1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,400 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:21,800 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cascade 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,400 and klaviyo joining. You here solo tonight. 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,100 Little bit of an unusual one, but a lot of stuff going on that 5 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:30,600 we need to talk about some questions that you folks have 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,200 about conference realignment. What's going on with it? 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Where are we headed with everything? 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,700 It is the fifth of July. 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As you know, you get this flurry 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,600 of activity and then you essentially don't have anything 57 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,900 going on and and it's easy to kind of get lost in the shuffle 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,100 as far as trying to figure out what is happening and what we 59 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:28,900 need to be paying attention to. Now, you know, the things I 60 00:03:28,908 --> 00:03:32,800 think are the most interesting at this stage is I would not 61 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,400 necessarily expect anything immediate and final to take 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,400 place. Now I might be proven Wrong by 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,900 this. We might see Notre Dame announce 64 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:43,900 tomorrow for all we know one way or the other. 65 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,000 But the more I look at this in the more you read between the 66 00:03:48,008 --> 00:03:52,900 lines of what's being posted by Porter's who have sources or who 67 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:56,000 are close to the scene, the more I think we're probably going to 68 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,500 be in a little bit of a holding pattern here and the reason for 69 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:04,000 that is because there's a lot of players right now jockeying for 70 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,800 position and that position is really dependent on Leverage and 71 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,700 about this idea that what each individual player brings to the 72 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:15,400 table. And I'm talking about, not just 73 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,100 the, you know, the conferences. But I'm talk about the 74 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:20,000 individual schools at this point. 75 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:23,300 That leverage needs to be exercised. 76 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:25,400 There's going to be a lot of backroom dealings going to be a 77 00:04:25,407 --> 00:04:29,500 lot of, you know, you got the cell phone up to one ear and 78 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:31,500 then you get a different cell phone up to the other are. 79 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:34,700 And, you know, hey Notre. Dame's got the ACC on one line 80 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:38,500 and the Big Ten on another line and they're exchanging DMS with 81 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:40,500 the Pac-12. I think everything's kind of on 82 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:43,000 the table right now. Couple of interesting notes to 83 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,500 start with. First of all, if you're not 84 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:49,000 following John Canzano.com, he's got a lot of interesting, 85 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,700 tidbits and Nuggets. This is a guy who's covered the 86 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:56,300 Pac-12 for a long time and as based out of Portland, he had a 87 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:58,800 fascinating quote, which goes along with some of the stuff we 88 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,100 talked about in our podcasts last week. 89 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:03,600 And I'm just going to quote from the piece here. 90 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,600 A source at UCLA told me that the discussions with the Big Ten 91 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,900 got intense about eight weeks ago. 92 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:12,900 So, you know, you're basically talking about the end of April, 93 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:18,000 beginning of may also, I'm told that USC, and UCLA didn't 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,500 communicate with each other, about their Pac-12. 95 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,500 Departures until quote the 11th Hour when Bruins ad Martin 96 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:27,200 jarmon. And Trojans ad Mike bone got on 97 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,000 the phone together said, One Source quote, I can't believe 98 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,100 this didn't get leaked. You Can Count Me In the list of 99 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:35,000 people who can't believe this. Didn't get leaked. 100 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:37,500 That's a really fascinating tidbit though because I think 101 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:42,100 what it really highlights is that, you know, we tend to think 102 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:44,100 that there's all these Machiavelli and power plays 103 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:46,100 going on behind the scenes and everything is really well 104 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:49,200 coordinated and everybody's really got their ducks in a row 105 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:53,500 and This case, the and in many other cases, I don't think that 106 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:57,100 that's actually the case. What you often have is schools 107 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,900 operating out of individual self-interest at least in the 108 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,700 early stages of these things. And then finding out that they 109 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:06,100 actually have common cause for all we know, it might have been 110 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:10,000 the Big Ten that at one point tipped off, USC and UCLA, like, 111 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:14,900 have you guys talked at all, you might want to because this might 112 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:16,900 end up looking better and then you end up with the, you know, 113 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:20,500 the the essentially, the statements to get released at 114 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,900 The same time. So that's something to keep in 115 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:25,000 mind with a lot of the other things. 116 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,100 We've got some questions about individual schools pairing off 117 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:30,600 and potentially operating in tandem with each other, and that 118 00:06:30,608 --> 00:06:35,400 may indeed be happening. But I do think that overall a 119 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,600 lot of this is not as well thought out or thought out from 120 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,200 his purely strategic perspective. 121 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,500 As a lot of times we are led to believe keep in mind that a lot 122 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:48,100 of the information we get is actually secondhand or 123 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:51,800 third-hand it passes through. Well sources that ends up in the 124 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,400 hands of journalists orchids, communicated to journalists but 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,000 the people communicating it to the journalists aren't 126 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,900 necessarily the decision makers themselves. 127 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:00,700 So it's somewhat a game of telephone. 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,800 It's always going to be interesting watching these 129 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,700 things progress and so that's a caution I think at this point 130 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,100 you know it know it is interesting. 131 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:16,200 Also in that comes our oh peace. He talks about how the Pac-12 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,300 members are quote experiencing a swirl of emotions, they're angry 133 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:24,100 and Feel misled by USC, but they're also mourning the loss 134 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:28,700 of the Pac-12 but are still looking potentially positively 135 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:32,100 at what might be transpiring. And that kind of leads us to the 136 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:35,600 flurry of news that we got throughout the course of 137 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:38,700 Tuesday. Today about things that might be 138 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:41,400 going on. There's a rumor of course that 139 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,500 Oregon and Washington are looking at potentially and 140 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,900 hoping that the Big Ten might throw them an invite but we're 141 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:53,200 also seeing simultaneously. That Utah, Colorado, Arizona, 142 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,300 and Arizona, State may be currently getting talked to by 143 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,200 the Big 12 and this is going to be a really fascinating thing as 144 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,400 we move forward because ultimately the Big 12 and the 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Pac-12 and the ACC are all in somewhat similar circumstances 146 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,200 although with much different details surrounding those 147 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,000 circumstances right now, it's pretty much assumed and kind of 148 00:08:18,008 --> 00:08:21,100 a foregone conclusion. If you look at markets If you 149 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,800 look at the success of individual teams, I mean, Bill 150 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Connolly puts up in together that I highly recommend 151 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,400 everybody. Check out that was published on 152 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,700 ESPN today, that looked at the last 10 years, of college 153 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:37,100 football and the the SP plus ratings of all the schools that 154 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:39,700 are in college football over that period of time and 155 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:44,700 something like 19 of the top 20, or 19 of the top 22 schools and 156 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:48,300 college football from the last 10 years are now going to be in 157 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:54,300 either the Big Ten or the CC. So whatever you think morally 158 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:57,700 or, you know, from a details perspective about how these 159 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:01,700 things are shaping up. The realistic thing to keep in 160 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:05,500 mind is that you're looking at essentially the formation of two 161 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:07,500 super conferences. And then you get everybody else 162 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:10,000 in the question is, what is the everybody else going to look 163 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 like? So you've got three conferences. 164 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,900 + Notre Dame, who's either in the ACC or not? 165 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:18,500 In the ACC, depending on your perspective on things? 166 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:21,500 And you have to look at each of them from the A point of where 167 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:23,300 they, at in the big scheme of things. 168 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:27,400 So the ACC is the most complete of all of those conferences, 169 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,600 it's got the same membership now for the last several years, but 170 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,800 they are also the conference that is probably in the least. 171 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:38,900 Advantageous position from a revenues perspective at least 172 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:40,900 long term. As we've talked about on the 173 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:45,800 previous podcasts, the ACC has that grant of rights deal, which 174 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,300 is tied in, with their ESPN contract. 175 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:51,600 Which unfortunately, for the ACC and its members Schools locks 176 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:57,100 them into a much lower Financial rung than the Big Ten schools or 177 00:09:57,100 --> 00:09:58,800 the SEC. Schools are going to have access 178 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,300 to by like a factor of four or five. 179 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:03,200 We're talking about the difference between 20 to 30 180 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,500 million and eighty to a hundred million on the part of the big 181 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:10,100 conferences. So the ACC is kind of in a bind 182 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:12,900 right now and then you have to look at the other two 183 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:14,800 conferences. You've got the big 12, which 184 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,400 just got raided, they lose their two, most financially important 185 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,100 schools in Texas and Oklahoma. Then they go out and they add, 186 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:25,400 you know, a bunch of what you would, probably call second tier 187 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,200 schools, a lot of group of five schools and they bring those in 188 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,600 and they look at it, I guess and they would say, well now we're 189 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,000 on relatively Solid Ground would least we know who we are and 190 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,100 what we're doing. And can we be in Acquisitions 191 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:42,300 mode? Now is now the time where, if 192 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:46,600 you're the Big 12, you do what we heard today and you say, you 193 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,800 know what, we're going to give Utah and Colorado, call 194 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,300 Colorado, former member of the pack of the The Big 12 left for 195 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:56,600 the Pac-12 about a decade ago. Utah is, you know, State 196 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,600 partners with use with BYU. They're a good football, brand. 