1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,680 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:22,000 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cascail 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,800 and Clavio. Scott Caulfield back again on 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,040 the airwaves. It is the 18th of February. 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,920 It's Sunday. We are in the aftermath of the 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Indiana loss at home to Northwestern. 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,120 It just ended, what, an hour ago Scott. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,280 Maybe slightly more than an hour ago. 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,080 I was at the game. Scott was not. 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,400 So I I have some observations from the game that we wanted to 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,360 get on on tape and Scott had some observations as well. 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,880 First of all, Scott, how you doing? 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,360 Good to see you. I'm. 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,520 Doing. I'm doing fantastic. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Good to see you. I was at the NBA All Star 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Saturday last night, which was, which was fun. 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,360 I've been watching that for years and it was, it was a good 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,320 time in in Lucas Oil. Although I will say if anybody 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,200 who's listening was there, I don't know what it was. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,120 You know, I've been to a humble brag. 21 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:12,960 I've been to a Final Four in Lucas Oil, had no problem 22 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,920 getting in and out. I had friends who went to the 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,520 Super Bowl. I did not go to the Super Bowl. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,640 But, you know, it was a great Everybody glowed about the 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,360 Indianapolis Super Bowl. It was a hot mess down there. 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Like they only had five or six places open to get in. 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,960 Everything else was blocked off. Like, it took us 35 minutes to 28 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,240 get in and we're all just like, hey, man, like you do Colts 29 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 games with 70,000 people and there's only 35,000 coming in 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,320 and then leaving. It's like they're funneling 31 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,600 everybody in these certain areas that you couldn't get out 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,680 either. And I realized, I think part of 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,680 it is like, just maybe the NBA took over. 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,240 It's like a celebrities and a lot of like, limbo anyway, But 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,400 it's like, dude, they have celebrities at the Super Bowl. 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,960 It was just it wasn't fantastically well run and from 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 at least my perspective and the way I tried to enter and it's 38 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,800 just it's a bummer because I know that normally Indianapolis 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,000 self you know, equips itself very well And the little things 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,920 like we're leaving, it's like we're like we're like, all right 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,800 we can hit the Convention Center because it's like 18° below all 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,520 the doors to the Convention Center are blocked off. 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,960 There's cops there like they're not letting people in there. 44 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,480 It's like hey this is this is a benefit the city has like you 45 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,840 have all this stuff connected like, but you can't let people 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,600 in. Anyway, just sorry, total rant. 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Off to the side here, but it's a fun event. 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,040 But it's just like I hate. As a citizen of Indianapolis, I 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,960 hate having our city not put its best foot forward in an event 50 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,680 like that. I mean, the weather didn't help 51 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,800 much last night, but yeah, I I hear you. 52 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,120 It's it's always tough and you never know. 53 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,400 There's always things going on that you don't know about behind 54 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,080 the scenes, you know, I mean, and look. 55 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,000 But you've had great experience with this, leaving IU, sporting 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,200 events over the years like you. You should be used to this by 57 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,840 now, right? That that's fair. 58 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,640 Being funneled all into the wrong area and being told no, 59 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:49,440 it's the it's the cop, it's the Bloomington police. 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:50,800 No, it's the IU police. No, I shouldn't. 61 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,000 And that's why I've stopped going to as many games. 62 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,520 I'm tired of dealing with the like I've got to like. 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,000 I now get the I've got to leave early because it's like it's not 64 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,160 my fault. It's the IU parking's fault 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 anyway. Anyway, before we get started, 66 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:03,880 just a couple of reminders folks. 67 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,440 We are brought to you branching. On the On the Yard podcast, 68 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,880 we'll go to. 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You were there. 122 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,680 I'm really curious your thoughts being there in person, seeing 123 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,120 this, this team. So I was first of all I wasn't 124 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,040 originally planning on going and I want to thank my friend Nicole 125 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,680 for she had an extra ticket and so I sat with her and her 126 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,360 parents and we we we took the game in. 127 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,160 This was this felt like a weirdly momentous game to be at 128 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,000 because the vibe was dead. Like from the outset. 129 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,040 It was just, and it was a shame. There was some nice intro 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,760 videos. There was one I hadn't seen 131 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,440 before that and then you have the regular intro video which is 132 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,000 outstanding. And then the game started and I 133 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,840 mean, we might as well have been, you know, like at A at A 134 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,080 at an Easter egg hunt where like all the kids are over on the one 135 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,880 side having fun. And the parents like, OK, when 136 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,960 is this getting over? I mean, it really felt like 137 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,040 there was no juice in the arena at all. 138 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,040 And you know, you can obviously you could blame, oh, we got too 139 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,640 many old people with, you know, that donate money and get good 140 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:57,760 seats. That wasn't the reason why. 141 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,760 I mean, the student section was pretty much packed. 142 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,480 You know, it's a afternoon game, so it was pretty full. 143 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,480 I mean, there were a few empty seats at the start of the game 144 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,080 in the corners, but it was a full arena full of people who 145 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,800 just looked like they were waiting for a reason to get 146 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,960 excited and they were never really given a reason to get 147 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,680 excited. And that carried throughout, you 148 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,840 know, Indiana, just there were individual moments where Indiana 149 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:30,600 looked pretty good, but that was very fleeting. 150 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,000 And for the majority of things, it just kind of felt like you 151 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,680 were waiting around for Northwestern to make a play that 152 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,920 would make you kind of shake your head and turn to the person 153 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 next to you and say what the hell is going on. 154 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,480 And that's kind of how most of the first half went. 155 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,640 And certainly in the second-half it got significantly worse. 156 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Indiana goes down 14. I had probably eight or nine 157 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,120 people text me or DM me and say, well, I turned the game off when 158 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,080 that happened. My father-in-law turned the game 159 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,440 off, I guess, when that happened. 160 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,880 Scott, this is fascinating in a way. 161 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,680 I've like, we've talked about this before. 162 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Some people. We heard a lot about that 163 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,800 podcast that we did last week in the aftermath of the loss at 164 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Purdue. Some people were like, right on 165 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,800 guys, thanks for like telling it like it is. 166 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,520 Other people were like, that was way too negative. 167 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,240 You know, that's that's way too much negativity. 168 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,840 And you know, we feel like you guys have jumped off the 169 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,400 bandwagon. It's fine. 170 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,240 You're allowed to interpret that however you want. 171 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,520 But this game to me, was to some degree a proof of concept of the 172 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,680 stuff that we were talking about last week. 173 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,559 This felt like a fan base that has kind of emotionally distance 174 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,919 itself from the program. I certainly felt that way, like 175 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,840 there was not a moment when I felt, like, compelled to get up 176 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,760 and yell. There were some moments I felt 177 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,160 compelled to cheer, but I never really got mad because I was. 178 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,520 Everything bad that happened to IU in this game kind of felt 179 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,240 like of course of course that happened. 180 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,640 Of course Northwestern had like their best offensive rebounding 181 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,040 game of the season. Of course there were wide open 3 182 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,560 point shooters that Northwestern was able to capitalize on and 183 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:07,920 hit shots, and of course Indiana was not able to do the same. 184 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Of course, one of Indiana's big players had a rough night. 185 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,920 Statistically, it just felt, the whole thing almost felt kind of 186 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,720 predetermined. From the moment that you 187 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,560 realized that Indiana was not going to come out like a house 188 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,360 on fire, from the moment you realized that Northwestern was 189 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:29,000 actually going to be in the game, it was very clear how 190 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,880 things were going to play out. And so I think the thing I took 191 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,520 away from it the most was just the apathy of the fans that were 192 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,000 in the stands and the lack of juice in the building as a whole 193 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:47,400 and how the the team did not seem to be particularly engaged 194 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,640 with the game at all. The coaching staff was kind of 195 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,960 engaged at times. And then there were times where, 196 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,960 I mean there was one point where there were four different people 197 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,760 shouting from the bench to the floor at one time, which is 198 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,600 probably, as one of our mutual friends said to me on text, 199 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,320 that's probably a bad sign when you got all four coaches up 200 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,840 screaming different things at different people that that might 201 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,600 be an indicator of issues. And and look, I mean some credit 202 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,720 I guess to Indiana for going on that run at the end and and 203 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,480 making it at least quasi exciting at the end. 204 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:26,280 But realistically it was a game without effort that felt like it 205 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,560 really added up to anything. And it this type of game, that 206 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,800 type of atmosphere, that connection that Assembly Hall 207 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,840 always has with the IU basketball team that felt 208 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,600 severed for the first time really all season. 209 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,400 And you and I have been watching this long enough to know that 210 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,360 when that happens, that is normally a really bad sign for 211 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,360 where things are going. Because that is hard to get 212 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,360 back. And this team does not look like 213 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,440 it has a spark or an idea about why things aren't working. 