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Welcome back to Crimson kescott 
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to slowly come out of my summer,
hibernation getting ready for 

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football basketball, good times.
And a gal had a couple of PODS 

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I know him and I are going to 

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start doing our football stuff. 
God help us but looking for a 

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good season but let's be 
possibly optimistic will save 

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all the real discussion for 
later but excited to have Thomas

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on today. 
From BT Powerhouse, real? 

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Talk about, USC UCLA, not going 
to break any news, but just some

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thoughts on that, from Big Ten 
perspective and look at it from 

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a little more of a basketball 
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I mean, it's we're running out 
of things to talk about them. 

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I will say this that it's it's 
tough timing for me because 

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they've come out with UCLA a 
little bit ago and they just 

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have some great UCLA stuff, a 
great Pauley Pavilion, sure. 

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And looking at it right now, 
UCLA hoodie, I mean, the best 

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hoodies in the business. 
No question. 

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They have a really cool National

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Trouble is there now a big 10 

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Feel there's not a big 10 team, 
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But like I'm not gonna buy Iowa 
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And now, it's like, UCLA stuff 
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So, what I would say is, you 
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can least wear it for, like, 
maybe two or three years. 

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I did just get it. 
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with Thomas from BT Powerhouse. 

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All right. 
Well Thomas, thank you for 

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joining us. 
Thomas again. 

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Thomas, man. 

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How you doing? 
It's been a while. 

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I've been good. 
Yeah, thanks for having me. 

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I appreciate it. 
I know before we got on, we're 

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talking a little bit about 
craziest offseason in college 

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basketball. 
I can remember. 

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Yeah, definitely for the Big 
Ten, so we could start there. 

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I mean, definitely thought you'd
be a good one to talk to. 

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We definitely hit it hard here 
in Crimson cast. 

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The the addition of USC, UCLA, I
will say, if people haven't gone

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to it, you guys did a really 
good Round Table. 

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Think of like and, you know, No 
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You have a lot of questions and 
your whole team kind of answers 

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them and so a lot of this might 
be, you know redoing some of 

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that. 
But I think some of your 

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thoughts might have changed also
but I mean one of the questions 

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there which I guess you know 
this is almost like you know you

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ask somebody to wedding will 
tell us how you guys met you 

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know. 
This is kind of that question 

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here is like tell me about, you 
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you heard of the UCLA USC, 
addition to the Big Ten and kind

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of what was your initial thought
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things changed over the last 
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Now, we have some time behind 
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Well, I mean, I think I like 
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heard it it was kind of like, is
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I mean, this is it's just, it 
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I mean, given the last few years
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thought that it was so out of 
left field, but it was really 

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surprising. 
But on top of that, I mean, just

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kind of disappointed. 
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really excited about some of the
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see because of this. 
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feels like the final nail in the
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Really the sign of a new era in 
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And I suppose people could say, 
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was really in the 90s, you know 
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Ten Or oh no, that was with 
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breakup of some of those other 
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But this one to me was different
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you see a power. 
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programs like This moving to a 
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geographical sense. 
It makes no sense, Oracle sense.

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I mean, in some ways you could 
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we've had the Rose Bowl for over
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Pac, PAC 10, PAC 12 versus Big 
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So, I mean, yeah, a lot of those
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Yeah, it's the fact that it was 
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interesting to me because when 
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the conferences, It definitely 
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obviously, with the Rose Bowl in
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themselves, the pac-10 Pac-12 
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seemed like, the adults in the 
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So, to speak where the SEC were,
just like the football brand and

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they were kind of off doing 
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other things. 
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where it felt like the pac-10 
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know, again, just the adults in 
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trying to keep order and they 
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Kevin Warren too. 
Shiv the Pac-12 like that. 

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It is that was surprising to me.
But as we've talked about on 

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lease on our pod like I thought 
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happen. 
I like you I do kind of lament 

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the end of it. 
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Ryan rasila has podcast had a 
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like I understand it all but 
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it and I definitely feel that 
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definitely felt like after the 
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I was nervous that the Big Ten 
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they definitely did. 
Yeah, I think that's a good 

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point. 
In the sense of I think anybody 

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who's followed College athletics
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years or so. 
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where we were heading. 
You understand the logic? 

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I mean, when you throw out those
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numbers, it makes sense. 
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the president, it's hard to say 
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Hey, you guys want an extra 
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Two hundred million dollars. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Sure. 
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though. 
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Is a lot of tradition is going 
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So, with the Pac-12, obviously 
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change and I agree. 
I think the Big Ten had to 

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respond to the Oklahoma Texas 
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And this this does that. 
That's from the way that you've 

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read about it. 
I'm I'm not sure we'll ever get 

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an answer. 
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side or the other. 
It seems like from everything 

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I've read that UCLA and USC, 
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Kevin Warren in the Big Ten with
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Do you, how do you think as best
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the room. 
You know, we're not the most in 

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the know people, but I'm, I'm 
curious how you think that went 

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down because it in the end you 
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they're the aggressor taking 
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were to sitting there kind of 
not do it much and then This was

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all driven by USC UCLA. 
It does, I guess the end result 

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doesn't really change but it 
does kind of change the 

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narrative and and still gives me
that concern is like this the 

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Big Ten really know what they 
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this is the end. 
We're definitely talk about 

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where we think this might go, 
but I'm curious if you've been 

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able to parse out you know who, 
who was it? 

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Who was kind of courting who? 
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You bring that up because you 
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bit earlier about you know, 
Kevin Warren, you know, started 

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given that the knifing the 
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read. 
This seems like USC and UCLA 

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initiated this and if you read 
into it further, you look into 

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what they were doing in 
hindsight now. 

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Knowing what happened where you 
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Yeah, USC. 
And UCLA we're holding up these 

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meteorites negotiations for 
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Otherwise, the pack child would 
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the ACC, which I think goes to 
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that. 
Where it's almost impossible for

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those schools to leave and join 
another Conference without 

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jumping through some really 
substantial legal whole loops 

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and Hoops to get to get out of 
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And you look back now and it's 
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had something like this in mind 
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They had deliberately what at 
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It looks like deliberately or 
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The efforts for the Pac-12 media
in a negotiation 's to set up 

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this move. 
They went to Kevin warrant. 

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They thought they fit better in 
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kind of agree with that point 
that I think they're a better 

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fit for the Big Ten. 
And yeah, that's where we are 

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now. 
As I think from the Big Ten, you

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know, the optimistic side. 
I don't want to be too negative 

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about about these these moves, 
you know, I, it's going to be 

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disappointing to see what, it's,
what it's going to do to some of

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the the conference affiliations.
And just the Big Ten, we've 

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known for four years and years 
and, and the Pac-12 To, I know 

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we cover the Big Ten on our 
site, but the Pac-12 has a lot 

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of history of your college 
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There's a lot of great. 
I mean, missing out on USC, 

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playing Oregon or some of these 
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is a disappointment in my eyes. 
And but optimistically, there 

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are going to be some great games
both in football and basketball.

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The fact that the Big Ten is 
going to have late night games 

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Is certainly an interesting 
thing and BTN. 

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I have to imagine. 
It's going to have a lot more 

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content. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
They are, you know, you talked 

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about that were and I agree with
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of people who are listening that
I think, you know, as you were 

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mentioning that, you know, USC 
USC, or UCLA and USC. 

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It sounds like they approach the
Big Ten and while I do agree, 

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there are some parts where maybe
it's going to be interesting. 

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And, you know, I'm not sure how 
it's going to work out. 

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I do want people to think of 
like the counterfactual world 

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where, you know, this played out
great for the Big Ten, but 

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there's a world where, let's 
just say the pack, you know, the

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u.s. 
USC UCLA, they do go to the SEC 

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and they say, hey will you guys 
take us and imagine if that had 

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happened or imagine if they went
to the Big 12 and suddenly it's 

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like the chessboard changes and 
the Big Ten is no longer in the 

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seat of power. 
And I just I would always 

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caution people to think of that 
because this move was a good 

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power movement. 
Worked out well. 

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But again, you know I keep on 
saying this like we are at war 

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with the SEC whether we like it 
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And if you know let's just say 
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You know the to La schools if 
they would have gone to the SEC 

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I think a lot of fans would be 
looking at this very 

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differently, especially Big Ten 
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the Crimson cast side. 
Like especially Indiana fans 

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because we are a school that we 
need to be in a conference that 

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is growing and thriving. 
Because if not, we're going to 

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be like Kansas or they're kind 
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they're not a football school 
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I'll be a better basketball 
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looks like they're kind of Drew 
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They, they're kind of screwed in
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that. 
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the past that you long for 
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speaking. 
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it's kind of a no-brainer. 
It's Of obvious. 

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You got to add them in today's 
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said, they're going to go to the
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have explored another conference
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great, they're great schools. 
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academically. 
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some ways you could argue, 
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program of all time. 
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don't know if it's true but 
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that perspective, the 
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little uncomfortable but yeah, I
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I completely agree with it. 
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highlighted on your Right. 
After media day talking about, 

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you know, what, Kevin Warren, 
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football media day, the kind of 
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under the rug, but just so much 
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It didn't get. 
A lot of attention. 

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You guys called it out on one of
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USC and UCLA are going to 
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shares. 
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did not. 
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way in. 
What are your thoughts? 

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I think it shows that That you 

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know, I'm not sure what it fully
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obviously, you know, viewed. 
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to get done and maybe didn't 
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negotiating Powers when they 
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I'm just I'm curious. 
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an issue with those other 
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Or is it kind of mean for 
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you just like, you won the 
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but if you're Marilyn in 
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you're like, hey, this is, you 
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had there. 
In the same kind of cachet, to 

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the Big Ten, but I'm just 
curious your thoughts on that. 

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Yeah, that was an interesting 
development. 

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It was one of those things where
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sports, you know it really at 
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pick up on it, you didn't 
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I mean if you're into Braska fan
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they're at the full share yet. 
Some of those schools. 

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I think they're still working to
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I know they had to, I think they
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point to get through this point 
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full share. 
Yeah I would be pretty insulted 

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if I was a fan or an 
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three schools at the same time. 
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most likely to get it done. 
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said, if you don't do it, we'll 
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do it. 
So, this is your only option and

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the other part of it is because 
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media, Rights deal. 
They're going to make everybody 

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a lot of money. 
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Rutgers and Maryland can 
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about it. 
What they're all. 

