1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,040 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:22,920 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Casket 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,680 and Clavio Scott Caulfield joining you. 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,040 It is Groundhog Day. It feels that way with IU 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,000 basketball every day, but it's officially Groundhog Day. 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,320 I, I thought Groundhog's Day was always on a weekday, like I 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,320 guess it is just February 2nd. I, I, I don't know, I was just 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,480 like, why isn't this on Tuesday? And I was like, maybe I, I don't 9 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:44,160 know, I just don't ever remember being on a weekend. 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,640 But, and anyway, that's, that's my lack of knowledge of 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,520 Groundhog's Day outside of the movie, which is great. 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,200 I just one of those where I would have lost that Jeopardy 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,000 question. I don't know that there's much 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,360 else to Groundhog Day besides the rodent and the fact that 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,320 it's always on February 2nd. I, I mean, really, that's like 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,480 there's not much else for you to know there, all right? 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,600 This is why I'm not starting the The Groundhog Day podcast on the 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,120 The Back Home network will not be starting by me as the host. 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,160 You know, we've already sold ads for that. 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,880 We already have a sponsor, no? Poxitani Phil is overrated. 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Yes No. What do you think? 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,280 I mean, yes, yeah. And that's it. 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,400 That's there's a show man with the whole problem. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,560 Watch Sunny Talk, we'll see you guys next year. 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,760 It's like, it's like the old SNL sketch of, you know, we're in 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,840 the world of San Diego, CA and, you know, they get it on the 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,880 first answer and they're like, well, that that's actually all 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,200 that we had for the whole show. So anyway, all right, we would 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,280 like to talk about IU basketball, I guess. 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,240 Well, maybe like might be the wrong word, but we we feel 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:49,960 compelled to talk about IU basketball game. 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,160 What obligated, obligated. No, in all seriousness, we're 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,960 we're back at a very critical and interesting juncture when it 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,720 comes to IU. And it's one that we saw coming 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,400 down the tracks a while ago. And we had an interesting game 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,440 on Friday. Indiana played pretty well 37 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:14,280 against Purdue, maybe not as well as everybody's patting them 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,400 on the back for, but but still very good. 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,280 I it might have said more about Purdue frankly than necessarily 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,320 about Indiana on the whole, but I think there's some interesting 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,040 things to talk about within this and just kind of where the 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,040 team's at right now. So we're going to dive in, talk 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,920 about that. 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We will continue to be in all 94 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,560 those spots, but just search back home network on YouTube and 95 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,960 you should be able to find it. Also. 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Check us out crimsoncast.substack.com. 97 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,480 You can get podcasts and videos delivered right to your inbox. 98 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,560 All right, so Indiana on Friday night, not many people thought 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,600 they were going to compete in this game and they did. 100 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,520 And really from from the beginning of the game, they were 101 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,720 in this one. It was a back and forth game. 102 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,760 It had ebbs and flows as we're used to seeing with IU and 103 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,400 normally with IU pretty you get those anyway. 104 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,720 I mean, we're used to seeing ebbs and flows with IU, period. 105 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,040 This is, you know, one of the streakiest teams, good and bad 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,920 that I think I've ever seen. And this was an example of one 107 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,280 of those games where Indiana had a couple of chances to fold and 108 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,360 they took the opposite Rd. They ended up going the other 109 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,400 direction. They put together a big run in 110 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,640 the second-half that got them the lead and then just could not 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,040 hold it together. Foul trouble ended up doing 112 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,880 them. Some bad plays ended up dooming 113 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,400 them and then some end of game situations that were really 114 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,680 unfortunate. At a minimum, we're going to 115 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,640 talk about all of that, but let's talk about the overall big 116 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,640 picture 1st and then we'll dive into some of the specifics of 117 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,920 the Purdue game. So Indiana now finds itself at 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,440 14 and 8, five and six losers of five out of their last six. 119 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,040 And you know, this is the scenario we talked about at the 120 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,000 beginning of the year when we saw the schedule. 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,320 It's the scenario we talked about at the beginning of 122 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,200 January when we looked at how Indiana was playing and what the 123 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,920 projections were. And the concern was always that 124 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,320 you were going to get past that USC game and things were going 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,920 to start to fall apart in terms of the wins and losses. 126 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,320 And it's different than last year, I would argue, or 127 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,760 different than Woodson's first year in as much as Indiana has 128 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,000 only really looked terrible in two of the games. 129 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,480 So they were two in a row, the Iowa game and the Illinois game. 130 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,600 But you know, they won at Ohio State in overtime by a point. 131 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:54,520 They lose that Northwestern 7970, but they were in that game 132 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,640 for a large stretch of it. They lose barely at home to 133 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,360 Maryland. And then they play Purdue really 134 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,920 tight. If this was any other team, 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,680 you'd look at this and say, wow, they're about to breakthrough. 136 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,200 They really were putting it together. 137 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,360 And yet when you examine how they've been competitive in 138 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,120 these individual games, it's really not sustainable given how 139 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,120 they've chosen to coach and play in the past. 140 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,200 So what I mean by that is look at what happened in the Purdue 141 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,440 game is a great example. Indiana's competitiveness in the 142 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Purdue game largely required them playing the same five 143 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,440 players for like 13 minutes and and having to ride with that 144 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,000 group and you know, one of their starters was barely playable. 145 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,040 Actually, two of their starters were barely playable. 146 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,320 It really required the combination of Trey Galloway, 147 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Anthony Leal, Luke Goody, Mackenzie Mbacco and Omar Barlow 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,400 'cause you couldn't play Miles Rice. 149 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,440 And as we saw at the end like that, that ended up not working 150 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,680 out very well. Malik Renew fouled out in 8 151 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,480 minutes of play and you had nobody coming off the bench 152 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,120 other than Galloway and Goody who could provide the kind of 153 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,360 consistency that you needed. And you had a similar thing 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,880 happen in the Maryland game, this team, Scott, in these 155 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:08,080 games, you can see the talent, you can see that in an ideal set 156 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,600 of circumstances, you can pick up a win. 157 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,760 And I think you kind of saw that in that Ohio State game. 158 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,720 But it is, it always feels like the team, despite its talent, is 159 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,240 about one or two plays short in most of these games, if not 160 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,960 more. And that's just not going to get 161 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,080 it done in a Big 10 where everybody's within a couple of 162 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 possessions of each other. So I'm going to kind of 163 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,799 paraphrase some things they talked about on Assembly call 164 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:37,000 after the game, But you know, the thing that's concerning for 165 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,240 me coming out of the Purdue game, they they played really 166 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,960 well, which I also want to talk about that, that narrative of, 167 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,880 oh, they played really well And you know, that's that's we got 168 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,240 to give them credit for that. It it's that you would say, you 169 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,880 know, just watching it, that was probably one of the best games I 170 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,080 use played this year, if not the best game they played all year. 171 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,600 And that's good. But the problem is I would say 172 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,840 Purdue played a subpar game. I watched all the Purdue games 173 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,080 like that. That was not Purdue with its 174 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,560 full effectiveness. Purdue played OK, they didn't 175 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:10,040 play great. Some of that had to do with IU, 176 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,120 but you basically had IU put out the the A+ performance, Purdue 177 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,760 put out AB minus performance and Purdue one. 178 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,760 I don't that's I don't even think Purdue put out AB minus 179 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,400 performance. I mean, but anyway, go on. 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,480 I, I, I actually, I agree with Andy Bottoms from Assembly call 181 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,880 like Purdue did not play, did not have their A game or even 182 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,680 their B game in this one. And and yet somehow that they 183 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:38,000 were still able to win with essentially a 75% effort. 