197 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,700 You know, they've got some things going for them and then 198 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:07,200 you got to Arizona and Arizona State, you know, for the Big 12, 199 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,100 that's a really attractive package because that's the 200 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:12,600 Denver television market, that's the Salt Lake City television 201 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,200 market. That's the Phoenix television 202 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,700 market and that's some pretty big alumni base has all things 203 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,800 considered that you might be able to throw into the hopper 204 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,700 the 12. Yeah they still have Oregon they 205 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:25,300 still have Washington. And as of now they still have 206 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:29,000 Utah Colorado the Arizona schools and the Bay Area 207 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Schools. And you know the immediate 208 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,900 messaging after the news that USC and UCLA relieving was that 209 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:42,700 the Pac-12 was sticking together and it's hard to know what to 210 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:44,900 believe or not believe I wouldn't necessarily believe 211 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:46,400 that they're sticking together for sure. 212 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Like we're you know, we're not best buddies for the rest of 213 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,800 time but it's like Let's show some solidarity because as a 214 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,000 group we might be better off together. 215 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,000 If we could go get a, an improved television deal over. 216 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,800 What we're currently looking at with the LA schools. 217 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,200 No longer involved, you know, the there was a note about an 218 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,800 again, this was a John Ken's, r0 thing from earlier and he knows 219 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,000 that that conference very well that the conference might have 220 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,200 lost two hundred million dollars off of their television deal 221 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,700 based upon the fact that the LA schools are leaving. 222 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:20,800 Not just because of the ratings, but because of the overall A 223 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,400 television markets. So if I'm the Pac-12, I'm kind 224 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,400 of simultaneously asking myself. Well, you know, are we in a 225 00:12:28,408 --> 00:12:32,000 better position because we have perhaps more respected overall 226 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,500 Brands. And again, here we're talking 227 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:38,200 Oregon, Washington, Stanford, you know, Colorado and Utah. 228 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,200 I think they're certainly up there. 229 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,000 We have more attractive Brands and more respected brands on a 230 00:12:43,008 --> 00:12:45,000 national stage than the Big 12 does. 231 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,400 Why should we let the big 12 raid us? 232 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:51,300 Why couldn't we just stabilize? Why couldn't we We maybe join 233 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,300 forces with the ACC. These are essentially the two 234 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,100 conferences that are left from the alliance that they were 235 00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:59,200 supposed to be in with the Big Ten. 236 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:03,000 And so you do, it's a little Game of Thrones ish because at 237 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,100 this point you have to ask yourself who's in the best 238 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:09,000 position to maneuver themselves where they could be the number 239 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,900 three conference behind the SEC in the Big Ten and some order. 240 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,100 And I don't know if there's a good answer to that yet. 241 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:18,500 I think, you know, the Big 12 has probably got the most 242 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:24,100 overall stability but The Pac-12 certainly has a little more 243 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:26,900 oomph from a tradition perspective. 244 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:30,600 In the ACC has, you know, I mean, the Clemson recently won 245 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,000 the national title, they've got the tie in with Notre Dame. 246 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Each of them has something going for them, each of them as 247 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,100 something, going against them, you know, I'm going to hold off 248 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,700 on predictions on that front because I don't know at this 249 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:43,500 stage, I think a lot of its going to ultimately depend on 250 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:47,800 what happens with Notre, Dame, if anything, and that is as good 251 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,600 of an entry point as any to get into the questions. 252 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,700 That Had from folks. And so I'm gonna start off here 253 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:58,400 by trying to tackle as much of that, as we possibly can. 254 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,800 Let's start with Nicodemus Alabaster, who asked the 255 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,500 following questions here on Twitter. 256 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:06,100 Everyone is watching and waiting on Notre Dame, but the most 257 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:10,100 intriguing part might be out of schools in the ACC decide how to 258 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:13,000 approach the grant of rights many schools want out. 259 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,900 Also, which conference will be left standing the Big 12 of the 260 00:14:15,908 --> 00:14:19,200 Pac-12, it won't be both in my opinion, lots of moving parts 261 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,500 right now. So So to try to take a good set 262 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:26,000 of questions, I guess to take it in relative order, you know. 263 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,100 I think that you're very much correct as far as how the acc's 264 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:31,400 decides to approach the grant of rights and I've seen a couple of 265 00:14:31,408 --> 00:14:36,400 different potential Solutions offered the the the big issue 266 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,300 with the grant of rights is that it is probably binding legally. 267 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:45,900 While the ACC is in its current formation of teams and the 268 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:49,000 reason the grant of rights is so difficult to get around is that 269 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,700 essentially, you've signed a piece of paper. 270 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:53,600 The ties you to the conference and if you leave any media 271 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Revenue that you generate in another conference has to go 272 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,800 back to the ACC. Now if the ACC doesn't exist as 273 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,900 a legal entity, that would probably cancel the grant of 274 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:07,800 rights, but then you've got a whole nother set of problems 275 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:11,200 that you would set up with. They're not the least of which 276 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,700 is okay what happens to all those teams. 277 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:16,200 So they try to reconstitute and exactly how many zeros will be 278 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,700 on the lawsuit that ESPN files if they decide to go that route. 279 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:22,700 So they have to essentially Ali. If they want to get this grant 280 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:26,100 of rights thing addressed, they have to go to ESPN and say look 281 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,200 you are literally going to drive us out of the top tier of 282 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,400 College athletics as a conference, all of the schools 283 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,900 in it Clemson, Florida State Miami. 284 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:39,300 Whoever, if you hold us to this contract in the current 285 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,600 realities financially of college sports will ESPN be agreeable to 286 00:15:44,608 --> 00:15:45,800 that. That's going to be a big 287 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,800 question and a lot of that might end up tying in with Notre Dame 288 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:52,600 because ultimately, Her name's got a separate deal and that's 289 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,200 their NBC affiliation that they can bring to the table. 290 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,500 I think that the the idea that in order to aim might just say, 291 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:03,800 you know what, we would rather be the big fish in the small 292 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,000 pond. We're going to stick with the 293 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,200 ACC and try to maneuver ourselves so that we have access 294 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,300 to the playoff. And we've got scheduling with 295 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,700 the ACC, we've got scheduling with the, remnants of the 296 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:20,700 Pac-12, we can still schedule USC as a non-conference game. 297 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,900 That's no problem. We can still occasionally 298 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,700 schedule non-conference games with Big Ten teams. 299 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Maybe that's what they decide to do. 300 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:32,800 And Pat 40 in his column today which was all about in order 301 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,500 Dame. Talked about that particular 302 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:38,500 thing and this is going to resonate through a bunch of the 303 00:16:38,508 --> 00:16:41,800 questions and comments that people had for this podcast. 304 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:45,700 What snorter Dame's price to walk through the door for that. 305 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,700 Sort of a thing is going to be the big question mark. 306 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,700 Are they going to say? Well, look, yes, we would love. 307 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:56,800 Go along with a strengthened ACC Pac-12 Alliance, but we're going 308 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,400 to need some significant financial concessions. 309 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:02,500 That would be really interesting because they could probably 310 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:04,000 demand it. Like, I think Notre Dame, could 311 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,099 walk in and say we need 80 million dollars a year 312 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:08,900 guaranteed, because that's what we would be getting from the Big 313 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:11,800 Ten. And if you're ESPN, if you're 314 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,300 the ACC schools, what do you do at that point? 315 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,099 Do you say no, we can't do it. And then have Notre Dame. 316 00:17:18,099 --> 00:17:21,500 Leave joined the Big Ten and now suddenly only you find yourself 317 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:24,300 in a position where you don't have a trump card and media 318 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:28,200 negotiations or anything like that ESPN might do it. 319 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,100 I'm sure ESPN would love to peel in order to aim off of NBC with 320 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,200 the schools do that though and this is going to be the big 321 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,300 question because the big issue right now with the grant of 322 00:17:37,308 --> 00:17:42,100 rights is that all of those schools are tied in to a 323 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:44,100 financial number from television Revenue. 324 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:47,900 That is artificially low compared to where the market 325 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,800 rate is at this point. So it's hard for me. 326 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,000 You envision Clemson for instance who you know who won a 327 00:17:54,008 --> 00:17:57,800 national title, looking at Notre Dame making double what they're 328 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,800 making and saying yeah you know we're fine with that or Florida 329 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,800 State or Miami saying something similar so I don't think that's 330 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,400 what's going to happen. I think that the acc's best 331 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,400 Chance is going to be to let in order to him alone. 332 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,800 Let them do what they want to do. 333 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,100 Try to get in touch with the Pac-12 schools and say, look 334 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:20,000 we're aligned we are we're not like the big 12 which this is 335 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,300 where I think the Sure college sports can be really interesting 336 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,000 for people because I can think about the Big 12. 337 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,600 Historically, it's always kind of been. 338 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:30,100 It's the conference that has the schools. 339 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:33,100 With generally speaking, the smallest alumni basis. 