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All three of those schools are 
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Because USC, and UCLA are in 
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be way way larger at the end of 
the day. 

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I mean, the Big Ten in a lot of 
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I mean, it's just adding Ela as 
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Not only financially, and 
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have an argument in recruiting 
that La is insane. 

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Something I never thought I'd 
see. 

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Um, but I mean, it's big, ten 
country now, I suppose. 

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Nebraska is you know everyone, 
everyone continues to talk about

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how Rutgers got lucky in this 
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with Nebraska is if you and I 
should have added it up 

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beforehand. 
But you know you look at it from

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the time. 
They joined the Big Ten in 2011.

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You know, they probably joined 
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were expecting. 
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in another world where they just
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And they don't join the Big Ten 
in 2011. 

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You get to a point today. 
I'm not sure there are property 

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that a lot of people are 
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Like if they were still in the 
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of vehicle we have to get 
Nebraska, like they really, 

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really sold High. 
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when they joined the Big Ten. 
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four, five, six, straight bowls,
which again is an Indiana fan. 

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Like, I can't, I can't be 
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That's a run. 
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they haven't made a bowl since 
1016. 

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They haven't been over 500 since
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run considering, you know, I go 
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years there and like 2007 and 
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then from 2003, they made a bowl
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So they definitely kind of came 
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because they may not have been a
property teams. 

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Go conferences have would have 
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it again right now. 
Yeah, you do wonder about some 

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of these additions and moves 
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and somebody brought this up a 
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on a podcast or maybe an article
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at first I'm like huh and the 
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I'm like you know in today's 
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we can rule that out which is 
there like you know and in a 

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couple years how is the Big Ten 
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Northwestern? 
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I don't know, because our whole 
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historically has been, while 
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have these Regional ties, it's 
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You know, we all play together. 

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We're all kind of a group but 
looking forward. 

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I mean, it seems like the only 
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it. 
And if you're not making 

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everybody more money, that 
they're contributing to you, oh,

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I don't know. 
And that's a scary thought to 

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me, but it's something that I 
don't know if we can fully take 

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it off the table. 
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to a point where there's nobody 
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I've just throwing it out there 
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think as it as a you know as 
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about it because I made the the 
term that's been used the most 

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this offseason you know football
drives all of this which is true

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but it's been. 
It's been Totally effed out, but

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it's 100% true. 
And you know, if football drives

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everything that's it's not a 
great place for the Indiana 

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Hoosiers. 
I think what I can say are a 

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couple of things is that one I 
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There's not a lot of precedent. 
There's a lot of precedent of 

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teams, moving conferences and 
going to where things are better

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and conferences trying to get 
more. 

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There's not a lot of precedent 
of conferences. 

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Kicking out foundational 
institutional members so that 

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you have kind of history on your
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Which but, you know, things are 
changing that said. 

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I also think that if your Ohio 
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Wisconsin, the idea of a super 
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Alabama and Clemson. 
And, you know, USC is kind of 

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interesting. 
But also, you know, those guys 

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looking rally wants to win 
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just an absolute death knell of 
a conference playing Alabama, 

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Ohio State, you know, Oregon 
every single week that I should 

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have orgasm at the best. 
Not in, but, you know, if 

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they're if he's just playing the
absolute creme de La Creme every

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single week, he's gonna have a 
lot of 500 seasons and coaches, 

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don't want that. 
And so, you need, you need some 

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fodder. 
And so, I do think some of these

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conferences Judit. 
Do need to have some teams that 

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are kind of middle to lower of 
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So, I think there is concern 
about that. 

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If it being all completely blown
up that said, I do think there's

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enough institutional reasons. 
They're why coaches and 

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Programs. 
Just don't want to be, you know,

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I don't think Ohio State wants 
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they could be theoretically 
looking at five to six losses a 

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year. 
Even if they are having a really

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good year. 
Yeah, I mean, it's it's I can 

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see that. 
I can see that argument. 

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I mean, I've been anybody who 
follows me on Twitter knows, I'm

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a frequent advocate in the 
college football World of play. 

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Nobody because I don't think 
there's there's any benefit that

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I see in terms of the play. 
For both selection excetera of. 

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So I'm very much of the, you 
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possible, but yeah. 
You almost wonder though it, 

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maybe it's not kicking people 
out. 

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Maybe it's, you know, five 
schools from the Big Ten five 

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schools from the SEC. 
Just say, oh yeah, we're going 

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to, we're going to just all 
leave together and form. 

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Big, big 10 2.0, a new 
conference, but it's just like 

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you said the superleague. 
I don't know where it's heading,

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but it's Certainly driven by 
money. 

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That's the only thing. 
These administrators seem 

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interested in at all and you'll 
have to forgive me for a second 

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because I'm going to rant 
slightly, but I'll go for it. 

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I don't get it. 
I think it's a shame and one of 

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the one of the reasons you know 
everybody laughed 10. 

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What was it 10 years ago? 
Maybe it was less than that. 

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When I think Nick Saban brought 
up the idea of a college 

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football. 
Commissioner you know as are 

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like the NFL has or the like and
I think it's so desperately 

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needed in college sports and 
really college football because 

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as you astutely point out 
college football drives all of 

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this that that's why these 
conferences are moving. 

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That's why you're no offense to 
Maryland and Rutgers fans, but 

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that's why Ohio, State Michigan 
Penn State season ticket 

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holders, have to suck it up and 
deal with Maryland or Rutgers 

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every single year at home 
team's. 

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They really you just would 
rather not play to be frank and 

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It's also that these 
administrators of these colleges

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and nameless bureaucrats can 
rack up a ton of money. 

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And my question is for what 
we're always told. 

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You got to have money. 
This is the only way to keep up.

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This is the only way to keep up 
Allah. 

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Well, the University of Texas 
has more money than any of these

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schools, they have so much 
money, they don't even know what

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to do with their money. 
They're building the stupid 

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water fountain, waterfalls and 
locker rooms just Lately idiotic

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things with all this money and 
what has it gotten them? 

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They don't even make a ball 
games. 

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Half the time, they're 
basketball program gets upset by

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12 seeds and stuff all the time.
I don't get it to me. 

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I look at it and I'm like 
Gonzaga who doesn't have close 

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to as much money as any of these
schools. 

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There they are in the final four
consistently. 

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Now there a number one seed 
numerous times and that that's 

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in the college basketball world 
in the college. 

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Football World, Clemson has less
money. 

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Any then every SEC school at 
this point because of these, 

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meteorites deals, same with a 
lot of the Big Ten schools, they

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have less money, they have 
multiple national championships,

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they're they're competing at the
highest level. 

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They're going to the, you know, 
the title game. 

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I don't know. 
I just I sit back and I'm like 

444
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,500
they're selling out their, souls
their selling out their program.

445
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,700
What has made college football, 
great what's made the Big Ten 

446
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,400
great. 
So that Kevin Warren can have a 

447
00:24:12,408 --> 00:24:14,300
bigger bonus at the end of the 
year. 

448
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:19,700
That Jim Delaney has his yacht. 
I just they're telling everybody

449
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:20,900
the money we got to have the 
money. 

450
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:24,400
We got to have the money, we 
don't have the money, I just I'm

451
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,300
struggling why? 
Because I just I don't see the 

452
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,900
results and maybe it will change
with these new additions. 

453
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:34,900
And, you know, this is enough 
money but until you can pay the 

454
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:37,600
players which you sort of can 
now. 

455
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,800
But not through the athletic 
Department's, I don't get what 

456
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,200
this money does, I just, I don't
know. 

457
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000
I'll end my I ran out there, I'm
sorry. 

458
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,900
But I just To me, it's one of 
these things were being sold of 

459
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:54,000
fallacy that we have to have 
this money to survive. 

460
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,700
When they already have more than
enough money to survive, they 

461
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,600
just start inventing new 
positions at these athletic 

462
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,600
departments. 
That are just pointless. 

463
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,600
I'm, I don't know, that's I'll 
stop. 

464
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,900
But that's the huh. 
I feel very strongly about that.

465
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:13,800
Yeah, no. 
It's as actually counting 

466
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,800
something up while you were 
doing that I was listening 

467
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,600
because no I I agree with you 
and I it goes to another point 

468
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,300
where, you know, as we were 
discussing this, we start 

469
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,000
looking at the television 
numbers. 

470
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:29,000
You know, the SEC teams are 
going to bring in, you know, 

471
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,600
anywhere between 70 to, you 
know, ninety million dollars a 

472
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,100
year with the next TV rights 
deal. 

473
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,800
Big, Ten teams are going to be 
making a hundred million a year.

474
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,300
But you know, Big Ten teams have
been making 60 to 80 million a 

475
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:45,600
year off the current deal and we
know the ACC schools as part of 

476
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,500
that you know, grantor rights 
with ESPN. 

477
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,100
Are making like 25 30 million a 
year. 

478
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:55,300
So you know a team like Maryland
has been making an extra 20 to 

479
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,700
25 million a year. 
More than Clemson get doesn't 

480
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:00,500
seem to be affecting cleansin 
much. 

481
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,000
And so, there is this weird 
thing where it's like, well 

482
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,700
yeah, you know, if your UCLA and
USC, you got to leave the Pac-12

483
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,000
cause you gotta start making 
money. 

484
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,600
And on one hand, it's like, all 
right? 

485
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,400
That makes sense. 
And you kind of view this world 

486
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,600
like all right, in ten years, 
there's no way anybody compete 

487
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,000
with the big 10 in the pack and 
the SEC. 

488
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,000
But in a the in a way the SEC in
the Big Ten have been making 

489
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,300
more than everybody else for 10,
you know, five or ten years that

490
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:26,100
the magnitude is going to 
change. 

491
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,700
But at what I was counting up is
when you look at the, you know, 

492
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:33,600
the top 25 going into this year 
and it's just one on cbs's 

493
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,400
polite, there's a ton of 
different polls and by the way, 

494
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,300
I'm also like I'm a big sports 
fan. 

495
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,900
Then college sports fan, I might
be screwing up conferences at 

496
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,800
this point and what people are 
in, but when you look at the top

497
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,500
10 going in the next year, it's 
Georgia, Alabama. 

498
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,300
A Michigan, Cincinnati, Baylor, 
Ohio, State, Oklahoma State, 

499
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:53,400
Notre, Dame, Michigan State, 
Oklahoma. 

