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Joining you along with Scott 
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It is Sunday. 
November 27th. 

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IU football is over. 
We made it. 

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We made it. 
We made it folks. 

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The the 2022 season comes to an 
end and Indiana drops to 4 and 

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8. 
We're going to talk about the 

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bucket game and everything that 
happened in it. 

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We're going to talk about some 
larger conceptual aspects, 

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regarding the IU football 
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And I don't know where we're 
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but we'll try to give the season
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it deserves first of all, before
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Scott how are you doing? 
I'm doing well, doing well good.

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Yeah. 
It's, it's always interesting 

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when we come to these 
season-ending football podcasts,

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we've done a lot of them and you
know there's been some years 

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here in the last six or seven 
where we've had either to wait 

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until the end of December. 
Beginning of January to do the 

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post season pod and that's been 
nice. 

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That was definitely not this 
year though as the Hoosiers. 

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Really just stumbled pretty much
straight down the stretch, they 

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did pick themselves. 
Zup slightly at the end and it's

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it's a really it's one of those 
feelings. 

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I think that we got very used to
as I you fans and then we got 

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used to not having these kinds 
of feelings at the end of the 

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season and now it feels like 
we're fully back under a rock, 

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not the rock, just just a rock 
as Indiana. 

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They really with there's some 
there's some real issues that 

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we're going to talk about later 
on but I wanted to I guess, 

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first of all, start with the 
Bucket game Scott because there 

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are we're going to get to the 
larger issues later. 

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Yes anyway, Indiana loses this 
game 32:16. 

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It was an odd game for a variety
of reasons and obviously the 

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headline here was the injury to 
Dexter Williams. 

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The second who was 
unfortunately, on a non-contact 

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play injured. 
And it was just, it was one of 

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those plays where when you 
watched it happen, if you've 

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watched football long enough, It
was that you knew immediately 

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that it was bad and you knew 
also that, you know, when they 

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didn't show a replay after a 
10-minute delay that they 

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realized how bad it was as well.
And I mean, you know, you don't,

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you can't really fully speculate
on, you know what, it might have

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been to some degree, it doesn't 
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it certainly didn't matter for 
the game but just just a real 

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bad set of circumstances for 
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you thought with the way that 
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that Indiana might have been 
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know, they were, they were 
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that first quarter, you know, 
and they'd had the, the two 

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plays for 74 yards drive that 
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mean, calling that a drive is a 
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with that. 
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run, you know, and then they 
force a punt from Purdue and 

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Indiana drives down the field. 
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convert on a fourth in one. 
They have a First and Ten at the

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Purdue 24 and then it just kind 
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falls apart there as Williams 
gets injured, you know, Scott, 

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it's hard to it's hard to 
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What might have been in this 
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Clearly Indiana was moving the 
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lot of momentum going for them. 
That's just that's that's a 

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really Ali, tough emotional 
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as a team. 
We do when your quarterback goes

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down under any circumstances. 
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given how the team had kind of 
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Dexter Williams as the starting 
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offense designed to exploit his 
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Yeah, it's and I think the way 
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either. 
I mean, if you know, it happens 

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on a contact injury, nothing 
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But at least mentality wise, 
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all right. 
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more pissed at Purdue or it's 
like this happens, we shake it 

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off like I'm sorry to have it 
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making a cut. 
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it's like that almost I do in 
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You automatically get all the 
tweets of you know. 

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Oh my God we're cursed and It's 
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conclusions besides that. 
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as a player to where it's like, 
man, this is, this is not going 

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to be our day. 
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Sorry. 
Did the the kids are up to and 

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they want iPad. 
They they also don't want to 

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re-watch the IU game, but it's 
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back to it. 
I mean, it, obviously like it 

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sucks. 
That's the headline that the sub

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headline is like I watched a ton
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of football, you Just you don't 
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you know, non-contact is also 
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it's like it's wild, you have 
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have DJ Matthews last year 
non-contact Tara's ACL out for 

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the year this year. 
You know, Dexter does this, this

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would have put him out for the 
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Had it happened earlier in the 
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making a hard cut was just 
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And I mean that sucks and yeah, 
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I don't want to project and 
we'll talk about next season 

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later. 
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texting, you know, if it's a 
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again, it's a kid, it's a 
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I want to dig into it but you're
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not even next season. 
He's fully right. 

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Well back, but it's just it, 
sorry. 

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I'm going ahead of myself, but 
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And then you're there was the 
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right who does who's Alan go to 
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bizarre with his choice of depth
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We had a lot of choice. 
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Allen's depth chart looks like, 
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yeah, the offense doesn't do 
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It did kind of feel like you 
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with Williams, you kind of felt 
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some momentum against Purdue, 
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automatically, then felt like 
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State Games Were Somehow were up
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And now it's like, now we just 
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too. 
Victory, which I have some 

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concerns about for the end of 
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But yeah, it felt like they got 
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crazy. 
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And the coaching didn't also 
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after that as well. 
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it sucks, but it's just like, 
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It sucks for the kid. 
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I think they might have been 
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They may not have been able to 
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provided Walt L and the ability 
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That looked a little more 
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is in there. 
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don't think it's days lacks 
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I just think the offense they 
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Lack is really predictable, 
really boring and really good at

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getting three and outs. 
It's like, that's that's kind of

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what it does. 
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unpack there. 
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that the issue that I had with 
the way that I you approach the 

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game was, you know, look, you 
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and clearly last week they found
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running game. 
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against Michigan State, and some
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State not effectively adjusting 
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But a lot of that also was 
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that yes they can run block and 
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Williams abilities, you know, in
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is a quarterback. 
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when you pair it, with the 
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Indiana's roster. 
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perspective, the problem is 
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that as your offense, you can't 
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capable of running that offense 
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and, you know, it's, it's 
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That Dexter Williams suffers a 
non-contact injury, that knocks 

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him out of the game. 
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That Williams could have 
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some point in the game and not 
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I mean, that's just the nature 
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even something specific to. 
Anna. 

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That's the nature of a running 
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position where you're you're 
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every play if you're a running 
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disturbs me a little bit and 
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prepared to continue on with 
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somebody else and you know this 
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clearly had worked on this prior
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They clearly had tried to 
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different. 
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doing that because I think they 
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terms of their offense. 
That had really not been there 

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since mid-september the, but 
then to not have somebody else 

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that you could bring in, even a 
Donovan McCully. 

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Who while I know he's not in the
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hasn't forgotten everything 
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certainly is capable of running 
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You know, to not have that 
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Have to go to Basel. 
A can try to reinstall an 

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offense that wasn't working when
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Matthews catching passes, you 
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run that in a very ineffective 
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And too kind of highlights the 
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where it's like they do one 
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right in there able to keep 
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consistently, they can be in 
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But when something happens that 
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one thing, they really don't 
have something that they can 

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pivot to. 
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because, you know, you look at 
the yardage gained, it wasn't 

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like the offense was irrevocably
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mean, after McCulley goes out 
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I think 275 of the 421 total 
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that they gained after me. 
Gully where, excuse me? 

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After after Williams went out, 
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offense, just broke for the rest
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What did break was their ability
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or do anything in terms of 
scoring? 

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And that is not a new problem. 
With I you like, you know, they 

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they showed an ability to move 
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and that was actually an 
improvement, but their 

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inability, it's kind of like I'm
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World Cup lately and I've see a 
lot of teams that just don't 

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have a goal scorer. 
And I you essentially just 

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reveals itself as You know, most
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touchdowns over the last few 
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If there were any came on either
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of plays and they just don't 
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outside of it with basil, act 
under Center running that kind 

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of pass offense because I think 
it's far too predictable and it 

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gives the defense far less to 
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So that's unfortunate. 
I can't hold it too much against

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IU in this game. 
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starting, Back goes down that 
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completely pivot but it is 
disappointing that they didn't 

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fully commit to the bit and they
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that clearly wasn't going to 
work long-term in the game. 

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The other thing that I texted 
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drove me nuts and it's something
that I see a lot in Indiana 

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leans into and it drives me 
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And at times, I feel like I've 
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I'm I'm constantly amazed from a
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conservative Ball. 
Coaches are just all across the 

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board. 
I feel like, I feel like if you 

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just transported me to 1987, I'd
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NBA knowing what I know now and 
be like, why are you guys taking

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more threes like three is worth 
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shorter shot? 
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threes? 
I feel like at some point. 

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Somebody's going to unlock this 
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Belichick kind of does this he's
pretty aggressive but the the 

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fact that coaches preach, you 
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possession is important. 
Fight for every yard we do 

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everything just to watch them 
completely piss away. 

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A possession drives me nuts at 
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it set up where you have 
back-to-back possessions your up

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73. 
Theoretically, you could be up 

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21-3 with two good drives 
without Purdue touching the ball

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because you and the second 
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the second half with the ball, 
you know? 

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But it drives me, that's the 
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let you pick the line. 
It's, you know. 

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Are you like you aren't good 
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haven't earned the right to be 
conservative? 

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I'm not sure which I like but a 
workshop it but I was also 

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texting you that you know this 
is something I am a fan. 

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I'm also an investor I like 
keeping up with investing. 

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I watch Like CNBC, this is 
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that. 
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people get into investing and 
when they're young, one of the 

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biggest mistakes they make is 
there to conservative like why 

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don't want to lose money on 
negatives like well no, you have

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like being conservative can 
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return like you you're losing 
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A lot of other returns, and I 
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I you falls into you. 
Look at it, take the injury 

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aside to Dexter Williams and to 
your point. 

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You have to because this is 
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alternate plans, you only had 
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half, but the first three were a
to play to a drive for TouchDown

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for two plays great, a 15-yard 
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had a field goal attempt? 
That's a great drive. 

