1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,280 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:22,080 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cask, 3 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:24,800 Allen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you here on the show. 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,200 It is Sunday, November 24th. We can no longer say Indiana is 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,440 undefeated. We can still say Indiana has ten 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,480 wins, 10 and one on the season. Coming off. 7 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:41,480 It was certainly a difficult day at the office in Columbus, OH. 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,360 We're going to talk extensively about that. 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,040 We're also going to talk about College Football Playoff and all 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,080 the items that kind of fell out from what happened over the 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,240 course of the last 24 hours, as it was a very busy time in 12 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,880 college football and Indiana still right in the thick of 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,440 things despite the results that happened over in Columbus. 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,920 I was there. I've got some reflections and 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,879 things like that I'm going to share with everybody. 16 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:09,040 And Scott, you got a chance to watch the game on TV, so well, 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,400 we'll talk about that as well. Scott, first of all, how you 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,680 doing? I'm doing great, man. 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,240 I it's a bummer. I think we're all a little bit 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,600 sad, but I would I would say this, take a moment, have some 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,040 reflection. We're still in a Scott fever 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,480 dream, right? Two or three months ago, if I 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 said 10 and one with a loss to Ohio State, that wasn't an 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,960 awesome game. You should be like, take it done 25 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,960 like that. I will bank that all day long. 26 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,160 So just keep that in mind. We're still we're still in 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,840 positive fever dream. Territory yes exactly, and it's 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,800 it's one of those things where the the sting of what occurs 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,880 during a game like that it's it's just one of those those 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,160 wild things and you just you got to kind of shake it off and put 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,760 yourself in a position where you think a little more clearly and 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,840 so we're going to try to do that on the show today and we'll 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,800 we'll work through it together. 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And even as they struggled 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,560 through most of the first half to capitalize on that, it looked 94 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,880 like they were going to be able to keep it in at halftime. 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,280 It was a 14 seven game, which as I tweeted and and it's eerily 96 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,560 similar to what you just said about the fever dream. 97 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,920 It's like, hey, if you'd said we were going to be down a score 98 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,920 getting the ball to start the second-half at Ohio Stadium, 99 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,880 you'd have taken it. And unfortunately, Indiana did 100 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,600 almost nothing the rest of the game, while Ohio State really 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,680 came into their own, flex their muscles pretty considerably. 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,160 They end up winning 38 to 15. I am curious what it looked like 103 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,480 through the television first. So I'm going to let you start 104 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,120 with your overall observations on what you saw in this contest. 105 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,080 They're very specific to me. And if you listen to any of our 106 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,400 previews or Crimson Cash, you knew what I was dealing with 107 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,320 that I had a basketball my, my son's basketball game at 1:00. 108 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,560 So for me, I watched the first part of the game, I watched the 109 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,360 score a touchdown, was very fired up on my phone, watched us 110 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,680 do the goal line stand. And then that's when I, I had to 111 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,080 go coach my basketball game. So went and coached the 112 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,240 basketball game. I was about to get out of the 113 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,720 gym until one of the parents, Grant was like, oh, like Scott, 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,440 like, we got it, man, not bad. And it sound like he said, hey, 115 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,800 17 to 14. I was like, like, I don't want 116 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,480 to know. I don't want to know. 117 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,040 But I come back thinking 17 to 14. 118 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,320 And then I see Ohio State score that, you know, go up to 77. 119 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,000 Then it's 14 seven. I'm thinking, all right, well, 120 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,360 no matter what, at least we're scoring a touchdown or they're 121 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,800 it like didn't realize. I think he said 714 because 122 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,720 obviously the score was never 1714. 123 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:25,960 And it it's just one of those where I was like, I was pissed 124 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,000 that I got the score give it away. 125 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,560 And then I was more pissed when I had this like false sense of 126 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:36,120 anyway, you know, the first part of the game, Indiana looked like 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,520 the dominant team. It was wild. 128 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,840 I mean, they were pushing around both sides of the line. 129 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,320 This methodically scored stopped Ohio State and then a couple of 130 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,040 mistakes, you know, just just a couple little mistakes. 131 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,520 And it's not that the team got broke. 132 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,840 I think it was just a bit of almost like the veneer of oh, 133 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,440 yeah, this is Indiana and we're Ohio State and we're just going 134 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,760 to take control for a little bit. 135 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,840 And they did something that that, and then, you know, I I 136 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,320 know you're going to talk about the atmosphere there. 137 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,840 The broadcast was just really tough to watch because you know, 138 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:13,200 on on Indiana's first drive, the both the pass interference calls 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,360 were obvious pass interference calls. 140 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,320 And you know, Joel Klatt's like, well, man, I guess they're going 141 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,160 to be calling this game tight. It's like, well, that's not a 142 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,720 tight call. Like when you're grabbing the 143 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,800 jersey and you have your arms wrapped around the receiver. 144 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,520 That's just a pass interference, whether you're calling it tight 145 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,520 or not. And then it just became an Ohio 146 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,520 State love fest. You know, a lot of a little bit 147 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,960 of eating crow for for what you know, the the brashness of 148 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,920 Indiana and Signetti, although it always it does kind of come 149 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,400 with this. Oh, this feeling of like, how 150 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,120 dare Indiana think they can have the hubris to compete with the 151 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,520 Ohio State Buckeyes, which is is a little bit odd because it's 152 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,400 like Penn State, Michigan are allowed to think they can win. 153 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,840 But but it's tough. But I, I would say this, you 154 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,360 know, the last thought on the game is, you know what, what I'm 155 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 really trying to do, and I think we all need to parse. 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,720 We'll talk about the College Football Playoff like there's 157 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,040 two things here. This effects our College 158 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,360 Football Playoff ability. But it, it's if you take that 159 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,000 out, like that's not anything any of us thought about this 160 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,640 season, You know, just a game against Ohio State, how it fits 161 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,120 into the season. You know, it it it's not 162 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440 abnormal and it wasn't, it wasn't awful. 163 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Well, yeah, I mean, it's interesting because as I, as I 164 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,480 think about the game and the way that it unfolded, couple of 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,240 things stuck out to me as I've tried to reflect on it. 166 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,880 First of all, Indiana I think got a little too comfortable 167 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,240 with their success on the 1st Dr. of the game. 168 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,720 And I actually think they, to some degree, this reminded me of 169 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,080 like a military action where the opposition allows their, the, 170 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,720 the, the army they're fighting against to like gain ground and 171 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,200 feel like they're gaining the advantage and that they can do 172 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,400 certain things. And then, you know, 'cause if 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,720 you look at that first drive that Indiana had, I mean, it 174 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,680 was, it was really an amazing drive, 11 plays, 70 yards, super 175 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:10,520 methodical. And I, I remember sitting there 176 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,840 watching that and we got all the way basically to the end of the 177 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,600 first quarter. And I'm like, wow, if Indiana is 178 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,920 able to do that consistently, they may just choke this game 179 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,240 out. And then almost immediately 180 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,600 after the turnover on downs that Indiana forced at the goal line, 181 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Ohio State changed the way that they were playing the game 182 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,760 defensively and got hyper aggressive with their blitzes. 183 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,360 And Indiana looked like they got sucker punched at that point. 184 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,840 Like they look completely dumbfounded at the amount of 185 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,280 pressure they were getting. They were unsure where the 186 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,240 pressure was coming from and they didn't have an adjustment. 187 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,160 They didn't change what they were doing essentially for 188 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,520 almost the whole game. And I think that that is a 189 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,920 learning lesson for Indiana's coaching staff and players in 190 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,920 that Ohio State realized it was a 60 minute game. 191 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,240 And I can remember standing there in the in the stands 192 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,720 thinking to myself, I got a long way to go. 193 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,840 Like this is a great start, but there's a long way to go in 194 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,080 this. And I was wondering what Ohio 195 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,720 State's change is going to be. And when Ohio State realized 196 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,400 that they could bring an extra blitzer pretty regularly and 197 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,320 overwhelm Indiana with their speed and with their angles, and 198 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 then Indiana wasn't going to really change what they were 199 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,880 doing, it was kind of game over. And you were just like, well, 200 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,640 can Indiana white knuckle this thing to where maybe they can 201 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,800 keep it within a couple of scores and and hopefully find a 202 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,560 place to adjust down the stretch. 203 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,680 And they never could. And it's unfortunate because, 204 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,200 you know, I think you think about the way the defense 205 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,560 played, if you take away the the last touchdown, which was really 206 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:46,200 a product of the onside kick, and I think the fact that the 207 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,360 game was essentially over, the defense essentially only allowed 208 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,040 seventeen points to be scored in this game. 209 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Even if you throw in the the last touchdown that they did let 210 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,640 in, it's 24 points. I mean, letting up 24 points at 211 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,440 the Horseshoe normally is going to be enough of an effort. 212 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,520 It was like the second most yards, like held Ohio State's 213 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,680 been held through all year or something. 214 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:09,080 Yeah, it was. I mean, it ended up being a 215 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,000 pretty good defensive performance all things 216 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,800 considered. But the problem was, you know, 217 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Ohio State scored 38 points. 14 of the points that were allowed 218 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,760 were mistakes that you just can't make in games like this. 219 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,560 And yes, there were there were some penalties that were 220 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:27,440 questionable. There were a couple of plays 221 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,240 that, you know, they shouldn't have happened the way that they 222 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,040 happened. But realistically speaking, what 223 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,560 I think about with this Indiana team is like they they put 224 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:38,800 themselves in a position where they could have won the game if 225 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,160 they figured out something offensively to adjust to. 226 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,080 But then even if they had, they made so many little errors that 227 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,520 are pretty uncharacteristic of this team that it put them in a 228 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,320 position where I don't even think they could have won the 229 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,360 game even if they had had things going well on offense because 230 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,160 Ohio State kept gaining, gaining momentum and gaining momentum as 231 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,120 a result of those things. So I come away overall thinking 232 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,240 to myself, well, the score did to some degree. 233 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,840 It was both representative of how dominant Ohio State was, but 234 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,840 it was also representative. It was also unrepresentative 235 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,600 because a lot of what Indiana did in the game on defense 236 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,840 warranted a better result than what they got. 237 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,240 But to me, the biggest take home point, I think from everything, 238 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,400 even even above and beyond the special teams errors, which 239 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,320 we'll get to in a minute, is how unwell this offense looks 240 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,880 against pressure. And the fact that over the 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,880 course of the last six quarters of football, Indiana has scored 242 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,680 18 points, three in the second-half against Michigan, 15 243 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,440 against Ohio State. That's not what got Indiana to 244 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,480 where they are right now. And unless they can figure out a 245 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,360 way to address what they faced in this Ohio State game and in 246 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,600 the Michigan game, you know, it, it really does put a hard 247 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,120 ceiling on what they can accomplish moving forward. 