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to talk IU football exclusively 
on this show and we've got one 

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of our favorite guests, who 
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guests as we move forward. 
But Olivia, Rea joining us who 

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you probably know if you if 
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the IU, Sports media realm, you 
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but more recently has been in 
Indianapolis at WISH-TV and has 

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a new gig in Cincinnati. 
It does. 

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WLWT going to be covering the 
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there, Olivia. 
First of all, congratulations on

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the new job and welcome back to 
the show. 

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Thank you. 
Yeah. 

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Feeling right at home. 
And my first weekend since he 

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last week because I ran into 
some former Hoosiers like mr. 

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T, gray scales, he was a ball 
Hawk on Saturday in the Bangles 

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final preseason game could 
potentially make the roster due 

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to some injuries. 
He's, of course, a Colerain grad

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there from Ohio, and they love 
their Local products. 

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So, you know, jumping right in 
and still managing to bring up 

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IU football, any chance I get 
even in a completely different 

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market. 
So things are normal here in 

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week 1. 
I guess that's how you do think 

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now. 
Am I right that the first 

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practice you attended was the 
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that was that a different time? 
No it was. 

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That was my first practice I 
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member in Cincinnati was the 
Pearl with the to Helmets and 

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Aaron Donald taking swings 
around. 

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The Cincinnati fans were not 
welcoming to him and pay for 

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stadium on Saturday. 
I'll tell you that. 

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No, I don't blame them that. 
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you put two teams that played in
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sort of thing is probably going 
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It'd be like if Indiana and 
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scrimmage in Green Castle or 
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Like that's probably not going 
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no, no. 
So, so Olivia, let's kind of, 

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you know, we got a lot of 
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Since we solicited some 
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social media lab, we're going to
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guess overall as we head into 
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your overarching impressions of 
what I you looks like, they're 

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going to put out on the field 
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It was was obviously a 
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We've talked about that kind of 
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And yet it's been kind of a 
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August, so far for this IU 
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You know, there's been some 
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situation, we'll get into that 
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But there seems to be this kind 
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of Tom Allen. 
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how this is a different team. 
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from last year and they feel 
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Are you buying that I guess, 

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first of all and, and what's 
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into this season? 
I don't know if I'm buying the 

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However, I do think that radio 
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It's actually, I mean, Kevin 
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of, I'm not releasing a starter.
I'm not letting anyone into 

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practice. 
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you know, our hand just yet. 
But I don't know if there's any 

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reason to be quite confident 
just yet. 

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I understand there have been a 
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offensive coordinator, who has 
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revamp, Up this offense and just
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besides the o-line and the 
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saying. 
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goes, so the fact that there 
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leaves me wondering where the 
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this moment, unless we're seeing
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from the faces that were there 
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Yeah. 
It's always a big question mark.

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I mean, this is where Hard, 
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trying to analyze what's going 
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I mean, fans so much of the of 
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Whether it's pro or college, is 
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you know, see if you can get 
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get people excited and what's 
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And so, you have to take 
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of salt, but it is interesting. 
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I think it's easy to get sucked 
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people haven't heard about has 
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He may be the Number one, or 
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know, they've really rededicated
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think it's important for people 
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Yeah, it's fine to get excited 
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every program across the country
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about their program about their 
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they've made. 
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the brakes a little bit on how 
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to accept as reality versus just
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Indeed, and we have to remember 
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risen on the depth chart. 
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wide receiver one too, tight 
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One would usually be buried in 
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usually the case when they do 
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So keep that in mind just being 
realistic, as you said don't buy

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into the hype just yet. 
Tom Allen can make you want to 

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run through a wall, but I think 
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us want to do that for other 
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year. 
Hear me - out of the game. 

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No, no. 
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a lot of people you have to take
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Because we've done it many times
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You've heard, if you've been 
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heard Scott and I, you know, we 
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we've drank a little bit of 
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well, they can win this. 
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can win this and it almost never
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So it, you almost have to just 
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everything that's happened 
between June 15th in the 

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present-day, not because you're 
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because if you don't it all, 
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up to this point. 
All you've gotten is stuff to 

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make you feel good and that's 
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I mean, if it's it's interesting
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it's almost the opposite. 
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they're trying to Tamp down 
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because any good news people 
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0. 
So the point being being that 

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happens everywhere. 
I will say something that it's 

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interesting to me and this isn't
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We've given time a little bit of
grief over, not naming, a 

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quarterback starter up till this
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be one named. 
Are you noticing what's going on

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around college football right 
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a lot of programs? 
I mean Lane kiffin won't name a 

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starter and you know, Jim 
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two starters one for each of the
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And now Indiana, and a few of 
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to not release a depth chart for
the opening game, which I can't 

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tell what's going on here. 
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secret meeting at the Coaches 
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together in a room or like, hey,
let's just screw with everybody 

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for the first couple of weeks or
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It feels like there's like a 
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a lot of coaches. 
Tom, Allen included to just put 

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as little as possible out about 
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And I'm not sure it really 
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That's just kind of a peculiar 
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Clearly think it's doing 
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exactly what it will actually 
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I do think this was a theme of 
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I've had some kind of off the 
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coaches have mentioned offhand 
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spring game, they didn't want to
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organized events because it 
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broadcast on television because 
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conference or whatever League 
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And I feel like I'm a lot of 
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broadcaster and most intrusive 
and in a way while their team is

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still trying to figure things 
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they were giving too much away, 
but it's been more than one 

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coach to this mentioned that to 
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So I find it interesting. 
Now, that as you said, a lot of 

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these college coaches are taking
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Kind of that. 
The pros have of like, will let 

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you know, you know, come week 
one, what's going on, which is 

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ironic because it's the, it's 
the media coverage that they 

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don't. 
Like that's paying the bills to 

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a large degree. 
It's like, I don't have a spring

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game. 
Hey, what content are we going 

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to put? 
In April at this point there's 

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only so many reruns that we can 
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So yeah, it's a fastened and I 
get it. 

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I mean, I understand coaches or 
it's a tough profession, we 

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poked fun at coaches but I mean 
you're a couple of plays away 

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from getting fired. 
It feels like almost every year.

