1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,480 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast. 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,480 Galen Claudia Scott Caulfield joining you here. 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,440 If you didn't listen to our earlier show where we had Jeremy 5 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,479 Gray on discussing the arrival of Hoosier the bison, well, go 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,160 listen to that immediately and then come back as video first. 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,360 But yeah, watch the well, yes, absolutely watch the videos. 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,200 All of them. Watch the Super cut, which I'm 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,360 assuming is going to be submitted to a Film Festival 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,560 somewhere soon. It it should be, but no. 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,680 Welcome back to Crimson cast. We are actually not talking IU 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,000 in this one. So if you're tuning in for the 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 IU content, there'll be other podcasts, but we're covering 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,920 Indiana based stuff as we'll be tackling our experiences with 15 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,880 the Indy 500 and and what happened overall there and then 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,920 this insane weekend that the Indiana Pacers had in the 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Eastern Conference finals. Scott, good to see you again. 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Although we still this is the same recording session that we 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,480 just got done with. So we've. 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Already done it. We've already done all the all 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,120 the small talk. 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Also check out 65 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:29,760 crimsoncast.substack.com and get all the podcasts delivered right 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,800 to your door or inbox, I guess unless, unless your e-mail gets 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,280 delivered to your door. If that's the case, I want to 68 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,400 hear from you and find out how you're getting that to happen. 69 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,200 Anyway, let's dive in, Scott. Let's start with the Indy 500, 70 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,920 as we're rapidly getting to the point where it's no longer news 71 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,080 story, but one of the weirder races I think I've ever been to 72 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,960 or watched. It was one of those races where 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,320 the outcome was was good and I was happy for Alex Pelo, 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,280 deserving winner. He's been by far the most 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,120 successful driver this year. And I think you got to give him 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,360 his flowers. Like he you know, he he finished 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,360 so well in the four races leading up to this race at the 78 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,160 Indy 500 that it felt natural when it happened. 79 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,079 But he wins a race where you've got kind of a combination of 80 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:25,440 weather issues that led to a lot of delays and just racing that 81 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,400 really didn't live up to I think the the standard that Indy has 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,000 set over the last decade in terms of close races and close 83 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,720 and a lot of passing. And it it just kind of felt that 84 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,360 in the climactic to some degree, despite the fact that 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,880 commercially it might have been the most successful 500 in 86 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,600 history. Yeah, I mean it definitely. 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,320 It started off very funky like this is going to be a weird day. 88 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,080 And it turned out, Nope, just going to be after we get going. 89 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,720 You know, there'll be there was a caution on lap one O 6 and 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,640 then there wasn't a caution again until lap 200. 91 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,280 And that those 100 laps, you know, you and I have this is 92 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,240 unfortunately kind of what happens in India is that 93 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,640 sometimes that the drivers get, you know, the exit on the the 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,760 broadcaster getting settled in. It means like they're not doing 95 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,000 anything. They just they don't want to 96 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,120 pass. They want to save some fuel. 97 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,800 But normally you get some passing in different parts of 98 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,480 the field. Maybe not for the lead. 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,320 You'd get to a point in this race where once they got strung 100 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,120 out, there wasn't passing at all. 101 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,600 I mean, it's just everyone was together. 102 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,680 And then if there was some, some, you know, pit stops, 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,800 people would start doing some passing in the passing that was 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,800 happening was teammates in the league just trying to do fuel 105 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,920 save. And I, I'm with you. 106 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,760 It was it, it, it started off like, oh, this is going to be 107 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:31,880 crazy. Like, you know, you have the 108 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,680 McLaughlin thing lap 1, you have Marco or McLaughlin lap -1 I 109 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,080 guess. And sorry I'm bouncing around, 110 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,000 but you had a very funny tweet where I was with people the 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,920 first time and like, my God, have you ever seen somebody do 112 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,160 that first lap? Yeah, I have. 113 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,560 Like I saw Pet, you have Guerrero do. 114 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,280 It's like, it's wild when you've been there enough. 115 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,600 Like, I've never seen it like that, but I've seen something 116 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,120 tangentially similar. I mean, you know, I wasn't 117 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,480 there, but you had the what? The 82 race where, you know, 118 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,280 Kevin Cogan just goes across and takes out Mario Andretti also in 119 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,360 the front stretch, you know, just so wild starting. 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,160 But yeah, it kind of, and then even the end, you know, you had 121 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,560 the the the Polo pass was for the lead, but it was on lap 12, 122 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,440 but it was behind two other cars. 123 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,920 And then it just was like, well, nobody can pass anybody and this 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,440 is just the way it's going to go. 125 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,560 And even the last lap, Ericsson made a bit of a push, but really 126 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,520 wasn't going to get close. So, you know, it wasn't awful, 127 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,320 but it wasn't. I kind of left being like, man, 128 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,520 I didn't really get a thrilling middle or ending. 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,520 Yeah, I mean, I feel like we got robbed of a couple of 130 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 possibilities there. Some of it happened before the 131 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,080 race even started with the Penske cars being sent to the 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:43,040 back because, I mean, you talked about this when we previewed it. 133 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,320 New Garden had a rocket ship in this race and he had worked his 134 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,600 way all the way up to 6th. It really looked like he was 135 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,760 well on his way to challenging for his third in a row. 136 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,040 And then his fuel pump gives out in the pits and it's like, uh 137 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,080 oh. And it was interesting 'cause, 138 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,680 you know, Connor Daly leading and, and being up in the mix, 139 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,840 that was exciting. If you were a kind of a racing 140 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:09,160 partisan, it was, you know, that's not like a, a national 141 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,080 name for a lot of people. But every little thing that 142 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,080 happened along the way, especially in those last 60 laps 143 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,760 or so, felt like it was adding up to something. 