248 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,080 And it's frankly imperiled a little bit the certainty of them 249 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,800 getting into the College Football Playoff. 250 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,400 I still think as we we'll get to that later, I still think they 251 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,160 will get in. But if you wanted to have 252 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,560 questions about Indiana, they did very little to quell those 253 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:17,560 questions, at least in terms of their offense in this game. 254 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:20,640 And that is very disappointing. No, and expanding off what you 255 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,160 were just talking about, you know, with the Michigan to this 256 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,200 game, that that's the only really concerning part, is it 257 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,240 outside of, you know, the 1st Dr. against Ohio State and you 258 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 know, the the first half against Michigan, you know, you're, 259 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,560 you're seeing as the talent level of the other team steps up 260 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:41,040 with Michigan and Ohio State and the games kind of ratchet up 261 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,680 with talent and importance. You know, thank God for our 262 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:46,200 defense. It's really where we're at, 263 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,760 which I don't think a lot of us would have said two or three 264 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,680 games ago, you know, if the defense doesn't hold on against 265 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:53,080 Michigan, we don't win that game. 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,680 And as we just said, if the defense doesn't kind of hold 267 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,280 Ohio State a couple of times and early in the game, this would 268 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,120 have been a a really ugly blow out. 269 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,440 You know, you look at the, you know, Curtis Rourke 68 yards 270 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,920 passing, you know, just just not, not what you expect. 271 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,000 And that that's the concerning part is, you know, is, is this, 272 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,280 you know, like feature or bug kind of thing? 273 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,320 Like is this something where Signetti and the staff just need 274 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,920 to go back and tinker and figure out, you know, how can we get 275 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,000 this offense humming again against higher competition? 276 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Or is it just this offense has a ceiling and the ceiling is 277 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,040 higher competition and they they they're not going to be able to 278 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,800 to hum playing against those types of teams? 279 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,200 I mean, look, I think there's a couple of things. 280 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,480 Ohio State is legitimately one of the most talented teams in 281 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,200 the country. And a lot, you know, their 282 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,040 talent and Taylor Lehman I was talking with earlier today about 283 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,400 this. A lot of their talent emanates 284 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,960 from their speed and their ability to, you know, close gaps 285 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,400 very quickly. And that's what they did in the 286 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,320 pass rush that caused so many problems for Curtis Rourke. 287 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,080 They, they just absolutely terrorized Rourke and they 288 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,480 terrorized the offensive line and the running backs that we're 289 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,600 supposed to be in to block. And I mean, you just go back and 290 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,080 just look at some of the highlights of, of the the 291 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,920 attempts to block on the sacks and the hurries that occurred. 292 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,320 They just could not get over in enough time to stop what Ohio 293 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,680 State was trying to do. And I think there's, there's 294 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,040 some interesting things to to take from all of that. 295 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,080 I mean, Ohio State ended the game with five sacks and eight 296 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,240 tackles for loss. And this is where the dividing 297 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,160 line between like the top five or six teams from a talent 298 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,800 perspective in the country and the rest of the teams, that 299 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,000 that's where it really lies. It's like, do you have that type 300 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,640 of NFL caliber speed and athletic ability? 301 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:47,080 And if you don't, you got to have a way to undercut the 302 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,480 effectiveness of that talent as it's going against you. 303 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,600 And I think that was probably, for me, at least on the 304 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,000 offensive side, the most disappointing thing where, you 305 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:00,600 know, Rourke was in so much trouble so often because he 306 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,200 wasn't able to get the ball out to receivers quickly because the 307 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,560 receivers weren't ready. You know, there was very little 308 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,480 short developing play in terms of the passing game there. 309 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,080 I didn't see screens. I didn't see little dump offs in 310 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,640 the middle of the field over where the people were coming on 311 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,960 the blitzes. And yes, Ohio State was doing a 312 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,280 good job of disguising where those were coming from and where 313 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,200 they were going. But every pass play felt like it 314 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,360 took forever to develop. And it, and this is again, it's 315 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,960 where I think Indiana kind of got suckered into doing that 316 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,280 because they had that time because there weren't blitzes 317 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,840 coming on the 1st offensive drive that they had. 318 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,400 And then Rook was making all of those throws across the middle 319 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,640 and the 7-8 yard. And then those were gone. 320 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,320 Like those took too long to develop. 321 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,440 And and so that leads to, you know, it's interesting because 322 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Indiana obviously looked terrible in terms of their 323 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,160 offense. I think they what they ended up 324 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,080 with 150 some yards, 153 total yards. 325 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440 They ended up with 85 rushing yards. 326 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,680 But it's deceptive because Tyson Lawton, 15 carries, 79 yards, a 327 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,440 5.3 yards per carry average and two touchdowns. 328 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,720 Justice Ellison, 17 carries, 62 yards, 3.6 yards per. 329 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,400 That's not as good, but that's still pretty good. 330 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,280 But Indiana only had 85 yards rushing because James Evans lost 331 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,640 23 yards on the punt drop and Curtis Rourke lost 33 yards 332 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,480 between the sacks and, and the fumble that he had and whatnot. 333 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:29,160 And so that's that's the kind of thing that skews your perception 334 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,200 of, of what Indiana was doing. Indiana probably should have 335 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,800 really just focused on the run, should have used more draws, 336 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,440 should have used a lot shorter passing plays. 337 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,200 And it was very frustrating in the moment. 338 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,400 Like, why weren't they making those adjustments? 339 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,400 Why weren't they figuring out like, how do we get the ball out 340 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,280 of Rourke's hands as quickly as possible? 341 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,880 They, they, they went away from the RP OS, you know, they, they 342 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,320 just didn't have any time, but they didn't do anything to give 343 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,720 themselves time. And look, I, I have a hard time 344 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,320 being overly critical. I think it's more of an 345 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,280 observation than a criticism. Yes, I, I, I'm critical in that. 346 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,000 I think they should have made those adjustments or tried to, 347 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,080 but as as one of the folks in the the chat pointed out, like 348 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,320 the offensive line couldn't hear to communicate with each other. 349 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,520 That was from indie nation and we only heard that in the post 350 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,200 game. Like, you know, Signetti saying 351 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,320 that Catic couldn't hear in there and they couldn't make 352 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,640 changes in what they were doing. Well, and this goes back to what 353 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,160 we talked about in our pregame podcast, like this is the where 354 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,400 the environment hurts you. If it's that loud that your 355 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,760 offensive line can't hear and you don't have a way to adjust 356 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,960 to that, it creates a lot of problems. 357 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,800 And so I'm, I don't blame Indiana for not being able to 358 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,360 manage that, given that they hadn't been in this situation 359 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,680 before. The players, you know, including 360 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,680 the transfers, they've never played in an environment like 361 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,840 that before. They hadn't heard that kind of 362 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,000 noise. And so but you know, so now they 363 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,160 have. And we know that hopefully 364 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,000 they'll learn things from that and get better. 365 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,000 But it was just a shame because I feel like they probably should 366 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000 have anticipated all of that a little bit more. 367 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,400 When you saw what Michigan did in the second-half against 368 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,800 Indiana to make life so miserable for their passing 369 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,800 game, You you probably should have assumed that Jim Knowles 370 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,920 was going to look at that and say, OK, we've actually got the 371 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,120 ability to put more pressure on work and more pressure on their 372 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,160 offensive line. We're going to go out and do 373 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,080 that. And so that it's a lesson 374 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,160 learned, I guess. But it's disappointing to learn 375 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,960 it with that much of a deficit. And and that's, that's just kind 376 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,840 of one of those things where you just shrug your shoulders and 377 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,040 say, well, I there's not a lot else you can say about it. 378 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,840 Yeah. I mean, the, the other thing 379 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,200 that I would say, and, and we talked about this in a preview, 380 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,000 we talked about it a couple times throughout the year. 381 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,480 I think it's just, you know, a, a feature of this offense. 382 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,640 Has it, it's been a fantastic offense, but it's not an offense 383 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,600 that has explosive plays. So it's not an offense based on, 384 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,440 you know, 81180 yard play or 170 yard play here. 385 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,720 They're normally, you know, longer drives. 386 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,600 What I mean by that is that when you saw it against Michigan, you 387 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,640 saw it against Ohio State. You know, if you, if one or two 388 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,360 plays in a drive don't work, you're not having the first down 389 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:05,040 play breaking for 60 yards. Suddenly you can get into second 390 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,560 long and 3rd, 3rd and seven situations very quickly where 391 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,520 suddenly the pressure builds up and, and part of it is Ohio 392 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,120 State being good. But in the second-half, you 393 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:17,360 know, 123, you know, 4 the last drive doesn't really count, but 394 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,600 four of the six drives were three and outs. 395 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,600 And I, I just think, you know, based on an offense that doesn't 396 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,080 break a lot of 5060 yard pass. Run plays that's that's based on 397 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,720 more 7 to 15 yard plays. You know, if you do a running 398 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,960 play in the first, you know, first down run play, it's like 399 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,120 third, you know, first, sorry, second and seven. 400 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,560 That's not bad, but then if the pass isn't there or you get a 401 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,640 blitz, suddenly now it's third, third and eight or third and 402 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,520 11:00. It's like just you're you're you 403 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,520 feel like we were way more on our back foot where a lot of 404 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,160 times our offense throughout the year it it does feel like it's a 405 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280 little more front facing, you know, front foot, even though 406 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,960 it's not in those big plays just because it's kind of came in 407 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,720 moving and moving and moving. But when you don't have those, 408 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,720 suddenly you can get in these third down situations where it 409 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,400 it just did feel like they didn't have the answers. 410 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Based on the fact that the the Ohio State, the way Ohio State 411 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,960 was blitzing, yeah. And then, you know, you compound 412 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,880 the problem with the mistakes and obviously the glaring 413 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,440 mistakes, the two of them that that took this from, you know, 414 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,600 what would have been a a disappointing loss, but a close 415 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,200 loss and, and turned it into what it was taking the sacks 416 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,920 aside, where of course the James Evans dropped punt snap that led 417 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,120 immediately to a touchdown. And then of course, the, the, 418 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,680 the, the kick return there or the punt return from Caleb 419 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,640 Downs, the that that the 79 yarder that led to the 420 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,120 touchdown. That really kind of broke the 421 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:42,720 game completely. You know, with those, the one 422 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,400 thing we talked a lot about the weather, we talked about it 423 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,440 being colder, we talked about wind. 424 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,680 I was watching the forecast like a hawk. 425 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,880 The one thing that really didn't look like was going to happen 426 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,560 was it was going to get wet. You know, there was a minimal 427 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,840 chance of precipitation. And then again, I was watching 428 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,000 this for three days, four days, every six hours to 12 hours. 