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So I do understand some of the 
paranoia but not releasing a 

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depth chart. 
Seems a little bit on the 

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extreme side of things. 
I don't know. 

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Anyway, as we get into things, 
we had some questions from Some 

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folks out there that I wanted to
dive into as you know I think 

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there's a it's a weird 
atmosphere going into this 

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season for IU and you've seen 
several of these you work for 

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the football program, you've 
covered the football program at 

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various points in your college 
and pro careers. 

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You know the Tom Allen are has 
had an interesting Arc and you 

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almost can't really tell the 
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without going back to the Kevin 
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Arc of that and like it felt 
Like, you know, took years to 

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get people up to the point where
they were excited about the 

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start of an IU football season 
and then they got there and then

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it kind of hovered around like 
the five or six Windmark for 

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four years. 
And then, it really felt like 

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Allen had this huge, push, and 
momentum, through 2019 and 2020 

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leading into the start of last 
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And this was something that was 
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who's clearly a friend of the of
the podcast and has been 

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following things for a while, 
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Playing along the lines of, you 
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win back, the fanbase will six 
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of the big guys do it. 
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apathy amongst fans and the 
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I became a Hoosier in 2011. 
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about the overall attitude that 
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the Sigh you team? 
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And, and that's just because, 
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Kool-Aid. 
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What Seven hours last year on 
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on my once, old day off through 
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September August, whenever that 
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I feel like my my expectations 
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don't think that's a terrible 
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will get excited if there's Bowl
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And one of the final weeks of 
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Purdue. 
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excitement back for the fans. 
I truly do think that's all they

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need is Bowl eligibility. 
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game though because I really am 
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watching things collapse in the 
final seconds. 

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Yeah, that I I mean we've sat 
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point now and it does not. 
It does get old, I don't know. 

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I mean I I go back and forth on 
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and eight but they beat Ohio 
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Is that a successful season? 
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I mean, that would be at the 
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we've talked about for a while 
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It's like you can be like an 
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opponent, or, you know, a, 
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that fit into that category 
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Maybe where you'll have a down 
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that is impressive and Indiana 
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Some point. 
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year, but that's I think the 
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now stretches all the way back 
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And so you know, something like 
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I think even if Indiana doesn't 
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gets to 6 and 6 and gets to a 
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progress and I think people 
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good taste in their mouths. 
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what if they go five and seven 
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teams, I mean, is that enough 
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It's more than double the win 
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sure if that gets a lot of 
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that point because yes, you've 
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You, you weren't as abject Lee 
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2021 season but you're still not
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forward. 
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say wow there was a real 
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Progress made. 
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There has to be a big win that 
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by, because frankly, I don't 
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the future of this, this 
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ranked win a big win over. 
Someone, you haven't beaten in a

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long time. 
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couple years ago and I felt like
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the hot seat, but wasn't a 
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and fans in West Lafayette and 
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State and I was like, okay, all 
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I have no idea, I can't remember
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a mess from moving cities, but I
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happened that season? 
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they got a ring twin so I think 
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is get a big win over rival or 
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Powerhouse and we'll see how 
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definitely non excited. 
Whoops, leave it at that. 

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Yeah, that produce that produces
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mixed bag. 
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they beat Iowa who was ranked 
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scoring games 3836. 
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that year and they lost to 
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Mizzou, they lost to Minnesota 
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Minnesota, and then they end up 
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By Auburn in the Music City Bowl
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remember. 
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going back to this. 
It's like, if and this is where 

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Alan, I think still to some 
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Has some good will among the fan
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because they beat Penn State and
they beat Michigan. 

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And those were two teams that 
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beating Penn State period, and 
then beating Michigan since the 

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80s. 
Even if those were down years 

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for those teams that still 
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matter to a lot of fans. 
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It's like, you can, you can miss
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If you pick up a big win, or you
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a big win, but I think you got 
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You can't do neither and still 
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say, this was a successful 
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Bakr friend of both of ours and 
friend of the, the podcast 

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because we already know to some 
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does the quarterback 
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Going this late concern. 
You did. 

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We expect Connor basil act to be
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This is really interesting 
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there's been a lot of chatter 
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decisiveness publicly and naming
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And you know what that's all 
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And, you know, on the one hand, 
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this is just gamesmanship and we
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who are starting quarterback 
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I don't, I mean I've old and you
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about this but to me it's like 
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you don't want to be 
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If you have a clear starter, it 
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should name. 
The clear starter is it 

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quarterback? 
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your team. 
That's who's going to be setting

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the tempo on offense. 
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essentially viewed as the leader
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also by the defense and special 
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just feels odd. 
That of all the things, this is 

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where they've decided that 
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and say. 
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go back to Ali's question. 
I mean, would you interpret this

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as just gamesmanship and they've
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starter is or do you interpret 
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So let's start with that and go 
from there. 

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I think it was a battle but 
they've known for a while who 

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their starter is, and they've 
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just said, you think it's odd? 
They're not naming him publicly,

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they've named him internally. 
I've also been this is how I do 

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business and how the business 
goes now. 

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But stalking each of these kids 
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they've been radio, silent for 
months at a time. 

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They know who the starter is. 
They also know that this roster 

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has to be managed with Another 
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that wasn't the case, the last 
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error on this on all of the 
staffs part because everyone 

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knew Michael penix was going to 
get hurt. 

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At some point, the fact that 
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who was, you know, game tested 
and ready to rock and roll. 

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I'm sorry Jack, Tuttle, you 
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at that point but they've known 
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believe. 
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they have a backup that they can
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hands. 
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bit of a two quarterback system 
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Yeah, it's you know, I think 
good ultimately it's interesting

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because I it's possible that 
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competition at quarterback and 
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I think is what Ali is 
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if you watch if you watch Jack 
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And I mean let's be clear like 
Jack title came in and difficult

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circumstances in his first full 
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He quarterback the team to the 
win at Wisconsin. 

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They should have had an extra 
touchdown. 

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They had a big catch get 
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I can't even remember by. 
Who is it? 