144 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,440 But I think the the most representative thing I saw on 145 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,520 the track of how this one just wasn't quite there in the 146 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,440 hierarchy of great races that we've seen in the past is you've 147 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:36,040 got two cars at the tail end of the lead lap ahead of the the 148 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,440 pack of five or six cars that are in serious contention and 149 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,720 the leaders couldn't overtake them. 150 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,720 It was very interesting. And I kept waiting. 151 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,560 I was like, OK, surely somebody's going to break out 152 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,440 and get one or both of these cars or something. 153 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,480 And it never really happened. It almost jumped up the end of 154 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,480 the race. And it's interesting that the 155 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 only meaningful pass that seemed to happen down the stretch, 156 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,920 there was Polo passing Ericsson and Ericsson never really had 157 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,320 the juice to get back up and make the similar pass, which 158 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,120 maybe points to an Arrow kit issue, which kind of feels like 159 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,880 it's been an issue with Indy all year in every race. 160 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,080 It's something that they're going to have to get fixed. 161 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,240 Because I think one of the big arguments in favor of IndyCar 162 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,760 has been it's not F1, it's not a parade. 163 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,280 It's one where the, you know, all the cars are, they're, 164 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 they're spec cars. It's it's really about the 165 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,440 little minute adjustments, but you would have a lot of passing 166 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,480 and that just didn't happen in this race. 167 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 And this is, you know, Pelo's had an awesome season, like 168 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,919 Pelo's having one of the best seasons ever. 169 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:38,360 So he's a very deserved winner. But this also kind of came to my 170 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,679 mind as the race was going along. 171 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,799 Like this was just being served to Pelo on a platter. 172 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,080 When you look at, you know, Penske is the other dominant 173 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,440 team, you basically negate 2 of the cars by putting them in the 174 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,080 the back of the field. The one that's still up there 175 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,400 wrecks before the race even starts. 176 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,200 Like Mclaughlin's out now the two Penskeys are in the back. 177 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,920 And then Power didn't really have it. 178 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,640 And then like you said, your new garden goes out. 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,240 The other dynasty car is Dixon, who just has problems all day. 180 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,640 Immediately his brakes are on fire. 181 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Before the race starts, he's out so like that puts polo at a 182 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,240 great spot like all right, the the one driver of the only two, 183 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,920 you know, I don't say good teams, but you know, really good 184 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,760 teams are there. It's like all right, your pole 185 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,240 sitter Schwartzman is a rookie team. 186 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,600 Like he he crashes in the pits. You know, Rossi had a good had a 187 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,000 good drive, but you know, his car catches on fire. 188 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,440 Like you, you start having a lot of good drivers and it's like, 189 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,840 well, they're on lower level teams and those lower level 190 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,560 teams and normally have pit issues. 191 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,200 Takuma Sato had a rocket ship. He had a pit issue. 192 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,400 You know, you just it, it's like if you're the only Ganassi and 193 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,600 Penske car in contention, you're going to have a really good shot 194 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,600 to win. And that is what happened. 195 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,080 It's not taking anything away from Pelo because he's might 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,920 have the best season of any driver we've ever seen an 197 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,520 IndyCar. But it definitely also all came 198 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,800 to hit came to him this year where it's like you're competing 199 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,920 with Conor Daly and you know, Marcus Ericsson. 200 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,040 It is not quite like doing Penske. 201 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,640 I thought Award might have had a shock because he, there was a 202 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,640 moment there he started really rocketing up. 203 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,560 And then, you know, he went from like 5th to 3rd. 204 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,360 And I told my wife, like, dude, a ward is on a tear. 205 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,000 And then it's like, no, he just hit a wall. 206 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,720 Like he just hit whatever proverbial air wall they had and 207 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,840 could not pass. Yeah. 208 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,160 It it was interesting. And then you get to what 209 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,400 happened after the race and you think about the fact that, OK, 210 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,560 Ericsson gets past finishes second. 211 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:27,960 It would have been a fascinating story if Ericsson had won, 212 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,520 because that's. My question if he wins do they 213 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:31,960 take away his? Victory. 214 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Well, hold on. Well, I think I mean it was it 215 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,680 was an interesting historical thing because like if he wins 216 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:41,120 now he's in the 2 winner club. And what occurs, of course, for 217 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,760 those who were paying attention is that essentially all the 218 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,160 Andretti cars failed tech inspection because they had some 219 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,000 it, what was it impermissible parts that had been added after 220 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,880 the fact. I, I think they're protesting 221 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,920 that. I'm not sure if they're going to 222 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,680 have a chance to win the protest, but I think this is 223 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,400 something to to keep in mind. And actually Polo got asked 224 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,920 about it after the race. Like if if it had been found 225 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,840 that Ericsson's car had finished, tech inspection should 226 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,320 have been installed as winner. And Polo's response was, well, 227 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,400 if he had like AV8 in his engine, AV8 engine in his car 228 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,480 instead of like the V6, then maybe. 229 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,440 But you know, it's a minor thing than no. 230 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,560 And this is where as much as the Penske controversy beforehand 231 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:27,560 was problematic, I think mostly because of Rodger Penske's 232 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:31,920 position with the series and the track, these things do happen a 233 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,880 lot. Like we've had prior winners 234 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,480 whose cars have failed post race tech inspection. 235 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,440 And generally speaking, at that point, you don't pull the win, 236 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,680 you just kind of accept that it occurred and you move on. 237 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,040 It really does. I I think from a cultural 238 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:52,440 perspective, the no group or no set of people had a worse may 239 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,640 than the inspection crew for the Indianapolis 500. 