1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,840 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:20,680 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,120 folks. Galen Clavier joining you 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,440 tonight was the 20th of October recording this. 5 00:00:28,190 --> 00:00:32,270 Kind of early in the morning as we are getting ready for a big 6 00:00:32,270 --> 00:00:36,590 weekend and I use sports Hoosier Hysteria for IU basketball this 7 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:38,670 evening. If you're listening to this the 8 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:42,070 Day of and if you're listening to it over the weekend, you 9 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:45,390 missed the Homecoming parade, I guess, and Hoosier Hysteria. 10 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:49,710 But also, of course, IU football playing this weekend. 11 00:00:49,710 --> 00:00:51,870 IU. Volleyball playing this weekend, 12 00:00:51,870 --> 00:00:54,830 IU soccer playing this weekend. 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We're going to tackle kind of 54 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:09,670 the big items related to this Indiana, Rutgers game first. 55 00:03:09,670 --> 00:03:12,070 And then I'm going to go back and answer some additional 56 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:16,670 questions from the Q&A that we opened up on Twitter and try to 57 00:03:17,230 --> 00:03:19,910 get more of those answered because I really did like some 58 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:21,710 of the questions that you folks threw at us. 59 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:28,550 But Indiana, Rutgers, this game is coming up at noon and 60 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:31,070 certainly two teams that appear to be going in different 61 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:36,310 directions, Indiana two and four on the campaign and they've lost 62 00:03:36,310 --> 00:03:39,430 three out of their last four. And that includes of course last 63 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:41,550 week's 52 to seven loss at Michigan. 64 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:46,200 That concludes the 44 to 17 loss against Maryland, Indiana 65 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,400 desperately in need of a win as Rutgers. 66 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,840 You could make an argument, maybe the easiest opponent left 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,880 on the schedule for this Indiana team. 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Maybe you can make an argument that it's Michigan State 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,120 instead. But regardless, any path to a 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,840 bowl almost certainly runs through Indiana beating this 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,160 Rutgers team and just the fact that you're playing Rutgers on 72 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,350 homecoming, you've got them in your building. 73 00:04:12,350 --> 00:04:15,550 Rutgers has won the last couple of matchups between these two 74 00:04:15,550 --> 00:04:19,750 teams. Indiana certainly is due to 75 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:22,710 exact some measure of revenge, one would think. 76 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:26,590 However, when you look at what the two teams have done so far 77 00:04:26,590 --> 00:04:29,670 this year and how the computers are looking at them, Indiana 78 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:33,870 does not fare particularly well. Real Rutgers on the season comes 79 00:04:33,870 --> 00:04:37,070 in with a record of five and two, so they can actually get to 80 00:04:37,070 --> 00:04:39,590 bowl eligibility if they win this game. 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,760 They haven't won against a huge amount of tremendously 82 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,160 impressive opponents, but Rutgers has beaten Michigan 83 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,640 State. They had a comeback victory 84 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,760 against the Spartans at home last week. 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,160 They won 2047 versus Northwestern, who's not very 86 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,200 good this year. They they handily beat Virginia 87 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,920 Tech 35 to 16, and then their other two wins are against 88 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,680 Temple and Wagner. They lost 31, seven at Michigan, 89 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:08,020 and they lost 24 to 13 at Wisconsin. 90 00:05:08,020 --> 00:05:10,860 Certainly no shame in either of those losses. 91 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:14,140 Rutgers on the season averaging about 28 points a game, 92 00:05:14,420 --> 00:05:17,100 surrendering about 16 points a game. 93 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:21,340 And when you dive into the advanced statistics between 94 00:05:21,340 --> 00:05:26,100 these two teams, Rutgers, as I mentioned, comes out ahead 52nd 95 00:05:26,180 --> 00:05:30,300 overall in S&P. Plus, Rutgers strength has not 96 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:32,820 been their offense. Their offense is not 97 00:05:32,820 --> 00:05:35,140 significantly better than Indiana. 98 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:41,020 Rutgers offense ranked 76th in S&P plus, although it ranks, I 99 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:43,940 will say significantly better in Pro Football Focus. 100 00:05:43,940 --> 00:05:47,300 And so you know a lot of what you're seeing there is, I think 101 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:51,020 Rutgers lacking a lot of explosivity in terms of what 102 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:53,580 they're doing on offense. But where they make up for that 103 00:05:53,860 --> 00:05:57,460 is when they get opportunities, they tend to take advantage of 104 00:05:57,460 --> 00:06:02,860 those opportunities and when they're needing to get yards on 105 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:04,870 the ground. They've more or less been able 106 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:07,910 to do that. So you know, the where Rutgers 107 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:10,430 really shines is on the defensive front. 108 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:13,830 They're 32nd in the country and S&P, plus they're 22nd in the 109 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:17,510 country and Pro Football Focus and defense and they're 32nd and 110 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:20,910 FBI. All that adds up to a team that 111 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:25,550 really has played very well defensively this season, albeit 112 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:29,430 not against top level competition, but now holding 113 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:32,750 Wisconsin to 24 points in Madison. 114 00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:36,070 For a team like Rutgers with that level of talent disparity 115 00:06:36,070 --> 00:06:38,670 between the two programs is pretty impressive. 116 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:42,830 Indiana, as you know, we've talked about this throughout the 117 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:46,950 course of the season. Indiana just not really looking 118 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:50,510 good in any phase of the game. The best phase of the game for 119 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:52,790 Indiana right now is special teams. 120 00:06:53,190 --> 00:06:57,230 But when you look at overall play and either offense or 121 00:06:57,230 --> 00:07:01,850 defense, Indiana ranks around the bottom of Power Five teams 122 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:05,210 in all of those areas. Indiana with one of the worst 123 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:07,610 defensive success rates in the country. 124 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:10,770 Indiana with one of the lowest offensive success rates in the 125 00:07:10,770 --> 00:07:13,330 country. Indiana one of the worst teams 126 00:07:13,330 --> 00:07:17,650 in terms of rushing success. Indiana one of the worst teams 127 00:07:17,650 --> 00:07:21,410 in terms of of explosiveness. And unfortunately, they're 128 00:07:21,410 --> 00:07:25,650 playing against a Rutgers team that has been really good at 129 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:29,890 turning opponents over and that leads to explosive plays for 130 00:07:29,890 --> 00:07:33,290 their defense. I, you know, I think when I came 131 00:07:33,290 --> 00:07:38,010 into this there, there was a thought in my head that perhaps 132 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:42,050 the statistics would be more kind to Indiana and less kind to 133 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:45,170 Rutgers. But what we've seen so far this 134 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:49,290 season is just an Indiana team that is frankly stuck in the mud 135 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:56,020 on both sides of the ball. And I have not been imbued with 136 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:59,540 a high level of confidence by the coaching staff with the 137 00:07:59,620 --> 00:08:02,740 public comments that they've made post Michigan game. 138 00:08:03,380 --> 00:08:06,220 You know what we heard going into that Michigan game was that 139 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:09,660 with the changeover and offensive coordinator and with 140 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:13,660 the buy that there would be tweaks made that I you would 141 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:17,820 focus on things that would work. And while Michigan is certainly 142 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:22,250 a high level opponent, there's a a straightforward comparison you 143 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:26,610 can give between what Indiana did versus Michigan at the Big 144 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:32,450 House and what Rutgers did not. You know three weeks earlier at 145 00:08:32,450 --> 00:08:36,490 the Big House both teams lost by, you know a pretty 146 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:40,250 significant margin. But Rutgers defense at least was 147 00:08:40,250 --> 00:08:43,250 able to keep Michigan under wraps a little bit. 148 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:45,530 Michigan only winning that game 31 to 7. 