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Mi Marshall maybe I don't want 
to I'm not trying to cast 

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aspersions but there should have
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caught. 
But even with that they win that

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game title. 
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the Outback Bowl and and still 
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know, God Them in a position 
where they could have wanted the

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end but last year was one of the
more confounding years for a 

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quarterback that looked like 
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step in. 
Because if you go back and watch

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the film, his throws were all 
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He was constantly moving around 
in the pocket. 

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He was clearly afraid of 
contact, and I don't blame him. 

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I mean, the offensive line was 
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year, but you need, if you're 
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Indiana, you know, that going in
and that's something to kind of 

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stretches. 
All eras. 

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It wasn't a good showing by 
Tuttle and so it is a little bit

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concerning that you know, Connor
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the SEC and was clearly a very 
good players. 

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Freshman year, took a step back 
as sophomore year didn't just 

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come right in and take the job, 
you know, Alan's a loyal guy. 

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And I do think that that's part 
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factored in. 
I mean, Alan felt such a loyalty

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to Michael penix the previous 
year that he was like, you know,

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yes Pete. 
And Ramsey, you can transfer and

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go somewhere else because we 
feel like we owe it to Michael 

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penix to give him the starter 
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So you know, maybe there's some 
of that with Tuttle and maybe 

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this is Alan's way of saying, 
hey, you know, you've been in 

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the program for this long. 
We're not going to automatically

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hand the job to somebody else, 
but by the same token, you got 

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to have somebody back there that
can make the throws and see the 

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field and it'd be just really 
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somehow Tuttle, it improved so 
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was ready to not just beat out, 
Connor basil act but Good enough

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to be a starting. 
Big Ten quarterback. 

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Yeah, I think the loyalty is 
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lot more of the Loyalty was 
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than his actual talent and what 
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few years for title. 
And as soon as you said loyalty,

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I think one name popped in my 
head and I saw lots of questions

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about it but Darren Hillary who 
joined the staff is when coach 

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Allen did and the fact that he's
the only person that was not you

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know, removed or decided to 
leave. 

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Yet all of the glaring issues 
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position group, its loyalty 
right there again. 

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So I do think that's what played
in the quarterback competition. 

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I also think they've noticed, 
it's Connor, it's been Conner 

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for quite some time. 
Yeah, I mean that. 

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And that's really what I would 
expect. 

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So, you know, we'll see how it 
goes with that. 

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And and clearly, as you said 
especially with the offensive 

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line issues, you need to have 
two people ready to roll on this

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front and so hopefully both are 
ready and hopefully it wasn't 

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actual competition. 
Action. 

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But, you know, I would be really
surprised. 

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If Connor Bane's like didn't 
come out under Center someone 

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mentioned, I'd have to find it. 
But you know, Alan needs to call

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like a wildcat style play at the
start of the game where both of 

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them are out there on the first 
play just to mess with 

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everybody. 
That would be kind of hilarious.

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I would, I would enjoy that 
quite a bit of a. 

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I'm actually did that I doubt 
that that actually happens. 

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And if I can find that cop, I 
read that comment and I can't 

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remember exactly who sent that 
to me earlier. 

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But that was a pretty good. 
It's oh, oh, sorry was sweet 

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man. 
Be Jambi. 

446
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,500
Yeah, I'm hoping Allen starts 
them both on the first play in 

447
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,800
the backfield with an RPO, just 
to blow everyone's mind. 

448
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,200
Absolutely. 
That's that would be, that would

449
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,900
be an excellent conclusion to 
this whole thing for us. 

450
00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:01,700
But anyway, let's let's jump 
into a couple of other questions

451
00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:04,500
here. 
So Master night kind of asks an 

452
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:06,500
overarching question. 
We'll get into some specifics on

453
00:24:06,508 --> 00:24:09,700
the Illinois game after this. 
How do you think the team will 

454
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:13,300
respond this year? 
You know, both in game one and 

455
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:15,500
Beyond. 
Will they be able to produce 

456
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,600
their own momentum? 
And this is an interesting one 

457
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,200
because you got a whole bunch of
questions on offense and will 

458
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,700
probably be asking those 
questions well into October. 

459
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:28,500
Because you just don't know how 
a lot of this is going to shake 

460
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:32,100
out but the defense has a lot of
returning fire power. 

461
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,900
You know you've got a really 
experienced secondary. 

462
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,000
Yeah you lose Mike McFadden in 
the linebacking core but you 

463
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,100
bring back a couple of really 
good players there. 

464
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:43,900
You've got some intriguing 
prospects on the defensive line.

465
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,500
You know, it feels like the 
strength of the team could be 

466
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:50,000
defensively, which is kind of a 
throwback to the earlier, Tom, 

467
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,200
Allen era, and you've got 
options it offense that may not 

468
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,800
be quite as unexploded as what 
we saw last year with this team.

469
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,700
I do believe they can create 
their own momentum like you said

470
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:10,100
vintage, Tom, Allen vintage IU, 
Tom Allen because that's when I 

471
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:13,200
felt like the moment I'm picked 
up for this program was when he 

472
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,800
came in as defensive coordinator
and went what last two best in 

473
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,600
the Big Ten, you know, took that
team to a bowl game and I 

474
00:25:21,608 --> 00:25:24,100
understand that he didn't 
necessarily do that as the 

475
00:25:24,108 --> 00:25:26,400
defensive coordinator, but he 
did stuff in as head. 

476
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,500
Coach pretty quickly after that 
and In you'd writing not hot 

477
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:33,600
hand and like you said, the 
returners on defense, this could

478
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,000
be a decent defensive team. 
I mean, it could stand out in 

479
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,900
the Big Ten and which is 
shocking to say. 

480
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:44,800
But knowing that, you have to 
Mullen Brothers potentially two 

481
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,300
of the top corners in the 
conference. 

482
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,700
Maybe a lot of college football,
I know there was a lot to 

483
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:57,900
replace losing Mike McFadden, 
but you have, you have a couple 

484
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,700
even true freshman's. 
And on defense, but could make a

485
00:26:00,708 --> 00:26:04,800
name for themselves. 
So I think the defense and if 

486
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,700
they can go back to forcing 
turnovers like they did, you 

487
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:12,700
know, four years ago, five years
ago, I think it can create 

488
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:16,100
momentum, but we'll see you. 
Like you said, how the question 

489
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,000
marks play out on the other side
of all? 