340 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:38,500 They have the least amount of national reach and they're not 341 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:40,700 really August academic institutions. 342 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:42,200 I mean, you could make the argument certainly for the 343 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:46,100 University of Texas when they were there and Kansas might have 344 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:48,800 an argument here or there, but the rest of the schools by and 345 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,700 large are just not at the Same level perception. 346 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:57,800 Ali as PAC, 12 schools, ACC schools and Big Ten schools. 347 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,300 And while the SEC certainly is a little more like the big 12 in 348 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,800 terms of reputation, the SEC gets away with it. 349 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,800 By having these huge stadiums, these huge alumni base has 350 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,200 fertile, recruiting grounds, and so much money because their 351 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,000 product is viewed as being so good. 352 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:15,400 So if I'm the ACC I'm like I don't really want to partner 353 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,800 with the big 12 but could I partner with the Pac-12 the 354 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,600 remaining schools there could we bring Oregon and Washington? 355 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:23,800 Ten and Stanford in Colorado, and Utah and the to Arizona, 356 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,700 schools in and, and I'm not trying to leave our beaver and 357 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:30,600 cougar fans out. But, you know, unfortunately, 358 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,700 when when its money and fan base, is your kind of ancillary 359 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:38,000 in this conversation. So do they say Okay, ACC Big, 360 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,300 Twelve, no ACC Pac-12. Yes, let's get together. 361 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:44,900 Let's do some kind of a combined television deal. 362 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,200 Let's try to be the other National Conference. 363 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,900 And then, let's see if we can entice in order to aim with a 364 00:19:49,908 --> 00:19:53,200 better Financial Package. Will that work financially? 365 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,300 I don't know that. It generates a whole lot more 366 00:19:55,300 --> 00:20:00,300 money for either ACC schools or PAC 12, schools, remaining ones. 367 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,900 And I don't know if it necessarily makes ESPN say, 368 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:04,900 yeah, we're going to tear up that grant of rights agreement 369 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,900 that runs for the next 14 years and start fresh, which is going 370 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:10,600 to mean that we have to pay you all more money. 371 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:12,900 So it's a tough spot for the ACC. 372 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Now, as far as what the second question there from Nicodemus 373 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,600 about, which conference will be left standing the Big 12 of the 374 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Pac-12. I think both will be left. 375 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:23,900 Standing in terms of they will both be alive. 376 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:29,900 I think, right now if I had to guess, I'd say it's more likely 377 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,000 that Pac-12 schools will defect to the Big 12 then the other way 378 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 around. Because, right now if you're a 379 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,900 big 12 school, like you're already kind of set and if you 380 00:20:40,908 --> 00:20:43,800 can add additional schools, you're in good shape. 381 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 If you don't add the schools from the Pac-12, you're still 382 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,100 doing fine, you're not in great shape, but you've positioned 383 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:51,200 yourself. Kind of that. 384 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,300 The scrappy Middle America conference, that is going to 385 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:58,700 have some pretty good football. If you're the Pac-12 you don't 386 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:00,700 really have much bargaining power right now in the 387 00:21:00,708 --> 00:21:03,600 marketplace, we're hearing a lot of noise about how the Pac-12 388 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,200 commissioner George klav cough is, you know, it was bad doing a 389 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,300 bang-up job and he's their negotiating meteorites. 390 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:10,700 That was an announcement that came out today. 391 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:13,400 They've restarted that. And it's like, I don't think 392 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,300 it's really going to matter in the big scheme of things is what 393 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:17,300 are they negotiating with right now? 394 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:19,800 You've got 10 schools in the Pac-12. 395 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,000 And even though you lose 200 million dollars off the top of 396 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,600 what their rights you could have been by the LA schools leaving 397 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:30,900 at three hundred million dollars a year, that's 30 million 398 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:33,800 dollars school. That's that's not, that's 399 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,700 certainly not Big Ten Or SEC numbers but that's you can do 400 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:39,800 something with that at least, you know. 401 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,200 So it's a tough spot for them to be in because if anybody 402 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,700 defects, if Oregon and Washington end up in the Big 403 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:49,700 Ten, if Stanford ends up in the Big Ten, if any of those schools 404 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:53,800 that Reportedly met with the big 12 today, decide to go to the 405 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,800 big 12, you're really in bad shape. 406 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:01,300 Now, you'll still have a Pac-12. That's too strong of a brand, I 407 00:22:01,308 --> 00:22:03,900 think to go away. But I view it like, kind of what 408 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:06,200 happened with the Big East, Big East lost all the football 409 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,800 schools and they at some point had to say we're going to hit 410 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000 the reset button here and they went back to being a basketball 411 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,100 conference. A good one, but not the same 412 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,700 basketball conference that they were when they had Syracuse when 413 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:20,500 they had, you know, Boston College when they had, Like the 414 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:24,700 old Big East and I think would happen with the Pac-12, you 415 00:22:24,708 --> 00:22:26,500 know? If if let's say the state 416 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,900 schools get left behind, if Cal gets left behind, you're going 417 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:31,800 to backfill with as many Mountain West schools as you 418 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,900 can, you're gonna call it the Pac-12. 419 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,200 It's not going to be quite the same. 420 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,600 That would be how I would look at it. 421 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,100 This point I think at this point the Big 12 is probably in better 422 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:41,800 position but we'll see. I think there's a lot of 423 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,600 questions to be asked still as far as all that's concerned 424 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:48,700 going back to a question that was asked that is on similar 425 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:52,100 ground by Dan Lewis if Primary goal now is to get in order to 426 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:55,300 aim into the Big Ten. What method is best meet all of 427 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:59,500 their demands, the carrot or crash, the ACC by poaching. 428 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:01,200 A school or two which would be the stick. 429 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,100 If the Big Ten were to grab an ACC school or two, who would you 430 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,800 want UNC Duke or who would be most likely? 431 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:13,400 Miami good question Dan. So I think the Big Ten trying to 432 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:19,100 crash the ACC is a non-starter if no other moves happen with 433 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:22,100 the ACC. Now if Notre Dame, just says 434 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,300 tomorrow. Hey, we're coming to the Big 435 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:26,500 Ten. There's not much the ACC can do. 436 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,900 And at that point I think the Big Ten probably is like, you 437 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,200 know what? We're not going to touch the 438 00:23:30,208 --> 00:23:31,900 rest of the ACC. You know, why? 439 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:34,800 Because the Big Ten is ultimately under the fox 440 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,500 umbrella, and the ACC is entirely under the ESPN umbrella 441 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,700 and the idea that you're going to risk the legal entanglements 442 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:45,900 of trying to go and get a couple of schools out of the ACC that 443 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:50,700 probably only offer replacement level value from Financial 444 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:54,300 perspective and also put you in a geographic area that you don't 445 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,500 have a whole lot going on in. I just don't see the Big 10 446 00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:00,000 deciding they're going to go that I think in that scenario of 447 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,600 Notre Dame were to come, they'd be much more likely to say. 448 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,900 All right. Notre Dame. 449 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:08,400 Would you like Stanford to come with? 450 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,000 You would you like Oregon? Would you like Washington? 451 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,400 Like what would be the move that would make you the happiest? 452 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,400 I don't know what Notre. Dame's demands would be and then 453 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,800 this is where the Big Ten and Notre Dame. 454 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,100 I think right now. Is probably the best and 455 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,700 probably last moment where they might decide to finally get 456 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,600 together in order to Ames putting a lot of noise out right 457 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,300 now. If you understand how media 458 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:34,900 Works, they are pumping so much. We love being independent stuff 459 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:39,600 out there through reporter contacts and it's being carried 460 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,900 to social media and you're seeing it in in the Articles, 461 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:45,700 this has become the drumbeat over the last couple of days, 462 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,700 you know, Notre Dame, we love our independence. 463 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,800 We this is our preference to stay independent. 464 00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:53,600 We can This out for a while, you know, Pat 40 in that piece that 465 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,700 I referenced earlier in Sports Illustrated, even went so far as 466 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,600 to talk about how do you know, Notre Dame can survive very well 467 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,000 on x amount of dollars, you know, 30 40 million dollars a 468 00:25:04,008 --> 00:25:05,200 year. They don't need these huge 469 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,300 payouts that they would be getting if they were part of the 470 00:25:08,308 --> 00:25:10,700 Big Ten or part of the SEC. I don't know if I agree with 471 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:14,100 that point at all because that does catch up with you after a 472 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:15,300 while. And it's not like College 473 00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:19,200 athletics, are going to get any less expensive as the arms race 474 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,100 continues, especially Lee with these two Mega conferences 475 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:25,200 getting underway. But I do think that in order to 476 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,300 aim right now is trying to play as much leverage as they 477 00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:30,600 possibly can. And the reason I think right now 478 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,100 the Big Ten and Notre Dame or about as close as they're ever 479 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:36,300 going to get to dancing is that they have a potentially 480 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,500 symbiotic relationship at this stage in time. 481 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,200 The Big Ten can now offer Notre, Dame a clear path to the playoff 482 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,400 every year. If they want it, they can offer 483 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,100 tremendous amounts of money and Financial Security that will 484 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:55,100 Sure that Notre Dame athletics carries on into the next couple 485 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:59,700 of decades and Beyond they can offer a coast to coast League. 