240 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,240 And and it calls into question the rest of the series now, you 241 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,400 know, cheating or or stretching the rules happens in pretty much 242 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,960 every series of racing. It's just kind of part of the 243 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,400 game. But, you know, I don't think 244 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,440 they would have pulled the race win if Erickson had won. 245 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,360 It still would have gotten out. It would have cast a cloud over 246 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,080 things. So it ended up being probably 247 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,560 for the best that things worked out the way that they did. 248 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,440 It's just kind of weird that that cloud, which really ended 249 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,840 up being there for the entire month of May in one form or 250 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 another, was in many people's minds the last thing we'll think 251 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,800 about with this particular vintage of the race. 252 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,040 Yeah, No, it's true. And back to your comment that 253 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 the the friends I went with who had never been before I. 254 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,040 Kind of explain this to him, just not wonky, but like that 255 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,960 could have happened like that. Has that ever happened? 256 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,440 I'm like, yeah, actually in 81 there was a winner who they took 257 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,280 it away and gave it back to him. So like we, we, we've seen all 258 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,160 of this before. It it's, it's a trouble that 259 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,280 Indycars running into where, you know, 'cause it's not the test 260 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,360 inspection, you know, the last year it's the snake. 261 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,920 The snake didn't come into play this year or the dragon tail, 262 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:01,800 whatever, you know, the the swerving because you had two 263 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,720 cars who didn't need to swerve as much. 264 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,440 But but this is, you know, this is something race he's got to 265 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,680 figure out because, you know, in the end, most of the fans are 266 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:15,920 not super into the sport. I mean, they're kind of they're 267 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,080 there. It's like, Oh, I understand 268 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,960 racing like I understand track and field, like I the person who 269 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,040 finishes across the line first wins and then being like, oh, 270 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,840 no, they didn't win because they blocked and a block is actually 271 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,640 technically this or there's this arrow kit thing like nobody 272 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,920 wants to hear. That's like if you go to the 273 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,440 race for the first time and that was awesome. 274 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,480 I saw the yellow car win. That's the winner of the race, 275 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,840 You know, So on the one hand, you can't really take away wins 276 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,000 and move positions. On the other hand, you need to 277 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,280 have some kind of governing body. 278 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,600 There's some kind of rules because it does feel like we're 279 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,320 getting into the Wild West where it's like if the last two laps 280 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,400 drivers can kind of do whatever they want. 281 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,880 All the blocking rules are off the table and it feels like now 282 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,680 every team is just breaking all the inspection rules. 283 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:57,520 And, and the question I asked you, it's like, where are the 284 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,840 inspectors before the race and before, because powers car made 285 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,040 it through inspection and then like, Oh, we missed that. 286 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,800 And then, you know, it's like there should almost be like you 287 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,600 once you've made it to the grid, we're done inspecting like we 288 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,920 did our inspection and that's, that's it. 289 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,640 Yeah, no, I mean, as much as Penske has upgraded the in track 290 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,200 experience for fans, I think this is the next big thing that 291 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,480 the series has got to tackle. But it's tough because, you 292 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,280 know, again, this is not like the NFL that you know, that this 293 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,080 is this is a bunch of teams that come together under the banner 294 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,320 of, you know, this entity gold IndyCar. 295 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,200 It's like college football. Yeah, it's in many ways, yes. 296 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,520 So those are some things to keep in mind. 297 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,760 But you know, overall, I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm 298 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,800 like hyper negative on the race. I just, I don't think it was 299 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,680 entirely the fault of the competitive aspects that the 300 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,880 weather didn't cooperate. It went from looking like it was 301 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,800 going to be a beautiful day, albeit a bit cloudy, to then, 302 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,200 oh, we've got some rain. It's. 303 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,760 Our fault, it's our fault. We did our preview pod and we 304 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,240 were like, the weather looks awesome. 305 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Like put that in stone. And what was annoying is 306 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Saturday was fantastic, Monday was awesome, Sunday was just. 307 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,760 I know it just was, it was just and it was just, it was annoying 308 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,960 too because like last year it rained like it actually rained. 309 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,320 And here I we never felt more than sprinkles in turn 3 over 310 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,440 there in turn 2. It's super wet. 311 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Scott has no idea how it felt because he was in an air 312 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,080 conditioned suite. Covered. 313 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,040 I was not. I was not in a suite, but I was 314 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,640 covered in the penthouse. But you know we can't. 315 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,520 I left my long sleeve shirt at home in the morning and I'm 316 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,920 like, I'll be all right. I'm just like, God, it's cold. 317 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,760 Yeah. It's, it was it, it, it bordered 318 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,800 on a little bit of, of that, but you know, it just to some 319 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,680 degree, it's like you almost wish that it just rained. 320 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,520 Yeah, when they dried the track and then you got the full. 321 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,680 But it was like it was intermittent up until about lap 322 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,400 100. And it really, it destroyed not 323 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,720 just the flow of the racing, but it kind of destroyed the flow of 324 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,440 watching the race and kind of, you know, if you if you've been 325 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,920 to Indy long enough or if you've watched the race on TV and 326 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,800 really paid attention to it, like there's a rhythm to these 327 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,240 things. There's a settling in period. 328 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,600 And it just never felt like you'd got there. 329 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,200 And so we'll we'll see what happens next year. 330 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,440 Obviously, it's not like they're gonna cancel the race for 331 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,440 anything. But yeah, you know. 332 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Next to you, I'm, I'm very curious to see what happens to 333 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Team Penske at the end of this year 'cause they already cleaned 334 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,960 house with a lot of their engineers and Tim Sandrick, I 335 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,640 text you, I'm like, I think Mclaughlin's done. 336 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,400 Like that's just that that month of May where you crash out and 337 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,400 practice and you crash out before the race starts. 