490
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,900
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, 
you obviously look to some of 

491
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,000
your more experienced players. 
And I mean defensively, James 

492
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600
head is, is that for Varsity 
letters Demarcus Elliott? 

493
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,700
Nah, faggot TOA with, you know, 
as a senior, you've got red 

494
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:38,100
shirt Juniors coming back in a 
couple of different spots. 

495
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:42,400
Bow Robbins is back and then in 
the linebacking core, cam Jones,

496
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,900
Aaron Casey both back, you've 
got Mullen, you've got Jaylyn 

497
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,200
Williams, I mean, there's a lot 
of guys that have played really 

498
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,700
well. 
And last year notwithstanding, 

499
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,300
it's almost hard to blame the 
defense. 

500
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:56,500
I mean the whole team kind of 
fell apart down the stretch but 

501
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,100
people forget like that Michigan
State game. 

502
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Even the Cincinnati game to a 
large degree, the defense help, 

503
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,900
keep the team in it even when 
the offense wasn't necessarily 

504
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:11,400
able to execute, if you get some
offensive execution to go a long

505
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,500
with maybe a slightly improved 
defensive performance out of 

506
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:18,100
some of these pliers and overall
as a team, there's a real chance

507
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:21,400
that you could see some momentum
being generated whether it's 

508
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800
through turnovers or just 
through, making a lot of stops 

509
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,400
and giving the offense some more
advantageous positions to start 

510
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,500
drives. 
And we can even count on the 

511
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,800
defense to score a few points. 
Hopefully this year too. 

512
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600
So that would be nice. 
Let's take that right? 

513
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:39,100
I will say, I wish there was a 
way for IU to get like four 

514
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,400
safeties on the field at once. 
You know, we'd between between 

515
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,100
Devon Matthews and Brian 
Fitzgerald low up, Noah Pierre 

516
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,200
and Josh sanguinetti. 
I mean, it's such a deep 

517
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,300
position. 
There's just a lot to, like, out

518
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:55,000
of the defense overall, if 
everything comes together and I 

519
00:27:55,008 --> 00:27:57,100
do think this is one of those 
things going back to the 

520
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,800
question it. 
I feel like even though the 

521
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,200
defense I think played pretty 
well overall if you disregard 

522
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,600
the end of the season which is 
probably the only way that you 

523
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,800
could safely interpret. 
I you as potentially being able 

524
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,100
to be significantly better. 
As if you just look at the last 

525
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:17,100
five games and say well they 
really weren't trying too hard 

526
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:21,300
at that point. 
Clearly, there was a problem 

527
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,900
with the relationship coaching 
lies between Charlton, Warren 

528
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:31,300
and Tom Allen. 
And way the defense was was 

529
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,200
playing and the way that 
everything was being made 

530
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,700
Allen's even made comments like 
well, we weren't really one of 

531
00:28:35,708 --> 00:28:38,900
the defense that I wanted to run
and that's pretty jarring. 

532
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,700
When you consider that the 
defense throughout the rest of 

533
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:44,800
the time that I use either been 
run by Allen himself or by Kane 

534
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,900
Wommack who ended up being a 
pretty good defensive 

535
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:51,200
coordinator, so Allen back in 
this role and also Chad Wilt 

536
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,100
coming in as kind of an Yeah, I 
think who will eventually become

537
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,300
the play calling defensive 
coordinator? 

538
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,400
I will be really curious to see 
what kind of impact that has on 

539
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,900
the defense and the way that 
they play, and the sorts of 

540
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,900
calls that they're making 
throughout the course of a game.

541
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,000
I agree. 
I also found one of the 

542
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,500
comments. 
Super interesting from Alan back

543
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:15,100
in January where he said he's 
actually going to let some of 

544
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:21,400
the assistant coaches get in his
ear about game management and 

545
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,400
and clock management and things 
like that. 

546
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,500
That's a nice one. 
During if if his understudy will

547
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,400
take that role while he's 
calling defensive plays, you 

548
00:29:30,408 --> 00:29:32,300
know. 
So he's not doesn't have all of 

549
00:29:32,308 --> 00:29:35,100
those balls in the air that he's
juggling at one time because it 

550
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,800
was clear. 
He was overwhelmed in the last 

551
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,800
Years with, with that aspect, 
it's tough. 

552
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,000
I mean, and actually, Patrick 
asked this question and he's 

553
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,400
talking to me when he says this 
as an outspoken critic of Alan's

554
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400
game management. 
What are you looking for in 

555
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,200
game? 
One personally, with this game 

556
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,700
being so crucial, I don't want 
to see any conservative calls 

557
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:57,400
all gasp, no brakes. 
So, here's the thing. 

558
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,300
I actually disagree with that a 
little bit Patrick and here's 

559
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,500
why. 
So, first of all, I have been 

560
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,500
critical of Alan's game 
management as I think anybody 

561
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,100
who's watched the games, Lee 
should be. 

562
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,000
I don't think this is a 
particularly isolated island 

563
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,800
that I'm on here. 
I mean, there's been a lot of 

564
00:30:12,808 --> 00:30:17,800
question marks in terms of of 
penalties, in terms of timeouts,

565
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,100
being called, at odd times you 
go back. 

566
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,500
I mean, what I've been going 
back and forcing myself to watch

567
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:28,400
the Supercuts of the highlights 
from last year's losses to see 

568
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,300
what exactly happened. 
And you like, you look at that, 

569
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,700
Cincinnati game. 
And I actually think that they 

570
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,600
lost that game in part because 
they were not conservative 

571
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,700
enough. 
There were several possessions 

572
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,200
in the Red Zone in the first 
half where instead of just 

573
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,500
kicking the field goal and 
adding the points up on the 

574
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,400
board, Alan's going for it and 
it's resulting either in no 

575
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,700
points or turnovers, you know, I
think overall Allens game 

576
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,800
management hasn't been great 
during his time because he's 

577
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,200
really, he's a coach that relies
on emotion. 

578
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
He's a coach that relies on 
getting his team fired up. 

579
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,500
He's not really a guy who has 
yet demonstrated. 