149 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,480 You know, overall I look at this Indiana team and I say this does 150 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,880 not appear to be a team that has solved a lot. 151 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,560 And you know, if you look at what Indiana did in terms of of 152 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:02,360 overall, you know, positive things in that Michigan game. 153 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:06,080 It's not that there were no positives, but the positives all 154 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,240 came in a really tight cluster offensively and defensively and 155 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,280 they were right at the beginning of the game and what concerns 156 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,130 me. All the time about this IU team, 157 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,930 and with that in miniature, is that we do see IU sometimes come 158 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:25,770 out and do good things for a couple of drives, whether it's 159 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:28,450 offense or defense or both. We saw it in the Ohio State 160 00:09:28,450 --> 00:09:31,130 game. What we consistently see though, 161 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:36,570 is that other teams, whether they are very talented teams 162 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:39,730 like Michigan and Ohio State or even lesser teams like Rutgers, 163 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,890 other teams are able to take that initial punch, make 164 00:09:42,890 --> 00:09:45,970 adjustments. Solve whatever problems Indiana 165 00:09:45,970 --> 00:09:51,010 is creating for them and then use that to put points on the 166 00:09:51,010 --> 00:09:54,890 board, gain yards, keep Indiana from moving the ball, and it all 167 00:09:54,890 --> 00:09:58,490 ends up with essentially what would have happened if Indiana 168 00:09:58,530 --> 00:10:01,050 hadn't made those plays at the beginning of the game anyway. 169 00:10:01,370 --> 00:10:04,050 We saw that in the Ohio State game. 170 00:10:04,050 --> 00:10:05,850 Obviously. We saw it in the Michigan game. 171 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:07,930 We didn't really see it in the Maryland game. 172 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:11,770 I mean, Indiana got some mop up time stuff, you know, but this 173 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:13,690 is kind of the pattern that we're used to. 174 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:17,090 With this Indiana team that happened last year when they 175 00:10:17,090 --> 00:10:20,530 went into Rutgers, they got up 14, nothing early. 176 00:10:20,890 --> 00:10:23,730 And I know I looked at that game and I was like, wow, OK, maybe 177 00:10:23,730 --> 00:10:27,530 they put it together and then Rutgers systematically started 178 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:30,490 stopping Indiana from doing the things that they had been doing 179 00:10:30,490 --> 00:10:32,690 successfully. And Indiana didn't seem to have 180 00:10:33,370 --> 00:10:36,290 another gear or or another approach. 181 00:10:36,890 --> 00:10:39,250 So you look at the numbers overall. 182 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,640 You look at where Indiana's lack of success has been, there's 183 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,160 just not a lot of matchups when you take Indiana's offense 184 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,120 versus Rutgers defense or vice versa, that would favor IU. 185 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,120 There's a much more detailed breakdown of all of this on bite 186 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,680 sized bison, which I would highly recommend everybody go 187 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:59,520 check out. But you know, when you just kind 188 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,800 of take it in totality, you've got an Indiana team where I 189 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,120 think, frankly, the biggest problem is they come into this 190 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,160 game is that their defense just hasn't been able to stop 191 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,040 anybody. And I don't think Indiana's 192 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,920 offense has any clue about how to move the ball. 193 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,200 Still, I think they'll certainly have an easier time of it 194 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,600 against Rutgers, but I don't think it's going to be 195 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,720 necessarily an easy time of it against Rutgers. 196 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,280 Rutgers being LED in rushing by their junior running back Kyle 197 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Man and guy believe is how his name is pronounced, averaging 198 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,600 about 90 yards a game, but about 5.3 yards per carry. 199 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Gavin Wimsat The quarterback hasn't had a great year. 200 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,720 Only 7 touchdowns and four interceptions and only about a 201 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,200 51% completion percentage. But you know overall what you 202 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,120 know when you look at these two teams in the way that they're 203 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,040 set up. The Rutgers offense is really 204 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,840 not designed to run or excuse me, to pass. 205 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,960 It's really designed to run and they've proven themselves to be 206 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,360 pretty consistently OK at that. So for Indiana, the huge 207 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,860 question here is going to be, can their rush defense rise to 208 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:09,420 the occasion and force Rutgers to put the ball in the air? 209 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:12,580 At this point, I don't think we've seen anything that would 210 00:12:12,580 --> 00:12:14,940 let us believe that Indiana's going to be able to do that. 211 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:18,740 They might be able to do it for a little bit, but I worry that 212 00:12:18,740 --> 00:12:21,700 the defensive line in the front seven is going to get worn down 213 00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:24,780 enough over the course of the first a couple of quarters of 214 00:12:24,780 --> 00:12:27,900 this game that even if Indiana is able to temporarily stop 215 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:30,340 Rutgers, it's not going to be able to last. 216 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,940 I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love to see Indiana put 217 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:36,180 together 4 full quarters of defensive action. 218 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:40,020 But you know what? What really worries me is that 219 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:43,620 Indiana, over the last three seasons, when their defense 220 00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:47,340 hasn't been able to get stops even in moderate and low scoring 221 00:12:47,340 --> 00:12:52,600 games, their offense has not been able to make up whatever 222 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,800 points are being allowed by the defense, which puts an 223 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,400 inordinate amount of pressure on the defense because the offense 224 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,800 just is not able to hold up its end of the bargain. 225 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,280 So that's the big question this week. 226 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,040 It will certainly be easier to move the ball and to to have big 227 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,120 plays and to have steady plays against Rutgers defense than it 228 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,560 was against Michigan. I'm just not totally sure that 229 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:18,530 you can. I wouldn't bet on it at this 230 00:13:18,530 --> 00:13:21,250 point. I think IU really needs to show 231 00:13:21,570 --> 00:13:24,050 before you trust them in a game like this. 232 00:13:24,050 --> 00:13:26,970 And that's what I'll be watching out for in this game is, you 233 00:13:26,970 --> 00:13:31,250 know, how well does IU adapt to the reality of, you know, their 234 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:34,890 offense has to produce. I don't think IU did themselves 235 00:13:34,890 --> 00:13:38,130 any favors this week in terms of how they handled the quarterback 236 00:13:38,130 --> 00:13:41,090 situation. We go into another game where 237 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:47,790 Indiana is not naming a starting quarterback, which you know, 238 00:13:48,630 --> 00:13:51,230 it's amazing the lack of learning that seems to have 239 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:55,270 taken place over this particular situation this season. 240 00:13:56,070 --> 00:13:59,430 You know, Indiana didn't name a starter going into game one. 241 00:13:59,590 --> 00:14:00,870 It really didn't make any difference. 242 00:14:00,870 --> 00:14:02,590 Offensively, Indiana scored three points. 243 00:14:02,590 --> 00:14:05,670 Indiana didn't name a starter going into Week 2, but they were 244 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:08,230 playing a really bad FCS opponent. 245 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:12,150 They finally name a starter and they score 0 points in the first 246 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:15,150 quarter and second quarter of that up that game. 247 00:14:15,710 --> 00:14:19,340 And you know, now we're back to a situation where we're not 248 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:21,540 naming starters. Michigan is. 249 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:24,340 You know, if you're playing Michigan and you're rotating 250 00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:29,820 quarterbacks through some set process, but your team doesn't 251 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:32,260 appear to know about it based upon what we heard from Donovan 252 00:14:32,260 --> 00:14:34,380 Mccully in the post game press conference. 253 00:14:35,060 --> 00:14:39,460 And it's just kind of baffling that this is still considered to 254 00:14:39,460 --> 00:14:42,540 be an important thing for IU to not name a starter. 255 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,880 And you know, frankly, there's there's not really a strategic 256 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,040 advantage at this point. Whatever the coaching staff 257 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,000 seems to think is the strategic advantage, it's not working and 258 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,880 and it's really antagonizing the fans at this point. 