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You're listening to the back 
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field apparel. 
Hey, welcome back to Crimson 

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Cask ale, and klaviyo, Scott 
Caulfield joining you once 

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again, it is the 3rd of February
and it is Purdue weak-ass Alan, 

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Scott as we were doing our 
priests. 

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A show. 
Chat that I did. 

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I think I've done more podcast 
this week than I've done in any 

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week since the last time we had 
Purdue week. 

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Something about this week just 
brings it out at Ascot as we are

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absolutely. 
We are the people's podcast, we 

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will give you folks what you 
want when you want it and that's

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essentially what the this week's
been about Scotsman podcast and 

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a lot to. 
He's got one coming out later 

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today. 
It's tis the season. 

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I mean, we don't get many ranked
matchups between Purdue in 

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Indiana, right? 
I feel like we need the meme of 

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like from Gladiator. 
Like are you not entertained 

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right? 
Which they probably aren't if 

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we're being honest with 
ourselves that is stated to the 

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thumbs down. 
Yeah she'll walk he's finished. 

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Giving us the thumbs down. 
That's right. 

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First time ever I listened to 
you and chronic talk which is 

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always good. 
But first time ever that produce

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number one come in. 
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It's it's interesting because I 
mean neither team has 

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necessarily held up their end of
the bargain with this. 

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I mean as much as we like to 
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all the attentions on North 
Carolina duke or some of these 

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other rivalries across the 
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And, you know, some of that is 
ESPN puffing up their own media 

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Enterprise, you know, certainly 
you can you can, you know, be 

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upset about that. 
But the reality is that this 

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game should be more special. 
This is the basketball stay, 

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that's the state. 
It may not be the state with 

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necessarily the greatest 
basketball players, top to 

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bottom but it has a lot of 
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And Times, great basketball 
players. 

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And it is certainly the state 
where the most, I think the 

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highest low number of people 
care about the sport over 

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football. 
And yet, the last really 25 

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years have been these two 
programs trading off, like, who 

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can miss manage their program, 
the hardest. 

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And that, you know, that's an 
unfortunate because you think 

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back to the 80s and 90s and it 
really was one of those 

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situations where it felt like 
Every year, these two teams were

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in the mix, Indiana was in the 
mix for national titles. 

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Big, you know, Purdue is in the 
mix for Big Ten titles and there

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were some great battles. 
It is kind of interesting that 

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produce never come in. 
Number one, and I'm fascinated 

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to see how that all plays out 
its unique. 

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That like, here we are in 2023. 
We're still getting something 

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new out of this rivalry. 
I think that's cool. 

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No, it's it is true. 
How do you ask? 

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Chronic that question? 
You know, what's your favorite 

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IU Purdue memory for? 
Be like, I was thinking through 

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it. 
It's tough because it's like, 

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it's almost as if like the 
reverse of that all about memes 

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today, like the reverse, the 
Spider-Man pointing meme. 

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It's like, you know, whenever 
the last 15-20 years, whenever I

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use been good produce like yeah 
we're going to be bad and 

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whatever. 
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whenever I use been bad for, 
he's like alright we're going to

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go ahead and be good. 
They've been very like, you 

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know, cyclical and anti, you 
know, not syncing up at the same

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time. 
This is probably the first time,

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you know, you know, last year, 
obviously, we beat them. 

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I don't think a lot of people 
thought we were great. 

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Eight going into that game. 
This is one of the first times 

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we've both kind of had our 
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somewhat together for Purdue 
obviously very much together in 

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a long time. 
I'll answer that question you. 

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I really enjoyed the game when 
Glenn Robinson came in the 

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student section was just like 
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If memory serves rightly, he 
dunked in like flipped off the 

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student section, got a technical
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I remember going to the games 
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know, Brian Cardinal and like 
Luke wrecker, but Oddly enough 

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like, you know, last year's game
is way up there, like that was 

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really a great win against a 
really good Purdue team, but I 

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would probably say the Glenn 
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You know, first Glenn Robinson 
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pretty cool to watch, and he 
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but it is the other thing with 
Purdue that, that's interesting.

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I know, that, you know it 
because you're like a basketball

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encyclopedia, but I'll talk with
other friend here about, you 

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know, just, you know, getting 
Indiana mr. 

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Basketballs like, you know, just
kind Of Indiana recruiting and 

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he was like, what's up, you 
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That's Purdue like this. 
Get all the Indiana. 

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Mr. Basketballs. 
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you go back and look at it. 
Like they've gotten the last two

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but before that you know for 
listeners out there just ask 

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yourself when was the last mr. 
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Glenn Robinson and that's it. 
They've gotten three like in the

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history of Indiana. 
Mr. Basketball they really 

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haven't like they've really done
this and to the credit of 

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painter, kind of doing it around
the edges and getting a lot of 

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guys who are kind of that second
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No knock. 
You know, it's like kind of what

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you're Brad Stevens did it 
Butler but you know, if I'm 

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rambling, no, no, it's little 
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narratives that just gets tired 
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It really is the whole like 
who's got the you know, the who 

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does the best job of recruiting 
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Who does the best job of pulling
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I mean in the 80s like you know 
Purdue pulled in some really 

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good players from the state of 
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That the that I you didn't 
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recruiting players from 
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certainly. 
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success with those players than 
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but it's never been a situation 
where one school or the other 

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actually grab the best players 
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And that's important to 
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And it's interesting because 
there have been players that I 

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use lost out to Purdue on that, 
haven't panned out and vice 

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versa. 
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I wish we would just retire. 
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it just gets kind of tiresome 
because it's just like you. 

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These things. 
These teams are always greater 

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than the sum of their parts and 
some of the best IU players came

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from outside the state. 
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came from outside the state and 
some of the best in State 

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players for both were not Mister
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It's like Calbert cheaney. 
Not mr. 

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Basketball, you know, I mean, 
you can go down the list and all

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the whole team of the e'twaun 
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And like, none of those guys 
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Bascomb, right? 
You know, I mean, there's a 

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jQuery right now is Running this
whole on Twitter about who was 

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you're like most hated school 
rival for the other team like, 

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which player just like made your
blood boil and, you know, the 

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name that keeps popping up over 
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your neighbor. 
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Brian Garden, right? 
It says, it's got to be Bright 

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Car. 
Ryan Cardinals, not from 

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Indiana, Brian Cardinals from 
Illinois. 

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Brian Cardinals. 
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for for the fighting Illini 
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So, like it's just, it just goes
to show like this, this rivalry.

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Great. 
And it's very much an in-state 

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thing. 
And I wish it was a better 

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rivalry because I wish the 
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would have been better. 
It's cool that they're both 

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ranked coming into this week, 
but it is a tapestry that is a 

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bunch of people. 
Some of them from in-state some 

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of them from out of state, you 
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that you look at the two 
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Who are the most iconic at least
in modern times for these two 

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programs and neither of them are
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Bob Knight Ohio, Native Gene 
Keady, Kansas native. 

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It really is a much broader 
rivalry than just being 

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something separated by 110 miles
in the middle of the state of 

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Indiana. 
You know, Scott who wins in this

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rivalry, not produ not Indiana, 
its own field apparel, home 

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field apparel always wins and 
you know they have amazing 

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apparel for both. 
If you are an IU fan and you're 

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listening to this, you're 
getting pumped up for the game 

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if you reproduce fan and you're 
so obsessed with. 

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I you that you're actually hate 
listening to this podcast for 

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some reason because you have 
nothing else, very pretty like a

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very pretty like yes. 
I use sucks at everything. 

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Yeah, you're out. 
Cleaning your garage or 

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something right now or, you 
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and you're like, you know, 
you're listening. 

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I gotta hate these guys at 
Crimson cast. 

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Well, look, you can hate us all 
you want but we want you to save

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money on great College apparel. 
And you can do that at home 

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field apparel because they have 
tremendous selections of both IU

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and Purdue gear. 
They just did refresh. 

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Is of both schools. 
I am contractually for bit 

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different, you know, prohibited 
from saying anything nice about 

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produce apparel. 
I actually think Purdue's 

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apparel looks awful in general 
from anybody, but home-field 

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apparel, but somehow they 
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look good. 
Which I did not think was 

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humanly possible if you're an IU
fan, some like, I just got a new

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crew neck, there's some new 
hoodies, there's some T-shirts, 

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there's a bunch of amazing 
stuff, go and check it out, use 

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Percent off your first order and

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that won't be your last order I 
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So home-field apparel.com, they 
are primary sponsor here on the 

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back home network. 
So, anyway, we've talked about 

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little question, go ahead and 
put we get into the yeah. 

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It's a little bit of little bit 
of Pretty Hate to start this off

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talking with a buddy. 
I believe this, I want your take

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as also a buddy of mine, I want 
to talk to you. 

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Thanks, you know. 
I go on record saying last year,

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Purdue losing to St. 
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When That bracket just opened up
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Yeah. 
When you know and I said that 

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was probably painters best team.
Like that was just you all put 

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together the most talented team 
for them to kind of, you know, 

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shit out in the sweet 16 against
a 15 seed, I thought was just 

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really soul-crushing. 
The fact they've come back has 

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been impressive. 
I think you and cried touched on

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this like last year's team for 
Purdue I think was more 

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talented. 
This year's team might be a 

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better team, just an overall 
playing team but it does beg the

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question. 
If painter can't get this team 

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to a final four like this 
two-year run, where you have 

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this kind of talent and this 
kind of team, if he can't cash 

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it in this time, you know it 
kind of makes me wonder. 

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Like will he ever be? 
It's similar to like we talked 

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about Glenn Robinson like you 
look back and say wow that was 

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probably Jean, Katie's best shot
like that was the shot it did 

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they lost to like Tennessee or 
wait when what year? 

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When they lost a Glenn Robinson,
they lead 8. 

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It was there is no. 
They lost to Duke. 

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They beat. 
It's right or not. 

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Oh yeah, babies in Tennessee. 
Maybe was again to. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
But anyways like you look back 

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that was like I do wonder if 
they can't get it. 

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Done this year of getting to the
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They had, you know, these 2 
year, run. 

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You do Wonder Will Painter ever 
get it done? 

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I mean, I think it's a 
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painters Mentor, you know, the 
guy he played for Gene. 

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Katie, never got it. 
Done and look Purdue had a lot 

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of really really good teams in 
the 80s and 90s. 