500
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,000
I have five schools from the Big
10 SEC, and five schools, that 

501
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,900
are, you know, Cincinnati, 
Baylor, Oklahoma, State, Notre, 

502
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,400
Dame, and Oklahoma are all not 
in what we call the power to, if

503
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,000
you open it up to the top 20, it
gets even more schools, you have

504
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,800
a boldness, you know? 
But you know, Utah, Pittsburgh 

505
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Clemson, Wake Forest, Louisiana 
Houston, then you get to 

506
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,100
Kentucky, but BYU and NC State, 
Tate. 

507
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:22,100
So if the top 20, it looks like 
13 of those schools are not in 

508
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:27,500
the power to so, to your point, 
exactly it I'm not, I'm curious 

509
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:31,800
to see when the money is going 
to be an advantage and when 

510
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,300
you're going to see, you know, 
I'm not saying, you know, 

511
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,100
obviously Georgia won the 
national championships. 

512
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:39,000
You like, are you national 
championships BCS fits like yes.

513
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,900
But you know what? 
Half the top 10 is still outside

514
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,500
those power to. 
It does make me wonder how much 

515
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,400
of that money is really going to
affect the product on the field 

516
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,600
and Your point where? 
Where the hell is the money 

517
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,100
going? 
Yeah. 

518
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:55,100
And and that, that is to me, 
that's a perfect example and 

519
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,800
I'll even raise you college 
basketball, which is, yeah, it 

520
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,700
even. 
Let's say you're a believer that

521
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,400
the big time is the best 
conference in college 

522
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,900
basketball, which I think is a 
totally reasonable argument to 

523
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,500
make. 
What's number two, it isn't the 

524
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:12,900
SEC, it isn't the ACC, it's the 
big 12 who is not one of these 

525
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,100
power to and I suppose you can 
make an argument, you know, 

526
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,000
Texas leaving, you know, Some of
the additions and musical 

527
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,100
chairs, shall we say, might 
weaken the Big 12 but that is an

528
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,900
excellent basketball conference.
They won the National 

529
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,600
Championship this year, they're 
consistently putting out a ton 

530
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,100
of fantastic top 10 level teams 
and to me again. 

531
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,500
Okay, well, what is this money 
doing for as Nebraska in a 

532
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,700
better place right now than they
were 10 years ago? 

533
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:44,900
I think you just made the 
argument earlier that they are 

534
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,400
not at all. 
I don't think. 

535
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,900
Ireland is, I don't think, I 
mean, maybe Rutgers is, they 

536
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:56,000
were kind of in the same 
position I guess, but basketball

537
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,800
wise. 
They're in a better position but

538
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,500
football I think they're in a 
probably a weaker position than 

539
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,400
they were when they join the 
conference. 

540
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,900
There's a there's actually kind 
of if you look back at the 

541
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:08,300
history of teams that switch 
conferences a lot, it's a lot of

542
00:29:08,308 --> 00:29:10,800
mixed success. 
A lot of them struggle out of 

543
00:29:10,808 --> 00:29:17,400
the gate and to me it's because 
ultimately the money is it. 

544
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,800
How you spend it at the end of 
the day? 

545
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,400
Which I know is, is a simple 
thing to say, but I think so 

546
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000
many of these schools, they're 
so stupid with their money, 

547
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,700
whether they're hiring mediocre 
coaches, giving them tanking, 

548
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,700
your deal, all these insane 
deals. 

549
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,700
And to me, this is just, it's 
just going to elevate that and 

550
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,600
it's not really going to lead to
much winning, and, you know, 

551
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200
maybe I'm wrong. 
Maybe there is a point where 

552
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200
it's just so much more money 
than the other schools that they

553
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800
can't possibly compete. 
But if since, Eddie is making 

554
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,600
the playoff if gonzaga's making 
the final four, it's hard for me

555
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,100
to argue that you have to have 
this money to win because those 

556
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:01,700
schools do not have even close 
to as much money, you know, and 

557
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,000
I'll one last point on this and 
I want to move on but I yeah 

558
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,200
good. 
So you know it's a good 

559
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,600
discussion and you wonder you 
know, like if you look at a 

560
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,400
school like Indiana. 
So let's just say that they get 

561
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,100
an extra you know, 20 to 30 
million dollars and TV Revenue 

562
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:19,700
more. 
Than like, you know, NC State 

563
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,600
who is ranked this year going 
into the season at, you know, 

564
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,400
and I don't follow them closely.
They're ranked 20th going into 

565
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,600
the season. 
You know, how does that money 

566
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600
affect Indiana better than NC 
State? 

567
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:34,600
And it is a fair question 
because like they can hire a 

568
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,900
better Coach but, you know, you 
have to still get a good coach 

569
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:40,600
and so we could pay Tom Allen 
triple but if he ends up not 

570
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,900
being a good coach that's what 
you mean. 

571
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:45,200
It allows you I guess to buy out
coaches and turn into kind of 

572
00:30:45,208 --> 00:30:47,200
the Notre Dame model where 
you're buying people out and 

573
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,800
paying People for 30 years. 
But, you know, initially I 

574
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,500
thought, well, I could we could 
just hire great assistance, but 

575
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,500
if you're an assistant, you 
know, money does talk, but in 

576
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,900
the end, it's like, assistance 
all want to be head coaches. 

577
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,300
And so I think a lot of 
assistance you know if you're 

578
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,400
talking a you know 10 million 
dollar difference, probably not.

579
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,900
But if it's like hey I can be 
the offensive coordinator at 

580
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:09,200
Indiana. 
I can be the head coach at you 

581
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,600
know Houston or Wake Forest. 
Well yeah I'm going to go be a 

582
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,400
head coach. 
You don't like making less money

583
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400
like I'm gonna go be a head 
coach and so they you know and 

584
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,200
Schools can't directly pay their
players and then, you know, 

585
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600
there's this facilities arms 
race but it's like I don't know 

586
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800
how many training facilities you
can have and how many, you know,

587
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,300
indoor swimming pools. 
Like there comes a point where 

588
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:31,400
it's like y'all kind of have 
pretty much the same thing and 

589
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,800
so I'm kind of with you. 
Like I'm not sure how that extra

590
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,000
30 million dollars, you know 
kind of goes from the from the 

591
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,000
gears, to the tires, to the road
to make Indiana a better program

592
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,500
than like let's say a Wake 
Forest. 

593
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,700
Hmm. 
Oh absolutely. 

594
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:47,800
I completely agree. 
Night. 

595
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,700
I think it's, as you pointed 
out, the assistants thing is, is

596
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:57,000
where does it sound? 
You almost wonder if the larger 

597
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,800
pots of money, almost have 
diminishing returns for those 

598
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,800
coaching staffs. 
Because it's like, you know, 

599
00:32:01,808 --> 00:32:04,700
it's one thing if you're making 
20 grand and the other schools 

600
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,700
offering you 60 like that, 
that's going to change your life

601
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:09,500
a lot. 
But when it's like hey we're 

602
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,800
going to give you 800 thousand, 
the other schools going to give 

603
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,600
you one point to your kind of 
already rich either way and You 

604
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,200
probably just want to be a head 
coach as you said. 

605
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:24,400
So it's yeah, you wonder if 
that's going to be the long 

606
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200
term, the, the diminishing 
returns. 

607
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,200
But so far, I haven't seen it. 
I've seen Jim Delaney benefit. 

608
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:33,400
I've seen Kevin Warren benefit. 
I mean, the Big Ten has won 

609
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,700
national championships since 
like, 2002 and football and 

610
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,000
basketball. 
None since 2000. 

611
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,800
So I don't see the results 
there. 

612
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,400
That's for sure. 
Yeah, it's going to be really 

613
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,000
funny. 
I don't want to linger on this, 

614
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,900
but it's going to be very funny 
if, you know, There's been so 

615
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:50,500
much talk about the Big Ten 
basketball, not winning a title.

616
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:53,900
If USC, or UCLA wins it like in 
their first year. 

617
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,500
And it's like then it's like and
then weirdly book ended with 

618
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:59,300
like a Maryland title the kind 
of doesn't count, you know, like

619
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,000
I'm Marilyn when they were the 
ACC and then you get like a fake

620
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,500
UCLA or the funny of UCLA want 
it like the year before they 

621
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:08,300
joined the big Ten's. 
Like we have this, like we were 

622
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:12,400
World anyway, but as we're 
talking about money, you know, 

623
00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:16,200
one of the questions that you 
guys talked about in your your 

624
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Roundtable, Of the questions 
here was you do you think 

625
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
expansion ends here? 
And, you know, you kind of talk 

626
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,300
about how the history of this is
kind of we have these moments of

627
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,000
expansion and there's kind of a 
law and they have moments of 

628
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,100
more expansion and so 
conventional wisdom does seem to

629
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:35,100
think that you're going to have 
a lull here, my counter argument

630
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,700
to. 
That is as you mentioned not 

631
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,500
breaking news here. 
But just as you mentioned you 

632
00:33:40,508 --> 00:33:43,500
know the meet the Big Ten is 
working other meteorites deal 

633
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:49,900
right now and if you know, I 
think it expires in 2025 but you

634
00:33:49,908 --> 00:33:52,900
know that's one of those things 
were the those meteorites deals 

635
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,400
don't just happen, you know, six
months before it ends that those

636
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,700
happen, normally 12 to 18 months
ahead of time. 

637
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,800
So we're honestly we're in the 
window where a new meteorites 

638
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,600
deal is going to be announced in
the next six to 12 months. 

639
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,500
I would assume somewhere in that
timeline. 

640
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,500
And you know, we can talk here 
at a sec about, you know, what 

641
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:14,000
teams you would like to see what
you think might be joining, the 

642
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,699
Big Ten but you know if let's 
just the one that he's talking 

643
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:20,400
about as Notre Dame, let's just 
say, there is a world where 

644
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Notre Dame is going to be part 
of the Big Ten. 

645
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,100
If you're the Big Ten that 
drastically changes, your 

646
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:30,900
negotiating power in a meteorite
steel and if you're you know 

647
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,500
let's just say you're you know 
and and these things about your 

648
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,600
Fox and you just re up the deal 
and then you just add, you know,

649
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000
Notre Dame. 
Six months later after the deal 

650
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,500
is egged, you know, if your Fox 
like well we have a deal and you

651
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,500
know, I don't really want to go 
ahead and renegotiate. 