259 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,240 It's really kind of fascinating watching the negative reactions 260 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,800 to Tom Allen refusing to name a starter at any point throughout 261 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,080 the course of the week. But I think a lot of that 262 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,960 reaction has been pretty justified. 263 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,830 You know, ultimately IU needs stability and they need a 264 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:20,470 strategy and fans right now. I mean you look at the the, I 265 00:15:20,590 --> 00:15:22,910 mean we look at the numbers all the time just in terms of how 266 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:25,350 many people are tuning into the podcast, like the numbers have 267 00:15:25,510 --> 00:15:27,990 dropped off a Cliff. People have become incredibly 268 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:31,230 disengaged from this football program over the last few weeks. 269 00:15:31,950 --> 00:15:33,790 You know, and certainly the Akron game didn't help. 270 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:35,910 The Maryland and Michigan games didn't help. 271 00:15:36,390 --> 00:15:42,470 But the atmosphere around the program is just one of nobody 272 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:45,230 seems to believe in the football program and the coaching staff 273 00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:48,150 have a direction with things or or know what's going on or how 274 00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:51,190 to fix anything. I mean that really is tangibly 275 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:55,230 seeping through in these press availabilities and the coaches 276 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:58,670 shows and things like that. Whether or not it's true or not, 277 00:15:58,910 --> 00:16:03,030 that is the perception. And at A at a pivotal point 278 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:08,080 going into a a weekend where you have to get a result on the 279 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,400 field against a Rutgers team that is no more talented than 280 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,040 your team is, you know to to just be like what? 281 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,800 We're not going to name a starting quarterback. 282 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,920 People do not have anything to grab onto with this team right 283 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,360 now. Like if you asked like what is 284 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Indiana going to do on offense going into this Rutgers game, I 285 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,200 think most people would be like I have no idea and at this point 286 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,400 I don't care. That is not where you want your 287 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,720 football fan base at this point in time. 288 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,010 You know, you have to get a crowd out there and you have to 289 00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:38,490 have a crowd that's excited and invested in what's going on with 290 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:40,770 the team. And it's almost felt like Allen 291 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:44,010 and the football coaching staff have just tried to keep 292 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:46,450 everybody at arm's length. And I'm sure that they think 293 00:16:46,450 --> 00:16:48,210 that they're doing it because they're going to get some kind 294 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:51,770 of strategic advantage. But a we've seen that hasn't 295 00:16:51,770 --> 00:16:53,890 worked out in the games where they've done this. 296 00:16:53,890 --> 00:16:57,610 And BI think it's really turning off the people that you need to 297 00:16:57,610 --> 00:17:00,850 be invested in the game, which is the people that you want to 298 00:17:00,850 --> 00:17:04,730 get into the stands. And so it also ties into another 299 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:07,690 thing which I'm, I think if you're an observer of IU 300 00:17:07,690 --> 00:17:11,210 football, you should be nervous about. 301 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:15,970 And this was actually asked by Taylor Lehman when we did our 302 00:17:15,970 --> 00:17:20,410 Q&A session, is Dexter QB one, of course, meaning Dexter 303 00:17:20,410 --> 00:17:24,369 Williams. This is something that we talked 304 00:17:24,369 --> 00:17:28,130 about on the podcast actually with Taylor far earlier than 305 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:30,210 this week. We talked about this all the way 306 00:17:30,210 --> 00:17:35,370 back in the preseason when IU kept refusing to name a starting 307 00:17:35,370 --> 00:17:40,530 quarterback and and when they really seem to be refusing to 308 00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:44,250 outline an offensive philosophy or identity other than we want 309 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:46,210 to be a running team, we're going to integrate the triple 310 00:17:46,210 --> 00:17:47,850 option. We saw all of these things being 311 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:51,130 integrated in those first couple of games that now I use gone 312 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:53,050 away from because they can't run them. 313 00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:55,090 The option being a great example of that. 314 00:17:56,090 --> 00:18:00,190 A lot of that seemed to be a, you know, laying groundwork for 315 00:18:00,190 --> 00:18:02,790 Dexter Williams to just come back in and be the starting 316 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:07,750 quarterback when he was ready. It's complicated though because 317 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:11,750 obviously if you look at last year, Dexter, while he had one 318 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:15,910 really good game for Indiana and there was that game up at 319 00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:18,150 Michigan State that Indiana won in overtime. 320 00:18:18,790 --> 00:18:22,990 It's it's been very puzzling that IU, if, if this indeed is 321 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:24,950 the direction that they're going where they're going to name 322 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,440 Dexter Williams starter. It just seems odd that that 323 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,440 would be the game or the that would be the the offensive 324 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:37,360 system that they would want to pursue given that that game. 325 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:41,080 If you really go back and look at the numbers of that game, it 326 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,320 wasn't Dexter Williams as a running quarterback that really 327 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,440 won that game for them. It was some outstanding 328 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,380 individual performances. By, you know, Sean Shiver's 13 329 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:57,500 carries, 115 yards. Certainly Dexter Williams had a 330 00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:00,940 good running game, 16 carries for 86 yards and a touchdown. 331 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,380 But you know, a lot of it also came down to the fact that 332 00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:09,060 Indiana scored via special teams in that game. 333 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:13,540 You know, they were able to pick up, you know, a couple of really 334 00:19:13,540 --> 00:19:17,740 nice long returns by Jalen Lucas. 335 00:19:18,020 --> 00:19:21,740 You know the the first kick of the game, Jalen Lucas returns it 336 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:25,300 for 43 yards and and you you get a touchdown out of that. 337 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:29,820 You know, Jalen Lucas had another huge return later on in 338 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:33,300 the game. Sean shivers on the first play 339 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:37,260 for Indiana of the second quarter, ends up with a 79 yard 340 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:40,700 touchdown run. You know, just kind of down the 341 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:41,940 list. And you know, if you remember 342 00:19:41,940 --> 00:19:47,380 that game, Indiana gets down to the end of it and neither team 343 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,600 can really do anything offensively. 344 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,480 I mean the last four drives of that game, you know, Indiana 345 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,360 scores a touchdown and and ends up tying it up. 346 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:01,880 And then no, Michigan State turns it over on downs. 347 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,320 After an 8 play drive, Indiana has to punt. 348 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,760 Michigan State drives all the way down the field and misses a 349 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,240 field goal and that's the what sends it into overtime. 350 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,330 It it's it just seems odd. And again, I like Dexter 351 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:18,410 Williams as a quarterback, but he hasn't or as a runner. 352 00:20:18,610 --> 00:20:21,210 I don't think he's demonstrated himself as a guy who can come in 353 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:23,530 and throw the ball. And you just have to look at his 354 00:20:23,530 --> 00:20:25,370 statistics to see that. I mean, he ended up with about a 355 00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:28,810 34% completion percentage in that Michigan State game last 356 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:30,170 year. He was 2 for seven. 357 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:34,970 You know, in that game, only two passes completed the entire 358 00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:38,050 game. And I believe both of those were 359 00:20:38,050 --> 00:20:40,010 in overtime, if I'm remembering correctly. 360 00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:46,630 So that game, I feel like a lot of what IU decided they wanted 361 00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:51,150 to do going into the offseason almost feels like a fluke result 362 00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:52,990 that Indiana was able to pick up on the road. 363 00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:55,390 That's not meant to take away from the win. 364 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:58,230 It is meant to say that may not be the type of game you want to 365 00:20:58,230 --> 00:21:01,110 base what you really want to do offensively around. 