. 

471
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,120
I finally figured out the audio 
issues. 

472
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,760
So we're we're watching some 
Josiah Miles move into the rim 

473
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,400
right now. 
And Tony, this kind of opens up 

474
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720
the larger question now that you
know, let's talk about the fit 

475
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,400
with Wilkerson, with Bailey, 
with Enright, with some of these

476
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,400
other players possibilities 
still of Luke Goody coming back 

477
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,320
and you've obviously got Trent 
Sizzly coming in. 

478
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,880
There will be other signings. 
So I guess maybe first with what

479
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:41,160
we know that IU has, like where 
do you see the synergy working 

480
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,240
out the best? 
Ryan kind of pointed out like 

481
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,600
the shooting locations, you 
know, but what else about this 

482
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,920
particular combination of 
players from the film you've 

483
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,640
seen? 
We're we're watching some some 

484
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,960
Conner way stuff now from Troy 
and and you can see just he's 

485
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,960
got an interesting body. 
Like I'm just noticing this now 

486
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,240
that I'm watching this. 
He reminds me of this will sound

487
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,840
weird, but like the archetype of
the guard that plays for 

488
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,520
Arkansas, whatever era, like 
kind of slightly stocky in that 

489
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,360
like you can't blow him over 
with a strong breeze. 

490
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,280
There's a lot of physicality 
there. 

491
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240
A guy you don't want to get in 
front as you see of as they 

492
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,280
drive to the rim because you're 
probably going to end up on your

493
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,360
butt. 
This is not an A physical 

494
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,680
archetype of a player that I 
think I've seen in Indiana in a 

495
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,520
long time and that I find 
exciting, especially in light of

496
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,400
there was a comment we had 
earlier on in the chat that I 

497
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,280
thought was worth bringing up 
from Tony. 

498
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,720
You know, the other thought I 
have with these players that 

499
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,720
remind me of any player you see 
when you watch an SEC game. 

500
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,520
A player that's athletic, can 
score, can shoot and play modern

501
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,880
basketball. 
What, what are your thoughts on 

502
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,280
that, Tony? 
Yeah, I think that's the 

503
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,000
exciting part, right? 
Is like these look like guys you

504
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,520
see playing deep into March or 
team, you know, those teams you 

505
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,400
see playing deep into March, 
dynamic guard play can can shoot

506
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,760
the basketball, distribute the 
basketball. 

507
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,640
You know, all of the things that
we we just watched. 

508
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,480
You know, I'm not trying to say 
that this team that Debris's 

509
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,640
assembling is a final 4 caliber 
team or anything of that sort. 

510
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,920
But what I'm saying is that he's
he understands that, you know, 

511
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,480
the the way that Indiana's 
played basketball the past eight

512
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,640
seasons, really, I mean, really 
even 9 in Crean's last year 

513
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,280
isn't how modern basketball and 
teams win these days. 

514
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,720
And, you know, we're watching 
Wilkerson right now just 

515
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,160
absolutely fire 3 after three. 
I posted a video on Twitter an 

516
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,200
hour or two ago that was all 
seven of the players that we 

517
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,560
know are playing next season 
hitting 3, some of them very 

518
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,520
deep threes and just said, you 
know, projecting some rain at 

519
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,360
Assembly Hall next next season. 
Don't, don't show this video to 

520
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,400
Jared Morris, by the way. 
He'll need a moment. 

521
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840
He'll have to step. 
Down I'm I'm guessing there's a 

522
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,920
few in the 2000 here Harborough.
'S in a hot towel. 

523
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,440
I mean, yeah. 
Yeah, seriously. 

524
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,840
No, give the man. 
Ryan I think the thing that 

525
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120
strikes me about Wilkerson and 
and it's the same thing with 

526
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:09,680
Debris's footage, how quick the 
release is on these shots, which

527
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,400
again, it's felt like even the 
best IU shooters have had a a 

528
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,280
somewhat laborious delivery 
system to get the ball to the 

529
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600
basket. 
You know what it is, honestly, 

530
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280
Galen, is confidence. 
It's you're not thinking about 

531
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,640
it. 
You're open, you catch the ball,

532
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,760
you shoot it and and that's 
something that Indiana has not 

533
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,120
had since the green era. 
Really. 

534
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,920
I mean, they haven't had, I 
mean, you know, one or two here 

535
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,000
or there, but not consistently 
guys who just don't have a 

536
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,600
conscience. 
And if they're open, they're 

537
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,800
confident they can shoot it and 
they just they go. 

538
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,560
And you would see that from time
to time. 

539
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Like early this season, you saw 
with Mackenzie and Baca, if he 

540
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,200
got a ball in the three-point, 
you know, and at the three-point

541
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,360
line, he was open, he would just
fire. 

542
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,640
But that didn't last all season,
you know, and and I think that 

543
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,520
just the confidence of being 
able to take those shots and 

544
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,040
it's contagious. 
You know, if everybody else is 

545
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840
shooting threes, you're going to
also, if you're open, take it 

546
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720
and not question it. 
And I think that those kind of 

547
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,240
things build like a momentum 
within the team to build that 

548
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,520
confidence for shooting. 
And it's just been somebody 

549
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,880
that's been absent the program 
for a long time and almost a 

550
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,480
decade now. 
And that's that's scary when 

551
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,920
that's the way basketball is 
moving and has it's not moving. 

552
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,960
It has moved. 
Yeah. 

553
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,000
And and and Indiana was just 
lagging behind. 

554
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,880
And it's really is that simple. 
It's just knowing that if you 

555
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,240
take a three, you are you are at
the advantage because it's three

556
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,760
points versus 2. 
And if you can make them and you

557
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,280
have the confidence in making 
them, you're actually do it. 