580
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:11,100
I think, you know, himself to be
a superb tactician of football 

581
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,000
plays and there's nothing 
inherently wrong with that. 

582
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,200
There's been a lot of really 
successful coaches that have not

583
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,500
demonstrated Superior Tactics 
when it comes to calling plays, 

584
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,500
but I do think, you know, in a 
game like this, I do worry, 

585
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:28,100
sometimes that Alan will try to 
make too much of a point will 

586
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,400
try to do too much too quickly 
and that ends up compounding 

587
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,700
because it takes away 
opportunities for his teams to 

588
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:37,600
build a lead to Comfortable to 
not feel like they've failed 

589
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:40,000
when they haven't converted one 
of these aggressive calls as 

590
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,500
opposed to just feeling like. 
Okay, that's something to build 

591
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:48,100
on for the next Drive. 
Yeah, I completely agree and I 

592
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:51,500
found the exact quote from him. 
He said he's going to assign 

593
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:55,600
someone the responsibility of 
watching for game, management, 

594
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,100
situations during games. 
So interesting. 

595
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,500
There you go, Galen, I'll be 
interested pump or I love it. 

596
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,700
That's great. 
Hey, that's, that's awesome, 

597
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,300
that's growth. 
I love to see growth and I'm 

598
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,800
curious to see how it manifests 
itself because it's one thing to

599
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,700
say, we're going to assign this 
to somebody. 

600
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800
It's another thing for it 
actually, to play out in the 

601
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,900
game and It's tough. 
And I think, especially tough 

602
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:21,400
for a guy like Alan who clearly 
gets so emotionally involved in 

603
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,400
what's going on on the field. 
It led to you when you were 

604
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,200
here, you know, him getting 
inopportune 15-yard 

605
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
unsportsmanlike, conduct penalty
calls on him. 

606
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:33,700
And, you know, it's tough in the
moment. 

607
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,400
When you're that fired up to be 
thinking clearly about, okay, 

608
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,500
what am I, what should I really 
do on this? 

609
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:40,400
Fourth and six from the 21 yard 
line. 

610
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:44,200
And so I'm really curious to see
how that plays out, because that

611
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,300
is As we know it's funny, like 
we just saw in Nebraska lose. 

612
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:53,400
Another one score game, IU has 
struggled in close games as well

613
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,900
because the two or three plays 
that they often need to execute.

614
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,100
They don't execute, and it's 
largely, I think, you know, or 

615
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,500
at least, maybe not large leave 
at least in part because of some

616
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,100
game management issues that have
happened. 

617
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:09,200
So great, some other items. 
Let's see. 

618
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,100
So a couple of other small 
comets are John, Blair, as a 

619
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:17,400
Hoosier football fan, who saw a 
game in, the old Memorial 

620
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,100
Stadium went to the Rose Bowl 
and covered the Hoosiers for The

621
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:23,200
Herald times and UPI. 
This is this good. 

622
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,300
Good good resume here. 
I'm refusing to get excited this

623
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,800
year because last years hype 
before the season killed me 

624
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,600
emotionally, this is a tough 
spot. 

625
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,200
And that we've seen this from a 
lot of people in the in the 

626
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,700
fanbase, we talked about a 
little bit earlier. 

627
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,300
And I don't know if there's a 
good answer for this, I mean, 

628
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,300
because on the one hand, I do 
think that it's gotten a little 

629
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,800
too Doom and Gloom in some 
circles with this IU team 

630
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:50,900
because it's an easy thing to 
kind of cut off any idea that 

631
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:53,800
the team is going to be good, 
it's almost easier to default 

632
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,100
to. 
Well they're clearly going to 

633
00:33:55,108 --> 00:33:57,600
suck because they clearly sucked
last year. 

634
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:02,200
And yet you know the and and 
look they may actually suck it's

635
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,700
entirely possible that that will
be the answer, but I do think 

636
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,500
Think that to some degree. 
It's been so long since I you 

637
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:14,000
had a truly Bad season like last
year was that it's easy to lose 

638
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,500
sight of the fact that sometimes
teams just have a really bad 

639
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,400
season and it doesn't 
necessarily act as a Harbinger 

640
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,199
for the upcoming year, there are
certainly things that would Tamp

641
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,900
down my excitement about this 
season, whether it's the 

642
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,800
uncertainty at the skill 
positions on offense, or the 

643
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,600
huge number of coaching changes 
that happened or as you 

644
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,000
mentioned earlier, didn't 
happen. 

645
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:39,199
But by the Same token. 
There's also at least some kind 

646
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,199
of a pedigree of at least a 
medium level of success by 

647
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,500
Indiana. 
Standards of you know five wins 

648
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:48,400
or six wins or whatever. 
Not just with with Alan but also

649
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,900
back to the Kevin Wilson are. 
So it's not like it has to be 

650
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,400
another two in ten season. 
So I would say, don't don't 

651
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,800
completely cut off your 
emotional excitement about this 

652
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,900
upcoming year but also guard 
your heart to some degree. 

653
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:02,800
I guess that's that's kind of 
where I've landed with all of 

654
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,500
this. 
Yes, oral and look at the bright

655
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:09,000
spots, if it is another really 
terrible year. 

656
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,100
We can we can count on 
potentially a few more coaching 

657
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:14,500
changes that I think should have
happened a while ago. 

658
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:18,900
A couple of other questions here
if note. 

659
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:23,200
So we did have a question about 
the Illinois game in particular 

660
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,000
at a couple of them. 
So, you know, we'll start off 

661
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,700
with this me. 
Let me find the question that we

662
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:35,400
had here but basically, you 
know, the It started off with 

663
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,100
asking, you know what, like, how
confident are you in? 

664
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:44,300
Indiana beating Illinois. 
DC will be Bell throwing the 

665
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,000
ball around or not in that game 
and Beyond. 

666
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Let's start with that. 
I mean Illinois, they played 

667
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,500
their first game of the year 
this past weekend. 

668
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,600
It was it was against Wyoming at
home and it's almost impossible 

669
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,600
to gauge how Illinois is as a 
team based upon that game. 