429 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,040 I was looking at the forecast. I was out tailgating before the 430 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,280 game. I got to the tailgate spot on 431 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,640 top of the parking garage across the street from the stadium at 432 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,840 7:00 in the morning. It was windy, but there was no 433 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,400 rain. I was out walking around the 434 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,400 stadium at 10:30, 10-45, you know, about an hour and a half 435 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,680 before kick. There was no rain. 436 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,360 I sat down in my seat. I was there for basically the 437 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,440 entire hour leading in. There was no rain. 438 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,200 And then about, I want to say it was right towards the end of 439 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,880 Indiana, long touchdown, Dr. You started to get a little bit of a 440 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,240 mist and that mist continued to grow. 441 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,560 And it got to the point that by the middle of the second 442 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,560 quarter, I think I tweeted this, like it was almost like that 443 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,480 borderline between mist and rain. 444 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Like it wasn't steadily raining, but there was so much wetness in 445 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,240 the atmosphere and it was coming down on you that it was 446 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,960 essentially like rain. And James Evans, who's been a 447 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,760 dynamite punter for Indiana, just just fundamentally made a 448 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,120 mistake and that he didn't hang on to his towel long enough, 449 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,880 didn't wear gloves and couldn't hang on to the ball when it was 450 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,880 snapped to him. And I actually also think to 451 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,760 some degree that the the wetness that was out there started to 452 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,440 affect Indiana's footing on the offensive line and their their 453 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,000 their confidence in their ability to plant and move and do 454 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,680 the things that they did. And Ohio State had a big 455 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,680 advantage there because Ohio State, because they were sending 456 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,600 fast, angry, athletic people, they were able to do it straight 457 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,560 downhill often times. And Indiana having to move and 458 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,000 having to try to get in the way, couldn't adjust. 459 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,920 That's just one of those divine intervention things, like it 460 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,080 didn't rain in the second-half. So you can't say that that was 461 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,320 the excuse for the whole game. But in that critical period of 462 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,920 time in the second quarter when it got really wet, it got wet at 463 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,240 like the exact wrong time for Indiana. 464 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,200 And it LED directly to the mistakes that they made. 465 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,760 And it's just unfortunate because it's like, you know, 466 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,880 it's one of those what ifs, like if it doesn't happen, you know, 467 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,000 'cause the wind ended up not being that big of a factor. 468 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,840 But if that doesn't happen, Evans probably doesn't drop the 469 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,520 punt. A bunch of other things don't 470 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,880 happen. Maybe there's a couple of fewer 471 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,960 sacks. Maybe you're looking at a 472 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,160 different game in the second-half. 473 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200 I still think Ohio State wins. I see. 474 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,120 I, I still think Ohio State was the superior physical team. 475 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,920 They were the better coach team. They were the team that looked 476 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,760 like they've been there before and they look like the team that 477 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,240 had a point to prove. But you know, it it took again, 478 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,320 a game that could have been like 2115 or 27 to 15 and made it 479 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,920 3815. And you know, that's the brakes. 480 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840 That's how it goes. And and certainly the statistics 481 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,280 show Ohio State won the game overall. 482 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,760 But it is kind of interesting to think about. 483 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,920 Yeah, I I agree with everything you you said, so I'm not going 484 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,360 to belabor that point. The thing that I would say about 485 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:37,680 the mistakes. Are. 486 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,960 Are this that? And I don't want to sound like 487 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,240 I'm just, you know, carrying water for the coaching staff or 488 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,400 just being overly optimistic. But, you know, in years past, 489 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,160 you and I would get really frustrated with this stuff 490 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,640 because there were mistakes every week. 491 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,360 And a lot of time it would cause losses, you know, that there 492 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,120 would be a mistake here, a mistake there. 493 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,560 It's like, God, you know, if it wasn't, if it wasn't holding 494 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,080 penalties, it was your mistakes on offense or mistakes on the 495 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,080 special teams. This season has been basically 496 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,480 hallmarked by not a lot of mistakes and not a lot of 497 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,520 penalties and very crisp playing and being executing at a high 498 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,480 level. And so it's not awesome, but I 499 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,800 would say, you know, for James Evans, like, dude, you, you made 500 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,520 a mistake, like you, you had a bad play. 501 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,240 Everyone can do that on a season where there haven't been a lot 502 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,040 of mistakes or games where we're, you know, seeing mistakes 503 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,400 causing issues. I'm I I hate to kind of be so 504 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,680 blase about it, but just hey, it it's the brakes Like it it it 505 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,160 happens. They're college kids. 506 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,840 People are going to make mistakes. 507 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,560 The really positive way to look at it is, you know, again, we'll 508 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,320 talk more about the College Football Playoff, but this this 509 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,320 probably puts us in a spot where we're looking to to go to a road 510 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,680 game, not host a game. It's like you've now been in 511 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,600 this in this type of environment. 512 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,880 Now you know what you're going to expect. 513 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,120 Be ready for it in, you know, four or five weeks when it 514 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,080 happens again, understand the noise, understand some of the 515 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,520 pressure. But you know, I'm, I'm more 516 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,560 willing to do that same thing with special teams. 517 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,760 You know, let's not forget two weeks ago it was a special teams 518 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,640 punt return that helped break the Michigan game for us. 519 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,440 So again, you I, I don't want to just say, well, no, you know, no 520 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,200 harm, no foul on all this stuff. But you know, for a team that 521 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,520 has been so mistake free and, and really not seeming to be 522 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,200 flappable by any of the issues throughout the year, to have a 523 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,720 couple of mental lapses in a game that's pretty high stakes 524 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,080 and on the road and probably 1 of the tougher environments 525 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,080 you're going to play this year. I I'm willing to to let it 526 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,840 slide, hoping that they all become learning experiences that 527 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,880 we don't see again. Yeah, well, look, that's that's 528 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,960 absolutely right. And you know, there's a longer 529 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,080 tailed aspect of how you react to this game which we'll talk 530 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,000 about in a second. One of the couple of those I 531 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,160 wanted to really get to about the game itself. 532 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800 You know, one, Indiana only committed 3 penalties to the 533 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,680 whole game that you know, that that's Ohio State at 8 for 58 534 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,880 yards. Indiana only turned the ball 535 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,320 over once in this game and they, they turned Ohio State over. 536 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,720 So you ended up having a net zero. 537 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,200 You know, it just, Indiana just couldn't get their offense 538 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,600 going. And that to me, I do think that 539 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,720 there's some cause for concern. And we, you know, we talked 540 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,680 about this in the pregame. It's not just this game and it's 541 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,040 not even that, you know, it's like the Michigan game as well, 542 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,320 not even just the second-half, but the fact Indiana couldn't 543 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320 punch the ball in at the end of the first half and had to settle 544 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840 for a field goal. It's the first quarter of the 545 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,680 Michigan State game where the offense was was not in good 546 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,520 shape, didn't look like it was going to be able to do anything. 547 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,720 They obviously resurrected themselves pretty consistently 548 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,240 and and heavily in the last three quarters. 549 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,960 The offense has really not looked the same in terms of 550 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,120 effectiveness since Curtis Work went down with the injury and 551 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,600 it's. I was thinking the exact same 552 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,400 thing, like Michigan State kind of is a bit of an outlier just 553 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,960 based on the score, but you do this all seems to kind of come 554 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,160 back to that thumb injury against Nebraska. 555 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,120 And it's also interesting because the receivers have just 556 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,120 not been on target with their approaches. 557 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,360 Like there was, there were a couple of plays like Miles Price 558 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,680 had a drop on a ball that could have been a first down. 559 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,720 You know, Serrat I think had a drop. 560 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,640 There were a couple of other players that had drops. 561 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,640 The drops have become now an official issue with a capital I 562 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080 for Indiana. So much of this offense when it 563 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320 was clicking was based upon those guys making those plays. 564 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,520 Indiana obviously only completed 8 passes in this game, which 565 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,440 meant only four players caught balls. 566 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,360 Indiana Indiana's used to having eight players catch balls, not 8 567 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,280 balls caught over the course of the game. 568 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,080 So, you know, the, we talked a lot about we really were 569 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,560 confident in Indiana's ability to game plan for this game 570 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,680 because they're going to have two weeks to prepare. 571 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,000 They're going to watch a ton of film. 572 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520 They're going to be able to come up with cool and interesting 573 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600 things that were going to cause problems for Ohio State's 574 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,480 defense. And I think that's what 575 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,280 everybody who thought this was going to be a good game on the 576 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560 national level was anticipating. It's like, OK, Indiana's shown 577 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,920 they belong and and deserve to play in a game like this. 578 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Indiana's probably going to cook something up. 579 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,840 It's going to be interesting. And that was just outside of 580 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080 that first drive, which was a scripted Dr. That just wasn't 581 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,800 what happened. Now, that doesn't mean Indiana 582 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,440 can't do it against other teams. And again, I I just don't know 583 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,000 how many teams in the Big 10 would have gone in to Ohio 584 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,440 Stadium and beaten Ohio State. You do have to say like Nebraska 585 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,920 went in and and played a really good game against Ohio State. 586 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,120 And I would actually argue that without the special teams 587 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,920 miscues, this game ends up looking a lot like that game 588 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,080 because that game ended 2117. And I, you know, we've already 589 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600 talked about like you could either say Indiana allowed 590 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,320 seventeen offensive points or 24 offensive points, depending on 591 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,080 how you want to count that final touchdown. 592 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,080 And again, what lets Indiana down in this one isn't the 593 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,280 defense at the it's the offense. But that was the game Indiana 594 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,120 ultimately needed to play. They needed to run the ball a 595 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,360 lot more and better. It just didn't happen. 596 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,120 I just don't know who's going into Ohio Stadium and beating 597 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,560 Ohio State this year. I don't think Oregon could have 598 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,240 done it. I don't think anybody else on 599 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,440 their schedule could have done it. 600 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,080 And This is why most teams don't go into Ohio Stadium and win. 601 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,440 It's a very rare thing. And you have to have a really, 602 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320 really good performance in all three phases in order to pull it 603 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,080 off. And it didn't happen this time. 604 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,800 It's it's, again, it's not, it doesn't ruin the season or 605 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,960 anything. It's disappointing because I 606 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,680 think most of us felt like Indiana was just going to 607 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,000 perform better in this game than they did. 608 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,880 But when you step back and think about it and think about the 609 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,040 context of it and where they were playing and who they were 610 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080 playing against and the level of talent there, it just was a step 611 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,720 too far for this Indiana team at this moment in time. 612 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,720 Yeah, and they're, they're also just like bad sequencing of 613 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,960 stuff. Like I think it was, you know, 614 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Rourke had the fumble and then I think the next, the the next set 615 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000 of downs was when we got the interception. 616 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,400 But but it's, you know, it's so like you can't play like what 617 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,600 happens? The fumble doesn't like if you 618 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,280 don't have the fumble and maybe that drive goes a little bit and 619 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,120 then you're able to get the interception and do something 620 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,480 with that. You know, like we did the right 621 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,840 things. Just kind of it also happened 622 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,120 with some of our mistakes as well. 623 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,320 And this is, you know, this is where I do temper my myself a 624 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480 little bit. Like we were we were riding high 625 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,280 and we had very high expectations. 