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They had a lot of really good 
players and there was always 

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something that just was slightly
missing from Jean, Katie's 

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Purdue teams that kept them from
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Now some of that was bad luck in
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in 86, I think they had to play 
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like they know they had the one 
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basketball in 1988 and they lost
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they lost in, you know, in 1994 
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great Supporting Cast and they 
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The elite eight, I don't care. 
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in that bracket, you know, even 
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for them, like in 2000, they 
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somebody else in Miami was the 
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all the way to the elite eight. 
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that was not that great and they
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time, even got past the sweet 
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So I look at painter and I say 
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question that painter, he's had 
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losses. 
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broke. 
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know better cheat like yeah. 
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2019 when they're in the elite 
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Virginia pulls the game, like 
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sends. 
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losing that one. 
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good on offense and they're 
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on defense, you know, they're 
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that you mentioned this year's 
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one of the better defensive 
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whole run, at least from an 
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that the here's the The thing I 
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that this particular Purdue team
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regular season team. 
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win in the NCAA tournament and I
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that. 
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Indiana is but if you look at 
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where everything is you know 
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it's but it's also like in a 
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in the NCAA tournament. 
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that there's a profile that 
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that generally wins games and 
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involve a 7-foot for big man who
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the post and I think Edie has 
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improving himself as a player, 
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But I say all of that with the 
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Purdue team doesn't make a final
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think it's a moratorium on 
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final four because even though 
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team, I just don't think it's a 
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particularly well in the 
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think ultimately you know what 
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dissimilar from What gene Katie 
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complementary system, that's 
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but because it relies largely on
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same thing, their whole style of
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there's nothing wrong with. 
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it's so reliant on how the Big 
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week-by-week basis that when you
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environment. 
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two that doesn't work out 
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ultimately I think this team is 
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necessarily think that means 
that painter will never get to a

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final four. 
It's just that this group this 

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mix of talent as good as they 
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When you look at some of the 
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have to be out there that 
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tournament. 
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Well and it's but if like this 
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like the GK. 
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is to what you were saying is 
that first off with the big guys

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in the tournament I always think
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my dad, this is like right after
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they got the elite eight done, 
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and Bloomington and he's just 
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I just you in the end he's a big
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Need a big guy to get deep in 
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that all like like who's like 
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chat homegrown like they're all 
out like all the guys you're 

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mentioning or not in the 
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don't get there and you are 
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particular time that was a 
pretty fan like a. 

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I'd buy some of the home field 
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would be like the team, the kind
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see like I want Alabama to get a
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Purdue fan, the last thing I 
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Alabama or Houston as the two 
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Probably Be a to Alabama could 
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the SEC tournament breaks. 
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of team if I'm pretty, I just do
not want to see. 

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I mean anyway, no II agree with 
retiring. 

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I agree with that because it's 
look there's and and so much of 

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the NCAA tournament is matchup 
based. 

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saying well pretty really 
doesn't want to see this type of

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team is necessarily 
controversial just like Indiana 

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doesn't want to see a team, 
that's really good at pressing, 

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you know, it. 
That's like their Kryptonite at 

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this point. 
So the, you know, but with 

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Purdue, it's interesting because
I do Wonder want to see a game. 

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We just want to see all the 
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We want to go back to like the 
right 1880s drawer. 

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Well, it's like who you're 
somehow get all the games in 

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Assembly Hall, but, you know, 
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you know, depending on how much 
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winds that they had against like
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This I talked about this in the 
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kosterman yesterday on mind your
banners. 

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This Purdue formula doesn't 
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road. 
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struggled in Road games. 
For the most part, you can take 

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the Penn State game out because 
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It was in the palestra not to 
Penn State has a great 

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atmosphere at home. 
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home for them, you know, but you
look troubled at Nebraska 

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struggled at Michigan State. 
Nobody, I mean, I you struggled 

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in Minnesota but Willis, excuse 
that one just kind of struggled 

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at Michigan. 
Only one by five, their struggle

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to Ohio State. 
Gold. 

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It's one of those interesting 
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We're even at Florida State 
who's god-awful this year. 

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They only won that game by 10. 
And that's not a margin. 

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You would have expected given 
how much better? 

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I mean, I think what, with with 
10 minutes left in that game, it

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was only a six-point game for 
Purdue. 

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So, you know, it is one of those
things where yes, it's matchup 

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dependent but it's also, and 
this is something I'm really 

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curious about for this weekend's
game against Indiana. 

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What is it about? 
About Purdue, is it that they're

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just invincible and they're 
playing really awesome? 

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Or is it that they've they 
managed to execute in the end? 

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But at some point especially 
away from home, perhaps that 

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luck runs out as they move 
forward, especially if they're 

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playing a team that has that can
speed them up that has a bunch 

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of files to throw at the post 
that can hit shots from outside 

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or from the mid-range. 
You know. 

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Those are all things that I 
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interesting to watch with that, 
Purdue team, moving forward. 

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And it's one of those things 
with Indiana where everything I 

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just described in Anna has all 
of those things, like they do 

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play at a much faster Pace than 
Purdue does. 

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They have shown an ability to 
hit shots from outside and from 

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mid-range, and they do have a 
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much as you'd hope given that we
don't know what the status of 

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Jordan Geronimo is but they have
fouls to throw exact Edie. 

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I think Indiana is actually 
somewhat well, suited to win a 

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game against Purdue away from 
Mackey Arena. 

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Those types of profile games are
going to be interesting for 

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Purdue to handle, because as 
much as I really, We think 

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Purdue has done a laudable job 
of figuring out a system that 

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works awesome for them. 
I don't know how much that will 

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travel throughout the rest of 
the season, because there's more

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film and more, you know, there's
more ideas now. 

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Okay. 
Here's how you attack Purdue. 

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And if you can get them out of 
Mackay where they get every call

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on the planet, it becomes a lot 
harder for them. 

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And look, I mean, look, I you 
get so, you know, more calls it 

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Assembly Hall than a way that's 
not an indictment necessarily on

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Purdue Yeah, whoo, back to the 
going, go into this matchup. 

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This question was posed to me 
and I was answering it, you 

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know, who do you think guards Ed
in this game? 

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Because it is you mentioned. 
We have a lot of fouls to throw 

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but like on one hand, say all 
right, well you know, you go 

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matchup matchup, you have Trace 
but it's like you can't trace 

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doesn't foul very much but that 
Edie also doesn't get, he 

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doesn't follow at all. 
Yeah, so again like and you 

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don't want to put trace on Edie 
because you don't want to pick 

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up early fouls and then it's 
like, all right. 

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So maybe put You saw them but 
then if race gets in trouble, 

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like so that's kind of my 
answer. 

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But then it's like you look down
the bench and it is it does get 

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Slimmer because it's like got 
renew. 

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That'll last what like three 
minutes for he gets four fouls 

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that he's out like and then your
point of geronimo's, not 

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healthy. 
You know, do you ders not 

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walking through that door 
fellas? 

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You know, do you look like Caleb
Banks? 

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Like it does. 
It is a tough question like who 

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does guard Edie. 
I think you're going to see 

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trace on him a bit, but I don't 
think you can have trace on him 

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for the majority of the game. 
Did you trace on the offensive 

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end? 
The also oh yeah, you can't get 

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him in foul trouble again. 
Yeah. 

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No look, I don't think the trace
Jackson Davis is going to be the

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primary defender on Zack Edie 
and I am vice versa. 

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I don't think he's going to be 
the primary Defender. 

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They're going to look to Ed to 
come across the post and try to 

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rim protect and make it hard for
Trace Jackson Davis to get shots

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up unquestionably and as far as 
who guards Edie I mean I think 

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you're going to need two people 
on Edie but you're gonna need a 

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lot of quick recovery, you know,
when you get into the post and 

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defend him and jumping back out 
again, I would imagine that it's

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going to be that rotation of of 
race Thompson, Malik renew. 

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And, you know, made it a child 
of Elmer do right now. 

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Well, just so, you know, we're 
glad we got workout, part of the

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issue being a part of it is 
going to be you you are, you has

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to establish aggressiveness from
the beginning, and it has to 

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understand this idea of that, 
you know, you have to set a tone

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that the officiating. 
Basically, you're taking a page 

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out of the Bob Huggins Playbook,
which is that they can't call 

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every foul, they weren't won't 
call every foul. 

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If you establish physicality 
early, you know, what are they 

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going to do? 
Start a riot and Assembly Hall 

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by, you know, calling a shitload
of fouls? 

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Probably not, you know, I mean 
now it's possible the last year 

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they did against race Jackson 
Davis but they didn't against 

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Michael dirr. 
And so this is where you have to

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be clever in terms. 
Like, all right, we are going to

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00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:29,000
have to defend our ground. 
Ed does a masterful job of 

444
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,600
committing, a lot of fouls 
without getting called for them 

445
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,100
because he does them away from 
the ball. 

446
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:36,700
He uses his lower body, which 
the officials generally aren't 

447
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:40,400
looking at to shove people and 
body people out of the way. 

448
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,900
And, you know, you can get mad 
at me saying that, but watch the

449
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:45,500
film. 
That's exactly what he does on 

450
00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,700
almost every possession. 
IU has to be ready for that and 

451
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,900
they have to be able and willing
to position themselves in spots 

452
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:55,700
where That doesn't happen. 
And if it you know, if it does 

453
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,800
you make Ed do it with such 
force that you forced the 

454
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,800
officials to call something? 
I think if you've got a rotation

455
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,700
of players and just real quick, 
I'll go ahead. 

456
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,900
I'm laughing inside because I 
agree with you 100% just 

457
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:10,300
jokingly you're like, but like 
this whole thing is based on the

458
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:12,400
fact that like you're putting 
your trust in the hangout 

459
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,200
officials, not to let things get
out of hand and to not to 

460
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,400
basically not suck and it's like
I'm already Hearing in my head 

461
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,800
like, you know, I remember the 
game you and I, you know, the 

462
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,100
Illinois game where Valentine 
called Eight, technicals on bob,

463
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:26,300
Knight like listening to Chronic
talk about the game where you 

464
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:28,800
know, people are throwing 
quarters in the game because you

465
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,900
know, because night threw a 
chair. 

466
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:32,700
It's like all basically night 
related but also we're rest that

467
00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:35,400
let things get out of hand. 
So it's like putting our. 