214 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,880 And that is a real if you're still invested in the team 215 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,360 enough to think what's going to happen the rest of the way, this 216 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,840 game is like a huge red flag, like this is a this is this is a 217 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,720 a red beacon flashing in the night with a klaxon going off 218 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,680 saying like trouble panic like this is when you really need to 219 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:18,760 get concerned. Anyway, those are my overall 220 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,600 thoughts. What are yours? 221 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Yeah, you hit on a lot of a lot of things there. 222 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,680 I mean, I agree with all of that. 223 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:29,680 You know, I, I'm where I'm, you know, for people who would say, 224 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,560 you know, we were too harsh last time, you know, I would say 225 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,840 enjoy that. If you want more anger, go back 226 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,160 and listen to that 'cause I'm feeling exactly the way that you 227 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,320 are, that I'm kind of just totally disconnected from this 228 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,120 team at this point. And you know, I'm not even sure 229 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,800 you know what's weird is like, I'm not even sure what's totally 230 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,560 wrong with this team. Like it's, you know. 231 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,560 I don't. I don't think they know. 232 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,880 No, yeah, I mean the the talent is there. 233 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,320 But, you know, I was, I was kind of, you know, my joke coming in 234 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,360 was like, all right, this, this definitely, you know, this is 235 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,200 kind of just like a forgotten game and a forgotten season. 236 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,240 And I was kind of looking back at, like, all right, you know, 237 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,480 let's look at one of Archie's years. 238 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,920 You know, like, let's look at like, you know, 2019, like, 239 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,520 let's find a game there. It's like, well, they lost at 240 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,800 home, you know, find a home loss against kind of a middling team. 241 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,880 It's like, well, they lost to Purdue at home. 242 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,360 They were ranked 5th and they only lost by 5. 243 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,280 And, like, they lost to Michigan State at home, but they were 244 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,520 ranked 6th and they lost by three. 245 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,680 It's like there really wasn't a loss like this in that year. 246 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,480 I mean, this is a season that is kind of going to be lost. 247 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,200 Like, maybe they make the NIT, maybe they don't. 248 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,880 You know, in five or seven years, this isn't a game we're 249 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,560 going to remember in a season. We're not going to remember. 250 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,440 Like to me this I was angry a couple weeks ago when there was 251 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,080 still some kind of light flickering. 252 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,080 There isn't light flickering now. 253 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,920 And where I get concerned is, you know, I, I just don't know 254 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,240 how we got here because I remember doing the season 255 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,520 preview with Alex Bozich looking at, you know all of the talent 256 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,040 we brought in in the offseason, which I've been harping on these 257 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,280 last couple of pods, you know, with Imbaco and with where you 258 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,680 get all of that talent coming in. 259 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,960 And then seeing, you know having at that time, you know, you had 260 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,560 a couple of five stars in the pipeline, but you had Mcneely I 261 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:07,000 think pretty well locked up at that point. 262 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,360 It's like all right I was like this is how I see our path 263 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,760 getting back to you know being a a power in the Big 10 and 264 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,480 nationally. And now we sit here where I I I 265 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,440 don't see it's not I don't see it being turned around this 266 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,400 season. But now I'm not even sure how 267 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,600 you turn it around next season because it's like you're 268 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,720 bringing in a five star. Well you brought a five star in 269 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,160 with Imbaca who had a slow start but he's starting to turn around 270 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,920 have like what, 20 points today. It's like things are working the 271 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,240 way they should. Like you know, where is exceeded 272 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,600 all expectations of what you've expected out of a player yet. 273 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,880 We're at this point, so I will take a step back. 274 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,200 I don't want to get too big picture too soon, but it's like 275 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,560 that's where I'm not even sure when I can reengage myself 276 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,120 because even if in the offseason if we get another guy in the 277 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,560 portal, it's like, all right, we did that this year. 278 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,200 Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm concerned with how apathetic I am with 279 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,360 watching this team with this game and then just kind of 280 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,120 seeing the reactions on, you know, as you and I both dive 281 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,400 deep into IU football and we kind of see the, you know, the, 282 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,520 the, the, the, the old Western town with like the the 283 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,000 tumbleweed flowing through, which is IU football Twitter at 284 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,560 times where it's just like the same five people hitting, 285 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,320 hitting that IUFB thread. You're starting to see it in 286 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,320 basketball where a lot of people are like, ah, this is what I, 287 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,720 you know, rinse, repeat and it's like that. 288 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,920 This is not a great place to be, and it's wild that like 289 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,240 literally five months ago, I was thinking we were on the path to 290 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:34,360 respectability again. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a very 291 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,920 odd circumstance. I mean, you had eight days to 292 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,920 prepare for this team and it's not. 293 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,000 I mean, it's a, it's an, it's. Six points in the 1st 5. 294 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Minutes. It's an OK Northwestern team. 295 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,360 They're not awful. They're not great. 296 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,760 They've won one game on the road in the Big 10 coming into this 297 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,880 game, and that was a four point win at Northwestern. 298 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Now they had been in. They've been closing some games 299 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:57,680 at. All right. 300 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,000 At. At Rutgers. 301 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,080 Yeah. At. 302 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,840 No. At whatever they were, they won. 303 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,240 At Penn State, that was the game I was trying to get to anyway. 304 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,040 But to have that much time for a team that just lost one of its 305 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,280 key players, you know, I mean that they lose Ty Berry, who was 306 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,080 probably their fourth most efficient player, you know, 307 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,560 played a lot was it was a key part of this three guard lineup 308 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,720 that they've been running. And yet, Northwestern just 309 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,120 looked more keyed in from the beginning. 310 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,560 And Northwestern, and this is a refrain we've had a lot this 311 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,560 season, Scott. They look like they knew what 312 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,520 they were supposed to do and Indiana didn't. 313 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,480 For large stretches of things, you can. 314 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Replace Northwestern with like almost any team we've played 315 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,120 this year, right? And, you know, you go through 316 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,080 the numbers. I mean, the thing that I found 317 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:51,040 fascinating about IU's overall situation in this one is that 318 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,040 the, you know, there's some aspects where IU actually played 319 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520 fine. They scored 106.4 points per 320 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,080 possession. I mean that's that's a lot 321 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,280 better than Indiana played against Purdue. 322 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,680 You know, it's a pretty good it's, you know, it's not the 323 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,080 best offensive performance, but they've certainly had much 324 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,040 worse. But the problem was they let 325 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Northwestern score 1.12 points per possession, which if you 326 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,200 went back and looked at the games that Northwestern's lost 327 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,480 on the road, their big problem has been they do not score 328 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,320 efficiently on the road. They've been sub one point per 329 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,560 possession in a lot of those games and yet Indiana couldn't 330 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,760 stop them. But but the way that Indiana 331 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,760 couldn't stop them, it was very much not what I would have 332 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,520 expected for a team that feels a 610 guy and a 7 foot guy, which 333 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,160 is that they just let Northwestern do whatever they 334 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,080 wanted on the offensive glass. Northwestern had 14 offensive 335 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,080 rebounds in this game. They had one more made two point 336 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,480 field goal. Then they had offensive rebounds 337 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,200 at 15, made field goals from 2 and 14 offensive rebounds and 338 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,720 what that led to. I mean, Northwestern only shot 339 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,120 36% from 2:00, but they shot 28 free throws and they made 22 of 340 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,560 them and a lot of that was off of rebounds that then they would 341 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,960 go back up and get fouled on. Indiana also only turned 342 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,480 Northwestern over three times the entire game, a turnover rate 343 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,599 defensively of 4%. So you basically taken a 344 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,800 Northwestern team that isn't having a great shooting. 345 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,680 Like they only hit 8 threes. They only shot 35% from three. 346 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,800 It wasn't like they were lights out from three and you just 347 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,560 essentially made it so that a, they didn't turn the ball over, 348 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,320 which meant they didn't lose a lot of possessions and they were 349 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,520 able to extend possessions because of all the offensive 350 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,760 rebounds they were getting, despite the fact that you had a 351 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,960 height advantage that was pretty significant, you know it during, 352 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,960 you know, at several of the positions. 353 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,320 It's just kind of wild to me that that ends up being the way 354 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Indiana loses this game is they were not able to stop 355 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:57,600 Northwestern until Malik Renew went out with that 5th foul and 356 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,600 all of a sudden Indiana style seemed to change and suddenly 357 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,160 they were a lot more aggressive and pressuring. 358 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,280 They were a lot more aggressive and going for boards. 