558
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Even a miss, if you're confident
in shooting it, that you're 

559
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,680
going to come back and make one.
I mean, how many times do we see

560
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,000
an IU guy miss the first in a 
game and then not take any more 

561
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,960
the rest of the game? 
It happened all the time. 

562
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:56,080
And these guys, again, This is 
why proving it previously is so 

563
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,520
important. 
These guys have done this in 

564
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,120
college, you know, and, and the 
numbers barred out, it's not 

565
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,760
just they aren't just high 
percentages, they're making a 

566
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,640
solid number per game and 
shooting a solid number per 

567
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,480
game. 
So it's not just in theory, they

568
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,720
can make a lot. 
They have made a lot. 

569
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,480
And the three-point line is the 
same distance in every gym, 

570
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,320
every college gym in America, 
you can do it. 

571
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,200
And so now obviously they got to
figure out the big man situation

572
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,520
and what they're doing there. 
But the perimeter archetype 

573
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,200
they're building right now, I 
say let me one thing that's have

574
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,880
limited time. 
There's one thing I want to say 

575
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,600
about this too, is what you are 
proving here is you're taking 

576
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,800
guys and showing the next group 
that may come in what you are 

577
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,320
doing. 
So you get a guy who shoots a 

578
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,800
lot of threes. 
You run plays for him. 

579
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,920
That way when you're recruiting 
a shooter, you can put on the 

580
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,600
film and say, we're putting you 
there, but we're going to make 

581
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,080
you better. 
You're going to be better than 

582
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,040
that. 
You're going to take a point 

583
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,120
guard who distributes a lot and 
you're going to say, look, 

584
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,400
there's our guy. 
There's, you know, Enright or 

585
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,440
Connerway, like distributing, 
playing defense. 

586
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,520
That's what we're going to do 
with you. 

587
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,720
But we're going to make you 
better than that. 

588
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,040
And, you know, you know, 
enhancing those skills going to 

589
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,080
get you to the NBA. 
That's what you're doing here is

590
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,760
not just building your team for 
next year. 

591
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,680
We're building the archetype for
the future that you can then 

592
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,840
show to people you want to bring
in. 

593
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,680
And that's something I think 
that the Woodson era was really 

594
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,640
bad at doing. 
And there's a reason why certain

595
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,760
guys who are really interested 
in coming to Indiana did not 

596
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,280
wind up in Indiana because they 
couldn't show them this is how 

597
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,880
you fit. 
This is what we want. 

598
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,480
This is what we need already. 
Darren Devries is doing that and

599
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,560
building a very building a very 
specific brand and type of 

600
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,960
basketball he wants to play that
he can then sell on top of that.

601
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,800
Yeah. 
Not only that, too, the other 

602
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520
programs recruiting those 
players could actually show how 

603
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,280
they wouldn't be used 
effectively. 

604
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400
And that was the negative 
recruiting aspect that that was 

605
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,040
really, really haunting Indiana 
under the, you know, the last 

606
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,000
two regimes. 
I'm not just giving it to Mike 

607
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Woodson. 
Artie Miller was the same way. 

608
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,920
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's, it's been so hard 

609
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,240
for IU coaches to overcome the 
lack of effective offensive tape

610
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,920
to show players because look, 
you, you need players who are 

611
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,400
going to buy in on defense. 
But this era, you have to have 

612
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,360
guys that can either shoot or 
score or distribute. 

613
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Like if you can't do any of 
those. 

614
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,560
And I feel like Indiana's had 
their fair share of guys who had

615
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,440
to have other people help them 
get their offense to be able. 

616
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,360
I think this is where that the 
Darren Debris is higher. 

617
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160
It's why I think all of us were 
as optimistic as we were about 

618
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,520
it because this is not a guy who
has to go in with no film of his

619
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040
prior coaching stops. 
Like he can just point them to 

620
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520
what he did at Drake. 
He can point them to what they 

621
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
did at the beginning of the year
at West Virginia. 

622
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,040
And that's going to go a long 
way for guys. 

623
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,400
And as we were talking about on 
Crimson Cast last night, I love 

624
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480
the strategy that that is being 
employed right now where it's 

625
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
mostly older players. 
I know we've had some folks that

626
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,040
have said, hey, shouldn't we be 
getting some players for the 

627
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,920
future? 
Like I'm, I'm, I'm uncomfortable

628
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680
with how old this team is 
looking. 

629
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,720
I would argue at this point, 
Ryan, like you're foolish if 

630
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,000
you're not and expecting 70 
percent, 60% of your roster to 

631
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840
turn over every year and have to
go back into the portal, at 

632
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200
least until you can get your 
recruiting up and running. 

633
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,680
And that's going to take a 
couple of years. 

634
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,240
And I think a lot more success 
like the Indiana brand. 

635
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,720
It's not toxic right now, but 
it's just another program in the

636
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,560
eyes of a lot of players. 
You look at the successes that 

637
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520
some of the top teams have had 
in pulling in your high level 

638
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,280
high school recruits. 
They're doing that because of 

639
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,800
the successes they've built off 
the course of the last few 

640
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,120
years. 
Yeah, you've got to build those 

641
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,720
pipelines that's not there yet. 
This is a really smart way of 

642
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,160
assembling a roster that really 
needs some success early on, not

643
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,400
just for recruiting, but for 
establishing the connection with

644
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,240
the fans that everybody needs. 
Yeah. 

645
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,840
And I think, look, do you need 
to add some younger players to 

646
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,080
this roster? 
Yes, absolutely, because you 

647
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,840
need continuity from year to 
year somewhere. 

648
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,960
It doesn't have to be the whole 
roster. 

649
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,160
It doesn't have to be 80% of the
roster, but there needs to be 

650
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840
some kind of carry over 
continuity so that you can get 

651
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,640
guys, you know, the coach can. 
He shows up for this show, but 

652
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,480
not ours. 
It's. 