184 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,160 But anyway, go on. No, no. 185 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,080 So that all goes to my point that it's like, that's not 186 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,120 great. It's like, all right, well, you 187 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,800 know, you're not going to play Purdue every week. 188 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,760 But the problem is for the next 5 games are against teams that I 189 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,280 would say are similar to Purdue. You're playing at Wisconsin, 190 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,440 home to Michigan at Michigan State. 191 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,240 You have home at UCLA, which isn't also a slouch, but I'll 192 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,520 take them out of this. And then you have Purdue. 193 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,680 So for the next 5 games are against teams in that same 194 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:04,320 echelon of Purdue where you just saw A and we can split hairs, 195 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,480 but it's like we played our best. 196 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,040 They played not their best and they still won. 197 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,520 You're going to have some home and away differences, but like 198 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,840 that's, that's a real problem because if you know at its at 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,200 its, you know, Indiana should be a team. 200 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,320 When you play your best, you win like all the things equal, you 201 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,200 played the best game of the year That, you know, we've had that 202 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,680 before. Like a couple years ago we 203 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:24,640 played North Carolina and they weren't quite what we thought 204 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,480 they were, But it's like we played just dynamite and we won. 205 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,840 Was it like two years ago? We beat the living hell out of 206 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Michigan State in Bloomington and she's like, we played great 207 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,680 from start to finish. It's like we won by 15. 208 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,080 It's it's not great because this kind of pretends that you're 209 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,400 going to go, you're going to lose 4 the next 5. 210 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,360 That's assuming you're able to put together a, you know, a 211 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,640 maximum effort in the next four to five games. 212 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,480 And the other teams are and, you know, things don't always work 213 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,520 out that way. But that's that's kind of the 214 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,040 concerning part is it'd be one thing if we made a bunch of 215 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,800 mistakes or we played really good for 35 minutes but didn't. 216 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,520 And, you know, I guess you could say there was that stretch right 217 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,000 after halftime where again, we had to have the either beginning 218 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,120 game or after halftime, you know, run by the other team with 219 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,200 like a 10/2 run or something where Purdue really took control 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,240 of it. So I don't know. 221 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,200 I just, I look at that and that's, that's what concerns me 222 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,080 is I'm not sure what the path is to, to get to where we need to 223 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 go this year with what's ahead of us based on what we just saw 224 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,720 and that we played really well and Purdue didn't play great. 225 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,480 It it doesn't look positive moving forward. 226 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,640 No. And this is where this kind of a 227 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,080 game is hard to integrate into the overall evaluation of the 228 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,680 team. I, I, you know, I, I can't 229 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,600 criticize the team in general for playing hard at Purdue and 230 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,000 losing a close game. And that really stretches they, 231 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,600 that's kind of independent of, of whatever season you're in. 232 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,760 They played hard. I was really impressed with some 233 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,920 of the individual play, particularly from Omar Balo, 234 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,280 particularly from Trey Galloway, who had had a really rough 235 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,800 stretch of games. Obviously Anthony Leo made a lot 236 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,600 of good plays. Luke Goody was leading the team 237 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,960 in scoring at halftime. So, you know, a lot of people 238 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,520 have been generally critical of the team and understandably so. 239 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,080 But I I think that they're, they should be somewhat immune from 240 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,880 criticism in terms of effort, as that's been something that 241 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,720 people have picked on quite a bit even. 242 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,840 And frankly, even the Maryland loss and the Northwestern 243 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,440 losses, I don't know that effort was necessarily the issue in 244 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,960 either of those games. You know, effort was not the 245 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,080 issue in the Ohio State game, and they ended up winning that 246 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,800 one. You know, so I, I do think that 247 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,560 sometimes the narrative on this team gets a little bit confused. 248 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,920 You do have individual players who are either struggling 249 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,160 because of effort or more to the point, I think struggling 250 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,920 because of confusion and not really being sure where they fit 251 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,880 within this system, both offensively and defensively. 252 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,720 And so when I look at the Purdue game, it's part of a pattern 253 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,480 that's a little bit different from last year. 254 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,360 And I think a lot of times people just look at last year 255 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,200 and this year as one big agglomeration. 256 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,600 Last year's team lacked talent in key positions and often times 257 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,640 lacked effort. And then when they finally 258 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,280 figured the effort part out by the end of the season, they put 259 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,880 some wins together, but it wasn't enough. 260 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,920 This year's team, I don't think that that really applies. 261 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,520 They've got players that are underperforming, but I don't 262 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,760 think that it's a situation where you've got players that 263 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,080 just are playing badly because they don't care. 264 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,480 It really feels more like a system based thing at this 265 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,520 point. And even though the aggregate 266 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,480 numbers are slightly better than last year, they're not good 267 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,880 enough to make you say, well, wow, this team is close to 268 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,320 breaking through. And the end of game situation in 269 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 this Purdue game and frankly the end of game situation in the 270 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,640 Maryland game are both really good examples of this where 271 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,040 these are both winnable games. They're games where you play the 272 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,640 other team type and had a lead within the last five minutes and 273 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,120 you essentially got outmaneuvered down the line 274 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,080 between that point and when the game was over. 275 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:11,040 And I think that's some of it is the system, some of it, it's is 276 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,800 just a real, what looks like a real confusion or a lack of 277 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,680 being on the same page, not the not just between the players 278 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,200 themselves, but between the players and the coaching staff. 279 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,840 And that's really, again, it's one of those situations where 280 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,800 it's a more talented team than the record indicates, but it's 281 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,840 probably an accurate record given the the roster's lack of 282 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,120 connectivity with each other and with whatever the game plan is 283 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,040 supposed to be. And I don't think the problems 284 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,120 with the players there, I think the problems probably with the 285 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,360 way that we've approached some of these end of game situations. 286 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,480 And so I was, I was, I watched the end of the Maryland game 287 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,800 with my buddy Robert, who I've talked about his his wife is a 288 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,240 Purdue grad. More reason to probably I 289 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,680 shouldn't, you know, be friends with the music. 290 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,120 You say, what are you? What are you doing to yourself? 291 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,720 You know, it's, I mean there's. A lot it's I've, I'm, I'm, I 292 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,520 like my friends. I like my neighbors a lot. 293 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,760 I don't like the colleges they went to. 294 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,200 I'll just put it that way. But you know, you've got to, 295 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,480 hey, you got to cross, cross the aisle in these tough times. 296 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Anyway, so he watched the Purdue game. 297 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,640 He was obviously invested in that with his wife. 298 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,920 He he called me afterwards. I've watched those two games and 299 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,120 he's just like, it doesn't look like you guys are practice in 300 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,280 the game situations at all. And I'm sure they have. 301 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,680 This is something I was thinking about going back to our time 302 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,640 doing Crimson cast under the crane years, is that there was a 303 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,840 lot of talk of man, this guy's a great practice player in, you 304 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,400 know, post game press and also that and deflection. 305 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,120 So the two things I remember talked a lot about, though, I 306 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,600 remember you and I used to joke about that. 307 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,960 It was like, all right, that's awesome. 308 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Like I'm sure he's fantastic in practice. 309 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,520 He doesn't show up in the game. And there comes a point where 310 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,360 I'm sure they have practiced end of game situations, but it 311 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,840 doesn't look like it. And that's the real problem is 312 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,520 whatever you're doing in practice isn't moving forward to 313 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,080 the game. And you know, what's funny is 314 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,520 the end of this game against Purdue, there was all this talk 315 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,400 of like, should you take a time out or not? 316 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,280 And to me that's not really the, you know that to me, that's a 317 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,880 real, that's a coaches feel. And I'm I'm fine with that. 318 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,440 The the thing. That I have in the, the analogy 319 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,880 I was talking to my buddy Robert about is, you know, when, when 320 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,240 Bob Knight was coaching, he had this, you know, his philosophy 321 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,200 was early in the season in the Big 10 when other teams would go 322 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,920 on a run, he wouldn't call time out. 323 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,360 Like just figure like play through it and teams would 324 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,320 figure it out or they wouldn't. But like Knight's philosophy was 325 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,080 kind of, I'm not going to call a time out to stop a run. 326 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,800 You got to stop a run on the court. 