626 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,160 But never in any year have I ever gone into a season thinking 627 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,000 we're going to go win at Ohio State. 628 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520 We're we're are we're going to beat Ohio State period, let 629 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,600 alone in the horseshoe. And there, there was definitely 630 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,040 moments, even unlike Michigan, where I, I think one, one of the 631 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,400 receivers for Ohio State was really well guarded both front 632 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,160 and back. And he just jumped up and just 633 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240 kept going up and got the ball. And it's like, all right, well, 634 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,360 that's just an athletic play that I, I don't know how you 635 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280 stop. And you saw that multiple times, 636 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200 especially with their, they're blitzing where guys would just 637 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,680 blitz with unbelievable speed. And it's like, I don't know how 638 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,280 you're supposed to stop this. And by the way, I'm not sure how 639 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280 a lot of teams stop it. And that's why they're blitzing 640 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,920 a lot of teams. So yeah, it's it's not awesome. 641 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,040 I would have loved to have seen a little bit more poison, maybe 642 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,280 a little bit more, I don't know how to say this the right way, 643 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,920 but a little more fighting back, you know, like there was that I 644 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,360 think in the third quarter. And I think it was also just to 645 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,760 not let the game get completely out of hand. 646 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,920 But it's like 4th and 11:00 and we punt, which felt very 647 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400 unsignity like, and, and the way the offense was kind of running, 648 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,840 it felt a little bit like, all right, man, let's just, let's 649 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,240 try and get out of here without getting, you know, our ass out 650 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,840 too hard. And it, I, it, it just sucked to 651 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,640 feel that because we've been there before and it, it, it kind 652 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,880 of goes against the ethos of this team and kind of the, the 653 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,600 attitude they had. But you know, it is what it is. 654 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,560 And this is the first time you're playing this level of 655 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,120 talent on the road in a place like this and to be expected, 656 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200 you know, things didn't go right. 657 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840 You know, the the game started exactly the way you wanted to up 658 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,400 until you had that that 4th down stop. 659 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,120 And then you let a couple of mistakes come in and then Ohio 660 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,520 State didn't have mistakes and they, just like we have let our 661 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,360 offense kind of lean on teams and just beat them down by 662 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,080 scoring and scoring and scoring. It felt like Ohio State used 663 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,560 their athleticism and just superior kind of individual 664 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,160 talent to lean on us and put us in places where we just really 665 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,240 felt uncomfortable. Yeah, I mean, look, ultimately 666 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,800 you look at the how many times has Ohio State lost at home 667 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,160 since 2016? Three, three. 668 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,520 You know, they they lost to Michigan at home in 2022. 669 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,280 They lost to Oklahoma at home or Oregon at home in 2021 and they 670 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280 lost to Oklahoma at home in 2017. 671 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,720 That's it. And so you know, that's one big 672 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,160 10 team out of that entire stretch, which is Michigan. 673 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560 Oregon was not in the big 10 in 20211 Big 10 team and that whole 674 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,920 time has gone in there. So look, you, you had hope 675 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,600 Indiana was going to be able to break that streak and pull off 676 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,040 something special. It didn't happen. 677 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,040 So now you just got to re evaluate, you know, what to take 678 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,600 out of it. And, and again, look, I just, I 679 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,800 have a hard time being overly critical to the players in this 680 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,320 circumstance. You know, I think the coaching 681 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,760 staff does deserve a little bit of criticism just because there 682 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,440 didn't seem to be a Plan B when Plan A wasn't working. 683 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,400 And I think that that's a fair criticism. 684 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,159 But it's also you're trying to come up with a Plan B against an 685 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,440 Ohio State team that is very hard to have even an effective 686 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,120 Plan A against. So again, we knew that there 687 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,760 were talent disparities. We were hoping the coaching 688 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,360 disparity or the the coaching matchup might mitigate that a 689 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,280 little bit. Didn't happen. 690 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,679 You you pick yourself up. I do think it sets up some 691 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,159 interesting things for next week as far as what Indiana's going 692 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,280 to have to do. But we'll talk about that, you 693 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,239 know, in just a second. Anything else I guess from the 694 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,800 game itself worth noting as far as you're concerned? 695 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,239 No, I mean, I, I again, we, we talked on it. 696 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,159 Just want to hit it again that it's, you know, I'm I'm starting 697 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,280 to wonder more and more about this Rourke injury and just, you 698 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,120 know, I think he's as healthy as he's going to be, but just how 699 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,040 much effect is this putting on his ability to throw? 700 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,600 And, you know, maybe just just how much it hurts, but no, it it 701 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,600 you you have to mentally parse out the College Football Playoff 702 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,920 implications from the game alone. 703 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,440 And it it's very hard to do. And I have a hard time doing it, 704 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,240 even discussing it, because then you start kind of getting 705 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,360 defensive about, you know, well, why do we have to show that we 706 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,320 have to do this, you know, get style style points and do we do 707 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,280 enough to make it look good as a what kind of a it's like all of 708 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,640 that is a different conversation. 709 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,400 It's just this is a game. This is the season you've had a 710 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,440 you, you had a great season. You are continuing to have a 711 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,000 great season. Just because we can't win at 712 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,920 Ohio State doesn't mean we haven't had a good season. 713 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,840 And by the way, that's that's really never been the barometer 714 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,320 ever since you and I have been doing this podcast and probably 715 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,400 for the rest of the time we're doing this podcast. 716 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,280 I don't really foresee a football season that we go into 717 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,360 it where we say we have to win at Ohio State to make this 718 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,840 season a success no matter what else happens. 719 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,200 And we've had years where Ohio State was on sanctions and they 720 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,960 had a bunch of problems and and never, ever have, you know, 721 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,880 Michigan and Ohio State kind of loom in a different category. 722 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,200 I would say even outside of Penn State, where I just I don't 723 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,920 think there's a realistic world where you can be unhappy losing 724 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,000 to those teams in their stadiums. 725 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,440 Really any year You can be annoyed and it can be a close 726 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,640 game. It's like, damn it, we let it 727 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,920 slip away. But you have to take a step back 728 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,560 as an Indiana fan. And and this is where I think a 729 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,280 lot of the national media probably doesn't understand this 730 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,880 feeling of just, you know, this is this is a really a, a bridge. 731 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600 I don't say a bridge too far, but it is really a high bridge 732 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080 to fall. And just the idea that never, 733 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,040 ever do we go into a year thinking we need to to get this 734 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,480 game. Yeah. 735 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,820 So you've got some time here as you come out of this game to re 736 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:53,800 evaluate and you've got an interesting week this week. 737 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,320 And I think a week that is going to, there's a lot going on this 738 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,120 week with Indiana and with college football that I'm, I'm 739 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,840 really fascinated to see how it plays out. 740 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,080 You know, the, the best case scenario for Indiana, if you 741 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,600 assume that a win was off the table, which it, which it, I 742 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,200 think by the middle of the third quarter, it's like, it was like, 743 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,280 OK, can you limit the damage? And going back to what you said 744 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,080 with that significant decision to punt, I in the moment, I was 745 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,200 like, OK, this I, I actually like this strategy because 746 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,440 mitigation of damage has to be the answer, which I just wish 747 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,400 they hadn't gone for the onside kick at the end because man, I, 748 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,160 I, I sat there and I thought when they scored that touchdown 749 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,360 and got the two point conversion, I was like, wow, 31 750 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,440 to 15 doesn't look that bad. It really doesn't, especially 751 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,640 with the way that the game went. And then of course, they, you 752 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,760 know, not only do they do the onside kick that goes out of 753 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,600 bounds, but then they let the big run in. 754 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,080 And of course, Ohio State, who you, you can't go and say Ohio 755 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,920 State sucks and then not expect them to, you know, score a 756 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,560 touchdown in your face at the death. 757 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,240 You you're although I do love the running back, like you know, 758 00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:01,040 I know fighting to not do it and then it's like, but like that's 759 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,960 great and then you know Ryan day is going to punch it in and Ryan 760 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,280 Day even can't even. Just do a hand off to the same 761 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,600 running back to let him still. That was that was that was a 762 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,200 Dick move on his part. I guess. 763 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,720 Don't be nice. You're not getting this 764 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,720 touchdown. And by the way, I I'm sitting 765 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,280 there watching the game with a bunch of my buddies. 766 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,360 The minute he slid they're like Ryan. 767 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,560 What's he doing? Ryan day still punching this in 768 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,440 like Ryan Day is a Dick and by the way, they should like I will 769 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,400 they do. Oh yes, you're playing with the 770 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,320 big boys. You've talked some shit like 771 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,840 you're you take all the lumps you have to and I have no issue 772 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,680 with Ryan Day punching that in, but you just have, you have to 773 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,880 know he's punching that in. Well, and look, Ohio State is is 774 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,360 looking for style points just like Indiana's looking for style 775 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,800 points. I don't blame them for that. 776 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,200 It's just Indiana shouldn't have given them the opportunity. 777 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,920 Yes, agreed. And that was that was a tactical 778 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,960 air. Again, that I think will be a 779 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,320 learning experience for Indiana as they they make those 780 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,080 decisions moving forward. You know, so the polls come out 781 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,000 and, and just to keep in mind, the polls are not the College 782 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,560 Football Playoff committee, but Indiana drops in the college 783 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,080 football or excuse me, in the AP poll from 5th to 10th. 784 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,960 I I don't like the fact that they dropped that far, losing at 785 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,640 the number two team in the country, but it is what it is. 786 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,760 And I'd be curious to see if they dropped that far in terms 787 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,720 of the committee rankings. I, I have a tendency to think 788 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,920 perhaps that they, they won't drop that far, at least I would 789 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,120 hope not because I don't think that the loss combined with the 790 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,520 teams that moved ahead of them necessarily warranted that. 791 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,560 But it is where it is. Indiana, you know, in this 792 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,840 calculus is certainly not as safe visually as you would think 793 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,680 that they might have been. But they are still, I think, a 794 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920 98% probability according to the College Football Playoff 795 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,680 simulator, which is essentially an algorithm that takes into 796 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,160 account the way that the committee has ranked teams over 797 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,280 the course of the last several years in the College Football 798 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,720 Playoff process. So, you know, Indiana didn't 799 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,200 drop as far as some people feared. 800 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,880 Like there were people talking about, oh, they might drop to 801 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,880 13th or 14th. They only dropped to 10th. 802 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,320 And they do get to play again. Before we talk about the College 803 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,640 Football Playoff stuff that we need to talk about the bucket 804 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,520 game, I am a little coming to say this right now. 805 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,000 And I don't think this is a hot take. 806 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,360 Maybe for some people it is. I'm a little concerned about the 807 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,840 bucket game right now. And here's why. 808 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,440 You know that that was an emotional game for Indiana. 809 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,720 They've they've kind of built up over two weeks. 810 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,520 They had they had a lot riding on the game. 811 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,680 They lose that game. Now you go into Thanksgiving 812 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,600 week and Thanksgiving week is always kind of screwed up. 813 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,520 You've got obviously Thanksgiving in the middle. 