652
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,800
Now we just spent Years 
negotiating, this, but if you're

653
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,400
the Big Ten, it's like we just 
added Notre Dame. 

654
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,400
So all of that being said, you 
know, I kind of think that 

655
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:57,900
you're going to see if more 
schools are added, it's going to

656
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,300
happen soon because I think it 
makes a lot of sense to have 

657
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,200
them added before the media deal
is done. 

658
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,800
I'm curious what your what your 
thoughts on that are or if you 

659
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,100
think that it's going to be a 
lot easier to add a school after

660
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,200
the meteorites deal that I make 
that, I'm making it out to be. 

661
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,600
I think that's a fair point. 
I think. 

662
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,700
I think that's absolutely 
possible. 

663
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:23,900
I think the biggest question in 
that whole scenario is, what 

664
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,100
does Notre Dame want to do? 
Because at this point, you know,

665
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,500
I've seen a lot of people float 
Oregon. 

666
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,300
I've seen a lot of people 
thought, Washington, you know. 

667
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,300
Hey let's add two more West 
Coast teams so then you almost 

668
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,700
have a little division, shall we
say out west? 

669
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:42,600
They don't have to travel as 
much Etc, but those schools are 

670
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,500
not going to up that are Bridge 
return because, you know, for 

671
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,800
people who don't know the Big 
Ten, the way there, meteorites 

672
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,500
work, except for these schools 
that are getting half shares and

673
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:56,200
stuff, is they negotiate as a 
group, there's a huge pot and 

674
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,400
then they divide it up evenly, 
so it's the average return. 

675
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,000
So, you know, if it's 100 
million, you know, each of them 

676
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,500
are going to get a one 14th 
share of that hundred million. 

677
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:10,400
So effectively, long story 
short, the only way you make 

678
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,100
more money is if you add a 
school that's going to increase 

679
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,700
the average. 
Each of that. 

680
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,700
So they need to be worth more 
than the average of the schools 

681
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,300
that are in there right now. 
Because if you add will say 

682
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,300
Oregon, who's there estimated 
that they would only bring like 

683
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,100
they would decrease the average 
because they're not worth a 

684
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,100
hundred plus million to all 
those schools in there. 

685
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,700
So you would actually get a 
smaller payout, even though the 

686
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,400
pot expanded because Oregon 
would be taking some, some of 

687
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,500
the shares of the other schools,
diminishing them a little bit. 

688
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,100
The thing I don't want it. 
But I will, the thing that I 

689
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,600
will say though is that is all 
true in theory. 

690
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
But yet in practice, Now 
understand that I do know, 

691
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,500
Maryland, Rutgers and Nebraska 
are taking smaller shares, but 

692
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,500
you would look at Rutgers, you 
know, five ten years ago you 

693
00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:59,800
would have said the exact same 
thing. 

694
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,700
But yet the meteorites deal in 
the money that has brought in by

695
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,100
the Big Ten, has gone up since 
you've added those schools. 

696
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,900
So it's like, there is something
there is something we're just 

697
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:12,100
adding schools does seem to 
raise the number regardless of 

698
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,800
what they can bring. 
I I think your All right, but I 

699
00:37:14,808 --> 00:37:17,000
also think that it's faulty 
because in the history, it's 

700
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,700
like Rutgers and Maryland didn't
bring much, but yet the number 

701
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:21,300
increased more than what they 
want. 

702
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,500
I think the argument for those 
two were Rutgers you get into 

703
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:29,400
New Jersey and New York City for
animals, which is pretty pretty 

704
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,000
valuable. 
Yes. 

705
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,700
They went and then DC for 
Maryland. 

706
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,500
Both growing areas. 
High populations, where's 

707
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,600
Oregon? 
I don't know if you get any of 

708
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,800
that, you know, from there, not 
a super huge state, I'm sure. 

709
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:47,400
Are there some media expert that
could that could eat the whole 

710
00:37:47,408 --> 00:37:49,700
thing? 
But the long story short, my 

711
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,300
view is so you need to look at a
school. 

712
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:54,600
Who's going to increase the 
average who's going to bring in 

713
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,600
a new market? 
Who's going to do something like

714
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,800
that? 
And I don't see anybody in the 

715
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,600
Pac-12 as it exists today that 
will that will bring that money 

716
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,600
because I my view is the only 
thing they care about right now 

717
00:38:06,607 --> 00:38:08,400
is money. 
They don't care how good your 

718
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,900
program is, they don't care 
about your school, they care 

719
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:14,000
about money and I don't think 
there's anybody in the The 

720
00:38:14,008 --> 00:38:16,900
Pac-12 that will do that. 
I don't think there's anybody in

721
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:21,800
what's to become of the Big 12 
after Texas and Oklahoma depart.

722
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,400
But there is Notre Dame Notre 
Dame. 

723
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:28,000
Absolutely. 
Would that's a massive brand you

724
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,500
would immediately add really, 
really huge rivalry match ups in

725
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:36,100
conference play which is just, I
mean, the money you can make off

726
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:39,500
of USC Notre Dame, Michigan 
Notre Dame, Michigan State. 

727
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,200
And I mean, just Ohio State 
Notre Dame which I think is the 

728
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,500
first This fall I think game day
is going there, which speak 

729
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,100
about how big that game would 
be. 

730
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:54,300
That that is a very intriguing 
one, I agree. 

731
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:57,500
I think if Notre Dame is 
interested I think the Big Ten 

732
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,500
would add them in a second. 
I think the SEC would add them 

733
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,000
in a second. 
I just I don't know if there's 

734
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,400
anybody Beyond Notre Dame 
assuming the SEC and Big Ten Or 

735
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,600
locked up that they're not going
to swap schools or something. 

736
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
I don't know if there's Anybody 
else, even even the acc's some 

737
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,600
of those schools I'm like, you 
know, I could see maybe a Miami 

738
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,700
or Florida State's, but a lot of
those, I don't know. 

739
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,500
I think they're on the edge of 
whether they would add value or 

740
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,300
not. 
Yeah, I agree with you. 

741
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:35,800
I think that it is that there's 
a funny world where you know 

742
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,100
Notre Dame is so arrogant about 
the way they act toward things 

743
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,100
and they've had this media, 
you've had their own deal with 

744
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,400
NBC for a while and I just want 
it, you know, real quick, you 

745
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,300
know, footnote here. 
Galen, my podcast partner is 

746
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,300
much better talking about these 
kinds of things that I will get 

747
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,100
4 for those Crimson Castle 
listeners. 

748
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:58,300
I will dig into this with him 
later on, but it is worth noting

749
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:02,100
here, that there is kind of a 
background proxy battle as well.

750
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,200
You have to look at that. 
You know, Notre Dame is backed 

751
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,300
by NBC. 
Fox is backed by the oh big 

752
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:12,000
tennis, but his back by Fox ACC 
is ESPN and all of those 

753
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,000
entities are all kind of, you 
know, See, who's got the biggest

754
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,400
dick so, to speak in the 
background as well, and they're 

755
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,300
kind of using a lot of these 
conferences for a proxy battle. 

756
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:23,000
So, it's there. 
There's pieces there as well 

757
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
where it's not just as simple as
everything. 

758
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,900
You said, there's also like a 
NBC has to figure out, who do 

759
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,600
they want to partner with? 
Because they've been Notre, 

760
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,400
Dame's brand for years and 
they're not just going to give 

761
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,700
it up to Fox or ESPN or make a 
deal with a with a program that 

762
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,000
they want to do in a lot of more
like looking at their streaming 

763
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,500
services. 
There's there's a Lot of moving 

764
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:48,000
pieces here, but the media 
companies behind this are a big 

765
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,700
deal considering that it sounds 
like that was partially, why 

766
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,800
Texas didn't go to the PAC, 12 
years ago. 

767
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,100
So anyway, sorry long footnote 
there but I agree with you. 

768
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:57,900
No. 
Sorry. 

769
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
What I was saying is it is 
they've been so arrogant. 

770
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
I think, you know, I don't see a
world where Independents are 

771
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,600
going to be locked out of the 
National Championship in college

772
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,200
back in college football, in 
the, in the Super near future. 

773
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,900
But I do see a world where, if 
again, this will be kind of my 

774
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:17,100
point for a All of the things I 
see things are going to look 

775
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,100
different. 
And I just think because things 

776
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,100
have been the way they are. 
Doesn't mean that's the way 

777
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,900
they're going to be. 
And I can see a world where, you

778
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:26,400
know, the Big Ten in the SEC are
like look we're going to have a 

779
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,300
you know, playoff and reaching 
to get to protected seeds. 

780
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,900
So we each get a by and it's 
like there's a world where Notre

781
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:35,900
Dame could make their path to a 
national championship insanely 

782
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,800
hard year after year just by 
thinking, like we can continue 

783
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,800
to do this on our own and I just
I don't think there's I think if

784
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000
you're a Notre Dame. 
Now's the Time you have to kind 

785
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,500
of pick one of these conferences
because I can see the music 

786
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,600
stopping at some point and they 
could be on the outside looking 

787
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
in and like, nothing never gets 
the national championship, it 

788
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
could be a lot harder. 
All that said, it makes sense 

789
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,200
for them to go to the Big Ten. 
I also think again from a 

790
00:41:59,207 --> 00:42:02,500
counterfactual point of view, 
you have to look at this kind of

791
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,400
strategically the last thing you
want. 

792
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,500
If you're a big ten fan is for 
Notre Dame to go to the SEC. 

793
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,200
Now again that makes zero sense 
like Notre Dame and SEC. 

794
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,100
Schools have no. 
Nothing in common. 

795
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:20,400
There is no partnership there 
but again you almost have to 

796
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,400
throw all that out of your mind.
Like it's just money and it's 

797
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,600
just chess pieces. 
Like that's just a money piece 

798
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,600
and if you're the Big Ten, that 
would be the worst news that I 

799
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,300
would see. 
Tomorrow is like, oh, Notre Dame

800
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:30,800
is going to the SEC. 
It's like, well, shit. 

801
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,600
We got to find somebody now to 
go with them. 

802
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,500
So I think now would be the time
that makes a lot of sense. 

803
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,200
And I also think, you know, that
Zimmerman on this pod made a 

804
00:42:42,207 --> 00:42:45,400
great idea, you know, Sanford 
would be Really nice team to 

805
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,200
pair with Notre Dame and kind of
for the academics and the 

806
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,500
Athletics. 
But again I do think that things

807
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:52,700
are just going to look 
different. 