468
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,400
Remember, I remember this is 
gonna be like all the people. 

469
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,300
I want to put my trust in. 
It's not the relative ever. 

470
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:44,800
This is the same game in the 
same building where in 2017 

471
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,800
officials called a block, and a 
charge on the same play. 

472
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,300
Remember that was that? 
That was the Caleb swanigan. 

473
00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:53,900
Thomas Bryant. 
And that was both of their fifth

474
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:56,700
foul, so they were both out of 
the game and it's like, so, I 

475
00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:01,700
understand what you're saying, 
but this is where ultimately, 

476
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,500
I'll see the rest is be like, 
you know what, like, we're 

477
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,400
starting the game with Edie and 
Jackson a people thought the 

478
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,700
foul, you just want to mess with
it. 

479
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,800
Well, I mean, I, that's the 
thing, it's like you're fine. 

480
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,200
If you trade 3iu fouls for 
everyone, Ed foul. 

481
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:18,600
That's, that's an okay ratio 
right? 

482
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:21,000
Depending as long as they don't 
go to Jackson Davis, right, 

483
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,300
agree, right. 
You know, but to me, the bigger 

484
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:27,200
issue is outside of the post. 
I mean, I think Tres Jackson 

485
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,400
Davis and Zaki to, you're both 
going to get theirs. 

486
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:34,300
You know, I think that Davis is 
very likely to put up another, 

487
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,800
you know, you know, 20 and 15 
sort of game. 

488
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,000
I think Edie is very likely to, 
you know, to have a very 

489
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,300
efficient scoring game and get a
lot of offensive rebounds. 

490
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,700
And then from there, the 
question becomes who are the 

491
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,100
contributors outside. 
Now, this is the going to be 

492
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,200
the, you know, where jail in a 
jiffy know who's been. 

493
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,900
Bang. 
Very hot and very cold has to 

494
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,900
run very hot in this game. 
Because he right now is the only

495
00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:04,300
player that seems to be able to 
manufacture his own shot and do 

496
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,900
so you know, when he gets into a
rhythm where you can actually 

497
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,800
trust him hitting it, you need 
tomorrow Bates to actually show 

498
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,200
up and play basketball on both 
ends of the floor. 

499
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,900
If you're Indiana, you know, 
because ultimately like 

500
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,700
Indiana's gonna have to hit 
shots from outside are going to 

501
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:19,900
have to hit threes, they're 
going to have to hit some 

502
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,200
mid-range twos. 
They're going to have to accept.

503
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:27,200
Um, what essentially minimize 
the effect that Edie has on 

504
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,700
limiting shots, right next to 
the basket and they're also 

505
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:32,500
going to need to utilize both 
sides of the post. 

506
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:34,900
And I'm going to have to do a 
lot of good passing across the 

507
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:38,800
post to try to make it so that 
it is constantly in movement. 

508
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:43,300
But they're also going to need 
to have to defend Purdue on the 

509
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:46,000
outside. 
You look at what happened, you 

510
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,900
know, produce, not a great, 
three-point shooting team 

511
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:50,800
compared to Indiana. 
They're like four or five 

512
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,900
percentage points worse. 
On the season and yet, Purdue in

513
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:59,600
that Penn State game, they shot 
31 threes, they hit, 14 Mason, 

514
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,200
Gillis hit nine, threes in that 
game. 

515
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:04,700
That's what cannot happen. 
If you're Indiana. 

516
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:08,300
Like, you literally cannot have 
a situation where you're 

517
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:13,100
defending the post fairly well. 
And the other, you know, and 

518
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:17,000
produce got guys outside whether
it's Gillis or Ethan, Morton or 

519
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,800
Fletcher, lawyer, knocking 
shots, down or Braden Smith for 

520
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,200
that matter. 
So I look at it like, The Ed 

521
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,800
Trace tracks and Davis matchup. 
I'll you can almost think about 

522
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,200
that is that that's likely to be
a draw in terms of statistical 

523
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,500
contributions. 
How does Indiana's, two, three, 

524
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,700
four, five, six and seven 
compared to what Purdue's able 

525
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,500
to put out there. 
And if I'm Woodson, you know, 

526
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:44,200
I'm, you know, you've got to 
get, if you, if the ball goes 

527
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200
out to Miller Cotton other 
companies to shoot it 

528
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,800
immediately. 
Don't don't shot fake and move 

529
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,200
left. 
If you're Tamar Bates, you've 

530
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,000
got to keep an eye on. 
Where your guy is defensively 

531
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,900
through belleek renew, you can't
commit silly fouls, and 

532
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600
something awesome and brought up
yesterday, that I think is 

533
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,200
really well taken. 
I use got to stop committing 

534
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,700
stupid fouls like so many of the
files that they have picked up 

535
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,400
as much as we've complained 
about the foul totals in 

536
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,400
general. 
I use got like we fell a lot and

537
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,300
a lot of the fellows are just 
dumb Malik, renew three of the 

538
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,300
five. 
Fouls he committed in that 

539
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,100
Maryland game, we're just like 
it was like not thinking not 

540
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,900
being not having Awareness not 
paying attention to where you're

541
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,200
supposed to be on the floor and 
where your defense where the guy

542
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,800
you're supposed to be defending.
Is that cannot be now. 

543
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,200
I think I you at home with that 
crowd behind them, a 

544
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,200
mid-afternoon crowd. 
I think they're going to be 

545
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,400
really fired up, and really 
ready to roll? 

546
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,400
What's going to be interesting, 
is how Purdue handles that 

547
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,200
environment, and whether Indiana
can get on a couple of runs to 

548
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,900
give themselves some breathing 
room because I think the Purdue 

549
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,800
process doesn't work quite as 
well. 

550
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,300
When they're coming from behind.
And they really haven't had to 

551
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,500
face that through most of this 
season. 

552
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,600
Like they've, they've managed to
put distance on their opposition

553
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,900
relatively early in a lot of 
these games and that's managed 

554
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,900
to be the thing that's carried 
them to victory, in most cases, 

555
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:07,800
you know, they've had a couple 
of situations where they were 

556
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,700
pressed at the end the game at 
Michigan State's, a good 

557
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,900
example, and Purdue deserves a 
lot of credit for not letting 

558
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:17,300
that, you know, you know, swamp 
them at the end but that's what 

559
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:18,800
Indiana has to do. 
I don't think this is a 

560
00:28:18,808 --> 00:28:21,400
situation where if it's 
nip-and-tuck, the whole way that

561
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400
it's going to work out. 
Well, for IU because Purdue has 

562
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,700
demonstrated over and over 
again. 

563
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,000
They know how to win those 
games, probably more so than 

564
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,900
Indiana does, 100% on the fouls.
So many, the fouls happen 

565
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:36,200
because guys are in wrong 
position on defense or just get 

566
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,300
get beat and sometimes it's 
better, just to let them. 

567
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:42,800
Let somebody shoot, give up like
this, just let him go if you're 

568
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,100
especially you know, they do. 
Give up the to exactly. 

569
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,800
I was I was agreeing with you 
like it Indiana as we've talked 

570
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,100
about on this podcast has really
decided. 

571
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,700
But they are not going to worry 
about generating turnovers they 

572
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,100
and produce done the same thing.
Like, if you look at Purdue 

573
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,300
produce even more extreme 
statistically and that they 

574
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:06,900
don't force turnovers, and both 
of these teams essentially have 

575
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,800
stationed, their entire 
defensive effort around the 

576
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,900
other aspects of what we call 
the four factors for Purdue. 

577
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,300
They're graded offensive 
rebounding. 

578
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,200
They're great at not putting 
their opponents on the 

579
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,600
free-throw line I would say 
suspiciously so But that's 

580
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,500
another topic for another 
podcast, and they're also really

581
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,000
good at just limiting good 
percentage shots. 

582
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Indiana is really good at 
limiting. 

583
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,600
The opponent's percentages in 
terms of shooting, and they're 

584
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,100
pretty good and offensive 
rebounding. 

585
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,000
Because of Trace Jackson, Davis 
and race, Thompson, and Malik 

586
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,900
renew where they aren't, that 
great is what we just talked 

587
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:44,500
about, which is there the amount
of times they send the opponent 

588
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,600
to the foul line, a lot of it is
meaningless and you go through 

589
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,500
and you think about all the 
points in the an has given up in

590
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:55,600
games that are Ben 123 
possession games where, you 

591
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,300
know, you think about, oh well 
there was a point that they 

592
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,000
didn't need to give up because 
they filed on a made shop or 

593
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,500
there was a foul that they 
needed to need to commit. 

594
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,100
That gave an opponent a 
one-and-one or gave them free 

595
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,500
throws in a double bonus. 
That is Indiana's got to get 

596
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,400
that out of their system in this
game because they're not likely 

597
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,100
to try to, you know, start 
generating turnovers. 

598
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,400
And this is the wrong team to do
that against period. 

599
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,900
I think, you know, because the 
way that Purdue plays there, 

600
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,300
they're pretty controlled. 
They don't really turn the ball 

601
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,500
over that much. 
And Indiana doesn't either, but 

602
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,900
Indiana can't afford to play 
status quo and then keep putting

603
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:31,900
pretty with the foul line 
because it ends up being a 

604
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,600
double whammy for them. 
Totally agree. 

605
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,400
The other thing I will say is to
me this game, it kind of rests 

606
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,000
on the shoulders of Jalen Hood 
fee. 

607
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,700
No. 
Because and this is, you know, 

608
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:46,800
everyone's been saying this. 
I will say it as well. 

609
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,300
This is a game where I just 
think you so sorely Miss Xavier 

610
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:56,600
Johnson because What Xavier 
Johnson does so well that I 

611
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200
don't think he gets enough 
credit for is you know, he will 

612
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,400
attack and he'll be aggressive 
but it's normally after other 

613
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,200
things haven't worked like he 
does a very good job of managing

614
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,600
the game and, you know, trying 
to get the ball in the right 

615
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200
place and then he starts driving
and attacking it's normally 

616
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,200
after. 
Like all right, we've had two 

617
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,500
possessions or nobody's doing 
anything or you know we passed 

618
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:17,000
the cop and the cop passes back,
and that's when the savior's, 

619
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,500
alright, we gotta go. 
Someone's got to do something. 

620
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,400
I'm gonna do it jail, huh. 
Cioppino is wired, a little bit 

621
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,200
differently, not saying it's 
bad. 