670
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:06,800
They got, you know, if they 
Outscored, Wyoming 38 26, they 

671
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,100
got a pretty good game out of 
their new starting quarterback, 

672
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:14,100
Tommy DeVito's, 27, 437 494 
yards. 

673
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,000
They, you know, they got a 
really good game out of Chase 

674
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Brown their junior running back.
151 yards on 19 carries. 

675
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,400
They weren't really tested 
defensively. 

676
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,700
You know, they get a game under 
their belt. 

677
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,500
This is an Illinois team that 
had a pretty good season last 

678
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:31,000
year. 
All things considered this is, 

679
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,600
you know, a team that under Bret
Bielema ended up going five 7. 

680
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,400
But they got a couple of pretty 
good wins. 

681
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,700
They beat Penn State at Penn 
State last year, they want at 

682
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,900
Minnesota, they had some close 
losses. 

683
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:46,800
They only lost by four to 
Purdue, but it's also a team 

684
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,300
that fired their offensive 
coordinator and is still kind of

685
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,100
trying to find their footing as 
they transition out of lovey, 

686
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,500
Smits players, and into Bret 
Bielema as players. 

687
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,600
So what's your read on this game
overall? 

688
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Like what what do you think are 
the keys for Indiana? 

689
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,900
If they're going to try to beat 
Illinois in this one? 

690
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:04,100
And what kind of chances do you 
give? 

691
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,700
Them. 
I think one of the last lines 

692
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,700
that you just said is the one 
I've highlighted and underlined 

693
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,700
at this point is they're still 
learning under new offensive 

694
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,900
coordinator and you're bringing 
in a really experienced Indiana 

695
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:23,600
defense who's reverting back to 
Tom Allen's play calling and we 

696
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,400
can expect them to turn the ball
over to tally a couple turnovers

697
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,100
there and maybe rattle 
Illinois's cage a little bit 

698
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,100
earlier and often than they 
ever. 

699
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:38,500
Saul against Wyoming and week's 
hero that was brutal to watch. 

700
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,900
Not like that. 
Not like the game and double and

701
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:42,800
I think I tuned out pretty 
quickly. 

702
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Yeah, I fell asleep during the 
Illinois game. 

703
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,500
I stayed up for the north 
western Nebraska game but yeah, 

704
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,700
Illinois game was a tough watch.
Yes, yeah. 

705
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:56,100
I think I have guarded 
confidence against Indiana 

706
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,400
beating Illinois on a Friday 
night at home. 

707
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,600
Illinois has no idea what to 
expect because Indiana The fans 

708
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,900
have no idea what to expect and 
I think that's the plan. 

709
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,400
I said that's the plan to get 
one conference went, right? 

710
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,400
This year is to, is to go in 
with your of element being 

711
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,300
completely blindsided and, and 
week one. 

712
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:20,800
So, we'll see how it works, but 
I'm pretty confident in Indiana 

713
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,000
on Friday and if, if I eat my 
words, I eat my words on that 

714
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,400
one. 
Yeah, it's tough. 

715
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,900
I mean, this is one of those 
games where it's hard to get a 

716
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:31,100
read on. 
Exactly. 

717
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,100
What is, you know, what are you 
supposed to expect? 

718
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,600
In terms of this game because 
again, we really don't know that

719
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,400
much about Indiana's offense. 
You know, we know something 

720
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,500
about Indiana's defense and I do
think that if Indiana is going 

721
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:48,400
to win, a lot of it is going to 
be based on how well, the 

722
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,500
defense plays, how well they 
able to bottle up what this 

723
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:56,600
Illinois team is trying to do. 
And what do we, you know, what 

724
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,100
are we going to see in terms of 
the way in which Illinois 

725
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,500
approaches the game defensively?
Not necessarily knowing what 

726
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,100
Indiana is going to do across 
the board. 

727
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,800
I mean, this is where to some 
degree having tape is helpful 

728
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,700
for Indiana and that they now 
have at least a little bit of a 

729
00:39:13,707 --> 00:39:15,000
sense of what Illinois is going 
to do. 

730
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,200
But almost certainly Illinois, 
pulled a lot of punches in that 

731
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,900
Wyoming Game. 
They didn't have to do a whole 

732
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:26,700
lot Beyond just the basics and, 
you know, Illinois can also look

733
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,700
at Indiana and say, well, we 
haven't seen tape of you from 

734
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:33,400
this year, but we saw tape of 
you from last year and we're 

735
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,100
pretty sure we can. 
Can you know, we can bulrush 

736
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,800
your offensive line and give 
your quarterback problems and 

737
00:39:38,808 --> 00:39:40,600
not give them time to throw the 
ball. 

738
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800
And also, by the way, you have 
no running game because you had 

739
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,400
no running game last year, and 
you have no returning Running 

740
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Backs from last year, the line 
on this Games been fascinating. 

741
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,500
Olivia, because it started back 
in June with Indiana - two and a

742
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:55,900
half. 
It went all the way up to 

743
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,700
Indiana -6. 
And now it's back to depending 

744
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,300
on the sports book. 
You're looking at anywhere 

745
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:04,500
between my Indiana - two and a 
half in Indiana - Three and a 

746
00:40:04,508 --> 00:40:07,700
half. 
So Vegas is they're like, well, 

747
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:10,300
Indiana gets the three points 
for home field advantage or 

748
00:40:10,308 --> 00:40:12,000
what, you know, whatever it is 
close to that. 

749
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
But that's about it. 
They're looking at this game is 

750
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,300
pretty even at this point, you'd
like to give the nod to I you 

751
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,500
because they're going to be at 
home. 

752
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,400
But Indiana doesn't really have 
a home field advantage Memorial 

753
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,700
Stadium and they really and it's
even going to be more 

754
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,300
exacerbated on Friday because 
that's a game where you're going

755
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,700
to get a lot of people not 
coming because they're going to 

756
00:40:31,707 --> 00:40:34,100
have high school football there.
They're going to be watching and

757
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,500
stead or they're just not going 
to be able to make it down after

758
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,300
a full day of work since. 
So many of Indiana's football 

759
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,800
fans tend to come from a couple 
of hours away. 

760
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,500
So it's a really hard mix of 
things to get a read on. 