327 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Now he, he would not always break that, but like that's kind 328 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,240 of, it felt like was always his philosophy. 329 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,440 What's wild is these two games, it's like, what is Woodson's 330 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,000 philosophy for end of game situations? 331 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,440 Because you had two completely different like 2 back-to-back 332 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,680 situations. 1 he calls time out and then he also Subs people in 333 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,880 and like tries to change the play. 334 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,240 It's like, all right, so maybe Woodson wants to like, you know, 335 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,160 micromanage the end of game. That's fine. 336 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,680 But then this one he doesn't. And that's where I have the 337 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,240 problem. And, and again, it's it's 2 338 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,960 little spots, but like, what is your ethos? 339 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,600 What are you teaching your team? What are you trying to do it? 340 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,119 And the fact that it looks so disjointed and it's like you're 341 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,680 you're trying to micromanage and you're trying to be hands off. 342 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,880 It's like the the pendulum swings so much around. 343 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,440 It's kind of like that would be the question I would ask 344 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,640 Woodson, is it what is your end of game ethos? 345 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,839 Like what do you want to do? Because you have two situations 346 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:20,319 where you took two totally different tax, both of them 347 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,640 didn't work. I would think you just kind of 348 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,599 want to do the way you want to do it. 349 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,440 And I think back to like the Rob fantasy shot against Purdue. 350 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,960 I think he called the time out there like time out seemed to be 351 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,440 anyway, I'm I'm I'm rambling now, but that's that. 352 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,720 Those are kind of my thoughts of like the. 353 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,080 End of game, just to summarize, there's an inconsistency in 354 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:44,160 approach, which feels weird given that you would probably 355 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,680 have some kind of consistent if you know what your team is and 356 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,360 especially in this game. And this is where, you know, in 357 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,000 the in the immediate aftermath of what happened at the end of 358 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,040 the Purdue game and, and frankly, even a couple of days 359 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,200 later, I don't, I'm not bothered by the fact that they didn't 360 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,040 call a time out. I am generally of the school 361 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,240 that if you've got enough time and you've got options, you go 362 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,760 ahead and play it out because calling a time out allows the 363 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,360 opposition team to get their defense set and allows them to 364 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:16,800 make substitutions. What's concerning, I guess, is 365 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,080 just that, as you said, like there wasn't a whole lot of 366 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,920 difference in the scenarios between the Maryland game and 367 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,280 the Purdue game, yet they were dealt with very differently. 368 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,160 There does not appear to be the evidence to support Mike 369 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,440 Woodson's assertions. That he tried to call time out 370 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,320 or tried to signal to Rice to call time out or whatever on 371 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,440 that video, like I had it. But if you watch the video, he's 372 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,360 just like doing like the like the assistant coach in football 373 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,640 during a punt return, Like let's go, let's go. 374 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,480 I think my, my the only thing that's consistent. 375 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,800 And it's no not 'cause like Miles Rice has taken the shot on 376 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,560 both times. And it's like you have Mackenzie 377 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,560 and Bacco against Purdue playing a really good game. 378 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,240 You have Trey Galloway, who at the time is playing really well. 379 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,640 You have Miles Rice who's played what, 3 minutes? 380 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,160 Like he hadn't played since the 17 minute mark came in at like 381 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,800 the 1 1/2 minute mark had had not not really done anything 382 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,360 statistical in the game. No points, nothing. 383 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,560 You know, you have to, you know, you have big guys for the 384 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,400 Maryland game. You have Ballow and Renew down 385 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,640 there, big man. Like you have so many options. 386 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,160 Why is Rice the consistent 1 taking the last shot in both 387 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,680 times? Well, I think part of it here, 388 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:25,080 part of it's a problem that exists above and beyond this 389 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,000 game, and it's the lack of depth at guard and the fact that, you 390 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,280 know, Miles Rice wasn't able to really contribute. 391 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,120 He wasn't doing his job, as, as Andy Bottoms noted on Assembly 392 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,040 Call, like you just couldn't put him on the floor. 393 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:40,240 And they were getting much better production out of Trey 394 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,520 Galloway and Anthony Leal at the guard spots, despite neither of 395 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,440 them being a point guard in the traditional sense, neither of 396 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,000 them having anywhere close to the athleticism that Miles Rice 397 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,320 has. And then Leo fouls out. 398 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,840 And so now you have to have Miles Rice in there. 399 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,120 And and again, this is where we can quibble about whether a 400 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:02,080 timeout needs to be called or not, But I don't think that you 401 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,360 can quibble with the idea that it kind of feels like a free for 402 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,720 all when it comes to some of these end of game items. 403 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,680 And the excuses from Woodson have been weird because in the 404 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,160 in the Maryland game, what he essentially says. 405 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,360 When being asked afterwards is that the guys screwed the play 406 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:24,320 up. But you know, he he on his radio 407 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,760 show on Monday of last week. First he tries to take the blame 408 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,800 for, you know, things not happening and then immediately 409 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,080 turns it around and says, well, the players didn't understand 410 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,720 the play call or or didn't, didn't execute the play call. 411 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,840 It's like, well, that's your, that's on you. 412 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,560 Like that's a problem where you, you clearly haven't worked on 413 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,360 this enough, or it hasn't been worked on in a way that 414 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:49,880 resonates with players or you brought in players that are 415 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,280 incapable of executing what you want. 416 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,760 I mean, this is where, like Mike Woodson, you went out and chose 417 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,960 to bring Miles Rice in. You went out and like you, 418 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,840 you've made all of these roster decisions. 419 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,880 This is entirely your roster at this point. 420 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,520 Well, at high D1, like that Maryland game, sorry, just 421 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800 picking on that one thing. It's like you're coming out of a 422 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,160 time out and the ball gets tipped away, Maryland resets, 423 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,400 and then you look like you're completely frazzled and you're 424 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,560 changing it. Like that shouldn't be something 425 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,120 that frazzles your team. Like you should at least have 426 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:24,200 two options out of an inbounds when you're coming out of a time 427 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,080 out anyway. Well, and, and the idea that, 428 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,520 well, we didn't have a time out and we then we subbed and, and 429 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,640 everybody was confused. I mean, that does happen 430 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,560 occasionally. It's just that with IU, it seems 431 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,920 to consistently result in the team not knowing what they're 432 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,680 doing. And then it shows during the 433 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,360 actual execution of the play call, which I again, I look at 434 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:47,160 that Purdue game and the end of that and Miles Rice gets the 435 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,680 basketball and isn't looking anywhere else. 436 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,680 He's like, I'm going to drive this to the basket. 437 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,240 That's not really, that's not a great play period against 438 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,480 Purdue. Driving's fine, but the idea is 439 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,080 that you're driving to kick the ball out to somebody that's open 440 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,160 one of the hot hands, whether that's Luke Goody or Mackenzie 441 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,960 Mbacco or Trey Galloway, all of whom would have been perfectly 442 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,920 reasonable options. And if one of those guys gets 443 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,120 the ball and misses, you kind of shrug your shoulders and say, 444 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:18,280 well, those guys got us to where we were at in this game for 445 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Miles Rice, to think I'm going to take this myself demonstrates 446 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,960 a really unfortunate philosophical issue with the way 447 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,520 that IU has played. And again, I don't think it's 448 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,120 just this this late game situation. 449 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,520 We've seen it elsewhere, not just this season, but in prior 450 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,600 years as well. It it does work out 451 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,160 occasionally, but it's one of those situations where the 452 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 balance of what we've seen over the four years of Mike Woodson, 453 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,640 I feel like I've seen this movie before more than more than I 454 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,720 should. If everybody's aligned in terms 455 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,360 of coaching and playing and how the strategy is going. 