486 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:03,500 Now with one of the primary Rivals of Notre Dame in that 487 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:08,000 league and Notre Dame for their part, can offer probably an NBC 488 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 television deal, which would be more lucrative than if they 489 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000 were. Just the big temperatures, 490 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000 getting a package from NBC on their own. 491 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:17,700 And of course, they offer the Notre Dame brand, which has a 492 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:20,000 lot of cash, a in a lot of different places. 493 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,500 Does that mean that a deal is, ultimately going to get done? 494 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,400 I don't think that it means that. 495 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200 I think it could certainly happen. 496 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800 I think it'd be smart for Notre Dame and I honestly at this 497 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,600 point and I'm sure I can get accused of bias on this whatever 498 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:39,200 I think the Big Ten right now probably would be fine if 499 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,400 Notre-Dame decided not to join. I think ultimately Notre Dame 500 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,500 needs to join the Big Ten long-term more than the Big Ten 501 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,400 needs in order to aim to join and I'm sure there's Irish Ends 502 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,900 up there to disagree with me. You may end up being proven 503 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,500 right, but the way that fought, the finances are going and the 504 00:26:55,508 --> 00:26:57,600 money is going in college sports right now. 505 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,200 I don't see a scenario where 10 years from now of Notre. 506 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Dame still trying to hack it as an independent that they're in a 507 00:27:04,808 --> 00:27:07,000 similar spot to where they're at right now. 508 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,800 Yes, they've made the play off a couple times in the last decade 509 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,800 the last decade is different than the next decade and I think 510 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,000 that that is the big key point that needs to be kept in mind, 511 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,400 most of the Articles I've read on Notre Dame, talking about the 512 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,600 other there. Desire to remain independent, 513 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,600 really seem rooted in the past rather than looking forward to 514 00:27:24,608 --> 00:27:27,600 the future. As far as if you were going to 515 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,200 get teams out of the ACC, I'll tackle that real quick. 516 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:35,400 You know, I just, I don't see a scenario where Duke ends up in 517 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,500 the Big Ten and the Dukes more likely to end up in the ivy 518 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,000 league than in the Big Ten for a variety of reasons. 519 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Not the least of which is they bring nothing to the table with 520 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,900 football UNC. I think would be a very 521 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:49,100 attractive candidate. Miami would be an attractive 522 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,700 candidate. He said, the tires kicked on 523 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,900 them before, but again, I just don't see. 524 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,000 Unless the ACC schools can figure out a way to extricate, 525 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,700 themselves legally or get ESPN, hit the reset button from that 526 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:04,900 grant of rights by becoming increasingly convinced. 527 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,300 We're not going to see any of those teams move and I think the 528 00:28:07,308 --> 00:28:10,800 big tent at this point I'd like well we're fine adding some more 529 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,000 West Coast Schools if we need to and they may not actually even 530 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,200 need to let's see a couple other questions of that note. 531 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,000 We had a question from Benji on that note. 532 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,500 Note, is it possible that Duke and North Carolina have been 533 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,900 secretly meeting behind closed doors, debating, if they should 534 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,200 be Team, 17 and 18? Who would you like more to join 535 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,500 alongside Notre Dame Stanford or Boston College or Miami? 536 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:35,300 Good questions. Yeah, it's absolutely possible. 537 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,200 That Duke and North Carolina have been meeting secretly. 538 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,800 I imagine, you know, now that, you know, I mean, it's a little 539 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,800 different from what I said earlier, we're USC and UCLA 540 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,200 didn't realize they were each talking to the conference. 541 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,700 But now I think there's a lot of schools looking around picking 542 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,300 up the Own try figure out like okay, who's on my team? 543 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,500 And who's not on my team, who would be a nice partner? 544 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,300 If we had to package ourselves for this new reality, you know, 545 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:01,800 the problem the Duke and North Carolina have is that they're 546 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,700 very different institutions and the things that make you North 547 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:09,800 Carolina, really attractive to either the SEC or the Big Ten. 548 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,100 I don't think really follow through with Duke, you know, 549 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,300 North Carolina's got a big alumni base in a really big 550 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:17,500 state. All things considered 551 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,000 population-wise, very good, not great. 552 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:22,200 Football program. But they are at least not a bad 553 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600 football program and they obviously have a top-notch 554 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,600 basketball program. They have top-notch other 555 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,900 sports, they have top-notch facilities, you know, they're 556 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,100 still viewed in some circles is a really good academic 557 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,400 institution Duke, certainly, as the academic institution part 558 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,800 going, but they have not a whole lot else besides basketball and 559 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800 who knows what? Duke basketball, poach Pote, G's 560 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,900 host coach chefs. Key looks like, is it go? 561 00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:50,000 I mean, do we know that Jon scheyer is going to be able? 562 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,300 To take this Duke team to the same Heights. 563 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,800 I know they're recruiting well, initially here, but do you want 564 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,700 to take that chance? As I mean, go back and look at 565 00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:00,700 the pre Coach K history of Duke. I mean, they had some Highs but 566 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:02,800 it wasn't like they were the dominant team that they are. 567 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,200 Now, you know, if I'm the Big Ten and I've got my choice out 568 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,200 of the group of teams that you listed Benji, I'm probably going 569 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,500 with Miami along with you and see because it gives you entry 570 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:16,900 into Florida. It gives you a really big media 571 00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,500 Market or gives you a great fertile recruiting ground and 572 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:21,000 Miami's you. Used to traveling all over the 573 00:30:21,008 --> 00:30:23,200 place anyway. I mean Miami's in a conference 574 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600 where they got to go all the way up the Eastern Seaboard. 575 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:27,200 They got to travel to Pittsburgh. 576 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,700 They got to travel to Boston, College, got travel to Syracuse 577 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,300 traveling, the Big Ten schools, and really bothered in them that 578 00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:34,500 much. So that's something I think to 579 00:30:34,508 --> 00:30:37,100 keep in mind with that. Boston College is a complete 580 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:38,800 non-starter. I mean, you want to talk about 581 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,100 an athletic department that has kind of been dead in the water 582 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:45,100 for decades. I mean, it's it's they've had 583 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,000 good athletic directors in there that have tried. 584 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,900 Boston, just a pro sports town. I mean, it's Boston College is 585 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:52,800 essentially an afterthought. They were kind of an 586 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,800 afterthought when they joined the ACC to. 587 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:58,100 So I don't see them being a reasonable option and you don't 588 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,400 really need the Boston Market, if you're the Big Ten, 589 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,300 especially if you get an order Dame because that pretty much 590 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,400 gives it to you anyway. So that would be my pics there, 591 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,500 but we'll see. I again, as I said earlier, I'd 592 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,700 be real surprised if any of those teams ended up coming to 593 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:13,300 the Big Ten when it's all said and done. 594 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:18,900 Unless something radical happens with the grant of rights, Drew 595 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:21,900 Duncan asked since Notre Dame has not come out and said, no, 596 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,800 do you think this could point to actual discussions being had? 597 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,500 Yeah, absolutely. I am 100% convinced that 598 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,900 discussions of some nature are being held between Notre Dame 599 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,800 and not just the Big 10 but the SEC, the ACC, the Pac-12. 600 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,400 I think everybody is having a conversation with Notre Dame 601 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,200 right now and vice versa also of Notre Dame does join. 602 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,800 I see them. Requiring the Big Ten to put 603 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,400 them in a pod with the LA schools. 604 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,000 I just feel like they're too stuck up to Free to play IU, and 605 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,500 Purdue each year. That's funny. 606 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:57,700 Although I don't know if we can say that the school that Purdue 607 00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:01,500 or the Notre Dame has played the most in big in their history of 608 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:02,700 Big. Ten schools is Purdue. 609 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,300 They play them on 87 times historically, more than 610 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,900 Michigan, where the Michigan State, and they just agreed to 611 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:11,000 play Indiana in a home and home now, will they do that every 612 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,400 year? Probably not. 613 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,500 But I think the whole pod discussion I think is predicated 614 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,600 on the idea that we know Oh, what the structure shape of this 615 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,400 is going to look like, I do think there's going to be some 616 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,800 kind of a pod or sub-divisional system, but it may not be like 617 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,200 three protected Rivals, it may end up like, if this gets to 20, 618 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,700 you may just decide to split the Big Ten Conference into two 619 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:38,800 divisions and just have the divisions, play each other and 620 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,500 use the conference Championship, as a de facto play-in game for 621 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,700 the playoff. I mean, that's, that's 622 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:47,100 absolutely a scenario that you could run into, which kind of 623 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,300 takes the pot idea out of there, you know, like I think, Her 624 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,700 name's arrogance, their reputation for being arrogant is 625 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,300 well-earned and we're going to get into that a little bit here 626 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400 with another question, but I also think that Notre Dame's 627 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,000 going to be reasonable because on the one hand like partnering 628 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,300 with the LA schools and having them like be regular opponents, 629 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,700 May it's helpful to some degree but it's not going to help Notre 630 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,700 Dame to play. Both USC and UCLA every year 631 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,400 that that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, they want to 632 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,900 spread their schedule out, they want to play in a bunch of 633 00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:23,500 different places and so, so I think it's more likely that if 634 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,100 there's going to be some kind of a pod set up, nor Dame's going 635 00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,400 to want USC in their pod beyond that. 636 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:29,700 I think it's probably a little Freer. 