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Right now, but I think they, 
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We are ready to talk about 

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Indiana. 
Winning a tournament game for 

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the first time since 2000. 16. 
I remember where I was watching 

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their last tournament when I was
at the god, the pizza place, 

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right next to it. 
Umbridge with my brother-in-law.

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Getting ready to watch the in 
the Pacers. 

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Take on the Thunder, but we 
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It was fantastic down there 
Galen, man. 

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How you doing? 
I'm doing good. 

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I'm doing much better after the 
victory last night. 

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It was certainly an experience 
from a viewing perspective. 

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But we've one of those games 
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on, it wasn't going to be 
pretty. 

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And I managed to not wake up too
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While I was watching the game, 
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that all together, a pretty good
positive. 

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Yeah, that's, that's because of 
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You didn't, like Lavin and they 
Avery Johnson Too Much. 

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No, that was really a poor Crewe
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I mean, that was that later, but
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enjoyment of the game by any 
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You know, look, I know. 
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got a lot going on but that we 
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I don't know that they've 
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total of Indiana basketball 
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Season that they just, there was
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That wouldn't, I think, enhance 
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just didn't happen in that one. 
But hey, you know, this is the 

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problem that you run into that 
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tournament. 
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knowing the team as long as as 
Indiana's able to play in those 

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games. 
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everybody here, listening nose, 
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know, it's kind of Is it going 
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Davis game or the Jordan 
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definitely pulled us out, you 
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game, 29 Points, unbelievably 
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field, 9 from 11, from a line. 
So let's keep that up. 

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You know, Jordan Geronimo came 
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you know, my take away from the 
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really nervous because in the 
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we're better than Like this is a
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We should win. 
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Jared on Jared Morris on 
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Kind of does these like, you 
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12 and the underrate time out. 
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This is a point where we could 
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didn't, I mean, we slowly kind 
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which isn't always going to 
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after you got to the underrate 
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all right. 
This game should be over to get 

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to the under for it's All right,
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and a steal away from this being
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And suddenly, we're in a spot 
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close this thing out? 
So I was very nervous until the 

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end because it did feel like we 
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closing it out. 
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It's fantastic, will take it. 
But that's those are that's my 

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initial thought of the game. 
What about you? 

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Yeah. 
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individual player performances a
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I felt the same on the playing 
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seen so often with this team. 
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in terms of win probability 
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have a 90% chance or an eighty 
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game and then it just 
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I mean and you look at all of 
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Somebody has had a tweet that 
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several weeks where they was set
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was a good 75 percent, or better
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lost. 
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about the eight and a half 
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Chance to win, you know, and if 
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point where Indiana went up 49 
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This to shot, Indiana had a 
chance to come down, take a 

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double-digit lead and they 
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rattle off for straight points 
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Come on really. 
This is going to happen again. 

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Fortunately the joke and it's an
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to make it. 
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Is that Indiana finally found an
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Point that loves scoring 
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because that's essentially what 
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you know, they got it back to 
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I think about 7 minutes and 20 
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score again until about the four
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And it was to be fair. 
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then in that in that time period
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Yes, but you know, but the big 
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with for a lot of the season, is
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Then their offense will go 
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starts to go on runs. 
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Is that Indiana's defense? 
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kind of a run and it really the 
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score is close. 
As they did, was Indiana made 

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some uncharacteristically dumb 
defensive plays at the end of 

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the game. 
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you know, fouling made three 
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They gave why? 
Homing a bunch of points at the 

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end that their defense, their 
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didn't warrant the game being as
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And so look, I think it's the 
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You got a lot of nerds. 
You got people trying to maybe 

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over do things a little bit. 
You didn't have a lot of 

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offensive performance out of, I 
you, but I you on the game 

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overall, did everything. 
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him to do in terms of a full 40 
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They scored a point per 
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A pretty good defense. 
They held their opponent under a

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point per possession. 
They got really good 

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performances, out of a couple of
their players and you know, the 

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end of it. 
They and they had a big enough 

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lead that they could afford to 
make mistakes and still win the 

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game relatively comfortable. 
Yeah, the other positive, the 

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takeaway from this to is you 
hate to think you dodged a 

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bullet, but you dodged a bullet 
because this is a game where, 

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you know, we've you and I have 
been a little critical and like,

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Parker, Stuart Miller cop like 
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play this bad again, you know, 
Miller cop has four points or 

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sorry zero points. 
You'll Parker Stewart has four 

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points like they were both 
inefficient to say the least, 

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you know, they've what you 
whether you like them or don't 

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like them. 
This was about as bad as you're 

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going to see them play. 
You have to assume they're going

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to play better. 
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Xavier Johnson has been on a 
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He was a, he was still really 
good at pushing the offense a 

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little bit of an inefficient 
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to for ten on ten points. 
You'd expect that to go better, 

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you know, race Thompson, only 
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You expect more out of him. 
He was in foul trouble. 

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You know, if I told you that 
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those, all those things you're 
having like, we're in trouble. 

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It's like Trace Jackson. 
Davis gonna have a great game. 

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It's like, okay, I've seen that 
all the other pieces aren't 

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working. 
That's probably not going to 

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work and I would say, two words,
you know, Geronimo. 

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He's probably not going to give 
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every night, but the things that
he was doing felt replicatable 

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like he was just fighting spots 
around the The room and 

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obviously the three put back 
dunks, but, you know, people are

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it's not like st. 
Mary's is going to have three 

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weeks to scout for him. 
It's like there's not a lot of 

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tape on Geronimo and if he's 
playing with that kind of 

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aggression and just that kind of
motor, he's probably going to 

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get 10 points just on and around
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So I feel very positive that we 
dodged a bullet and that, you 

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know, your you basically only 
had the tray. 

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Second day was the only guy who 
was basically playing it at a 

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elite normal level. 
Everyone else seemed to have an 

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off game, you got by It with a 
win and I doubt all those guys 

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are going to have off games 
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I think you're underselling the 
Jordan Geronimo performance. 

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That was only the fourth time 
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The Jordan Geronimo has scored 
in double figures. 

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It was only the fourth time in 
his eye, you career. 

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But Jordan Geronimo has scored 
in double figures. 

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It was his season high in points
and, you know, you look at his 

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contributions rebounding wise. 
I think he only had maybe three,

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four games, the Entire season, 
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it wasn't just a 15 points. 
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It was his willingness to take 
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It's it's not normal that Jordan
Geronimo would be the guy that 

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would be your second offensive 
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He had to be because of all the 
things that you said before. 

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I mean you weren't you weren't 
getting points out of race 

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Thompson, race Thompson. 
Looked totally off. 

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I'm it was an aberration for 
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been just nerves or something 
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certainly off of his Off of what
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As you mentioned. 
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the way of authentic 
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starters and that was certainly 
concerning and eventually didn't

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show up either. 
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had a nice shot at the end of 
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basically didn't see him. 
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Trey Galloway had one of his two
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uniform and yet with all of that
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win and it was largely because 
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the offensive, end the times 
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throughout. 
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here and there, but, you know, 
to hold a team like Wyoming, not

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just under a point per 
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They were Point 88, which is 
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turnovers and, and to do. 
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Wyoming's offense, just look, 
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time. 
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it was they were, they were 
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They were, they were making 
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by himself and that led the ten 
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That all is replicatable. 
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that Mike Woodson is built 
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talked about it a bunch of this 
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defensive identity and that that
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to win games and the offense is 
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but you know, while they look 
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defense. 
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you know, I'm sure they've had 
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times during the year, but you 
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the start of the game Scott 
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this Unstoppable score, he would
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I trace Jackson. 
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post and then they'd 
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slap the ball away and he had no
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And I'm just like, like this. 
Do is great. 