814 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,440 You've got an empty campus. You don't have classes. 815 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,520 So on the one hand, you can maybe do more. 816 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520 You, on the other hand, you, you, you might do less. 817 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,960 You're going to have a Purdue team that while they have been 818 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,480 real bad this year, has at least a couple of times decided to 819 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,640 play football. And it just happened this past 820 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,360 weekend where they were down against Michigan State. 821 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,680 They came back, they got that game to within seven. 822 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,360 They probably should have gone down the field and tied the game 823 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,160 if their receivers could catch anything. 824 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,280 And they've had a couple of other games like that, you know, 825 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,440 at home against Northwestern. They that was a 2620 game. 826 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,360 And of course, the game in October against Illinois, 50 to 827 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,760 49. I'm, I'm more concerned about 828 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,040 Indiana's mentality than I am Purdue coming in and like, you 829 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,880 know, giving a huge, like a big game performance. 830 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,240 But it's going to be a weird atmosphere. 831 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,760 You're not going to have students back because it's the 832 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,080 Saturday of Thanksgiving break. So the energy is going to be 833 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,320 different in the building. It's it's gonna be real cold. 834 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,080 Scott, I don't know. Have you looked at the weather 835 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,120 forecast for this game yet? It's gonna be like 35° or 32. 836 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,480 We're we're, we're gonna be lucky if it's that warm like 837 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,440 right now, you know. So this is this is going to be a 838 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,360 night kick. I think this is the first night 839 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,240 bucket game in all of the history of the series because 840 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,160 Rossay didn't have lights for many years. 841 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,200 And why would you have a a night bucket game? 842 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,160 Because most of the time it's not a very good game. 843 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:08,840 Right now, the the night forecast for this game is 22° 844 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:15,920 with a wind chill of nine. This is not conditions and, you 845 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,520 know, put the players aside. It's not conditions they're used 846 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,480 to playing in. This is not conditions that IU 847 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,680 fans are used to watching football games in. 848 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,800 And so I do worry about the energy in the building. 849 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,280 I do worry about Indiana with their confidence levels, like 850 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,000 they will certainly not face the same sort of physicality that 851 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,920 they faced against Michigan and Ohio State against Purdue. 852 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,960 But I do worry a little bit about, you know, will they be 853 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,280 able to bounce up and, and get the energy levels back that 854 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,040 they've had that they had against Nebraska, that they had 855 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,880 against Washington. So much of that felt like the 856 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,320 crowd feeding the team. I do worry without the crowd to 857 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,160 feed the team, what does it look like? 858 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,960 And, and can I, you can Kurt Signetti can can we as 859 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,720 podcasters and can the Twitterverse? 860 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,240 Can you can we get the crowd fired up and get excited about 861 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,840 going out and standing in in sub freezing conditions for three 862 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,520 hours? I hope so. 863 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,200 I would think so, but I do think it's something to keep in mind, 864 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,680 You know, you know, David Martin noting or or saying here IU will 865 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,560 be up for Purdue game. Sig will make sure of that. 866 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,680 I hope so. And this is where Signetti and 867 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,920 his staff are going to have a lot of work to do this week 868 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,720 because it's not just the the loss against Ohio State and, you 869 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,080 know, maybe that generates some pride in the team. 870 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,440 It's like we're going to really punch back. 871 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,800 But it's also, it's so hard to take Purdue seriously. 872 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,000 They're one in 10. They've looked awful for most of 873 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480 the season, but we have seen that they can occasionally 874 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,280 score, they can occasionally make plays. 875 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,400 Maybe I'm worried about nothing, but I just think that it's 876 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,320 something we need to note because Indiana has to blow out 877 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,680 Purdue. They're either a 26 or 28 point 878 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,320 favorite in this game. They need as many style points 879 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,440 as they possibly can get because that'll be the last thing that 880 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,560 people see, if that'll be the last thing the committee sees of 881 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,480 them. And, and whether or not IU fans 882 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,360 want to admit it, the committee is going to be looking a little 883 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,520 bit sideways at Indiana because again, like I said, over the 884 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,520 last six quarters, you've scored 18 points total. 885 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,920 You need to be able to demonstrate that you can go back 886 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,440 to the ways that you were playing before where you were 887 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,480 just obliterating opponents and you were leaving no doubt about 888 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,320 who the better team was. I, in my heart, believe Indiana 889 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,920 can do that. But I do think it's something 890 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,960 that people should be at least cognizant of and maybe a little 891 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,960 bit curious about how Indiana responds in this game. 892 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,080 I think you bring up all really good points and, you know, even 893 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,080 more concerning is, as we've said a couple of times, I think 894 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,440 right now our defense is playing the best on, you know, the best 895 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,920 side of the ball. So I can see a situation where 896 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,640 our offense is struggling and maybe it's a 7 three-game or 897 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,840 like a 14, six game. And we're playing really well 898 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,040 and our defense is kind of holding Purdue to, you know, 899 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,880 three, you know, 3 points and just not a lot. 900 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,160 You know, they can't do much, but we have 7 or 10 points. 901 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,880 It's like you're always, you know, if our offense is 902 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,040 struggling. And don't forget, you know, for 903 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,320 as great as our offense has been, there have been moments, 904 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,040 you know, we started the Maryland game with back-to-back 905 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,520 interceptions, you know, did not obviously start well against 906 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,440 Michigan State. And I wonder the psyche of this 907 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,640 team, you know, I, I, I have full faith the coaching staff is 908 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,480 going to get them in the right mindset and get them in a good 909 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,680 spot. But even in games we played 910 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,640 well, like Maryland again, if they come out and just throw two 911 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,320 straight picks to Purdue and then it's like, Oh my God, not 912 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,160 you know, everything you said is true. 913 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480 We got to have some style. You can't win this game by two 914 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,080 or three points. Although I, I will say, and you 915 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,480 know, it's like, OK, but Penn State can I guess Penn State's 916 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,400 allowed to just win by one against anyway. 917 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,840 I know, I know, I know. But let's just, you know, 918 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,280 pretend that scenario of the Maryland game where you know, 919 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,040 work comes out and throws an interception and Purdue gets a 920 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,440 touchdown and suddenly you're down 7. 921 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,960 Nothing. It's like, shoot, man, we, we 922 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,720 got it now we got to get 35 unanswered points because we got 923 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,160 to win by 28. You know, you can start getting 924 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,480 that in your mind and suddenly you're starting to try and blow 925 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,320 A-Team out in the first quarter when you got to just really 926 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,040 grind it and get it done. So I, I'm also a little bit 927 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,800 concerned. I don't, I'm not fear, I'm not 928 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,400 fearing we're going to lose the game. 929 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,440 But I I do wonder if if right now where this team is AT and 930 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,560 some of the offensive struggles, if we're going to be able to 931 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,280 blitz somebody like we have in the past, like Nebraska or like 932 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,640 Washington. And I even worry too, you know, 933 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,480 this is where the eye test and some of what unfortunately, the 934 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,040 way it's transpired and that the narrative is, you know, even if 935 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,840 it's a kind of like the Washington game, which I think 936 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,040 was, you know, like a a tied game at or the Maryland game. 937 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,640 You know, we're the tied game at halftime. 938 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,800 Or, you know, if we're up 21 to 7 and just looks like that's a, 939 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,840 you know, nip and tuck game. And then we end up winning by, 940 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,880 you know, two or three touchdowns when they come late 941 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,800 at the end. I wonder if that is also not 942 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,440 good enough. It's like, you know, we're we're 943 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,840 really in we got to control a really good narrative and it 944 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,560 would be great just to go up 28 to nothing and people see that. 945 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,440 And then even if the final score is 3514, it's like, wow, they 946 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,520 kick the shit out of them. And then, you know, then things 947 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,640 happen at the end versus if it's a 1414 game at half and that 948 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,640 game ends 3514 with a win. It's So those are all things 949 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,280 that are circling in my mind as well. 950 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,520 Like you really got to come out with a good start and and leave 951 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,200 Purdue no doubt of hey, man, you guys are not going to get to 952 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,160 blow our season up Like this is not going to happen this year. 953 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,960 Yeah, it's. Again, and you know, Indiana is 954 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,560 so demonstrably superior to Purdue, Signetti is going to 955 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,040 have a point to prove. You know, Signetti will get them 956 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,800 ready for the game. I just want to, I just think 957 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,080 it's something to keep an eye on. 958 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,120 And if Indiana starts slow, I just, I really do wonder what 959 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,000 the energy is going to be like. The students have been so 960 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,480 important to the energy in that building. 961 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,800 I don't know how many are there aren't going to be that many 962 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,000 here. Like most of them left Thursday 963 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,680 or Friday of last week to go home for Thanksgiving break. 964 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,960 Most of them probably are they scheduled their flights months 965 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,440 ago, you know, or they've got plans or whatever. 966 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,400 I don't know how many of them are driving back, even the local 967 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,640 ones to go stand in 25° weather. That's that is going to. 968 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,800 So I don't know what the solution is there. 969 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,200 It's going to be fascinating to see. 970 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,720 And this is where, again, it's the long transition to being a a 971 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:17,080 quasi northern college football team. 972 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,960 There are places like Wisconsin or, you know, Penn State that 973 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,640 kind of embrace going and standing in the cold. 974 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,680 I don't know if Indiana's quite there yet. 975 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,280 So we'll have to see. We'll see what happens. 976 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,560 I'm I just I think it's something to put on the radar. 977 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,240 So let's let's kind of pivot a little bit now, Scott and talk 978 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,760 about, OK, where is Indiana at in the big scheme of things? 979 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,640 I'm going to call up and and share my screen here because I 980 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,400 wanted to walk everybody through wherever where Indiana's at in 981 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,280 the FPI and how their playoff chances look. 982 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,040 So let me get that called up for those of you that are watching 983 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960 live or watching on on the YouTube. 984 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,160 So you can see Indiana, I'm going to Scroll down here so you 985 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,360 can see a little bit better. So Indiana right now, 11th and 986 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,640 FPI, they are a 97.4% chance to beat Purdue. 987 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,520 They're a 97.7% chance to make the playoff. 988 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,240 If you look at Indiana's individual numbers, it's 989 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,320 interesting because Indiana's still 7th in strength of record. 990 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,400 They are 51st now in strength of schedule. 991 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,440 Scott, all of this worthless debate that we've had over the 992 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,400 last two weeks about strength of schedule and this shows why it's 993 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,960 such a crappy statistic. 1 opponent like Ohio State and it 994 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,960 essentially that you lose to and and your strength of schedule 995 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,320 gets cut in half from what it was before. 996 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,200 Indiana still 7th in game control. 997 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,960 Indiana still 4th in average win probability. 998 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,000 All of those metrics are still there and I'd like to note look 999 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,280 at Indiana strength the schedule now compared to some of the 1000 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,480 teams that are in the the debate. 1001 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:55,720 Oregon strength of schedule 52, Texas 36, Miami 59, SMU 77, 1002 00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,680 Notre Dame 78, Boise State 81, Arizona State 66. 