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You want to You play drive for a
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and 13 place. 
You had three really good 

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drives, you've unlocked. 
Something even with Dexter 

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Williams out, you've done, you 
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You have a season history of 
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- one game and Michigan State. 
You get the ball with 335 left. 

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Any basis to say we're going to 
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Your Purdue on their heels. 
Purdue look shook for new looks 

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like, oh my God, we're gonna 
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to lose the Big Ten West to 
Indiana. 

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You the ability to have 
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I know that, you know, you're 
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it over? 
It's like, well, you can't live 

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like that. 
Like I'm going to Atlanta 

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tomorrow like I'm not worthy. 
Oh my God. 

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What if the landing gear breaks 
the plane? 

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Like, you can't live like that, 
you can't be this conservative 

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and then the second then, you 
know, getting because you come 

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back net, you after half times 
three and out three and out, 

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nine plays field goal attempt 
10, plays field goal by that 

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time, the game is over. 
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suddenly. 
Then you're doing laterals with,

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you know, inside the 5-yard. 
Line on a kickoff. 

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I This is something that I 
really wish would get addressed 

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is that you just when you're at 
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you're at a deficit for players 
you can't just be conservative 

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and do the same thing everyone 
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you throw a pick six and it's 
over but like the other option 

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is you die by a Thousand Cuts 
which is what happened? 

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And but you had an opportunity 
there to at least you and I say 

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this all the time you throw it 
deep. 

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A lot of times good things 
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agree and disagree with you at 
the same time. 

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I look, I think at the end of 
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made sense because look while 
you are correct that I you did 

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put together three good drives 
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It was almost entirely on the 
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and look at even at that 5013 
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yard run for yard, pass three 
yard run. 

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There was a 12 yard pass but 
then run five are pass, run, 

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run, run, run, run. 
One yard pass and then the three

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yard pass and that was it. 
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done, was running the ball, 
you're in the shadow of your own

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goal line there. 
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ran the ball. 
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bit of an issue with the idea 
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during that time, but the play 
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the last two play calls where 
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clock out there. 
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the shadow of your goal line, 
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they were on that first down. 
That's where I think. 

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Okay, at that point, you take a 
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you don't make it there, you can
punt. 

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The ball produce, not in danger,
of blocking it, or you're not in

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danger of getting a safety 
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that. 
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bigger issue though, was the 
reaction. 

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The Tom Allen had to that last 
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I mean, when and this to me, 
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we've About a lot with IU 
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this Vibes based economy that 
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well yeah I mean Alan's in the 
way Alan real hide you the front

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of you the same next to you 
physicality. 

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The the way that Alan reacted to
essentially running the clock 

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out with 3:30 to go in the 
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game. 
Where as you mentioned the 

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opponent is on there. 
R heels and and seems incapable 

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of doing very much at all 
offensively was you would have 

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thought we were going to the 
Rose Bowl. 

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It was very I mean it was I mean
it was embarrassing in that like

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just give his run off the field 
like you've got another 30 

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minutes to play like seriously 
like you've got your team has 

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another 30 minutes to play and 
acting like you just like one 

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the game up for having not 
scored on offense. 

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Your previous three possessions 
is you were not going to hold 

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this Purdue team. 23 points, the
rest of the game and certainly 

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you can be happy that your team 
held on to a lead at the first 

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half but who cares? 
I mean look who legitimately 

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cares and if that's what you're 
getting fired up at. 

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And if you think that that's 
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the second half, that's that to 
me, is the mentality in the 

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approach. 
That's really led to many of the

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problems that Indiana's had in 
games where it's been closed 

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because the It's like the steps 
are being celebrated, not the 

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end result and then they result 
in never comes and so all you're

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left with is the celebration of 
the steps. 

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Like I guarantee three years 
from now, nobody's going to care

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that Indiana was up for on 
Purdue at half at home, you 

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know. 
And that's that to me was the 

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big issue and yes. 
Oh yes. 

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There was conservatism and 
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conservatism get a link for 
that, right? 

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I'm like there's an eye. 
There's a peep. 

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There's also like the, you know 
up like it's a little bit longer

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at a bigger lengthening up for 
it half. 

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We get a link for that, right 
there was. 

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It was the problem to me was 
less the the drive at the end of

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the first half but it was still 
a problem because I think it was

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clear at that point, Indiana was
not had no clue how they were 

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going to win the game other than
try to maintain this defensive 

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Supremacy over the course of the
next 30 plus minutes and that 

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was never going to happen. 
If you've watched any IU 

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football this year, if you 
watched any Purdue football this

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year, you knew that that 
scenario was not a plausible 

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scenario and then to come back 
out. 

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Get three yards in three plays 
punt it away and then produce 

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scores a touchdown and then do 
another three and out. 

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I mean, you knew at that point 
that it was over if you were an 

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IU fan, because you've seen that
scenario on numerous occasions. 

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But it's just, it's irksome that
in a rivalry game where Indiana 

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ended up gaining over. 400 yards
of offense. 

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I mean, you know, one of my 
friends was looking texted last 

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night and was looking at the 
stat sheet and was like, if you 

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just looked At the stat sheet. 
You'd have a hard time believing

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that I you wasn't the team that 
won the game, you know? 

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I mean, they, they outgained 
Purdue by 40 yards. 

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They out rushed Purdue 215 298. 
They had fewer penalties, they 

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only had one turnover, you know?
I mean, it was, it looks for all

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the world like Indiana won the 
game. 

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And yet, produced postgame win 
expectancy was 99.8%. 

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So statistically, this wasn't 
even a remotely close game. 

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Because Purdue made plays that 
mattered at the times that they 

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mattered throughout and they 
adjusted, you know, and all the 

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people who spent yesterday, 
evening saying, well, I you was 

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going to win if Dexter Williams 
doesn't get injured. 

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Like, I don't know that. 
I mean, the chances of Purdue 

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never adapting in this game were
non-existent. 

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In my opinion. 
Yes, they were certainly on 

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their heels, those first couple 
of drives but the moment that 

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halftime blue and Indiana had 
their coach running around 

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Around acting like they just won
the, the college football, 

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playoff over a four-point win, 
it's like that. 

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The game is essentially going to
be over at this point because 

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Purdue is going to go in and 
scheme around what they need to 

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do to get themselves back in the
game and sure enough they come 

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out and it's touchdown Drive, 
followed by touchdown drive and 

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suddenly the game is theirs 
because Indiana has shown at 

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that point that they don't know 
what to do to put the ball in 

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the end zone. 
And so, look, I'm I understand 

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where you're coming from and 
certainly there is ISM. 

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But it's also, I you is so 
limited. 

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By the way, it's offense is set 
up by the Personnel that it's 

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got and by its ability to impose
its will for a full 60 Minutes 

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on another team that I'm not 
surprised. 

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They went conservative because I
don't think that they knew that 

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they had any other options and 
that to me is the larger 

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problem. 
Yeah. 

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Well and to anybody who's like 
you know, Dex really doesn't get

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hurt in Indiana wins that game. 
It's like do we were tied with 

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Michigan at half if you remember
that? 

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Dear Point, like nobody 
remembers that was 10 10 at 

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half, nobody's saying, like, 
well, you know, but if we would 

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put in texture in the second 
half, like, there's no, there's 

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no scenario where like I think 
Indiana beats Michigan this 

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year, but that game was a tied 
game at Halftime. 

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Yeah, I mean people of Indiana 
was tied with Nebraska at 

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halftime that game was 21:21. 
Indiana was up on Rutgers 14 to 

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7 at halftime and look what 
happened there. 

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And you know, it's it's been a 
consistent thing with Indiana. 

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Over the course of this season. 
That, you know, they they cannot

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carry through positive. 
Momentum in most cases and this 

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was another example of that, and
look, losing your starting 

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quarterback hurts, losing your 
starting quarterback. 

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When you put your entire 
offensive plan around, a very 

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particular set of skills that 
the rest of your quarterbacks 

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don't have hurts a lot. 
No question. 

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But you know for people that 
look at this last two games is 

445
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:24,400
like the turning over of a new 
Leaf. 

446
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,400
I don't really see it. 
I mean, what you're essentially 

447
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,300
doing? 
You can say, oh, Indiana, you 

448
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,300
know, it has fight and spirit 
again. 

449
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:34,600
It's like, did they? 
I mean, they had three good 

450
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,300
quarters essentially, the last 
two, quarters against Michigan 

451
00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:41,000
State, and the first quarter 
against Purdue and the rest of 

452
00:24:41,008 --> 00:24:44,500
the time, including the first 
half against Michigan State, 

453
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,300
they looked very much like the 
average or the not the average, 

454
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:51,900
the bad football team that 
they've been for most of the 

455
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:57,300
last two thirds of the season. 
And I, I mean, this is not, this

456
00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:02,400
is just math and numbers. 
I encouraged by what Dexter 

457
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600
Williams could be as our 
quarterback, but I do think 

458
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,500
people need to, you know, listen
to Galen but also like, listen, 

459
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,700
you know, his numbers are worse 
than McCauley's were last year. 

460
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,700
You know, he's basically 
completed three passes into 

461
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,800
games, you're not dealing with 
like this is not a dual threat 

462
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,600
quarterback. 
This is a kid who can run, who 

463
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,900
we can kind of find some places 
to pass. 

464
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Pass. 
He's got a, he's got an arm, he 

465
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
can throw the ball, but we've 
not shown an ability to pass. 

466
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,900
It is not. 
So even going into this game, 

467
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,800
you know, people were kind of 
like, oh, and we have some, 

468
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,200
there's like, I know he went to 
47, like, I kept on thinking, 

469
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,900
like, I just don't know how you 
can replicate this, and I still 

470
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:45,900
feel that way. 
And, you know, so I would urge 

471
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:49,300
everyone to pump the brakes 
because, well, he said are, 

472
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,500
aren't they? 
We had a guy like this last year

473
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:57,400
with Macauley, and he, he's now 
our Receiver and his numbers 

474
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,500
were better. 
I mean, I tell you, it's 

475
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:04,200
interesting because there are 
some positives from the the tail

476
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,200
end of the season and also from 
this game that you I think can 

477
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,300
carry forward and feel okay, 
about? 