653
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,200
But we've got we've got a 
Crimson cast emergency pod with 

654
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,360
Tony who's never been on one and
two assembly call guys after I 

655
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,360
just hosted an assembly call 
emergency pod with no assembly 

656
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,840
call guys. 
This is we're in like back home.

657
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,760
True network. 
We're an amoeba. 

658
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Guys and also Galens wearing a 
pop Tarts bullshit. 

659
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,840
So that's somehow factors in. 
Factors in. 

660
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Yeah, but what I was going to 
say is, you know, there's one 

661
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,400
thing like coaching continuity 
is great because you're teaching

662
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,920
the same system. 
You're teaching all that stuff, 

663
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,840
but player having guys on the 
court who know the system, 

664
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,200
teaching it to their teammates 
is just is almost as important 

665
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,640
because there's some level of 
comfort. 

666
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440
So I do think there needs to be 
some level of carryover from 

667
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,800
year to year. 
But yes, in your first year, you

668
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,000
should expect him because also 
the pressure to win year to year

669
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,440
in the NIL era is so high, 
you're going to need veterans. 

670
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Does that mean that I think they
shouldn't go after some high 

671
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,240
school guys that have shaken 
loose from the tree? 

672
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,640
No, I absolutely think they 
should. 

673
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Or if there are transfers that 
are, you know, just finished 

674
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,760
their freshman year, sophomore 
year and maybe can be backups to

675
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,199
start, you know, at at Indiana, 
yes, I think they should do 

676
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,320
that. 
But at the same time, your main 

677
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,800
chunk of roster in a first year 
of a new coach, if you've got 

678
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,080
the money to do it, are going to
be veterans. 

679
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,679
Jared Morris, our our founding 
father and host of Assembly call

680
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,120
joining us here in the middle of
the day. 

681
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Good to have you on Jared. 
I, I said earlier after the 

682
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,400
montage that we showed from the,
the various sightings, you were 

683
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,199
going to need a, a cigarette and
a hot towel after viewing it. 

684
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719
I, I mean, what are your, what's
your, what's your overall 

685
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,920
feeling right now with the two 
commits yesterday, the Wilkerson

686
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,800
commit before and just the 
assemblage of talent that is 

687
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,600
coming together right now in 
Bloomington? 

688
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,400
You know, you posted in the 
discord the screenshots of the 

689
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,320
Kenpom pages for these players 
and just looking at the amount 

690
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,880
of three-point attempts. 
There we go. 

691
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,760
Yeah, from, from some of these 
guys. 

692
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,800
Like I wasn't aware that people 
could take that many 3 pointers 

693
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,040
and I'm I'm not sure that I, I, 
I am still, I'm not sure I'll 

694
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,000
believe it until I see it. 
Well. 

695
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,040
You know, but there was that 
great stat that Jared Kelly from

696
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,800
pigs.com tweeted out yesterday, 
which I'll, I'm finding here 

697
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,120
real quick that said the, the, 
and that this was I believe 

698
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,520
before the, the Conner Way 
signing, but Indiana never made 

699
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,960
more than 211 three pointers in 
a single season under either 

700
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,760
Archie Miller or Mike Woodson. 
Indiana's 5 transfer commits at 

701
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
that point had made 256 total 
last year. 

702
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,520
And that was with Tucker Devries
only playing eight games. 

703
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,400
It's insane. 
It is apparently possible, 

704
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Jared. 
Who knew, right? 

705
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Well, I'm. 
Yeah, it's, it's amazing. 

706
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,280
It's true. 
Here, here's here's what I think

707
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,840
is, you know, the obvious 
caveats are this, right? 

708
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,160
There's a lot of guys that are 
going to be transferring up a 

709
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,440
level and you never quite know 
how that's going to work out. 

710
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,040
You know what I think you look 
at the roster how it is right 

711
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,280
now, there's pretty, you know, 
clear glaring need for some rim 

712
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,560
protection, some rebounding. 
So like it's not like everything

713
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
is is perfect, right? 
But I think at the at an 

714
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,560
absolute minimum, you can say 
with the pieces that they're 

715
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,320
bringing in, this offense is 
going to look totally different 

716
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,360
and in ways that we've been 
wanting. 

717
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,200
So whether you're optimistic or 
not, you should absolutely be 

718
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,160
interested and intrigued. 
Like at the bare minimum of what

719
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,520
the offense is going to look 
like. 

720
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,360
What I am really encouraged by 
is what appears to be the vision

721
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,240
for how Darren Devries wants to 
build a team and how he wants to

722
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,720
run an offense. 
You know, with just the the guys

723
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,280
that they have in terms of their
skill level, how some of the 

724
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,800
pieces fit together. 
I mean, to me, a guy like Conner

725
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,960
Way is just a perfect compliment
when you have Wilkerson and 

726
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Devries as your other wings. 
And especially then like if you 

727
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000
get a guy like Goody or someone 
else, you can make threes, play 

728
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
in the four again, you're 
probably going to give up 

729
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,400
something defensively and from a
rebounding perspective, but I 

730
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,480
don't know how you guard that. 
And and I mean, we haven't 

731
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,320
really seen it. 
So I'm actually not sure how you

732
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,600
run it as an offense and I'm 
very intrigued to see so. 

733
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,920
So that's what I would say is 
there's still work to be done. 

734
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,240
There's still questions about 
how all these guys are going to 

735
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,400
come up to the next level. 
Like, I get all that, yadda, 

736
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,160
yadda. 
But man, I am just really 

737
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,360
intrigued, more so than I have 
felt in a long time about what 

738
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,200
this is going to look like when 
those guys are on the court. 

739
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,840
And that to me is just a great 
feeling to have rather than, OK,

740
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,960
it's going to be the same thing,
but maybe it'll be better. 