808
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,900
So when people you know start 
talking about, you know, how are

809
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:57,900
the conference's going to look? 
You have an even number. 

810
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,000
It's like I don't know if you 
have an even number and maybe 

811
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,700
not everybody plays everybody 
and maybe you don't play anybody

812
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:05,100
like maybe Indiana, never plays 
Notre Dame unless they make the 

813
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:08,100
conference title game. 
Like, I don't think that ta to 

814
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:10,000
your point. 
It's all about money. 

815
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,700
I also think that, you know, the
idea of like well you have to 

816
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:14,400
have a balanced schedule. 
Got to have, you're going to 

817
00:43:14,408 --> 00:43:17,300
have 17 teams, got of 18. 
She have to go to conference at 

818
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:19,100
9:00. 
I don't think they're thinking 

819
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:20,700
like this. 
I think it's like we get Notre 

820
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:21,400
Dame. 
Will get Notre Dame? 

821
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,000
And then yeah well if 17 teams 
and whatever who cares like what

822
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,400
an odd number or like, we don't 
need to Visions. 

823
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,000
Like I think the idea that some 
of us are still stuck in from 

824
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,200
years of college sports and 
Athletics and conferences and 

825
00:43:34,207 --> 00:43:36,500
you got to have divisions and 
you got at least Play Everybody 

826
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:40,500
once I could see all those 
things changing very quickly and

827
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,600
a lot of them just not making 
any sense. 

828
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,500
So I think there's a world where
10 could add Notre, Dame's and 

829
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,600
not. 
Anybody else to just keep an odd

830
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,900
number. 
Yeah, no. 

831
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,100
And and to me that that's one of
the reasons why I brought up 

832
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:57,000
that idea of teams getting you 
know, quote-unquote kicked out 

833
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,200
is because I think a lot of the 
rules that we've we've lived 

834
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,300
with for college sports are just
gone. 

835
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:07,000
And to me this is this was the 
game-changing one because you 

836
00:44:07,008 --> 00:44:10,500
know as much as you want to say,
hey the SEC adding Texas and 

837
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,500
Oklahoma that, you know, a lot 
of people have said that that 

838
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,900
was the real game changer 
because the SEC effectively 

839
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,200
killed the Big 12, you know, by 
adding them Change the whole 

840
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,100
power structure and etc. 
Etc. 

841
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,700
You know, Texas is a state that 
already had an SEC School adding

842
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:29,800
adding Texas. 
I mean, A&M was already in 

843
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,500
there. 
Oklahoma borders, a sec school. 

844
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:37,300
It wasn't that crazy to think 
that they'd add another school 

845
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:41,400
that was in a state they already
were in and their main rival. 

846
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,000
USC and UCLA are on the other 
side of the country from 

847
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Maryland. 
They're not even close to the 

848
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Big Ten. 
I mean, I know that that yeah, 

849
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,500
brings one of my deputies, one 
of my questions have a couple 

850
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,700
Twitter questions, I also have a
friend question. 

851
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,400
Okay, so friend of mine friend 
neighbor, who have talked about 

852
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,600
this pod, many times guy, Robert
who's Michigan State fans. 

853
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,500
So if, you know, if you want to 
say anything Pro Michigan State,

854
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:09,200
you make him very happy, but he,
he was asking me in preparation 

855
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,000
for this pod today. 
How do you see? 

856
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Let's talk about it, from a 
basketball angle because I know 

857
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,100
you guys focus a little more on 
basketball and football, you 

858
00:45:17,107 --> 00:45:22,700
know, how do you see Big Ten 
dealing with the travel for 

859
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:27,600
teams to to the UCLA, USC teams,
and vice versa. 

860
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,400
How do you see them dealing with
travel for the California teams 

861
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,600
out to the rest of the big tent?
I think you're going to see some

862
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,600
really interesting scheduling. 
I think we got I don't want to 

863
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,000
say, we got a preview of this 
because this is clearly 

864
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,500
different than anything we've 
seen in the Big Ten before. 

865
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,400
But do you remember that you're 
a couple years ago where they 

866
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,500
played the Big Ten tournament in
Madison Square Garden and they 

867
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:55,600
had to play it a week early 
because the place is already 

868
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,100
booked, you know, typically for,
for the final week going to 

869
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:03,500
selection Sunday and you saw 
some really bizarre schedules, 

870
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:09,200
you know, three games in a week,
weird pauses because I had to 

871
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,100
jam it in and and tighten it up 
and we've seen that as well. 

872
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,500
The last couple years with weird
covid cancellations and where 

873
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:21,000
they're playing games, you know,
with one day's rest Michigan. 

874
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,200
Michigan State. 
I remember played what two 

875
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,800
games. 
It was like a Friday and a 

876
00:46:24,808 --> 00:46:27,600
Sunday or Thursday and Sunday, 
something like that, like 

877
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,800
back-to-back really weird 
things. 

878
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,300
I think you're going to see a 
lot of stuff like that where 

879
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,300
they're going to play. 
They're going to take a trip out

880
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:40,500
west or out east. 
It's going to almost be like you

881
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,100
would see in the NBA where they 
do their Western tour. 

882
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,500
I think in basketball. 
You know, let's say Indiana is 

883
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:49,400
playing USC. 
If there if there Playing Road 

884
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,300
names. 
Have both of them. 

885
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:53,500
They're going to play both at 
the same time, so they might 

886
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,200
play on Thursday and then they 
might play on Saturday or Sunday

887
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,600
and then head on home. 
I think. 

888
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,400
Additionally, you're going to 
see a similar thing where when 

889
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,700
those schools come out east, you
know, USC and UCLA. 

890
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,300
They're going to try to jam them
together. 

891
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,800
So they only have they can play 
two games and then come back 

892
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,600
home and it'll be almost always 
like two Road games two home 

893
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,800
games or maybe three and give 
them a little time off. 

894
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,200
But I think you're going See 
weird things like that, the 

895
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,900
schools that are really going to
suffer from it, are USC, and 

896
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:25,800
UCLA. 
I mean, they're the ones that 

897
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,200
are half their games are going 
to be cross-country trips and 

898
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,300
which is, I'm not sure how 
that's going to go frankly. 

899
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:38,200
There's there's not a ton of 
history of it in college 

900
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,800
basketball, and I do in college 
football, when it happens. 

901
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,500
It usually doesn't go well for 
the team traveling. 

902
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,700
So, USC and UCLA could have a 
little bit of a rude. 

903
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,000
Awakening in the big tent. 
That's at least what I see 

904
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,200
coming. 
Yeah, I it's I said something 

905
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,000
similar to Robert when I was 
answering this question to him. 

906
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,300
Kind of pre pod was that? 
I think, you know, we look at 

907
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:03,700
the Pacers and the MBA which I'm
a fan of you know when they do a

908
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:06,900
West Coast trip they don't very 
rarely do they just like play 

909
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,100
the Lakers and then come back. 
Like they normally play the 

910
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:12,800
Lakers play, the Clippers play, 
the Trailblazers play the Jazz, 

911
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,400
and then come back and that's 
with an NBA team on, you know, 

912
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,800
private Charters and stuff. 
Although College basketball's. 

913
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:20,400
There. 
But yeah, I think you're going 

914
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,800
to see like, you know, Wednesday
Saturday playing UCLA USC and I 

915
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,100
said the exact same thing. 
It's really not a big deal for 

916
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:28,600
Indiana. 
It's like you do your one West 

917
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,300
Coast trip, you're done. 
It's kind of fun. 

918
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,800
If you're used to USC, you can't
just do one one road trip and 

919
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,900
then be done with road games. 
Like you're gonna have to do 

920
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:42,600
like, Marilyn Rutgers come back,
Indiana Illinois, come back. 

921
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,500
Like, you're gonna and also, 
when you look at the schedule, 

922
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,700
like I don't see a lot of 
situations outside of Nebraska. 

923
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:52,200
Go, where you could 
theoretically just schedule USC,

924
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,400
playing Maryland. 
And then back home and then 

925
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,600
Rutgers like they're probably 
going to have a lot of 

926
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,700
back-to-back Road games. 
Where's the big? 

927
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,300
You know, normally the Big Ten, 
you don't, you see a little more

928
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,800
like you two home games, one 
road to you have a little more 

929
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,900
parity. 
I'm with you. 

930
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,200
I think it's going to be tough 
on them and, you know, on one 

931
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,500
hand, I think the travel is both
understated and overstated. 

932
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,700
I think it's overstated in that,
you know, most of these teams 

933
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:18,800
are they're not flying 
commercial. 

934
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:22,900
So the flying on, you know, 
chartered Jets by the team, so 

935
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,100
it's going to be pretty easy 
travel. 

936
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,800
That's said, you know, one of 
the things I listen to like, you

937
00:49:28,808 --> 00:49:33,000
know, the Bill Simmons Cousin, 
Sal NFL, you know, picks podcast

938
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,100
every week. 
They always bet against teams 

939
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,200
that are going west to east, you
know, and that's an NFL team 

940
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,000
that has a definitely has 
chartered flights and has the 

941
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,100
highest class of travel as an 
NFL team that has trouble, you 

942
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,700
know, you see teams having 
trouble with the time. 

943
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,100
I'm zones and they're going west
to east, or east to west. 

944
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:56,400
So, you know, no matter what USC
or UCLA is providing for their 

945
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,800
basketball teams. 
I don't think it's going to be 

946
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,100
as nice as like, what the LA 
Rams provide their team and you 

947
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,500
still see issues with teams 
going west to east. 

948
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:08,900
So I do think it's going to be 
interesting and I think you're 

949
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:12,000
going to see some phenomenon 
where, you know, they might 

950
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,000
struggle on a lot of their road 
trips and the other thing, you 

951
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,300
know, and Which we just talked 
about the big tent isn't exactly

952
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,700
a slouch. 
There are brain really no easy 

953
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,100
games in the Big Ten. 
I mean maybe you get the one 

954
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:32,100
year where Penn State tanks or 
one of these teams goes down or 

955
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:35,800
Nebraska tanks or something. 
But there are not going to be 

956
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,400
easy Road games and you know, 
playing multiple in a row on the

957
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,500
road off of no rats travel. 
That's going to be really 

958
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,700
challenging, I'm sure they're 
going to do, all they can to try

959
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:50,100
to mitigate it like you. 
ER, if you know, when those 

960
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:53,200
teams come east do they, is, it 
always a late start. 