637 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,400 And honestly, I think they probably just want Purdue in 638 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,300 their pod to a, because, its traditional, and be, because I'd 639 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,500 be a pretty easy win for Notre Dame every year I think. 640 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,400 Let's see. Carlin way asks, do you see the 641 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,200 Big Ten staying at 16 teams for now if Nora Dame does not accept 642 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200 the invite? Yes, I do. 643 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,300 Because ultimately the money is what matters in order to in can 644 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:54,600 bring a lot of money to the table in order, to aim could 645 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,400 potentially bring, you know, enough money to not just pay for 646 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,600 their share but increase the pot for everybody else. 647 00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:04,900 Their cost of doing that, might be bringing another school in 648 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,200 with them. And I think the Big Ten 649 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,500 certainly wouldn't want to get stuck at an odd number. 650 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,100 Although, it hasn't hurt the a He see, but I do look at it and 651 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,500 I say to myself, if Nora team decides, for whatever reason 652 00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:18,400 that they're either staying in to excuse me, that they're 653 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,100 either staying independent or that they're going to another 654 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:23,900 conference. The Big Ten at this point is 655 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,400 like there's really not a whole lot of other schools out there 656 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,600 that are going to move the needle. 657 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,100 So why why add somebody just to take money off the table. 658 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,500 This is actually the big question. 659 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,300 The Pac-12 has to deal with which is, you know, we could add 660 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:40,000 like San Diego State or we could add, I don't know. 661 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,400 Fresno State, that that's probably a bridge too far. 662 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,500 But, you know, we had a couple of schools out of the Mountain 663 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,699 West and get our number back up to 12. 664 00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:50,699 But like, do we need that y sub. Divide the pie earlier, 665 00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:52,900 particularly for school, like San Diego State, who just isn't 666 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,199 going to bring in any Revenue, they end up taking money off the 667 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,600 table. So, I think the Big Ten if Nora 668 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,700 team decides not to go through with this, or if they decide to 669 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,200 go a different direction, they'll probably probably like, 670 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,900 you know what, we're fine. And we'll just want to wait to 671 00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,000 see what that happens with the dominoes falling. 672 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,500 Because I think what happens at that point Is Notre Dame, not 673 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,300 joining. The Big Ten would eventually 674 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:18,400 lead to some kind of reorganization either of the ACC 675 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,400 or one of the other conferences and of the way, the playoff is 676 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,500 put together, does that lead to the ACC starting to Splinter and 677 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,800 then does the Big Ten have options there that they could 678 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,800 move into. These will be the big questions 679 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,400 to answer but that's I think like there's no reason for the 680 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,300 big tender Rush. At that point, I am a proponent 681 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,500 of expanding it further. I think that they should But I 682 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,700 think Notre Dame. Joining is probably a predicate 683 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:48,200 for any of those sorts of moves. Let's see. 684 00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:51,600 Tim burn. Hi Tim, how you doing? 685 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,800 I'm not saying I'm a genius but if you're the leftover Pac-12, 686 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,900 Big 12 ACC schools, it seems like you should be the first to 687 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:00,100 Market private college athletics. 688 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,100 I've seen this idea of from a few other people. 689 00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,600 This idea that you're going to say, you know what, where the 690 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,000 big 12 we are not going to be able to compete on an even 691 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,200 footing with the Big Ten and the SEC and maybe even the Pac-12 if 692 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400 it figures out already. To reconstitute itself. 693 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:21,400 So why don't we just blow the doors off of everything? 694 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,100 Why don't we dispense with the current model? 695 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,500 Why don't we pay players directly? 696 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,700 And why don't we create a situation? 697 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,000 Where essentially we make it harder for the super conference 698 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:36,900 to do business. The way that they've been doing 699 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:40,400 business by focusing on a different model than interesting 700 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,200 idea. In theory, it's actually very 701 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,900 close to an idea that's been pushed by several people who 702 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:50,400 are, you know, I'd say analysts of college sports. 703 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,300 That would like to see the existing NCAA model. 704 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,200 No longer exists. There were, you know, it's been 705 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:02,600 one relatively long standing, proposal that the, you know, the 706 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,900 historically black universities and colleges, you know, we're 707 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,500 talking about like the Jackson State's and the Alcorn States is 708 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:11,900 essentially the swac. The me a couple of other 709 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:13,900 conferences that are out there in college sports. 710 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,100 Why don't they just break away from the NCAA and pay? 711 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:20,000 Athletes directly and just change the Paradigm that way 712 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,400 because they could do that. There's a lot of reasons why 713 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,700 that doesn't happen. And I think the biggest one and 714 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,700 particularly if we're talking about Pac-12 and ACC here, Tim 715 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,400 is that the college presidents. There would be aghast. 716 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:35,600 I mean we're a lots happened in the last several years regarding 717 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,200 college sports and athletes having rights. 718 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,200 And you got n IL now and you've got the transfer portal and 719 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,100 you've got essentially an environment that's almost quasi 720 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,500 professional. This could actually push it 721 00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:48,400 towards full. Professionalism, where these are 722 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,900 considered as employees. But I think if that were to 723 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:52,300 happen, it would happen everywhere. 724 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:54,800 It wouldn't just happen in one conference because the moment 725 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,400 one conference does it, the other conference is going to be 726 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,800 like, all right, games up, we're not going to surrender a 727 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,800 competitive Advantage. We're going to go ahead and do 728 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,100 the same thing and so I think that's ultimately why you might 729 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:09,000 get a little bit of a lead start if you worked out a model, that 730 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,000 would work for that but I just don't see it happening given 731 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:15,700 Who's involved and what their thoughts have been up to this 732 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,100 point. It makes sense from fans. 733 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,900 Back to the kit makes sense, from some journalists 734 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,900 perspectives. I don't think it makes a lot of 735 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:24,300 sense from the perspectives of most college presidents. 736 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:26,100 And their ultimately the ones are going to be making a lot of 737 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,800 these decisions. Okay, let's see. 738 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,100 A couple other questions nationally and then we had some 739 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:40,600 Big Ten specific questions. First question here From Ghost 740 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,100 of a ghost. Is it possible that new 741 00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,400 conference realignments enervates? 742 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,800 The NCAA. Now, if that major conferences 743 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:51,700 or all schools break away, and would it be possible that the 744 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:54,400 quote student-athlete construct is eliminated to just paying 745 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,000 players and or being only players and students later? 746 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,900 I mean I don't think that sort of thing would happen overnight. 747 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,500 I think that's a gradual that's like a 10 to 15 years shift in 748 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:11,300 ethics and approach. And you know, I do think that 749 00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:16,200 what you're watching is certainly probably the late 750 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,200 stage or the end stage of the current NCAA model. 751 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,500 I don't see a way around that but I also don't think that the 752 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:27,100 NCAA is going away entirely a there's a lot of sports that 753 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,000 have to be administered, a lot of championships that 754 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:33,100 Ministered. And there's really nothing right 755 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:38,400 now that says to me that either the Big Ten of the SEC it wants 756 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,600 to take on that mantle, which is what they'd have to do. 757 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:44,100 I mean the conference's are not set up to manage those that that 758 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:47,200 degree of sports to the way you know from a championships 759 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,700 perspective they certainly managed it in the conferences 760 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,200 but You know, I don't look at that situation as being 761 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,000 something that's going to translate into a complete 762 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,400 Paradigm Shift right now, you know paying players or 763 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,600 separating athletic departments and turning them into 764 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,600 essentially branded businesses. I mean that is certainly 765 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,800 possible. But I also think there's still 766 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,200 some benefits in the eyes of a lot of these organizations that 767 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,300 were talking about both the schools and the conference's to 768 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,900 keeping the current system because there's All some 769 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,100 plausibility in saying this is College athletics. 770 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,900 It's just that we managed football differently than the 771 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,100 other sports. A breakaway is complicated in a 772 00:40:30,107 --> 00:40:33,600 lot of ways and paying players is really complicated I mean 773 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,500 schools have been fighting against paying players for so 774 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:41,100 long now that it's hard to Envision them just turning 775 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:43,000 around and saying, yeah you know, we're going to pay them at 776 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,300 this point. Not the least of which is all 777 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:48,600 the potential challenges in court that you would see on 778 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,500 Title Nine, you know, basis you know Staff at various 779 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:53,900 universities being like, wait a minute. 