478
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,400
I mean, look at the offensive 
line did not play. 

479
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Well, when, you know, for the 
first few drives when basil act 

480
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,500
came into the game because they 
suddenly had to do something 

481
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,300
that they haven't been good at 
all year, which is pass 

482
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:27,300
blocking. 
Now that the thing of it is 

483
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:32,200
there's there's clearly a if 
they had to go back to hill or 

484
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,300
stuff. 
There's well the but the thing 

485
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:36,600
is I mean they clearly they 
actually did get better that 

486
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,900
this was one of the better great
outs that the offensive line has

487
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:43,900
had and both in pass blocking in
and run blocking and clearly 

488
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:52,000
there was a an increase in the 
squad's ability to do the basics

489
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,700
of pass blocking and spring 
running backs and Mr. Williams 

490
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,600
over the course of the last 
couple of weeks or at least over

491
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,600
the course of the, you know, 
that three quarter period. 

492
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,900
That is something that you could
look at positively, you can. 

493
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,400
Also I think you can say to 
yourself. 

494
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,900
Well OK, Dexter Williams as a 
talent is a guy that you could 

495
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:16,400
potentially build around. 
If you are going to fully commit

496
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:22,600
to just being a run, only attack
the and you know you got jail. 

497
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,200
And Lucas, who certainly, I 
think has Has revealed himself 

498
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200
over the course of this season, 
as one of the best young talents

499
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,000
that we've seen at IU in a long 
time. 

500
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,400
A guy that is really able to be 
decisive with the football, 

501
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,700
whether he is running the ball 
or whether he is, you know, 

502
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:42,800
returning kicks. 
What have you the problem though

503
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,200
is like and I feel like, with 
Indiana, it's like it's hard to 

504
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,600
even enjoy the little things. 
Because so many caveats, come 

505
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200
with all of the stuff that you, 
you know, are supposed to enjoy.

506
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,300
Because with Williams, I think 
you brought up the point really 

507
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:57,400
well. 
As we saw in this game like, 

508
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,700
you're just not getting a lot of
passing out of him. 

509
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,300
Now, that could change. 
I think part of the issue that 

510
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:06,600
you run into with Williams now 
is we don't know the extent of 

511
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,400
the injury. 
But as was pointed out in some 

512
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,300
of the postgame pieces, he 
really needed to work on the 

513
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,800
ability to throw the football. 
He's not going to get that 

514
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600
opportunity now. 
Likely, unless the injury is a 

515
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,200
lot less severe than it looked 
like, it was, you know, the 

516
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,900
offensive line despite Having a 
good couple of quarters has not 

517
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,400
shown an ability to do it for 
the entire game in any game so 

518
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,500
far this year. 
And that's probably going to 

519
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,100
take a couple of years to turn 
around, you know. 

520
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:42,300
And so you look at the rest of 
what we saw in this game and 

521
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,200
what you saw was essentially the
same thing that we've seen 

522
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,600
before, which is another team, 
in this case, Purdue gradually 

523
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,400
imposing their will on Indiana 
specifically on, you know, on 

524
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
the offensive side of the ball 
we're Indiana's. 

525
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,100
Defense partially because 
they're out there too long, but 

526
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:00,600
partially, because they haven't 
really measured up play after 

527
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,700
play, like they need to in order
to keep Indiana in games. 

528
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:09,400
Eventually just gets capsized. 
And and so it's this game really

529
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,300
ends up being one of those 
things where you like the 

530
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:14,500
promise of the early going. 
And it's hard to extrapolate 

531
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:18,200
going beyond that because 
ultimately it's still just kind 

532
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,700
of looks like the same Indiana 
team. 

533
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:22,200
It just the script was flipped a
little bit in terms of how 

534
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,300
everything laid out. 
The other thing I saw some of 

535
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,200
this mentioned and I'm it's a 
our friend Tony and Ron, you 

536
00:29:29,208 --> 00:29:30,600
mentioned a couple times on 
Twitter. 

537
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,700
I'm going to butcher his tweet 
out. 

538
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,600
But the other thing too, is 
you're mentioning guys who again

539
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600
near the end, it's like these 
are the ones giving us hope 

540
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,100
going in the next year is Dexter
Williams Jalen Lucas. 

541
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:44,400
It's like, these are all guys 
that were buried in the bench to

542
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,300
start the year and I understand 
therefore, the other freshmen, 

543
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,700
they're young, but to be at the 
end of the year, and it's like, 

544
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,400
well, Dexter Williams is so 
important that if he goes. 

545
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,700
Doubt, we can't even function 
our offense. 

546
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,400
Like this was a guy who was, I 
don't know, like, based on that.

547
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000
You know, the one game where we 
had 17, like he's fifth on the 

548
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,100
depth. 
Chart started the, I don't know 

549
00:30:03,108 --> 00:30:07,200
where he was, but it's like he 
how in a matter of two and a 

550
00:30:07,208 --> 00:30:09,700
half months, has he become the 
most important player? 

551
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:13,400
But he wasn't even our starter 
or sniffing to be starter jail, 

552
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,600
and Lucas all the fans were 
saying, we should play me again,

553
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,900
the backups always are, but like
here it's kind of Justified. 

554
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,100
It's like the fans may be right?
That the backups might be the 

555
00:30:22,108 --> 00:30:25,500
better player because We feet. 
I seem to be proven time and 

556
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,000
time again, that like JLo Lucas 
looks electric, but he couldn't 

557
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,400
get any playing time to start 
the season, and to me, that's 

558
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600
also something kind of when we 
had it, you know, to you year 

559
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,700
ago, with penix, repentance 
didn't look right, and it took 

560
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:40,800
five games for, it's like, 
alright, we gotta go somewhere 

561
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,700
else. 
Then we're just completely 

562
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,600
flummoxed to find the answer, I 
really am. 

563
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Honestly, I always say this 
like, yeah, we're just 

564
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,000
podcasters, like I'm not a 
professional football coach, I 

565
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,500
don't do this. 
The full time I have kids 

566
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,400
coming, interrupt me to play 
iPad. 

567
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:03,000
I'm but I, I know that college 
football coaches, no way more 

568
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,600
than I'll ever know about 
football. 

569
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:09,800
That said I need someone to 
explain to me why I feel so 

570
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,800
uncomfortable. 
That this coaching staff is 

571
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,200
enable unable to figure out who 
the best players on their depth 

572
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,800
chart are because I feel like 
we're seeing this time and time 

573
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,200
again that guys who are second 
third fourth string. 

574
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,500
Come in and are able to do 
things and change. 

575
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:31,700
You know, our Dynamics is MM on 
offense and it's kind of 

576
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,500
mind-boggling that these guys 
weren't given any kind of run to

577
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:38,500
start the season and it's that 
is something that is also very 

578
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,200
concerning. 
Because now it feels like we're 

579
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200
going to have extra Williams 
jail. 

580
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,700
Lucas like those are our guys. 
Like it feels like Alan the 

581
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,300
staff. 
Get kind of fixated on people. 

582
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,200
That's our guy and it's like 
maybe jail. 

583
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,300
Lucas is. 
Maybe you get somebody who's 

584
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,400
better? 
Like are we having competition? 

585
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:58,900
Missions in practice or we just 
I mean I don't know but it's 

586
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,900
like that's something that I 
think is very concerning that we

587
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,900
come out of this and our two 
best players are guys who were 

588
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,200
buried on the bench in The 
Times. 

589
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,800
They Came in. 
They looked great. 

590
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,200
It wasn't like, you know, we've 
been playing jail and Lucas all 

591
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
season and suddenly he's figured
something out this year. 

592
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,700
Like, he's been looking great 
every time he plays doesn't 

593
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,300
played very much. 
Yeah. 

594
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:17,400
There's a lot to be said for 
that. 

595
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,100
I mean, it's and I guess we just
kind of transition out of the 

596
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,100
game and into kind of the 
overview of the Season. 

597
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,400
No, no, but I mean, it's a good 
time. 

598
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,300
Do it. 
But I think we raised a good 

599
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:29,300
point. 
I mean, I think we're where this

600
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,700
became the biggest issue for me 
was last year with Michael 

601
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,600
penix. 
Who was clearly, not right in 

602
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,900
the what five games he played 
for IU before they shut him 

603
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,700
down, and it's clear that. 
If you've been watching 

604
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,700
Washington football, it's clear.
Michael penix was not 

605
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,300
irrevocably broken, but it's 
also clear. 

606
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:52,400
He was not ready to play as a 
starting quarterback last year, 

607
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,700
and And what I can't get out of 
my head is that the coaching 

608
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:01,200
staff was fully vetted or fully 
vested in. 

609
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,300
Michael penix is being the 
starting quarterback last year. 

610
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,700
How you don't see that? 
He is not ready to go and the 

611
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,700
how that doesn't kind of move 
you towards getting Jack. 

612
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,200
Tuttle, fully invested in 
prepared in the season. 

613
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,600
I don't understand. 
Same thing with Dexter would 

614
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,800
hold on, hold on. 
Same thing with Dexter Williams.

615
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,400
This year. 
I mean, Connor. 

616
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,500
He's alack. 
I think, you know, I will always

617
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
stay my own opinion which is 
that basil. 

618
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,300
Act was a pretty serviceable 
quarterback. 

619
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,300
He was a guy who was going to 
get things done through the air.

620
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,600
He got the hips from constant 
pressure and then he started 

621
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,100
making really an accurate throws
and that essentially sent him 

622
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,200
completely off off the pace for 
the rest of the year. 