338 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,920 I, that's not something Rodger is a huge fan of. 339 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,920 I, he doesn't normally like to run three cars. 340 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,600 And so I can see a world where it's like, all right, we can go 341 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,680 down to two cars. And I do wonder if it's just 342 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,520 going to be like, we're going to clean house and willpower gets 343 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,520 wrapped up in that and it becomes Newgarden and somebody 344 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,560 else. Like I, I could see a real shake 345 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,360 up where, you know, Team Penske's just like we're done 346 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,280 with all of this. And I, I do think McLaughlin, 347 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,640 unfortunately, he's a good driver, but that was not a great 348 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,640 month. Yeah. 349 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,080 I mean, it was a rough 1. And I mean, he's a good driver, 350 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,640 as you said. And I think he'll land 351 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,480 somewhere. I'm not totally sure that your 352 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,680 scenario will play out the way that it it plays out, but it's 353 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,000 very possible. And you know, but it's one of 354 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,160 many changes that we'll probably see taking place just in general 355 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:18,319 on everything you and I following the 500 then proceeded 356 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,160 down to Pacers game three. You went home, took a shower, 357 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,160 texted me taunting me about how refreshed you was Awesome. 358 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Well, I, I, you know, got dropped off in downtown Indy 359 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,320 and, and went and had a piece of pizza and was just like, well, I 360 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,800 got a few hours to kill. But the, you know, game three 361 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,840 started off great. And then sadly for Pacers fans, 362 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,240 not sadly for the Knicks fans in our audience, Pacers kind of 363 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,160 forgot how to play basketball in the second-half of the game. 364 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,040 Knicks did a great job of coming back. 365 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,880 Atmosphere started off great. And then it just kind of felt 366 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,240 like a bummer at the end of the day. 367 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,800 And if you did both, it was like a somewhat unfulfilling race and 368 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,200 for Pacers fans, a really unfulfilling game. 369 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,960 But I want to tie in what happened with game four last 370 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,320 night, which you and I were both at an electric atmosphere of a 371 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,160 tight game again. Every as you know, Pacers are up 372 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,640 three one in this series, but every game has been close and 373 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,920 and highly hotly contested. But we end up getting to witness 374 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,040 not just an insane atmosphere with a ton of celebrities, which 375 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,120 is, I mean, not usual for Bainbridge, but an all time 376 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:29,320 game, like literally an all time game from Tyrese Halliburton, 377 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,840 one of the best stat lines in the history of the NBA playoffs. 378 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,480 Like people are rightfully gushing about it today. 379 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,560 It's it was quite a two days in the Eastern Conference Finals 380 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,440 for the Indiana Pacers and, and just a really remarkable 381 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,720 atmosphere all the way around it. 382 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,680 It was, you know, the game three, I I noticed something. 383 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,560 It was like middle of the second quarter, Nemhardt got a steal in 384 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,760 the open court and then, you know, pass it to Halliburton. 385 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,600 They got it and they, they, I have good seats. 386 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,360 I'm in the kind of in an angle and I can see Halliburton look 387 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,680 at Nemhardt. They kind of have look of like 388 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,840 we got it. Like we, we, we have the Knicks 389 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,440 figured out. And it was at that moment they 390 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,960 almost took their foot off foot off the gas. 391 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,800 I also think knee Smith getting hurt really affected things. 392 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,480 Just kind of threw the balance off. 393 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,960 But I, I noticed that and then the Knicks started to come back 394 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,080 and, you know, I, I do think the Pacers are better, but I don't 395 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 think there's so much better. I think they're very close. 396 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,640 So you kind of take your foot off the gas. 397 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,080 The Knicks will come back and that was a bummer in game three. 398 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,280 I say all that because last night as the Pacers made their 399 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,560 runs, I never saw that in any of the players faces. 400 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,600 It just looked like complete resolve, like we are locked in, 401 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,560 we are focused, we are winning this game and you felt it all 402 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,680 night. Halliburton was way more 403 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,840 aggressive. The entire team, you know, nee 404 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:49,320 Smith was just up on Brunson the entire time and I never saw them 405 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,080 let up. And the Knicks were really hard 406 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,080 to put away because they are a very good team. 407 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,960 But no, that that was the main thing I saw was the Pacers just 408 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,960 focusing in the whole time. The thing that I noticed with 409 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,960 the Knicks is kind of this is the Karl Anthony Towns 410 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,840 experience, which is. And I had Knicks fans sitting to 411 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,520 me both on game three and game four. 412 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,520 It was, which was annoying. But they all mentioned the same 413 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,840 thing. Like if Towns would just post up 414 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,360 every play, he we cannot stop him. 415 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,480 Like Turner is not able to guard him If he gets the ball on the, 416 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,320 you know, right at the free throw line and drives in, Turner 417 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,960 cannot stop him. Siakam cannot help handle him in 418 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,680 the post. And you know, Bradley is just 419 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,480 not able to like we have no one who can guard Cat in the post. 420 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:34,400 The trouble is Cat will do that for two possessions and then 421 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,960 suddenly want to play 3 point sharp shooting 3. 422 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,360 Just he will stop doing that. Like he's incapable of doing it 423 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:43,520 for the entire game. And that's just that is the Karl 424 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,560 Anthony Towns experience. But it's it's it must be madding 425 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,760 to be a fan of his. But I I see that and it's like 426 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,040 I'm after he does it twice. Like, all right, that sucks. 427 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,120 But I know he's going to stop, and I'm happy he does because 428 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,840 that's the one thing the Knicks can do that we seem to not be 429 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,600 able to stop. It's it's an interesting thing. 430 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,960 I mean, you watch this series and, you know, you really get 431 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,800 used to how the players play and, and where things sit. 432 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,320 And I mean, what's fascinating to me is I think the Knicks 433 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,320 clearly have the more talented starting 5, but it's a far 434 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:20,240 starting it to some degree. I was talking to to one of my 435 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,440 good friends about this, who's a Knicks fan last night. 