780 00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:56,900 These people are making how much money and we're only making, you 781 00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,400 know, the pittance that you're paying us as staff members. 782 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,100 There's a lot of things, a lot of many things in that 783 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:05,800 particular Pandora's Box that get opened up the moment that 784 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,000 you do it. Now it's different at the 785 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,100 federal government comes in and says, boom. 786 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,200 These are employees. You have to compensate them as 787 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,400 such. That's a different scenario but 788 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,200 I don't see like we keep hearing this threat of these schools are 789 00:41:18,207 --> 00:41:20,700 going to leave the NCAA this or that or this is finally it for 790 00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,400 the NCAA. Heard that for 30 years and what 791 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,000 everybody forgets is. The schools are the NCAA. 792 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,900 At the end of the day you're not gaining much by breaking away 793 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:32,600 and trying to form your own thing. 794 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,900 Because at this point you've got the thing that matters the most 795 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,500 which is the revenue from college football and the revenue 796 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:41,200 from the television contracts that your conferences are 797 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,600 signing on an individual basis. The NCAA looks impotent and you 798 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,200 know, maybe all this does is it further pushes the enforcement 799 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,800 arm of the NCAA of the A away and I think that happens. 800 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,900 Anyway if the NCAA really tries to go after some of these n IL 801 00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:00,000 collectives but as far as an actual break away, as a result 802 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,300 of this, I'm having a hard time seeing it at this moment in 803 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,400 time. Second question also from Ghost 804 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,300 of a ghost, the growing roles of players. 805 00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:13,100 They have such pack days of school, practice lifting playing 806 00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:16,500 and so on, maybe the player / student division is for certain 807 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,100 athletes. I don't know if Title Nine 808 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,800 precludes this. I mean, it is a big question, 809 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,700 mark and I think One of those things where the, you know, 810 00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:29,200 ultimately, you're looking at a scenario here where people are 811 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:34,800 finally, to some degree starting to wake up to the idea that what 812 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,000 colleges and universities have been selling us and what the 813 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000 NCAA has been selling us for years that? 814 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:42,100 Oh, you know, these are students first and athlete. 815 00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,600 Second, you basically look like a fool if you're trying to argue 816 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,700 that. Now in this current environment 817 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,000 where you've just had a major conference and two major 818 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000 schools. Rules say, we're going to do 819 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:55,900 2,500 mile flights back and forth. 820 00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:00,000 Yes, the travel is not that much different than what we already 821 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,500 have in college sports, but that just underlines. 822 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,700 How far from reality the myth of the student athlete is in the 823 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:11,700 reality, the boots on the ground experience of being a college 824 00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:16,300 athlete and almost any sport. And so, you know, I think the 825 00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:19,200 the idea that that relationship is going to change, I think it's 826 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,400 going to happen, it's going to be gradual. 827 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:22,600 Times. And then it's going to be 828 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,700 explosive at times. But, you know, I also don't see 829 00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:29,900 this particular move or even any of the proposed subsequent Moves 830 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:31,700 In order to aim to the Big Ten, some of these other things 831 00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:36,300 happening as changing business. That much that it would require 832 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,800 a wholesale, alteration of the way college sports handles. 833 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:43,300 Its relationship with athletes, unless the federal government or 834 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:46,100 the National Labor Relations Board, decides to get involved, 835 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,700 and that seems highly unlikely right now, weirdly ni l. 836 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,400 If you take Phase 2 of n IL, which is basically we're going 837 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,500 to pay players for showing up rather than Phase 1, which was 838 00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,200 will pay you for social media posts. 839 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,800 If that's the mode wherein, if phase two is what we're really 840 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,200 in it, kind of solves the problem of paying players. 841 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:10,200 Yes, you've got a lot of Demands on you but you've got plenty of 842 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,200 times to take classes that aren't during school, like 843 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,400 during your season. You've got tutors, you've got, 844 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,600 you know, all this academic support and now through n IL You 845 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,100 could make a significant amount of money if you're good enough 846 00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:27,900 to attract that kind of money. So, you know, this is where you 847 00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:29,900 keep Title Nine out of it because you're able to 848 00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:34,000 essentially have a shadow economy paying the players. 849 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,900 And as long as you can keep your players eligible, I mean even if 850 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:39,000 you can't keep your players eligible, that's the one thing. 851 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,300 It's like, is the NCAA under this environment. 852 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:44,900 Really going to be able to come in and and make any sort of 853 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:47,900 Demands as far as academic eligibility. 854 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,600 I mean, the fact that the NCAA couldn't even police the fake 855 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,900 classes. Candlelit North Carolina, I 856 00:44:52,908 --> 00:44:56,400 think gives you the answer on that but again I think it's an 857 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,500 interesting question and it's one that I am interested in 858 00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,200 seeing the answer to long-term. Let's see a couple other 859 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,900 questions that I wanted to get to here. 860 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,600 There were a lot of them and I'm trying to answer as many of them 861 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,200 as I can. So there was a question from 862 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,400 William follmer. I don't see how the big 12 sees 863 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,900 themselves in the driver's seat when it comes to expansion. 864 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,400 I agree. They stand to benefit from 865 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,600 realignment. However, the Big Ten or the SEC 866 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,300 wants more teams, like Stanford, Washington Oregon, they'll get 867 00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:28,600 them, these are huge Team Art TV markets and will be attracted to 868 00:45:28,607 --> 00:45:30,600 the big boys. That's true. 869 00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:34,100 And additionally, these are attractive academic schools 870 00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:38,000 which makes them very attractive for college presidents, in the 871 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,800 Big 12. I mean, I Again, you have to 872 00:45:41,808 --> 00:45:47,600 really study the culture of college sports to grasp, why 873 00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,000 Stanford in the Big 12 makes zero sense. 874 00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:54,200 I mean, it doesn't sound right on its face and then you 875 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,600 actually dig into it and that would be ridiculous if you like 876 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,500 rice joining the Big 12 and then I would be just as ridiculous, 877 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,100 although even more. So because Stanford's actually 878 00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:07,200 good at sports. So, I think ultimately where the 879 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,900 big 12 thinks they're in the driver's seat is not those big 880 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,600 markets. If they can take, you know, the 881 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,300 to Rocky Mountain schools and the two schools in Arizona, all 882 00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:16,800 of which I think are reasonable ads. 883 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,200 If you're the Big 12, you kind of in the driver's seat because 884 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,600 you've added three really good markets. 885 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,900 You're never going to be at the same level as the SEC and the 886 00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:27,100 big tent, like, you're just never going to get there, but if 887 00:46:27,107 --> 00:46:30,100 you can establish yourself solidly as the number three 888 00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:33,100 conference and you're making money to match, that's at least 889 00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:34,800 a little bit better than the ACC. 890 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,400 You give yourself a Fighting Chance moving forward with 891 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,700 things. So that's that's the one thing I 892 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,600 I would say is that it's a different kind of game, but it's 893 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,700 at least a game that, you know, your place, you can have some 894 00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:51,700 success in and, you know much, you can laugh at that a little 895 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,600 bit. But look at the American 896 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,100 Athletic Conference and the little victories, it was able to 897 00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:58,700 score over the last several years. 898 00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,900 Whether it was UCF or, you know, some of the other schools that 899 00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:05,600 have been in their Houston. Making a final four, you know, I 900 00:47:05,607 --> 00:47:10,700 mean, you've seen those schools, get some wins, so to speak. 901 00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:13,600 In the big scheme of things and I do think that that's going to 902 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,400 be an interesting thing to watch because I think a conference 903 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,500 that is realistic and goes and adds the best teams for it's 904 00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:25,000 situation is going to be in really good shape as you move 905 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,800 forward. Whereas a conference like the 906 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,800 ACC which thinks of itself as the third major, but in reality 907 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,200 is down on the next level. If they keep reaching for the 908 00:47:35,207 --> 00:47:38,100 Stars, they might end up going the opposite direction. 909 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,000 Richard Parrish jr. Said, Ed. 910 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000 I think the big toes in the driver's seat to remain a legit 911 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,200 power. Five conference by adding the 912 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,400 Arizona schools, Utah, Colorado adding Washington, Oregon will 913 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,400 be great but not really realistic or necessary. 