623
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,800
But, you know, I guess what I 
find weird about a whole thing 

624
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,400
is that the passing game never 
really. 

625
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:58,200
Look good Indiana's going to 
finish this season with a 

626
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,800
completion percentage of 54 
percent which is hideous. 

627
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,300
I mean Indiana's opponents 
completed, sixty four percent of

628
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:08,400
their passes. 
If you look at Basel lack over 

629
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,800
the course of the Season, he had
three games in a row to start 

630
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,199
the year. 
Where his quarterback rating was

631
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:20,000
over. 109 Illinois was 109 Idaho
was 128, Western Kentucky was 

632
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,400
128 and then he had essentially 
One good game remaining in him, 

633
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,000
which was that? 
Maryland game and the rest of 

634
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,800
the time he just got completely 
shut down. 

635
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,300
If and, and look, we talked for 
the course of the Season about 

636
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:39,300
how bad the pass blocking is, 
and that's not, I mean, I only 

637
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:42,100
got some state secret, like the 
past walking was really bad. 

638
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,900
It was actually at its best in 
this Purdue game largely. 

639
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,400
I think because Purdue wasn't 
expecting Indiana to pass. 

640
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,500
There was clearly some magic 
there with Donovan. 

641
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:55,500
McCulley, as you said, why? 
Why not only, is he not in the 

642
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,800
mix or sorry? 
I keep saying down in the Kelly 

643
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,300
because I'm looking at his name 
on the screen here. 

644
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,500
There's clear there was clearly 
something with Dexter Williams. 

645
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,300
So why didn't that happen 
earlier? 

646
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,800
Why when you pulled him, who you
pulled basil? 

647
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,500
Lack out of that, Ohio State 
game, was he the first person 

648
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,600
out there? 
You know, and I've heard people 

649
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,700
say, well, clearly they were 
saving him because they knew 

650
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,400
they were going to go to him in 
the Michigan State game and it's

651
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,100
like, man, that's you, that's 
not a football work. 

652
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,300
You know, I need this idea that 
you have to occupy like 

653
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,700
everything has to be under 
subterfuge in order for you to 

654
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,000
be successful and that we 
couldn't possibly show a preview

655
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,600
of a successful running offense 
because people might get film of

656
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,800
it. 
Well, that's not a sustainable 

657
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,700
model and I think it kind of 
goes back to something that you 

658
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:42,500
were saying it's like to some 
degree. 

659
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,100
The reason players coming off 
the bench have been more 

660
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,200
successful in the depth chart is
the longer. 

661
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,700
You're in the lineup in the Tom 
Allen era at IU the worst you do

662
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,600
because the more film gets 
generated Serrated on you and 

663
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,100
what you can do, which makes it 
easier for the defense to stop 

664
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,500
you. 
And that's basically it. 

665
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:04,000
Like I, you never has a plan B 
when it comes to using their 

666
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,300
players. 
And so, you know, it's a 

667
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,600
testament to a guy like Jalen 
Lucas that he's been pretty, 

668
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,700
pretty consistently good, even 
with a bunch of film, finally, 

669
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,500
accruing on him, but he's the 
exception. 

670
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,700
So, yeah. 
It's a very, very weird setup 

671
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000
when the subterfuge thing is 
funny because I look at like, 

672
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,800
you know, I I do not know this 
is true but you know, you wonder

673
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,200
with a team like Michigan. 
I wonder if they're just 

674
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,600
scouting Ohio State all year and
it's like, well think we'll go 

675
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,600
die you. 
And the cool thing with they're 

676
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,500
doing that well configure what 
they do in the first quarter and

677
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,200
then we'll, it's like there's a 
part where it's, like, we're 

678
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,300
being so sneaky is like, we 
don't want to get any film on 

679
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:41,900
anybody. 
It's like, I don't think half 

680
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,300
the Big Ten cares what you're 
doing. 

681
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,700
Yeah, I think, I think they're 
just show up and be like, yeah, 

682
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,100
we might be down but halftime, 
but I will figure it out like 

683
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,900
they're gonna run or pass and 
like, whatever they do. 

684
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:51,400
They're not gonna be good at, 
and we'll figure it out. 

685
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,600
Now, it's, that's the appendix. 
Thing like it you what? 

686
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,400
I was going to say is like you 
knew within the first quarter at

687
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,800
Iowa, like I'm safe and I'm 
like, he's not ready and yet it 

688
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,500
took five more games or four 
more games, whatever to make 

689
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,800
that call and then back to your 
point. 

690
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
It's like once that happens, 
then it's kind of, like, well, 

691
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,600
this season from the coaching 
staff is kind of cool. 

692
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,500
The season is lost because we 
don't have another plan. 

693
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,800
So how do you not? 
Like I can even give you that? 

694
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,800
Like, you think penix is the 
best option. 

695
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,300
Even a 70% penix, but you can't 
go into that season. 

696
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,200
Without some kind of plan b or 
plan C because you have to look 

697
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,600
at him. 
Be like, we know he's not 100% 

698
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,900
And if you do think he's 100% 
then you are out of your mind 

699
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,900
and you shouldn't be like you're
not saying the fact that we 

700
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:42,100
never seem to have a plan B for 
a team that needs to have plan b

701
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,500
c and d because things never go 
right for us guys. 

702
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,000
Always get injured. 
Like this is stuff that we deal 

703
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,600
with more than any other school.
The fact that we always seem to 

704
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,900
be flat-footed and it's always 
like, well, we need three or 

705
00:37:52,908 --> 00:37:54,200
four games. 
This out. 

706
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,300
So we don't have that luxury. 
Like we just don't and and that 

707
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:00,800
that is again, the frustrating 
part because it felt like for 

708
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,500
most of last year, we went 
through a year where it's like, 

709
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,800
well, you know, shrug Emoji. 
We lost penix. 

710
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,900
Like, you know, we weren't 
expecting this to happen. 

711
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,200
It's like you should have been 
like this is and, and to your 

712
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,800
point, like, you should be 
prepared for decks true, not to 

713
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,100
get injured. 
But just that you might not have

714
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:21,500
dextre Williams, this game. 
So what are you gonna do it? 

715
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,700
Like what's the next option that
you've got to have? 

716
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,500
Three different options and 
looks and it always feels like 

717
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,600
we don't have it and then it 
always feels like the answer to 

718
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,800
fans is like, well, but you 
can't expect. 

719
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,300
It could have been so much more 
but you can't expect that. 

720
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:37,300
And now we're you know, we're 
four and eight but you know 

721
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,100
could have been waiting for even
though really it's not. 

722
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,900
Well, yeah, that and I think 
it's an ultimately, a point that

723
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,600
it sounds like we're on being 
unduly, harsh on. 

724
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,200
I you but it just it's 
consistent enough that it's a 

725
00:38:52,207 --> 00:38:55,500
real problem and There doesn't 
seem to be a solution for it. 

726
00:38:55,500 --> 00:39:01,100
Under, this particular regime, 
where, you know your scheme is 

727
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:06,200
again, I'll use the word brittle
enough that you can't like you'd

728
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,000
have to tie everything up in one
particular thing working. 

729
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,600
And I think it's what we saw 
over and over again with the 

730
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,200
offense this year where they 
would do something that kind of 

731
00:39:15,207 --> 00:39:18,600
worked enough that kept them 
within shouting distance of the 

732
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,900
game in the first half and then 
the other team would adapt to 

733
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:23,600
what Indiana was doing on 
offense. 

734
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,900
It would stop working and there 
was no plan B and that opens up 

735
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:32,400
a whole host of questions about 
you know, how and why that kind 

736
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,400
of thing would take place 
because I just don't think 

737
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,900
that's happening at the vast 
majority of other schools 

738
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,400
playing football. 
The they are able to it either 

739
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,800
make subtle adaptations in what 
they're doing or have enough 

740
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,100
players on the field that they 
can at least gain some kind of 

741
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,900
yardage, you know. 
And we see you know, we've seen 

742
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,600
a lot of bad teams rise up and 
have good. 

743
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,800
Good games and win games, I mean
a Georgia Tech knocking off 

744
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,900
North Carolina a couple of weeks
ago or any of the things that 

745
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,900
happen during rivalry week at 
Texas A&M who had essentially a 

746
00:40:03,908 --> 00:40:08,400
non-functional offense suddenly 
roaring to life and beating LSU.

747
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Now you know, as I you as 
talented as as Texas A&M. 

748
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,500
Of course not. 
Are they as talented as Georgia 

749
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,300
Tech? 
Yeah, I mean it's like what are 

750
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,800
you? 
You know, the rules can't be so 

751
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,900
different for Indiana football 
that they're, you know, one of 

752
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:26,100
the few programs that can. 
Plausibly say well, sorry option

753
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,100
A didn't work. 
Therefore, we're basically out 

754
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:31,600
of the game but that's how it 
ends up feeling in most of the 

755
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
cases. 
And that really is frustrating 

756
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,900
because there doesn't seem to be
any solutions present. 

757
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:39,700
And well, I think we're allowed 
to be hard. 

758
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:43,400
I mean, again, you know, you 
start from 20, you know, 2016, 

759
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,500
2017 there 5 and 7 5 & 7, 8 & 5,
6 & 2 in the 2020 season like, 

760
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:50,600
that's it. 
That's a. 

761
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,000
You've now set a floor of five 
or Six wins, you know that in 

762
00:40:55,008 --> 00:40:57,700
the previous years for that six 
wins six wins, you know, you 

763
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:00,900
have nice, seven-year stretch, 
there are five or six wins as 

764
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:03,600
your floor and now we're 
starting to, you know, hit up 

765
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,400
higher and everything was sold 
on that in the effing team, was 

766
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,800
walking around talking about, 
you know, we're what have you 

767
00:41:08,808 --> 00:41:10,900
done to win the Big Ten today? 
Me, they bought into it. 