761
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,200
And, you know, I would lean 
towards Indiana just because 

762
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,400
they're the home team and that 
that normally does mean 

763
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,200
something in these games, but 
there doesn't seem to be a lot 

764
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
distinguishing. 
These two teams right now where 

765
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400
you would say that one side, 
clearly has an advantage over 

766
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,700
the other So those are Hoosiers?
Yeah, I think so. 

767
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,800
I mean, I think if your push 
comes to shove here, I think you

768
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,700
would go with Indiana, but we'll
have to just wait and see what 

769
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,800
happens with all that. 
A couple of other questions I 

770
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,400
guess in General on this. 
As we as we head into this game,

771
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,800
I mean, you mentioned, obviously
the defense is going to play a 

772
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,700
big role in this special teams 
is going to be really 

773
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,700
interesting as well as it 
generally is. 

774
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:31,000
But overall, it just to me, it 
feels like so much of this in 

775
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,100
detail. 
Deanna's this Indiana teams. 

776
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,500
Attitude towards games. 
And I think it was really 

777
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,600
obvious both last year and the 
year before in entirely 

778
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,200
different ways, it's dependent 
on how well they start and how 

779
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,800
well they're able to capitalize 
because this team really seems 

780
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,800
to ride these emotional waves. 
I mean, you know they got off to

781
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,800
some really good starts in 2020 
and and that really resulted in 

782
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:59,700
you know, some wins that perhaps
might not have happened another 

783
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:02,900
years. 
They they got off to not ideal 

784
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,600
starts like in the Will game 
that you mentioned last year and

785
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:11,500
it was over basically, before it
began, you know, can I you find 

786
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,500
a way to keep their emotions a 
little more in check and be a 

787
00:42:15,508 --> 00:42:17,700
little more clinical? 
I think ends up being one of the

788
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,400
big questions, not just for this
Illinois game, but through the 

789
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,800
rest of the, the month of 
September because this team is 

790
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,100
going to have to find itself 
from an emotional perspective, 

791
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:29,000
if they're going to play their 
best football. 

792
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,900
And that's not something I 
normally say about a lot of 

793
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:32,200
teams. 
But it feels like it's 

794
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,400
especially an issue within the 
Deanna. 

795
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,100
I think that could be where Walt
bills offense and quick tip. 

796
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:44,600
O offense, can maybe help this 
team because they are going to 

797
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,100
have to be clinical. 
Like you said, and what they're 

798
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,600
doing, they have to focus. 
They've learned a whole new 

799
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,700
playbook and he's going to throw
a lot more wrinkles into things 

800
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:58,300
that we haven't seen before. 
And I think maybe the focus on 

801
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:02,600
executing their and an up-tempo 
offense, could take a little of 

802
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,300
the emotion out of it. 
Maybe the bad emotion, right? 

803
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:12,200
I mean It's a missed, throw it. 
It's a stopped run and it 

804
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,300
doesn't matter. 
You have to get up and do it 

805
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:17,900
again versus kind of hang your 
head and walk walk over to see 

806
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:21,700
what's next for the Hoosiers. 
So well if it's like a lack of 

807
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:25,500
bad plays or black, you know, 
bad juju on plays, I mean and so

808
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,900
it's like avoiding sacks and 
avoiding all those crippling 

809
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:30,600
drops. 
That seemed to happen in the 

810
00:43:30,607 --> 00:43:33,700
passing game last year, or the 
fumbles in the running game, 

811
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:37,300
which were so decisive for 
Indiana on a lot of key. 

812
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Ives, like, that's that. 
And then granted, those aren't 

813
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,900
always, like early momentum 
things. 

814
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:47,000
But gosh, the, it's just like 
one of the big, you know, the 

815
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
positives about the Tom Allen 
are have always been this team 

816
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,200
when it gets really fired up, 
looks like it can beat anybody, 

817
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,900
but then when stuff goes wrong, 
they get so down on themselves 

818
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,900
and that seems to be a struggle 
that they haven't really fully 

819
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:04,400
figured out how to navigate and 
I'm curious and this is we're 

820
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,500
bringing in a Walt Bell, you 
know, bringing in Chad will to 

821
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,500
help lead the defense some maybe
that ends up helping because you

822
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,700
get some different voices in the
room that aren't the same voices

823
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:16,200
that have been there year after 
year. 

824
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,200
I don't know if it makes a huge 
difference, but it feels like 

825
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,300
something's gonna have to change
their. 

826
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,200
If this particular team which 
does have a lot of question 

827
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,700
marks is actually going to 
string together enough wins to 

828
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:32,700
get to a bowl. so, One last 
question. 

829
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:36,300
This was something that Reddit 
college football posted today. 

830
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,900
I don't know if you saw this, 
the Jordan Bailey who's a 

831
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:43,600
constant contributor to the 
podcast, noted this right at CFB

832
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,200
tweets out, Indiana is five 
losses away from becoming the 

833
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600
first FBS team to pass 700 
losses. 

834
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,100
If they're going to miss that, 
they're either it. 

835
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:58,300
Oh, it's either. 
Feather, 700 losses on the year 

836
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:01,400
or nine win Deanna as our 
friends at home? 

837
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,500
I said, because that's what it 
would take to avoid, hitting, 

838
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,000
that Mark, and Jordan asked, 
which of those two scenarios. 

839
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Do you see? 
Is the more likely to see the 

840
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
nine wins? 
Or do you see Indiana achieving 

841
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,100
a dubious record from a record 
perspective? 

842
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:19,100
Jordan, what do you think the 
answer is to that? 

843
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,000
We're not printing nine when 
Deanna shirts this year. 

844
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
I'll tell you that much, but we 
may need to check with home 

845
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,900
field on that, but I'm not 
entirely. 

846
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,200
I'm sure, I'm sure. 
They have a stock somewhere of 

847
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,300
those. 
Still around. 

848
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,900
They might be hey home field. 
Let us know if there's a sale on

849
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:39,200
the 9th of Indiana shirts. 
All all wear one just for just 

850
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,300
for Reddit sake here. 
Yeah, I use gonna get to that 

851
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:46,800
700 number and it's going to 
hurt but it's deserved. 