359 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,360 It's almost like they lost their safety blanket with Renew going 360 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,960 out and suddenly everybody's like, oh, we got to play harder 361 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,640 and suddenly they started to come back. 362 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,680 And this is probably the biggest concern I have about this IU 363 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,760 team is that they don't seem to play that way all the time. 364 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,320 We see it in spurts. We saw it in the Ohio State game 365 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,920 on the road where it took them going down by a significant 366 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,200 margin for them to be like, wow, we got to really play hard and 367 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,720 boom, all of a sudden they came back and won the game. 368 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,560 They ran out of time in this one. 369 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,480 But I just, I look at the way that Indiana played throughout 370 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 the course of the game and and it's like you've not given 371 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,560 yourself the opportunity to put yourself in a position to win 372 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,120 because of how poorly you played and how poorly you executed for 373 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,680 the the other 35 minutes. And you know, this was always 374 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,160 the concern playing Northwestern because you know Northwestern is 375 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,240 not that talented. They're, you know, they're not 376 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,360 that good defensively, but they do know how to play ball 377 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,160 together. And this seemed like the type of 378 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,480 game that an Indiana team that has struggled to know what to do 379 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,760 on the floor for most of the season was going to struggle in. 380 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,160 Because Northwestern, if you can say whatever you want about 381 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,120 them, there's a lot of criticisms of Northwestern in 382 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,600 the way that they've played. But they do know what they're 383 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,360 doing on most possessions, and if you let them do it, they'll 384 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,800 do it. What's really frustrating about 385 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,720 this, and this may not be the best analogy or the best comps, 386 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,160 so please correct me if I'm wrong. 387 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,040 But like you look at a team like Virginia that plays a very slow 388 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,200 tempo, that doesn't shoot the three very well, doesn't 389 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,560 offensively rebound very well. But they do one thing fantastic 390 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,920 and they are like killer on defense and they they have a 391 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,440 fourth in the country turnover rate percentage. 392 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,400 Like they get teams to turn the ball over and you know, they're, 393 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,040 they're not shooting a ton of threes, like they're kind of 394 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,720 similar in profile to us, but they do one thing really well, 395 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,920 which is defence. They turn other teams over. 396 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:04,080 What's really frustrating with this style of play is you know 397 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:07,480 if, if this is what Woodson wants to do, this kind of mid 398 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,320 level tempo, not a lot of threes pump the ball inside. 399 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,280 As you and I have both said, you know you're going to have to 400 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,560 create some turnovers, but you're going to have to control 401 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,520 the glass and you're going to have to probably hit more free 402 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,280 throws than you do. The frustrating thing is like 403 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,000 rebounding is all about preparation, practice and 404 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,360 effort. It's just being in the right 405 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:29,320 place and having the effort to go for the ball and free throw 406 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,400 is just it's a lot mental and it's a lot of practice and we're 407 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,480 we're just not getting it done in those areas. 408 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,960 And if you're going to play this style and not shoot a lot of 409 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,640 threes, you have to be unbelievably efficient on 410 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,800 offense and you have to do the rebounding in the free throws. 411 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,400 And it's just frustrating because it's effort and practice 412 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,080 like that's all it is. And yet Woodson continues to 413 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,320 talk about how we have to get this right and kind of you know 414 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,200 talking about players this and that's like then get it right, 415 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,840 like then get guys to to hustle and then or put somebody else 416 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:58,920 in. Like I I know it's always like 417 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,000 the the guy on the bench. But like at some point you've 418 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,440 got to do something else or you've got to change it up or 419 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,680 you've got to change the way you're playing or realize like 420 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,600 hey this team isn't a hustle hard, you know playing team. 421 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,880 We had those like Green had those teams. 422 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,080 Like they didn't play super hard, but they would just shoot 423 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,520 the lights out And then you'd have games where you know 424 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Devante Green would go nuts. It's like, all right, you know 425 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,720 you can have a path to victory that way. 426 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,000 It's like giving yourself like you know as many and like you 427 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,400 know like poker, like how many outs do you have with this hand. 428 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,040 We continually get in these spots where we have no outs and 429 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,160 that's that's the really frustrating part is I mean this 430 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,760 just to me it always continues to go back to the scheme and the 431 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,840 coaching because the things that we have to do to win games are 432 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,560 about practice effort and the players knowing what to do and 433 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,120 do you know, having things that they've done. 434 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,000 And I'm not even saying it's all effort. 435 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,160 You know a lot of times rebounding I'm I'm this is 436 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,560 somebody to talk about assembly calls listening a little bit the 437 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,880 post game before there's something Ryan was talking about 438 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,240 that you know rebounding isn't just effort it's like something 439 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,680 you just got to you practice like you just you practice and 440 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,680 you work on rebounding and just getting used to doing that and 441 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,480 it just looks like we're not doing that. 442 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,920 And you know if if Woodson wants to say they're doing like great, 443 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,240 well then you're doing a really bad job of coaching it because 444 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,880 we suck at this and this is the most if you're going to play 445 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,240 this style of basketball, this is the most important thing. 446 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,600 But it again, I don't want to get this worked up because it 447 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,080 doesn't seem like anybody cares. It's like because no one's 448 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,680 getting it done. Watching the team again in 449 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,400 person today, everything you say, I think there's some truth 450 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080 to, but I think there's a more fundamental issue at play. 451 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,240 There just does not seem to be any team cohesion and there 452 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,120 doesn't seem to be a lot of belief on the part of the 453 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,120 players about what they're doing and how they're doing it. 454 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,120 And that's a hard thing to quantify. 455 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,680 I mean, it's not really something that's tangible in the 456 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,320 traditional sense. Why's that, Right? 457 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,520 Yeah. It's not the luck statistic, no. 458 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,200 One point O 4 belief per possession. 459 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,720 But you know but there's there's just it is so easy to knock this 460 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,120 team out of what they're doing especially defensively. 461 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,400 You know and I've been harping on the defense all season 462 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,680 because to me I mean the offense isn't great but the offense can 463 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,240 win you games. But the defense has not given 464 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,240 the offense the opportunity to win games over the course of 465 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,960 this season And that that is a bit of a concern obviously. 466 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,440 But the defense is largely tied to effort and attention and and 467 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,200 what is being done and how much communication there is and who's 468 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,440 supposed to be where And, you know, how how players rotate, 469 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,480 how they're reacting to things. That is what is missing to me 470 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,640 when I watch this team play basketball. 471 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,520 And you know, what's interesting is that you've seen a 472 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,160 significant shortening of the bench. 473 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960 Yeah. I mean, they, they really only 474 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,520 played seven players for any length of time in this game. 475 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,600 And that was really only because foul trouble, you know, caused 476 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,600 Renew to have to come off the floor and then and then Cups was 477 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,400 in foul trouble on and off and eventually fouled out. 478 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,120 But the there's just not much of A center to this team in terms 479 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,640 of its emotion, in terms of its focus. 480 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:14,080 And even when things are going well, rarely do you see things 481 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,760 continue to go well with this team. 482 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,880 That's what made that win at Ohio State such a shock was 483 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,720 because normally in that situation the team goes the 484 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,560 opposite direction. And fortunately, I think they 485 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,240 just played a team that, as we saw, was about to get their 486 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760 coach fired, you know, in Ohio State. 487 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,120 But when this team comes up against a team like 488 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:39,120 Northwestern, who isn't overly physical, they didn't even get 489 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,840 that great of a game out of Boo Booey tonight. 490 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 I mean he was sub one point per possession. 491 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,160 He he was one for 8 from 2. You know, like you would expect 492 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Boo Booey to be the guy that kills you. 493 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,040 But no, Instead it was Ryan Langborg, the guy who 494 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,840 transferred in from Princeton, who is clearly dangerous. 495 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,360 Like, if you've watched any of Northwestern's games this 496 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,800 season, he can go off and hit four or five threes, which is 497 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,680 exactly what he did. But it wasn't just that. 498 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,240 It was, you know, Northwestern was was constantly carving open 499 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,840 Indiana's defense, either with drives or with passes. 500 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,720 Indiana was constantly late rotating, you know, or they were 501 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,920 rotating the wrong direction. It was just kind of fascinating 502 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,360 in person, watching Indiana struggle so much with a lot of 503 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,440 those basics. And it was, it was really 504 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,840 depressing because the other effort and belief area is 505 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,400 rebounding and to see Martinelli get 13 rebounds, to see Matthew 506 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Nicholson get 16 rebounds in this game and to keep 507 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,200 possessions alive and just kind of stymie Indiana from what they 508 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,760 were doing. And then on the other end, 509 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,080 Indiana not really being able to get into the offensive flow that 510 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,320 they wanted on most possessions, I just, I keep coming back to 511 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,760 when I watch this team play. Fundamentally, they don't look 512 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,440 like they either look like they don't know what they're supposed 513 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,840 to do or they don't believe in what they're doing, and they 514 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,560 don't necessarily completely trust the people that they're 515 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,520 playing with or the system that they're playing in. 516 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,960 And I'd love to come to some kind of a different conclusion. 517 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,440 But more often than not, as we've looked, you know, Indiana 518 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,800 now has lost six of their last eight, you know, and you go back 519 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,720 to, and even really if you want to extend it, they've lost seven 520 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360 of their last nine I think it is. 521 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Or maybe it's seven of their last ten, maybe seven of their 522 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,520 last ten. Starting with that Rutgers game, 523 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,320 they've really struggled, even in the wins. 524 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,200 I mean the wins there. They had a 12 point win against 525 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,720 Minnesota, which was pretty close in the in the second-half. 526 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,840 They had the Iowa win that they almost gave away and they had 527 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,520 the Ohio State game they had to come back from. 528 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:47,920 Literally. I mean, two of those three could 529 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,320 have been losses. And it's the same thing over and 530 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,960 over again, where fundamentally Indiana struggles with the 531 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,840 execution of the basics of whatever the system's going to 532 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,360 be. And they also seem to struggle 533 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,120 in the areas where, as you said, it's just practice. 