768
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:14,500
It's, you know, they they reseat
Memorial Stadium for the first 

769
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:18,200
time, you know, in like seven 
years getting people to give 

770
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,200
more money, everything's built 
on this like hey, we're taking a

771
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,000
step forward and you know, we 
Her base and we're going to move

772
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,000
forward and like again, you and 
I are not saying I'm not pissed,

773
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,400
we didn't make the Citrus Bowl, 
I'm not pissed or not in the 

774
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,700
college football, playoff, I'm 
not pissed. 

775
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,000
When I go to the Rose Bowl, I'm 
pissed that we went. 

776
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,300
We won six games over the last 
two years. 

777
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:41,500
There were not even Bowl 
eligible to end the season and I

778
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,100
think it's a little bit bad 
faith. 

779
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,200
When people are saying like, oh,
you're being too tough for you 

780
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,200
gotta just, you know, you gotta 
give him time. 

781
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,000
It's like, no, we we all kind of
agreed the team, the university,

782
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,400
the fan base, that like we are. 
King, we have the possibility to

783
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,800
take the step forward, but worst
case, we're going to be in that 

784
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,000
56 wins. 
We have the infrastructure, we 

785
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,900
have the players. 
We have the recruiting like it's

786
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,900
all there and then you come out 
and just just fall flat on your 

787
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,200
face. 
And then this year, I think it's

788
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:11,400
slightly better, but it all kind
of hinges on like, how much do 

789
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,000
you take out of that second half
against Michigan State? 

790
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:17,600
Because you take that out, this 
team is 3 and 9, it's there. 

791
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,500
Therefore an eight, but I think 
you're at, you know, you can't 

792
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,200
get it both ways where you get 
to, All the excitement, all the 

793
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,300
interest and like this team 
being better and then you go out

794
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:31,100
and you go to and 10 and 4 and 8
and then you're like, well 

795
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,400
you're being way too harsh. 
Like there's a lot of other 

796
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,600
extenuating circumstances. 
Like that's not nobody was 

797
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,700
saying anything. 
About any extenuating 

798
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:41,800
circumstances coming out of 
2020? 

799
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,700
There was no talk about a full 
program rebuild. 

800
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,200
There was no, talk about 
starting down from the studs. 

801
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,100
There was no start about. 
We're gonna have to fire our 

802
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:51,800
entire coaching staff 
underneath, Allen and redo. 

803
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,400
All of that. 
We're not going to have five 

804
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,600
core. 
Your back street now and then 

805
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,500
like none of that was brought 
up. 

806
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,500
So to then suddenly say all of 
that happen and you're being too

807
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,100
harsh because of all those 
different things like that we 

808
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:07,500
were being sold that this was 
building a base of excellence 

809
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:10,900
and growth like now this team 
knows how to win and they know 

810
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,600
how to win the big games and 
we're on to that. 

811
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,100
And so I frankly get pissed when
people are like you're not 

812
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:20,300
allowed to be this harsh. 
It's like, no, this is this is 

813
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,500
what normal football programs, 
the expectations deal. 

814
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:28,700
With after a 2 and 10 and 4 and 
8 season, like, go to any other 

815
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,900
mid-range, you know, school, go 
to Nebraska, go to Auburn. 

816
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,500
Go to any of those School. 
See how they're doing. 

817
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,600
If they win six games in two 
years like they're going to be 

818
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:43,000
pissed and they have a right to 
be the larger thing this season,

819
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:48,900
if you look at it is, You give 
credit for the victories, but IU

820
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:54,700
is essentially to missed field 
goals away, from being two 

821
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:58,700
antenna, you know, Western 
Kentucky misses a 44-yard field 

822
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:02,400
goal As Time expires. 
And that was that was what got 

823
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,100
the game to overtime? 
And that's where Indiana was 

824
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,800
able to pick up the victory. 
You know, and frankly that 

825
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
almost that it almost didn't 
happen, you know? 

826
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,200
I mean, it was, it was just that
game required, so many things to

827
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,500
go right in A particular order 
at the very end of the game that

828
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,700
ended up being for the regular 
season in college football. 

829
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,100
That was like the 10th least 
likely victory percentage-wise 

830
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,700
in all of college football as 
Western Kentucky at one point 

831
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,400
had a think I guess something 
like a 96.4% win probability 

832
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,300
that game Michigan State mrs. 
A point blank field goal as 

833
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:40,400
regulation is ending that would 
have given them the Victory and 

834
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,800
then the whole Narrative of the 
Michigan State game goes away. 

835
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:45,700
You know, and obviously 
Illinois. 

836
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,500
A there was some luck involved 
there as well. 

837
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,500
It right? 
Indiana did something. 

838
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,600
They didn't do the entire rest 
of the season, which was pieced 

839
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,500
together. 
A last-minute drive that 

840
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:58,000
resulted in a touchdown. 
And, you know, normally, when 

841
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
you look at these kinds of 
things, you're like, well, you 

842
00:45:00,008 --> 00:45:02,900
know, you can play the, if, you 
know, the if San dansgame all 

843
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,200
the time, but like there really 
aren't, there's no other, 

844
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,100
there's no other ifs that should
give you a win. 

845
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:08,600
That's all that trouble. 
That's not like, that's the 

846
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,700
problem is like, it felt like, 
with the exception of the Idaho 

847
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:16,600
game, where they did eventually 
impose their will REI you win 

848
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,200
was lucky and every eye you lost
was decisive and that's not a 

849
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,200
really good formula for success.
And it's what's frightening 

850
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,600
about that is a bad marketing 
tagline for next year, I know. 

851
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Yeah. 
It's but you know, but it's kind

852
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,900
of like if you believe in in 
regression it, you know, people 

853
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,600
are like, oh, you know, this was
about, I guess, technically, 

854
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,900
this was the bounce-back 
regression where Indiana did 

855
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:43,300
have a couple of close games. 
Last year, that went against 

856
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:45,600
them and this year, they went 
for them. 

857
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,100
And that's Essentially the 
difference, but the end of the 

858
00:45:47,107 --> 00:45:49,900
day you're still talking about 
what is essentially a three win 

859
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,100
team. 
You know, if you give them you 

860
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:54,500
take one of the losses or the 
one of the wins away this year 

861
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:57,000
and you give them a win. 
The previous year, you're 

862
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,400
basically the exact same spot 
and that ultimately is a 

863
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,200
problem. 
And I think to your larger point

864
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,500
about people, wanting Alan given
more time and this and that it's

865
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:09,300
like, look, this is the 
infrastructure. 

866
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:15,300
Like, these are not extenuating 
circumstances, losing a, you 

867
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:19,500
know, Using you're going through
as many quarterbacks as IU has 

868
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,200
over the last couple of years. 
Yes, there's a snake bitten 

869
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,200
element to that but forcing a 
quarterback on the field who's 

870
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,900
not ready physically to play. 
You can't turn around and then 

871
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,200
be surprised when that 
quarterbacks no longer able to 

872
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,900
play, you know, running an 
offense where you, I still don't

873
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:39,400
understand what Indiana thought 
they were going to accomplish 

874
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,700
this year, with this passing 
attack, this error rate attack 

875
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,300
when they couldn't block to pass
like that. 

876
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,300
That's the Decision making. 
That's the infrastructure that 

877
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:50,100
that's leading to that decision 
making. 

878
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,100
That's a real problem. 
Like there's a there's a 

879
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,900
fundamental. 
I mean it's like Allen's 

880
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:59,100
postgame comments about how you 
know to paraphrase like well 

881
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,900
quarterback Mobility is going to
be a big aspect that they're 

882
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:04,700
going to look at moving forward 
because you know what, what 

883
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:08,000
Williams is done kind of opened 
his mind and it's like, are we 

884
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,300
serious like quarterback. 
Mobility is a big deal in 

885
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,500
football in 2022. 
You're just now figuring that 

886
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:16,700
out. 
I mean the Dia that you would 

887
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:20,100
need a mobile quarterback, 
especially behind this offensive

888
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:24,100
line, who could avoid pressure, 
who could run the ball, or throw

889
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:26,700
the ball like that. 
That would be a revelation. 

890
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,000
I had to read the quotes a 
couple of times, and I was like,

891
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,600
well, surely there is like not 
serious. 

892
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,500
We almost need. 
I don't have the time my hands. 

893
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,500
We need someone to come with a 
fake Twitter account, like there

894
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:38,400
was like, you know, the Civil 
War. 

895
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,400
General, Andrew Luck. 
Needs to be like, 

896
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,100
turn-of-the-century, coach 
Allen. 

897
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,100
Where he's like this this 
forward pass. 

898
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,900
Like, I think it's gonna stick 
like I Next year, we're going to

899
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,900
we're going to go into this like
our team with leather helmets. 

900
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:52,500
We might throw more than four 
forward passes this year. 

901
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:54,900
It's like yeah, no you're right.
It's it's wildly like a as 

902
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:57,300
mobile quarterback. 
Think this might be a like, we 

903
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,400
should just, we should give him 
video of Michael Vick. 

904
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,400
It's gonna blow his mind like 
they could Virginia Tech. 

905
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,000
He's like, whoa, whoa, It's I 
just it's really hard at this 

906
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
point. 
To trust the direction of the 

907
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,800
program under Tom Allen. 
I mean just it's the you know, 

908
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,600
the I don't know where the trust
is supposed to come from. 

909
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,400
because, The on-field play has 
been really bad. 