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Great defense by, are you, but 
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Like Indiana did nothing 
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They didn't change their entire 
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guy or two guys, and it was more
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if he ends up winning by three 
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I have a different I disagree. 
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result. 
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look pretty good. 
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is again, the way I saw it as 
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like, all right, like EK looks 
like he's a not inefficient 

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score but a guy who takes a 
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to get to a spot and Get to his 
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got in the post but we really 
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Like all right, let him get the 
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And then you look at the box 
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Wyoming. 
Like you have two guys in double

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figures and Maldonado and EK. 
Everybody else is in single 

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digits. 
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took two point field. 
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EK was 74, 14, and Jeffries was 
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Everybody else. 
Nobody else shot. 

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A, a shot outside of inside of 
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wild box score and it did look 
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if you're gonna take it to EK, 
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Like, you're gonna slow the game
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He's going to take an entire 
possession to get his points. 

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It's like if he gets 17 points, 
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Like, we're not going to double 
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We're not going to, you know, 
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It did kind of have that, you 
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because he K is not Jordan. 
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early, you know, we're just 
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points. 
We're going to let everybody 

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else beat us and that's kind of 
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As I rek you can You can do what
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pretty good in the post. 

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He was making some nice moves, 
but it's like it took so long 

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for them to get it done. 
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seconds. 
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unbelievably efficient. 
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they end up scoring, you know, 
point eight points of possession

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and again, just a wild box score
where it's basically just two 

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guys doing everything. 
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I mean he he ends up with a 
relatively efficient line, but 

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It took a lot of making up at 
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get to that point. 
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the 30-minute Mark and he's not 
really much of a factor and it 

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was interesting because down the
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He almost couldn't be a factor 
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many points. 
They had to shoot threes at that

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stage. 
So, anyway, regardless of what 

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your take on things was, I 
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Defensive performance overall 
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Wyoming didn't really have that 
third option that they could 

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regularly rely on and, you know,
You know, everybody gets scared 

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about the three pointers and I 
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three pointers, you know, but 
and even the Wyoming seem like 

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they hit a bunch, they only hit 
six, they shot 32 percent from 

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three. 
That was a lot better than what 

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Indiana did on that front, but 
it was Indian Advance. 

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That's a bunch. 
That's a punch for us. 

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Well, it's funny it. 
I'll jump over to the Indiana 

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side on this one. 
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Despite. 
I don't know if Indiana could 

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have played worse in several 
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especially from an Offensive 
perspective. 

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They do all the game. 
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from the field. 
They shot 2 for 13 from 3, which

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is 15 percent which is just 
mind-blowing. 

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It was not good. 
They've only have. 

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They've only have four games 
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three or fewer three-pointers. 
And this was the worst from a 

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percentage perspective 
three-point shooting game that 

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Indiana has had since January. 
Now, the weird thing about this 

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Indiana team is of those four 
games now, 13 of them. 

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They need two shots. 
Two from three against Ohio 

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State at home. 
They won that game. 

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They made three from three 
against Illinois at home. 

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They lost that one. 
They made three from three 

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against Illinois in the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

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They won that one, and then they
make two in this game and they 

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win this one. 
So, I don't know what that says.

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This is clearly a team that was 
built for 1985 from a basketball

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rules perspective. 
But that said, I think it says a

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lot for IU that they were able 
to figure out a way to come. 

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Come. 
Up with the victory in this sort

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of environment, despite not 
being able to shoot from outside

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and a largely. 
What did it for them in this 

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game? 
At least was offensive rebound. 

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And they grabbed nearly forty 
percent of the available 

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offensive rebounds. 
In this game. 

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It kept possessions alive George
Geronimo. 

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As we saw took advantage on a 
couple of occasions and was able

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to get put back dunks or what 
have you, you know, they being 

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able to do that. 
And you combine that with the 

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fact that Indiana only committed
eight turnovers shouldn't. 

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They weren't giving away a 
bunch. 

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Two possessions. 
It's that that's one of the big 

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underrated turnarounds that this
IU team has had all seven as 

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much as turnovers were the main 
issue for the first two months 

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of the season. 
It's really, really cool to see 

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how much more carefully they 
take care of the basketball. 

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And, you know, I think that all 
told the will to win the game 

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from this team at the end, even 
with the mistakes that they made

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was really impressive. 
And so I'm just I'm just 

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excited. 
Did that, you know, you get a 

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one of the old-time tournament 
performances from an individual 

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for Indiana. 
Basketball out of Trace. 

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Jackson, Davis who's waited 
multiple years to even have this

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opportunity. 
He takes full advantage of it. 

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You get literally a career game 
out of Jordan Geronimo Off the 

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Bench. 
You get a pretty good game out 

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of Xavier Johnson and you look 
at all that and you're like, 

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gosh, they're just off 
pensively. 

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At least. 
A lot of guys know, showed from 

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a statistical perspective, if 
those guys can pick it up 

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Suddenly. 
It's like well, if you can win 

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with only three guys 
contributing offensively and 

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then c-double-a Tournament game.
You feel pretty good about 

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Indiana's chances to play a 
really good game in the next 

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round. 
And so I'm just overall, really,

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really pleased at the end of it 
all with how things turned out. 

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It was, it was a little closer 
than you would have liked a 

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little more of a rock fight. 
And I think most people would 

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have liked. 
But by the same token, Indiana, 

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collectively did a good job of 
grinding it out. 

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Yeah. 
No, I agree. 

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And you are right the, the the 
turnovers for this team. 

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It's done. 
They've done very well. 

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You look at the last, you know, 
five or six wins, especially the

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Big Ten Tournament. 
Like. 

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They've had less turnovers in 
our opponent for a good number 

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of games now and then yeah, 
Wyoming was just Maldonado with 

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10 turnovers. 
Why me as a team 19 turnovers 

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are just turning the ball over 
left and right. 

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The thing that you know, I was 
hitting this on Twitter. 

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I just I want to give you the 
opportunity to rail. 

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I want a Like, we all saw it 
when it came out. 

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It boggles. 
I'm moving a little bit off the 

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Wyoming Game. 
It boggles my mind, you know, 

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these are student athletes in 
the NCAA cares about, you know, 

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student athletes and classes, 
and all that. 

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Like, you know, you're going to 
put this team. 

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Whoever plays this game is going
to be in the first four. 

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And then obviously, they're 
playing the next round. 

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You have Regional sites in 
Pittsburgh, in Milwaukee, in 

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Buffalo, in Fort Worth, all much
better traveling, distance 

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today. 
Date. 

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And by the way, this is that 
this is also going to go to 

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Rutgers and Notre Dame tonight. 
The fact that this game ends and

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I see a tweet that's like 
Indiana's open practice time. 