534 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:07,040 I mean, again, for Indiana to lose a game by 4 and miss 9 free 535 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,120 throws in the game is it's like, well, like this has been a 536 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,440 problem all season. How many games have we talked 537 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,800 about that where it's like, well, look at the margin of law, 538 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,120 so Oh well, look at the free throws that Indiana missed. 539 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600 And yet you get guys walking to the free throw line. 540 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,560 And I mean, even Mackenzie and Bacco, who was one of the best 541 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,960 shooting free throw shooters, at least among new players in the 542 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,880 country earlier in the season, he was 5 for 8:00 today. 543 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,400 I mean that's he makes all three of those that he missed. 544 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080 It's a one point game at the end, not, not what it ended up 545 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,040 being. So I don't know, Scott. 546 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,800 I mean, it goes back to to what you said earlier about this idea 547 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,080 of, you know, what is, what is the foundation, what is the 548 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,440 structure of where the program's at right now. 549 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,960 And This is why I guess we perhaps got so pessimistic on 550 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,240 the last podcast that you and I did together. 551 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,280 Because when I see that kind of performance on a Sunday packed 552 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000 house, you got a crowd waiting for some reason to get excited 553 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,520 and you just, you can't. It's not even that you can't get 554 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,840 it done. Like you don't even come close 555 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,960 to getting it done. And you can't really even take 556 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,840 the last couple of minutes that seriously because that was just 557 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,960 not representative of how the rest of the game went. 558 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,080 It really does make me wonder, like what went so wrong that, 559 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,920 you know, last year Indiana was in these positions and they 560 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600 figured out how to win these games more often than not. 561 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,400 This year the exact opposite is happening and it's really 562 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,160 jarring to watch given, as you said, there's plenty of talent 563 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,240 out there. It's not like it's not like it's 564 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,560 a a team that is bereft of talent and and struggling, but 565 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,640 the talent isn't performing and that is cognitively hard to get 566 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,360 your head around. Yeah, I mean, yes to all of 567 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,040 that. And like, I don't, I I mean, I 568 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,800 I, I hope it turns around. I always joke hope is not a 569 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,440 plan. But like, I don't. 570 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,720 I don't know. I don't know how it turns around 571 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,160 at this point because now it starts coming fast and furious. 572 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,040 Like you, you don't have a week off anymore. 573 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,680 The games start happening. You have, oh, you only have 574 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,640 three more home games. They're against, you know, 575 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Wisconsin and Michigan State, who are markedly better than 576 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200 this Northwestern team. The other one is happening in, 577 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,160 what, 3 days? And it's against Nebraska, who's 578 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920 also statistically better than this Northwestern team. 579 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,320 And then the rest of them are on the road, not as great of teams 580 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,840 you're playing, but those are all Rd. games. 581 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,320 And you know, well, they they've all got something to play for. 582 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,760 I mean, most of them do. I mean, you know, Nebraska's 583 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,000 literally. I mean, they're in the thick of 584 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800 playing for an NCAA tournament bid. 585 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,480 You know, I mean, Penn State isn't, and that's going to be an 586 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,200 interesting one. But Penn State seems to be 587 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,200 playing for, like, building a foundation. 588 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,240 Wisconsin. Wisconsin might be the easiest 589 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,560 game left on the schedule given the way that they're playing 590 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,480 these days, but it's hard to envision Indiana turning it 591 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,080 around and, you know, being 13 points better or more than they 592 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,160 were when they played at Wisconsin a month ago. 593 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760 So yeah, it's. It's, I can't get that. 594 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 I mean, we'll still do this. It's just like I can't get that 595 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840 invested in the team that is like going to, you know, kind of 596 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,160 going through the motions themselves. 597 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,800 And the team is going to probably be in, you know, 598 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,040 fighting to get the NIT. And like and to your point about 599 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,600 building a foundation is like, all right, what are we building? 600 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,000 Because, you know, there is a, you know, you and I are getting 601 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 older, unfortunately. But it's like every year I can't 602 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,240 continue to buy. And it's like, all right, we'll 603 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,080 meet Liam Mcneely. He's the solution. 604 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040 It's like, all right, I mean he's a five star. 605 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360 Mackenzie and Bako was a five. I know they're different, but 606 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,240 it's like Khalil Ware was a five strike. 607 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,280 We're getting talented guys in here. 608 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,240 It's not working. It can't just be. 609 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,320 Every year this feels like a, you know, a Ponzi scheme where 610 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,560 it's just like every year it's like, oh, no, no, wait, next 611 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,640 year. That's the five star guy. 612 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,880 That. That's the one we got to do. 613 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,720 By the way. Keep your varsity club 614 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,400 membership up. Oh, and by the way, we got to 615 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,360 fund nil. Like, at some point it's like, 616 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,440 hey, at some point this needs to turn around. 617 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,400 I know it's it's just one year. It's a bad season. 618 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,040 But you know that that's where I'm at. 619 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,600 I do have one other I have a very large take on the apathy I 620 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,040 want to get to, but I don't want to take us. 621 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,000 Too far off right now. Well and and I'll say this, I 622 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,240 mean I think it's I I know you're kind of focused on the 623 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,920 the broader picture and and rightfully so. 624 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,920 No, I mean I think it's worth mentioning but I think the thing 625 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,720 that's most disheartening to me right now is it's not just that 626 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,840 the players don't seem to grasp what's going on, what I hear out 627 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,080 of Woodson's mouth and I just have to start taking it to face 628 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,000 value. It does not appear that Woodson 629 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,960 seems to understand why his team isn't playing better and why 630 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,560 they're not winning games. I mean his comments at the after 631 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,840 today, I don't think he should have criticized Malik. 632 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,240 Renew. Renew didn't have a great game. 633 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,040 But why? Why do that? 634 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,920 Like why? Why Why say, well you know Renew 635 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,400 sucked postgame. It it serves no purpose and it 636 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,440 kind of misses the larger point which is that OK, he didn't have 637 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,560 his best game. Other people were stepping up. 638 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,320 Was he the reason Indiana lost. I think that that's pretty harsh 639 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,840 if if that's what you're arguing. 640 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480 But the rest of the comments I mean you know the comment like, 641 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,280 well I haven't gotten a full 40 minutes yet. 642 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Like what does that mean? Like your your team hasn't 643 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,280 played a full 40 minutes. Well, you're the coach. 644 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,080 Why don't you tell us why you you haven't gotten a full 40 645 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,840 minutes. You know he talked in the post 646 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720 game about all these open shots that Indiana supposedly didn't 647 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,160 miss. I was at the game Scott. 648 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,080 I I I know you were watching on TV. 649 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,640 Maybe you had a a better angle than I did. 650 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,240 I didn't see this, this, the plethora of open shots that 651 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,880 Indiana missed, like, it just feels. 652 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,920 And look, I postgame comments, in the heat of the moment, there 653 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,480 aren't always the clearest, but we hear Mutson talk on his radio 654 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760 show. We hear him in the postgame, We 655 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,600 hear him in availability. It does not feel like his words 656 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200 indicate that he fundamentally understands why his team isn't 657 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,520 playing well. And that to me, of all the 658 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,240 things that combined with the fact that the players just don't 659 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,000 seem to have a lot of cohesion, is really, really concerning. 660 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400 And there doesn't appear to be an easy answer for any of those 661 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,160 things. I'll even take it a step 662 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,400 further. It's not even just his post game 663 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,160 comments. It's like the the the team 664 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,640 doesn't seem to change. Like he's saying these things of 665 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400 like you know we'll hit a have one game, you hit you know 7 or 666 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,560 10, three. He's like hey, we got to start 667 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,760 doing more of that and we just don't. 668 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,600 And it's not even it's like you watch the guys like they are 669 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,120 just not like they they look like they're being trained to 670 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,760 pass it off. You know, CJ Gunn has a good 671 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,080 game. I'm not saying CJ Gunn is the 672 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760 answer, but like he has a good game against Purdue for CJ Gunn 673 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840 standards. Woodson says some nice things 674 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,680 about him and then he plays 12. You know what, 10 minutes or 12 675 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,440 minutes against Northwestern today and like has has two shots 676 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,320 and it's like, all right, like, yeah, I mean, the players have 677 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,720 to take the shots, but it's like if if you liked what you saw. 678 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,760 And by the way, we're building a foundation. 679 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,600 Young players are going to be part of that, like maybe run 680 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200 some sets to get CJ Gunn some open shots. 681 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,920 Like, you're a coach, you can do that. 682 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,000 Like, if again, you're building a foundation, Malik Renew is one 683 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,360 of the best examples you have of a talented player getting better 684 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,280 this season. Maybe don't rip them. 685 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,680 Like, see the forest for the trees. 