1003 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,240 Even the vaunted like other teams that are kind of lodged up 1004 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,040 there, Penn State's only got to strength the schedule that 19 1005 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,840 spots better than Indiana at this point. 1006 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,240 You know, Tennessee's is, is 21. You know, they're they're in the 1007 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,880 same ballpark as all of these other teams and strength the 1008 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,240 schedule about all of this. And so that's really important 1009 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:22,920 to keep in mind because it just highlights again, how bad faith 1010 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,120 most of the arguments against Indiana have been over the 1011 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,480 course of the last couple of weeks. 1012 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,040 If you look at efficiencies, you know, Indiana's still 8th in the 1013 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,520 country overall. Their offense, even as bad as 1014 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,720 Indiana's offense played yesterday, their offense still 1015 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,600 ranks third in FPI offensive efficiency. 1016 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,400 Their defense is 25th. Special teams took a big hit, 1017 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,720 rightfully so. But this is still statistically, 1018 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,240 according to ESP NS own stats, a top ten team in terms of how 1019 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,200 they're playing. So, you know, when you think 1020 00:50:53,200 --> 00:51:00,120 about that, a lot of people looked at this, you know, this 1021 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,280 Ohio State game on the national level, it was like, oh, this is 1022 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,720 disqualifying. It's like it, it didn't really 1023 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,800 move the needle in terms of Indiana's overall body of work. 1024 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,480 All it did was improve their strength of schedule and give 1025 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,280 Indiana one of these vaunted quality losses that everybody 1026 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,680 else seems to have. So that that is kind of how I've 1027 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,560 decided to to take the game more than anything else. 1028 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:25,960 I think the worst thing you can do as an IU fan is get yourself 1029 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,760 in a position where you believe the narrative that somehow this 1030 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,040 game demonstrates that Indiana is not a good football team, 1031 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,400 because that's not what it did. It indicated that Indiana lost 1032 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,240 the game to Ohio State, which was always certainly a 1033 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,040 possibility. I think that that's, I think 1034 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,320 that's something that's worth thinking about as we move 1035 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,400 through this. Yeah, I, I, I agree with all of 1036 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,840 that. The thing that I would say that 1037 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,640 the things that are hurting us right now is it's just, it's 1038 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,800 narrative stuff. And sometimes I do wonder if 1039 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,920 like you get too close into it, like like you're, you're hitting 1040 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,520 a lot of agree with everything you're saying. 1041 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,680 I mean, a lot of stats is like, well, here's this, here's that, 1042 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,160 here's that. And like the strength of 1043 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,640 schedule stuff makes sense, but it's tough when it's like, you 1044 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,640 know, you're, you're 19 spots below Penn State, but it's like 1045 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,840 Penn State has a couple of, you know, better wins or even the 1046 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,600 Oregon, Oregon beat Ohio State. You know, the, the one, the 1047 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,800 Notre Dame 1 is a little more interesting. 1048 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,720 But you know, the, the, the thing that I all the stats were 1049 00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:28,840 there. The trouble is it's not just as 1050 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,560 you know, I'm telling you things, you know, but I'm just 1051 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,280 saying out loud, it's not like College Football Playoff is just 1052 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,880 done by stats. It's not just strength of 1053 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,280 schedule versus wins and losses. We make a formula and here it 1054 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,160 goes. There are people making these 1055 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,320 decisions and unfortunately narrative plays in. 1056 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,000 And what sucks for Indiana is, you know, like if you do, you 1057 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,880 know, negotiation tactics, you never want to anchor a number, 1058 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,640 which means it's the first number that gets thrown out 1059 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,040 there. Unfortunately, Indiana kind of 1060 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,960 got anchored with bad strength of schedule because it just was 1061 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,080 a bad number. You know, Penn State has kind of 1062 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,440 the same thing going, but they played Ohio State a couple weeks 1063 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,520 ago. So their bad loss cut their 1064 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,760 strength of schedule in half. So they're not in the bad 1065 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,160 strength of schedule. So even though ours got cut in 1066 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,760 half, people still have it anchored that like Indiana has a 1067 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,480 bad strength of schedule. So there's that narrative when 1068 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,320 our loss happened isn't awesome. Like Miami already got their 1069 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,800 loss out of the way. They kind of got dropped and 1070 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,960 they start moving up as other people are there. 1071 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,560 That's not helping us. And then, you know, it is just 1072 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,520 that, you know, the eye test against Ohio State. 1073 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,000 I, I agree with everything you said. 1074 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,640 I'm not trying to like play devil's advocate totally, But I 1075 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,040 do think there's, you know, you're playing for a College 1076 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,920 Football Playoff spot, you're playing for the national 1077 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,880 championship and you're trying to show we can compete with 1078 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,680 those those types of teams. And you were right on the 1079 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,720 borderline of showing you could compete. 1080 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,840 And so that that's going to be effective. 1081 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,440 Those are all things I think that are going against Indiana. 1082 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,440 I will look at it this way, though, and say, you know, I 1083 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,920 think what's helping us is I'm I think we're at the floor. 1084 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080 And So what I mean is that we were at 10. 1085 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,080 We'll have to see where we come in the College Football Playoff 1086 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,240 rankings, but I can't imagine we're any lower than 10 or 11 or 1087 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,320 12 would still put you in. But you look at the teams that 1088 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,600 are below us. You have Boise State, which is 1089 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,280 10 and one, I don't think they're gonna jump, but there's 1090 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,720 no win that they're gonna have that's going to jump us. 1091 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,760 Clemson is 9 and two, they're not gonna jump us. 1092 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,320 I don't know, OK, I don't know if I totally agree with that. 1093 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,320 OK, so, so these so I think it's important to kind of of game 1094 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,320 out. OK, let's what you're looking at 1095 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,360 with this. So if you go down the list of of 1096 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,600 the, the, the, the, the playoff committee and what they've done 1097 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,600 so far and you think about what that means in terms of 1098 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,520 everything else that's going on. So let's go down the list. 1099 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:47,920 So Oregon was idle this week and they're going to stay at #1 Ohio 1100 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,120 State beats Indiana. They're, they're going to be #2 1101 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,760 Texas beats Kentucky, they're going to be #3 Penn State wins. 1102 00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,240 Because Minnesota never, never asked me to do anything for you 1103 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,120 again. Minnesota. 1104 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,400 OK, we're done. We're done. 1105 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,120 No, no, no. No more relationship between me 1106 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,120 and Minnesota. But you will not be rowing. 1107 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,640 The boat I will not be no I, no, I'm going to shoot a hole in the 1108 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,960 damn boat. But Penn State's going to stay 1109 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,600 at 4th. So Indiana loses. 1110 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,560 And if you think about, OK, what's the committee going to 1111 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:16,560 do? They're going to clearly move 1112 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,480 Notre Dame up. Notre Dame was very dominant 1113 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,560 against a, a frankly an Army team that was overrated. 1114 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,360 They they were overrated. They were not that good. 1115 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,880 They hadn't lost, but they weren't that good. 1116 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,960 But they're still going to move up. 1117 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,320 So that will put Notre Dame almost certainly in 5th. 1118 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,200 Alabama loses. Miami should not get that much 1119 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880 credit for winning at home versus Wake Forest, but they 1120 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,000 will probably move up into the 6th position. 1121 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,280 Ole Miss drops down, Ole Miss was 9th, Ole Miss loses, Ole 1122 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,920 Miss is is going to drop significantly I would imagine. 1123 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,560 Georgia probably moves up and gets to the 7th position. 1124 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,680 The question is going to be from the playoff committee's 1125 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,160 perspective. Playoff committee at Tennessee 1126 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,920 at 8:00 and 2:00 after a loss to Georgia. 1127 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,720 They had them 11th. They had them six spots further 1128 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:05,560 down than Indiana. Now the pollsters decided they 1129 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,160 were going to move Tennessee above Indiana, which is baffling 1130 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,000 to me, but whatever. I don't think the committee is 1131 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,160 going to move Indiana below Tennessee based on Indiana 1132 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,600 losing a game at Ohio State. If they do, I start to become a 1133 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,680 little bit concerned because that sets up a scenario where 1134 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,560 it's like, well, if they're what I mean, what was it that caused 1135 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,200 them to rank Indiana that high and Tennessee 6 spots lower that 1136 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,320 would have flipped to that degree? 1137 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,680 And I don't know the answer to that. 1138 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,760 The pollsters are overly reactionary that the media that 1139 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,120 that vote in it are overly reactionary. 1140 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,320 I'm hoping that the committee is a little more consistent and I'm 1141 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,880 hoping that what they've done is kind of dialed in a general idea 1142 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,200 of where they feel most of these teams are in the echelon. 1143 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,520 You go down below that, like Boise State's not going to move. 1144 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,120 They really struggled against Wyoming. 1145 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,600 SMU will come back to in a second, BYU lost, Texas A&M 1146 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,920 lost, Colorado lost. So essentially all those teams 1147 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,840 that you're talking about all the way down to teams 17 and 18 1148 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,800 lost their games, 19 lost its game, 21 was where Arizona, 1149 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,360 Arizona State's at. So that's kind of what I'm 1150 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,120 looking at as we go into this process and I don't know what 1151 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:28,920 are your thoughts. I, I, it's, I, I still think we 1152 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,720 have kind of a hard floor in that. 1153 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,120 I, I'm going to be very curious to see where we're at. 1154 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,120 Because if, if I, I, I like that Tennessee comp, I think it's, I 1155 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,320 think it's a really good comp. I think that if we fall past 10, 1156 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,280 I'm going to be really concerned because there's there's just not 1157 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,560 a lot of narrative time for us to get back up. 1158 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,360 So, you know, 'cause we're going to have the one game against 1159 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,960 Purdue, we're going to have to look really good against that. 1160 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,560 And then we're just going to be idle. 1161 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,320 And unfortunately, I think just the way the narrative played out 1162 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,080 for Indiana wasn't awesome. You know it it even though all 1163 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,680 of the stats you're saying are correct, I think for most people 1164 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400 it's like they played a weak, weak strength of schedule when 1165 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,360 they had a chance to show us they could do something they 1166 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,160 didn't. Right. 1167 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,280 As much as some of that isn't is unfair, I also think some of 1168 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,160 that is slightly legitimate and it just is the narrative and 1169 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,320 you're not going to change it because again, like you're 1170 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,920 saying, Miami's kind of like they everyone's forgot about 1171 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,600 Miami's loss. Like it still counts. 1172 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,400 It's still on the schedule, but there's just a when things 1173 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,640 happen matter. And unfortunately the, the order 1174 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,680 of operations hasn't been awesome for Indiana in this. 1175 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,800 And you know, you're fighting, you're fighting a real battle of 1176 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,720 this kind of we don't want out, you know, non blue bloods 1177 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,200 breaking into the blue blood party. 1178 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760 And it does feel like that is real. 1179 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,160 And it does feel like there's a world where you know, Indiana 1180 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,720 could be left out. And if you're going to do it, 1181 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,160 now is the time to rank them low enough. 1182 00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,480 Because if you put them at 8-9 or ten, I feel really 1183 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,160 comfortable because I don't think there's going to be 3 1184 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,400 teams that are jumping us with us getting to 11:00 and 1:00. 1185 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,920 But if you put us right on the bubble or outside the bubble 1186 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,160 now, I think there's a world where it's just tough for us to 1187 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,720 get back into it. Yeah, I mean, a lot of it 1188 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,280 depends on what they're going to do with some of these teams. 