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Like, I'm and my basement. 
It's like, you know, 11:45 like 

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roof. 
I'm tired. 

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Like, I'm tired. 
I'm ready to go to bed. 

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And I'm also 43 years old, but 
like I'm tired. 

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It's like I see a tweets like 
oh, yeah, Indiana's practice 

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time open, practice in Portland,
starts in 20 hours. 

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It's like they are still taking 
a shower from this game in 

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Dayton, Ohio. 
I saw they had plane. 

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No malfunction plane issues. 
Like they didn't get on the 

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plane until like 4:00 a.m. 
Or something. 

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It is, it's criminal that 
they're doing this two teams 

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that like, and the fact that 
we're not even the effing last 

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game in Portland, where the 
first game in Portland, which is

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like, what are you doing? 
I put it on Twitter. 

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I'm will agent Johnson on 
Twitter at a seven underscore 

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scenario. 
Had a funny tweet there. 

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He's like, cause I was joking 
about how Bad. 

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This is it will maybe the 
answer. 

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Do they like the unstable ask 
him. 

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Like maybe I should fly from 
Dayton to Bloomington the go to 

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class on today and then go 
Bloomington to Portland, which 

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is like a very fun and I know 
we're on spring break, but it's 

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a funny take, it's just it's 
mind-boggling. 

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Same thing for Notre Dame 
Rutgers tonight. 

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They're going to turn around and
go to San Diego, which is 

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annoying. 
Like I don't think it needs that

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were going to lose its just and 
it might actually galvanized us.

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As like, it's just such a 
emotional rush like just keep 

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the high going and let's just 
plow through but it is, you 

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know, it's nuts. 
It's BSE. 

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Unfair, the NCAA shouldn't put 
any team through this and 

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honestly would have it's bad for
us. 

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I I'll I would have almost felt 
worse for Wyoming. 

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They're flying from Wyoming to 
Dayton and then back to 

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Portland. 
It had they won. 

449
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,200
Totally unfair, but that that's 
my rail as we look at where 

450
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,000
we're moving from here to the 
next game. 

451
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,500
Yeah. 
Look, I mean, I've talked about 

452
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,200
this Bunch. 
It was just unnecessary. 

453
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,200
They didn't have to do it this 
way. 

454
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:28,800
They could have put both play in
game winners or all for playing.

455
00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:30,800
Game winners in friday-sunday 
regions. 

456
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,700
They certainly could have put 
the play-in game winners in 

457
00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:37,500
regions. 
That weren't three time zones 

458
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:39,600
away. 
Maybe there's just a lot of 

459
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:46,400
things that it's more sins of 
incompetence, the sins of 

460
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,400
malice, you know, it's one of 
those where I don't think they 

461
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,600
looked at the bracket and said, 
well, gosh, how can we screw? 

462
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,900
The play-in game winners? 
I don't think they look at the 

463
00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:57,600
bracket at all. 
Like the and there were a lot of

464
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,800
things that the The committee 
did that. 

465
00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:03,200
It was great. 
It really make you question what

466
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,400
they were doing and there have 
been the whole podcast devoted 

467
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,600
to just talking about those 
things. 

468
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,000
We won't get into the here. 
Everybody's focused on the 

469
00:23:10,008 --> 00:23:14,200
Indiana piece of it. 
Look, it just it didn't have to 

470
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,900
be this way. 
And you know, I guess Indiana 

471
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:19,900
had a plane issue last night. 
They were supposed to leave at 

472
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,500
about 1:00. 
They didn't get off the ground 

473
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,400
until 4:00 date and time least. 
That's what I saw today on 

474
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,200
Twitter. 
I'm assuming that that's true 

475
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,700
based upon the sources. 
No, so that means that they're 

476
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:35,100
going to get an even later. 
So, you know, I think the guys 

477
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,900
physically will bounce back, 
just fine. 

478
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,100
It's not that bad a travel 
because I'm assuming it's a 

479
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:43,600
chartered flight that there's 
not gonna be any belts on. 

480
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:47,400
They'll be room to spread out a 
little bit, but it just, it 

481
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,300
seems unnecessary when you've 
got a site in Pittsburgh. 

482
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:54,700
And you've got a site in the 
walkie and you've got a site in 

483
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:56,800
Greenville, South Carolina. 
I mean, all of these are 

484
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,200
reasonable travel distances from
Eaten. 

485
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,100
Even if you want to put somebody
in Fort Worth, which is also a 

486
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,200
first, and second round site 
would have made more sense. 

487
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,000
But look, this is the thing that
we've missed out on as I you 

488
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,100
fans for a while was you know, 
how screwed up some of the in 

489
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:15,600
sea level is approach can be, 
you know, the, in this, what the

490
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,000
selection committee does. 
So I wasn't surprised by it. 

491
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,900
I'm just dismayed by it. 
Now. 

492
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,600
It's like your joke about like 
what, you know, last year and we

493
00:24:23,608 --> 00:24:26,300
got kind of jobs out of the BCS 
or the, you know, the New Year's

494
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:27,900
Day six. 
And we're like, wow. 

495
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,800
And it's like, yeah. 
Yeah, like, welcome to the party

496
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,300
in the air. 
Like this is what happens every 

497
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:33,200
year to college football teams 
that you just. 

498
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,200
You haven't been in the big kids
Thanksgiving, Reuben. 

499
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,100
Unfortunately, we haven't been 
there now, but no. 

500
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,700
Now we are in the turn, you 
know, we're in a spot where you 

501
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:42,300
can pick us in a bracket, which 
is awesome. 

502
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:46,100
I'm not done my bracket until 
today, based on that fact, as I 

503
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:50,100
want to pick Indiana Again st. 
Mary's, I'll ask you this. 

504
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,800
Now, as you look at st. 
Mary's, you know, what do you 

505
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,400
see with them? 
They seem to play a slower 

506
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,000
style, which would theoretically
help help in the Anna, you know,

507
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,200
how do you see this matchup with
us? 

508
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,500
Moving forward? 
I'm assuming they have moved the

509
00:25:04,508 --> 00:25:05,900
match. 
I'm assuming with the NCAA as I 

510
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:12,600
move the matchup and Kansas in 
the next, we're gonna go ahead 

511
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,900
and Swap this to a game in the 
Kansas City. 

512
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:21,700
Yeah, this this game is really 
interesting in that, it is a 

513
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:26,800
matchup of teams, who statistics
look very similar, but who get 

514
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,600
there in very different ways. 
You know, Indiana obviously is 

515
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,900
Led offensively generally by my 
three guys who are like Head and

516
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:39,000
Shoulders above everybody else 
in terms of their production and

517
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,900
what they contribute. 
Obviously, Trace Jackson. 

518
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:45,800
Davis is the big dog race 
Thompson, Xavier Johnson, and 

519
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,100
then you got a big drop-off and 
you get guys that will appear 

520
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,200
out of The Ether and will 
contribute whether it's Jordan 

521
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Geronimo, or you'll get maybe a 
good Miller, cop game or 

522
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,100
whatever. 
St. 

523
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:58,700
Mary's doesn't quite work that 
way. 