741
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,320
It's like this is a paradigm 
shift for how we're running the 

742
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,320
program that we've really, 
really needed. 

743
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,840
And you can see it clearly by 
the kind of guys they're 

744
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,320
targeting and how they're going 
to fit together. 

745
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Tony, we've heard in the chat 
and Jared mentioned it as well 

746
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640
that the need for a, a some 
size. 

747
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,600
How does this play? 
I mean, you got to Reed Bailey. 

748
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,680
I mean, are you, where, where do
you anticipate Bailey starting? 

749
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,840
Because I'm anticipating if 
they're going to play the four 

750
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,600
out style that we've seen the 
you're not going to have a 

751
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,920
traditional big all the time 
necessarily on the floor and 

752
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,400
maybe not even starting. 
But how do you see all of this 

753
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,080
fitting together? 
And and where do you think they 

754
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,760
need to look in terms of the 
type of, of physicality and size

755
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,240
that they might try to pick up? 
Yeah, I think what's important 

756
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:20,960
to know is that, you know, last 
year Debris used Imani Hansbury 

757
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,560
6-8 at Center for a large 
portion of the season. 

758
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,880
And so he's not, I guess he's 
not just going to play a big 

759
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,120
because they're a big like he's 
going to. 

760
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,480
He's got a style that he wants 
to play, a system he wants to 

761
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,880
play. 
Now, will he take A7 footer that

762
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,440
can step out and knock down some
shots and is a good rebounder, 

763
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,680
rim protector? 
Absolutely. 

764
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,640
Of course he wouldn't. 
But with that said, they 

765
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,360
obviously need another big 
because you're going to need 

766
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,400
some depth there, especially 
when you're playing the big 10. 

767
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,760
I anticipate them trying to get 
somebody that's got some more 

768
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,440
athleticism to them, can protect
the rim and can rebound pretty 

769
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,720
well too, because you're in the 
big 10. 

770
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,440
Like I don't think you should 
build your roster to win the big

771
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,240
10 necessarily, but you still 
have to be able to compete there

772
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:08,840
to get yourself into the 
tournament, right. 

773
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,760
So I'd anticipate some some rim 
protection, you know, maybe 

774
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,320
somebody with a little weight on
them as well, just to to be able

775
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,320
to guard some of these, you 
know, 7 footers and and bigger 

776
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,920
teams that that play in the big 
10. 

777
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,760
But I personally, I think 
obviously as it stands right 

778
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,720
now, Reid Bailey's the starting 
5, but I wouldn't be shocked if 

779
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:31,880
that is how this plays out where
that's kind of your guy that 

780
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,560
that starts and you know, maybe 
he's 20 minutes per game or so 

781
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,320
and you've got another five that
plays 20 minutes per game. 

782
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,520
But it's really funny even 
having this conversation now, 

783
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,760
like where's Indiana going to 
get bigs? 

784
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,240
Like, you know, that's, that's 
been Our Calling card for for 

785
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,720
several years now. 
So the fact that you know, 

786
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,040
Indiana's kind of guard heavy 
right now, it's a nice change of

787
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,120
pace, but it has people a little
on edge. 

788
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,560
Now they're like, wait, where's 
where's the big guys like it? 

789
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,840
It's going to be a completely 
new style place. 

790
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,960
There's. 
Like a 12 step program. 

791
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Ryan. 
Wean ourselves off of big man, 

792
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,400
correct? 
Yeah. 

793
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,360
And and I think that also you 
have to wean yourself off of 

794
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,760
transfer rankings because as you
as you guys mentioned before I 

795
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,320
came on, they're not building 
talent, they're building a team.

796
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,880
And, and I think that like you, 
it's, it's not about their star 

797
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,720
ranking, although, you know, 
over time, you see high school 

798
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:26,520
recruiting rankings, the teams 
that get the best players wind 

799
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,320
up in the Final four. 
I mean, typically. 

800
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,040
And then there's teams that defy
that, you know, occasionally, 

801
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,680
but in general, teams that are 
consistently in the Final four 

802
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,640
are do get the best players. 
But in the transfer portal, 

803
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
you're playing for next year a 
lot of the time in the transfer 

804
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,080
portal. 
And So what you're trying to do 

805
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,760
is put the pieces together that 
work. 

806
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,040
And it's more important to get a
lower tier guy who fits with the

807
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,560
other four guys on the court 
than it is to get a higher tier 

808
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,680
guy that the puzzle piece 
doesn't fit. 

809
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,360
You've got to cut some edges off
it and jam it in in the into 

810
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,600
place. 
I mean, that is what's important

811
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,600
is the team, not the player. 
And so getting guys who work 

812
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,760
together is what matters, not 
where they rank on 24/7, you 

813
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,520
know, transfer rankings. 
And yet, Jared, they're putting 

814
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,240
together a team that looks on 
paper like it fits really well 

815
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,040
together and is pretty highly 
ranked in the Transfer Porto 

816
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,320
rank. 
So it's like they're getting 

817
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,840
through with Worlds to some 
degree. 

818
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,960
No, absolutely, absolutely. 
And and the other thing I will 

819
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,680
say, you know, I do have some 
questions about how this is 

820
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,480
going to work defensively, but I
would rather come out of an 

821
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,800
offseason having questions 
defensively than offensively 

822
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,320
because I think we've spent 
eight years for the most part, 

823
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680
it feels like kind of recruiting
to a defensive system and then 

824
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,160
trying to fit those pieces in 
offensively. 

825
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,040
And so it appears that that is 
kind of going in the opposite 

826
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,240
direction now, which is fine for
me. 

827
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,480
You know, I, I, I, I would 
rather us build that way. 

828
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,240
And, you know, if you're going 
to, you know, maybe have a 

829
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,720
little bit of a hole in rim 
protection, then, you know, 

830
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,280
Tony, what do you need to combat
that? 