914 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,900 So I guess we're on the same page with that William also had 915 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,300 the following Nebraska thinks they are God's gift to the Big 916 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:01,000 Ten true. They do think that it would seem 917 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,300 to me that the Irish will act more entitled than them both 918 00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:07,100 schools. Need the Big Ten more than ever. 919 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,100 They can't stand to lose access to the National Championship, or 920 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:13,100 the ability to build Schedule. I want Notre Dame but not with a 921 00:48:13,107 --> 00:48:15,800 sweetheart deal. You know, look, I think that's a 922 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,000 reasonable take. I will say I think at this point 923 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,800 while Notre Dame does need the Big Ten you could make an 924 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000 argument that Notre Dame would at least survive for the next 925 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,900 ten years on their own and probably still be very 926 00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:30,200 competitive. Nebraska, definitely needs the 927 00:48:30,207 --> 00:48:32,800 Big Ten and you were talking about a team that and a school 928 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,900 that had great timing to have gotten into the Big Ten when 929 00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:38,100 they did. And now be essentially a decade 930 00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:40,700 plus long member really puts them in a good spot. 931 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,600 Spot compared to where they could have been. 932 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,100 If they hadn't joined the Big Ten at the moment that they did, 933 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,800 you know, I think the idea of a sweetheart deal for Notre, Dame, 934 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,800 it's like, what I said earlier about them, potentially joining 935 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,400 the ACC. I don't think the need is great 936 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,700 enough on the Big Ten side that they would give Notre Dame that 937 00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:58,500 deal because they would want it to be. 938 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,200 I think they might wave the initial entry thing that 939 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,300 Maryland and Rutgers have had to go through where they don't get 940 00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,900 a full share, for a few years of the television Revenue. 941 00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,700 Think they'd wave that with Notre Dame but they don't need 942 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,400 to entice an order Name by saying, hey, we're going to give 943 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,400 you more More money than the rest of these teams and I don't 944 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,900 think that would be received well, whereas any of the ACC 945 00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:19,500 might have to do that. And that would also not be 946 00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:22,100 received well by those teams. And it would also require that 947 00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,400 Notre Dame probably make some concessions of their own. 948 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,900 So, you know, I don't think that Notre Dame is going to lose 949 00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,200 access to the National Title regardless. 950 00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,900 But, you know, because I think whatever deal ends up coming 951 00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:37,600 down. It's hard to see the Big Ten in 952 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,200 the SEC. Just not letting anybody have 953 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,100 access to The national title, it could happen, but if they have 954 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:45,700 to let Notre Dame in, they might have to let some other schools 955 00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:47,500 in as well. It'd be much easier in order to 956 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:51,200 aim was in the conference, but I think, one way or another, in 957 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,400 order to is going to have access to the National Championship in 958 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,400 some way shape, or form. So, we'll see what happens as we 959 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,400 move forward with that. Okay, a couple of other items. 960 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:03,000 Al Forno asks, what does this mean for non football sports 961 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,700 through a Big Ten lens? How many Conference basketball 962 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:07,000 games? What do you do with the 963 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,300 conference tournaments? Does the Big Ten just send all 964 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,600 the softball and baseball teams to 24 February is the travel 965 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,600 support to season, soccer all good questions, you know, I 966 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,300 think Conference basketball games. 967 00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:20,600 I think we're going to stay at 20. 968 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,400 It feels like that's the number that everybody's kind of agreed 969 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,800 to. And look, I think if you have a 970 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,600 stable group of teams, you're playing on a regular basis and 971 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,300 then you have some crossover that happens on a regular basis 972 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,700 that is probably enough on the basketball front. 973 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:43,000 If you've got 16 teams you know, essentially Only if you play I 974 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,700 don't even know what the total number would be but there's a 975 00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:47,700 way to ration that out where you could play certain teams twice a 976 00:50:47,707 --> 00:50:51,200 year and the rest of them once a year and then have a rotation 977 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,800 going on that and maybe the twice a year, opponents are 978 00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,600 similar to the Pod system that we're talking about in football, 979 00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:59,800 you know. But I think the numbers going to 980 00:50:59,808 --> 00:51:01,400 stay at 20. I don't see them going back to 981 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,200 18. I also don't see them bumping it 982 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,600 up to 22 unless the foundation or the landscape of college 983 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,600 football or scuse me college basketball, just completely 984 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,100 changes Conference tournaments. That's an interesting one. 985 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,400 A 16-team conference tournament is certainly doable. 986 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,900 The ACC runs a 15 team one right now. 987 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,800 You know, a 16 team were would just look like a region in the 988 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,000 NCAA tournament at this point with a 1 and a 16 seed and then 989 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,900 all the way down. If you get to 18 teams, 20 990 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:35,300 teams, it gets a little trickier but that's where I think you got 991 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,900 to. I talked about this on either 992 00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,200 the first or the second podcast we did last week. 993 00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:43,900 You have to start a little bit, getting out of the mindset of 994 00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:47,200 how conferences have run up to this point. 995 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,300 And you have to stop thinking about, well, they're in a 996 00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:53,100 conference and so they have to play everybody at least. 997 00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:55,600 Once I don't think that's necessarily how it is. 998 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,800 Because I look at this kind of Big Ten revamp where there are 999 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,000 Coast to Coast Conference and it's like, well, they're more of 1000 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,400 a brand and within that brand there are subdivisions or sub 1001 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,000 conferences, kind of like the NFL where you don't play every 1002 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,600 team every year, In the NFL but you're all part of the NFL and 1003 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,300 it's you might meet a team in the Super Bowl that you've never 1004 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:21,000 met before in the regular season but that's okay. 1005 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,100 And we're just we're cool with that. 1006 00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:27,300 This is why honestly, I've been advocating for Big Ten expansion 1007 00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,100 out to 20 or 24 because it's like at this point, it's more 1008 00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:35,000 about having a suite of athletic brands rather than just having 1009 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,700 the best school here or there that fits a geographical 1010 00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:42,800 profile. So I think for conference 1011 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,000 tournaments, if you wanted to keep a traditional model, 1012 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,600 there's ways to bracket out as about as far as you want to go 1013 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,400 in terms of seating and whatnot. But I think in terms of, you 1014 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,500 know, the way that everybody comes together, I would not be 1015 00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:00,100 opposed to splitting the conference down into smaller 1016 00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:02,600 component parts, and then figuring out how you're going to 1017 00:53:02,607 --> 00:53:05,300 do scheduling from there. Knowing that, at the end of the 1018 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,800 day, what matters is the television inventory, from a 1019 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,100 revenue perspective, and the idea that you're always Going to 1020 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,500 be able if you schedule accordingly to protect the 1021 00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:16,700 rivalries that you want to protect and that seems to be 1022 00:53:16,707 --> 00:53:19,600 what fans are the most interested in at this point. 1023 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,800 And it's been one of the disingenuous things I think of 1024 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,300 the whole debate is this idea that you know the the 1025 00:53:26,308 --> 00:53:30,900 non-geographical interactions aren't going to necessarily be 1026 00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,600 very exciting to people. I mean look that may be the case 1027 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:39,100 in some instances but again you can redo your schedule so that 1028 00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:42,500 you're focusing on geographical. A proximity, some of the best 1029 00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:44,700 rivalries that we're talking about in these orientations are 1030 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,500 not geographical in nature USC. Notre Dame, those schools are 1031 00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:51,400 not close to one another, you know, the like things like that 1032 00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:56,100 exist and I think you'll start to see these things be accounted 1033 00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,200 for in developed as we move forward. 1034 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,600 It's just going to depend on where everybody lands and then 1035 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,600 what that ultimately ends up doing. 1036 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,300 So that's that's kind of how I would look at that. 1037 00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:08,300 And then, as far as like, you know, just big can send softball 1038 00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,900 and baseball to Cali for February. 1039 00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,100 Yeah, I mean, This point you'd be a fool if you were the 1040 00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,100 conference, not to try to take advantage of that to some 1041 00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:17,900 degree. And I think for something like 1042 00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:21,400 to season soccer, it actually makes this sort of thing easier 1043 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,900 because you're not having to jam all the games into one fall 1044 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,000 crowded schedule, you can spread them over two semesters and that 1045 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,500 does help quite a bit. A couple other questions here 1046 00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:36,100 and this is actually similar in form elbows in. 1047 00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,600 How do you see more Big Ten teams impacting basketball 1048 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,800 schedules lesson on? Conference games not playing 1049 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,000 every Conference Team essentially, just answered this. 1050 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:46,800 I think it depends on the number of teams. 1051 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,700 If you have 16 teams you're going to have to write, you 1052 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:54,200 know, ratio it out to where you play everybody at least once, 1053 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,100 which is going to reduce the number of teams that you're 1054 00:54:56,100 --> 00:55:00,600 playing twice and that's again it's not ideal the I mean unless 1055 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,400 you get to a point where you just like we're going to split 1056 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:08,200 it and so you know, if it's 16 teams and that's it. 1057 00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,100 Perhaps you have an eight-team division, an Division. 1058 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:13,800 And everybody plays everybody else in there once and then you 1059 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,900 play essentially all, but two of the teams in the other division 1060 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:21,200 once and that gives you your 20 games, I do that you're going to 1061 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,200 see more games in the conference. 1062 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,000 Like I said, and if it's 20 teams or 20 games in the 1063 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,100 conference, I don't think you're gonna see any less 1064 00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:31,300 non-conference games. The one question mark ends up, 1065 00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:39,000 being does The reorganization of things in college sports, mean 1066 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,900 that these big conferences try to cut some of the smaller 1067 00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:44,100 conferences, out of like the NCAA tournament. 1068 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,100 I doubt that that would happen but you know, that might be the 1069 00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,500 change that we're talking about in terms of non-conference 1070 00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,500 games, but I think that will mostly stay the same. 1071 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,600 Let's see, we had a big question from Ross Baker. 