366 00:21:01,350 --> 00:21:04,950 And what worries me about Dexter Williams isn't just the lack of 367 00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:07,710 of demonstrated passing ability at this point. 368 00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:11,350 What what is a much bigger concern to me is that this is a 369 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:16,360 guy who is not yet a year removed from having a major leg 370 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:21,000 injury and Indiana has seen a lot of quarterbacks struggle 371 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,880 including Michael Pennix when it appeared they came back a bit 372 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,080 too early. I I do think that there's cause 373 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,720 for concern if the plan is OK, you know Dexter Williams is is 374 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,040 going to play in this game. It may not be the case that he's 375 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,120 playing at all, but if he is I I yeah, I think there's enough 376 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,350 question marks about it and there's been enough secrecy and 377 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:42,950 and so forth And the fact that he was dressed as an emergency 378 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:46,790 quarterback, I would be worried about several different things 379 00:21:46,790 --> 00:21:49,870 if that ended up actually being what the case was in this 380 00:21:49,870 --> 00:21:51,430 upcoming game. And so I don't know. 381 00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:54,790 I mean, I if Dexter's back and fully healthy and able to make 382 00:21:54,790 --> 00:21:58,790 all of these plays and very confident, then sure, you know, 383 00:21:58,790 --> 00:22:01,630 maybe he is QB one and and maybe that ends up being the best 384 00:22:01,630 --> 00:22:05,340 move. It just seems unlikely given the 385 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:08,340 instability on offense, given the fact you've already changed 386 00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:11,140 over offensive coordinators. You know, given the fact that 387 00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:14,620 you haven't really established a lot of of confidence in the 388 00:22:14,620 --> 00:22:17,540 minds of the guys that have come in and played quarterback so far 389 00:22:17,540 --> 00:22:18,940 because you've been jerking him around. 390 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:22,100 If Dexter Williams does play quarterback this week, now 391 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,940 that's a third quarterback you've thrown into the mix and 392 00:22:24,940 --> 00:22:28,380 you still don't have an offensive system that you have 393 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:31,390 the right personnel to run. You're not, you know the 394 00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:35,070 offensive line is just not shown the ability to block, and you've 395 00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:38,310 clearly got receiving talent that you're not going to be able 396 00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:41,270 to use Dexter Williams to take full advantage of if he's still 397 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:43,550 passing like he was passing last year. 398 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:48,230 That those are all I think major concerns and I guess we'll find 399 00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:52,550 out when the lineup card comes out tomorrow regarding whether 400 00:22:52,550 --> 00:22:55,540 Dexter is going to be starting and if he's playing. 401 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:58,540 I do. I am curious if he is available. 402 00:22:58,820 --> 00:23:01,700 I'd be shocked if we didn't see him come in at some point. 403 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,060 If I use offense with sputtering, I don't know if 404 00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:06,620 that's a good move at this point. 405 00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:08,620 We'll have to see. It's going to be a really 406 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:12,620 fascinating thing. Couple other questions here. 407 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:15,980 We since we that that kind of leads us into talking through 408 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:21,740 some of the other questions that came in before we talk about the 409 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:28,050 our predictions on this game, Tyler Herndon asks this 410 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:31,050 question, what is the conversation around IU football 411 00:23:31,050 --> 00:23:33,290 turn into if they win this weekend? 412 00:23:33,290 --> 00:23:36,130 Rutgers, Illinois, Michigan State and Purdue are all within 413 00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:39,170 reach. With that in mind, Allen could 414 00:23:39,170 --> 00:23:41,650 technically still get an extension to the contract by 415 00:23:41,650 --> 00:23:43,890 winning six games. What's the conversation if that 416 00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:49,250 were to happen? Look, I I At this point, so much 417 00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:53,490 of the conversation is not dominated by people saying, 418 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:57,090 well, we have to fire Tom Allen. A lot of people are saying that, 419 00:23:57,090 --> 00:23:59,730 but I think what they mean is what we're seeing at this point 420 00:23:59,930 --> 00:24:03,250 does not look like it's getting any better if IU goes out and 421 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,290 beats Rutgers in this game on Saturday. 422 00:24:06,290 --> 00:24:08,810 I think it changes the entire tenor of the conversation 423 00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:14,570 because I think what IU fans are looking for is some sign of life 424 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:19,740 after really three weeks in a row of really underwhelming 425 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:22,940 performance. And you know, even the Akron win 426 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:24,780 was a really underwhelming performance. 427 00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:27,420 And obviously the last two weeks have been incredibly 428 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:29,100 underwhelming on both. Sides of the ball. 429 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:32,020 If Indiana comes out and wins this game, I'll be the first to 430 00:24:32,020 --> 00:24:34,700 say, look this. That changes the entire prism of 431 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:38,340 the season because as was mentioned by Tyler, you've 432 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:41,060 really only got one. Absolutely. 433 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,280 You know, unwinnable looking game on. 434 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,400 I'm not saying it's actually unwinnable, but you've got one 435 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,960 unwinnable looking game on the schedule and that's that game at 436 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000 Penn State because the rest of them, as you said, you've got 437 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,200 Wisconsin, who has a quarterback with a broken hand and has not 438 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,600 really looked themselves this year, and you've got them here 439 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,880 in Memorial Stadium. You're at Illinois, who's been 440 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,120 mercurial to say the best thing that you could say about them. 441 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,440 You know they beat obviously Maryland, but then they've 442 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,440 they've lost some really bad games this year. 443 00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:14,380 And you've got Michigan State, who is a dumpster fire, and then 444 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:17,860 you've got Purdue, who is also frankly, A dumpster fire. 445 00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:21,380 And as bad as I use defense has looked at times, you know, 446 00:25:21,380 --> 00:25:23,900 Purdue's defense has actually looked slightly worse. 447 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,740 They've scored slightly more. But that's certainly a winnable 448 00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:30,260 game. You have, including this Rutgers 449 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:32,820 game, you have 5 winnable games left on the schedule, which is 450 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:34,300 what we've been saying from the beginning. 451 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:38,040 A lot of the people who have been saying, hey, let's let's 452 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,160 see how this goes. I think a lot of it has centered 453 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,560 around the idea that if IU comes out and beats Rutgers, suddenly 454 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,400 this is a team that could potentially play against that 455 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800 caliber of competition. And they've got multiple teams 456 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,480 against or multiple games against teams of that caliber of 457 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,760 competition the rest of the way. So I think the conversation 458 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,280 should rightly change to OK, Indiana's got three games left 459 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,180 at the end of the day. What people are reacting to is 460 00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:09,420 how lifeless the offense has looked, how lost the team has 461 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:12,540 looked overall, just in terms of how they approach the day-to-day 462 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:17,180 and just the lack of strategy or focus that seems to be present. 463 00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:20,860 If that gets better and Indiana goes out and beats a divisional 464 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:23,900 opponent at home on homecoming, of course the conversation 465 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,060 should change. And if IU makes a bowl, look, 466 00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:29,900 that's all anybody asks for with IU football. 