910
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,600
The last two years. 
There have been individual 

911
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,500
moments that have looked good. 
There have been individual 

912
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,400
players that have looked good, 
but the sum total of what 

913
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,300
Indiana has done. 
The you know, the only reason 

914
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,200
they're not the worst team in 
the Big Ten is because 

915
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,600
Northwestern and Rutgers both 
exist and they lost to Rutgers 

916
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,700
this year. 
So it's it's hard to even take 

917
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:42,900
solace in that. 
I guess you take solace in the 

918
00:48:42,908 --> 00:48:46,800
fact that Northwestern is 
absolutely horrific but the 

919
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
off-field Agents haven't been 
great either that you know who 

920
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,900
gets hired and fired as 
coordinators, who gets retained,

921
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:57,000
the recruiting decisions, the 
transfer decisions, you know, 

922
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,900
the, the lack of development of 
players. 

923
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:04,800
The like there's so many things 
about the program, that if you 

924
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,300
look at them dispassionately and
you compare them to what other 

925
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,700
programs are doing. 
It's like, I don't really 

926
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,600
understand why decisions are 
being made the way that they're 

927
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,100
made, you know, I don't 
understand why you would go out 

928
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,100
and hire. 
Hire a guy who was going to run 

929
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:23,300
an Air Raid Offense with the 
offensive line that can't block 

930
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:27,200
for it. 
I don't understand why you would

931
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,700
put your stock in a quarterback 
that was not mobile behind an 

932
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:35,800
offensive line. 
That was not going to give that 

933
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,500
quarterback the time that he 
needed as a pocket passer to 

934
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,200
make throws. 
I don't understand. 

935
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,300
You know why you were in such a 
rush to take back the defense 

936
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:47,400
and the control of the defensive
play calling. 

937
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:52,600
If the result was going to be a 
defense that arguably played 

938
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,400
worse this year than it did, 
last year under the guy that you

939
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,400
were in such a huge hurry to 
replace. 

940
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,300
I don't understand the like 
where the positivity is supposed

941
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:08,200
to come from in the recruiting 
that you've done. 

942
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,800
When the players that you've 
recruited aren't making it onto 

943
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,600
the field. 
In most cases and making 

944
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,400
impacts. 
There have certainly been a few 

945
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,900
success stories, but there's 
been a whole lot of big 

946
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:20,200
question. 
Marks about a lot of guys who 

947
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,800
just never made it onto the 
field in the first place for 

948
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,000
Indiana. 
And so, you know, I look at all 

949
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,500
of those things and I say to 
myself, I don't know if you're 

950
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:35,100
an IU football fan, that is 
paying attention and isn't just 

951
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,900
caught up in the cult of 
personality of Tom Allen. 

952
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:41,700
I don't understand where the 
positivity would come from, 

953
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,300
given what we've seen in terms 
of decision-making, out of Tom 

954
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:49,200
Allen as the head football coach
and the The CEO of the program 

955
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:54,100
really since the well since, 
right before the Outback Bowl, 

956
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,400
you know, I mean, it really 
feels like there's a demarcation

957
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,700
line there where the hiring the 
talent evaluation, the 

958
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,700
evaluation of what's actually on
the field for IU, the evaluation

959
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:06,600
of what they can effectively, do
the evaluation of who's doing a 

960
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,000
good job. 
And who's not just doesn't seem 

961
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,500
to be up to par to do. 
What Indiana needs to do, which 

962
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:16,800
is not win, nine or ten games. 
It's win six or seven games and 

963
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,400
be competitive. 
Native IU has been so 

964
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,100
non-competitive at the end of 
the day and so many football 

965
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:25,400
games over the course of the 
last two years that, you know, 

966
00:51:25,408 --> 00:51:28,300
it's hard to give credit in my 
opinion for. 

967
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:29,900
Oh, hey, they played hard at 
Michigan. 

968
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:33,500
State was like what? 
Like what did you think? 

969
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,000
Your job was exactly. 
Yeah. 

970
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,200
Of course. 
I mean you want you want to 

971
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,000
pause for playing hard on the 
road against the team that ended

972
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,500
up going five and seven. 
Like, I don't understand why 

973
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:44,900
that would be cause for 
optimism. 

974
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:47,000
It's like welcome to the basics 
man. 

975
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:52,400
You know, so that that's that's 
where I really get concerned 

976
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:58,200
because I do not see the, I 
don't see the perception on the 

977
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,300
part of Tom Allen of what the 
problems actually are, and what 

978
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,200
they what needs to be done to 
address the problems and fix 

979
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,900
them because we've seen multiple
years. 

980
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:11,700
Now, this is, this is the second
year in a row of IU, having some

981
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:15,900
glaring issues and there doesn't
appear to be either the ability 

982
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,400
to cite what those problems are.
Our or the wherewithal to make 

983
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,900
the alterations necessary to fix
the problems. 

984
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:25,900
I don't suddenly think that you 
know, religion is going to be 

985
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:28,100
found this offseason. 
That's going to make that stuff 

986
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:31,100
a whole lot different. 
I mean, you're going into an 

987
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:34,300
offseason where your head coach 
is still your defensive play 

988
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:37,200
caller, and we know that that's 
essentially an untenable thing. 

989
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:41,100
You have an offense that was 
marginally better this year. 

990
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,800
They know they actually had 
multiple for yard to carry 

991
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,400
rushers, which I thought was no 
longer allowed at IU so they get

992
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,700
Credit there. 
But that came at the sacrifice 

993
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:53,900
of the passing game, which ended
up with essentially no viable 

994
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,400
targets to throw the ball to by 
the end of the season. 

995
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,900
In many cases that like it's 
just there's so many elements of

996
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:04,100
this program that are real red 
flags. 

997
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:06,400
And we've seen very little 
evidence. 

998
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,000
The last couple of years that 
proper adjustments are going to 

999
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,200
be made to address those red 
flags. 

1000
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,500
We said this a couple times like
it just feels like sometimes the

1001
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:19,600
wrong lessons are being learned 
from the experience and it does 

1002
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,600
feel like there really is that 
line after the Wisconsin game, 

1003
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,800
where we took the path, the Big 
Ten patches off and it's like it

1004
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,000
from that point on, it feels 
like Alan bought into the hype 

1005
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,700
of himself and has kind of 
become almost, you know, Cult of

1006
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:40,600
Personality leader and nothing. 
I agree with everything you just

1007
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,100
said, I want to go back real 
quick to just the the I really 

1008
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:47,400
take issue with the postgame 
comments about, you know, kind 

1009
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,800
of being like, we need a mobile 
quarterback and like, that's, 

1010
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,700
that's the future of this team 
is like we've seen the light and

1011
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:55,200
we're going to have a mobile 
quarterback because when you 

1012
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,700
look at it first off, you could 
have, you could have looked the 

1013
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:02,000
same thing last year like last 
year, we didn't have pain X and 

1014
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,800
at the end of the year, it's 
like well we have Macaulay on 

1015
00:54:03,808 --> 00:54:07,500
like maybe this works or not and
what Alan do he went out and got

1016
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:10,800
a transfer in beige black, who's
the least mobile quarterback you

1017
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,300
possibly could have but 
Everything you said is 100%, 

1018
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:16,800
right? 
I don't have faith. 

1019
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,100
This is going to get fixed and 
this is the this is the group. 

1020
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,200
It's going to get you there 
because you're not going to 

1021
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,300
fire. 
You mean as I've mentioned, many

1022
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:29,900
times you've bought yourself 
into this corner where Alan is 

1023
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,500
not going as always people on 
Twitter it's like was this is 

1024
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,400
Alan's last games. 
It's not like it's not and won't

1025
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,300
be next year like Allen is here 
for two more years, regardless 

1026
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:41,500
of what happens. 
So get used to that but your you

1027
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:44,000
can't fire another Other 
offensive coordinator. 

1028
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:47,200
So you have what bell for 
another year whether or not you 

1029
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,400
think he's the right or wrong 
answer? 

1030
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,400
I'm not saying it is when were 
the other but it's, like, you 

1031
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,100
can't go three offense of 
coordinators in three years. 

1032
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,500
You, I guess, you could change 
defense quarter but to your 

1033
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:58,100
point, the defense coordinator 
is not, maybe that's the easiest

1034
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:01,300
job at IU right now. 
You show up and let Tom Allen. 

1035
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:04,200
Do your job for you like that. 
This is where I do. 

1036
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,200
I continue to go back to this. 
Look at some point, you know, 

1037
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,200
there is a boss of this that's 
got Dolson like at some point 

1038
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,600
Dulce is to come in and do 
something but hey, Tom If 

1039
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,200
nothing else, you don't get to 
do two jobs that are both full 

1040
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,300
time over a hundred thousand, 
dollar-a-year jobs, and head, 

1041
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:22,800
coach defense coordinator, like,
those are two separate jobs. 

1042
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,000
No other team in the country, 
has one person doing both or no 

1043
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,600
other team successfully is doing
that. 

1044
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,200
So, you know, some point 
Dolphins, got to step in and 

1045
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,100
like, look, Tom, we're paying 
this guy to be our defensive 

1046
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,500
coordinator. 
He's going to be defense. 

1047
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:36,300
You're going to be the head 
coach. 

1048
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,300
That's a different job. 
Like we're going to look at what

1049
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,800
those differences are and those 
are the things that you were 

1050
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,700
going to do and focus on. 
But, you know, No, we got rid of

1051
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:48,200
Hillier so you're done with that
like there are no changes like 

1052
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,000
this is a wild situation, you 
have a team that went to and 10 

1053
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,300
4 and 8, you're not going to 
make any changes on the coaching

1054
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:59,900
staff because you really can't 
without looking ridiculous. 

1055
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:02,000
So you're not going to make any 
chance to go back into it. 

1056
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:03,800
Going back to the quarterback 
thing. 

1057
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,200
You know I think the biggest 
issue and this is in the if 

1058
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,800
you're gonna have to get 
somebody out of the transfer 

1059
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,500
portal because look I agree with
you, you know? 