622
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,400
Bad or worse. 
Just different. 

623
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Where, you know, you saw it last
game against marrow when he's 

624
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,500
not having it. 
He doesn't really kind of like, 

625
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,300
all right, I'm going to start 
finding the other guys, like, 

626
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,200
I'm just gonna take a step back 
his like I'm going to shoot my 

627
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,100
way through this and he didn't 
really was able to without able 

628
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,000
to shoot his way through this. 
And I think this, you know, this

629
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,100
is where you see the difference 
with, you know, where I you is 

630
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,400
that. 
And where Purdue is that is, you

631
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,800
know, and I'm not picking on 
jail, huh? 

632
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Chafee. 
No. 

633
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,600
Just it comes down to him 
because everybody else on this 

634
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,600
roster is just You know which 
tomorrow baits. 

635
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,500
Are you getting which you know, 
what is drawing to play by which

636
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:58,900
Trey Galloway? 
Are you getting? 

637
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,000
It's like you're either getting 
really good or bad. 

638
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,000
Like there's no like consistency
and then you look at like Purdue

639
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,600
Fletcher lawyer, when you look 
at his offensive ratings, just 

640
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,000
one stat to kind of look at, you
know, his lowest offensive 

641
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,900
rating of the year is 81 and 
it's been over 100 for most 

642
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,900
every game in the Big Ten - a 
couple. 

643
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,500
You look at Braden Smith, you 
know his lowest at You know, 

644
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,900
December 4th. 
He had a 71 offensive rating, 

645
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,800
its Minnesota since then. 
He's only been under 103 times. 

646
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200
It's like just a very 
consistent. 

647
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:34,800
Like even a bad game, he's 
either doing other things or 

648
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600
it's like some of the games 
were, he's not shooting. 

649
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,300
Well, like he's 0 for 3. 
He's only taking three shots. 

650
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,500
He's like all right, you know, 
pass the ball to other people, 

651
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,800
whereas again, not picking on 
jail Hood fee. 

652
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,200
No, but like the gaming, it's 
Marilyn is offensive readings 

653
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,400
32, like, he was 179 against 
Ohio State, but then, you know, 

654
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,700
52 against Michigan State. 
That was A because other guys 

655
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,400
were going bonkers, but this is 
where unfortunately, of Jalen 

656
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,900
Hood Ruffino is having a 
Maryland type game, where he's 

657
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:01,900
going to be at a 40% offensive 
rating. 

658
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,100
You basically need to hit you 
hit the slot machine on 

659
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,000
everybody else. 
You need best tomorrow, you need

660
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,600
best Trey, get you. 
Everybody's top level effort and

661
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,400
we just haven't seen that sync 
up enough this year. 

662
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,100
You have to assume some of the 
other guys are going to be kind 

663
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,800
of all and this is where Indiana
gets, you know, it's something I

664
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,600
always mention the beginning of 
the year. 

665
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,900
We look at This stuff. 
I've always guilty of it too, 

666
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:25,600
but we look at it like my God, 
we're so deep. 

667
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,700
Like, are we gonna find playing 
time for all these guys? 

668
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:30,200
Then it's like you get to 
February and we're going to be 

669
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,600
thin. 
Like I guarantee you're going to

670
00:33:31,608 --> 00:33:34,300
be thin and guess what is 
February? 

671
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,500
Were thin and that so I look at 
her Cioppino is like if he's not

672
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,800
having a great game. 
I don't trust that everybody 

673
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,100
else is going to be having the 
game of their life, kind of like

674
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,700
we had against Michigan State. 
So I look at him as like he's 

675
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,000
kind of the linchpin of this 
whole thing. 

676
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,700
I think if he's having a Ohio 
State type, Game. 

677
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,400
I think we have a really good 
shot at winning. 

678
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,000
I think if he's having a medium 
level game you're going to 

679
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,300
everyone else to be playing out 
of their minds but I think this 

680
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,500
really just highlights the 
difference between Purdue in 

681
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,300
Indiana's produce has a bunch of
guys where it's like even their 

682
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,400
off nights. 
There going to be an offensive 

683
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,900
rating of 95 or 100. 
And for us our guys off nights 

684
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:15,100
are just off its like they 
become basically unplayable. 

685
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:21,300
Yeah, I mean it's it's a real 
concern and it's tough because 

686
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,699
like, you look at Jalen Jaffe. 
Know what he's done. 

687
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:25,000
So many good things this year 
and he's clearly such a talented

688
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000
player, but he has been 
Mercurial. 

689
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,800
I think would be the best way of
putting a time. 

690
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,900
Even during the five-game 
winning streak, he had a pretty 

691
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,500
good game against Wisconsin. 
You had an awesome game against 

692
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:39,300
Ohio State, and then at least 
offensively, he really struggled

693
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:43,199
in in those three games in the 
middle and, you know, is for a 

694
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,699
different reasons. 
A lot of them though, were His 

695
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:49,000
shot just wasn't falling and 
it's hard to reconcile, you 

696
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,199
know, the, the performance he 
had, for instance against 

697
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,100
Illinois, where he goes 5412, he
Hicks a bunch of floaters and 

698
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,800
midranges doesn't take a 3 at 
all. 

699
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,800
It's hard to reconcile that with
Ohio State, where he just looked

700
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,000
completely in command of his 
shot and then turn around and 

701
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800
you play Michigan or excuse me, 
Maryland and it's just a 

702
00:35:07,808 --> 00:35:11,800
disaster like all the way around
offensively clearly forcing 

703
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,400
everything. 
So, yes, you know, it's tough to

704
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,600
Say well he's a freshman when 
you know Fletcher lawyer and 

705
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,900
Braden Smith or freshman and 
they're not having problems. 

706
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:25,000
But I think part of the issue 
and the reason for that is that 

707
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,400
it is really without Xavier 
Johnson. 

708
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,900
It is so incumbent upon Jalen 
Hurd, Ruffino to make the 

709
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,400
offense work, because he doesn't
really have a reliable backward,

710
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,200
make because a lot of these 
questions are these concerns. 

711
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200
We've had about consistency, you
can apply the same to Tamar 

712
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,500
Bates, you can apply the same to
Trey Galloway and Purdue because

713
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,800
they've been able to To Anchor 
their success. 

714
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800
In a very specific style of 
play. 

715
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,700
That is more reliant on 
positioning than it is on 

716
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:56,200
athleticism. 
It does feel like produce less 

717
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,300
likely to have guys having 
significantly bad games. 

718
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:03,200
Now, that means Indiana to some 
degree when it, when it's Feast 

719
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,200
time, it's really Feast time 
because all the cylinders are 

720
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,800
firing. 
I mean, we saw that with Tamar 

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,100
Bates, you know, a couple of 
games where he just starts going

722
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,800
off and, you know, he goes out 
against what was it? 

723
00:36:14,808 --> 00:36:18,700
Michigan. 8 and he ends up going
546 from 3. 

724
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,700
Now, we haven't seen that out of
Tomorrow, Bates, most of the 

725
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,500
season. 
In fact, you look at his 

726
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,200
performance from three. 
I think he's hit three more than

727
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,500
more than three threes just 
twice. 

728
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,400
More this season Once Was 
Jackson State, and once was the 

729
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,500
Nebraska game, but that's where 
this team is so frustrating. 

730
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,300
If you're an IU fan, because 
it's not a consistent product, 

731
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,700
it ceiling. 
And when everybody's playing 

732
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:48,900
well, Is really, really high. 
I mean, it's as high as produce,

733
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,600
but when the, but I don't think 
we've seen everybody play really

734
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,000
well in a game that matters from
start to finish so far this 

735
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,900
season, maybe the Xavier game 
comes the closest, but even that

736
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,100
like Carolina, maybe North 
Carolina. 

737
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:06,000
Yeah, I mean, but but, but even 
then it's like, well, North 

738
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Carolina was certainly not 
playing very well that game. 

739
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:15,300
So I all that to say, IU has to 
not Beat It. 

740
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:20,300
Self in terms of, you know, are 
you, are you making bad 

741
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,400
decisions with fouls? 
Are you taking or not taking 

742
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,600
shots? 
When you should? 

743
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,100
Are you overthinking, 
possessions, are you waiting too

744
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,000
long to get into The Possession 
Indiana's? 

745
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,700
Really got to be on their mental
game from the beginning. 

746
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,500
Now, I think they can do it and 
I think that they will be 

747
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:39,000
galvanized by how badly they 
played and yet still, we're in 

748
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,300
the game against Maryland, like 
it wasn't like, they were awful 

749
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,800
and lost by 20 or 25, you know, 
if Jalen Hurd Ruffino doesn't 

750
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,500
go. 
So skunky from the the field and

751
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:55,600
if I you commits a few less 
fouls in that game, they're 

752
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,900
probably leading with four 
minutes to go as opposed to 

753
00:37:57,908 --> 00:38:00,000
being down by three or whatever 
they were. 

754
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,500
And and that game is one of 
those, you hit it on the head 

755
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:07,200
with your podcast with chronic. 
It's like 70 years from now when

756
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,300
you look back and it's like it's
a 6655 loss and I can't just you

757
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:13,000
know we got yeah Pete in a row 
but it's like I'm with you that 

758
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000
would that felt like an 
opportunity to In that we just 

759
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,200
kind of let slip through our 
fingers, which is wild to say. 

760
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,800
For a 10-point look your 10 
digit plus loss, but I agree 

761
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200
with you like Marilyn was doing 
nothing to take that game from 

762
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,800
us they were playing as poorly 
as we were. 

763
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,500
We just kind of outpour, played 
them and it's tough because I'll

764
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:35,200
interrupt for a second. 
Like this is what I've been 

765
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,400
thinking about what this Purdue 
game but just larger term is you

766
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,800
know unfortunately we are fired 
up on the five-game winning 

767
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,900
streak and that was good. 
It kind of got us back to level 

768
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:47,300
and we saw what this team. 
Could be clicking, but 

769
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:51,000
unfortunately, where this team 
sits they just, they really 

770
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,100
can't not convert games that are
there for the taking when you 

771
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,800
lose three in a row to start the
year. 