524
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:02,700
Really got what I would say is 
six guys, that regularly 

525
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,700
contribute, their best players, 
from a overall contribution 

526
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:10,300
perspective. 
Our Mathias tasks, who's a 6-10 

527
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,300
senior. 
And then Tommy cuse who's a 62, 

528
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:19,600
senior, they are, you know, that
they manage with the way that 

529
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,700
they play to be. 
Very methodical, Ross Baker 

530
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:27,200
yesterday on Twitter called them
like a forget. 

531
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
It was like a lesson. 
Offensive Wisconsin or something

532
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,800
like that. 
They play a player, really slow 

533
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,100
pace. 
They're not the most efficient 

534
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:38,100
team offensively. 
They you know, unlike Wisconsin,

535
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,900
they don't get to the free-throw
line, very often, where st. 

536
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,300
Mary's really makes their bread 
and butter on offense is that 

537
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,500
they hit their free throws when 
they do go. 

538
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,900
They hit shots pretty well. 
Overall, the 35 percent from 

539
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,800
three and they don't turn the 
ball over. 

540
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,700
So, you know, that's, that's 
been kind of the pattern that it

541
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,400
was constant, would have had. 
So it will be somewhat familiar.

542
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,600
St. 
Mary's has been really good on 

543
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,900
defense. 
Events over the course of the 

544
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:01,800
season. 
They don't allow a lot of 

545
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:05,900
offensive rebounds and they 
don't allow their opponents to 

546
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,100
shoot from three very well. 
Well, joke's on you, st. 

547
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,400
Mary's, because Indiana takes 
care of that part. 

548
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,700
So, and you know, what's 
interesting to me over all about

549
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,200
the st. 
Mary's team is their profile 

550
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:24,600
doesn't strike me as a profile 
of a team that is a five seed 

551
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,300
from, you know, in terms of like
big wins on the course of the 

552
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,900
season. 
And most of their big wins are 

553
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:35,400
either against teams that are 
out of the bracket or very low 

554
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,300
in the bracket. 
Yes, they did meet them zaga, 

555
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,300
that was in the last game of the
regular season. 

556
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,800
That was a home that, you know, 
they get some credit for that 

557
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400
but you're not playing at home 
in the NCAA tournament. 

558
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,200
Their best wins away from home. 
They did win at San Francisco by

559
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,100
2 and San Francisco. 
Had a very good season there in 

560
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:56,300
the NCAA tournament. 
They won against Notre Dame on a

561
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,700
neutral floor, sort of Indiana 
by a bigger margin. 

562
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:04,600
And I would say, and then they 
won a game on the road. 

563
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,300
I guess it was a, yeah, I was at
Utah State by 2. 

564
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:10,600
So this is not a team that away 
from Moraga California, where 

565
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,500
they're based has demonstrated a
dominance. 

566
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,800
Now, Indiana has a neither, I'll
give you that, but I just feel 

567
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,600
like when I look at the st. 
Mary's team, it's hard to really

568
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,000
get a sense of how good they 
actually are, because they are. 

569
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,600
In the West Coast Conference and
unlike Gonzaga. 

570
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,600
They're not challenging 
themselves with a tremendous 

571
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,000
number of top level out of 
conference competition. 

572
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,400
Certainly. 
I think that they've got a lot 

573
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,100
of players that are going to be 
difficult to deal with tasks and

574
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:47,600
q's test shoots 47 percent from 
three, which is clearly 

575
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,200
frightening, you know, they've 
got two other guys on the roster

576
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,000
who shoot 39 percent from three 
and it taken more shots from 

577
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,600
that distance that he has Alex 
do. 

578
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:04,200
Is shot. 39% Kyle, Bowen also 
shot 39 percent from three, but 

579
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,600
I actually really like the 
matchup for Indiana because it 

580
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,100
feels like a game that's going 
to get played in the 50s or 60s 

581
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,600
and it feels like St. 
Mary's are going to do some 

582
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,300
things that Indiana can't stop. 
Well and Indiana is going to do 

583
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,700
some things at st. 
Mary's can't stop well and you 

584
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:24,700
know, I'm sure st. 
Mary's defense is excellent. 

585
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,300
But I also feel like Indiana has
played. 

586
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,300
A lot of excellent defense has 
so far this year being in the 

587
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,900
Big Ten, nothing that st. 
Mary's going to do defensively 

588
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:36,100
is going to be shocking to them.
So, two things, you said 

589
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:37,400
earlier. 
I'm going to reference back to 

590
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,100
you joked about Indiana being an
85 offense. 

591
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:42,800
Like, this is a like they should
really get the old-school. 

592
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,500
Like I have the list here. 
I'm not sure who is announcing 

593
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:52,100
this game Obama pulled up right 
now nigga, lapis is on this game

594
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,600
if I'm not mistaken, but I'm not
100% Sure. 

595
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,500
Thursday, Portland. 
Yeah, lapis, but and Andy Katz I

596
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:02,900
was saying they should get like 
Bill raftery and the old guys 

597
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,100
because this is like an old 
school game where you have an 

598
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,700
Indiana team. 
It doesn't shoot threes. 

599
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:09,400
And like we basically play 
inside out and then you know, 

600
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,100
st. 
Mary's has led by like you said,

601
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,300
Johnson cues and tasks like 
three seniors. 

602
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,500
They also another senior on the 
starting line is like it's a 

603
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:20,100
senior Laden team of this is 
like the the old-school NCAA 

604
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:20,900
tournament. 
Imagine. 

605
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,700
This is like, let this is this 
is a clear, Brent Musburger, 

606
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:29,800
Billy Packer terms of I will 
send like, it's just for one 

607
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,800
game. 
Take away the three-point line, 

608
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,700
take away the shot clock and 
just just like, run with it like

609
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,800
that. 
I think would be gonna go with 

610
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,000
the old school way and like the 
skinny Lane. 

611
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,400
Yeah, that'd be great. 
But the other thing too is a you

612
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,300
mentioned, the way they play and
this is where you mentioning 

613
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:47,200
with Wyoming. 
Like they look like they hadn't 

614
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,800
seen a defense like we have 
before and again, I I don't 

615
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,600
think because Saint Mary's plays
in the West Coast Conference. 

616
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,200
Like they were, they're going to
be totally blown away. 

617
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,500
But I I do think there is 
something to, you know, when you

618
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:00,500
play In the Big Ten, you get 
used to these teams, you know, 

619
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,900
the teams that play Indiana are 
used to what they say. 

620
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:05,100
All we know. 
You know, what, that's going to 

621
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:08,500
be like, you get used to it. 
As you mentioned, you look at 

622
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,200
st. 
Mary's record and you look at 

623
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,900
their schedule this year. 
It's like they, they just don't 

624
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,200
have a lot of tough games with 
based on being, in the West 

625
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Coast Conference and, you know, 
they did beat San Francisco 

626
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,500
twice. 
They did beat Gonzaga once, but 

627
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:25,200
then a lot of just games against
teams that are in the 200s 300s 

628
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,000
in Ken Palm, you know. 
They lost to Wisconsin when they

629
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,200
play them like you mentioned, 
Notre Dame game. 

630
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,600
Like I do think there's a and 
then you're not going to have a 

631
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,400
lot of time, you know, at least 
from Indiana's point of view. 

632
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,000
They could have been doing some 
pre-prep for st. 