1060
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,100
This is where I hope that we're 
both wrong. 

1061
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Yeah, in terms of Dexter 
Williams is health. 

1062
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,800
I would, it would be great if he
is able to come back. 

1063
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,400
We'll have to wait to see what 
the injury is. 

1064
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,400
But certainly looked like the 
type of injury that is going to 

1065
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,200
take some significant rehab 
especially since he's already 

1066
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:34,400
suffered a major leg injury in 
his career that took you know 

1067
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,900
basically him out of the 
equation all of last year. 

1068
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,000
So the problem is If you're a 
transfer quarterback, why would 

1069
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,200
you come to Indiana? 
I mean, you so because because I

1070
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,000
would, you know, the idea of 
people talk about oh fans the 

1071
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,500
way fans reaction, any transfer 
here, Tom Alec, don't call 

1072
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:54,900
Michael penix, like his don't 
talk to Mike, you know, I mean, 

1073
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,900
people people talk about how 
fans affect players wanting to 

1074
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:02,300
play at AT&T or programs and 
wide, but, but, but I'll bet it 

1075
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:07,700
but it's ultimately also the way
that teams Succeed or fail with 

1076
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:09,900
players at that position. 
And if I'm a transfer 

1077
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:11,600
quarterback, I'm looking at 
Indiana. 

1078
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,400
And I say, well okay, let me 
look here. 

1079
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,500
So Jack, Tuttle transferred 
there and essentially rode the 

1080
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:21,300
bench for a few years, like he 
got to start a couple of games, 

1081
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,400
he got injured twice that 
knocked him out for the entire 

1082
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,300
season. 
And clearly Indiana did not put 

1083
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:30,900
an offense around him that 
allowed him to be successful. 

1084
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:34,400
Then this year they make a big 
deal of going out and getting 

1085
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,500
Connor basil, lack in the 
portal. 

1086
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,800
So they bring him in as the guy 
who started in the SEC and his 

1087
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,300
reward was not being named the 
starter for the entirety of the 

1088
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:47,400
summer, right? 
Being named the starter like 

1089
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,900
right on the eve of the first 
game winning at home against the

1090
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:55,200
team that almost went to the Big
Ten title game and then getting 

1091
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,600
basically put in bodily Harm's 
Way every game that he played 

1092
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,700
because his offensive line 
couldn't block. 

1093
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,600
He had very few receivers to 
throw the ball. 2 and then by 

1094
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,600
the time the season is over, 
he's riding the bench, he's 

1095
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,400
forced to come back in at the 
tail end after having basically 

1096
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,100
been put away in storage to rot 
and, you know, didn't do. 

1097
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,300
I mean he could have done much 
worse, given the fact that he 

1098
00:58:21,308 --> 00:58:24,100
hadn't thrown a pass and another
for he was put in as a tackling 

1099
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:27,900
dummy against Ohio State, right?
You know, so it's like if I'm a,

1100
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
if I'm a transfer quarterback, 
I'm looking at this, I use 

1101
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,100
situation and I'm like, okay 
this team doesn't have a 

1102
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,800
offensive line. 
That's functional. 

1103
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:40,000
In the passing game, doesn't 
have an offensive plan your 

1104
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,400
because if you're leaving, even 
if you're a primarily running 

1105
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,600
quarterback and you decide to 
come in, you're going to play 

1106
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,000
for a coach who started the 
season running, an Air Raid 

1107
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,400
Offense and running behind an 
offensive line. 

1108
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,900
That really only proved that it 
could block effectively in the 

1109
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:57,100
run for like three quarters of 
the whole season. 

1110
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:01,400
That I would not be excited to 
come to Indiana under those 

1111
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,900
circumstances. 
And so it does make you wonder 

1112
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,800
like in the next thing is true 
to like you. 

1113
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,800
A mobile quarterback, who 
transfer it away. 

1114
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,200
And the season afterwards is 
having one of his best seasons 

1115
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,000
ever behind a somewhat 
functional line. 

1116
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,300
Yeah, well I mean it's and I 
mean you can certainly look, you

1117
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,400
can look through some other 
players backgrounds as well. 

1118
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,500
I mean, you know, it's it's I 
don't know, it's the whole thing

1119
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:31,900
is fat, I mean, look at Peyton 
Ramsey, you know, transfers away

1120
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:35,200
and then at2020 season, you 
know, they end up, what did they

1121
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,600
go? 
They like seven and two that 

1122
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,200
year and they get to beat Auburn
in a New Year's Day Bowl, you 

1123
00:59:42,207 --> 00:59:44,300
know, it wasn't like, Peyton 
Ramsey, blew the doors off the 

1124
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:45,700
joint in terms of his numbers 
that year. 

1125
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,700
But that guy, you know, had a 
more successful at as successful

1126
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:53,300
of the Season that year as I you
had. 

1127
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:58,200
And it's, you know, so that look
I just overall it just it's very

1128
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,400
grim. 
And, you know, certainly there's

1129
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,100
just a lot of frustration about 
the way the season went. 

1130
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:08,800
And and the way the season ended
And I just at this point, I 

1131
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:15,000
don't, it would take a very 
unusual chain of events to occur

1132
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:21,000
for me to be optimistic about. 
I use chances next year, you 

1133
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,600
know, because it the schedules 
the same and they look so much 

1134
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,900
further away, now from being 
able to compete, not even with 

1135
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:33,100
the Ohio, State's in the 
Michigan's, but with the mid 

1136
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:37,000
tier of the Big 10 East as well.
Like They don't look like they 

1137
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,600
belong on the same plane of 
existence, as you know. 

1138
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,300
And I'm not, you know, it's the 
Big 10 East. 

1139
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,400
It's one of those things where 
Rutgers took a step back this 

1140
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,900
year and yet Indiana still lost 
to them. 

1141
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:51,800
Marilyn wasn't that impressive, 
but they lost to them at home, 

1142
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:55,300
Michigan State, they won. 
Congratulations. 

1143
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:58,400
But again, Michigan State 
basically had that game to win 

1144
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,000
at the very end and it and they 
missed the field goal. 

1145
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,800
And so I worry with everything 
that's played out the way that 

1146
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,500
it Has for Indiana this year. 
It almost feels like this might 

1147
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,800
be the best that it gets for a 
while because they're going to 

1148
01:01:12,808 --> 01:01:15,400
lose a bunch of players to 
graduation. 

1149
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,000
They're probably going to lose 
some players to the portal, you 

1150
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,800
know, if they lose either Jalen,
Lucas or Des on mcculloh, then 

1151
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,100
then you're really like, okay, 
what do you have? 

1152
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:27,800
And I hope I, you know, I really
hope that I you figures out a 

1153
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,300
way to get both those players to
stay. 

1154
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:32,200
I hope they both decide to stay,
but if they don't stay. 

1155
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,000
And I think that's a legitimate 
thing to be concerned about What

1156
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,000
are you left with? 
I mean, there's no recruiting 

1157
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,900
class coming in. 
That's going to fill those gaps.

1158
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:43,400
It's the it's the worst rated 
recruiting class in the Big Ten 

1159
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,200
that 73rd in the country right 
now. 

1160
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:49,400
And you haven't really shown an 
ability to go out and get impact

1161
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,500
players in the transfer portal. 
So, you know, as as was replied 

1162
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,500
to us on Twitter, this is a 
classic, you know, other than 

1163
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:02,200
that, how was the play mrs. 
Lincoln situation, where it just

1164
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:06,100
the whole thing. 
Feels like it's on fire, and And

1165
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,000
I don't, I don't know what the 
route is to fix it at this 

1166
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,600
point, could we be proven wrong 
and could there be some kind of 

1167
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,500
wholesale culture change in the 
offseason that gets things back 

1168
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:18,900
on track I guess? 
But that's what we were 

1169
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,200
promised. 
This last offseason was that 

1170
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,500
there was going to be this 
wholesale culture, change, that,

1171
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:25,100
that was good, turn things 
around. 

1172
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,000
And I got to tell you, Scott, 
this is like, use your Illusion 

1173
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,300
part 1 and part 2, you know, 
it's like I'm either technically

1174
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:38,600
different albums, but They know 
the 2021 and 2022, season seemed

1175
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,500
pretty interchangeable. 
It's like the it's like the 

1176
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:44,400
longest football double album 
that we've had the last galling 

1177
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,600
thing here. 
That happened yesterday is, you 

1178
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,200
know, and 2020 still stands. 
But you know, for the longest 

1179
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,100
time it's kind of been like this
bra Malin, you know, who's the 

1180
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:57,000
better Coach. 
And for the longest time, it did

1181
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,600
feel like Alan Alan had the 
better record. 

1182
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,500
I think Alan had, you know, 
things going in the right 

1183
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:04,800
direction. 
The thing that Braun had and now

1184
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,100
has even more Luckily, he gets 
those high-level spikes and I 

1185
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:12,100
know we had 20/20, we beat Penn 
State, we beat Michigan, but you

1186
01:03:12,107 --> 01:03:14,700
know, the trouble with 20/20. 
It's like it's missing that that

1187
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,200
bowl win, which we didn't get, 
but it's like bronze. 

1188
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,200
Got a win over Ohio State. 
You know, they have some high 

1189
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,000
level winds and now they have a 
trip to the Big Ten title game, 

1190
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,600
which, you know, I know they're 
playing in the Big Ten West, I 

1191
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,300
know, it's a softer Division. 
I know it's based on a lot of 

1192
01:03:29,308 --> 01:03:32,800
other factors, but like they 
still got their well and I mean,

1193
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:35,600
yes, this will be the fourth 
bowl game in. 

1194
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,300
Six years for Jeff brohm at 
Purdue. 