772
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
And again, I owe, you know, Iowa
Northwestern, Penn State, you 

773
00:38:59,008 --> 00:39:01,100
know, tougher on the road. 
There's, there's reasons for all

774
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:04,800
those but you, you dug yourself 
a hole, like, you were 14 in the

775
00:39:04,808 --> 00:39:08,000
Big Ten. 
What I'm concerned about now is 

776
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,500
you're asking this team, you 
know, you got to go one in 1 or 

777
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,300
2 and 0 at home against one of 
the best. 

778
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:19,900
The country your rival and then 
back it up, three days later 

779
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:21,400
against a team. 
That's kind of been your 

780
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,800
Kryptonite and definitely has 
your number and Rutgers. 

781
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:27,000
And if you go into in those 
games which is very possible and

782
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,600
could not be an indictment on 
your team at all like this this 

783
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,500
IU team could still be just as 
good lose the next to suddenly. 

784
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:38,800
Now you're 6 and 7 in the Big 
Ten staring down a two game Road

785
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,100
Trip against a Michigan team. 
That's been faltering, but it's 

786
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,900
still a road game at Michigan, 
like it's still A road game at 

787
00:39:45,908 --> 00:39:47,800
Michigan. 
Then you got to go on the road 

788
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,800
and beat Northwestern where it's
like, you know, historically I 

789
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,500
you you're even doing that. 
It's like, well, they beat us 

790
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,700
this year, we do. 
No, no that's not why I'm 

791
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,200
shrugging. 
I'm just sorry. 

792
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,800
Sorry. 
But it's like this is what does 

793
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,900
concern me? 
And the last thing I'll say is, 

794
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,900
you know, you've talked about 
the psyche of this team, which 

795
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:06,900
it you wonder where it always 
is. 

796
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,700
And my concern is this has been 
built up this Purdue game. 

797
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Rightfully so and the fans are 
going to be Bonkers and it's 

798
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,800
like, this is going. 
Be the ultimate Assembly Hall 

799
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,500
home court advantage. 
If I, you doesn't win, which is 

800
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,300
very possible produce a very 
good teeth. 

801
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,100
How does this team mentally 
react to like? 

802
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:30,300
All right, two days later. 
It's like shoot, we just have 

803
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,600
like that was, you know, the 
crowds going to be a little 

804
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,000
letdown for Rutgers a good 
teams. 

805
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,900
Going to be let down like when 
you build everything up and then

806
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,300
you don't cash in. 
It's like, you know, we didn't 

807
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,200
win. 
Like we won last year, how does 

808
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,700
this team react? 
Because you've got to pick 

809
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:45,900
yourself up the mat quickly. 
And then If you don't beat 

810
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:48,200
Rutgers like all right, now 
you've got to go on the road and

811
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,100
you've got to salvage this, the 
season. 

812
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,100
The schedule does get a little 
bit softer, but it's still two 

813
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,700
Road games, and your home 
against Illinois. 

814
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,600
Like, this could also get away 
from us very quickly. 

815
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,200
And it's just, it makes me very 
concerned that we're looking at 

816
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,800
a two game homestand in, you 
know, 72 hours against two of 

817
00:41:05,808 --> 00:41:08,800
the best teams in the Big Ten, 
one of which is had our number 

818
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,700
one of, which is our rival and 
the number one team in the 

819
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,300
country, it's like, you got to 
win one of the two, it's asking 

820
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,200
a lot. 
Well, yes. 

821
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,400
However, as so, it's interesting
because we were talking about 

822
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,600
this on mind your banners 
yesterday this very topic and 

823
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,200
ultimately, yeah, it's tough. 
But this is a fulcrum point for 

824
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,100
IU basketball, it is. 
And, and look, we've talked a 

825
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:37,600
lot about the long Arc of the 
manner in which IU basketball 

826
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,900
has kind of fallen off of the 
radar nationally and a lot of it

827
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:47,000
comes down to the inability to 
perform at This time of year, we

828
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,500
you and you and I were talking 
earlier in the week, we talked 

829
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:54,200
about Indiana's, awful record in
February, over the course of the

830
00:41:54,207 --> 00:41:58,000
last seven years and not good. 
Bob, you know, and and 

831
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,600
ultimately what I look at with 
this, I you team I'm sorry if 

832
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,800
you guys all heard this on mind 
your banners but it's worth 

833
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,500
repeating. 
This is very similar to the 2012

834
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:13,100
season where Indiana started 
that season. 

835
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,300
They do they beat Kentucky that 
year. 

836
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,200
They were, they beat Michigan 
State at home. 

837
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,800
They beat Ohio State at a home. 
But then they lost a bunch of 

838
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,300
games in January, were five and 
six in the Big Ten and they 

839
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,100
actually played Purdue in that 
next game and they ended up 

840
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,600
having a tight game for most of 
it, but they ended up winning 

841
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,000
late by big like they won by 17.
They went on a late run and that

842
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,400
propelled them to only lose one 
game in conference the rest of 

843
00:42:39,408 --> 00:42:42,000
the regular season. 
And of course they go and they 

844
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,500
end up in the sweet 16 That 
season that to me. 

845
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Was a situation where an IU team
that had not performed at that 

846
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,200
time of year for many years 
suddenly did and it changed The 

847
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Narrative of the program. 
That's kind of how I look at 

848
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,700
these next two games right now 
than he ever to lose both of 

849
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:01,300
them. 
I mean, it's not a disaster in 

850
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:04,700
terms of Indiana, came in is 
going into going to this weekend

851
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:08,000
in almost every bracket. 
Projection is a five seed which 

852
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:12,100
that given the injuries sign me 
up for that. 

853
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,700
Like if that's if that was the 
outcome of the season, a 5C and 

854
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,800
Without having beaten Purdue or 
Rutgers, you know? 

855
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,900
So if they win either or both of
these games they're you know, 

856
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,400
they're treading water or 
getting slightly above that, 

857
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,100
Mark. 
I think as they head towards the

858
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,200
postseason, if they lose both 
they still got some time to fix 

859
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,200
things. 
But so much of what people want 

860
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,500
Indiana basketball to be rotates
around. 

861
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:42,800
This idea that these are the 
games that you win, you beat 

862
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Purdue regardless, especially if
they're ranked you. 

863
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,200
You ruin their ranking and you 
try to derail their season a 

864
00:43:49,207 --> 00:43:54,700
little bit you.you're playing 
Rutgers, who has been your, you 

865
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,500
know, your boogie man. 
Essentially your Nemesis over 

866
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,400
the course of the last several 
seasons. 

867
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,400
You've got them at home. 
They embarrassed you at home 

868
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,500
last year in a key game you beat
them. 

869
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,900
You establish dominance in terms
of being a top four teams in the

870
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:12,600
conference, like this is what 
Indiana basketball is all about.

871
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,600
And I did not have faith in 
either. 

872
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,500
Tom crean or Archie Miller to 
win these types of games because

873
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,900
they demonstrated over and over 
again that by and large, they 

874
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,900
weren't able to win those games 
at home, even in the 2013 

875
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,300
season, when Indiana ended up as
the number one overall seed in 

876
00:44:28,308 --> 00:44:31,700
the tournament, Indiana could 
have beaten, Ohio, State, and 

877
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:34,300
gotten the outright Big Ten 
title at home, and they lost 

878
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,300
that game. 
These were games. 

879
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,600
That always seem to be too big 
for IU, basketball in the 

880
00:44:39,607 --> 00:44:42,400
moment. 
You know, I'm really curious 

881
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,200
with, with Mike Woodson. 
What progress has been made 

882
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,700
since that? 
Rutgers game at home last year 

883
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:52,800
in March has this team really 
turned a corner mentally in 

884
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,600
terms of like you know what we 
can do this, we're going to go 

885
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,600
in we're going to beat Purdue, 
we're going to beat Rutgers, 

886
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,000
we're going to be 8 and 6 in 
conference and we're going to be

887
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,200
set up so that essentially as 
long as the bottom doesn't 

888
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,900
completely fall out, we're going
to be in really good shape. 

889
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
Come Big, Ten Tournament. 
I actually they'd be eight and 

890
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,900
five not 8 and 6 in conference 
at that point this is this is 

891
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,100
the fulcrum point. 
For Indiana and where it's at 

892
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:20,800
right now again, if they lose 
the seasons not over and there's

893
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,200
still a lot of basketball to be 
played a lot of opportunities 

894
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,100
for Indiana to recover but this 
is a golden opportunity. 

895
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,300
This is laid out on a platter 
for IU. 

896
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,700
These two games, you win these 
two games, you suddenly change 

897
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:37,000
the narrative even more not just
about the season but about what 

898
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,400
IU basketball is as a program. 
Now you to a large degree, you 

899
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,100
win, you put the last seven 
years or last six years, behind 

900
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:47,600
you, and You say the page has 
been turned, there's a new 

901
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,100
chapter that started. 
I don't know if they'll actually

902
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,100
be able to pull it off but I 
think that's what's in front of 

903
00:45:52,107 --> 00:45:55,000
them. 
And it's not entirely Fair 

904
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:57,800
because they're going to have to
do it without their senior 

905
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,000
leader at point guard. 
And they're going to have to do 

906
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,900
it with their Sixth Man or their
six year, senior post player 

907
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:07,100
still clearly hobbled but 
Indiana's. 

908
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,500
Italian today enough that they 
should be able to do it 

909
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,300
regardless of not having those 
two guys either at all or at 

910
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:15,100
full strength that's going to be
the really fascinating thing. 

911
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:18,100
This is also The game for 
Assembly Hall, you know, as much

912
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:21,100
as you know, people that I you 
love to talk about Assembly Hall

913
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,100
and the crowd and the natural 
Advantage. 

914
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,900
It doesn't show out nearly like 
it used to and I don't expect it

915
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:29,200
to because It hasn't been a 
great program. 

916
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,700
Consistently like there's a 
reason people fall in love with 

917
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:35,600
the Mackey Arena atmosphere 
right now because that's been a 

918
00:46:35,607 --> 00:46:38,400
program that people really get 
excited about going and seeing 

919
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:41,600
well that wasn't the case with 
Mackey Arena 10 years ago 

920
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,000
because they hadn't been that 
program for the previous decade.