831
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,640
You've got to have a great point
of attack defender, which I 

832
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,840
think Conner way is. 
You want to have size on the 

833
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,120
perimeter, which we do. 
And I, I don't know how good 

834
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,040
Wilkerson and, and those guys 
are defensively, but they're at 

835
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,360
least they at least have size. 
They're at least long and they 

836
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
used to have at least have 
moderate steel rates. 

837
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,960
So at least if you're going to 
be disruptive on the perimeter, 

838
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,320
that can kind of help you 
compensate for some of that 

839
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,720
other stuff. 
And we'll have to see, you know 

840
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,760
who else they bring in. 
But I am absolutely fine if the 

841
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,880
pieces seem to fit together more
offensively than defensively. 

842
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,080
Let's figure out the other stuff
because I feel like it's easier 

843
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,880
for a coach to fit that in and 
develop that than if you're 

844
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,560
trying to just like mask severe 
offensive deficiencies all 

845
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,200
season long. 
Well, I mean, it, it, it takes 

846
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,400
out having to play slow. 
You might still play slow, but 

847
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,320
it takes out having to play slow
because of the, the way that you

848
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,120
can spread the floor offensively
and get guys into position and, 

849
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,240
and come down the floor. 
And now you've got a guy who can

850
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,680
handle the ball and get into the
right position. 

851
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,240
But it's also exciting, Tony, 
you know, on the offensive side,

852
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,760
you've got multiple 
distributors. 

853
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,320
Reed Bailey, when he's out there
is almost like a point forward 

854
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,040
to some degree defensively, I, I
also wonder how does this fit 

855
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
together? 
But I'll, I'll note that in the 

856
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,720
last three years of Darren 
Devries's time as a head coach, 

857
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:16,840
his teams have finished 40th, 
73rd and 15th in Kenpom 

858
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,720
defensive efficiency. 
That really bodes well, given 

859
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,560
that he clearly has kind of 
unlocked something in his own 

860
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,280
coaching that makes them more 
defensively efficient. 

861
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,320
If they can figure out how to 
harness this group and get them 

862
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,600
to play both ways. 
I think, you know, especially 

863
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,720
with the steals, like it's going
to be a different type of 

864
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,600
defense than we're used to, one 
that isn't necessarily 

865
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,200
predicated just on lowering the 
opponent's shooting. 

866
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,960
This may be a team that's really
focused on generating turnovers,

867
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,240
may be really focused on trying 
to grab offensive rebounds and 

868
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,880
then push the ball down the 
floor or I guess defensive 

869
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,840
rebounds, keep them off the 
offensive boards. 

870
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,000
That's going to be really 
intriguing. 

871
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680
And we have some great 
transition 3 point shooters too,

872
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,680
which helps you maximize if 
you're going to do that. 

873
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,640
Sorry, I think I interrupted 
you. 

874
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,840
Tony, you can shoot the reason 
transition that's. 

875
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,760
You're allowed to. 
That's a rule apparently, is 

876
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,520
that you are allowed to. 
You have to wait for the rest of

877
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,720
the team to get to the defensive
team to get down the court. 

878
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,760
You can just go. 
Yeah, I mean on the defensive 

879
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,280
front, like what are you, what 
are you seeing here? 

880
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,120
Yeah, I mean, it's, I've said 
this on a few different shows 

881
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,360
and podcasts, but you know, it's
kind of a cuss word cuz they do 

882
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,800
use pack line defense, but it's 
it's very well drilled and 

883
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,240
obviously debris has something 
there. 

884
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,160
You know, you noted West 
Virginia defense is what carried

885
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,680
them last year after Tucker went
down. 

886
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,040
And then I believe that another 
injury as well to one of their 

887
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,800
top guys and they really had to 
just hone in on the defensive 

888
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,440
end, which to that point hadn't 
necessarily really been Devries 

889
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,400
calling card, right? 
Yeah, everything had kind of 

890
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,400
been about his offense and his 
system and that four out one in 

891
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,280
stuff. 
But you know, when I looked at 

892
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,480
West Virginia's defense last 
year, you noted it. 

893
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,480
They had a lot of guys that 
could play a lot or guard a lot 

894
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,320
of different positions and they 
just played hard, like they just

895
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,880
got after it. 
And that's not something you can

896
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,760
necessarily quantify. 
And I know that it like it's 

897
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,800
it's hard to really describe 
like what playing hard means, 

898
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,080
but you watch his teams and you 
just see that. 

899
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
And to me it always starts to 
the point of attack. 

900
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,720
And that was Javon small last 
year. 

901
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,080
Connor way is very, very 
disruptive in how he guards the 

902
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,480
ball. 
And you know, when you can just 

903
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,280
disrupt the other teams point 
guard that disrupts their flow, 

904
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,520
obviously just takes them out of
what they want to do in their 

905
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
initial point of attack. 
And then everything from there, 

906
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,240
you can kind of blow up. 
And and obviously, like you 

907
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,000
noted, he's got a good system 
that he feels comfortable with. 

908
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,160
He's going to drill that, he's 
going to coach that. 

909
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120
It's not like he had all these 
holdovers from West Virginia 

910
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,000
that that understood his system 
that he brought with him there 

911
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,640
like last year for West Virginia
was a brand new team. 

912
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,640
He built that defense from the 
ground up. 

913
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,400
That's the part that's most 
encouraging to me is that it was

914
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,000
a new thing with new players and
he made it work. 

915
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,560
He didn't, he didn't import his 
entire roster like some guys do 

916
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,080
or whatever. 
He had some but it was a brand 

917
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,440
new thing and they were able to 
be that good, especially without

918
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,040
2, with two players, you know, 
the key players missing a lot of

919
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,200
the season. 
Absolutely. 