852
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,100
I think at times well and look 
and I'll say it there's actually

853
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:53,900
some dispute about whether it's 
actually seven hundred losses. 

854
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,600
I've had to do a lot of digging 
into this because I do have a 

855
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,600
module in one of my classes on 
the history of Indiana football 

856
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,400
and it's like well is it 700 or 
is it? 

857
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,200
78. 
Because there's there's what 

858
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,700
games get counted for. 
What is, it's shockingly with 

859
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,000
college football. 
There's not one Authority on 

860
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,100
this, there's like different 
record, keeping things. 

861
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,900
But yeah, I'm really hoping they
can avoid this or that a big 

862
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:20,900
deal is not made of it, but it 
probably, it'll a probably 

863
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:22,900
happened and be there probably 
will be a big deal made out of 

864
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:23,900
it. 
That's just how things go. 

865
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,700
But hey, you know what, you 
can't change the past, you just 

866
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:31,000
have to embrace it and hey, the 
team hitting 700 losses. 

867
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,300
And And making a bowl, would be 
quite a story of a that's that's

868
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,300
Redemption right there, right? 
Exactly. 

869
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:39,800
Yeah. 
Anyway. 

870
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Final thoughts from you before 
we wrap things up and on the 

871
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,600
podcast? 
Sure, I believe. 

872
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,500
If you set anywhere near me at a
tiny football game last year, 

873
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:53,300
you probably heard me starting 
Donovan McCauley chance, any 

874
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:57,100
time, things went wrong with the
offense and I believe I went on 

875
00:46:57,100 --> 00:47:00,500
record saying I think he will 
start by his sophomore year. 

876
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:04,200
I didn't know, it could 
potentially be in the receiver 

877
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,300
roll, but I would love to see 
him out in Walt Bells offense. 

878
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:14,500
I think he could be a good fit. 
You know, in the slot is sizes, 

879
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:16,700
is incredible. 
I think a lot of people are 

880
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:19,700
surprised by that when they see 
it, and I'd love to see him get 

881
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:24,400
a little confidence back after 
after what was last year when he

882
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,500
got thrown into the mix without 
any preparation. 

883
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:32,700
So I just wanted to go on record
And saying, if Donovan McCauley 

884
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:35,500
gets a start that that I was 
right. 

885
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:37,700
You were right? 
Yeah, youyou, never specified, 

886
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:39,000
what? 
What position? 

887
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,300
I didn't will give you that but 
no, I agree. 

888
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:44,300
I think that one of the big 
interesting subplots and we'll 

889
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:46,300
talk about this more on 
Wednesday. 

890
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,900
I know Scott and I are going to 
do a show before the game on 

891
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:54,400
Friday, but McCauley coming in 
is he's the tallest receiver by 

892
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,400
2 inches in the receiving room 
right now. 

893
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,400
I've heard, you know, 
anecdotally that he is like He 

894
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,700
clearly looks physically more 
imposing than what you're 

895
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,000
getting out of most of the rest 
of the receiving Corps. 

896
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,700
And that's, that's key. 
I mean, people forget like Thai 

897
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,200
fry Fogle had a really 
disappointing final year, but 

898
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his size was such a decisive 
factor in 2020 in terms of being

899
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,900
able to catch balls and get into
the right spots and things and 

900
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:26,600
you know you pair him with a 
revitalized DJ Matthews you pair

901
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,200
him with you've got Javon 
Swinton back. 

902
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,100
Who's got a lot of experience 
you've got You know, several 

903
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:35,300
receivers David Baker, who 
struggled with injuries, but has

904
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:38,200
a nice history with the team so 
far, you've got some options 

905
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,800
there and that would be 
interesting to watch if 

906
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,600
McCullough is able to come out 
and really demonstrate his 

907
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,800
ability to play that position 
and that's the kind of 

908
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
athleticism that Indiana really 
needs and that they have 

909
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,400
struggled with at that position.
Correct. 

910
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,200
And one final note. 
So for all my new pal fans out 

911
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,300
there, I did pass mr. 
Charlie Spiegel and hallway a 

912
00:49:01,308 --> 00:49:04,000
couple of days ago, and he 
already looked like a bowling 

913
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,200
ball when he was in high school 
and a man amongst boys. 

914
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:11,500
Now, he looks like a man amongst
boys college, boys. 

915
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:17,900
He's he's put on some weight and
we'll see if he can turn walk on

916
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:22,300
into some actual touches this 
year and meet Full touches, I 

917
00:49:22,308 --> 00:49:27,400
should say five ten to twenty 
one, seems pretty imposing and 

918
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,400
that's if that's just his listed
weight and size. 

919
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,200
I'm curious to see what he 
actually looks like on the 

920
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,900
field, but I mean look Indiana. 
Really need somebody to step up 

921
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:38,700
in the running back or you know 
the the expectation is going to 

922
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:42,300
be Sean chivers the transfer 
from Auburn he's a little guy as

923
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:47,600
well. 57 188 you know that 
there's just that position feels

924
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,300
wide open and it feels like a 
couple of people coming out and 

925
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,600
just You know, grabbing the 
reins of that position are going

926
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,800
to be really key for Indiana who
go into the season so we'll see 

927
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,800
what happens. 
Anyway, Olivia Ray, thank you. 

928
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,300
As always for joining us, we 
look forward to having you back 

929
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:04,200
throughout the course of the 
Season, as we talk how you 

930
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,800
football, good luck with 
everything in Cincinnati, and 

931
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,800
we'll look forward to seeing 
what you're doing down there. 

932
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,700
Thank you. 
Thank you, everyone go Hoosiers.

933
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:17,300
Absolutely wrong about this. 
Well, let's hope were right 

934
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:19,200
about Illinois because I think 
both of us have picked in the 

935
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,700
end of the word that with. 
So we'll see what happens. 

936
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:23,800
But anyway for Livia. 
I am Galen clivia, thanks for 

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00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,900
joining us here on the show. 
Will be back later in the week 

938
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with another preview episode is 
Indiana takes on Illinois. 8 

939
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p.m. 
Friday will catch you folks on 

940
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,600
the flip side. 
Bring back the Bison, so 

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everybody