686 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200 Like, hey, this season's gone. Like, I don't need to start 687 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,080 firebombing my players right now. 688 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,120 Like, I'll take the heat, I'll take it and build a culture for 689 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,040 that. Like, I'm I'm 100% with you. 690 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,520 But it's like on the court. You don't see things change and 691 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,920 you hear him talk about things and it doesn't change on the 692 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,080 court. Yeah, Well, and and this even 693 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560 goes back to that Purdue game where it just kind of feels like 694 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:22,440 fundamentally there's there's things you can say and do as a 695 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,719 coach to indicate to the fans, Look, this isn't acceptable, 696 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,040 right? And I think when your team is 14 697 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,800 and 11 and six and eight in the conference and has just lost a 698 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,440 home game to Northwestern. A, a friend of ours had a a 699 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,639 great stat like this is the fourth straight loss that 700 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,320 Indiana suffered in Northwestern. 701 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,480 And between 1971 and 2002, Indiana only lost in 702 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,159 Northwestern 3 total times. I think. 703 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,120 I think that was the statistic. I mean that's there's some 704 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,200 gravity here, historical gravity to losing another game on your 705 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,360 home floor to Northwestern. And yes, Northwestern is better 706 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,600 than they were in the 20th century. 707 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,720 But this illustrates why people are getting so upset. 708 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,800 Because you're supposed to be Indiana, right? 709 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,840 It's Indiana and yet you're you've lost four games in a row 710 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,800 to Northwestern, who is Northwestern, and to not 711 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600 acknowledge, like that's a real problem, to just kind of treat 712 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,920 it like it's another game. This comes back to this 713 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,880 mentality issue that we've talked about and it's it is kind 714 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,520 of an NBA mentality in terms of well, OK, we're on to the next 715 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,040 one because there's 82 games where you've only got 31 games 716 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,800 In the regular season. They all matter. 717 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,960 And in a conference set up like this, they matter a lot. 718 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,800 And this was a game you absolutely could not afford to 719 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,840 lose. And to lose it in a style where 720 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,720 you were down 16 points with 6 1/2 minutes left in the game and 721 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,480 your team looked completely lifeless. 722 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,280 And it took your best player fouling out To change your 723 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,880 system to the point where your players looked free enough And 724 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,200 what they were doing on both ends of the floor to actually 725 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,440 kind of make a game of it. And then to come out and say, 726 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,280 well, we lost because our best players sucked and we didn't hit 727 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200 our open shots. It's like that does not appear 728 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,040 to be a great level of recognition of what the hell 729 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,840 just went on in the basketball game. 730 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560 And that's what I have felt through most of these games in 731 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,480 this last 10, where I I want to believe that Mike Woodson has a 732 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,880 firm grasp on what's going on with this team and knows how to 733 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,360 fix it. Yet the words that are spoken do 734 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,480 not seem to indicate that Scott and that is both sad and 735 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,560 concerning. I'm going to take, so you were 736 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,920 talking about the kind of the gravity of losing Northwestern 737 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,640 this many times. I'm just going to take this 738 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,120 because I was thinking about that. 739 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,400 And this is what I thought about after the game is like, you 740 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,080 know, we are fans and most people, they know this is an IU 741 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,480 basketball thing. But like, we are fans of IU. 742 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,920 And, you know, there was always kind of that joke that we'd suck 743 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440 in footballs, we'll get you in basketball, you know? 744 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520 And I was thinking like, well, damn it, like Northwestern's had 745 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440 a couple of successes in football, Like like they're 746 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,800 better. Anyway, I just, I came up with 747 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,080 this, so bear with me. But this is like to your point 748 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,960 of where we stand in the Big 10 when you look at the the entire 749 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,640 football and basketball programs of Big 10 teams and and where we 750 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,120 are. And this is part of the apathy 751 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,880 and I think why people are starting to check out across the 752 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,640 board, sadly, myself included, I'm just going to go for like 753 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,640 what are really good seasons. So it's a very last since since 754 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,120 the year 2000. So I'm just going to we're going 755 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,640 to go in order as I found all right football and basketball. 756 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,040 I'll be real quick with this. I like I love it when Scott does 757 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,120 original research and doesn't tell me go ahead please. 758 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,640 Sorry. Well no. 759 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,760 I mean it's it's Michigan won a just won a football title 760 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,240 they've been to a Final four. They've had three Big 10 titles 761 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,840 in basketball. Ohio State won the 2014 football 762 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,880 championship 2012. Final Four has five Big 10 763 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,480 basketball titles. Michigan State has been to the 764 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,120 Big 10 bat football title game three times. 765 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,240 Bunch of Final Fours. Haven't counted up 8 Big 10 766 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,840 titles since 2000. All right, we're going down a 767 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,920 little bit. Wisconsin has two Big 10 titles 768 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,360 in football, 6 total Big 10 title games, two final. 769 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000 A couple Final Fours. They've been to a bunch. 770 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,560 Purdue went to the 2022 Big 10 football title. 771 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,440 Again. That would have been a great 772 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,600 year for us. They've had five bowl wins since 773 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,280 the turn of the century. They went to the 2019 Elite 8, 774 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,800 and they've had four Big 10 titles. 775 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,440 We get to Illinois, They've had two bowl wins in basketball. 776 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,200 They went to the 2005 final game, five Big 10 titles, Penn 777 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,320 State. They're ahead of us. 778 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,880 A Big 10 football title, 8 bowl wins, nothing in basketball. 779 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,560 So it's like they're doing it all on one side. 780 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,040 Maryland 5 bowl wins, three of them in the Big 10. 781 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,760 Went to a 2002 NCAA title game and beat somebody. 782 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,640 I forget who will do a little research on that. 783 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,200 Sorry, forgive me. I'm going. 784 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560 Minnesota. 10 bowl wins. Nothing in basketball. 785 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,400 They've had 10 bowl. Any one of those in a great 786 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,440 season. Northwestern, our team, we just 787 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,280 lost to six bowl wins, two Big 10 title games. 788 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,000 Nothing in basketball. Nebraska 6 bowl wins. 789 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,760 We think Nebraska sucks. 6 bowl wins. 790 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,040 The 2012 Big 10 title game. That'd be awesome. 791 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000 Nothing in basketball. Iowa is above us. 792 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,720 They've been the two Big 10 title games and 10 bowl wins. 793 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640 And then we get to Rutgers. They've had seven bowl wins, two 794 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,000 of which they've gotten in the Big 10. 795 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,920 Nothing in basketball. What Indiana 0 bowl wins? 796 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,960 Zero Big 10 title games, one Final Four and three Big 10 797 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,240 titles. But that's it. 798 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,520 And I know, I know they're two separate sports. 799 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,760 But like all of this stuff does matter, goes to like, you know 800 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,560 that the XS and Joe's pod, like this stuff starts to pile up. 801 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,280 Like the the the pod you have with Osterman, where like every 802 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480 coaching failure before, that's the next coach. 803 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,640 Like I started thinking about how like football and 804 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640 basketball, these things merge together to like there's only so 805 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,920 many years as a fan of a university in these two sports, 806 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,680 you can just continue to get kicked in the balls and watch 807 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,080 every other team in the Big 10 have some level of success. 808 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,400 It's. It. 809 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,680 Really, it's it's frustrating. I get pissed and then I get to a 810 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,360 point where I'm kind of just like, I just want to check out. 811 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680 Like, I just want to check out and you tell me when we're good 812 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000 again. And then even in, like again, 813 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,640 this combined universe of football and basketball. 814 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,960 It's like even when we're good, we have the one year we're good 815 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,480 in football. It's like the rug immediately 816 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,880 gets pulled out and now it's like, I'm feeling like that 817 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,680 here. It's like last year was a fairly 818 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160 good year. It hit a dead end in the 819 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,720 tournament and now it's like the rug is completely, completely 820 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,840 pulled out. I mean, I'll put what you all 821 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,160 just said there in a slightly different context. 822 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,920 I think it's IU fans are among the most loyal. 823 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,000 I know many, some of you in the audience don't believe this, but 824 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,520 they're they're the among the most loyal. 825 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,520 They traveled among the best. There's a real school spirit 826 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,040 that is broad based throughout much of the alumni and students 827 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,160 that make up Indiana and it really does feel like there just 828 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,200 hasn't been a lot of success to celebrate. 829 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,680 You know you still, I mean we saw we've we've seen IU fans at 830 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,920 all the places we've traveled over the course of the last 831 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,960 several years, whether it's bowl games, whether it's you know, 832 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,880 basketball related items and there's just been very little to 833 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,360 get excited about. And you know, look I think 834 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,040 ultimately they're two separate problems. 835 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,280 They're two separate programs and and yet the collective 836 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,480 identity of being an IU fan perversely kind of feels like 837 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,320 right now it's it's among the least rewarding times, not just 838 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,720 because of the lack of success of the two programs in the last 839 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:21,680 couple of years. I mean, it's a relative. 840 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,480 I mean, last year was again, it was a nice season for Indiana 841 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,400 basketball on the men's side, but it wasn't like you won't 842 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,840 look back at that season 10 years from now and say, wow, 843 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,560 that was a breakthrough year. It was only nice within the 844 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,840 context of the lack of success that has surrounded it. 845 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,040 And I think this is ultimately for me, why the football season 846 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,520 was so disappointing and why the basketball season is be has 847 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,280 become so disappointing. Because in football, as you 848 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,760 said, you have the 2019 and 2020 seasons, you have this big 849 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,080 emotional high and it feels like, oh, something's been 850 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,400 built. And then you realize quickly 851 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,760 nothing was built or what was built was quickly dismantled or 852 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,840 rotted away and what was left was a team that couldn't compete 853 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,800 against the other teams in the conference. 