456 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,200 And you know, that's, I don't know the what the answer to that 457 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,520 is other than just there's a clear disconnect between the 458 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,000 coaching staff and the players. That's again, not breaking news, 459 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,800 but it is disappointing to waste a really good effort at Purdue 460 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,160 because again, you don't seem to have everybody on the same page 461 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,600 at the end of the game in terms of what they're doing, whether 462 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,440 you're practicing it or not. The outcome on the floor is 463 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,520 always the thing that we judge these things on, not whatever 464 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,440 the original intent was, and that's been the case for every 465 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,680 coaching staff that we've seen at IU. 466 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,880 If you can't execute in the clutch that those are the teams 467 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,840 you used to point at and say, well, gosh, this is the 468 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,600 advantage that we have if you're Indiana and you just don't have 469 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,640 that right now. And you, you brought up a great 470 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960 point earlier about this is nothing new. 471 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,040 This Tom Crean's teams did this all the time. 472 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280 The talent sometimes was overwhelming in Indiana's favor 473 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,920 to the point that they were able to still win those games. 474 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:57,440 But we everybody that watched IU during the Crane era, there were 475 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,040 there were plenty of circumstances like that. 476 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,160 So this isn't necessarily to point the finger and say, well, 477 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Mike Woodson doesn't know what he's doing alone, but everybody 478 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,880 else has. I would argue Crane and Archie 479 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,880 Miller, both their teams struggled from a similar problem 480 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,240 and that wasn't good. And it's not good now. 481 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,840 And again, it's nothing that's breaking news to any IU fan, but 482 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,480 it's disappointing that IU continually finds itself at a 483 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,160 spot where it's squandering its talent and it's squandering 484 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800 games where it's played really well because it can't figure out 485 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,400 things at the end of games when you actually have to make the 486 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,400 place to win them. I want to circle back. 487 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Agreed yes, I'm on a new paragraph circle back to kind of 488 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,480 something you talked about earlier, just about how suddenly 489 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,400 one of my favorite things that seems to always come up on this 490 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,440 podcast is the it's it's like the the gift that gives every 491 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,320 single year that, you know, we start season and we immediately 492 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800 have the look of like, man, how are we going to get playing time 493 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,960 for all these guys? Like are we going to be able to 494 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,760 get enough time? You know, is it going to be 495 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,360 enough room? And then we get to February and 496 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:57,520 it's like, man, we have five guys. 497 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Like we have five guys. But I, I'm, I'm more concerned 498 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,240 about it this year that I have been in the past because you 499 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,120 have, as you mentioned, we have limited guard play. 500 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,400 But on the front court you have Malik Renew, who obviously is 501 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600 still suffering from whatever injury he had and he's still not 502 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760 100%. But you mentioned the minutes. 503 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,520 I just want to bring this up with Ballo who is playing really 504 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,400 hard I think, but playing a ton since he didn't play Winthrop 505 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:35,640 here his minutes from games Rutgers on 323233243440363935. 506 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,440 You go back and look at his career. 507 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,960 He's had a lengthy college basketball career. 508 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,800 I I, I did this kind of skimming through I only see one other 509 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,240 time he played three games in a row with 30 plus minutes and 510 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,200 that was last year when he played Purdue, Alabama, Ford 511 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,400 Atlantic 333033 and then the next couple games like 21/24/21. 512 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,960 Like I would equate this to you have a car and you're like 513 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080 running it in the red. Like you are just revving this 514 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,400 thing up. And I, I think the whole team is 515 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,360 running in the red. And, and again, this is where my 516 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,440 concern comes is like this is not sustainable. 517 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000 You just can't. And you see it. 518 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Balo looks exhausted at the end of games. 519 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,320 I don't think he is AI have a hard time believing he's going 520 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,880 to be able to keep up this pace running 35 to 38 minutes a game. 521 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,200 And if you're having the team put this kind of effort like 522 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,360 this is where I get concerned. Like you say, you throw all of 523 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,800 this effort again at Wisconsin, maybe you come up short. 524 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,720 Are you going to continue to like bang your head against the 525 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,360 wall and have the energy to do this? 526 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,080 This is just another concern of mine is I just, I don't think 527 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,000 that I'm picking, I'm not picking on Ballo, but his his 528 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,040 minutes are astounding and it's really not something that it can 529 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,760 keep going this way. No, I think it's a valid point. 530 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,720 And it's funny because we're a month, five weeks removed from 531 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,240 people being convinced that Balo didn't care and wasn't giving 532 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,320 effort and, you know, got suspended for didn't didn't get 533 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,720 suspended. But it looked like he got 534 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,040 suspended because he was there was a picture of him out at the 535 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,440 bars during winter break. And yet you look at what he's 536 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,160 done since the Iowa game, you know, Illinois 34 minutes, had 537 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,200 an offensive rating of 120. That's real good. 538 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,920 Played 40 minutes against Ohio State, had an offensive rating 539 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,760 of 122, real good 36 minutes offensive rating of 118 against 540 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,920 Northwestern, 39 minutes offensive rating of 118 versus 541 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,560 Maryland and 35 minutes against Purdue with an offensive rating 542 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,600 of 114. And really was into that game, 543 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680 like was really pissed at the end of that game. 544 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,360 Rebounds each game. And so this is it's this is 545 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:42,080 probably the biggest frustration I have right now about the Mike 546 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,400 Woodson era. You've got, in this case, a guy 547 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,240 who has NBA potential, big body type of player we've always been 548 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,200 interested in seeing. And you couldn't get him playing 549 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,960 consistently well when Miles Rice was playing well. 550 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,120 Well, now Omar Ballo's playing really well and Miles Rice is 551 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,520 not playing consistently well. But you've also got this 552 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,840 situation where I think you're right. 553 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,520 It looks like you're overusing Ballo by a significant margin 554 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,080 because if again, if you Scott you, you, you go back to Arizona 555 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,760 and rarely would he get over 29 minutes a game. 556 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,160 There would be occasional games where you would see that happen 557 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,680 and then I would like. Throttle back down the guy, 558 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,400 we're going to keep him under 20 for the next two. 559 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,920 And you know, IU has been forced into this by injury, but again, 560 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,040 it's it's less injury as it is bad roster construction, you 561 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,200 know, so you, you, you poured all your eggs into the we're 562 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,640 going to have Balo and Renew out there all the time and they'll 563 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,400 play off of each other. And when you've gotten to the 564 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,720 point where you haven't had Renew or games like this Purdue 565 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,880 game where Renew's just simply not ready to contribute because 566 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,200 he's a foul machine. And he he he either doesn't have 567 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,800 his rhythm or he's just kind of regressed. 568 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,560 I can't really figure out which one it is. 569 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,120 You're locked in now with your whole offensive system to having 570 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,720 Omar Balo out there. And even if you've got a few 571 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,240 minutes where you're not playing Omar Balo and you've got a 572 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,320 smaller lineup, you nervously are putting him back in as soon 573 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,920 as possible. Because the way that you want to 574 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,680 play basketball from a coaching perspective relies on you having 575 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,400 a big out there, who's in the post and doing what Omar Balo 576 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,200 does. One, and I'll just say like I 577 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240 started those minutes and I started like, you know, at the 578 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,200 Rutgers game on January 2nd. Like that's part of the way he 579 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,160 was used at Arizona was he would have those moments in big games 580 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,800 where they play them 3536 minutes. 581 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,040 But then like I'm just, you know, randomly they played UCLA 582 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,520 last year. He played 18 minutes and they 583 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760 won. Like you had a stretch against 584 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,720 Rutgers, Penn State, USC, three games where you played them 3232 585 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,280 and 33 minutes. Those are games he probably 586 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,200 should have played 21 and you should have had it. 587 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,000 You should have been able to win those games comfortably. 