436 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,200 And it's like the the the problem for the Knicks kind of 437 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,680 reminds me of the problem the Pacers ran into 12 years ago 438 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,440 where they had a championship caliber team built around a 439 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,960 traditional setup of a team. But they ran into teams that 440 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,800 LeBron was on that they couldn't overcome because they were built 441 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,880 on a new model. And that kind of feels like what 442 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,320 the Knicks are running into here. 443 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,720 This feels like a Knicks team that was built for winning a 444 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,360 title six years ago where you have a dominant superstar scorer 445 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:58,400 and Jaylen Brunson, who doesn't play that great defensively, you 446 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,400 can get him in mismatches. You've got a dominant offensive 447 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,640 post player who who's got range, can stretch the floor and Karl 448 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,360 Anthony Towns, but also doesn't play defense particularly well. 449 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,720 But you can't rely on your complimentary pieces 450 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,280 consistently to do things. And you'll get you'll get, you 451 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,120 know, good games out of Miles Bridges every now and then. 452 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,160 You'll get Mitchell Robinson's had a a really good series last 453 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,280 night was not the best game for him, but it's it's not it, it 454 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,880 doesn't hold up well against this weirdly constructed but 455 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,320 very forward thinking like constructed Pacers team. 456 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,720 And you think about the you know what, what killed the Pacers in 457 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,400 Game 3 was they stopped pushing tempo the moment that they got 458 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,640 the game in hand. And then when knee Smith goes 459 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,160 out with the injury, they kind of lose the impetus during the 460 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,880 time zone. Halliburton's not on the floor, 461 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,000 and Halliburton didn't do a good job of getting the team back 462 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,360 into action last night. For most of the time that the 463 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,200 Pacers were playing well, they were really pushing tempo. 464 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,440 They were really forcing New York into disadvantageous 465 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,880 defensive positions. And yeah, it really becomes a 466 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,440 matter with the Pacers of you have to keep scoring. 467 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,480 And that was what they did down the stretch in game four. 468 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,760 It's what they did down the stretch in Game 2. 469 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,600 You know, you got game one, you kind of take out of the equation 470 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,280 because of how crazy that game was. 471 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,480 But the way that this Pacers team works, you get that great 472 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,640 game out of Halliburton, you get a great game out of Siakam. 473 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,960 Again, yesterday you didn't get a great game out of Nemhard. 474 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,880 Like he had a really, really bad game all the way around. 475 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,360 But it didn't matter because Benedict Matheran is able to 476 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,120 come in and he had not been good old series. 477 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:37,000 He plays well in that game. It's it is interesting how it's 478 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,440 and we've heard like the ringers talked about this a bunch. 479 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,680 Bill Simmons and Ryan Rosillo have talked about it quite a 480 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,640 bit. This idea that you're the way 481 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,200 that the NBA is about to change its structures with this second 482 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,960 apron and everything puts teams like the Knicks in real trouble 483 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,000 because we have to overpay or pay a high level for like a a 484 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,880 trio of superstars, which is how you won over the last 15 years. 485 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520 In many cases, you're not going to be able to do that as well. 486 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,040 And the Pacers are both weirdly well designed to beat this type 487 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,840 of Knicks team while also able to sustain as they move forward, 488 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,880 provided they can re sign Miles Turner, who kind of fits in this 489 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,160 quirky system about as well as anybody could. 490 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,960 Yeah, Yeah. I mean, 2 two other things Last 491 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,400 night there was a couple of moments where the Knicks really 492 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,280 needed a basket and it's like Landry Shamit was taking the 493 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,320 shots and he he hit one. But it's like I'm like, I love 494 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,600 that this series is on on Shamit's shoulders. 495 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,280 Like let's go with that. I will take those shots all day 496 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,040 long. Like Deuce McBride, who's oddly 497 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,600 become unstoppable in the play offs. 498 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320 But it's like that at some point that's going to wear thin. 499 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,960 There's that, but there's also, you know, you see it in person. 500 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,560 You know, these are all pro athletes, but it's relentless. 501 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,840 The Pacers and and you you brought it up. 502 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,400 They have to score because when they score, it allows them to 503 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,160 set up their defense. But they play 90, They play the 504 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,040 the entire court. They play full court defense. 505 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,440 And you can tell like Bronson is annoyed and he's tired. 506 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,320 It's like I just want to bring the ball up. 507 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,960 Like I don't want Nee Smith up on me the entire time. 508 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,160 It's not Nee Smith like he'll run around the screen. 509 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,320 It's like boom, there's Nemhart. Or like they're separate. 510 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,280 It's just like none of these guys can get any space And you 511 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,200 see them getting tired and frustrated and like Josh Hart is 512 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,640 making fouls because they're just they're annoyed. 513 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,240 And it's not, it's not like the Bobby Portis thing where you're 514 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,080 like messing with people. You're in someone's fate. 515 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,640 It's just like you're playing tough defense, like the Pacers 516 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,600 are just picking you up and they have seven guys who can pick up 517 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,920 full court. And it is you see it wearing the 518 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960 Knicks down. How how it goes against the 519 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,400 Thunder or the Timberwolves will be a different discussion for 520 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,720 different podcasts. But you see them wearing the 521 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,680 Knicks down and and yeah, you are right. 522 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,640 If you look at the the Pacers in the future as Heather basketball 523 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,480 reference page up, sorry, but you know, you you look to the 524 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,080 future, they you know, if they re sign Miles Turner that they 525 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,080 they just this is a team that needs to be able to say we're 526 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,720 going to go on the tax for a little bit. 527 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,880 But it, you know, this first second apron stuff is, is rough. 528 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,280 And you have teams like Boston who like cannot, you know, 529 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,880 there's repeater taxes being in the second apron twice. 530 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,240 But you know, when you look at Siakam is making 4548 and 52 the 531 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,480 next three years, Halliburton's making 45485255. 532 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,880 That's that's really pretty good, especially when you 533 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,280 consider going to pull up the Knicks contracts. 