920
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,960
A lot of it ends up being 
adaptational and, and it's who 

921
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,120
you're playing against and 
what's really going to be 

922
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,680
fascinating. 
You're going to have a a pretty 

923
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,360
veteran team. 
Obviously you're going to have 

924
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,320
some new pieces. 
Trent Sisley coming in as a 

925
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,720
freshman, you know, I think has 
a a chance to play and 

926
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,680
contribute, you know, given what
happens, we obviously still need

927
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,280
to to hear what happens on the 
Luke Goody front. 

928
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,320
Someone asked if Luke Goody 
would fit into this mix. 

929
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,400
Yes, absolutely. 
Like this, This does a far 

930
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,400
better job of unlocking Luke 
Goody's potential and abilities 

931
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,600
from a system perspective, I 
often times felt like Goody was 

932
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,920
almost creating spacing by 
himself last year as opposed to 

933
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,880
being able to insert himself 
into space that the system was 

934
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,080
creating for him. 
But you know, I, I'll say in 

935
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,160
terms of like the, the overall 
structure, they're going to have

936
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,880
to hit the ground running, 
Jared, because you've got the 

937
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,200
Marquette game early on, you've 
got the Louisville game, you've 

938
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,520
got the Kentucky game. 
Those are already on the on the 

939
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,920
docket and this is great. 
Like this is really going to be 

940
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,640
a proof of concept right off the
bat of of how these offensive 

941
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,760
and defensive systems set up, 
how they're able to get flow 

942
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,800
going and and how they measure 
up against teams that have a 

943
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,160
high level of talent. 
You're going to need that going 

944
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,360
into Big 10 season because it is
going to be a very different 

945
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,520
kind of setup and a different 
type of roster composition than 

946
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,720
most of the rest of the 
conference is engaging in. 

947
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,600
And I'm very curious to see how 
that plays out. 

948
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,000
Yeah, You know, and there was a 
a point made in the discord. 

949
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,120
I don't I don't remember who 
made it, you know, in terms of, 

950
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,560
you know, what else Coach Debris
should look for as he's 

951
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,040
recruiting. 
And the point was made like, I'd

952
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,080
like to get some kind of younger
developmental guys now, you 

953
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,160
know, are we, you know, a little
bit too old with some of these 

954
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,360
guys. 
And my point on that is get as 

955
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,360
much experience as you can to 
make this year as good as 

956
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,320
possible. 
Because given what the last 

957
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,160
eight years have been and kind 
of given some of the skepticism 

958
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,120
people have right now, I think 
what Indiana needs is a season 

959
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,640
like what Michigan had and a 
season like what Louisville had,

960
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,800
where you come out, you hit the 
ground running, it's successful,

961
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,520
you make the tournament. 
And now everybody relaxes and is

962
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,200
like, OK, we got our goal for 
five years, now we can settle 

963
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,800
in. 
And now I think if either one of

964
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,720
those schools takes a little bit
of a step back this year, you 

965
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,280
know, they've built some trust 
in a little bit of runway. 

966
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,400
Like I think that's the 
difference in college basketball

967
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,960
now. 
I actually don't think a coach 

968
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,080
gets immediate runway. 
I think you've got to show some 

969
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,640
immediate results and then the 
patience comes. 

970
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,840
And so I think do whatever you 
can, get as much experience so 

971
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,600
you can hit the ground running 
with guys who just know how to 

972
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,440
play, who have proven 
production. 

973
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,360
And then you might be able to, 
you know, as you maybe do a 

974
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,920
little bit more high school 
recruiting, which makes some 

975
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,240
sense because now he can recruit
a different caliber of player in

976
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,480
Indiana. 
But it's going to take a while 

977
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,040
for those relationships to 
build. 

978
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Because to your point, Galen 
Indians, I mean, you got to come

979
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,080
out. 
Maybe you don't have to win all 

980
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,160
of those games, but you probably
need to win one or two of them. 

981
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,880
You certainly need to play well 
in them and build some momentum 

982
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,160
going into Big 10 play because 
that's what's going to get 

983
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,280
people on your side now and get 
everybody going in the right 

984
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,640
direction. 
And I I don't think that's 

985
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,400
always been the case, but in the
new era of college basketball, I

986
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,520
really think it is. 
We're going to wrap in about 8 

987
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,280
minutes. 
Ryan, I know you got to go 

988
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,920
first, So what else you got for 
us? 

989
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Just I, I think it's, it's a 
good day, you know, I mean, 

990
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,240
it's, it's when you start, I 
think that it's a good day and 

991
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,880
they've started to put the 
pieces together, but it's not 

992
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,360
done yet. 
So, you know, there is, there 

993
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,280
needs to be remaining patients 
from people because you don't 

994
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,360
even know. 
I mean, it's seven guys. 

995
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,240
I think now for next year, 
pending Luke Goody and you still

996
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,240
need a front court, you know, so
I mean, it's not done yet, but 

997
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,680
but this is if you know from 
where we were last week when 

998
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,800
people were like, there's like 
two players on this team. 

999
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,760
What are we doing? 
It's like, well, now there's 

1000
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,240
there's a team, it's starting to
come together. 

1001
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,120
You can no longer use the John 
Calipari. 

1002
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,000
There is no team quote. 
And and so I think that people 

1003
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,000
have patience, but you're 
starting to see what is being 

1004
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,120
put together and what is being 
put together is going to be a 

1005
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,360
dynamic offense that is modern 
in its ability. 

1006
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,960
And and Jared, I mentioned this 
before, and this is got to be 

1007
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,040
the thing that makes you 
happiest is none of these guys 

1008
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,000
shoot long twos. 
And so that is gone. 

1009
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,240
Like the shot that was the most 
common in Indiana's offense 

1010
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,400
other than a layup in the last 
decade is gone. 

1011
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,400
These guys shoot at the rim or 
they shoot threes. 