467 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:32,980 That's all anybody asks for. Make a bowl, yo. 468 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:35,900 I mean, if if Indiana's playing in the Detroit Bowl, whatever is 469 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:38,660 Little Caesars Bowl or whatever they're calling it now, that 470 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:41,380 would be a tremendous ending to a season that looked like it had 471 00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:45,580 no chance of getting there. It's still on the table, and I 472 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:49,940 think so much of what IU fans who are still paying attention 473 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:53,580 to this team are, is, are doing is just waiting for some sign of 474 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:56,580 life. This would be a great chance for 475 00:26:56,580 --> 00:27:00,500 Indiana to show that, and I would get excited if we're 476 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,180 sitting here on Sunday morning and I'm talking with Scott and 477 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:05,060 we're talking about how Indiana figured out a way to beat 478 00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:08,340 Rutgers if they did it through offense or if they did it 479 00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:10,540 through defense. Either way, it's like, is there 480 00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:14,100 something that you can look at that says this team can win at 481 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,940 that point, the three remaining games? 482 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,340 That might sound laughable as we're talking right now, but 483 00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:22,060 that's what this game means ultimately. 484 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:25,860 Can Indiana demonstrate that they still have a pulse Because 485 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,000 as we talked about last year, like last year's team did down 486 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,680 the stretch adapt and they were at least able to you know, they 487 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,520 they they did rise up and even though I the the Michigan State 488 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,120 game was flukish and how it worked out they still were able 489 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,720 to win that game. They were close against Rutgers 490 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,600 last year at almost the same time they were close against 491 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,680 Maryland last year. They they hung tough for 1/2 492 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,440 against Purdue. This is where Indiana just has 493 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,950 to demonstrate that they can actually come up with the wins. 494 00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:58,390 And so I think yes, the conversation would change and 495 00:27:58,390 --> 00:28:04,190 rightfully so. Some other questions our our 496 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:08,230 buddy James from Crimson Cash asks after Donovan Mccully threw 497 00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:11,150 that touchdown pass at Michigan, do you think it crossed Tom 498 00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:13,510 Allen's mind to give him a series or 2A quarterback? 499 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:16,110 I mean, it's a really interesting question. 500 00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:18,270 It was interesting. There was a Greg Doyle piece 501 00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:20,950 from earlier this week that that really went after Tom Allen 502 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:24,370 pretty pretty heavily. It focused a lot on Donovan 503 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,050 Mcculley and the fact that Mcculley had chosen not to be a 504 00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:30,250 quarterback here and instead it had chosen to move to wide 505 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,450 receiver. But you see that throw he makes 506 00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:34,050 to Jalen Lucas in the Michigan game. 507 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:36,530 You're like, is is there a reason why that happened? 508 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:39,890 That's still a very bizarre thing to me, that Mcculley who 509 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,010 had, you know, came in as a quarterback, had a lot of the 510 00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:45,890 same skill set that Dexter Williams has, except had shown 511 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:50,190 an ability to throw the ball better, just decided that he's 512 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:52,470 not going to play quarterback. And and it seemed from that 513 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:55,670 piece that Doyle wrote that that was Mccully's decision, not the 514 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:58,230 football team's decision which that's a whole nother can of 515 00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:00,070 worms that we could talk about at some point. 516 00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:05,150 But yeah, I I'm sure Alan has looked at that and and perhaps 517 00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:08,630 thought about using that Morris or maybe Rod Carey has more so 518 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:11,470 than Alan if they'd be foolish not to. 519 00:29:11,470 --> 00:29:16,140 I mean when you have a dual threat ball carrier like Donovan 520 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:19,020 Mccully who can catch the ball or who can throw the ball or who 521 00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:21,740 can, you know you can run jet sweeps or things like that with 522 00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:22,980 them. I mean you need to use that guy 523 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:24,900 more often, use the talent that you've got. 524 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,220 So it'll be interesting to see how that ends up working as 525 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,300 things go along. Some other questions regarding 526 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:32,780 football that I wanted to tackle. 527 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:37,870 Tom Shanklin got a couple What are the chances IU goes with the 528 00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:39,990 hottest handed quarterback and starts Jack Tuttle. 529 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:42,110 Funny joke. I like that Jack Tuttle you know 530 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:43,790 5 for five of that game. Good for him. 531 00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:46,790 I'm glad he's he's getting some play at the tail end of these 532 00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:49,470 Michigan games. Tom also asked what are the 533 00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:53,670 chances Justin Fuente was hired as the QC coach but is really 534 00:29:53,670 --> 00:29:56,830 the head coach in waiting? I I would hope not. 535 00:29:57,310 --> 00:30:00,830 I mean who knows at this point. I mean I the the the Fuente hire 536 00:30:00,830 --> 00:30:02,390 is interesting. We talked about it. 537 00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:07,440 I think when it happened it's it's a it's an advisory role. 538 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,280 It's not a straight up. I mean I think there or maybe 539 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,440 it's AQC role, but I'm not even sure how that is set up in terms 540 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760 of the the overall coaching hierarchy. 541 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,800 I will say this, I think in general, if you can have people 542 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,680 on your staff that understand one phase of the game really 543 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,920 well, which Justin Fuente definitely does, he understands 544 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,880 offense. And if you can hire, you know, 545 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720 guys who have had head coaching experience, which he had at 546 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840 Memphis and at Virginia Tech, good, that's, that's a good 547 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,500 hire. You know as far as what does 548 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:40,860 that mean long term? I I always like to resist the 549 00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:44,780 idea that any program, Indiana or anybody else, if they're 550 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:47,300 going to make a change that they wouldn't open it up for a full 551 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,300 search. I would certainly hope that the 552 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:52,660 scenario you're describing would not be considered. 553 00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:56,260 If he ends up being the the best potential hire in that case, 554 00:30:56,300 --> 00:31:00,580 sure, but that is very unlikely given the Med, the the whole 555 00:31:00,580 --> 00:31:04,140 mesh of of variables that would be in that mix? 556 00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:08,260 Matt Park asks. The Rutgers games have been 557 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:11,060 critical both in football for years and basketball for the 558 00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:13,500 last few years. Looking back, what are the 559 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,100 biggest missteps by the athletic department that allowed this to 560 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:17,380 happen? It's an interesting way of 561 00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:19,380 phrasing that. I think the idea here with this 562 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:26,660 question is how did Indiana let Rutgers catch them in both 563 00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:28,060 sports. I mean, look, I think it's 564 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:29,580 different with the the two sports. 565 00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:33,740 I think The thing is that Rutgers made two really, really 566 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:37,420 good coaching hires. And Steve Pikel, who I I've 567 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:40,620 always had a tremendous amount of respect for, he is, you know, 568 00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:45,780 he's, you know, Pikel was a Jim Calhoun disciple and really 569 00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:50,500 knows a lot about coaching basketball at a high level. 