1072 00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:01,700 If we stay at 16 schedule is probably three protected Rivals. 1073 00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:04,800 Is it for football, Purdue, Michigan State in Maryland. 1074 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,200 That's one. I've seen banded about. 1075 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,300 I've seen Rutgers in place of Maryland, at 20 or 24. 1076 00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:12,200 We risk being stuck in a pod with Michigan Michigan State, in 1077 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000 order to aim and heaven forbid. Ohio State seems like, things 1078 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,000 are about to get much easier or much worse than the Big 10 East. 1079 00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:22,700 That's his for Indiana. Look, I think I don't think 1080 00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:25,200 anything can get much worse than the Big 10 East and football. 1081 00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:31,300 Do you know it, even that scenario that you described, you 1082 00:56:31,308 --> 00:56:35,100 know, I think there'd at least be some flexibility for the 1083 00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:39,500 other four teams, having some winnable games in there and 1084 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,000 Michigan State's at least someone on your level. 1085 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,900 But I really think they're going to have to go to either a more 1086 00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:49,700 subdivided system or smaller pods even if you get to 20 or 1087 00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,400 24. Actually, I think if you got to 1088 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,900 24, you've got essentially to l've team divisions at that 1089 00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:59,300 point and I think you just play everybody within your divisions 1090 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,900 without having crossover games, I think that's that ultimately 1091 00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:03,300 ends up. Being how that works. 1092 00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:08,300 Also, big risk going to Ten Conference games once you expand 1093 00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:11,900 past 16 for football. That might happen. 1094 00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:15,300 I, I don't know. I mean, it's interesting because 1095 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,400 we're just now a few years into the nine-game conference 1096 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,500 schedules, 10 game conference scheduled to certainly a 1097 00:57:21,508 --> 00:57:23,700 possibility. I don't think we're gonna get 1098 00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,500 there quite yet though, because there's We got eight seven or 1099 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,800 eight years, still nine years, maybe even more than that, for 1100 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,500 some schools of non-conference opponents, they've already Inked 1101 00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:37,000 contracts with. So I think for now at least the 1102 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,500 idea of three non-conference opponents, probably stays the 1103 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:43,100 same, even if it means you're playing less of a proportion of 1104 00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:46,000 your overall conference schedule against conference against 1105 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,700 Conference teams. So yeah, that's that's that one 1106 00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:53,000 from from Ross and he had one other item as well. 1107 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,000 Actually, which was Basically asking something similar in 1108 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,100 terms of like you know, just can you get to six wins if your eye 1109 00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,400 you Football under this circumstance? 1110 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,900 If you go past sixteen teams and I look, I think so IU football. 1111 00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:13,900 Ultimately in this new revamped setup is just going to have to 1112 00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,900 devote more money to football and you know, just be more 1113 00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,500 resources, more on it and more on, I owe money. 1114 00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:23,000 You know you're going to have new recruiting Vistas opened up. 1115 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,300 Maybe that causes people to consider I you Ball in ways that 1116 00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:30,000 they hadn't before. But that one way or another, if 1117 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,300 you want to be competitive, You got to figure out a way to 1118 00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:36,600 expand what you're doing with football beyond words currently 1119 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,800 at and that's taking into account that the last 12 years 1120 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,700 of IU football have done. A lot of those things with 1121 00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:45,700 facilities expansions and with money being paid to coaches and 1122 00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,800 with higher caliber of recruits coming in on a more regular 1123 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,200 basis, like a lot of that works been done already but more that 1124 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,200 will have to be done. Like, this is just the base 1125 00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,800 being laid. Now it's like we got to elevate 1126 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,200 even Beyond if you want to be competitive and get to that 1127 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,900 magical six and six number, I asked a couple of questions here 1128 00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:08,500 and then we're going to wrap up. Let me search for one that 1129 00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,300 hasn't been asked as to the similar question from striped 1130 00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:14,800 ology, what are the odds? I you gets any break in a pod 1131 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,100 structure, seems inevitable, they won't because actually end 1132 00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:22,000 up worse again. I think the Pod structure that 1133 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,500 would be happening if Indiana and Purdue are playing every 1134 00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:29,200 year and Indiana and Michigan State, or playing every year and 1135 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,400 then you've got a third team or a fourth team in the mix. 1136 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,500 You know that still leaves you somewhere between five and six 1137 00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:38,900 games. On a rotational basis. 1138 00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:41,200 And if you're locked in every year just to playing Purdue 1139 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,900 Michigan State, and one other team, even if that other team is 1140 00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:48,100 a Michigan, or Ohio, State or a Penn State, I'd still argue. 1141 00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:49,800 That's better than the current situation. 1142 00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:54,200 And so look, I think Indiana football is going to have a long 1143 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,400 row to hoe, but I think Purdue will as well. 1144 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,500 This is not great for Purdue, it's not great for Illinois. 1145 00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:03,400 It's not great for Minnesota, it's not great for Northwestern. 1146 01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:07,100 It's not great for these these football brands in the Big Ten 1147 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,500 10, or football brands in air quotes that have struggled to 1148 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:15,300 maintain the consistent level of competitiveness, and it just 1149 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:16,400 means you're going to have to adapt. 1150 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,300 But I also think that, if the end of the day, adding more 1151 01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:24,200 teams to the conference is going to even the schedules out 1152 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,600 because this 14-team Arrangement, that they came up 1153 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,200 with after Maryland and Rutgers join the conference has put 1154 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,500 Indiana, probably in the worst scheduling position they've ever 1155 01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:37,100 been in in the program's history and that needs to change. 1156 01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:42,000 You know, I think that there's one more win potentially every 1157 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,800 year for Indiana may be slightly more than that on average under 1158 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,400 a system that doesn't force them to play in the Big 10 East every 1159 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,500 year. So anyway, we want an hour which 1160 01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:53,500 I didn't think was going to happen. 1161 01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:56,000 I was aiming more for 30 minutes but I'm glad we got a chance to 1162 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,300 talk with you folks about all of this, it was fun. 1163 01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:02,600 I appreciate all the questions. I know this is a crazy time as a 1164 01:01:02,607 --> 01:01:06,100 lot going on and it's hard to keep track of everything but 1165 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,100 we'll try to keep a an eye on things as we move forward and 1166 01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:12,700 hopefully be able to give you some more insights, you know, be 1167 01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:15,100 careful about what you read. Be careful about what you see on 1168 01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:18,400 social media. There's already a fake, you 1169 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,000 know, Big Ten Or Big 12, commissioner account, that's 1170 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,700 caught a couple of people. Not a lot of people are going to 1171 01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:26,700 really know what's going on with any of this and that includes 1172 01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:30,200 people in athletic departments, you know, the USC UCLA stuff. 1173 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,000 From what I have learned was not, well, known and it's one of 1174 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,500 the reasons why I didn't leak and that was very last minute 1175 01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:39,400 now, obviously, Talk started like two months before. 1176 01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:41,100 So, that should give you an idea. 1177 01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:43,700 If that was the case of how few people are probably in the 1178 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:46,800 circle of trust, with most of this information. 1179 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,900 So, be cautious. And, you know, the one thing I 1180 01:01:49,908 --> 01:01:55,900 would say is try, you know, if you have an opportunity try 1181 01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,800 reading about histories of college sports and try to 1182 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,700 understand how these programs interact with each other, try to 1183 01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:03,800 understand some of the backstories that led us to the 1184 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,700 certain. This current point one of the 1185 01:02:05,707 --> 01:02:07,400 big issues. I think a lot of people Have 1186 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:12,100 that haven't studied this stuff closely is it's easy to get 1187 01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:14,300 caught up in current competitiveness, it's easy to 1188 01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:19,400 get caught up in the narratives that get spun today in stories 1189 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,400 and articles about what's going on in college sports. 1190 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,600 But what really matters in college athletics is kind of the 1191 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,700 long tail and understanding, not just where we're at, but where 1192 01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:34,200 we were, and how we got here. And so, you know, there's 1193 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,300 there's some good books out there about things. 1194 01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:39,500 There's such as Two resources now to help you understand, like 1195 01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:42,200 even who was in conferences with each other 30 or 40 years ago, I 1196 01:02:42,207 --> 01:02:44,500 think God has some bearing on what's going on right now. 1197 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:51,000 And so, as we move forward, I would recommend trying to brush 1198 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,300 up on that a little bit, and get a better sense of where things 1199 01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:54,700 are at. Because I think it'll give you a 1200 01:02:54,707 --> 01:02:57,400 better understanding and maybe your reactions to certain news 1201 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,200 and certain things happening will be a little different than 1202 01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:02,100 whatever your current knowledge base provides. 1203 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,200 Anyway, thanks again for joining me. 1204 01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:06,800 Thanks to all of you for writing in questions. 1205 01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:10,500 We'll be back with more Crimson cast later on this week. 1206 01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:12,800 Probably probably at least one more this week and then we'll 1207 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,400 have some stuff next week as well. 1208 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,300 And any breaking news will cover as well on the Twitter feed. 1209 01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:19,300 Thanks to our presenting, sponsor own field of peril and 1210 01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:22,500 thanks to the rest of the fine folks at the back home network. 1211 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:23,700 I'm Galen, clivia will catch you. 1212 01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:25,500 Folks on the flip side for everybody.