854 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480 And so you're watching everybody else get better while Indiana's 855 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,040 getting worse. That's what's happening right 856 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,400 now in basketball. You go down the list. 857 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,600 I mean, Indiana was a was a one point underdog on Ken Palm 858 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,960 today. They were I think A2 or 2 1/2 859 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000 point favorite in Vegas. And I think that was largely 860 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,120 Vegas reacting to the Tiberi injury as opposed to the actual 861 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,640 numbers because I think they were also an underdog on Torvik. 862 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040 But you look at the numbers right now and and statistically 863 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,560 speaking, if you look at Ken Palm, Indiana is the second 864 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,320 worst team in the conference, Michigan's worst, Indiana's 865 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,280 second worst, and then it's Penn State. 866 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,640 Those are the only three teams that are lower than 77, which is 867 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,600 where Rutgers is at right now in Ken Palm. 868 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,160 And while Indiana has, you know they'd won some games early on, 869 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,480 it kind of feels like that's coming around. 870 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,160 They've got multiple Rd. games coming up left to go. 871 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,800 They still have a really good chance at finishing in the 872 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,000 bottom for the conference down with Michigan who's who should 873 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,720 fire their coach at the end of the year. 874 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,920 If they if you know that they they may not. 875 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,080 Because Michigan's weird. Ohio State who just did fire 876 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,760 their coach. Penn State who just lost their 877 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,480 coach and their best player and is having to rebuild essentially 878 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,600 from scratch with the guy that they had to hire at the back end 879 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,760 of the hiring cycle and Maryland who has no explanation 880 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,600 whatsoever. I'm not even sure how to how to 881 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,760 parse Maryland out but that's the company that Indiana is in. 882 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,040 Oh, and and Rutgers, who's got an offense that looks like it 883 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,200 was like, if this was a if this was an ancient army, this would 884 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640 be the army that doesn't show up with swords instead of like 885 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,680 shows up with stones that they throw at you. 886 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,400 Like that's that's where Rutgers is at. 887 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,640 Offensively, That's terrible company to be it. 888 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,320 By 9 too, don't forget that. Right. 889 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,080 Yeah, exactly. They they already beat Indiana 890 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,200 handily. So my point is to watch I I 891 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,080 think the frustration from you and from others and I I 892 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,800 certainly feel it as well. Yes, I I I'm appreciative of 893 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,000 what Mike Woodson and his staff did the first two years they 894 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,040 they got Indiana to the tournament they got Indiana to 895 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,360 the second round of the tournament. 896 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,920 These seem like small things certainly things that should be 897 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,680 beneath a program of the the supposed stature of Indiana 898 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,960 basketball. But that's that's how things go. 899 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,080 And then the turn around and have it just dissolve this 900 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,920 quickly and look this bad. And. 901 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,440 And when you're losing home games to Penn State and Michigan 902 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,800 and Northwestern in the same season, within a few weeks of 903 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,520 each other at a critical time of the season where you need those 904 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,080 wins to get to some kind of postseason. 905 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,840 It just kind of feels to borrow what our friend Jared tweeted 906 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,840 out earlier. It, you know, it doesn't feel 907 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,520 like Indiana basketball, at least not what we've been told 908 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,640 Indiana basketball is supposed to feel like. 909 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,720 It just feels like a program that's going through the motions 910 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,560 right now, which I wouldn't have predicted at the end of last 911 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,400 season because it felt like it was on the track and it does not 912 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560 appear to be anymore. And this is, I'm stealing your 913 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,040 own point, but it's like this was kind of that that was always 914 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,320 the thing with, you know, bringing back a Night Guy is, 915 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,680 you know, that, you know, part of what made Indy obviously what 916 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,840 it made Indiana basketball was Bob Knight and the culture that 917 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,840 he created. So the idea with bringing back a 918 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,520 Night Guy is like, all right, this is somebody who's going to 919 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,240 bring that culture. And like that's going to be, you 920 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,640 know, the the ethic and the feel like the things that are 921 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,920 important. And like, you know, we got to 922 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,000 protect Assembly Hall. And like, we're going to play 923 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,920 with pride and we're going to play tough and we're going to 924 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,280 play smart basketball. That was Indiana basketball. 925 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,840 None of that's here. So it's like that was the whole, 926 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,680 like that's the whole point you bring back at night guys. 927 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,280 Not just because he played for Knights because he he can 928 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,080 instill some of that those threads from that time to here. 929 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,280 And as you said many time like this is just losing to Penn 930 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,080 State at home, losing Northwest. This is just what a normal bad 931 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,080 Big 10 program does. There's there's nothing unique 932 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,760 about this. And I'm not saying that he's got 933 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,640 to turn it around and turn us into a, you know, Final Four 934 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,200 caliber team. Every Knight had some bad years 935 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,080 too but he quickly turned it around and and solved it and but 936 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,480 that, that's me is the really frustrating part is there 937 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,640 doesn't seem to be any of the threads of the the basketball 938 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,480 teams under Bob Knight that I watched growing up in this team 939 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,440 this year. Well look and and it's 940 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,040 interesting you bring that up. I mean because one of the big 941 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,720 criticisms, a fair one I think for the the ending Years of the 942 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:31,720 Night era was that there was a lack of joy among the players in 943 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,680 the way that they played. Now that came back a little bit 944 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,200 at the very end and I and I always maintain that like what 945 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,880 made me so optimistic that last year that night was there was 946 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,680 that that team actually was they look like they had fun playing 947 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,920 together. They look like they knew what 948 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,120 they were doing and then of course it well we saw what 949 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,360 happened after that. But the that is when I think 950 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,920 about this, what worries me so much is like, you know, with 951 00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,440 Woodson coming back obviously in the off season, what's the 952 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,240 argument? Is the argument that this was 953 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,360 just a bad like combination of players and OK, we got to get 954 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,520 new players in to fix that and they have to be different from a 955 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,920 constitution perspective, like they have to have some kind of a 956 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,360 different, you know, motor. That seems kind of harsh. 957 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,000 But if that's the answer, OK, fine. 958 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,280 But what was, what went so wrong this year? 959 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,800 Why was why was this such a situation that, you know it just 960 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840 it just couldn't work and we couldn't fix it and it and what 961 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,600 worries me I guess is that a lot of what you're going to be able 962 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,520 to do in the off season is going to be predicated on OK, how do 963 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,080 people outside the program feel about coming and playing for 964 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,160 Indiana and stepping into this situation? 965 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:53,760 And the issue right now is we've only got 1 recruit signed. 966 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,240 You're not going to sign another recruit unless you do a snipe of 967 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,600 a player that's intended to go elsewhere, which you've had it. 968 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,080 You've had some mixed luck with that in terms of those players 969 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,520 coming in and there's been variety of reasons for that. 970 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,280 But at the end of the day doesn't matter, like you have to 971 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,200 have players perform everything, can't be a special circumstance. 972 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,600 Transfers are probably looking at this and saying that doesn't 973 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,120 look like a fun program to play for that. 974 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,440 You know that the the looks on the bench from the assistant 975 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,960 coaches and from the players, like everybody looked bummed, 976 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,360 everybody looked disengaged. And yes, you're going to get 977 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,080 that when you are losing at home. 978 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,160 But it's looked like that a bunch throughout the course of 979 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,440 the season. You know it and and then you 980 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:38,080 look at the actual play and every time we've talked about 981 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,760 this before, every time something seems to get fixed and 982 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,880 air quote something else breaks. And I just wonder as I said on 983 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,880 the last show, what's the attraction to coming to play for 984 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,840 Indiana going into next year with this being the last thing 985 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,680 that you see where where's the momentum where what's the 986 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,880 message that's being carried. And that's I'm legitimately 987 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,440 curious what that message is. It's like, well things didn't 988 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,320 work out because we didn't have XY and Z, but you're the piece 989 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,800 that's going to make that happen. 990 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,320 Well, I think a lot of players who would be difference makers 991 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,920 are going to have a lot of options and it's going to be 992 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,160 interesting to see how that equation plays out. 993 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,400 So I am really worried about the the overall vibe around the 994 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,160 program and and look we're are we contributing to it by even 995 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,240 talking about it? I mean I guess, but I feel like 996 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:31,960 we're just kind of observing like this is not Scott and Galen 997 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,920 are are being sour Pusses and are being negative and everybody 998 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,320 else is like yeah, things are fine. 999 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,480 This is where I go back to what I said at the opening of the 1000 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,480 podcast. Like the vibe in the arena could 1001 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,320 not have been more casual and more, you know, we're going to 1002 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,320 wait to see, but we're not going to get excited. 