588 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840 This is where I have issue with this team is like you're, you're 589 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,760 running this team so hard to win those games against Penn State, 590 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,280 USC, which I mean, they had to do was like you look at the you 591 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,920 look at the schedule, it's like, all right, right now should be 592 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,160 the time like, OK, starting this Purdue game, this is where you 593 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,520 can run him hard for four games and then we'll scale it back. 594 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,880 But they didn't they weren't they needed him for 30. 595 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,120 The problem is they needed him 33 minutes to beat USC. 596 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200 And that's that's that's part of the problem. 597 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,680 Yeah, I mean, it just the whole thing feels mismanaged and and 598 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,320 the game plan, the game plans feel like they're they're just 599 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,600 not getting results. You know, you could quibble 600 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,440 about whether or not it's the best approach or not, but this 601 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,720 is really solidly an NIT level team right now and it's got a 602 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,200 second weekend roster. And I did this. 603 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Sorry to interrupt but I I. I played around on Torvik a 604 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,160 little bit. Oh my God, where is it? 605 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Where? Where is it, Scott? 606 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960 I played around on Torvic and you can do a compare this team 607 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,200 to other like teams with similar resumes from previous years and 608 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,640 I did it Big 10 only there's a couple of other Big 10 teams, 609 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,200 but do you know the number two team? 610 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,080 This this current team comps with is a previous Indiana team, 611 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,400 the 2017 Tom Crean last year team. 612 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,320 This is this is where this team currently comps most likely to 613 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920 in Indiana history is the 2017 team. 614 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,040 And, you know, there, there's some crossover there, obviously. 615 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,960 I mean, people forget that team had Thomas Bryant, who you know, 616 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,680 is is still playing in the NBA, that he met, that he met Juwan 617 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560 Morgan. That team met James Blackman for 618 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080 you know what, I think the whole season that year, you know, that 619 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,720 that was a talented team, really underperformed. 620 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,840 Rob Johnson was on that team. Yeah, that team lost a 621 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,920 Ojiananobi, but but it's a similar kind of thing where 622 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560 you're just like, they should be playing better and more 623 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,920 consistently. Now. 624 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560 That team was still really good offensively, comparatively 625 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,080 speaking, and just really, really bad defensively. 626 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,760 This team's just kind of mid in both of those categories. 627 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,680 You know, they're right now, if you go by Kenpom, they're 628 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,640 they're what, 56th in offensive efficiency and 66th in defensive 629 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,320 efficiency? And that's just. 630 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,440 Just be mid. Like you're right, you should 631 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,240 just say mid. Like Ken pops just mid. 632 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,280 It's a it's a very mediocre set of outcomes for a team who's got 633 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,640 a roster where the ceiling or maybe the floor should be higher 634 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,720 than what it is right now. And nobody's surprised like 635 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,280 you're none of us are surprised. Nobody's just watching. 636 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,840 I'm actually, to some degree, given what we saw last year, the 637 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,800 the hope was maybe last year was just a bad confluence of events. 638 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,960 This was the argument for those of you who've, you know, who've 639 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,920 tried to argue he should have fired Woodson last year. 640 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,000 That wasn't going to happen for a whole variety of reasons, but 641 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,280 there's always the chance. Well, gosh, maybe that was just 642 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,360 a bad combination of people and situations in terms of like just 643 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,720 the the chemistry was off. And Xavier Johnson, like that 644 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,360 injury just killed our back court so. 645 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,880 It's it's like you had a whole offseason, you threw a bunch of 646 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,920 money at the problem, but you basically got the same set of 647 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,280 issues. You're playing marginally better 648 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,560 than last year, but not enough to get to where I think you 649 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,200 know, you're not. You're on the still on the 650 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120 outside of the tournament looking in right now and you're 651 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,240 staring down the barrel of what could be a really disagree or 652 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,520 like a really bad outcome in terms of the the conference 653 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:19,000 itself and what you do there. So all that to say, I, I don't 654 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 think we learned anything new from the Purdue game other than 655 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,760 I feel like we've seen this before under Woodson where you 656 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,280 have the the random game where the team plays really well and 657 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920 then loses and everybody's a little bit confused. 658 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,120 Like, well, what, what does that mean exactly? 659 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,720 Like does that mean that we're back? 660 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,000 Does that mean that I use in good shape? 661 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,960 It kind of reminds me, if you remember last year, you know, 662 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,000 Indiana was at Illinois at almost the exact same time of 663 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,760 the year. It was January 27th and Illinois 664 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,440 was a really good team last year. 665 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,720 Obviously Indiana goes on a 13 nothing run and is leading by 7 666 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,520 points with about 12 minutes to go. 667 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,440 Immediately let's up an 11 to one run and and Indiana kept it 668 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,600 close the rest of the way. You know they it was I think 669 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,800 tied at 62 with two minutes to go and then they let a bunch of 670 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,840 points up at the end. They end up losing by 8, and I 671 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600 remember coming out of that game thinking maybe this IU team is 672 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600 going to be all right after all. Look at the effort that they 673 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,480 gave. And at the time, that loss 674 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,159 dropped them to 12:00 and 8:00 and 4:00 and 5:00, which is not 675 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,159 too far off where they're at right now, Scott. 676 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,760 And then I'm sorry. Then they proceeded to lose 5 of 677 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,000 their next seven games. And they they won their next one 678 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,199 and then lost at our watch party. 679 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,480 And it's like it's, it's, it's lining up. 680 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,199 Perfectly to this year as well. So it's just, it's like I've 681 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,080 almost gotten too jaded. And look, I just want to go out 682 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,880 of my way to say if you look at Torvic game score, which we 683 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,840 talked about on this, on this program a lot, that was one of 684 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,800 the best games Indiana played all season against Purdue. 685 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,719 Their game score in that game was 94. 686 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,480 By comparison, the Minnesota win at home was a 95. 687 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,280 The Providence win was a 95. The South Carolina win was a 95. 688 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,840 You know, it was actually a better game score than Indiana's 689 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,240 wins against USC and Penn State. So I I reject the idea that 690 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,680 Indiana played badly in terms of like their overall performance. 691 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,400 There are certainly some things that were concerning, most of 692 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,000 them on the defensive side. But offensively the team played 693 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,240 well. The team played tough. 694 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,960 All the things that you would like to see. 695 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,960 And the ironic thing is if Indiana had lost the Iowa game 696 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,760 or the Illinois game looking like they looked in the Purdue 697 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,120 game, I think there'd be a lot less concern. 698 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:36,760 But going out playing hard and losing when you've already had 699 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,320 games where you went out and didn't play hard and lost or 700 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,440 where you've already lost some close games, it just feels like 701 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,960 you find different. It's like connect the dots with 702 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,480 losses. It's like, well here's our bad 703 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,240 loss, here's our good loss, Here's the loss where we should 704 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,160 have executed better at the end. They all essentially count as 705 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560 losses at the end of the day. And since we've already been 706 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,160 through this drama once before last year, it's hard to really 707 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,480 get too fired up about playing good at Purdue and losing. 708 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,120 Because I can almost guarantee you they're probably going to go 709 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,800 get curb stopped in Wisconsin because that seems to be the 710 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,800 pattern. Like you, you play real hard. 711 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,800 You have a let down at the end, you lose. 712 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880 Now you got to go back on the road play at Wisconsin, which is 713 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,200 not a place that Indiana's won in decades, and Wisconsin's 714 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520 going to be loaded for bear. Wisconsin's like an extreme 715 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,920 version of Purdue in terms of what they do offensively, and 716 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,960 you just let up essentially 1.2 points per possession against 717 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,520 Purdue, and that was a Purdue team that only hit two threes 718 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,920 the entire game. I'm pretty sure Wisconsin's 719 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,680 going to be better from three than that. 720 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,880 It just everything sets up for this being another regression. 721 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,680 And that is a concerning thing because ultimately the morale 722 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,160 around this team and the morale around the program just 723 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,280 continues to sync with every one of these losses. 