534 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:31,320 You know, someone like Towns is making 5357 and 61 million over 535 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,760 the next three years. Those are just huge, huge 536 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,200 numbers and and it just becomes really tough to build a team 537 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,040 around guys like that. Well, and I will say I'm not, 538 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,120 I'm not willing until the Knicks are dead and in the ground to to 539 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,640 say that the Pacers are advancing. 540 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,840 Because I think what you've seen in these last two games is the 541 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Knicks can score with you possession for possession. 542 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,480 And you know, the Pacers what what gives them the chances to 543 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,480 win, also almost prevents them from really building a huge lead 544 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,920 and maintaining it like these deep rotations that Carlisle 545 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,760 engages in. It worked. 546 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,120 I, I think it's worked once in these playoffs, maybe twice. 547 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,920 You know, it was game four in the Cavs series. 548 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,840 They, they that was a rocket ship and, and I forget which 549 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,800 game it was in the, in the Bucs series. 550 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,200 And that has been Game 2. That might be wrong on that, but 551 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,320 the rest of the games have been close or the Pacers have had to 552 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,000 come from behind. And they've had the benefit of 553 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,920 having a fresher starting five that's been on the floor at the 554 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,920 end of those games. But it does keep them from 555 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,960 really nailing the coffin shut. And I do worry, you know, if the 556 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,200 Pacers can't come out with the same mojo that they had in Game 557 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,480 4 where they're pressing tempo, they're, you know, they they 558 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,720 they knew early on they were getting a great offensive game 559 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,480 from Halliburton and they were going to great get a great 560 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,720 offensive game from Siakam. That's the first time in this 561 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,000 series that you could really say you got that from both of them 562 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,480 in the same game. And the Knicks are great at 563 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,880 drawing fouls. The Knicks are great at going on 564 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,760 runs. And they've got a scorer that 565 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,960 can go basket for basket with Halliburton. 566 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,720 And they've got Towns who, you know, if Siakam's on his game, 567 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,720 you can go basket for basket with. 568 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,880 But it's not a foregone conclusion that'll happen every 569 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,560 time. So I guess what I'm saying is 570 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,880 there's a route for the Knicks to come back in this. 571 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,600 I still think that I would, you know, 8590% would bet on the 572 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,160 Pacers just because of how they've been able to control the 573 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,720 flow of things when they've wanted to. 574 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,200 They just have to want to. They can't let that. 575 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,240 Wayne, when you hear Halliburton talking in the post game about 576 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,000 how he let his felt like he let his team down in game three, 577 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,520 really had to push things. It's like, that's true. 578 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,760 That's something that you just have to think about every single 579 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,160 time. And I think that that's kind of 580 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,160 the threshold that Halliburton's got to get through. 581 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,280 If he's going to really get into the top ten player argument, 582 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120 he's got to do that every single game because he is the engine 583 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,160 that drives literally all of this. 584 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,760 Yeah, and unfortunately it it, there's probably going to be 585 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,640 other moments. And it's just it's a feature of 586 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,200 this team that they have these 10 minute spans where they just 587 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,280 kind of forget, you know, Zach Lowe talked about forgetting the 588 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,440 plot. Does they forget the plot of 589 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,960 their offense? And you get, you know, bad 590 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,120 McConnell shots? And it normally isn't those 591 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,640 spots where the rotation has gotten to a point where it's 592 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,840 like Halliburton 4 Subs or McConnell and a bunch of Subs. 593 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,040 Like, man, can we can we, can we always have Siakam or 594 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,000 Halliburton on the court at all times? 595 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,480 And unfortunately, it's like Indiana has in a good way, but 596 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,760 has a bit of the kind of the, I want to say the vibes like they 597 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,520 get the mojo going and they're hard to stop. 598 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,480 But sometimes when they get bogged down, it's like they also 599 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200 have the bogged down mojo where it's hard for them to get going 600 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400 again. So I, I hear you. 601 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,600 That's my fear is that you have another 5 or 10 minute kind of 602 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400 just taking your foot off the gas at MSG. 603 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,120 You can very easily lose that game. 604 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440 And then, you know, suddenly now the window becomes much tighter 605 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,960 and the pressure is really on that Game 6 where suddenly, you 606 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,480 know, it's like winning three in a row sounds tough in theory, 607 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,520 but suddenly you're in Game 6, It's a tight game. 608 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,920 It's like you lose that, you're going back to MSG in Game 7 and 609 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,360 suddenly everything doesn't matter anymore. 610 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,280 We'll stop talking about the future and talk a little bit 611 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,440 more about the the Game 4 atmosphere as a whole. 612 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520 It was wild the number of people that were there. 613 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,440 I mean, first of all, the number of former Pacers that were in 614 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,560 the building for that game. Ever seen? 615 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,400 Yeah, it was staggering. I mean, Dale Davis, Antonio 616 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Davis, Jermaine O'Neal, Al Harrington, Travis Best was in 617 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,560 the building. Derek Collison. 618 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,520 Darren Collison was in the building. 619 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,120 I my favorite of all of them and maybe arguably other than 620 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Reggie, the guy that got the most loudest cheers. 621 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,720 Lance Stephens, and he's been back a couple times and he 622 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,680 owned. It's a huge ovation, Yeah, but 623 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,080 you know, but it was. I, I really felt like they, 624 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,320 they, the way that they spread that out throughout the course 625 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,600 of the game, like every time the crowd needed it, really, it felt 626 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,080 like a college crowd in a way that most of those games don't. 627 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840 We stood most of the game. Yeah. 628 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Well, I mean, I didn't because I was up in, you know, in the 629 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440 cheap seats. Well, relatively they weren't 630 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,560 actually cheap at. All. 631 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,560 But we were up and down a bunch and, and it was loud, it was 632 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120 engaging. There are a lot of random 633 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,120 celebrities like you know, you mentioned Jelly Roll was there 634 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,760 in the last podcast, but then it was 50 Cent, $0.50 was there and 635 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,680 Mountain. Camp Triple H. 636 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,520 Yeah, they were just the triple H1. 