921
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,500
And that's where I you is that 
this is Where, you know, you've 

922
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,900
gotta you gotta bring the Vibes 
back, you got to get people in 

923
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:54,200
there, locked in creating that 
Vortex that assembly whole 

924
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,200
generally creates in these sorts
of games and putting Purdue in a

925
00:46:59,207 --> 00:47:02,700
position where they feel 
intimidated by what's going on 

926
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,100
around them and, you know, 
that's where Indiana, it's not 

927
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,200
just the team. 
It's also the atmosphere. 

928
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,700
That's what I'm looking for in 
this one. 

929
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,500
Yeah, I completely agree and I 
agree on the fulcrum point. 

930
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:17,400
I also think, you know, they 
beat Purdue Do you know, we did 

931
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,300
that last year and then we 
turned around and lost to 

932
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,800
Michigan and was kind of guy? 
That's, you know, well, what do 

933
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,900
you do? 
Kids were excited. 

934
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:25,000
It's like, you can't have that 
again after. 

935
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,700
Like, this is we're past that 
point where we beat who does 

936
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,000
great, but there's still work to
do and it's funny. 

937
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,900
It's like almost the exact same 
time frame, like a two and a 

938
00:47:32,908 --> 00:47:35,500
half day turnaround between 
Purdue Michigan last year to 

939
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:39,100
Purdue and Rutgers this year and
I agree. 

940
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,200
And yeah, it's it is laid out 
where like, if we beat Purdue 

941
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,000
then suddenly, you know, not 
that. 

942
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,200
It's like Everything's changed. 
Its This is two years in a row. 

943
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,800
Purdue's brought really good 
teams and do Assembly Hall, you 

944
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,300
know, you rank them, we spank 
them, they come in, right? 

945
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,800
You know, whatever four and then
one and they can't get it done. 

946
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,200
And now it's like can produce 
one on the road and I completely

947
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,800
agree and for me as an IU fan, 
what I'm kind of tired of is, 

948
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,700
you know, I'm tired of not 
knowing what teams going to show

949
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:10,800
up, but I'm also tired of this 
like really tough position were 

950
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,600
in where it's like, oh man, 
every road game is tough in the 

951
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,500
big tenants. 
I got Minnesota taught like it. 

952
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:18,400
Ireland Rogue a, what do you do?
It's like, but then on the flip 

953
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,600
side, we know. 
Also that went home games like 

954
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,100
every home game. 
So it's like, we gotta have 

955
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,300
someplace where it's like, if 
Road games are tough in the Big 

956
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,800
Ten, which they are then home 
games should be the ones that 

957
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,900
like, okay, we can beat Purdue 
and Rucker. 

958
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,100
Like, there's nobody that we 
should be worried about at home 

959
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:34,100
and that's if we lose both of 
these games. 

960
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:37,000
That as a fan is just going to 
bug me because it's like, well 

961
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,600
shit, where where do we get our?
You know, where do we as a top 

962
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,500
team, get some rest, it can't be
that road games and home games 

963
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:47,200
are always tough. 
I mean, I'm so no I agree with 

964
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,100
you on the fulcrum piece that 
like if you win both of these 

965
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:55,100
games it does just it changes 
something and then it's like all

966
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,000
right now you have the wind in 
your sails like you said now 

967
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,500
even if the even if you lose the
rest of your road games, you're 

968
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:04,100
still going to finish above 500 
in the Big Ten. 

969
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,300
You have some really nice wins 
under your under your belt like 

970
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:11,400
it if you lose both of these 
games, you're kind of back to 

971
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,200
having some work to do. 
Yeah. 

972
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,400
And unfortunately Indiana just 
historically The under Mike 

973
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Woodson, but the last decade 
under archean, Tom crean, we've 

974
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,200
not done well, when there's work
to do in February and March, we 

975
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,700
just, we just haven't done well 
with that. 

976
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:30,000
It is clearly a big 10 this 
year, we're outside of Purdue, 

977
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,600
nobody's really jumping out of 
the pact between DL. 

978
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,100
I mean, s to 11th in the Big Ten
is separated, by two games. 

979
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:40,400
Rutgers in Illinois, or seven 
and four and Wisconsin's, five 

980
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,100
and six along with Penn State. 
And then you've got a six way 

981
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,400
tie for fourth. 
And Indiana's in that mix along 

982
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,700
with Maryland, Iowa, Michigan 
State, Michigan, and 

983
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:51,700
Northwestern. 
You in the next two beating 

984
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:55,400
Rutgers, you theoretically have 
the inside position to being 

985
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,300
second place in the Big Ten, 
maybe not quite because the 

986
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,900
schedules are like Rutgers 
schedule is. 

987
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,700
As while it's been harder, it'll
get a little bit easier down the

988
00:50:04,707 --> 00:50:07,200
stretch and they're projected to
win 13 games at this point. 

989
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,900
But your point is taken. 
These are important games 

990
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:12,400
because at the very least, you 
beat Rutgers and and /. 

991
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,900
Do you guarantee that you get a 
win against Purdue which Nobody 

992
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,500
else has been able to manage 
except Rutgers and you beat 

993
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:21,700
Rutgers and now there's no 
tiebreaker in favor of Rutgers 

994
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,500
for Big Ten Tournament, seating 
at Falls to something else. 

995
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,100
So I'm with you all on all of 
that. 

996
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:34,200
I think it's one of those 
situations where ultimately You 

997
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,800
know, the Big 10 is going to be 
rough this year and Indiana is 

998
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,100
not good enough with its current
Talent set up and it's injury 

999
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:43,600
situation to be better than the 
pack. 

1000
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,800
So they need to be basically the
best team in the pack knowing 

1001
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,100
that winning the Big Ten is not 
necessarily that's not you know 

1002
00:50:52,107 --> 00:50:53,500
that is not be the end goal this
year. 

1003
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:55,800
I'd love to win the Big Ten and 
be nice to, you know, to get 

1004
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,100
back on top but it's not going 
to happen this year for a 

1005
00:50:58,107 --> 00:51:02,400
variety of reasons. 
But if your ambition is to put 

1006
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,500
yourself back on the The map as 
a program. 

1007
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,200
This is the kind of game you win
against Purdue. 

1008
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:11,400
Next Tuesday is the kind of game
you win against Rutgers because 

1009
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,900
not only does that demonstrate. 
You can win those games at home.

1010
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,900
It means that you have the 
ability when you need to to play

1011
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:21,100
at a much higher level 
consistently for 40 minutes or 

1012
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,300
in this case, 80 or 85 or you 
know, whatever it ends up being 

1013
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:27,100
and that's that matters. 
Because ultimately, if you're 

1014
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,000
looking to the tournament and 
that's where Indiana fans, 

1015
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,500
really want to make a mark, is 
the NCAA tournament. 

1016
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,300
These are the types of tea. 
Names of the types of talent 

1017
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,500
Collections and coaching 
collections that you're going to

1018
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,600
have to beat if you want to make
a run in March. 

1019
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,400
So yeah, I mean look we talked 
about this a couple weeks ago. 

1020
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,200
It's hard for me to get too 
wrapped up. 

1021
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,800
I'd love to have a double by in 
the Big Ten Tournament but given

1022
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,400
how tight the Big Ten is like 
literally you can go from being 

1023
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,800
a double, bide team to a team 
playing on Wednesday with one 

1024
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,600
day's worth of results in this 
conference right now. 

1025
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,600
It is, it is not a situation. 
Ation where I think, you know, 

1026
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:09,200
if you, if you're in that 
anywhere in that mix, it might 

1027
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,900
just be bad luck and well, crap.
We only got to play Minnesota 

1028
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,000
once instead of twice. 
Where is this team got to play 

1029
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,600
Minnesota twice, that ends up 
deciding where you're finishing,

1030
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,400
no double bias could very easily
come up to like the what the 12 

1031
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,200
tiebreak is in the Big Ten. 
It's like I didn't know. 

1032
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,600
It was like number of soccer, 
you know, a soccer vicar is bad 

1033
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,300
like I didn't know it was like 
number of you know, time steel 

1034
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:31,600
metal stuff fell off the 
scoreboard. 

1035
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,000
Like after that she met we lost 
that But yeah, so it's gonna 

1036
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,100
come down to a weird tiebreak. 
The other thing that is nice 

1037
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:41,700
about this me, it's not a 
perfect allegory or analogy 

1038
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,800
because whichever one you want 
to use because they're both home

1039
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,200
games. 
But this is you know you 

1040
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,400
mentioned wanting to make your 
mark in March which I you fans 

1041
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,800
do I do as well. 
Not saying we're going to a 

1042
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,200
final four not saying that at 
all but this is a really good 

1043
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,700
example of what a weekend. 
What a second weekend in March 

1044
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:02,800
is going to look like like 
Purdue and Rutgers probably 

1045
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,400
flip. 
Being the team's to be better 

1046
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,900
and obviously playing neutral 
sites, but you're not doing that

1047
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,600
in the Big Ten season, but like 
back-to-back games against 

1048
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,500
Purdue and Rutgers in like a two
and a half day, span this pretty

1049
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:16,000
good and if you can win these 
two, you could tell this team. 

1050
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Like look, you can beat anybody,
but you can beat anybody 

1051
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,600
back-to-back games that you can 
turn around. 

1052
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,900
You can do this. 
So like once you get to March 

1053
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,100
and you're looking at playing, 
you know, to tough teams on a 

1054
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,800
you know on a Friday and a 
Sunday you have that in your 

1055
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,400
back pocket and so I often agree
with you but I completely agree 

1056
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,400
with you that this is this is a 
fulcrum point and I don't think 

1057
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,400
it's not awful because I don't 
think it's a fulcrum point where

1058
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,000
like if unfortunately as we've 
seen many two times at IU 

1059
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000
football were like if we take 
the wrong path suddenly were you

1060
00:53:49,008 --> 00:53:51,500
know in the wilderness for two 
and a half years, I don't think 

1061
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,200
it's awful if we don't win these
two games, I think it definitely

1062
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,400
puts us with work to do and puts
us in kind of a tougher spot and

1063
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,100
gets us all back with trust 
issues, I would say, but if we 

1064
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:05,200
win both of Them, I agree with 
you. 

1065
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,400
It's like there's a path higher 
that's available to us where 

1066
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,000
things could start to change and
we can. 

1067
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,900
It's just it is, it's a very 
interesting point. 

1068
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:19,700
I'd love to see us win. 
Both that said I as I look at 

1069
00:54:19,707 --> 00:54:21,700
this game against Purdue, I 
think it's going to be a very 

1070
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:25,100
close game. 
I'm just I'm nervous going into 

1071
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:27,200
it and I'm afraid we're going to
lose. 