724 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,800 And we've again, as with last year, we've seen how that plays 725 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,480 out. Well, and I'll, I'll again, 726 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,760 assembly call has been on this for a while. 727 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,000 Like the word they keep using and there's just no other word 728 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,280 to use is inconsistency. And I think that's something you 729 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,120 could we all leave this game and you can ask 100 IU fans how how 730 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,880 is IU going to play against Wisconsin? 731 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,920 It's like I, I really don't know, like I'm with you. 732 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,120 They're probably get curb stop. Like they could come out and 733 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,480 play hard together. I I really don't know what this 734 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,840 team and I think that's part of I I know they're probably going 735 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,120 to lose, but how they get there, I'm not sure. 736 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,880 And I think that's the problem is you're not and you've seen it 737 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,920 the last couple of years. Unfortunately, you've seen it, 738 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,360 you know, even before Woodson. This team is just very 739 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,400 schizophrenic. It's just very up and down and 740 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,400 like a good performance doesn't really equate that we figured 741 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,080 anything out. It just might mean we had a good 742 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,720 performance for one night and then maybe we'll have two good 743 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,440 performances, but then like it they're always it doesn't seem 744 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,360 to be building on anything. So that's that's the issue. 745 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,600 The the last thing I want to say and I'm going to get through 746 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,080 this, but you know, I I'm going to answer my own question before 747 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,120 you. I'll let you answer it. 748 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,120 But like all of this talk about the, you know, the kind of the 749 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560 the overarching feel after this game was like you Indiana played 750 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,520 really hard. Like that's, that's something we 751 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,120 should be happy with. Like, you know, in, you know, in 752 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,040 the micro, like Matt, it's never good to lose to Purdue. 753 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,120 I hate losing to Purdue, but it's like, hey, in this, in this 754 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,360 case, give it everything we know. 755 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,840 Like it's, it's a pretty good outcome. 756 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,360 And I was I I don't disagree with that, But I was also 757 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,800 thinking like, this is how a a program slides into mediocrity 758 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,080 as you just start having these moments where it's like, all 759 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,160 right, well, I obviously can't expect to win. 760 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,600 So I'm just happy they played hard. 761 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,400 When you go macro with it, it's like this season, obviously we 762 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,800 can't expect this team to go to the Final four, but it's like at 763 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,480 some point you do. And like when you start just 764 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,480 kind of sliding those expectations, it's like it's 765 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,640 it's just frustrating and it's sad because I was I was telling 766 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,080 somebody like, this is how you become Minnesota basketball. 767 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,760 Like I don't want to be there. Then I'll stop because I'm like, 768 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,520 I know what Galen would say. It's like for the last 10 years 769 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,800 we've been to Minnesota basketball and we are there. 770 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,840 So it's like I, I had a whole conversation with you in my head 771 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,920 yesterday because it's like, it is, it's just sad to think like 772 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,760 it's not just that we're sliding expectations off that stoop. 773 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,400 Like we're, we are just there. I mean, it's just, it's there. 774 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560 And I, I understand the sentiment for everyone who's 775 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,280 like, I can't get just unbelievably pissed right now 776 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,000 because we lost to Purdue because I wasn't expecting to 777 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,400 win. But but it's like, we all need 778 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,720 to take a breath and be like, that's part of the problem. 779 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,120 And we're probably going to lose at Wisconsin. 780 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,640 I'm, I don't think anyone's going to be pissed. 781 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,360 No one's expecting us to go in there and win. 782 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,360 No one's expecting us to win for the next 5, but it it is just a 783 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,080 macro. It's just sad that we're there 784 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,000 and it's not just that we just got here. 785 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,560 It's like open our eyes. I've been we've been here for 786 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,240 five or ten years and I don't know there's there's no happy 787 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,480 end of that. It's just it. 788 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,080 It's a bummer. It, it is, I mean, and again, 789 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,200 it's, it's not for a lack of, I mean, there's been talent 790 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,400 brought in that's significantly higher than a lot of programs 791 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080 that are outperformed Indiana. But now Indiana struggles 792 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,560 sometimes to get the talent as well because they're not 793 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,760 recruiting. I mean, there's just so many 794 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,080 things that we've been through before. 795 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,040 I, my thing is this, I understand your arguments about 796 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,640 program expectations. I don't think anybody has been 797 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,280 satisfied with the expectations of or the the outcomes with IU. 798 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,680 The it's, it's one of those situations where ultimately 799 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,240 everybody understands that there's a problem. 800 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,360 I think the problem that we run into is that there's not a clear 801 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,960 idea of what the problem, what's the source of the problem. 802 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,120 And it's it's easy to point to the fact that Indiana has 803 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,520 struggled mightily to even live up to average expectations of a 804 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,600 contending Big 10 team over the course of the last 15 years. 805 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,640 They've done it occasionally, but most of the time they're not 806 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,120 even in the mix. They're they're a 500 or worse 807 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,640 team. I mean, you look at the records 808 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,160 of Indiana in the conference over the course of, I mean, 809 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,280 let's go back, go back. If you go back, you know, 11 810 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,000 years, 7 and 11/9 and 9:15 and 3:00 seven and 11/9 and 9/8 and 811 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,680 12/9 and 11/7 and 12/9 and 11:12 and 8:10 and 10:00 five and six 812 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,800 this year. It's this is like Indiana is 813 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,040 middle of the pack is almost like it's not inaccurate, but it 814 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,160 almost feels too kind because to be consistently between 7:00 and 815 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,560 9:00 wins for so many of those game of of those seasons in 816 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,040 conference. It's like, wow, you really 817 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,440 aren't measuring up to your competition and the fact that it 818 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,680 stretches over multiple coaches. The logical thought process is, 819 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,040 oh, it's a program issue. There's something wrong with the 820 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,440 Indiana University program over multiple or. 821 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,240 Athletic. Directors, right, That's the 822 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,720 thing it's like to me like, and people have heard me argue this 823 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,640 before, it's just Indiana hasn't had the right choices at the 824 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,840 top. Like ultimately, and again, it's 825 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,920 not a personal thing, but if you listen to the X's and Joe's 826 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,440 podcast, Bob and Mike do a great job of talking through the 827 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,520 historical precedence and the the 10 years of coaches and what 828 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,520 when it works, it works really well. 829 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,520 When it doesn't work, it's not like it generally starts working 830 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,640 later on. And when you generally when it 831 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,240 is going to work later on, it's because there's a dynamite 832 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,560 recruiting class like that. That was the example with Mike 833 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,240 Schefsky. Everybody points to Schefsky 834 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,440 being like, oh, look, he, he failed for his first four years. 835 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,440 And then in today's day and age, they would have fired him. 836 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,080 And it's like, well, I don't know if that's necessarily true 837 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,520 because what kept him alive there was this amazing 838 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,920 recruiting class that he had brought in. 839 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,400 And they're like, well, we're going to let this mature. 840 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,920 And that group ended up taking them to a Final Four in 1986. 841 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520 But, you know, even, like people point out, you know, John Wooden 842 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,400 didn't win a championship till he was 10 years in. 843 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,160 And it's like that. That's such a different era. 844 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,840 It doesn't really count in the big scheme of things, by and 845 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,440 large. And again, it's not just Mike 846 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,920 Woodson, it's also Archie Miller. 847 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,080 It's, you know, really quickly with most of these seasons and 848 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,600 that the coaches have whether or not it's going to work. 849 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,240 The hinge point on the Woodson era was, was last year just a 850 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,440 fluke, as Woodson argued. It was, it was. 851 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,200 We didn't, you know, we had an injury and we didn't realize 852 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,760 that Jalen Hutchofino could possibly go to the pros. 853 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,200 I, I mean, the injury part, you can't get around the the Jalen 854 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,560 Hutchofino part I'm really dubious about. 855 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,440 It's kind of like. To you mean Jalen Hutchofino, 856 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,760 the the linchpin of a Luca Anthony Davis trade? 