637 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,520 I was like I I don't total. McAfee. 638 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,800 That was McAfee, Yeah. What's awesome is all of the, 639 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,080 all the celebrities, like First off, any you don't mention them 640 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080 because they're Knicks fans, but like Timothy Chalamet was there, 641 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,000 Ben Stiller, Spike Lee was all there. 642 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880 But the, the biggest ovation of anybody was McAfee, who then 643 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,960 caught up. And if you haven't seen it on 644 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Twitter, just just does. It's like, on one hand you 645 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,920 should give McAfee the the mic because he's great. 646 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720 On the other hand, like you don't know what you're in for 647 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720 when you give McAfee the mic. I saw a lot of jokes this 648 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,320 morning on Twitter and and on Reddit. 649 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,520 Like if, if David Stern was still alive and in charge of the 650 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,440 NBA, he would have like McAfee would be like a black site right 651 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,640 now. Like we wouldn't, we wouldn't 652 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,320 know where he was at. Like they would have escorted 653 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,000 him out of the building in an unmarked tunnel. 654 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720 But, and it, it hit just right at that point, Like, it really 655 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,480 kind of pumped the audience up at the end there. 656 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200 It was a lot of fun. I, I give the Pacers game day 657 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,640 staff a lot of credit. Like they, they set that up for 658 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280 crescendos at exactly the right times. 659 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,040 And I give the Pacers credit too, Like when they needed to 660 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,560 get the crowd back into it, they hit, they hit shots when they 661 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,120 needed to. There were plays that happened 662 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,440 despite the officiating, which was wow on a on a very 663 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,920 particular level of, of bad for both teams really, Although the 664 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,640 the foul disparity and everything. 665 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,400 It's like This is why Pacers fans are constantly saying that 666 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,600 the NBA doesn't respect them and they get screwed at every turn 667 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,200 when it comes to these sorts of games. 668 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,880 It ended up not mattering in this one. 669 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,760 But yeah, just a wild atmosphere all the way around in the arena 670 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,280 and. It's something that I noticed a 671 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920 little bit last year, not not as much because I went to the game 672 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,880 four of the Eastern Conference finals, but that one was a three 673 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,880 O lead and it kind of felt like a fake accompli that Boston was 674 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400 going to win. But you know what, what's cool? 675 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760 And I'm I'm very, you know, I'm hoping we can get to a finals. 676 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,960 But what's cool is as you go through the playoffs, you know, 677 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,840 the intensity picks up, but just not only the celebrities in the 678 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,440 crowd, but you start notice there's more media there, like 679 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480 ESPN Deportes is there and they're doing, you know, stuff 680 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,520 on the sideline and where there used to be cheerleaders or 681 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,400 pacemates. It's like there's two rows right 682 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040 where I sit of new media that's sitting there and there's so 683 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,120 many TNT cameras. What you just you feel like, oh, 684 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,840 this is different. The TNT booth is in the stadium 685 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,280 for the halftime show and from everything I've heard, not been 686 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600 to a finals game. It's like it's that another 687 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,400 level when you get to the finals and suddenly, you know, an hour 688 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,640 before the game, it's just tons of people milling around. 689 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760 There's all this media and it was really cool to see. 690 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,200 That was really cool. And I agree with you, The having 691 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,880 been a season ticket holder with the Pacers for 10 plus years now 692 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,000 going to games, they've always done a great job with the in 693 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,280 game experience. And, you know, it's, it's a an 694 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,720 arena that's built just for basketball. 695 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,600 I love that. You know, the, the Garden is 696 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,440 great, has like the organ, but you know, the Patriots are 697 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,600 great. They have a drum line up in the 698 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,199 top that kind of starts the defense chant, you know, and 699 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,199 they, they use the drums very effectively. 700 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,040 It's just it's a very fun place to go watch a game. 701 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,639 Yeah, it was, it was good. And it's one of those where I 702 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,320 hope the next game we see at game bridge is, you know, game 703 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,760 three of the finals. But we'll see what happens. 704 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,800 I mean, obviously, the, the thing about this and it, this is 705 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,760 where it does somewhat contribute, I think positively 706 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,920 to the Pacers. And, and frankly, it's like the 707 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,520 the fact that Nesmith was able to go as long as he went and 708 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,560 looked relatively unaffected by the ankle sprain that he 709 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,679 suffered in game three. They got to play again tomorrow. 710 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:42,800 You know, they're they're playing. 711 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880 Carlisle in the post game saying like, you know those, you know 712 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,520 what, what helped us was we didn't have to fly 'cause 713 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,360 sometimes those things, you know, balloon up in the 714 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,440 airplane, which I'm like rent a van like the Nesmith drives. 715 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,880 Like sorry, hey, you're, we're taking you a limo to New York. 716 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,160 You have to drive. Sorry buddy. 717 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680 Put him on a train, get get him out there. 718 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,160 I don't know if there's even train service, but hey, you 719 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,240 know, do what you need to do. But that's that was that was 720 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,360 interesting. I hadn't heard that. 721 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,640 But no, should be a lot of fun. It's it's going to be 722 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,840 fascinating seeing what happens these next couple of days. 723 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,960 I mean, you're going to I what was I heard? 724 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,240 I forget which podcast it was. It might have been it might have 725 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,320 been Zach Lowe's podcast about game three of the Timberwolves 726 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,120 and Thunder series where he said, you know, you you can't 727 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,200 quoting somebody else was like, you can't fake desperation. 