1189 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,240 I and I, I don't think anybody knows, you know, because you 1190 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,520 just got at some point you've got to, you got to think that 1191 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,880 the committee has backed themselves into a corner from a 1192 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,160 logic perspective with some of the the teams that they've 1193 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,720 they've decided to rank and how they've decided to approach 1194 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680 them. So to go to go back to something 1195 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,240 that you mentioned, you mentioned Clemson. 1196 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,880 So the the one concern that you have with Clemson and South 1197 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,200 Carolina is that they play each other in the last game of the 1198 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,920 season. Now Clemson currently is 17th in 1199 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,320 the CFP, South Carolina is 18th. One of those teams will get 1200 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,440 eliminated. Essentially, either Clemson will 1201 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,960 have 3 losses out of the ACC or South Carolina will have 4 1202 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,200 losses. Now I. 1203 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,160 How much Oct you put in the win I guess. 1204 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,160 Is your name and I don't, I fundamentally do not understand 1205 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,920 the effing obsession with South Carolina. 1206 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,640 Here's here's who South Carolina has beaten so far, Scott. 1207 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,280 They've beaten Old Dominion, Kentucky, LSU, which is not, 1208 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,000 excuse me, they lost to LSU. They lost to LSU at home. 1209 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,560 They beat Akron, They lost to Mississippi. 1210 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,120 They lost to Alabama. close game still lost. 1211 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,640 They wanted Oklahoma. They beat Texas A&M, which 1212 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:22,840 doesn't look that great right now. 1213 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,560 Right they lost at Vander excuse me, they won at Vanderbilt. 1214 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,040 They won against Missouri, who's how they're ranked is still 1215 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,640 beyond me and they beat Wofford. Those are their wins. 1216 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,680 It's like that is the the people arguing that they should be a 1217 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,520 ACFP contender with that record and three losses and three 1218 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,800 losses isn't even if they beat Clemson. 1219 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,320 That's insane. Clemson, for their part, you 1220 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,480 know, they've, they they lost to Georgia, 34 to three. 1221 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,600 They lost to Louisville, 33 to 21. 1222 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,800 Unranked Louisville. By the way, the Georgia game, 1223 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,240 that was at Clemson, too. No, it was a neutral sight game. 1224 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,920 It was in Atlanta. OK, sorry, sorry. 1225 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,320 But the rest of the rest of Clemson's wins. 1226 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,640 Here's the rest of Clemson's wins. 1227 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,480 Appalachian State, North Carolina State, Stanford. 1228 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,720 Florida State, Wake Forest, Virginia. 1229 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,800 Virginia Tech, Pitt who, whose, whose pits completely lost the 1230 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,360 plot and then they just beat the Citadel. 1231 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,640 What's the, what's the argument? Even if you beat South Carolina, 1232 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,800 South Carolina is a team that would have 4 losses at that 1233 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,040 point. What's the argument? 1234 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,200 These are the things that I'm hoping that the committee is 1235 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,000 more clear headed on than the polls have been in terms of how 1236 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,400 reactionary they are to stuff that's happening in the minute. 1237 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,280 Like I think the thing that's that's most fascinating to me is 1238 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,800 that the AP poll decided, you know what we're going to do? 1239 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,720 We're going to rank Miami and SMU ahead of Indiana after 1240 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,960 Indiana lost with the number two team in the country. 1241 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,680 Here's SM US wins, Scott, Nevada, Houston, Christian, TCU, 1242 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,880 Florida State, Louisville, Sanford, Duke, Pitt, Boston 1243 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,760 College in Virginia. That is, there's not a ranked 1244 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,840 team in that mix. That is an incredibly mid ACC. 1245 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,040 Go to Miami. Who has Miami beaten so far on 1246 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,320 the season? Their wins are Florida. 1247 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,680 Who's back now? That win looks better. 1248 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,280 That was a very bad Florida team at the beginning of the year. 1249 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,320 Florida A&M, Ball State, South Florida, Virginia Tech, Barely. 1250 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,840 Cal, Barely. Louisville, barely. 1251 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,560 Florida State, Duke and Wake Forest. 1252 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,520 There's there's there's no meat on that bone. 1253 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,720 So I'm hoping that what the committee ends up doing is 1254 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,560 perhaps the committee decides, all right, we're going to reward 1255 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:37,040 Miami for reasons that only have to do with their brand name and 1256 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,520 move them ahead of Indiana. But we're going to keep SMU down 1257 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,600 a little bit lower because what is SMU really done over the 1258 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,280 course of the season that's any different than what Indiana's 1259 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,800 done? And Indiana's only losses to the 1260 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,800 number two team in the country on their on their field, on, you 1261 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,440 know, on the road. So that to me becomes the big 1262 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,560 question, you know, and I, I agree with all that. 1263 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,520 The, the, the, the slight counterpoint would be, you know, 1264 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,120 as you're saying all of this, you could look at again, like 1265 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,560 being, you know, see the forest from the trees. 1266 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,040 It it does it, it's, you know, I'm just taking a step back. 1267 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,080 I'm not sure I totally even agree with this, but the idea 1268 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,680 it's like, all right, Miami's played a soft schedule, 1269 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,120 Indiana's played a soft schedule. 1270 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,760 You know, they both have one loss. 1271 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,280 And again, not, but like the narrative kind of became all 1272 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,480 right, Indiana, show us you're, you're willing to compete at 1273 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,200 this level and you just didn't do it. 1274 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,280 I agree. I'm not I don't think that's a 1275 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,560 fair argument. I don't think that's a fair, you 1276 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,760 know, standard to judge Indiana on. 1277 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,360 But I, I do see that narrative like did I, I do see where that 1278 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,840 narrative is like, let's just take a step back and, and stop 1279 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,880 parsing, you know, Akron versus that Illinois wins and just, you 1280 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,800 know, you're both soft schedules. 1281 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,080 You're both 10 and one, you both have losses that the trouble is 1282 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,840 Indiana kind of had this the the way things were set up for them, 1283 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,720 not because of the way they wanted it to just narrative wise 1284 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,520 was like, all right, man, here's a showcase. 1285 01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,560 Show us that you can compete. And you, you were right on the 1286 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,720 borderline of being in that of, of that competing level. 1287 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,040 I I'm. With you on that, I guess my 1288 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,360 what I'm saying though, is that the the committee is not the 1289 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,440 pollsters, yes, and and so everything you're saying about 1290 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,800 narrative is correct. But I do wonder with the I mean 1291 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,120 for whatever we want to say about the process, the fact of 1292 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,080 the matter is the committee decided Indiana was pretty high 1293 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,440 in the pecking order over the course of this last stretch. 1294 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,800 You know, the last, the last ranking the couch will playoff 1295 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,240 committee ranked Indiana 5th. Taking everything into account, 1296 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,040 they ranked them 5th and they ranked Miami 8th after a loss. 1297 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,520 They ranked SMU 13th after a loss. 1298 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,760 I don't know what the justification would be with all 1299 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,120 the power numbers with everything else for them to move 1300 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,240 Indiana below both Miami and SMU. 1301 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,200 I I'm really. Curious to see how they decide 1302 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,760 to handle that and this. Let me ask you this go on, when 1303 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,680 the rankings come out on Tuesday, let me flip this around 1304 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,600 on you. What ranking would you be 1305 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,120 obviously, like 5th would be awesome. 1306 01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,400 Like what ranking would you say? I'm very comfortable that 1307 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,440 Indiana is in a good, you know, assuming we're going to beat 1308 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,760 Penn State. I'm sorry, assuming we're going 1309 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,120 to beat Purdue at a good number so that, you know, take that out 1310 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,000 of the equation. What ranking are you like, I'm 1311 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,160 comfortable that we're going to be good to to finish this off of 1312 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,720 the win against Purdue. And what ranking are you like, 1313 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,040 Oh God, I I feel like we could be in a real danger not making 1314 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,600 it like what what are those numbers for you? 1315 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,800 So. I just, I've been trying to do 1316 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,840 the, the accounting here. Here's what I'm anticipating the 1317 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,480 committee may end up doing. And, and I there there's a 1318 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,840 couple of of switch offs here that may change things. 1319 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:39,440 I think if Indiana is 11th or 12th in this ranking, they're in 1320 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,600 real trouble. I anticipate Indiana's going to 1321 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,720 be 8th in the ranking, but I could see them being as high as 1322 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,240 6th or I could see them, you know, somewhere I somewhere 1323 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,840 between 6th and 9th. So if I look at it right now, 1324 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,600 I'm guessing the committee is going to go as follows. 1325 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,080 They're going to go Oregon one, Ohio State 2, Texas 3, Penn 1326 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:05,360 State 4, Notre Dame 5, Miami 6, Georgia 7, Indiana 8, Tennessee 1327 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:12,200 9, Boise State 10, SMU 11, Clemson 12, Alabama 13, South 1328 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,680 Carolina 14, and Arizona State 15. 1329 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,440 That's. So with that, that becomes very 1330 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,960 interesting because then you would have Clemson 12th in the 1331 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,240 in the ranking, but not in the playoff because Arizona State 1332 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,800 would be the fifth team, the 5th conference champion. 1333 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,600 They would be the 12 seed, but they would be ranked 15th. 1334 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,040 And then at that point, it's like, well, if Clemson wins, 1335 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,080 that's the one. That's the one scenario I get 1336 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,720 concerned about. Could the ACC get three teams in 1337 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,800 the playoff? What you're going to end up with 1338 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,680 almost certainly is. And then this is where the 1339 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,400 remaining games matter. OK, So you're going to end up in 1340 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,400 that last week. Texas has got to play Texas A&M. 1341 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,040 Whoever wins that game goes to the college football or goes to 1342 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,600 the SEC championship game to play Georgia, who clinched a 1343 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,640 spot yesterday. So all the tiebreakers are done. 1344 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,960 It is just Texas or Texas A&M going into that game. 1345 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,760 Now, I said yesterday on Twitter, hey, you know, thanks 1346 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,880 for playing A&M. Do us a favor and knock off 1347 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,320 Texas. Here's why I said that. 1348 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,640 The best way to get rid of Texas A&M out of this equation, even 1349 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,160 though they're largely gone already, but also damage Texas 1350 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,360 enough where you look at their schedule and say, wow, this is 1351 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,880 really weak, would be for A&M to beat Texas, deny them the chance 1352 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,800 to go to the SEC championship game, and then have Georgia Boat 1353 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,480 race Texas A&M, which would get them out of the rankings 1354 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,240 entirely. Would move Georgia up probably 1355 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,080 to #3 down, maybe under us, right? 1356 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,320 You know, look, I think Texas is going to make it regardless, but 1357 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,360 I'd like to just, you know, I just, I'm always, I'm a big fan 1358 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,520 of like just trying to knock teams out as we get into things 1359 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,160 as as much as possible. You know, Penn State is going to 1360 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,240 beat Maryland. Maryland, you want to talk about 1361 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,720 a worthless program right now? I mean, it's like, could you do 1362 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,640 something to help Indiana's strength of schedule? 1363 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,800 You have Iowa at home. Iowa can't score. 1364 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,080 You let them win. They score 29 points in that 1365 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,760 game. Like what? 1366 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,760 What the the the the Minnesota beating Penn State, which was 1367 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,760 very possible like that would have been so. 1368 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,279 Helpful. So helpful. 1369 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,760 When you when you go then down the list, there's some games 1370 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,279 that really are going to matter and be interesting. 1371 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,040 Notre Dame's got to go to LA and play USCUSC just clinched I 1372 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,479 think bowl eligibility yesterday. 1373 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:37,520 They come back and they beat UCLAI am not particularly sure 1374 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,160 that US CS got the juice to beat Notre Dame, but that would be 1375 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,560 nice. Notre Dame's out. 1376 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,560 OR OR Notre Dame drops below Indiana permanently. 