961
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,400
So, the tip is at 9:00 or 9:30 
or something. 

962
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,500
I know the home fans of the Big 
Ten schools, probably won't 

963
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,500
like, that eastern time, 
obviously. 

964
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,900
But you wonder if they do that, 
to give them a little bit of a, 

965
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,600
of a, of a chance. 
But it'll be interesting. 

966
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,800
I have two more starter couple 
of basketball questions. 

967
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,700
But first one last Twitter 
question, I just do Gets too far

968
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:21,700
away from this topic. 
I know you kind of answered it, 

969
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,200
but I want to, I want to hit it 
at least because it's a good 

970
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,100
question sent in by Kent. 
Davis at Kent Davis, 14 

971
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:30,100
regarding expansion. 
If there was not a meteor rights

972
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:33,300
issue with the ACC, which two to
four schools, would you like to 

973
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:36,100
see the Big Ten pursue from the 
ACC, you kind of answer this 

974
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,800
with the answer being none, but 
let's just say that you were 

975
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,000
going to get two of those 
schools and let's not get into 

976
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,500
it, but the meteorites deal the 
acc's has with ESPN is pretty 

977
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:51,300
locked in until 36, it's not 
good at it. 

978
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:54,300
Maybe, maybe it felt 
forward-thinking for, like, six 

979
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:56,400
months, but it definitely feels 
like the worst deal. 

980
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Those schools could ever have. 
And there are some issues with 

981
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,400
that that we can get into in a 
whole different pod. 

982
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,800
But let's just say it's all off 
the table and you could get two 

983
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,500
schools. 
Would you want to schools or 

984
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:09,100
there any schools? 
The ACC that you want? 

985
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:12,800
I mean I think I would say I 
would avoid them. 

986
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,300
I don't think there's anything 
that would that would 

987
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,700
necessarily add to what the Big 
Ten has if I had to. 

988
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:24,600
I think I would probably go 
Florida State or Miami, whoever 

989
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,200
you liked better gets you into 
Florida, you know, really, big 

990
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,900
state, great TV rights down 
their possibilities, you know, 

991
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:39,000
with the population, Etc. 
And then I do could North 

992
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Carolina would be barely 
interesting. 

993
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,300
North Carolina is also a really 
fast growing State. 

994
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,400
I know those are not football 
programs, historico lie, but 

995
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:53,000
they Got they got a little a 
little something there and at 

996
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,000
the end of the day they I think 
the basketball matters a little 

997
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,600
bit and anyplace Duke will play 
will be a huge game so that 

998
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,600
alone is worth something. 
I think Yeah, we my quick answer

999
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,100
is I'm also intrigued by Miami. 
I like the idea of Clemson just 

1000
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,000
again is almost a defensive, so 
they don't go to the SEC. 

1001
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,700
I like going after some schools 
where you're now playing an SEC 

1002
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:21,900
territory again, just thinking 
of this like a strategic War 

1003
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:24,900
kind of The Art of War. 
Let's get into their territory a

1004
00:53:24,908 --> 00:53:26,900
little, because it's not a lot 
of places they can get into our 

1005
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:28,700
territory. 
So to speak outside of Notre 

1006
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:32,100
Dame so II and it obviously, 
Notre Dame would be the top of 

1007
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,700
the list depending on how you 
view them as an ACC. 

1008
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:36,300
See school. 
If that those are the two, those

1009
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,200
the two I'd go for then if I had
to get two more you had to go 

1010
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:45,700
for for I think North Carolina 
and Duke is interesting but you 

1011
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:50,800
know they haven't had a ton of 
success pre chefs key and she's 

1012
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,500
been there a long time. 
It's just he's not there 

1013
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:57,100
anymore. 
I don't know although there is 

1014
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:00,200
from an Indiana point of view. 
There is an idea of like you 

1015
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,500
don't need to be the fastest 
person running away from a bear.

1016
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,300
You just need to be not the 
slowest and so like that is It'd

1017
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:07,600
be cool to bring them in and 
then if they make sense are 

1018
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,600
looking to cut schools, like we 
could be like, hey, Duke sucks 

1019
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,600
and football, worse than worse 
than we do. 

1020
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,600
It's a get rid of them. 
There's that. 

1021
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,100
So we also had a question for 
Hoosier fan for life. 

1022
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,000
It was about, how would you 
divide up the minutes for 

1023
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Indiana? 
I think that's very specific to 

1024
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,900
us. 
I don't want to dig make you dig

1025
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:29,100
into our starting five rotation,
but maybe we could do that as 

1026
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,500
you get a little closer to 
basketball, but before we wrap 

1027
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:32,500
up. 
So, anyway, but thank you, 

1028
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:33,900
Hoosier fan for life, for 
sending it in. 

1029
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,600
Before we wrap up, just a couple
of basketball specific questions

1030
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,700
based on some of these changes, 
I'm curious what your thoughts 

1031
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:47,500
are on, you know, not just the 
travel for UCLA and USC. 

1032
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:53,900
But how do you see them doing 
conference scheduling, you know,

1033
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:59,500
on one of the podcast on the 
brink Alex had Mike de courcey 

1034
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:02,800
on and he was talking about, you
know, when the Big East did kind

1035
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,000
of a scheduling based On, you 
know, where teams were kind of 

1036
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,600
rank to finish. 
And so they, you know, the top 5

1037
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,700
teams, projected they all played
each other twice, the top middle

1038
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:15,700
five, the bottom five is, it's 
kind of a cool way to schedule, 

1039
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,800
I like that idea again. 
I'd be interested in some 

1040
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,600
unconventional thinking, I think
just the idea of, you know, 

1041
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,600
everyone's got to play everybody
once and I'm not sure you need 

1042
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,700
to do that for basketball. 
But I'm curious, what would be 

1043
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:31,400
your ideal way of scheduling? 
You know what it is now. 

1044
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,900
A 16-team. 
Big Ten schedule. 

1045
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:35,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1046
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,800
It is fascinating. 
I haven't put a lot of thought 

1047
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:47,400
into it so I forgive me. 
Just I generally I think I would

1048
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,300
lean towards sort of what they 
do now which is just try to get 

1049
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:53,300
them as frequently played as 
possible. 

1050
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:57,500
The thing I dislike about, 
there's been a lot of proposals 

1051
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:01,800
that like this, which are in my 
eyes, kind of like the NFL model

1052
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,900
where generally, the teams that 
are the most successful from the

1053
00:56:04,908 --> 00:56:07,000
last season. 
Play the In term of the most 

1054
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,500
successful, the next season and 
they make for great games. 

1055
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,700
They're exciting. 
Generally the strongest programs

1056
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:17,900
are the strongest programs. 
I mean, we've learned about this

1057
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:21,500
for years, I mean, how many 
years does Wisconsin have to 

1058
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:27,000
show up in the top floor of 1510
standings to prove their point, 

1059
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,800
but the thing I don't like about
that is in in college athletics,

1060
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
your wind total is just so 
important. 

1061
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:39,100
To your success. 
And not only for Conference 

1062
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:43,500
titles, things like that, but 
the NCAA tournament in college 

1063
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,800
football for Bowl eligibility, 
the playoff, Etc. 

1064
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,700
So, I don't really like the idea
of making teams face stiffer 

1065
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:55,700
competition because they had 
success in the past because I 

1066
00:56:55,707 --> 00:57:00,700
just I feel like it hurts your 
chances of postseason success. 

1067
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:02,800
And I know college basketball, 
people will tell me. 

1068
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,300
Well, you know, it's not really 
that. 

1069
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:09,200
It's a more advanced Analysis of
the whole resume excetera, you 

1070
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,600
can tell me that, but I do think
there is a certain point where 

1071
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,100
your scheduled just becomes 
prohibitive to have success and 

1072
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:21,000
we've seen teams get killed by 
tough schedules before. 

1073
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:25,300
So I'm not a big fan of that. 
I prefer just try to make it as 

1074
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:29,700
even as possible as many games 
against everybody's possible. 

1075
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,200
You wonder if they're going to 
even consider adding more 

1076
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,500
conference games in college 
basketball. 

1077
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:37,400
You know what? 
Of the things we're talking 

1078
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,100
about scheduling UCLA and USC. 
You wonder if the two games 

1079
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,300
which we've done now for a 
couple years in December, do 

1080
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:49,000
they add a do? 
They space them out even more to

1081
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,500
where they mix in more 
non-conference games throughout 

1082
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:56,000
the year so that those teams can
space out there travel east? 

1083
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,000
I don't know. 
I think that's something they 

1084
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,000
might consider. 
But yeah, I prefer the model as 

1085
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:09,500
it is now, in terms of just Shin
protect a couple rivalries and 

1086
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,800
otherwise just try to make it as
even as you can. 

1087
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:20,500
It's imperfect and it's tough, 
but I don't like the idea of 

1088
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,700
Gearing the schedule towards 
towards, I suppose your success 

1089
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:30,100
from the prior season or or even
earlier in the season, that's a 

1090
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:33,300
fair point. 
I guess you could do it based on

1091
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:36,700
my projections for the season. 
I mean, first off like they 

1092
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:38,700
don't really protect rivalries 
now because it's been a couple 

1093
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:40,500
years. 
We haven't played Purdue twice, 

1094
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,900
you know. 
So I would love to get some of 

1095
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:46,900
that back in there. 
I'm coming around on the again 

1096
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,100
everything. 
Just like you I think you have 

1097
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:49,900
to have an open mind on this 
like I'm coming around to the 

1098
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:54,300
idea another version. 
The NFL model where you know the

1099
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:59,900
Colts don't play the Bears every
year, they're both in the NFL 

1100
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,000
but they just don't play that. 
They don't play the NFC teams 

1101
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,300
every single year and I'd be 
okay. 

1102
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:07,900
If it's like look, Indiana is 
always going to play. 

1103
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:10,800
Purdue twice, always gonna play 
Illinois twice and always going 

1104
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,600
to play, you know, Michigan and 
Michigan State twice. 

1105
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,900
Or, you know, you pick kind of a
couple of teams and those are, 

1106
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,400
you know, in your geographic 
region and everybody else. 

1107
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,000
It's like, yeah, maybe we play 
USC once every two years are we 

1108
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,500
just don't get them on a Ian. 
I like that. 