570 00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:54,570 You know, he he's not for everyone, but he has a system 571 00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:59,050 that you know, has taken Rutgers to two NCAA tournaments, which 572 00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:01,530 probably should have been three NCAA tournaments if you count in 573 00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:06,130 the COVID year. And he's done it, you know, 574 00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:09,290 really without his teams doing much offensively. 575 00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:11,370 But they have been just dynamite defensive teams. 576 00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:16,090 And I think Indiana, you know, because of how up and down their 577 00:32:16,090 --> 00:32:19,950 program has been since Steve Pikel took over at Rutgers, you 578 00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:23,070 know, which was 2017, which was, you know, that was the year that 579 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:25,150 was Crean's. Last year was Pikel's first 580 00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:27,150 year. I think Pikel was a better 581 00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:30,830 higher than Archie Miller relative to the relative 582 00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:33,390 strengths of those programs. I don't know if Pikel would have 583 00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:37,150 had, you know, been a good hire at IU, but I know that Archie 584 00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:39,790 Miller didn't work out and I think that the things that Pikel 585 00:32:39,790 --> 00:32:42,830 did really made it hard for Archie Miller coach teams to 586 00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,190 beat Rutgers. I think that Woodson has been a 587 00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:48,790 better, higher and a better coach against Pikel's teams 588 00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:52,030 because you know, Woodson's teams has spent, you know, last 589 00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:55,710 year especially were able to score enough points that they 590 00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:57,670 were able to beat Rutgers. That was still a really grindy 591 00:32:57,670 --> 00:32:58,990 game. Rutgers just a hard team to 592 00:32:58,990 --> 00:33:01,790 play. They remind me a lot of, you 593 00:33:01,790 --> 00:33:04,190 know, some of those teams that Indiana would have to play in 594 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:08,070 the Big 10 in the in the 80s and 90s that were just very 595 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:10,630 difficult to play against. Purdue was like that, but Purdue 596 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:14,090 was more talented. You know, whenever you would go 597 00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:16,130 on the road and and play like a Minnesota. 598 00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:18,450 When Clem Haskins was there, they were very difficult to play 599 00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:21,370 against football wise. I mean, Rutgers was in real bad 600 00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:24,170 shape and they went back out and hired the probably the best, 601 00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:27,410 certainly the best modern coach in their history and Greg 602 00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:29,290 Schiano. And as much as Schiano flamed 603 00:33:29,290 --> 00:33:32,090 out in the NFL, that's a guy that knows how to coach college 604 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:34,770 football. And you know, I think that to 605 00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:41,490 me, the big complaint about the Allen era is that IU has gone 606 00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:43,930 backwards. While its two biggest 607 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:48,770 competitors in the Big 10 E have gone forwards where Rutgers and 608 00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:53,130 where Maryland were pre, Pandemic was far behind where 609 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:59,530 Indiana was AT. And to watch Maryland with Mike 610 00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:04,030 Locksley and Rutgers with Greg Schiano figure it out and 611 00:34:04,030 --> 00:34:07,150 surpass really Indiana. I think in terms of of just how 612 00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:10,030 they play on a week to week basis with not that much more 613 00:34:10,030 --> 00:34:13,030 talent than what Indiana's got. That's probably the biggest 614 00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:16,989 indictment that you can find of what Alan has or has not 615 00:34:16,989 --> 00:34:19,630 accomplished over the course of the last three years at IU. 616 00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:23,070 And you know you just can't afford if you're Indiana to fall 617 00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:24,389 behind. And so it's it's kind of a 618 00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:27,070 broader answer to your question, Matt. 619 00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:30,110 I think ultimately, I mean Rutgers still doesn't have the 620 00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,550 resources that IU has. I just think I, you know Rutgers 621 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:34,989 in a couple of cases made really good coaching hires. 622 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:38,590 And those coaches have been able to overcome the obstacles that 623 00:34:38,590 --> 00:34:43,070 their programs face in ways that you know the the coaches that 624 00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:46,510 were in place at the time when they were hired at Indiana 625 00:34:46,630 --> 00:34:48,750 haven't been able to do. But as I said, I do think 626 00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:53,290 Indiana with Woodson made a hire that's helped to give them a 627 00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:55,449 much better chance against Rutgers. 628 00:34:55,449 --> 00:34:57,930 But you have to also tip your cap to Rutgers and Steve Pikel, 629 00:34:58,090 --> 00:35:00,770 I think on the basketball side and likewise on the football 630 00:35:00,770 --> 00:35:06,090 side. Let's see, Derek Fields asked. 631 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:09,890 With divisions going away and Big 10 television money, is the 632 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:13,490 football job as attractive as it's been to potential head 633 00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:15,970 coaches in the last 40 years? Or is it about as attractive? 634 00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:18,050 Not asking you to speculate on Tom Allen just about the head 635 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:22,240 coaching position in general. So good question Derek and I 636 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,840 would rephrase this slightly. It's like this is Indiana more 637 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,360 attractive as a destination for a head coach or a place that a 638 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,840 coach would consider going than it has been in the past. 639 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:38,080 I think it it is actually you've got much better facilities now 640 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,800 not saying that facilities are where they need to be, but much 641 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,560 better facilities now than at any point you know prior to 642 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,200 really you know when they completed the South end zone. 643 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,540 You know so really you look at, you look at IU, they didn't 644 00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:55,820 start upgrading their facilities really until the mid 2000s and a 645 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:58,180 lot of programs have done it long before then. 646 00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:00,940 The overall lack of prior investment, which we've talked 647 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:05,020 about on prior podcasts regarding the football program 648 00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:08,420 in that period from, you know, really the post World War 2 up 649 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:12,060 to the beginning of the 21st century, it wasn't a very 650 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:14,020 attractive program for people to come coach at. 651 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:18,060 And it didn't mean that you didn't attract some good people. 652 00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:21,270 I mean, Lee Corso was a a pretty good college football coach. 653 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:25,550 So is Bill Mallory. I've always felt like the idea 654 00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:30,190 that the job's unattractive is, you know, if that's. 655 00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:33,150 I think at the end of the day, coaches talk a lot. 656 00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,910 This happens in basketball, too. Remember we, we consistently 657 00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:39,110 heard, oh, coaches don't want to go to IU to coach basketball. 658 00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:42,110 There's too much pressure and it's like, well, a lot of times 659 00:36:42,110 --> 00:36:44,550 the coaches saying that are the ones that are talking to the 660 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,320 media about that are coaches in low pressure situations who may 661 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360 just not want to coach in a high pressure situation. 662 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040 But there's plenty of coaches who are ambitious and every 663 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,760 coach at the end of the day feels like they can take on a 664 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,880 program and take it to new heights. 