1072
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,000
I just have a hard time seeing 
us win. 

1073
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,600
That's fair. 
I mean look I think you could 

1074
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:34,900
talk. 
Open the either outcome. 

1075
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:37,400
And and look, I mean, a lot of 
people last year were convinced 

1076
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,800
that I use going to lose at home
versus Purdue and it took yeah, 

1077
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,400
a Herculean effort from a player
that, you know, was not giving 

1078
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,500
Herculean efforts at least on 
offense for it to happen along 

1079
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:50,100
with a unicorn defensive effort 
by a guy who barely played. 

1080
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:53,400
Yes, I have a question. 
Sorry, I'm interrupting my sub. 

1081
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:57,300
You mentioned that about fantasy
who and that kind of was like, 

1082
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:59,700
whoa was not expecting that 
right? 

1083
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:03,400
If you were going to if we have 
another Herculean Propeller 

1084
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,900
copper, not expecting. 
Okay. 

1085
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:08,400
I mean that's who would be. 
It seems like the type of game 

1086
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,400
out of the blue were Miller cop 
like hits, four, threes and 

1087
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,500
finishes with like, 16 points 
and eight rebounds, which would 

1088
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:20,100
be very out of character. 
I mean, Miller cop has scored in

1089
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,500
double figures once since 
Christmas. 

1090
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,200
I mean, it's, he is not really 
contributed a whole lot of 

1091
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,500
offensively, you know, and the 
one game he scored in double 

1092
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,400
figures was Minnesota game when 
he played all 40 minutes. 

1093
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,300
That would be my pick. 
I mean, I think everybody else I

1094
00:55:38,308 --> 00:55:41,500
wouldn't be shocked if they 
contributed heavily. 

1095
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:44,500
Like you know if you no one's 
going to be surprised if Malik 

1096
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:47,400
renew goes for like 14 points, 
or if Jordan Geronimo comes out 

1097
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,300
and has a really good game or if
Trey Galloway hits a bunch of 

1098
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:52,300
shots because he's obviously an 
Indiana kid. 

1099
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:55,800
But at this point, I think 
Miller cop coming out and 

1100
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,300
draining a bunch of threes and 
completely unsettling. 

1101
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:00,900
Like, would produce trying to do
defensively that to me would be 

1102
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,000
the big. 
Wait, I wasn't expecting that. 

1103
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:07,400
That move I think that's a great
answer. 

1104
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,300
I hate that you took it but just
for fun for fun podcasting. 

1105
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:16,200
I will say my answer would be. 
It's one baby. 

1106
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,200
Laughs Anthony Leo. 
No me what your answers race 

1107
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,900
Thompson clearly. 
Yeah my answer is going to be 

1108
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,700
race. 
If race does the Arizona thing 

1109
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:28,700
where race just hits a bunch of 
Threes And really and there's a 

1110
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,400
world where I could actually see
that where race comes out and 

1111
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,500
you know he's obviously not 100%
is injury is still affecting 

1112
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,900
him. 
That's fine but he could shoot 

1113
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,400
and he could shoot like he did 
against Arizona and honestly if 

1114
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,900
he gets hot from three like he 
did against Arizona that would 

1115
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:47,900
cause produce some serious 
problems because now it's like 

1116
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,400
our we need someone to get out 
there and guard race Thompson. 

1117
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:54,500
And now it's like now that opens
up the inside for Trace Jackson 

1118
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:56,800
Davis. 
So if race goes for like 20 

1119
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,000
hits, six threes that would 
shock me. 

1120
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,800
But I also think that would be a
definite path to Victory. 

1121
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,500
Going back to what I was saying 
before you interrupted me the 

1122
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,200
the altar name of our pod, 
right? 

1123
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,300
Crimson Castor that before you 
interrupted me now. 

1124
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:17,800
The ultimately I think you can 
talk yourself into either way. 

1125
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,400
I've talked with IU fans who 
have said, I think we're going 

1126
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,300
to lose on Saturday. 
I've talked with Purdue fans who

1127
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:27,000
think they're going to lose on 
Saturday. 

1128
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:33,700
It's going to be a game that is 
you can talk yourself into 

1129
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,200
anything. 
I I look at it and I say 

1130
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,800
ultimately Indiana's. 
Got all the pieces in place to 

1131
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,700
win and they're going to have to
play an A effort all the way 

1132
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:48,700
through because Purdue is very 
likely to play in a effort all 

1133
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,400
the way through. 
And I think, if Purdue plays as 

1134
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,200
well as they've played in terms 
of finishing games on the road, 

1135
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,200
they'll win. 
But I also think that there's a 

1136
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,000
very likely scenario that this 
Anna team, they're not going to 

1137
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,800
be a they're not gonna be scared
of Purdue, and this is the 

1138
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,100
thing. 
Fans are scared of Purdue fans 

1139
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:16,000
are scared of the possibility of
losing to Purdue this IU team 

1140
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:20,200
beat Purdue at home last year 
and they were within a 

1141
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,700
possession of beating Purdue on 
the road. 

1142
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:26,500
So last year they are not afraid
of this / Duty. 

1143
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:31,100
Now that may not correspond to 
success on the floor on Saturday

1144
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:36,200
but I don't think it's going to 
be like that game in 2019, when 

1145
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,100
Indiana just got boat raced by 
Purdue at home. 

1146
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:44,000
I don't think it's going to be a
game like we saw in like 20 21 

1147
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:48,600
where you you know, Purdue comes
in and it just it felt like 

1148
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,500
Indiana was never quite able to 
get themselves into it Purdue 

1149
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:54,500
jumped out to an early lead and 
then Indiana just you know was 

1150
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,600
never fully able to engage and 
they had a bad offensive game 

1151
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,600
all the way around you know, 
look last year's Game against 

1152
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,900
Purdue was a curious one. 
In that Indiana really did a 

1153
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:10,400
good job of not letting Purdue 
do a whole lot offensively. 

1154
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,700
Just Ivanovich only had one 
three-pointer, made, you know, 

1155
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,800
that their biggest threat from 
outside that day and it being 

1156
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,100
Mason Gillis. 
Again, you know, guy that we 

1157
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:22,400
just talked about from, from 
earlier this week. 

1158
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,000
But I just, I look at this. 
I you team and I say themselves,

1159
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,600
they got over the mini hump. 
Last year of, can we ever beat 

1160
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,200
these guys? 
The answer is yes. 

1161
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,700
And they played them really. 
Tough on the road in the game 

1162
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,600
that didn't seem like it was 
going to go well for Indiana. 

1163
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,600
They only lose that game, 69 67,
and they were actually better on

1164
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,800
offense in that game that I 
think most people expected given

1165
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,200
that it was in Mackey Arena. 
So I'm not too worried about it 

1166
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:50,200
from that perspective. 
I think if Indiana is going to 

1167
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,200
lose, it's either going to be 
because they rack up a bunch of 

1168
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,800
dumb fouls or a bunch of fouls 
that completely change what 

1169
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,500
they're trying to do. 
And that is certainly a 

1170
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:01,900
possibility or they're just not 
hitting shots. 

1171
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:06,000
And I don't know what the answer
on that is going to be, but I 

1172
01:00:06,008 --> 01:00:08,200
don't go into this game with a 
lot of trepidation. 

1173
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,700
This is the kind of game that 
Indiana fans. 

1174
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:15,800
Really normally have 
historically brought it for and 

1175
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,800
the IU team has fed off of that 
and it's exactly the same 

1176
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,700
process that happens in Mackey 
Arena when they have games like 

1177
01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:23,200
this. 
It's just we haven't seen as 

1178
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,600
many of these for my you 
recently because they haven't 

1179
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,300
been that. 
Good is certainly not as good as

1180
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:31,300
Purdue has been. 
So I understand your concerns. 

1181
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:35,000
They may be very well warranted 
but I just intrinsically. 

1182
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,400
This feels like a game that 
Indiana is going to come in and 

1183
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,800
play well in and I hope I'm 
right because if they don't you 

1184
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,500
are going to get a lot of nerve.
Business in the fan base because

1185
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,300
even if everybody is acting like
they're worried and thinks or is

1186
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:51,400
saying gosh, you know I think 
Purdue is going to beat us. 

1187
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,600
I think deep down most people 
are like, we're going to win 

1188
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,300
this game and I'm going to be 
angry if we don't win this game 

1189
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:00,500
and I would hate to see that 
manifest itself because losing 

1190
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:04,600
to the number one team home or 
away, is the thing that happens.

1191
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,300
I don't think, I think Indiana 
is going to win this game 

1192
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,300
because I think that the, you 
know, they've demonstrated that 

1193
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:13,000
they can win games like this. 
And this is the type of That 

1194
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,900
they can do. 
Now, we got to see them, go do 

1195
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:16,900
it, and it'll tell us a lot 
about where the program is at 

1196
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:17,800
this point. 
I think? 

1197
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,800
Yeah. 
So my only, my only last concern

1198
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,900
is just with, you know, 
unfortunate this fan base were 

1199
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:28,600
getting too. 
Kind of that like, you know, 

1200
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,900
mid-2000s, Boston, Red Sox fan 
base, where when things start to

1201
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:36,000
go rough, it's like it all kind 
of eats on itself and the fans 

1202
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,600
start to get nervous. 
You start to feel that weird 

1203
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,000
humming the stadium. 
And like, that's, you know, if 

1204
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,600
we come out like Jackson, Davis 
gets a foul that's like her too.

1205
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,500
It goes up by nine and he's 
dunking. 

1206
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,900
And then it's like, wow, it's 
like, 11:00 to 2:00 and we come 

1207
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:49,300
out and we miss a 3. 
It's like fit. 

1208
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:53,500
Like that's my concern is, if 
it's like, we're almost the fans

1209
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:56,400
are too hyped and we like over 
anyway, we'll see. 

1210
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,500
I hope I'm curious. 
You kind of predicting and I you

1211
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:01,700
win. 
I like that. 

1212
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:05,600
We met we probably may or may 
not podcast but between Purdue 

1213
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,200
and Rutgers will see. 
Hopefully we can. 

1214
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,700
But if we don't, what do you see
for that game? 