1012
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,080
And that is modern college 
basketball. 

1013
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,720
So not only has he got the 
system that does that, he has 

1014
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,560
the players to do that now, too.
And it's just it's a good day to

1015
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,040
be a Hoosier. 
I think that, you know, you're 

1016
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,440
starting to see it come 
together. 

1017
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,760
You're starting to see the 
optimism. 

1018
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,560
Jared Morris hopped on an 
afternoon podcast. 

1019
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040
You can just tell there is 
optimism and hope here. 

1020
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,280
And, and everybody's, 
everybody's on board. 

1021
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,720
It's, it's I, you know, but I 
haven't seen this kind of 

1022
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:48,080
optimism in the Indiana fan base
in a long time. 

1023
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,080
And, and I, I think it's great 
to see. 

1024
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,000
And I'm, I'm, it makes me happy 
to see everybody kind of excited

1025
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,080
for a new day, like a real new 
day building the right way. 

1026
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,880
It's it's exactly what you need,
I think a fan base that's 

1027
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,880
desperate for something to latch
onto. 

1028
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,280
And it's a long offseason, Ryan,
as we know. 

1029
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,400
So you know, the, the, if you 
can feel, I know people were a 

1030
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,920
bit optimistic last year with 
the portal. 

1031
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,400
So there's still some arm's 
lengthness about it all, but 

1032
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,680
it's this feels like more of a, 
we've got a system, let's build 

1033
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,680
to that rather than let's go get
the best available players, 

1034
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,600
which kind of felt like the MO 
from last year A. 100%. 

1035
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,760
I know, Ryan, you got to get out
of here. 

1036
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,480
So great to see you. 
Thank you for having on. 

1037
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,640
Enjoy the rest of the day. 
Tony, let me go to you next as 

1038
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,000
we kind of go through our last 
wrap around here. 

1039
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,600
Any other outstanding items or 
just general overview thoughts 

1040
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,520
that you've got right now given 
what we're seeing with this 

1041
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,960
roster as it's shaping up? 
Excited, I mean, that's that's 

1042
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,280
really what it comes down to is 
I'm excited to see all these 

1043
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,240
things together. 
You know, as you mentioned, like

1044
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,560
expectations are, are should be 
tempered a bit. 

1045
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,160
I think just based on what we've
seen in kind of winning the 

1046
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,680
offseason, whatever. 
But like it's OK to be excited. 

1047
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,000
You know too as well. 
This is a new era, new regime, 

1048
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,040
new style system players like 
everything involved is new, like

1049
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:09,480
the whole staff is new. 
So it's it's exciting to me that

1050
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,600
it's just something fresh. 
Obviously I'm also excited that 

1051
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,920
there might be an overseas trip 
this summer. 

1052
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,920
We'll we'll be able to see these
guys play earlier than than 

1053
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,120
October, which is exciting as 
long as the, you know, there's 

1054
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,920
some sort of video involved with
that. 

1055
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,760
But yeah, overall I think it's 
clear there in the breeze has a 

1056
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,880
process and a plan. 
And those are, you know, it's 

1057
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,440
very much a sig esque kind of 
offseason. 

1058
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,000
Like, you know, just the 
buzzwords out there kind of 

1059
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,960
moving stealthily, like all of 
that. 

1060
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,000
To me, it's things we saw in a 
program that was successful, 

1061
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,240
obviously this just this past 
fall and SIG building from the 

1062
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,920
ground up. 
So yeah, just super excited 

1063
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,360
about what's happening with 
Indiana basketball and as the 

1064
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,120
pieces start coming together and
you know, what's fun is there's 

1065
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,160
still 567 more guys to go. 
Tony, if if they end up doing an

1066
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,400
overseas trip to Italy, I expect
you to follow them from venue to

1067
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,760
venue, Grateful Dead style, 
making bootleg video of each 

1068
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,840
game. 
I'm in. 

1069
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,960
I assume the back home network 
will fund that, so sure, let's 

1070
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,760
go. 
We'll be, we'll be donating 

1071
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,920
plasma to try to fund your 
travel. 

1072
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,480
I think that's the only way 
we're going to get to that. 

1073
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,520
Yeah, no, but Jared, I mean, the
optimistic tones, obviously this

1074
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,360
is something I think people have
been waiting on and it, it real,

1075
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,920
obviously, if you want to ask 
questions, there's a ton of 

1076
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,600
questions you can ask. 
But I, as I said on the last 

1077
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,360
emergency pod, it really is 
important, I think to give the 

1078
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320
process a chance to play out. 
And we said this like 3 weeks 

1079
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,800
ago when people were freaking 
out about a lack of portal 

1080
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,280
commitments and this idea where 
are we going to have enough guys

1081
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,800
to have a roster. 
We always said like, there's a 

1082
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,280
process to this. 
It's and and you've got to be 

1083
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,560
deliberate with it because this 
foundation may be the most 

1084
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,320
important foundation that Darren
Devries has delay in his whole 

1085
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,640
time here at IU, this first 
team, because it's not just 

1086
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,360
about the on court success. 
It's about the cultural 

1087
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,280
establishment of a different set
of values and a different work 

1088
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,080
ethic approach. 
And it's one of the things that 

1089
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,680
really it was a it was a problem
for IU under Archie Miller, was 

1090
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,240
a problem for IU under Mike 
Woodson. 

1091
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,720
It just, it never really felt 
like the work ethic and the 

1092
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,200
approach that we've expected out
of IU basketball historically 

1093
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,120
when it's been at its best was 
really there all the time. 

1094
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,440
You've got to have that, you got
to have the right guys to do 

1095
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,280
that and we won't know until 
they actually start playing, but

1096
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,640
it feels like they're off to a 
really good start with that mix.