665 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,160 I think where Indiana has done themselves favors and and where 666 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,800 the Big 10 has certainly done I you a lot of favors, is that 667 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,600 financially Indiana is now a, you know, a cut above most of 668 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:17,070 the other programs in FBS. Yes, certainly a cut below the 669 00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:19,750 programs that are bringing in huge amounts of money in their 670 00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:24,990 own conference or in the SEC. But I think for a coach that 671 00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:27,390 wants to take the next level, you want to coach in the Big 10, 672 00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:30,710 you want to coach in the SEC. And Indiana is one of those 673 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:34,590 programs, and it's not that tremendously different from a 674 00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:40,080 coach taking the South Carolina job or the Vanderbilt job or the 675 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,920 Mississippi State job. I mean, these are not 676 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,360 necessarily they're, they're more attractive than Indiana, 677 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,520 yes. But relative to the strength of 678 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,960 their conferences, they're not that attractive. 679 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,440 And I think you've seen enough between, you know, the last four 680 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,480 years of Kevin Wilson's time and the first four years of Tom 681 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640 Allen's time. I think you most coaches have 682 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,920 seen enough to think, well, I can win at Indiana. 683 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,820 Maybe it's a stepping stone job for somewhere else, you know, 684 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:07,940 but I can go there and I'm going to have all these financial 685 00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:10,380 resources and I'm able to out recruit a lot of people, maybe 686 00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:13,940 not the the upper echelons of my conference, but certainly you 687 00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:18,260 know when I'm in fights now with ACC schools or Big 12 schools, 688 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:21,580 I'm going to have some financial muscle behind that, you know. 689 00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:25,140 So I think, I think I think the jobs always had some level of 690 00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:29,700 popularity or or or or draw. I think Indiana to some degree 691 00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:33,020 has has kneecapped itself a little bit in terms of who it 692 00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:38,220 goes out and looks for and that, you know, you think about it 693 00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:41,260 with basketball and you know, there were certain coaches that 694 00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:44,220 Indiana just wouldn't consider in the past few cycles because 695 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:48,100 of the culture around IU. And I think with football that 696 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,140 has been just as extreme. Or it's been people hiring 697 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:54,940 people that they have personal relationships with, which is why 698 00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:57,500 Jerry Dinardo ended up getting the job here. 699 00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:03,660 So that I think IU has made some bad choices in coaches and that 700 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:07,450 has been interpreted as people aren't interested in coming to 701 00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:10,290 IU. Money helps to trump a lot of 702 00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:12,250 that. And I think IU is an attractive 703 00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:15,770 job if IU to some degree overpays for the talent it 704 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:17,610 needs. Because as we talked about on 705 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:21,850 the last podcast, the reality is the football infrastructure is 706 00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:26,330 not here at this point. And it can be, but it has to be 707 00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:31,610 developed and you're going to have to convince someone that 708 00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:35,910 this is a place where they can build a platform and become very 709 00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:39,350 successful and that they're going to have, you know, the 710 00:39:39,350 --> 00:39:42,790 ability to build the way that they need to. 711 00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:45,230 That isn't necessarily the way the program's been built up to 712 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:46,750 this point. That's going to be the big 713 00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:49,510 question, Mark. And you know, so I think the 714 00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:52,950 financial aspects, the facilities aspects can certainly 715 00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:55,030 get better, but I think that that they will. 716 00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:57,610 A lot of it is, you know, you're probably going to have to 717 00:39:57,610 --> 00:40:01,730 overpay relative to what other schools in the mix would have to 718 00:40:01,730 --> 00:40:04,050 pay for a quality coach. But I think you have to do that 719 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:05,850 if you're IUI don't think you have a choice at this point. 720 00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:09,810 Let's see couple other questions. 721 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:14,250 Tyler Rails asked, for those of us that don't understand the 722 00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:18,730 do's and don'ts of journalism, why when IU said why when Walt 723 00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:22,130 Bell said IU was a run first offense, did no media member 724 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:27,090 follow up and ask why that is? I get fans can be crazy and 725 00:40:27,090 --> 00:40:29,650 think questions which cross the line should be asked, but that 726 00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:32,490 seems fair play. I mean, you know, look, I think 727 00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:36,610 what you have to understand with journalism and the way that 728 00:40:36,610 --> 00:40:42,290 college sports get covered is that journalists don't want to 729 00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:44,850 go into a press conference, whether it's basketball, 730 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:50,690 football or whatever, and get into a debate with the coach 731 00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:53,210 about what they say. A lot of journalists, their 732 00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:56,330 perspective is, well, OK, that's what the coaches said. 733 00:40:56,330 --> 00:41:00,050 That's what we're going to write when we're analyzing it or when 734 00:41:00,050 --> 00:41:02,530 we're talking about it on a podcast afterwards. 735 00:41:02,890 --> 00:41:05,810 Maybe that at that point is like, well, that's odd. 736 00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:08,330 That doesn't seem like it matches what Indiana's got in 737 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:10,770 terms of personnel. But the press conference is 738 00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:12,050 generally not the time to do that. 739 00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:14,930 You're there to ask questions, to have the people talk. 740 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:18,130 You're not necessarily there to call out the answers unless it's 741 00:41:18,130 --> 00:41:22,220 something like egregious or something that is that you know 742 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:25,380 where there's a clear problem that hasn't been addressed or a 743 00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:29,100 or a clear question that should be asked because it has broader 744 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:30,780 implications. I think a lot of journalists, 745 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,900 you know there's you're, you know what you want to get out of 746 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:39,060 the the the questions you're going to get those questions. 747 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:43,180 But entering into an additional back and forth or debate just 748 00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:44,420 doesn't really happen that often. 749 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:46,620 And then that's not limited to Indiana. 750 00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:48,620 I think that happens in a bunch of different places. 751 00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:52,580 Most of the time the questioning about the responses comes 752 00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:55,700 outside of the press conference. And I think the idea that you're 753 00:41:55,700 --> 00:42:00,180 going to have, you know, a prime minister's question style back 754 00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:02,820 and forth, where the head coach is, you know, facing an 755 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:06,420 inquisition from journalists or anybody else, that's just not 756 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:07,740 going to happen. I mean, it doesn't happen on the 757 00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:11,100 coaches shows either. You know, coaches come out, say 758 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,500 what they're going to say. And I think that it's perfectly 759 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:17,760 reasonable in a lot of cases for than journalists and and 760 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,160 analysts to go back and evaluate those answers and say, OK, well, 761 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,760 this is what Indiana's trying to do or wow, that doesn't make a 762 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,400 whole lot of sense. Why did they say that? 763 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,160 But there are circumstances where I do think some tougher 764 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,320 questions could be asked when it comes down to what if people, 765 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,960 what if the coaches said over time and then what has actually 766 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,800 been seen, You know, and I think that there's philosophical 767 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,240 questions. We talked about the, you know, 768 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,680 not naming the quarterback thing. 