1109
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:25,900
I also, you know, as an Indiana 
fan. 

1110
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,600
II don't know where you fit more
Big, Ten Conference games 

1111
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,000
because one of the issues that 
Indiana has had is our 

1112
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,200
non-conference schedule has been
poor. 

1113
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,600
I think part of that is based on
coaching decisions, it was kind 

1114
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,500
of a legacy of the crean era. 
But also I don't want to put too

1115
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:48,100
much stock in this but it is 
something of note. 

1116
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,300
You know, we've been playing in 
the crossroad, classic for 

1117
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:54,300
whatever it is 10 or so years. 
Now and that was always like, 

1118
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:56,300
you know, December 10th or 12th 
like right in that. 

1119
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,300
You know, second third weekend 
in December, and you notice in 

1120
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:02,100
the calendar, everybody else is 
playing these Marquee matchups 

1121
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,700
like Michigan, State's playing 
Kansas and can't Spring Kentucky

1122
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:08,400
and UCLA's playing organ and, 
and we're stuck playing, you 

1123
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,800
know, Notre Dame and Butler. 
Not knocking the seems like 

1124
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,200
we're saying the same schools as
producing the same boat. 

1125
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,600
Playing the same schools every 
year. 

1126
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,200
And you're the first year that 
we aren't in that we're suddenly

1127
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,000
playing at Arizona in Vegas and 
we're going to play a home and 

1128
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,100
home with Kansas. 
It's like so You can't, I don't 

1129
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,700
so my point is the minute that 
that weekend was a huge weekend 

1130
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,700
to play a bunch of non 
Conference teams. 

1131
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,400
If you start taking those 
weekend's away from from the Big

1132
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,900
Ten to play other Don Conference
teams, I'm not sure how good our

1133
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:43,000
non-conference schedules could 
be because we're all locked into

1134
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,600
playing those games, that you 
can't really move it in 

1135
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:45,800
November. 
Because that's when all like the

1136
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,100
Bahamas. 
You know, Hawaiian turnip is a 

1137
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,800
lot of this term it's going on. 
Like I you look at the calendar 

1138
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,000
for college bass was not a lot 
of room to do that when they're 

1139
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:56,900
There, when you'd be basically, 
taking the Big Ten out from 

1140
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:01,600
eligibility of playing, some of 
those kind of Marquis early, 

1141
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,900
non-conference games. 
Well, I think I think that's 

1142
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:09,200
fair as we sit today, I think 
the question is, is if the 

1143
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,800
conference realignment starts 
happening, the Big Ten with the 

1144
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,900
pocketbook because the STC, 
their problem isn't quite as bad

1145
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:20,900
but they have a little of it. 
The same with the Big Ten. 

1146
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,800
Could they push their weight 
around and basically make them 

1147
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,800
No, the other conferences be a 
little bit more open where, you 

1148
01:01:27,808 --> 01:01:30,100
know, the Big 12, the SEC, they 
have their Challenge. 

1149
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:33,700
And what January or is it early 
February? 

1150
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:36,500
Right. 
Right in conference play. 

1151
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:40,700
And and there are a couple LOLs,
I mean right around Christmas, 

1152
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,800
usually the three or four days 
before the Christmas break, 

1153
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:48,000
which I understand there's a 
exams going on, that's why they 

1154
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,400
usually do it. 
But most of the Big Ten teams 

1155
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,200
play, dead bodies, that time 
either. 

1156
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,300
So, like, Would they just throw 
in a conference game there to 

1157
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:57,700
try to space it out a little 
bit? 

1158
01:01:57,700 --> 01:02:00,600
I don't know it. 
They're going to have to be 

1159
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:06,400
creative if they want UCLA and 
UC USC survive, because they 

1160
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,400
very much could sink their 
Seasons if they want to with the

1161
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,000
schedule because I just, it 
could, it could be rough. 

1162
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,800
Do you think I know that you do 
not have Insight info on this? 

1163
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Or if you did feel free to break
out the podcast, let's F and go.

1164
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,500
But you mentioned on your own 
You know, about the Big Ten 

1165
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:28,300
basketball tournament the year, 
it was in New York, which was, 

1166
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:33,600
it felt very similar to like the
hey, the Colts built a new 

1167
01:02:33,607 --> 01:02:35,500
stadium, but we get a Super Bowl
six years later. 

1168
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:36,900
It's kind of like this thing in 
the NFL. 

1169
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:38,500
You build a stadium? 
You're probably going to get a 

1170
01:02:38,508 --> 01:02:40,800
Super Bowl. 
It felt a little bit like, Hey, 

1171
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:41,900
we're trying to get to New York 
market. 

1172
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:44,500
Like will give you a Rutgers and
we'll throw a Big Ten tournament

1173
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:46,200
in Madison Square Garden. 
Where? 

1174
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,300
It's just like wait why are we 
there? 

1175
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,300
Tell me again why we're best 
work hard besides that. 

1176
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:54,600
It's always oscillated between 
Indianapolis and In Chicago, 

1177
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,700
which kind of makes sense. 
Do you see this edition of UCLA 

1178
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:01,500
and USC? 
Just reading the tea leaves, 

1179
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:03,600
just you're feeling. 
Do you ever see the Big Ten 

1180
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,000
doing something wild like 
putting the Big Ten tournament 

1181
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,800
for basketball in ela or Vegas 
or somewhere to help them out 

1182
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,000
and kind of give them a give 
them a once you know, kind of a 

1183
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,300
one, one shot to throw it out 
there. 

1184
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,400
I think they will absolutely put
it in LA. 

1185
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,100
I think it will be in the 
Staples Center. 

1186
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,100
I think it's going to happen. 
Absolutely. 

1187
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:30,700
I don't know if they do Vegas 
just because well. 

1188
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:34,300
I mean they would they might 
consider it but I absolutely 

1189
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:39,000
think it will be in l.a. sooner 
rather than later Frank. 

1190
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,300
I think they'll view it. 
As a lot of people will want to 

1191
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:44,200
go out there for a trip. 
It will be a Destination type 

1192
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,400
thing. 
Frankly, it sounds kind of fun. 

1193
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,000
To be so I I absolutely think 
they will do that. 

1194
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,900
I agree to, I think, I think 
before like I had to put a 

1195
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:00,700
gamble on it. 
I think, before 20 they come in 

1196
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:05,000
and 2025 I think, before 2028, 
there will be a Big Ten 

1197
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,600
Tournament somewhere in the 
western time zone, but I think 

1198
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,100
you're right. 
It probably isn't Staples 

1199
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:11,000
Center. 
I could see it in Vegas. 

1200
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:15,100
It makes all the sense in the 
world and why like somebody like

1201
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:17,000
my dad whose head would just 
explode. 

1202
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,000
It's like why? 
That was the Big Ten tournament 

1203
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,100
in La. 
It makes all the sense in the 

1204
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,600
new reality, and I wouldn't be 
surprised if it's not just a 

1205
01:04:24,607 --> 01:04:26,900
one, like the Madison Square 
Garden thing felt like a 

1206
01:04:26,908 --> 01:04:29,000
one-time thing. 
We're not going back, man. 

1207
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,500
That was looking back, that's 
wild because that's where the 

1208
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:34,800
AC. 
That's where the Big East just, 

1209
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,700
that's where they make their 
bones. 

1210
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:41,200
Like that is so synonymous with 
Big East tournament, the Staple 

1211
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,100
Center and LA River. 
You mean the Pac-12 was kind of 

1212
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:44,500
move their conference tournament
around. 

1213
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:47,400
It's not like you know there's 
just the a see this. 

1214
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:50,000
Sorry that I cannot say they see
the Big East is just like 

1215
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,400
synonymous with the garden. 
So it was wild that we were 

1216
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,700
there before them. 
Just kind of like a pre is just 

1217
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:58,900
so stupid looking back that felt
like a one-off. 

1218
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,700
I could see that being the 
rotation where it's at in D 2 

1219
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:04,200
years. 
Chicago two years and then l.a. 

1220
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:10,000
two years. 
Yeah I mean I I'm hopeful that 

1221
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,700
they're going to keep rotating 
it. 

1222
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,700
Frankly I'm you know they're 
putting in a Minnesota. 

1223
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,500
I want to stay next year. 
That's right. 

1224
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:22,200
Yeah, only 23 and I'm a big fan 
of it. 

1225
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:25,400
I like rotating it. 
Through Big Ten areas. 

1226
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,300
Like, I'd like to see it in 
Detroit. 

1227
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,300
I'd like to see it. 
I mean, Cleveland's Lincoln 

1228
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,300
Nebraska a year. 
I think that would be fun. 

1229
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,500
Lala to me, I don't see a huge 
problem with it. 

1230
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:46,400
I think the environment is kind 
of, they usually don't have an 

1231
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,900
issue so on up to Tickets. 
It's, it's always like an NCAA 

1232
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:53,100
type environment where it's 
people are moving in and out, 

1233
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:56,800
Etc. 
Let places hosted. 

1234
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,400
I mean, I think, I think 
absolutely, you know, have it 

1235
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,100
run through Chicago and Indie on
some type of regular basis. 

1236
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:07,900
But even if even if you did 
those, you know, every three 

1237
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:11,800
years instead of what seems 
like, every two, that would be 

1238
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,100
fine by me. 
I like the idea of it rotating. 

1239
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,300
Yeah, no Detroit. 
You bring up as a great. 

1240
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:19,900
It is a great call. 
Cleveland is good. 

1241
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:22,900
I mean there's a lot of you 
could even do like Philadelphia.

1242
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:26,300
There's a lot of plate, just 
kind of go to the call, the MBA 

1243
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:29,200
Arenas in that area. 
You could go to a lot of those. 

1244
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,000
See, I think that would be 
that'd be kind of cool. 

1245
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:35,800
Yeah. 
One day, one day and I with you 

1246
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:40,100
made us as a trip to like, again
it it, you know, six months ago,

1247
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:42,200
if I would have told you like, 
you know, Big Ten, tournament 

1248
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:43,500
basketball. 
The stapler Center. 

1249
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:45,500
You be like, what? 
It's a full 70, like, what isn't

1250
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:47,400
like the crypto Center? 
They change the name anyway. 

1251
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,400
Staples are yeah, yeah, yeah, 
this is true. 