857 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,520 Well, I guess more what I mean by that. 858 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,040 The idea that what we were certainly gonna have him for two 859 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,400 years. It kind of reminds me. 860 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,240 It kind of reminds me of the, the argument what we were trying 861 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,200 to, to call time out and, and you know, nobody paid attention. 862 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,160 It's like the, the evidence, if you go back and actually look at 863 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,360 the evidence, it doesn't really support what you're arguing 864 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,400 here. So it just feels like we're, 865 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,640 we're fully in the excuse mode right now for IU basketball and 866 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,200 this is just going to be how it is the rest of the season. 867 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,840 And we talked about this what, 3 weeks ago and you know, a lot of 868 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,720 people have not a lot of OK, not a lot of people. 869 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,600 A few people have been critical of us, I guess not talking more 870 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,440 about the coaching situation. I don't know what else we're 871 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640 supposed to say besides what we said a few weeks ago on this, 872 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,000 which is this isn't working. This isn't likely to start 873 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,120 working. And it's unlikely that either 874 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,600 Woodson is going to walk away or that IU is going to fire in mid 875 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,360 season. Like none of those things are 876 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,600 are likely given the people involved and giving the given 877 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,600 the circumstances involved, which just means that again, 878 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,080 we're going to be stuck in a February that's likely to not be 879 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,520 a lot of fun. There will certainly be random 880 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,720 noise in there. You know, one of the things that 881 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,960 we're used to seeing out of IU in these late season items is 882 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,880 there's always like one game that they win randomly where 883 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,160 it's like, how the heck did we win that game? 884 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,200 You know, it's like. We we could win our last four 885 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,720 again. Well, like. 886 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,640 Eyes cast, then we'll come on strong and be like man. 887 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,200 I mean, it's like, again, I keep going like the 2019 season under 888 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,360 Archie Miller, you know, that that team that lost 12 of 13, 889 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,520 that team swept Michigan State, who was the number three team in 890 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,480 the country according to Kenpom. That year. 891 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,600 That team beat Wisconsin, who was 16th in Kenpom. 892 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,600 That didn't make them a good team. 893 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,680 It it just meant that they won some games and that's going to 894 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,240 happen. And so this is where you know 895 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,360 the back and forth about where this team is at. 896 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,800 You can't almost you almost can't get caught up in the 897 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,080 individual games unless they string a bunch of them together 898 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,160 for a victory or for victories. Because when you go back and 899 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,520 look at the statistics that tell you the overall picture, this is 900 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,080 a team that's essentially a two or three seed in the NIT, 901 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,080 probably at best, given the way that their talent plays and 902 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,400 given the approach that the coaching staff has taken. 903 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,600 And it just, again, if you look at the micro trends of the 904 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,760 statistics, which I do think are important, a lot of people think 905 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,560 that they're overrated. But the problem Indiana's got is 906 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,520 that they fix 1 hole and then another one springs leak. 907 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,840 You know, Indiana finally gets their offense on tracked after 908 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,040 two terrible offensive performances against Iowa and 909 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760 Illinois. And they start scoring a lot and 910 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,280 then they throw that away because they start playing worst 911 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,920 defense. Now, they played bad defense in 912 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,480 the Iowa and Illinois games, but they've played their worst 913 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,600 stretch of defense of the whole season over the last six games. 914 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,800 And oh, by the way, they're five and six. 915 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,560 Like, why are you playing your worst defense of the season at 916 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,120 the end of January? That is a real open question. 917 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,920 And it again, I think it points back to the core issue, which is 918 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,480 that the plan doesn't work. And the roster that was 919 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,360 assembled is too brittle to be able to win different ways. 920 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,640 And it takes guys playing at their maximum level, which 921 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640 should happen all the time and clearly doesn't. 922 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,680 But it also takes the opponent having a bad game. 923 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,920 And that's just not a combination that you're going to 924 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,720 be able to rely on for both of those things to converge enough 925 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,280 for Indiana to win at the level they need to, to be anything 926 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880 other than a fringe bubble team, which is what they are. 927 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,280 So one last thing, just just, you know, we we kind of don't 928 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,320 talk a lot about it. I'm not going to go deep into 929 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,760 it, but you you mentioned the idea of, you know, people, why 930 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,840 aren't we talking more about firing woods and this and that. 931 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,520 This is probably I would throw this out there. 932 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,040 If X's and Joe's are listening, this is I would be a dive I'd be 933 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,640 interested in. You know, there is just that 934 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,400 that's not the way it's done. I'm going to stay here. 935 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,600 It's just they're they're I'm trying to think of how many mid 936 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,800 season college basketball coach firing, sorry, coach firings 937 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,080 there have been over the last 20 years. 938 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,480 It's very rare. I mean, we did have it with 939 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,480 Kelvin Sampson here. That was a very unique 940 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,880 situation. I would say that we are not in. 941 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,000 I would then also pin it down to how many times the team fired a 942 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,560 coach mid season when that coach happens to be an alumnus. 943 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,840 Like it's just it's it's a situation that is just very, 944 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,800 very abnormal and it's not the way it's done in this business. 945 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,920 And it sucks because at least in the NBA, you know, you can be 946 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,640 like, all right, well, we'll get a better draft pick. 947 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,160 Like let's start rooting for losses and get a better draft 948 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,360 pick. Like there isn't that option 949 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,600 here. And I'm I'm with you that 950 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,160 there's, you know, if you're listening to us talk, we 951 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,480 obviously think there are issues with what's going on, but 952 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,520 there's no point in banging right now that we got a fire and 953 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,240 do this. So that's like, it's just, it's 954 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,680 not the way things are done. It's not going to happen. 955 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,680 And so like, how can we get to the end of this season and try 956 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,280 and find some positives and get there? 957 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,400 I think is the way to look at it. 958 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,800 But that that would be my thing is like, just go back and like, 959 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,520 give me if you're wanting to hear us talk more about like all 960 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,600 the changes need to be made. Like, please give me 10 other 961 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,920 examples of colleges that fire to coach mid season because it 962 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,360 just doesn't happen. And so, you know, it, it sucks 963 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,200 because like I said, I, I, this is 20% of my life after college 964 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,240 where February and March don't matter for basketball. 965 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,080 Like I'm, I'm just waiting for the season to be over to see 966 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,560 what the next steps are. And that sucks because I love 967 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,640 March. I love having friends over, 968 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,480 watching the tournament, doing brackets like, and I love when I 969 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,360 can pick Indiana. And I haven't been able to do it 970 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,120 20% of my life after I graduated college. 971 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,360 And it, it, it sucks, but it's like, this is where we're at And 972 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,680 it's, it's going, you know, and unfortunately, I just don't know 973 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,000 if there's, there's no good options. 974 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,480 And you know, to, to say like, man, I, you just got to do 975 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,040 something. You're, and I'm as guilty of 976 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,560 this too sometimes, like they got to do things. 977 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:09,920 You're pissing away another February. 978 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,760 Like I, I don't know what anybody can do here. 979 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,000 Like besides just look at the effort you put up against 980 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,000 Purdue. And it's like, all right, we're 981 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,400 going to need to continue this effort and we're going to need 982 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,640 to honestly go even better. That just that effort was 983 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,320 awesome. We got to find that extra. 984 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,440 What was it the Malcolm, the 212° that big management book 985 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,640 like 15 years ago? Like go the extra degree. 986 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,760 Like we got to find to go to 101 percent, 100. 987 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,680 Like we've got to step this up. We've got to have a big home 988 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,000 crowd at Michigan. We've got to do well and and try 989 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,680 and maybe we can just salvage a high seed in the NIT and maybe 990 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,160 you can win the NIT and go from there. 991 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520 Anyway, that's all I have to say, But it's just I don't, 992 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160 there's no real historical precedent of of teams doing much 993 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,400 in this situation besides just kind of riding out the stretch. 