1003 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,680 Like that is always a Rubicon when Indiana crosses it. 1004 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,440 An individual season that generally portends bad things 1005 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,600 moving forward. And that's what worries me. 1006 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,000 It's like all of this. There's still X amount of games 1007 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,440 remaining. Like that's a real issue. 1008 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600 I know. I'm just laughing because it's 1009 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,680 like I I I guess I'm fine like we it's OK that we have the it's 1010 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,120 the fans fault discussion in football like that's that's 1011 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,760 already been broached like we can't bring this to basketball 1012 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,600 that's like wow this has never been the battle like, but to to 1013 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,000 hear, I know it's like you're saying it's a scarecrow argument 1014 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,880 but it's like I mean again like this is where you know what like 1015 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,640 I'm sorry you're as a fan you're allowed to be pissed. 1016 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,680 You're allowed to see what you want like IU basketball holds 1017 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,000 itself to a higher standard. We do that. 1018 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,200 That is why. No, no, no. 1019 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,760 I'm just saying like, yes, no. But we we try to. 1020 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,200 I mean, like what we if, if we yes, I mean we we try to hold 1021 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,240 ourselves to a the. Fans. 1022 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,000 The fans do. But if you do, well, yes. 1023 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,440 But if you do, then you're allowed to be pissed at a team 1024 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,720 that may not make the NIT like that is. 1025 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,880 That's not a good season. Like that's just that is far. 1026 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,080 I don't. I don't think anybody's arguing 1027 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,200 that it's a good season. Well, I know, but I'm just 1028 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,240 saying like then fans are allowed to be annoyed and 1029 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,640 pissed. I well, I want to go to one 1030 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,120 thing you said though about like next being concerned about next 1031 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,880 season is to to everyone who continues to to say this, like, 1032 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,080 all right, we'll just get guys in the portal. 1033 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,800 It's like a couple things here. First off, you know, two of our 1034 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,440 top 4 performers this year, Khalil Ware and Mackenzie and 1035 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,160 Bako, came as transfers from the portal and we're having a ton of 1036 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,400 problems meshing, well, chemistry this year. 1037 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,560 So just the idea that that you're going to bring in we're 1038 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,720 going to bring in three more guys you know how's that We 1039 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:32,000 don't have a history of showing that we're meshing guys. 1040 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,600 I don't I don't know if I agree with that. 1041 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,840 I think I think we're has been fine we're I mean we're had a 1042 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,440 great game today. Like, I mean, yeah, they're. 1043 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,360 Playing fine. I'm saying as a unit they're not 1044 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,200 meshing like. I think that's. 1045 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,800 I think, well, I get your point. I I do understand what you're 1046 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,960 saying. I think the problem is not. 1047 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,400 The problem to me is more along the lines of I don't know what 1048 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,920 they're supposed to be meshing into and and like there doesn't 1049 00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:00,000 the the core aspect of what makes the team work offensively 1050 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,120 is not a modern offensive system. 1051 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,560 It's it's. It's simply not and. 1052 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,280 We keep saying we need to get somebody in the portal that does 1053 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,800 things that, like this offense just doesn't want people to. 1054 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,080 Do but it but it but. You got to get a point guard who 1055 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080 just shoots a bunch of threes to put in an offense that doesn't 1056 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,720 do it, but. See, to me, the more fundamental 1057 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,840 problem, and this extends back to last year, is the lack of 1058 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,680 defensive intensity and the lack of coherent defensive philosophy 1059 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:31,880 that has now LED Indiana to be a very, very mediocre defensive 1060 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,080 team when it comes to power five teams. 1061 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,800 I mean, Indiana right now defensive efficiency wise, is 1062 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,640 96th in the country. And look, there are worst teams 1063 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,640 defensively in the Big 10. You know, in some cases, by some 1064 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,400 magnitudes, Michigan is a much worse defensive team. 1065 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,840 Iowa is a much worse defensive team. 1066 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,080 And Michigan sucks, But Iowa makes up for it because they 1067 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,800 have one of the best offenses in the country. 1068 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,320 And you go through and look at some of the other teams that 1069 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,040 have questionable defenses. Alabama is a great example. 1070 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,640 There's 73rd in the country defensively. 1071 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,160 They're the number one team offensively in the country, you 1072 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,000 know, so they can afford to some degree to not be as good 1073 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,200 defensively. Kentucky is not great 1074 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,720 defensively. They're slightly better than 1075 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,840 Indiana but they're the 7th best team in the country offensively. 1076 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,800 So you don't have Indiana has nothing to lean on that or this 1077 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,320 is this is who we are. This is our identity and last 1078 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,080 year the identity was we have Trace Jackson Davis. 1079 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,720 Now that was essentially the entire identity of the team 1080 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,920 until Jalen Hutchefino kind of stepped up and you know kind of 1081 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,560 co-authored the last third of the season. 1082 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,160 I just really I I actively question at this point again I 1083 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,920 and I said this last time, what is the selling point for IU how 1084 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,680 how do they how do they how does this get turned around. 1085 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,120 Look, I I still firmly think Mike Woodson's going to be here 1086 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,640 at least another year, maybe more. 1087 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,960 And so so be it that, you know, perhaps with his the first two 1088 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,520 seasons, he's earned that as much as one can at a place like 1089 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,880 Indiana where you're supposed to have these incredibly high 1090 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,360 standards as we talked about. But with that said, what is like 1091 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,240 where is the what is the what I want to hear like just once and 1092 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,520 for all just say what is the what is the real problem? 1093 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,800 Because it's none of these things that keep getting 1094 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,320 mentioned as the primary thing. It's not what we're missing open 1095 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,920 shots. Well, there, there's there's a 1096 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,720 lot of functional reasons why that's going on and it doesn't 1097 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,360 make a lot of sense. And if it's just that it's not, 1098 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,720 oh, we're missing free throws. That is certainly hurting. 1099 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,520 Why are the free throws being missed? 1100 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,880 Like that seems to be something that could be easily scoped. 1101 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,960 What I want to hear more fundamentally is why is this 1102 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,160 team not working together? Give us some kind of analysis or 1103 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,840 commentary or something from the coach's seat about why 1104 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,240 everything's not working. Because I think to some degree 1105 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,680 if you're going to have this bad of a season there needs to be 1106 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,400 some honesty about why it's not working and why you have a guy 1107 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:03,320 on the bench in Caleb Banks who's DMP now in how many games 1108 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,520 in a row? I mean I'm, I'm. 1109 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,520 And look perhaps there's a good reason for that. 1110 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,760 This is the 6th game in a row that we haven't seen Caleb Banks 1111 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,080 at all. You know we've seen Peyton 1112 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,520 Sparks. We've seen CJ Gunn is he's not 1113 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,480 injured because he's not on the injury report. 1114 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,640 What's the deal? You know, there's there's all 1115 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,360 kinds of questions about this team and what's going on with 1116 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,000 them that I'm really curious about more than anything else. 1117 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,000 Because to me that's the seeds that you have to indicate that 1118 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,440 you've planted to say, OK, here's what went wrong, here's 1119 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,800 what we're going to fix. This is the message moving 1120 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,560 forward. This is why IU fans who, as you 1121 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,360 mentioned, are starved for some kind of success, some kind of 1122 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,960 sustained success, there needs to be some kind of message. 1123 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,520 Like, we get it, things aren't going the way they need to go. 1124 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,000 Here's the problems and here's what we're doing to fix them. 1125 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,520 I'm just not hearing that which really is. 1126 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,400 Concerning. Yes. 1127 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,640 And the last thing I'll say just about the offseason is you know 1128 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,160 this is the bind that I think they're in that I continue to 1129 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,600 harp on is you know you just people are like we just got to 1130 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,280 get more out of the we got to get another dude out of the 1131 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,160 portal. It's like you you got Khalil 1132 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,440 Ware like the number of teams out there that are honestly this 1133 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,920 dysfunctional that go and get two or three guys in the top 25 1134 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,720 in the portal doesn't exist. Like we're probably going to get 1135 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,920 more guys like Anthony Walker. Not bad just you're going to get 1136 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,800 pieces like that you're not going to get 2 Khalil Ware's in 1137 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,320 the portal next year. You just can't assume that. 1138 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,120 And then the other piece that just I think people's minds need 1139 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,280 to be open to normally on teams like this that look this on. 1140 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,760 If we were just watching a you and I were just in Vegas 1141 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,640 watching a game and we saw a team without jerseys. 1142 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,880 You know names in their jerseys got to talk about jerseys too. 1143 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,040 Names on their jerseys. You know, if we saw them, you 1144 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,920 and I would both like who that team looks pissed off. 1145 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,640 Like I bet that's a team that I would love to poach guys off of. 1146 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,960 Like people need to get their heads wrapped around the fact 1147 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,040 too. Like you just mentioned Caleb 1148 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,720 Banks DMP not picking on him, but it's like a team that looks 1149 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,240 this unhappy, that doesn't have this kind of success with a 1150 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,640 coach who may or may not have a long 10 year ahead of him. 1151 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,440 This is a team that you poach guys off of. 1152 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,720 So the idea that we just we just got to get two more pieces like 1153 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,720 we might need to do that. We also might need to replace 2 1154 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,520 pieces that are already here. Like again, this infrastructure 1155 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,040 is just we're just rebuilding everything. 