1195
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:43,000
This will be the second year in 
a row that they've won at least 

1196
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,600
eight games they won nine last 
year, you know, they were ranked

1197
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:47,700
at one point. 
They're going to. 

1198
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:50,500
They're at a twins right now. 
If they get a favorable Bowl 

1199
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,900
draw, they'll end up probably 
with, you know, potentially with

1200
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:54,700
nine wins. 
And even if they don't a twins, 

1201
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:55,800
is still quite an 
accomplishment. 

1202
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,900
I think the thing to keep in 
mind is that Braun is now for, 

1203
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:04,600
and one against Indiana and the 
one loss was in double overtime,

1204
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,700
you know, in In a game that 
frankly could have gone either 

1205
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:12,400
way. 
And all of this happens on the 

1206
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:18,000
heels of Purdue winning nine 
games in four years combined, 

1207
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,000
under Darrell hazell, like the 
program that Jeff brohm took 

1208
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:27,300
over in late 2016 was in the 
absoluteness, dumpster. 

1209
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:33,400
I mean, it was, they 10 11 and 
one big 10 games in the four 

1210
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,100
years? 
Like this was a this was a Jerry

1211
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:37,900
dinardo. 
Bill Lynch level, a lack of 

1212
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:41,500
accomplishment. 
And so it's not a fair 

1213
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:44,700
comparison because, you know, if
you look at what Tom Allen took 

1214
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:49,500
over Allen took over a program 
that in 1546 and six games had 

1215
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:53,700
been to two consecutive bowls 
and, you know, for, you know, 

1216
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:56,800
first of all hat tip to Purdue 
and to Jeff brohm. 

1217
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,200
They did not have a perfect 
season. 

1218
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:02,300
They are in the Big Ten title 
game, and to be in the Big Ten 

1219
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:05,400
title game, six years after the 
stretch that I just highlighted 

1220
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,500
were You win nine games in four 
years. 

1221
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,700
That's a tremendous coaching job
at a place that whatever you 

1222
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:13,000
want to think. 
Doesn't really have any natural 

1223
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:18,800
advantages over Indiana in Ni l 
in facilities in recruiting 

1224
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,500
area. 
It's basically the same thing. 

1225
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
So yeah, I mean if you're going 
to go do an apples and apples 

1226
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,200
comparison between Brahmin Alan,
I mean, Brom wins in like three 

1227
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,200
rounds in a knockout. 
I mean to be 4 and 1/2 B 4 and 1

1228
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,400
in a six-year period to go to 
for bowl games, to go to a big 

1229
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,500
10. 
Little game. 

1230
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,800
Yes, Purdue has the benefit of 
not playing in the Big Ten East,

1231
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:45,500
but you could still win eight or
nine games as Indiana still be 

1232
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:47,200
Ohio State. 
Yeah, they still beat Ohio 

1233
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,300
State, you know, I mean there, I
don't know. 

1234
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:54,600
The whole thing to me is just, I
don't know how you could look at

1235
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,900
it and not think, wow, Purdue 
made the better hire there. 

1236
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:02,200
They had a better vision and 
where the program was at to 

1237
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,700
where it's at. 
Now that's ultimately what we 

1238
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:07,400
thought we were getting. 
Ting with this Tom Allen higher.

1239
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,100
And instead it almost feels like
you know you've gone fully 

1240
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:14,300
backwards. 
It's like you you hit an apex in

1241
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:19,100
2019 2020, and your backsliding.
Now to where the program was 

1242
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:22,900
when Wilson took over which was 
probably at the lowest ebb or 

1243
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:26,800
the second lowest ebb that it 
had been at maybe in its history

1244
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,600
you know? 
And that that is really, it 

1245
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,400
shows two things. 
A I think it shows what you've 

1246
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,700
said, many times we've talked 
about it a bunch Hiring the 

1247
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:41,400
right coach is more important 
than all of the other things and

1248
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,700
you can hire the right coach at 
a place with bad facilities with

1249
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:51,000
bad and IL with with not a lot 
of talent that coach will if 

1250
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,800
they know what they're doing 
they will be able to turn it 

1251
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:58,300
around get results and establish
some level of you know a 

1252
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:02,900
baseline that they can go off of
you know you look at Braum yes 

1253
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:06,700
Braun had a bad to 2019. 
The covid year was really A bad.

1254
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:09,000
The Covey do was bad for a lot 
of programs including Michigan, 

1255
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,400
who's in the title game this 
year and is going to be in the 

1256
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,400
college football playoff. 
But they bounce back from that 

1257
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:18,400
and there was a nice Foundation 
that they were able to utilize. 

1258
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:21,700
I don't see any foundation for 
this IU team to use to bounce 

1259
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:24,300
back with. 
Like it really feels like they 

1260
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:27,100
are almost at Ground Zero and 
they're gonna have to rip out 

1261
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:30,800
the studs and and the drywall 
and like rebuild the house from 

1262
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,800
scratch. 
If you disagree with that out 

1263
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,200
there, if you're listening, 
okay, fine, what are they? 

1264
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,300
Build off of going into next 
year, they're going to build off

1265
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:43,400
of this defense, which 
statistically and grade-wise was

1266
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,100
one of the worst in the Big Ten.
Are they going to, you know, not

1267
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:49,100
just a big tenant. 
Like all of power 5 are they 

1268
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:50,400
going to build off of an 
offense? 

1269
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,300
That doesn't have a clear 
offensive game plan or starting 

1270
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:57,900
quarterback like that. 
That is a real concern and it's 

1271
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,400
even more galling. 
When you look at your 

1272
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,900
cross-state rivals or Illinois 
who looks like they're on the 

1273
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:05,400
same trajectory in just a couple
of years. 

1274
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,000
It's like it should. 
It be this hard. 

1275
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,600
It doesn't have to be this hard,
and it's not just because it's 

1276
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,000
Indiana. 
Anyway. 

1277
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,600
So even get Ryan Day in two 
years. 

1278
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:16,000
Really? 
Yeah. 

1279
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,100
Well anyway, I guess that'll 
wrap it up on that. 

1280
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:22,300
Happy note will another season 
of the season in the books 

1281
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:24,600
another season down. 
So you do this again next year 

1282
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:30,800
and we'll see how you know. 
It's I think I do I will say we 

1283
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,000
first of all, we really 
appreciate all the folks out 

1284
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,000
there listening in throughout 
the course of the year and past 

1285
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,399
years and we'll see what 
happens. 

1286
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:44,700
Moving forward, as Obviously, 
there's going to be a lot that 

1287
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:47,600
could happen in this offseason 
for IU football in terms of just

1288
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,899
trying to restructure things or 
they could try to keep things 

1289
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:52,899
the same. 
We will be bringing you 

1290
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:56,000
basketball coverage throughout 
the course of this year and we 

1291
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,700
hope that you continue to tune 
in for that. 

1292
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:01,399
And we'll take a nice long break
from football and kind of 

1293
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,700
re-evaluate where the teams that
and yeah, you know, maybe 

1294
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:07,000
they'll be something optimistic 
and positive that we can talk 

1295
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,899
about in January or February 
when recruiting classes are 

1296
01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:14,600
sealed or after You know Spring 
football or something like that 

1297
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,700
yield some optimism but hard to 
be terribly optimistic about the

1298
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:22,200
direction of things right now 
and it sucks to say because it 

1299
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,700
was, it was nice. 
It really felt like IU football 

1300
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:31,200
as a program and established 
itself somewhat so that it 

1301
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,200
wasn't going to just have 
everything fall apart and no 

1302
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:38,000
longer really feels that way. 
And so Scott, it's been fun 

1303
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,000
talking with you about it. 
It's been fun talking with all 

1304
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,200
you folks out there any final 
thoughts for we wrap up. 

1305
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,399
No, no. 
I think I think we've hit 

1306
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,000
everything we can. 
But no, I appreciate, as we wrap

1307
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
up the season, it's always. 
It's really nice that we have 

1308
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,200
people who listen and care. 
It feels like we are, you know, 

1309
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,700
in we're all in this together, 
we're suffering together, but 

1310
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,300
it's nice to have people who 
listen and care, and people send

1311
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:04,900
in questions and it's, it's 
really nice and yeah, man, it's 

1312
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:06,300
nice. 
That my Sunday's back to though 

1313
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:08,500
we definitely need a break from 
this that you get to this point 

1314
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:10,600
of the end of the year 
unfortunately has been way too 

1315
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,700
many years like this where we're
just You know, we're not going 

1316
01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:15,700
to have that and we're going to 
lose that practice time. 

1317
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:17,200
You know, we have a bowl game. 
It's all about. 

1318
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,600
Do we get extra month to 
practice time? 

1319
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,700
While we're not going to get 
that. 

1320
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:23,100
Yeah, it does feel like everyone
needs a break from football and 

1321
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:24,900
yeah. 
We'll see you in September with 

1322
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,700
no depth chart. 
None whatsoever? 

1323
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,000
Yeah should be fascinating 
Anyway by thanks to our friends 

1324
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,200
at the back home network be sure
to tune into assembly. 

1325
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,100
Call be sure to tune into doing 
the work. 

1326
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,500
Be sure to tune into our women's
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1327
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:39,800
to Foster. 
Our thanks don't feel apparel, 

1328
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,900
our presenting sponsor, my 
thanks to Scott as always Our 

1329
01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:45,400
thanks to all the folks who 
joined us on Crimson cast this 

1330
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,500
season. 
I'm Galen, klaviyo, will catch 

1331
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:49,600
you folks on the flip side? 
Bring back the Bison. 

1332
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:43,700
So long, everybody. 
Our thanks to all the folks who 

1333
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:45,800
joined us on Crimson cast this 
season. 

1334
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,700
I'm Galen, klaviyo, will catch 
you folks on the flip side? 

1335
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,200
Bring back the Bison. 
So long, everybody.