633
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,500
Mary's st. 
Mary's had to prep both Indiana 

634
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,100
and Wyoming teams. 
So they're just starting to get 

635
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:46,100
prepped now like I could also 
see a world where you could see 

636
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,100
Saint Mary's a little bit. 
Like wow, this is this is a 

637
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,600
defense. 
We haven't really faced much 

638
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,400
before outside of Gonzaga this 
year. 

639
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,500
So I think you could you could 
see that being a nice Advantage 

640
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,100
for Indiana as well. 
Well, it's interesting because, 

641
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,500
you know St. 
Mary's. 

642
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,000
You feels like they're in the 
NCAA tournament every year and 

643
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,200
yet and yet they're not like 
they were they were in the NIT 

644
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,800
last year and nobody was in the 
tournament. 

645
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,900
The year before in 2019. 
They went as an 11 seed and they

646
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:19,000
lost to Villanova in the first 
round, but it was a very 

647
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
different team that team was a 
lot more offensive. 

648
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,500
We focused that team was 23rd 
and can palm and offense 55th 

649
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,300
and defense. 
They still played that very slow

650
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,800
style and A lot of the Vintage 
st. 

651
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Mary's teams that we've seen 
over the years, have been more 

652
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,900
offensive ly focused than 
defensively focused. 

653
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,700
And and so when I think about 
this Saint Mary's team and what 

654
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,600
they're doing this year, it's 
impressive that Randy Bennett 

655
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,100
who feels like he's been there 
for four or five decades like 

656
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,800
it's hearted. 
He's one of those coaches where 

657
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,700
it's just like you ever age. 
Do you ever go anywhere? 

658
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,600
He's clearly created a great 
program at Saint Mary's but you 

659
00:32:55,608 --> 00:32:59,200
know for him to be able to flip 
A script a little bit and win 

660
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,000
primarily with defense, as 
opposed to relying entirely on 

661
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,700
offense is an interesting 
change. 

662
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,300
And so overall, when I think 
about st. 

663
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:10,600
Mary's I don't think it's a walk
in the park. 

664
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,100
I think that it's one of those. 
Go ahead. 

665
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:13,000
Sorry, Scott. 
Oh, no, sorry. 

666
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,900
No, I mean like but you are 
right. 

667
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,600
Like when you when you look at 
their I'm kind of flipping 

668
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,700
through here. 
Like yeah, they haven't been in 

669
00:33:18,708 --> 00:33:20,900
the tournament that off and let 
you go back to the last time 

670
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,000
they were in at previous to what
you were mentioning like in 

671
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,300
2017, you know, they were a 
seven seed, they beat VCU, but 

672
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:30,900
then lost to Arizona. 
Go back to, you know, 24th. 

673
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:34,600
I'm going back there in the NIT 
a lot, which I shouldn't make 

674
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,900
fun of. 
We're wait. 

675
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,300
Thank you. 
We're lucky. 

676
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:40,600
If we get the NIT at this stage.
No, it's a 20 2013. 

677
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Like they were 11 seed. 
They beat Middle Tennessee. 

678
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200
They lost a Memphis. 
Like there is, you know, just 

679
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,600
anecdotally there is kind of 
this history and them in the 

680
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,600
tournament of they can kind of 
beat the when they play a power 

681
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600
five Conference Team. 
It looks like in the tournament 

682
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,500
like they they don't win those 
games. 

683
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,300
Well, it's going to be 
Interesting, because I think you

684
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,500
take st. 
Mary's lightly at your own 

685
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:05,000
Peril. 
They're clearly a team that 

686
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,700
knows how to score. 
They're clearly a team that 

687
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:13,100
knows how to control possession.
And they are a team that if you 

688
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,900
don't take care of business and 
if you're not efficient yourself

689
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:19,500
offensively, you're going to 
have a lot of trouble st. 

690
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:24,000
Mary's takes care of the 
basketball in a way that is a 

691
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,699
challenge for a team like 
Indiana who, you know, Wally 

692
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:31,100
Anna hasn't done a great job of 
forcing turnovers. 

693
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,400
They you know, yesterday was a 
great example of their ability 

694
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,600
to do so, you know, so again, as
I said at the very beginning, 

695
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,800
it's kind of a strength vs. 
Strength thing with this team. 

696
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,500
And with this matchup now, you 
know, Ken Palm doesn't have his 

697
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,100
projection out yet to the next 
round. 

698
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,199
That'll happen after tonight 
torvik site, actually, as 

699
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:56,199
Indiana favored by one in this 
game, and I think I need to 

700
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,400
check Haslam real quick and see.
Exactly. 

701
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,700
What what the projections are 
for that. 

702
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:05,700
The last I checked Indiana was 
projected as a basically a 

703
00:35:05,707 --> 00:35:08,600
statistical Dead Heat. 
Saint, Mary's is projected to 

704
00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:13,400
win by half a point on Haslem. 
My point is, statistically 

705
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,200
speaking. 
These two teams are very close 

706
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,300
to one another. 
This is going to be another 

707
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:22,500
grind type of game and I kind of
I like Indiana's chances in this

708
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:26,100
game because Three strikes and 
Davis. 

709
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:31,300
There was a statistic that I 
retweeted last night that I 

710
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:35,700
didn't even think was a thing. 
Let me find it real quick 

711
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,800
because I think it's worth 
mentioning here on the podcast, 

712
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,000
for those who haven't checked 
Twitter Trace Jackson Davis over

713
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
the last six games, has scored 
105 points. 

714
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,800
Shooting 65.7%. 
From the field, is the only 

715
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000
division one player in the last 
25 years to score 100 or more 

716
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,300
points on. 
Went shooting over any six-game 

717
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:58,800
span. 
Now, that's a pretty, you know, 

718
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,100
that's a pretty specific sort of
statistic but it demonstrates. 

719
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,300
How good trace Jackson Davis has
been over the course of the last

720
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,200
six games and as much as we were
concerned about his offense 

721
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400
falling off in the middle part 
of the Season up, really right 

722
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,200
up until the end of February. 
He has just come completely out 

723
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,600
of his shell. 
He has played at a level. 

724
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,100
That is all. 
Their equality over the course 

725
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:30,100
of the last six games and 
st.mary's will not have played a

726
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,700
player just quite like him and 
what he can do. 

727
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:36,700
And if you can get contributions
offensively from more people 

728
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,800
than Indiana, got contributions 
from against Wyoming. 

729
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,600
I do like their chances because 
if you can get 25 points out of 

730
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Trace Jackson, Davis in a game. 
Well, if you're in a game where 

731
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,200
you only have to score 65 
points, you just need 40 total 

732
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
points and everybody else and 
it's Indiana's defense plays as 

733
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,500
well as they did against 
Wyoming. 

734
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,000
I do like them. 
Chances over all know. 

735
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,900
And when you mentioned that the 
trace Jackson Davis thing, the 

736
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,200
thing that I really has been 
cool to see unlocked is, that 

737
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,600
was funny. 
Last night, you know, Xavier 

738
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Johnson had the alley-oop to 
trace Jackson Davis and it was 

739
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,600
like on Twitter is like, oh, 
there it is. 

740
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,100
If we wait for the alley-oop, 
it's like yeah. 