994 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,240 Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's bad. 995 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:59,120 And certainly the discourse on social media isn't going to help 996 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,080 anything. And this is 1 and honestly. 997 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,200 You can say that for any, any, any area, any place. 998 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,000 No, no. But I mean, I think especially 999 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,400 with this, like I just, I see so much that is just completely 1000 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,200 unsourced crap that people treat like it might be true. 1001 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,800 I think it gets people thinking that something's happening that 1002 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,600 isn't actually happening. In a lot of cases, it's just not 1003 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,400 worth it. We're really at a point where my 1004 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,240 recommendation would just be if you are, if you're an IU fan, I 1005 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,600 would you, you don't have a lot of reason to really like get 1006 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,440 fired up about the team. I still recommend watching the 1007 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,360 games. I still recommend going to games 1008 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160 if you've got tickets. I don't recommend booing or 1009 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,880 anything like that. But I I also think that IU fans, 1010 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,160 pretty much, I would not as everybody, but most of the IU 1011 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,960 fans coming into the season were very skeptical about how this 1012 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,440 was going to go. And they got told over and over 1013 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,680 again that, no, it was going to be different, that this approach 1014 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,440 was going to work. And you can't question, I think, 1015 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,960 the individual talent on this team, but you can question how 1016 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,320 it's playing together, how it's being utilized. 1017 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,520 There's not a lot that can be done to change that. 1018 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,120 And you know, right now, you look down the rest of the 1019 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,360 schedule. There's nine games in the 1020 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,760 regular season. You're guaranteed 10 more games 1021 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,000 total with this team when you add in the first Big 10 1022 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,880 tournament game, It's it's not going to be a fun ride. 1023 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,600 They'll be individual good moments. 1024 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,720 I wouldn't be shocked if Indiana won one or even 2 of their next 1025 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:28,640 4, but then turned around and lost, you know, some games 1026 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,880 towards the end. Like there's it just at this 1027 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,000 point, it feels like they've had a few opportunities to 1028 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,920 demonstrate that they can rise back into like the top 50 at 1029 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360 Kenpom and, and really put themselves in a position where 1030 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,160 they can capitalize on the stuff that they had done that was 1031 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,040 worthwhile. And and yet I don't think that 1032 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,480 that's really in the cards given how Indiana has played over the 1033 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,240 course of these last couple of games. 1034 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,760 Even if they get a close, they they essentially Indiana has to 1035 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,080 be so far ahead that they can't squander the lead at the end. 1036 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,400 And Indiana doesn't play well enough consistently to hold 1037 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,320 opponents down to be able to have that kind of a lead at the 1038 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,720 end of the game. And you know, I, I, I, you go 1039 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:14,000 back to the Ohio State game like that was a great example of 1040 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,560 that. Like Indiana was, was, was 1041 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,560 playing really well in that game was up what, 70 to 61? 1042 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,440 And that wasn't a big enough run. 1043 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,680 That wasn't a big enough lead for them to hold with six 1044 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,920 minutes to play. This pattern has, has, has 1045 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,520 operated over and over again. And I don't really understand 1046 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,880 the nuts and bolts of why it continues to not work. 1047 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,000 And I don't even think the coaching staff really 1048 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,960 understands it. But that's a real problem. 1049 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,080 If if you don't under if you can't diagnose the issue, you 1050 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,360 can't get to a solution. And it feels like Indiana's been 1051 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,880 stuck in that for the last couple of years. 1052 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,840 Well, and with this question for you, obviously I know they can 1053 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,000 go 10 and O, So like it's everything's possible the way 1054 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,720 that you're talking. I don't disagree, but do do you 1055 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,480 feel like at this point that the chance of this team making the 1056 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,520 tournament has slipped away? No. 1057 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,160 I don't think it's slipped away just just by sheer numbers. 1058 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,000 If people, some people are like, why are you doing a show talking 1059 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,280 about Indiana's chances for the NCAA tournament, which is what I 1060 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,320 did on Thursday night. And the reason I did that show 1061 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,160 was to demonstrate that IU is actually not that far away from 1062 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,360 the tournament. But. 1063 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,560 But given the way they're playing, do you think it's like? 1064 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,600 It's, well, I, I mean, I, I'll say this, the, the actual 1065 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,640 percentage chances in aggregate, you know, this is the thing 1066 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,320 about Kenpom and the projected records and Torvic is the same 1067 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,520 thing. It's taking the percentage 1068 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,840 averages and it's saying, well, you know, is Indiana likely to 1069 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,680 win this individual game? No. 1070 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,080 And then you string that together with the other games 1071 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,760 and and that's the probability that builds the total record. 1072 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,080 It's certainly not out of the question that Indiana could beat 1073 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,880 UCLA at home 'cause they're only projected to lose that game by a 1074 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,600 point. It's not out of the question 1075 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,440 that they could beat Michigan at home because they're only 1076 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,200 projected to lose that by three points. 1077 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,840 But it's also not out of the question that Indiana would lose 1078 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,680 at Washington 'cause they're only expected to win that by a 1079 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,040 point. I, I guess I look at it and I 1080 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,960 say, because there's a lot of these games that are relatively 1081 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,520 close in terms of their their projected win loss. 1082 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,520 There's always a chance Indiana could get lucky and string 1083 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,280 together a bunch of games and that ends up being what gets 1084 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,560 them into the tournament. And you know, you look at the 1085 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,680 luck rating, which on Ken Palm is essentially how much better 1086 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,920 is your record versus what it should be given your statistical 1087 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,840 performance or how much worse is it given what your statistical 1088 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,600 performance would be? Indiana's 81st in luck, which 1089 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,480 means they've actually won games that they probably shouldn't 1090 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,880 have. That Ohio State game being a 1091 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,760 good example because the statistics demonstrated that 1092 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,920 they probably shouldn't have won it. 1093 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,640 So they've they've actually over performed based upon their 1094 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,720 statistical performance so far this year. 1095 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,000 Could that continue? Could they pick up a couple more 1096 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,760 wins? Could they get to 9 and 11 in 1097 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,960 conference? Sure, and that might be enough 1098 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,160 to get them in the tournament. I don't think it would erase the 1099 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,200 fact that there's not a very good team, but that we've seen 1100 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,640 not good teams sneak into the tournament before because the 1101 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,280 rest of the field was just that bad. 1102 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,560 So I can't really answer your question because it relies on 1103 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,800 too many variables that don't involve Indiana. 1104 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,720 Got it. So anyway, I think that'll wrap 1105 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:16,400 it up for us on this one. We'll be back at some point this 1106 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,800 week, probably post Wisconsin. We'll have a something else for 1107 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,200 you and we should have another football show at some point 1108 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,920 coming up here soon. But Indiana playing Tuesday 1109 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,520 against Wisconsin at the night game. 1110 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,440 That's we'll see how that goes. And then of course, we'll be 1111 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,040 here at the upstairs pub during the Michigan game and after the 1112 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,880 Michigan game on the 8th of February. 1113 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,480 That's going to be a lot of fun. For those of you who are not 1114 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,920 aware, we're going to be the out there Evan Williams sponsoring 1115 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,840 the event, The Breakfast Club going to be starting up that 1116 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,920 morning. So head over there, no cover at 1117 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,840 the upstairs pub and you get to hang out with us and the 1118 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,320 Assembly Hall crew and a lot of other folks as they'll all be in 1119 00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,840 town for the game. And we're looking forward to 1120 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,240 hanging with you all you folks as well. 1121 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:04,280 So Scott, as always, a pleasure. Good chatting with you. 1122 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,240 You too, and thanks to all you folks for tuning in and 1123 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,400 listening. We'll be back with more Crimson 1124 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,840 cast later on as Indiana tries to right the ship and get 1125 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,360 themselves back into the NCAA Tournament for Scott. 1126 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,600 I'm Galen. This is Crimson cast. 1127 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,920 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 1128 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,560 Bison. Stay. 1129 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,800 Never Dawson. So everybody.