1215
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:12,400
Just like high level. 
Do you think you think we can do

1216
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,300
the back? 
The back, sure we can do the 

1217
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,900
back-to-back. 
I mean, I think the thing with 

1218
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:20,100
Rutgers to keep in mind is that 
Rutgers came out in that first 

1219
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:25,300
game and really punched Indiana 
in the mouth and that is clearly

1220
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:27,800
something that this Indiana team
is susceptible to. 

1221
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,700
But you also have to keep in 
mind that that was a game where 

1222
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,000
they didn't have Jalen Hood, you
fee, know, and they were coming 

1223
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,900
off a, an emotional win that 
they hadn't really experienced 

1224
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:40,200
in a while which was knocking 
off the team that had started 

1225
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,500
the season. 
Number one, I think it was a 

1226
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:44,900
lie. 
Less mature team at that point. 

1227
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,800
This Rutgers team is really good
defensively and they're really 

1228
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:55,100
kind of pedestrian offensively, 
you know, so I think a lot of 

1229
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:58,000
the advantages that Rutgers had 
at home, probably aren't 

1230
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,900
necessarily there on the road, 
but they are a team that creates

1231
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:05,000
some issues for Indiana 
specifically because they know 

1232
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
how to grind out. 
Victories, look, I think any 

1233
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:10,700
it's hard to predict the psyche 
of this time. 

1234
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:12,700
We just spent 20 minutes talking
about how unpredictable. 

1235
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:16,100
The team is, how will they react
to winning against their rival 

1236
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:19,200
and the number one team in the 
country at home, two days later,

1237
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:22,400
or whatever. 
Three days later, who knows with

1238
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,000
this group? 
But I also think of all the 

1239
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,200
teams that you would want to 
play immediately after it would 

1240
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,700
be Rutgers a team that's had 
your number and you're mad about

1241
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:35,700
it and you get them at home and 
you're hyped up and ready to 

1242
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:37,300
roll. 
Like, you know, from my 

1243
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,800
perspective, I'd much rather 
they were playing that game then

1244
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,100
playing like, Iowa or Wisconsin.
Or somebody who was good enough 

1245
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,700
to beat you, but, you know, and 
you weren't going to take them 

1246
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:49,000
too seriously because they 
haven't been such a problem. 

1247
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,300
Like you don't where's the 
motivation to get up and running

1248
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,900
at that point? 
That's that's, I guess where I 

1249
01:03:53,908 --> 01:03:57,500
would look at it and say, you 
know, I like their chances 

1250
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,100
either way win or lose against 
Purdue. 

1251
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,800
I like their chances against 
Rutgers because I think they've 

1252
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,100
got something to prove against 
both teams for different 

1253
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:06,900
reasons. 
We'll see. 

1254
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,600
But that would be my read on 
things. 

1255
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:12,500
I like that that the Rutgers 
game as we mentioned, before the

1256
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:15,500
Pod, start at a Big Ten just 
can't get their start times. 

1257
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:18,400
Are either starting at 9:00 at 
Maryland, or a 6:30 start 

1258
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,400
against Rutgers. 
It's like, let's let's what 

1259
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,600
happened the 7:00? 
Well, is that off the table? 

1260
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,200
Well, you know, you got to 
squeeze in that game later on in

1261
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,900
the day because, you know, the 
key now is, I mean, it could be 

1262
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:30,500
worse. 
You could be in the Big East 

1263
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:33,900
where, you know, they're forcing
Butler to play home games at 

1264
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:37,700
like 6:00 in the evening. 
I mean, that's just a brutal 

1265
01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:39,900
ask. 
But yeah, you know, Playing at 

1266
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:43,100
6:30 so that they can get 
Minnesota Illinois on at 8:30 

1267
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,900
immediately afterwards and it's 
like, couldn't it just have one 

1268
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:49,200
at seven and one at 9:00 with 
that have hurt anything, 

1269
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:54,100
Minnesota, Illinois, Central, 
that's 84 them like it's either 

1270
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:56,700
done, maybe they're trying to 
grab the European market and 

1271
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,300
they're like, well, you know, 
the 6:30 tip in Bloomington. 

1272
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:03,200
I mean that's only like 11:30 in
the Azores or I don't I don't 

1273
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,400
know. 
It's yeah. 

1274
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,100
Is the Big Ten we haven't talked
is that are they prepared for 

1275
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:08,900
West Coast teams? 
The West Coast like they 

1276
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:10,400
understand. 
There are time zones, like are 

1277
01:05:10,408 --> 01:05:14,600
we going to be getting like a 
1:30 a.m. tip against UCLA and 

1278
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,500
me and Paulie. 
It's like, what are we doing? 

1279
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:18,000
Here? 
It is entirely possible. 

1280
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,500
I will say one last thing, I'll 
one last thing I'll mention and 

1281
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:25,300
it's apropos of nothing, really?
But you look down the list at on

1282
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:29,300
the ESPN scoreboard of the, the 
the get in prices, they have 

1283
01:05:29,308 --> 01:05:32,900
those little Stub Hub or 
actually Vivid Seats links, and 

1284
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:35,100
there's a lot of really good 
games this weekend, but like 

1285
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:38,500
Kansas and Iowa State, you're 
getting cost right now is $82.00

1286
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,800
burned. 
To see you're getting price is 

1287
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:46,200
$29. 
Miami Clemson, it's $33 Texas 

1288
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:51,900
Kansas State, it's 125 Indiana. 
Purdue is $523. 

1289
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:56,800
The can fries, I mean it is it 
is a hot chick in our stadium is

1290
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,500
bigger than all of those except 
for Tennessee mention, like 

1291
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:02,000
Thompson, Boling. 
Thompson Boling is like 74. 

1292
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,700
Yeah. 
If you right now, if you wanted 

1293
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,300
a seat, if you could buy a seat 
behind the IU bench, I think it 

1294
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,600
It is and or maybe it's on the 
opposite side of the bleachers 

1295
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:18,500
those are 1088 dollars a pop to 
go sit down there and even like 

1296
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:24,600
I mean section D in row 23 it's 
over fifteen hundred dollars per

1297
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,600
ticket for a pair of tickets to 
go sit over there. 

1298
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,900
So look the the secondary Market
is making this money here. 

1299
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,600
No, no. 
And I will say this for any, you

1300
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,100
know, I highly doubt there's 
anybody listening. 

1301
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:40,100
This podcast has never been to 
Assembly Hall, but if you Um, 

1302
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:42,600
and you're looking to get that 
get in price, you know, like 

1303
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,100
I'll buy the cheapest ticket on 
StubHub for 500 bucks. 

1304
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,600
If it's the balcony, don't do 
it. 

1305
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,700
Like, do not do it. 
The balcony seats. 

1306
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:51,200
Suck. 
They are awful. 

1307
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,500
I've been there. 
I mean it's okay. 

1308
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:57,000
I would never pay $500 to sit in
the balcony at Assembly Hall. 

1309
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,800
Like I would much rather take 
$100 burn it and then take $400 

1310
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,400
and go to switch yard and drink,
you know, if you're going to get

1311
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,800
in and you're going to sit in 
the main section, that's great. 

1312
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,600
Make sure you're under Roe 40 or
Off, the balcony will cut off 

1313
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,400
the scoreboards, but yeah, 
there's gonna be some sad people

1314
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,100
who've never been to Assembly 
Hall. 

1315
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:16,800
It's like, oh, I'll pay you 500 
bucks. 

1316
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,400
Like worse the bat, you know, 
the worst eat there can't be 

1317
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,000
that bad and it's like, oh we 
can, the balcony is a different 

1318
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,500
view man. 
Yeah anyway, that'll wrap it up 

1319
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:26,200
for us is always a pleasure, 
Scott. 

1320
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,400
We'll see you down here. 
Tomorrow is IU, takes on Purdue 

1321
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,100
and should be fun. 
Hopefully we see some of you 

1322
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:35,200
folks out and about as pregame 
get started early. 

1323
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,600
And we end up with probably a 
bunch of people at a bunch of 

1324
01:07:38,607 --> 01:07:40,400
different places. 
Town, if you haven't checked 

1325
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,900
out, yes, go ahead. 
What do you think? 

1326
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:43,700
What do you think? 
The the student lineup is going 

1327
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:45,800
to be like, you're the student 
whisper down there, like you 

1328
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,200
didn't kids are lining up 
tonight? 

1329
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:52,000
Tomorrow morning, I bet, well, 
God, I hope they don't line up 

1330
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,900
today, be most because it's 
cold. 

1331
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,900
It's so cold down here right 
now, but I'll bet they'll be a 

1332
01:07:56,900 --> 01:08:00,700
few but it's gonna be nuts. 
You know, Breakfast Club right 

1333
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:05,300
into going over and standing in 
line for o'clock game is kind of

1334
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:08,200
like the sweet spot for that in 
a lot of ways. 

1335
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,500
So I think it's going To be 
intense, I think it's going to 

1336
01:08:10,508 --> 01:08:13,700
be an awesome student section. 
This is what the students want 

1337
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,500
to know this in the students, we
give them credit football, and 

1338
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:18,500
basketball. 
They have really showed up and 

1339
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:21,600
really tried to be as loud and 
as much of a problem as 

1340
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,200
possible. 
And this is one game. 

1341
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,000
I, you don't have to talk 
anybody into going to. 

1342
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,000
So, I'm excited to see. 
I'm excited to see what happens 

1343
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,600
fear. 
They bring to the table, and I 

1344
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,000
think it's, you know, certainly 
going to be a fun line. 

1345
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,399
If you get over there early and 
are able to walk past and see, 

1346
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,200
everybody in line is probably 
gonna be worth checking out. 

1347
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,000
Out. 
So anyway, alright, that'll wrap

1348
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,500
it up for us. 
Thanks Scott. 

1349
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:45,700
Thanks to all you folks for 
listening and thanks to 

1350
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:47,300
home-field apparel, our sponsor 
here at the back. 

1351
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:51,600
Home network will be back soon, 
maybe Sunday, maybe Monday, 

1352
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,800
maybe not until later on next 
week, but will be around. 

1353
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,600
Be sure to check out all of our 
podcasts that we've done this 

1354
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,300
week, including one later on 
today for Scott. 

1355
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:00,899
I'm Galen. 
This is Crimson Castle. 

1356
01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:03,200
Catch you folks on the flipside.
Bring back the Bison, so 

1357
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:03,700
everybody