741
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:13,800
Yeah. 
I mean, like an alley-oop dunk 

742
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
is nice, but it's not something 
you just automatically get every

743
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,300
game, but yet over these last 
five or six games, definitely 

744
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,800
the Big Ten Tournament. 
We've seen one to two of those 

745
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,800
again, that it got kind of in 
the Wyoming Game. 

746
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000
It's like, oh well, Are we going
to see the alley-oop dunk? 

747
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200
It's like, all right. 
We're I'm not sure, but it's, it

748
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,300
does show that like, they've 
unlocked something and you can 

749
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,600
see him kind of set it because 
he's, you know, you can see him 

750
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,100
try and get it set up and, like,
they keep on doing the top high 

751
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:38,900
pick-and-roll, but they're at a 
point where you literally have 

752
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,300
five games in a row where Xavier
Johnson, and Trace section Davis

753
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,000
have hooked up for, you know, at
least one to two alley-oop, dunk

754
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,800
every game, which is, that's a 
very good thing. 

755
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,300
So, do I have some breaking news
in D, and we're taping this at? 

756
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,600
30 on Wednesday morning and I 
use plane just landed 20 minutes

757
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,000
ago. 
So they are in Portland. 

758
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,600
We could confirm that they got 
there. 

759
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:06,900
No, your look, the the 
pick-and-roll that dunk. 

760
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:08,500
Clear. 
America was the banner moment on

761
00:38:08,508 --> 00:38:12,700
assembly call. 
Wyoming made it their mission to

762
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:14,900
keep that play from happening 
all gate. 

763
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:18,500
And, you know, I think it's a 
credit to Indiana. 

764
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,700
That is much of a huge part of 
the offense is that was during 

765
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:24,300
the Big Ten Tournament when that
got taken away, there it is. 

766
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,100
Yeah, well, we can just go down 
and post up. 

767
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,100
Trace Jackson, Davis, and 
everything will be fine. 

768
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,700
And that's the level. 
I know it doesn't look overly 

769
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:35,900
versatile necessarily but 
Indiana has found some wrinkles 

770
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,900
in their offense as difficult as
Indiana's offense. 

771
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,600
Can be to watch at times. 
Still, they have been able to 

772
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,300
figure out ways to have one 
thing work and then use that to 

773
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:48,900
set up. 
The other thing that they do. 

774
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,800
And I'm curious to see how st. 
Mary's decides to go about this 

775
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,100
because Wyoming's whole thing 
seemed to we're not going to let

776
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,200
that high pick-and-roll happen 
at the expense of letting Trace 

777
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,400
Jackson get Davis. 
Get position on the block by 

778
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200
himself. 
If St. 

779
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,800
Mary's going to be like, yeah, 
let's just see 25 points to 

780
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,500
trace Jackson Davis and and you 
know, not not allow that to 

781
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:10,700
happen. 
Or are they going to go the 

782
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,600
other direction? 
I'm curious to see what happens 

783
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,300
with that. 
I'm sure they'll have an idea on

784
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,000
it, but I just don't know what 
direction they're going to go. 

785
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:21,400
Yeah. 
So here is, here's my take, you 

786
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
know, going into this weekend or
this this week. 

787
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:28,400
I'll say My wife that, you know,
for me, it's like if if we win 

788
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,300
two games, I think that's that's
a fantastic March for me. 

789
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:35,600
Like, that was going to be like,
if we could beat Wyoming and we 

790
00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:36,700
can beat st. 
Mary's. 

791
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,600
We've had an unbelievable March.
Even if they play really well 

792
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,000
against st. 
Mary's and losing, I don't think

793
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,800
it's a bad March. 
We're in a great spot. 

794
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Now, you know, I love people who
get overly excited and it's 

795
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,800
like, oh, you know, I think 
Indiana toughest games in the 

796
00:39:49,808 --> 00:39:52,300
elite eight, it's all right, 
everyone calm down, but I do 

797
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:56,100
think like, you know, work as a 
We're halfway there and I say 

798
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,300
again, we don't need to win to 
make it great. 

799
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,600
But it's like it's we're in a 
great spot. 

800
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,700
And this is again, what we've 
also missed in the tournament is

801
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:06,200
like there's a world where we 
play Saint, Mary's really tough.

802
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,600
We win, maybe Akron beats UCLA 
and we kind of get a nice easy 

803
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,000
path into a sweet 6. 
A possible, sweet. 16 like 

804
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,800
there's a world where we don't 
run into UCLA that happens. 

805
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:22,400
Anyway, I just, I man, I'm super
fired up because I'm excited to 

806
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,000
see us play on an actual like, 
You know, a I'm going to use air

807
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,600
quotes if you real tournament 
day, there's tons of games going

808
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,500
on. 
I've been looking forward to 

809
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:33,700
that for years, but also that, 
you know, we're we've already 

810
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,700
made this a really, really good 
March. 

811
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,100
And so I'm really happy. 
Yeah. 

812
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:39,900
Gotta Miss. 
I'm sorry. 

813
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:41,900
I'm looking at the fly to where 
stuff to I just pulled it up 

814
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:42,800
inside. 
No, it's fine. 

815
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,200
It's I mean, it's like looking 
at their flight track. 

816
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,000
It's like they landed 20. 
I mean, dude, I went to bed. 

817
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,700
We're doing a podcast like they 
just landed. 

818
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:53,900
It is it is Bonkers wild but you
know, hey, they care about the 

819
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:55,800
students. 
Athletes, they really do. 

820
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,300
Well look, I will say going back
to what you were originally 

821
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,900
saying, like, it was hard to 
know what success was coming 

822
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:06,600
into, this NCAA tournament 
because there's no Benchmark for

823
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Indiana at this point. 
And I think everybody was 

824
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,900
curious about how would Indiana 
fare against 18 outside the Big 

825
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:18,400
Ten on a neutral floor? 
Would they be able to carry over

826
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,400
the attitude and the conviction 
that led them to being a 

827
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,700
successful as they? 
Or in the Big Ten tournament and

828
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:30,400
I think the answer here is. 
Yes, you know, the one of the 

829
00:41:30,408 --> 00:41:34,700
things that I've been keeping 
track of has been the barked 

830
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:40,700
Orbach game ranks page where he 
gives basically a game score to 

831
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:44,800
the games that teams play and 
Indiana now has three straight 

832
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,300
games where they've scored a 93 
out of 100, which the last time 

833
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:54,200
they scored at 93 or better was 
the Maryland game at home back. 

834
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,800
Back in, you know, what was that
January? 

835
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:03,000
I guess so, but the point being 
Indiana is playing some of its 

836
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,600
best basketball of the Year. 
And that didn't end in the Big 

837
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Ten Tournament. 
It carried over into this first 

838
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,800
game of the NCAA tournament. 
And that was despite as we 

839
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,000
mentioned, guys, not playing 
particularly. 

840
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Well on offense outside of the 
three guys that were in double 

841
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,200
figures. 
So, what is success from this 

842
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,200
point forward look, they they 
are an underdog. 

843
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,700
You're going to think marriage. 
I think that that line opened at

844
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,600
two and a half points. 
They will be favored in a couple

845
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,600
of statistical services to win 
the game. 