728 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,440 And that's what you're going to see out of the Knicks on in game 729 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,120 five. That is going to be a desperate 730 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,800 team. This is it for them. 731 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,440 And the Pacers have managed that. 732 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200 I mean, they managed the atmosphere in game one where it 733 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,920 was like there was an Uber confidence out of the Knicks and 734 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,720 the Pacers didn't look ready to deal with it. 735 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,360 And then they figured out a way to deal with it. 736 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,720 And they've played them very even and slightly better up to 737 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,120 this point. But I am curious to see how this 738 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,040 Pacers team, which is still learning some of the finer 739 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,480 points of finishing off games and series, you know, as a 740 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,680 collective unit, because they are relatively young, all things 741 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,680 considered, you know, at least in terms of like who they rely 742 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,320 on as their engine in Halliburton. 743 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,720 It's it's going to be fascinating to see how they deal 744 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,360 with that and what the gardens like. 745 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,840 Because I will say the one offset to that in the Garden is 746 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,320 these you've got Knicks fans who are going to get nervous very 747 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,560 quickly if things don't go their way right away. 748 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,480 I mean, it kind of it happened at the end of game one where the 749 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,920 atmosphere just kind of went S weirdly there over the last five 750 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,160 minutes or so. So I am there's a lot of 751 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,080 different factors. I'm fascinated to see what ends 752 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,120 up happening. You hope for what I was saying 753 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,400 before game five against Cleveland, which is you just got 754 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960 to keep the game close. You can't let the Knicks get on 755 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,080 a heater, get up by 10 or 12. Like you, you saw it in game 756 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,200 five against Cleveland. The Pacers kept it close. 757 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,960 You just keep it close to the third quarter. 758 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,120 And if it's close, then you know all those Warriors are going to 759 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,000 start creeping. The pressure mounts on the 760 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,600 Knicks. And then if you can just get up 761 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,080 by three or four points, which is what the Pacers did in the 762 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,520 fourth quarter against the Cavs. The Cavs, you know, the Pacers 763 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,880 continue to play well. The Cavs self constructed and 764 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,280 just turned into like, all right, Mitchell, save us and I 765 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,800 can see that. I can see the Knicks doing the 766 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,760 exact same thing where she's like Brunson save us and he's 767 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,440 good. That the trouble is, and this is 768 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800 mentioned other places as well, but like when you start playing 769 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,840 that hero ball, like that's when Mitchell Robinson and other 770 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,040 players, they stop going as hard for rebounds and defense because 771 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,320 you say you start getting disconnected from the game. 772 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,240 You saw it with the Cavs where Struce started missing shots. 773 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,760 It's like then all of a sudden they're down by 6 and they don't 774 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,480 have the ball. And it's like, Oh my God, we're 775 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,880 going to lose in five games. And then once that sets in, now 776 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,600 you got it, you can just topple the giant. 777 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,760 I think that's the path to victory is just you keep it 778 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,400 close, save your dry powder and then in the fourth quarter 779 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,160 you've got to just get them to a point. 780 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,760 The the worst case would be if you let the Knicks get to like a 781 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,360 7 or 10 point lead. Let them get comfortable and 782 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,840 never feel that. Pressure should be a lot of fun, 783 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000 whatever ends up happening in Game 5. 784 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,560 Looking forward to seeing what happens. 785 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,600 Scott, any final thoughts before we wrap up our? 786 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960 Our Indiana wrap up of the 500, the double, the Pacers. 787 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,880 Let's do some finals talk. If we if we make to the finals, 788 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,480 we got to do a couple of pods on the finals. 789 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,280 If we make the finals, I'm going to be simultaneously donating 790 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,360 plasma and running a bunch of bake sales. 791 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,320 See if I can generate enough money to pick buy a ticket. 792 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,160 Man, I looked at those ticket prices yesterday. 793 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,960 They're already finals. Yeah, well that cause 'cause 794 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,200 season you can sell the tickets before the matchup is set. 795 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,200 I actually did that for the ECF game three. 796 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,640 I bought it before the matchup was set, but yeah I mean top 797 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,040 upper level like 2 two 14216 tickets are going for like 850 798 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:49,720 each right now so yeah yeah so it's it's if anyone even love a 799 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,840 delightful companion to watch the game with I'm very 800 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560 available. I just want to say that so I. 801 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,880 Will end on this probably way too much information, but I I 802 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,040 try and, you know, I want my kids to have good experiences. 803 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,000 I like to travel with them. I do trips with them and you 804 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,440 know, I took my my son James, like we went to a road trip to 805 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,920 New Orleans to watch the Pacers game there. 806 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,920 And I was kind of telling him, like, you know, if we make the 807 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,560 finals, IA road trip to Oklahoma City is not off the table and we 808 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,880 can try and I'm kind of like, we can try and do that. 809 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,640 And so he's been excited about that. 810 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480 And then in game three, you know, he he goes a lot of games. 811 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,760 They were game three. And he's like, Hey, Dad, if we 812 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,040 make the finals, we should also do a game where you buy two more 813 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,160 tickets and as a family, we can go to a home game. 814 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,600 And I'm like, James, money is not unlimited. 815 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160 Like there does like I want I want you to have the world as 816 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,760 your oyster. But like there does come a point 817 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960 where I I cannot provide everything to you. 818 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,200 And he's like, we can't also do two games in Oklahoma City and 819 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,240 then come back and buy four more tickets for for the home. 820 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,400 The finals tickets start to get pricey, my man. 821 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,240 Yeah, I had to tell. It's probably not going to 822 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,560 happen. 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It's been a lot of fun talking 835 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040 about everything here the last couple of podcast episodes. 836 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,040 Hopefully you're enjoying it as well. 837 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,640 Be sure to subscribe to us on YouTube and or sub stack. 838 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,960 We will catch you folks. On the flip side, stay never 839 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,080 daunted and yes, yes, we brought back the bison. 840 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,520 And you know what folks? If we can bring back the bison, 841 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:42,320 we can do anything. Have a good one folks.