1252
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,600
I think it is. 
Anyway, it's like that would 

1253
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,100
have been insane, but it's like,
it makes a little bit of sense, 

1254
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:57,700
but also as a fan it's like, I 
that's, that's great, like, I 

1255
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:00,900
would love, love to go out there
and I would definitely take a 

1256
01:07:00,908 --> 01:07:02,200
trip. 
I mean, dude, it's been an 

1257
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,800
indie, a lot. 
Times I live here and I'm kind 

1258
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,600
of like yeah, I don't really 
want to go but I would, I would 

1259
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:12,900
go to, I would definitely go to 
La so yeah. 

1260
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:17,100
I just to me it's already kind 
of that like you do a road trip 

1261
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:20,400
or a flight, you know, it's kind
of like a one-off type of. 

1262
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:26,000
That's how I view it at least 
and I think it's fun going going

1263
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,300
to different places and I don't 
feel like the Big Ten Tournament

1264
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:32,600
has to be attached to a singular
Arena or arenas. 

1265
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:36,600
I like, I thought the one in 
Madison Square Garden. 

1266
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,200
I did not like that. 
It was a week earlier, that's 

1267
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,600
something. 
I was not a fan of, I think it 

1268
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,600
should be the selection Sunday 
week, but I didn't have any 

1269
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,400
issue with with that. 
I thought it was really cool. 

1270
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,300
I thought it was a great 
environment for a lot of those 

1271
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:53,000
games. 
The DC-10. 

1272
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:55,600
Not I didn't think was quite as 
good but I thought it was fun 

1273
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,900
to. 
Ya know, and you mentioned the 

1274
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:00,700
travel. 
The last thing is like I think 

1275
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:05,300
the real positive to this is 
those first Couple of UCLA USC 

1276
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:08,600
games. 
When Big Ten teams are playing 

1277
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,700
over there for the first time in
both basketball and football. 

1278
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,100
I think you're going to see some
great games and some great 

1279
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:17,899
crowds because I know like I 
said, I as an Indiana fan, you 

1280
01:08:17,899 --> 01:08:20,300
know, let's go for football 
because we might just get 

1281
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:23,500
crushed, but, definitely for 
basketball, like, I would, I 

1282
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,300
would never think to just circle
my calendar. 

1283
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:28,200
Like, I got to get to Penn State
for the IU Penn State game this 

1284
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,000
year. 
But I mean, the first year we're

1285
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:34,600
going to Paulie, I might just go
And I was like, what the hell 

1286
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,399
is, why I like LA? 
And as other people have 

1287
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,399
mentioned like, LA and February 
sounds pretty nice to me. 

1288
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:42,600
And think you're going to see a 
lot of teams do that. 

1289
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,899
Especially for football. 
Like, if your Michigan, you 

1290
01:08:44,899 --> 01:08:47,600
know, Ohio, state, Wisconsin, 
Penn State, Michigan State, and 

1291
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,600
you have a real team, it's like,
we're going to go play USC and I

1292
01:08:51,608 --> 01:08:54,500
get to go to, you know, the 
coliseum in September, like, 

1293
01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:57,300
sign me up. 
I think that's a hidden value. 

1294
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:00,200
Here is the first two or three 
years, some of those games out. 

1295
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,300
There are just going to be 
awesome because you're going to 

1296
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:05,700
have A good mix of fans. 
I think a lot of Big Ten fans 

1297
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:07,800
are going to get a basic a 
reason to go to l.a. 

1298
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,000
Oh, 100%. 
I think you're going to see. 

1299
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,399
Great atmospheres. 
So, the first couple of years, 

1300
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:15,600
every football game. 
And the thing too, is it, it 

1301
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,200
goes both ways. 
This is one of the things that a

1302
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,700
lot of people are like, well, 
you know, USC UCLA haven't 

1303
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:24,800
really been that good at 
football lately. 

1304
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,200
Basketball, there, hit or miss 
ya UCLA starting to come around 

1305
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,800
a little bit on the hardwood, 
but are they really that good? 

1306
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,899
And I'm like, Yeah, but think 
about your team, hosting USC 

1307
01:09:35,899 --> 01:09:38,000
football, or hosting UCLA 
basketball. 

1308
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,399
It's immediately a big game. 
It's immediately interesting. 

1309
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,600
You're going to sell tickets, 
it's going to get a lot of 

1310
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,700
attention, that's why they're 
added. 

1311
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:48,000
That's that. 
I mean, it's the meteorite 

1312
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,200
stuff. 
It's the LA Market, but it's 

1313
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,200
also that where USC football, 
anytime they play a game, it's 

1314
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:58,300
it's usually on that top 25 
Ticker on ESPN. 

1315
01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:59,700
It's a game where you're going 
to go. 

1316
01:09:59,700 --> 01:10:02,500
Oh hey, USC spine. 
How are they doing flip over? 

1317
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,400
And that's that's the value even
if they're playing, you know, 

1318
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:11,900
Rutgers or Maryland or Illinois 
games that aren't that big. 

1319
01:10:11,900 --> 01:10:15,600
They're interesting because 
USC's in them and no it hasn't. 

1320
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:17,700
That's the brand. 
That's what it's worth. 

1321
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,000
It was funny, but we're going 
long. 

1322
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,800
But that's the brand of crimson 
gasps, but that you are 100% 

1323
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,600
right on that. 
That's, you know, both USC and 

1324
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:32,600
UCLA have that thing that very 
few programs have that once. 

1325
01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:34,900
Once they, yeah, they haven't 
been great for a while. 

1326
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:38,900
But it's like, if UCLA has one 
good year in basketball and you 

1327
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:40,400
saw, they went to the final 
game. 

1328
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:43,100
It's like, they're back. 
Like they could just get back 

1329
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:44,700
like that. 
And same thing with USC and 

1330
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:48,700
like, I think it remains to be 
seen by think Lincoln, Riley, 

1331
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:52,800
could definitely do it there. 
And if they go 10 and 2 or, you 

1332
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,500
know, 10 or three or whatever, 
they win the the, you know, the 

1333
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,500
Sugar Bowl, that's the kind of 
team that, you know, you, they 

1334
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,500
could lead Pete's, not that not,
this is like the ultimate, you 

1335
01:11:01,508 --> 01:11:05,000
know, Soft spot in sports. 
Like they could lead the a block

1336
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,500
of PTI where it's like, are they
good enough to win a title next 

1337
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:09,700
year? 
Like, very few teams can have a 

1338
01:11:09,708 --> 01:11:12,900
c's, like an Arizona. 
Did that in football. 

1339
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,800
It's not like everyone's like, 
who Arizona's in the rides. 

1340
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,600
Like, oh, that's cute store. 
Except we'll see what happens. 

1341
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,200
Like USC does that? 
And it's like, oh, they're back 

1342
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:21,100
and like, suddenly they're back 
in there to be ranked in the top

1343
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:23,200
5 and like same thing with UCLA 
basketball. 

1344
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:26,000
Both of those Brands. 
They have that ability to 

1345
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,600
basically become a National 
Power. 

1346
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,400
Just like that, it's, you know, 
Oklahoma is like that. 

1347
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:34,800
I Think that, you know, they 
haven't been down but, like, 

1348
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,000
Duke basketball, UNC basketball,
if they were down as like that, 

1349
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:39,700
you know, I think Michigan 
football. 

1350
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:41,500
You're seeing that now. 
They're like that, you know, 

1351
01:11:41,508 --> 01:11:43,600
there are just programs that are
like that. 

1352
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,100
I'd like to think Indiana 
basketball is somewhat like 

1353
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:49,100
that, but we need to get back a 
little bit more but there's 

1354
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:52,100
these programs that if you have 
a, you just have one or two 

1355
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:54,100
good, you know, pretty good 
years. 

1356
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:56,900
You can basically do the were 
back and suddenly everybody 

1357
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:58,800
treats. 
You like a blue blood that's 

1358
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,300
been around the whole time. 
Mmm Yeah. 

1359
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,700
And and to me it's That that's 
going to be exciting. 

1360
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:09,800
The first couple of years, you 
know, and as we've said, we're I

1361
01:12:09,808 --> 01:12:13,800
mean, geez, assembly UCLA, the 
first time they play there, 

1362
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:17,100
that's going to be fun. 
That's gonna be a God. 

1363
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,500
That's going to be. 
That's going to be awesome. 

1364
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,000
Yeah. 
And and and it's like yeah, 

1365
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,400
those will be fun. 
But it, but it's the same for 

1366
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,100
even the smaller schools where 
like I said, Nebraska, they're 

1367
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:34,200
going to be hyped to play UCLA. 
In basketball, I know they will 

1368
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,900
for football. 
When you see shows up there, 

1369
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,600
it's going to be fun. 
I'm, that's the part. 

1370
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,200
I'm looking forward to, there's 
going to be some great games. 

1371
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,700
Some it's going to add a lot of 
interests to across the board. 

1372
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:54,600
I don't like that the history 
sort of being thrown out but 

1373
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:59,000
it's just sort of what all these
administrators have allowed to 

1374
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,600
happen. 
Yeah, well, it's been Thomas. 

1375
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,500
It's been fun. 
I wanted to ask you about, you 

1376
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:08,200
know, why we shouldn't be sad 
about Michigan State, stealing 

1377
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,800
Xander Booker out of India, 
state of Indiana, but we'll save

1378
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,100
that for later and do a little 
bit more basketball preview as 

1379
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:16,900
you go closer. 
But Thomas, thank you so much 

1380
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,000
for joining, man. 
It's been a pleasure. 

1381
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,900
Thanks for having me, and again,
you can always check them out, 

1382
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:25,000
at BT. 
Powerhouse.com you can check him

1383
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,600
out on Twitter. 
Oh my gosh, I gotta pull it up 

1384
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,500
just in time. 
It is Where is it? 

1385
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:38,000
AT&T benefit? 
Bei ndit on Twitter or just BT 

1386
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,700
Powerhouse. 
BT power. 

1387
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:42,000
House.com. 
Again, Thomas, thank you so much

1388
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,300
for joining and for everybody 
else. 

1389
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:44,700
Who is listening? 
Thank you very much. 

1390
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,800
We're going to start building up
for the Indiana football season.

1391
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,400
Gosh, I hope it's going to be a 
good one, but we're going to do.

1392
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,600
Lots of previews will get you 
ready for that first game 

1393
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,100
against Illinois, coming up soon
here in a couple weeks. 

1394
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:59,100
So till next time, this is Scott
for Crimson cast signing off,