846
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,500
They will be underdogs in a 
couple of statistical analyses 

847
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,400
to win the game. 
Giving a great account of 

848
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,000
yourself and losing a close game
to a five seed. 

849
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,600
As a 12 seed is not in my 
opinion, a disappointment. 

850
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Obviously, we'll have to watch 
and see how the game goes if 

851
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,100
they win that game. 
I think the current is an 

852
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,200
unqualified success, regardless 
of what happens afterwards 

853
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,800
because you've demonstrated at 
that point, that there's a core 

854
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,700
understanding of what you're 
doing and that you're able to go

855
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:05,100
and win a game against the 
higher-seeded team in the eyes 

856
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,700
of the committee. 
And that's really all your actor

857
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200
in the NCAA tournament. 
You know, the obviously the 

858
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,500
equation is different. 
If you are a top four seat, you 

859
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,900
know, the expectation there is 
you have to get to the Sweet 16.

860
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:17,900
Otherwise, it was kind of a 
failure in this case. 

861
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:19,300
I don't think that's how it 
works. 

862
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,600
For Indiana for a program that 
hasn't been to the NCAA 

863
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,800
tournament and so long for a 
program that looked like it 

864
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,300
wasn't going to the NCAA 
tournament as recently as a few 

865
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:30,700
weeks ago, even just to go into 
the play-in game. 

866
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:35,500
And when is a Real Testament, to
how this postseason I think, 

867
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,800
will in the future, be deemed a 
success. 

868
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,200
If they are actually able to 
pull this off, where they have 

869
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,100
to fly cross-country in the 
middle of the night, get a day's

870
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:45,600
rest and then arm, and then 
asked to go out and beat st. 

871
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,700
Mary's, that sends it into a 
whole different Stratosphere, 

872
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:53,300
but even if they lose Lose, I 
think that Indiana has already 

873
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,300
accomplished. 
A lot of what is a program. 

874
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,100
They needed to accomplish. 
If they got back to the NCAA 

875
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,100
tournament, they won a game. 
And yes that game counts just as

876
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:03,500
much as any other game in the 
NCAA tournament does. 

877
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:09,200
And now to some degree, it's 
like all right, how much higher 

878
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,300
can you move the bar? 
And it's all in front of you at 

879
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:14,700
this point. 
And the way that this team has 

880
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,300
played even on short rest. 
I like their chances of making 

881
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,400
this game competitive and maybe 
even Coming away with the 

882
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,800
Victory. 
And, you know, I'm really 

883
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,600
curious to see what happens in 
this Thursday. 

884
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Evening game against st. 
Mary's. 

885
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,600
I am too, I go into it, you 
know, cautiously optimistic. 

886
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,100
I really do. 
I think there's a, I think we're

887
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,700
in a good spot. 
And I think this is where, 

888
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:35,300
again, you can run this next 
game. 

889
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:37,700
On adrenaline. 
You might hit the wall against 

890
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,400
UCLA or whoever play the next 
round, but it does feel like 

891
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,600
they're onto something. 
And as you mentioned, like, 

892
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,500
Trace Jackson, Davis has 
unlocked. 

893
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,100
What playing at a level we 
wanted to play at? 

894
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:52,300
I'll end on this. 
I just gotta roll you on this. 

895
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:54,600
I don't want to get too deep 
into this. 

896
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,300
But I so annoying at the end of 
the game Indiana wins. 

897
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,900
And it's like the first question
you have to ask Woodson is, 

898
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:04,800
like, what do you think? 
Bob Knight would think of this? 

899
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,400
It's like stop like can we stop 
with? 

900
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,300
Not like can we saw like one, 
see? 

901
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:10,400
What branch for cracking 
thought? 

902
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,900
It's like I thought. 
What's his answer was fine, but 

903
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:13,800
it's like it was just such a 
sure. 

904
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,300
All that, all their Indiana fans
are like, can we ask about 

905
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:18,900
Jordan Geronimo Trace Jackson, 
Davis, like anybody who's 

906
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,000
currently on? 
A team like do we have to talk 

907
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,200
about Bob Knight every time? 
Look the sideline reporting was 

908
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,100
among the worst I've ever seen. 
I'm sorry. 

909
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,500
I mean the halftime question, 
you know, you're you're you 

910
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:34,100
know, and the question for 
Rothstein about Jordan 

911
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,300
geronimo's play. 
It's like, hey, there's times to

912
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,700
ask that like, maybe tummy 
indrani pointed this out. 

913
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,100
Like, don't ask that question 
going into halftime and would to

914
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,300
just kind of blew it off. 
Like let's put a total team 

915
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:46,100
effort. 
Yeah, you know, but like yeah, 

916
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:49,600
that question at the end about 
night, the lack of any like, 

917
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Worthwhile information on what 
was going on with the teams and 

918
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,100
what their focus was, it was 
really fascinating. 

919
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,500
I mean, II, don't know. 
You always run into these 

920
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,900
situations. 
It feels like with with Turner 

921
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,600
produced games where you 
actively question. 

922
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,300
Like either, what like we're why
is this person asking these 

923
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:14,400
questions? 
And why was that? 

924
00:46:14,408 --> 00:46:17,100
What was that? 
What they came up with, or in 

925
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,600
the case of the studio crew. 
How many college basketball 

926
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,900
games? 
Have you watched this year? 

927
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,200
Like the crew couldn't like 
things? 

928
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,100
They seem too convinced that 
Trace Jackson? 

929
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:29,700
Davis was just traced Jackson, 
you know, they struggled with a 

930
00:46:29,707 --> 00:46:34,100
lot of basic facts that, you 
know, knowledgeable people would

931
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,900
have probably had on both teams,
not just in Vienna, but also, 

932
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,100
Wyoming and that's why I Of the 
year that they had Berkeley 

933
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,700
doing because least barco is 
honest, but I'm watching these 

934
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,100
scenes this year, but man, that 
kid for offers pretty good. 

935
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,100
Like you just feel like he could
definitely tell. 

936
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,100
Like, he was honest about it, 
which I love that. 

937
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,300
You're no. 
It's, I would have when they 

938
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,400
asked that question of Woodson, 
like I was thinking like, you 

939
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,600
know, if it's great if Woodson's
like who coach, who like I don't

940
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,900
never heard of him, have a good 
night. 

941
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:06,500
Like I will say, I will say the,
the night, the folks that are 

942
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:09,400
really still very much like they
view the entirety of the in. 

943
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Deanna basketball program 
through bob Knight. 

944
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,900
Love that answer. 
It was a great answer from 

945
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:14,200
Woodson. 
It was like, the only answer you

946
00:47:14,207 --> 00:47:19,500
could give in that environment. 
I really you touch. 

947
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:23,000
This is why you teach this 
because like question, it's like

948
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,200
there's only one answer like 
what's, which can going to say. 

949
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,700
Like, I don't mean night kind of
soft rock. 

950
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,200
He wasn't good and legal 
situations. 

951
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,600
Like, you know what I thought 
about it like a Now's, the Time.

952
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,700
I'd like to mention. 
I think Coach case better than 

953
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:34,400
night. 
Like what do you what do you? 

954
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,300
His answer is going to be what 
his answer was great, but it's 

955
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:39,500
like that's what his answer was 
going to be something. 