1377 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,880 Miami obviously is going to play SMU. 1378 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,560 One of those teams is guaranteed another loss in the ACC title 1379 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,200 game, and I don't know that either team can necessarily 1380 01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:01,000 sustain a second loss in the ACC title game and maintain being in 1381 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,640 the playoff. Tennessee's got to go to 1382 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,920 Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt does not look great 1383 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,319 lately, but that is going. Vanderbilt is going to look at 1384 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,160 that and say we beat Alabama this year. 1385 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,640 If we could knock off Tennessee, this becomes one of the best 1386 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,640 seasons in program history. And Tennessee, as we know, is 1387 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,960 flawed, though they're a they a really good defensive team, an 1388 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,319 average offensive team, and they got to go to Nashville to play 1389 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,960 that game. You want Vanderbilt to win that 1390 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,439 game. If you're Indiana, Boise State, 1391 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,120 I don't know that it necessarily matters that much because at 1392 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,680 this stage, unless they fall apart, they are going to be the 1393 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,160 four seed because they are going to be that the next highest 1394 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,520 conference champion. We already talked about SMU. 1395 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,359 They've got to play in the ACC title game. 1396 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,279 So the other lingering question becomes Clemson versus South 1397 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,279 Carolina. I have a hard time actually 1398 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,080 seeing the committee saying, yeah, we're going to put South 1399 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,960 Carolina in the playoff. I could see the committee 1400 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,080 saying, gosh, we might want to put Clemson in the playoff. 1401 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,320 But I have a feeling that they would put Clemson in the playoff 1402 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,760 ahead of whoever lost in the ACC title game. 1403 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,160 Because I have a real hard time with, you know, saying, look at 1404 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,200 their schedules. Let's put three ACC teams. 1405 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,480 So. And then, of course, you go down 1406 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:12,160 the list. Alabama's pretty much done and 1407 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,640 Auburn win isn't going to help them. 1408 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,960 We already talked about South Carolina and then who, what, 1409 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,320 what, whatever the hell happens in the Big 12 at this point. 1410 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,080 You've got you've got Colorado who loses to Kansas, They're 1411 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,320 done. You've got Arizona State, you've 1412 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,600 got Iowa State. I don't know what the Big 12 1413 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,600 tiebreakers are. I haven't had a chance to take a 1414 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,160 look at it, but it sounds like fun bedtime reading. 1415 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,240 But whoever is going to come out of that is, is, you know, 1416 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,760 they're not going to have that quality of a win in the Big 12 1417 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,240 title game. And so I have a hard time seeing 1418 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:43,600 them even popping into the top 12. 1419 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,200 They'll still get in because they're guaranteed as the 5th 1420 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,080 conference champion to get in. So essentially Indiana has to be 1421 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,840 in the top 11 if they're going to be in the College Football 1422 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,560 Playoff. That's I. 1423 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,040 So I think they're fine. I and I and I think as long as 1424 01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,760 they have as they go out and beat Purdue handily and leave no 1425 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,960 doubt and look good, that's that's the that's the ticket. 1426 01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,320 That's the secret to things. And and so that that's why this 1427 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,760 game in this week is so important. 1428 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,640 So you're saying like under under, if they're 1011 or 12, 1429 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,240 you're concerned above that, you're fine. 1430 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,200 Yeah. So I think if they're 10, I have 1431 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:26,400 a hard time seeing a scenario where they would be in trouble 1432 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,560 on that front, but we'll have to see. 1433 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,680 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I do I agree with all that. 1434 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,240 I, I still feel comfortable. I, I'm going to be better on 1435 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,720 Tuesday night. You know, the, the 10th ranking 1436 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,960 is, is nerve racking. 8 would be great because then you know, 1437 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:47,560 there, then there's a world where, you know, depending on 1438 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,640 what happens, you might still have a shot at a home game. 1439 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,920 If you go down into that 9/10/11 range, you're, you're probably 1440 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,160 not going to have a home game and you're risking playing a 1441 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,320 game at Penn State or having another game against Ohio State, 1442 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,640 You know, depending on where, how the Big 10 playoff, how the 1443 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,280 Big 10 Championship goes. And, you know, I, I was thinking 1444 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,320 about this earlier, you would mention in one of your preview 1445 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,360 pods kind of the, the, the thing that I've talked about too is 1446 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,400 like this is you only, you only get to go up the mountain once. 1447 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,280 Like this is such a fun season 'cause you're doing it once. 1448 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,960 And the, the idea behind, you know, the, the, the Watford shot 1449 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,640 season, I think 1112 basketball season versus the 12/13 was 1450 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,560 actual expectations. And I agree with all that. 1451 01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,360 And again, this College Football Playoff stuff is, is wild to be 1452 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,400 talking about and kind of crazy. But I go back to that, that 1453 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,240 Watford shot season, and I've said this for years, that T that 1454 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,760 IU team going into March was playing so well and playing so 1455 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,400 fantastic. They ran into the wrong team. 1456 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,120 They played Kentucky, who won it all that year in the Sweet 16, 1457 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,280 and I would still say played Kentucky, probably the toughest 1458 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,760 game in their run. It was like one O 2 to 92 or 9, 1459 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:02,360 you know, one O 4 to 90 or so. It was a wild game and you know, 1460 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,400 again, I wasn't going into that season expecting to win a title 1461 01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,560 or go to a Final Four. But it's looking back, it's 1462 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,640 like, well, that was our best shot like in the last 15 years 1463 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,520 that might that season. Let's just say we're not in 1464 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,240 Kentucky's bracket. I think that team makes a Final 1465 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,040 Four. That was our best shot in the 1466 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,280 last 15 years. And there's a world where 1467 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,080 obviously was not going into this year ready to win the 1468 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,920 national championship or be in the College Football Playoff or 1469 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,720 go to the semifinals. But it's very possible, like, 1470 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,920 all right, but you're here and this is a real chance. 1471 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,640 Do it against Purdue. Everything else you have to 1472 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,600 leave up to the committee. But I do believe for for Indiana 1473 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,320 to have a real chance to make a run in this College Football 1474 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,600 Playoff, I felt for a while that the bracket needs to break 1475 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,160 correctly. And I really think they need to 1476 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,160 have a home game in the first round. 1477 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,840 I think those are really key things to make it something 1478 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,160 where if Indiana's gonna have a chance to make a run, I think 1479 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,600 those things need to line up. And so I'm with you and I think 1480 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,040 to get a home game, you probably got to drop no lower than 8th or 1481 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,680 9th in the next rankings. And then for some things to. 1482 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,680 Work out for you. Yeah. 1483 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,400 And and it's it's it's gonna be a real touch and go on that. 1484 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,560 And this is where I think if Indiana wants to host, they've 1485 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,760 really got to go out and lay it on Purdue. 1486 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,480 They got to demonstrate that, that, that, that they're able to 1487 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,960 do that, you know, because that's, that could be the 1488 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,640 deciding factor. So, you know, look, a lot, we're 1489 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,560 going to learn a lot more on Tuesday and we'll kind of see 1490 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,320 how things go with all of it. But yeah, it's going to be 1491 01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,240 fascinating to kind of see how it, how it plays out. 1492 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,200 And I'm, I, I, I think Indiana, we, we'll just have to see. 1493 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:37,920 Yeah. Based on what the committee's 1494 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,720 done up to this point, I'm hopeful that they don't do what 1495 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,640 they did with Miami and knock them way the hell down, but 1496 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,200 we'll have to see. I really don't know what they're 1497 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,280 taking into account at this point or how they're going to 1498 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,120 factor in how Indiana played in that game against the totality 1499 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,680 of what they've done overall. When you wonder too, like did 1500 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,480 they knock Miami down knowing Miami's going to have some time 1501 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:00,760 to build it back up, 'cause if you knock Indiana down with you, 1502 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,200 just you know that they don't have time or the schedule to 1503 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,680 bring it back up. So basically, they're the 1504 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,640 committee's kind of sealing Indiana's fate this Tuesday. 1505 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,960 Yeah, it feels like that to some degree. 1506 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,320 I think so. All right, Scott, Well, let's 1507 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,800 we'll go ahead and wrap up any final thoughts from you before 1508 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,040 we get going. No, I mean, real quick, give us 1509 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,600 your your take on what the experience at Ohio at Ohio 1510 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,920 Stadium was like. It was fine. 1511 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,840 It was it was it was good. I mean, I actually was in a a an 1512 01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,720 area that was that I didn't have bad fans around me. 1513 01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,840 Like nobody treated me poorly. I will say kind of had the worst 1514 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,000 for the for the men's bathrooms. It was the longest lines I think 1515 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,080 I've ever been in for stadiums. I don't know what the heck was 1516 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,120 going on there. That was that was ridiculous for 1517 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,440 a stadium that's got, you know, 100 and some thousand seats. 1518 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,640 But it was fine. I mean, you know, that stadium's 1519 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,120 an interesting stadium. It's certainly loud, but it 1520 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,680 wasn't it wasn't like overwhelmingly deafeningly loud, 1521 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,520 but it was certainly a trouble for Indiana's players in the 1522 01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,480 game. And that's I think an 1523 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,440 interesting thing to think about. 1524 01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:04,440 I'm, I am, you know, the, the tailgate scene before and the 1525 01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:08,000 overall scene before was, was not nearly as fun as Indiana's, 1526 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,960 which I think is normal to think about because Ohio State's just 1527 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,160 kind of in a different plane of existence when it comes to this 1528 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,360 stuff. You know, they're, they are 1529 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,560 oriented in a whole lot of, you know, they're oriented towards 1530 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,200 winning titles. Indiana has had to kind of 1531 01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,880 create the tailgate scene around it as as a way to keep fans fun 1532 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,760 and excited or, or feeling fun and excited. 1533 01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,240 But it was, it was good. I, I, you know, other IU fans 1534 01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:35,360 did not have similarly positive experiences with the fans, but I 1535 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,400 thought the overall setup was fine. 1536 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,280 It's, it's just to me, it's, I've been to a lot of other 1537 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,480 college football environments. The Ohio State one's weird. 1538 01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:46,960 Like their fans clearly love it and love the way that it's done 1539 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,320 and good for them. It's it. 1540 01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,360 I don't find it to be that exciting of an environment. 1541 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,120 But I'm not an Ohio State fan. If I was an Ohio State fan, I'd 1542 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,360 probably really be in love with that entire set up. 1543 01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:58,880 So that's kind of an interesting thing. 1544 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,240 But. But overall, you know, the the 1545 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:02,400 trip was good. We had a good time. 1546 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,160 So a lot, a lot of IU people there, a lot of IU people who 1547 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,600 were engaged and excited and it was fun to see so many IU fans 1548 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,960 in the stands. I just wish that they'd had a 1549 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,960 better game to react to. Yeah. 1550 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:13,840 Yeah. All right. 1551 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,560 So anyway, thanks to all you folks for tuning in. 1552 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,480 Appreciate you joining us here on the show. 1553 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:28,320 And we'll be back on Tuesday. Bison chat will be talking about 1554 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,800 the College Football Playoff reveal and we'll see how things 1555 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,400 go with that. And obviously, we'll have a lot 1556 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,880 to talk about there. We'll recap Kurt Signetti's 1557 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,920 press availability and we'll talk through what Indiana needs 1558 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,240 to do to put themselves in position to beat up on Purdue. 1559 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,160 Hopefully this Saturday, that'll wrap it up for us. 1560 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,360 For Scott, I'm Galen, this is Crimson cast. 1561 01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:52,120 We will again be back later on in the week with more content 1562 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,800 for you as we wrap up this season. 1563 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,440 Indiana 10 and one and with a chance to go to 11:00 and 1:00 1564 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:00,080 and extend the best season in school history. 1565 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,240 For Scott, I'm Galen, this is Crimson cast. 1566 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,920 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 1567 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:05,800 Bison. Stay. 1568 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,520 Never daunted. So long, everybody.