769 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,760 You can ask the question like what you know, Why do you feel 770 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,880 that gives you it? Is it is an advantage that it 771 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,320 gives you? Why do you feel it gives you an 772 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,280 advantage? Do you feel it has negative 773 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,320 impacts on your team? But you've also got a limited 774 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,240 number of time of of opportunities to ask questions. 775 00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,960 You may not want that particular answer. 776 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,280 So I don't know if that helps explain things a bit. 777 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,760 But generally speaking, I guess the the broad based answer is 778 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,560 journalists are going to go in and they're going to have 779 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,140 questions. And if you go back and you 780 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:13,820 really what I would suggest for everybody, you get a real good 781 00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:17,940 insight into the the mentality behind the questions that get 782 00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:20,900 asked in press conferences. The transcripts are all up on 783 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,660 iuhoosiers.com. Go read those, they're normally 784 00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:25,860 up on other teams websites, read those as well. 785 00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:29,420 And then if you can figure out who's actually asked the 786 00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:32,740 question and then look at what they've written afterwards or or 787 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:36,100 what the television package was that the reactions from that 788 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:39,910 that question, you know, engendered, you can kind of get 789 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:43,550 a sense of why questions get asked and why follow-ups may not 790 00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:46,390 get asked. And that's just kind of how the 791 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:49,510 system works. And it's it's rare, especially 792 00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:52,950 at the college level, for there to be a lot of back and forth or 793 00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:58,710 probing into an answer. Even if at the time as a 794 00:43:58,710 --> 00:44:00,350 journalist you're like, that doesn't make a whole lot of 795 00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:01,470 sense. You're generally going to save 796 00:44:01,470 --> 00:44:05,550 that for later. Let's see. 797 00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:09,050 We had a question from Robert Holbrooke. 798 00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:11,730 Do you think Tom Allen is one of Dexter as a starter all along, 799 00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:13,850 which is why he hasn't been able to commit to either Jackson or 800 00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:14,970 Soresby? It's a good question. 801 00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:18,650 I think Allen certainly found a level of comfort with the way 802 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:23,330 Dexter Williams played the game last year that made him want to 803 00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:25,810 build the offense around Dexter, which is essentially what they 804 00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:27,890 tried to do the last 3-4 games of the season. 805 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:32,430 And the type of attributes that Dexter brought to the table seem 806 00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:35,110 to really dominate Tom Allen's thoughts about what type of 807 00:44:35,110 --> 00:44:37,150 quarterback you wanted to bring in and what offense he wanted 808 00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:41,870 that quarterback to run. I, to some degree wonder if Alan 809 00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:45,630 going into the season with Jackson and Soresby is the the 810 00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:48,510 two players who were going to be available to start at the 811 00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:51,830 beginning of the year. You know, I do wonder if Alan 812 00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:55,590 said to himself, well, I I feel like I've got my starter and 813 00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:58,430 Dexter Williams and I have to tide things over until he's 814 00:44:58,430 --> 00:45:01,150 healthy again. And I don't want to bring in a 815 00:45:01,150 --> 00:45:03,550 quarterback who's going to play a very different system. 816 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:06,310 And I also don't want to bring in a quarterback who's going to 817 00:45:06,310 --> 00:45:09,550 be a a direct obstacle to Dexter starting. 818 00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:13,750 We've heard Dexter's name brought up so much by Allen over 819 00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:15,830 the course of of the press conferences. 820 00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:19,070 Really even going back to August it's clear that Dexter Williams 821 00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:22,990 is on his mind in some capacity as far as being a starter. 822 00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:25,510 I think it's a it's an insightful question, Robert. 823 00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:28,090 I think it's very possible that that's been bit of mentality 824 00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:32,290 around all of this and again I have my questions on that. 825 00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:36,090 You know both because of the injury that Dexter suffered and 826 00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:39,930 the style of play that he he is is executing. 827 00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:42,850 When he's out there or or shown that he will execute and just 828 00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:45,730 you know you've got good receivers on this team. 829 00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:49,610 What we saw when Dexter was playing didn't really take 830 00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:52,530 advantage of those and that feels like a wasted set of 831 00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:55,250 talent that at that point. But we'll see. 832 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:57,690 I guess we'll find out as as this game gets ready to get 833 00:45:57,690 --> 00:46:01,890 going and that'll come up here in less than 24 hours from when 834 00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:03,010 you're probably listening to this. 835 00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:05,530 So, So good questions everybody. I'm sorry I didn't get to 836 00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:07,890 everyone's, but we hit the 45 minute mark and it's probably 837 00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:11,850 time to shut this one down prediction for the weekend. 838 00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:14,930 I would love to predict an Indiana victory here, but like 839 00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:18,610 every metric is pointing in the favor of Rutgers. 840 00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:23,330 And I don't really like to pick emotionally just because I want 841 00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:26,370 something to happen. So I think Indiana will come out 842 00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:30,890 and play well for the first couple of quarters. 843 00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:32,930 I think they might even be leading at halftime. 844 00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:36,770 I think Rutgers, though, is going to be able to figure out 845 00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:39,330 how to stymie what Indiana's trying to do on offense. 846 00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:44,730 And so I think Rutgers covers in this game. 847 00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:46,810 I think that Rutgers probably wins. 848 00:46:46,810 --> 00:46:53,050 I'm going to say 24 to 20 in this game. 849 00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:56,930 I think IU, you know, is able to move the ball a little bit, 850 00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:58,530 especially early. I think they've got a couple of 851 00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:02,330 good special teams plays, but I just think Rutgers is a little 852 00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:04,610 bit stronger and I guess the 2420 they wouldn't cover. 853 00:47:04,610 --> 00:47:09,770 So let me adjust. Sorry, let's say 24 to 18 854 00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:14,890 Indiana loses this game. Rutgers is just good enough 855 00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:18,330 defensively and Indiana has shown so little offensively. 856 00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:20,970 It's hard for me to imagine that Indiana's going to be able to 857 00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:24,330 score the 20 or more points that they're going to need in order 858 00:47:24,330 --> 00:47:27,450 to win this one. So unfortunately, I have Rutgers 859 00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:29,130 winning. Hopefully I'm wrong. 860 00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:31,090 We'll see what goes on with this one, but that's where 861 00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:33,610 everything's at with this one. So thank you all for listening. 862 00:47:33,610 --> 00:47:36,250 I really appreciate it. Thanks to our friends at Home 863 00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:38,130 Field Apparel. Be sure to check out the pop Up 864 00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:41,330 store at The Graduate. And my thanks to the entire back 865 00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:45,260 home network assembly call. We'll be recapping everything 866 00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:47,340 with Hoosier Hysteria. We'll talk about it a little bit 867 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:51,420 on Sunday as well with our post game wrap up podcast for all 868 00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:53,540 those folks. I'm Galen Clavio, thanks for 869 00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:55,460 joining us here on Crimson Cast. We'll catch you on the flip 870 00:47:55,460 --> 00:47:57,100 side. Bring back the Bison. 871 00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:58,340 So long, everybody.