1097
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:44,600
100% And that's why I feel like 
trying to classify your feelings

1098
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,680
as optimistic or pessimistic, 
positive or negative, is just 

1099
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,320
the complete wrong way to look 
at it. 

1100
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,560
I don't think any of those 
classifications matter. 

1101
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,720
I think the bottom line is that 
for eight years, Indiana 

1102
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,200
basketball has been mediocre and
uninteresting, and it's been a 

1103
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,760
lot of the same thing over and 
over again. 

1104
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,640
So I don't think we need to 
worry about if you're optimistic

1105
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,560
or negative. 
Are you interested? 

1106
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,680
And that's what this is to me is
it's interesting, it's 

1107
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,040
compelling. 
It's no guarantee of wins and 

1108
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,920
losses, but I think it should 
get everybody leaning in again, 

1109
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,960
paying attention, seeing 
something new. 

1110
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,600
This is going to be novel, you 
know, and and that's what I 

1111
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,120
think is is is more important. 
And so, you know, the I just 

1112
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,520
think that's a that's a good way
to look at it. 

1113
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,520
Also, can I just point out how 
in Tony's previous statement, he

1114
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,560
just like casually dropped this 
term sig esque that we all just 

1115
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,520
like, we all just know is like 
shorthand for a coach coming in 

1116
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,800
and like doing great work and 
building a good culture. 

1117
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,280
Like there's so much involved in
that term and it's just 

1118
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,800
beautiful that we can just say 
that in casual conversation. 

1119
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,920
And we all know what it means. 
And it relates to smashing 

1120
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,600
Indiana football success. 
So it's it's a it's a good time.

1121
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,560
Like things are interesting 
again. 

1122
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,720
And, and and that is just 
something that I think we used 

1123
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,560
to take for granted with Indiana
basketball. 

1124
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,840
Like Tom Crean seems were 
interesting, even if you know, 

1125
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,760
the the results weren't always 
there. 

1126
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,080
And for the last eight years 
we've been boring and mediocre. 

1127
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,360
And so I don't know how good 
we'll be, but I know we're going

1128
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
to be interesting this year. 
And that, to me, is a big 

1129
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,840
important change. 
The other one, the one 

1130
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,360
overarching thing that does 
related to the Signetti higher 

1131
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,320
and what he was attacking and 
and debris is doing it much 

1132
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,160
differently. 
Signetti noted a real low level 

1133
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,200
of self esteem and excitement 
among the fans and and and 

1134
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,120
around the program as a whole. 
So that's why he goes out and 

1135
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,880
and does the statement at the 
half time of I think it was the 

1136
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,880
Maryland game. 
And then that's why he does all 

1137
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,240
the bravado stuff because he's 
like, we got to believe in 

1138
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:39,880
ourselves. 
Devries is going about it 

1139
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,840
differently. 
We've heard very little from 

1140
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,160
Darren Devries after that first 
initial wave of interviews. 

1141
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,120
And the what's fascinating, and 
this was noted on Crimson cast 

1142
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,440
yesterday. 
There's the leaks are gone like 

1143
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,920
we're finding out a little bit 
about guys if you're subscribing

1144
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,120
to the Trilly Discord or or if 
you're Tony and you have like a 

1145
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,200
listening post where you're 
tapping into everybody's 

1146
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,280
communications across the 
country, but. 

1147
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,000
You're not supposed to tell them
that. 

1148
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,920
Well, you know, just want them 
to be nervous, Tony, that's all 

1149
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,600
you know. 
But there there's a, there was a

1150
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:18,080
certain very low level of 
investment in the program, a lot

1151
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,640
of arm's length stuff from fans 
of all ages for various reasons.

1152
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,480
Just it had gotten very toxic 
around IU basketball. 

1153
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,200
And that's a two way street. 
But you've got to build back 

1154
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,160
slowly. 
And I think IU fans are done 

1155
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:36,400
with IU basketball fans are done
with, oh, you know, we're a top 

1156
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,960
program and talking that way 
without anything to back it up. 

1157
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,400
And so again, a lot to go and a 
lot of transitional stuff with 

1158
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,880
these players getting up to the 
high major level and how it all 

1159
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,920
fits together. 
But a lot of a lot of wins to 

1160
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,600
celebrate here in the early 
going over the course of this 

1161
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,160
last couple of weeks. 
And that is really exciting and 

1162
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,600
a nice change of pace from what 
passed off seasons have looked 

1163
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,800
like without you. 
So on that note, we'll go ahead 

1164
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,320
and wrap up. 
We went an hour. 

1165
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,080
I like to keep these things a 
little on the shorter side, but 

1166
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,320
keep the horses fresh because 
there's going to be more portal 

1167
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,240
commitments. 
Horses. 

1168
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,920
Are you talking Wilkerson 
horses? 

1169
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,760
Yeah, maybe apparently, 
apparently they they tried to 

1170
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,680
take him to the Preakness, 
according to Scott, and that 

1171
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,640
didn't work out full well. 
But anyway, my thanks to Ryan 

1172
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,760
Phillips. 
Jared, thank you so much for 

1173
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,320
coming on and joining us. 
Tony, thank you for being here 

1174
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,280
for the whole hour. 
And my thanks to all of you 

1175
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,920
folks who watched or listened 
throughout the course of the 

1176
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,520
work day. 
We're going to try to do these 

1177
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,000
like this whenever else 
something comes up. 

1178
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,720
And so just keep it on the back 
home network YouTube channel or 

1179
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,200
subscribe on Spotify or Apple to
either Crimson Cast or Assembly 

1180
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,120
Call. 
We'll have you covered. 

1181
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,480
For all of the folks involved, 
I'm Galen Clavio saying thanks 

1182
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,200
for joining us here on the show.
We'll catch you folks. 

1183
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,000
On the flip side, stay never 
daunted. 

1184
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,200
Bring back the Bison. 
So long, everybody.