956
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,300
Along those lines. 
Well, yeah and look up your all 

957
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,700
right on that. 
But there's not much I can say 

958
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:49,600
about the national questions. 
I will say this. 

959
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,200
On this, in this vein, not so 
much about the questions, but 

960
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,600
about the person that was being 
asked to Mike Woodson deserves a

961
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,600
ton of credit for it was a stat 
that came out that someone 

962
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,600
tweeted last night, you know, 
Woodson brings and be out of the

963
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,100
tournament and wins a tournament
game for the first time since 

964
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,800
2000 16. 
So six years, he coached the 

965
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,000
Knicks to their first playoff 
series win in 13 years and he 

966
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,400
coached the Hawks to their first
playoff win Series win in 10 

967
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,000
years. 
That was from that Fortuna. 

968
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:25,400
From the athletic. 
And you know, look there's 

969
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,100
there's still a lot of things 
that it's clear that Woodson is 

970
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:30,100
processing about the college 
game. 

971
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,500
When you look at strategy, 
there's timeout issues, there's 

972
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:37,700
rotation issues, but it's 
working and it's what he's done.

973
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:42,000
Is he's galvanized this team to 
think about themselves as a unit

974
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,600
and play as such he's gotten 
good performances. 

975
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,900
Out of players different players
on different nights, which is 

976
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,900
very much something that used to
happen. 

977
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,300
A lot in the night are aware. 
You know, guys would just pop up

978
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,300
out of the blue and have great 
games, you know, Woodson 

979
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,000
deserves a ton of credit for 
what he's done. 

980
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,800
This year hasn't been perfect by
any means and I think there's 

981
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,300
been a learning curve, but you 
cannot question given the Island

982
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,500
of Misfit Toys roster that he 
ended up putting together and 

983
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:09,700
taking into this season. 
And just in terms of how the 

984
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,800
pieces didn't fit together, 
particularly, well, and you're 

985
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,800
starting multiple transfers, you
know, it was not a team that was

986
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,700
forged through iron and fire as 
a collective unit over the 

987
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:21,800
course of time. 
This was a group of Individual 

988
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,500
pieces, you know. 
And one of the things that I do 

989
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:28,700
think that you know, the true TV
crew did a decent job of was 

990
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:31,500
talking about how a lot of the 
players. 

991
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:34,300
One of the transfer when woods 
and first got there and he 

992
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:36,600
managed not just to get them to 
think of it themselves as a 

993
00:49:36,607 --> 00:49:39,400
collective unit. 
Then over the course of the 

994
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,800
Season, you've seen this team 
grow and change and start to 

995
00:49:42,808 --> 00:49:46,600
develop their own identity, 
which frankly never felt like 

996
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,300
they did under Archie Miller and
frankly at the end of the Korean

997
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:53,300
era, it was Hit or Miss in any 
given season whether his teams 

998
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:55,400
were going to actually want to 
play with one another. 

999
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,500
You know, I think in the last 
four years, the crane was here. 

1000
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,100
One of his team's look like they
wanted to play with one another 

1001
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,400
and even that team took halfway 
through the season before they 

1002
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,500
really got rolling. 
So, I really, really excited 

1003
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,300
that Woodson and his staff were 
able to do what they did. 

1004
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
And I'm really curious to see 
what they do moving forward 

1005
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,900
here, you know, what happens in 
this next game, I think sets the

1006
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,800
table for what happens 
afterwards and that is 

1007
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,800
Absolutely a good place to be if
you're Indiana basketball and I 

1008
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,100
think you hit it on the head. 
I'll end with this, you know, as

1009
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,500
you're saying that I'm thinking,
you know, that that was the 

1010
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:32,200
trouble under the Archie are as 
that, you know, we get to these 

1011
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,400
Big Ten tournament games. 
I got we got to win one game and

1012
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,000
said we were just kind of we 
were falling apart at the end 

1013
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,600
that seemed like at the end kind
of, you know, the cream prop, 

1014
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,700
you know, 2016 kind of 
notwithstanding but under 

1015
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,100
Korean, it's like that was the 
problem with that. 

1016
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,400
Number one ranked team is that 
they seem to kind of fizzle at 

1017
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,700
the end. 
This is the first time and you 

1018
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:50,900
know, maybe 2016. 
So first, you know second time. 

1019
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:54,400
I'm in 10-15 years. 
We have a team, we're playing 

1020
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,100
probably our best basketball at 
the end of the season and we 

1021
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:58,500
just haven't been able to say 
that a lot. 

1022
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:01,500
And this Wyoming game is not a 
great example, but it's a game 

1023
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:04,600
where you had some some 
problems, but you won the game 

1024
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,900
like you gritted through, you 
won the game, you know, Trace 

1025
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:08,800
Jackson Davis, like you 
mentioned is your best player. 

1026
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,300
He's playing his best right now 
at the end of the season, Xavier

1027
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:16,400
Johnson is, you know, outside 
of, you know, maybe not a great 

1028
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,900
efficiency game has played his 
best basketball last two or 

1029
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:20,700
three weeks. 
And so we're in a great spot and

1030
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:23,300
as you mentioned And on the one 
of the last pods, you know, with

1031
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,600
Wisconsin kind of using one 
tournament run to kind of kick 

1032
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,400
things off. 
And as I talked about, you know,

1033
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,700
even Woodson kind of say, you 
know, saved everything in a 30 

1034
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:35,600
hour, span your to spot here 
were two or three weeks could 

1035
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,500
really save. 
You could just put this whole 

1036
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,000
just everything on a different 
trajectory. 

1037
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,500
Like you win. 
One more game. 

1038
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,700
You beat st. 
Mary's and it's like, wow, but 

1039
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,200
you win two more games you get 
to this teams, like, randomly 

1040
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,900
the sweet 16, which is not 
illogical your this. 

1041
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,400
Season that the Paradigm 
completely changes. 

1042
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,100
So that that is what will leave 
with. 

1043
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,500
I think you have some noise 
issues going on over there. 

1044
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:01,400
So I'm gonna I'm gonna, I will 
let you hop back on and say 

1045
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,000
goodbye. 
Yeah. 

1046
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,600
Goodbye. 
We'll see what happens on. 

1047
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,900
Thursday is great to talk to. 
You sounds good. 

1048
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,900
Galen is with family in a small 
hotel room and it looks like 

1049
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,900
he's having a ready to have a 
fun day at a amusement park. 

1050
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,100
Maybe with somebody with ears. 
So anyway, we'll be back after 

1051
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:20,700
the game. 
I don't know. 

1052
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,200
It's I'll be back 12 minutes in 
the, you know, Peru somewhere 

1053
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,600
below will be, will come on 
sometime after the game. 

1054
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,700
Hopefully, it's a win after st. 
Mary's and we're looking either 

1055
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,700
UCLA or Akron I want. 
Thank you guys all for 

1056
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:33,700
listening, always appreciated. 
Let's go. 

1057
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,700
I you I will steal galen's line 
and bring back the Bison but 

1058
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,800
that is definitely galen's line,
but for everybody listening, 

1059
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,800
thank you so much and this is 
Scott for Crimson cast signing 

1060
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,100
off.