1156 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,080 And I think that's the part that is is funny to me. 1157 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,440 When I hear people say like all we got to do is just get one 1158 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,360 more guy in the portal. It's like we might need to get 1159 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,680 five more in the portal because there could be this is just a 1160 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,760 team that looks like. I hate to say it because it's 1161 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,640 our team, but it doesn't look like a team where everyone's 1162 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,520 going to be super excited to come back next. 1163 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,640 Year well. And again, as I've been saying 1164 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,800 and then we'll wrap up because I know you have to go to dinner. 1165 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,720 But yeah, it's it's not the players alone. 1166 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,680 Certainly perhaps you need different players we mentioned 1167 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,480 earlier. But there's clearly something 1168 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,600 not working with this system. And again, the when you got 2 1169 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,840 rim protectors and you've got people who should be able to 1170 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,760 play defense fairly well and you're 96th in the country in 1171 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,640 defensive efficiency. And you're coming off of a 1172 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,320 season where you had two players drafted into the NBA and you 1173 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,120 were 45th in the country in defensive efficiency with that 1174 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,520 group. To me, there's there's a 1175 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,400 fundamental problem there that So what fixes and we may not 1176 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,560 know, we'll know, I guess, when we see the team again in 1177 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,160 November or beyond. But there's clearly got to be a 1178 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,560 change in that aspect of things and that ends up being the 1179 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,960 starting point for a lot of it. And yeah, right now, I mean it 1180 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,480 just feels pretty dire because Indiana is they've been 1181 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,120 predictably bad in certain things. 1182 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,440 They've been unpredictably bad in a bunch of other things that 1183 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,160 we didn't think would end up that way and the vibe around the 1184 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,320 program right now is about as bad as it gets. 1185 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,760 It's it's it levels that we've only seen a few times right. 1186 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,600 You know and and that those times have generally not been 1187 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,480 good times. They haven't been happy times, 1188 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,280 Scott. So that's that's a big, that's a 1189 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,480 big problem. Yeah, Well, and what's funny is 1190 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,600 like, I, I mean I understand that broadcasters, you teach 1191 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,200 this, you know, I I know what they're doing. 1192 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,800 But when you hear, you know, like the broadcasters today 1193 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,080 being like, you know, you know, they they show the remaining 1194 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,920 schedule, It's like Indiana's got to really start picking up 1195 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,800 some wins. They want to you know get a shot 1196 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,440 of the tournament. It's like no, like we can you go 1197 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,440 to Bart Torvick show us winning out all of our games. 1198 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,480 We're not even in the discussion of the tournament like and I get 1199 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,880 it like a broadcaster can't say that on February 18th on ATV 1200 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,040 broadcast he like, but it's like that's that's what is funny is I 1201 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,400 still think there are people out there. 1202 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,680 You know there's still a couple games left. 1203 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,160 You can get some wins here. You know, it's like, no, like we 1204 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,800 went out, we still probably got to get to the finals, the Big 10 1205 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,040 tournament. I don't know, like we probably 1206 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,720 got to win the Big 10 tournament at this point. 1207 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,040 That's our only shot and chip to make the NCAA tournament. 1208 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,560 Like right now, to me, it's like this team is just trying to make 1209 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,080 to Bay above 500 to make the NIT. 1210 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,800 Like that's where they're at. I'm I I think it like what 1211 00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,880 worries me, is it gonna get even worse? 1212 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,040 Because I think there's some fans out there who haven't come 1213 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,680 to that realization yet. They're still like, hey, there's 1214 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,200 still five or six weeks left. We could still, you know, just 1215 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,360 got to get some wins, put put a streak together and we'll be 1216 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,080 back on the bubble. It's like, no, we're nowhere 1217 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,760 near the bubble. I wish I was more upset. 1218 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,840 I'm not. I'm just kind of, I mean, I 1219 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,120 nothing that has. Before I'm kind of just. 1220 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,480 Nothing that happened today was a shock. 1221 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,160 I mean, it would it kind of would have been a shock if if 1222 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,360 Indiana had won it to some degree. 1223 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,480 I mean, even with the the injury to Northwestern, 'cause, it just 1224 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,440 feels like fundamentally Indiana is not connected with each 1225 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,160 other, with the coaching staff. There isn't a great system 1226 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,280 that's in place that's putting players in a position to 1227 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,080 succeed. I don't think any one person is 1228 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,960 to blame, including Mike Woodson. 1229 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:48,760 But this whole thing stinks right now and and this and there 1230 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,400 doesn't seem to be a great recognition of how to fix it. 1231 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,280 And when you think about the reality that Indiana is now, 1232 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,520 I've now started this roller coaster where they got to play 1233 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,760 it. They played tonight, they got to 1234 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,080 play Wednesday, they play Saturday, they play the 1235 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,320 following Tuesday, they play the following Sunday, the following 1236 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,000 Wednesday, and then the following Sunday. 1237 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,520 Like, there's no getting off at this point. 1238 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,120 Will they lose all of those? I don't think so, but I wouldn't 1239 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,240 be shocked if they did. Given how they looked in this 1240 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,280 game, it's hard to see them getting that much more hype for 1241 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,240 some of the other games that they've got to play. 1242 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,880 I guess we'll learn a lot on Wednesday night at 8:30 when 1243 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,000 Indiana takes on Nebraska. Yeah. 1244 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,960 Anyway, on that happy note, we'll go ahead. 1245 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,680 Any final thoughts from you before we wrap up? 1246 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,480 No, I mean, I hate, I hate being in this position. 1247 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,160 I feel like I need like I I must say this. 1248 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,560 I liked the Chrome football helmet so I'm not complete old 1249 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,080 guy yet. I like Oregon with all the I 1250 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:49,320 love multiple uniforms. I like alternate uniforms. 1251 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,800 I understand it. Hey I'm a fan of the Indiana 1252 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,400 Pacers City uniforms like I am not a get off my lawn. 1253 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,720 It's got to be Indiana. I'd be cool if they did uniforms 1254 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,800 with names on the back. So I'm I'm. 1255 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,200 I'm cool with them trying different colors like it's it's 1256 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,520 all I'm cool. I'm one of the cool ones. 1257 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,000 I'm one of the cool old guys. Those uniforms sucked. 1258 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,720 They were ugly that you couldn't read the name. 1259 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,720 Like, if that's where we're going, those suck. 1260 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,800 Like, I would much rather go the Chrome stripes. 1261 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,120 Like, you can do so many things. Those were hideous and should 1262 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,960 just be all thrown into an incinerator and be gone with 1263 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,760 like just I'm done with those uniforms. 1264 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,560 I just don't. I mean Ryan Cotter who if you 1265 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,640 don't follow Ryan Cotter on on Twitter is is a really good 1266 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,320 follow. He's a, he's a really talented 1267 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,360 graphical artist. He he put up during the game a 1268 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,440 mock of what those same uniforms would have looked like in cream, 1269 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,200 which is part of the Fear of God color palette. 1270 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,600 That would have been great. And they look really they they 1271 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,040 don't look great. I I'm not a huge fan of the font 1272 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,320 but they they look better than what Indiana wore out there. 1273 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,480 It's I will say it is funny every time. 1274 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,160 You know, we've been proponents of like, let's where, let's have 1275 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,080 a black alternate like this or that every. 1276 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:02,960 Time it goes. Bad. 1277 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,040 And every time it goes bad, I I've gotten to the point where I 1278 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,920 cannot argue that there is clearly some kind of karmic 1279 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,640 force that is saying Indiana, thou shalt not do that. 1280 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,360 And the reverse jinx, where it's like, hey, we're doing black 1281 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,280 alternates, but we made them for Northwestern. 1282 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,360 Like, here you wear the black jerks, right? 1283 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,080 I know. I that way I was getting 1284 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,760 confused during a lot of the game, 'cause I kept, you know, 1285 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,840 kind of viscerally reacting positively whenever a player 1286 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,520 dressed in white would do something. 1287 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,880 And I was like, oh wait. No. 1288 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,640 Yeah. Well, anyway, the kids, the not 1289 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:36,920 the the players seem to dig them. 1290 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,000 I will say this, I had the same reaction to you. 1291 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,000 I I texted this to a couple of people. 1292 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,440 It's like, OK, this is clearly my old man moment. 1293 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,840 I I don't like these aesthetically, I don't really 1294 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,760 get them. But surely that's just 'cause 1295 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,200 I'm old now and the the youth actually dig them and and 1296 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,920 actually a lot of the youth I talked to didn't dig them. 1297 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,720 So, all right, good Sulavi. Anyway, so that'll wrap it up 1298 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,400 for us again. We'll be back. 1299 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,600 Tony Adrani's gonna come on here in a couple of days we're gonna 1300 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,320 we'll have him on chat about some things we're. 1301 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,960 Not going to a black Crimson cast logo. 1302 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,920 We're, you know, you should mock one up. 1303 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,000 Let's let's see. No, you can't read the font. 1304 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,240 It's just a black. Square. 1305 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,560 Try that. Let's see what happens. 1306 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,400 With the way things are going on Twitter, we might move up the 1307 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,120 like, we might get like, oh, this is great, like you can't 1308 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,080 see your icon because you're better on X. 1309 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,600 This was, this was what was gonna generate our social media 1310 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,160 breakthrough. It was like, oh, Crimson cast 1311 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,000 went black. This is nice, no? 1312 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,120 But anyway, we'll be back later on this week. 1313 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,840 We've got that. We've got a couple of some 1314 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,440 football content. I think that should be coming 1315 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,360 later on this week. And we'll see what happens with 1316 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,040 IU basketball. They're back in action on 1317 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,240 Wednesday night at 8:30. Whoops. 1318 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,080 That's the wrong button. Let's hit that button instead. 1319 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,000 Nebraska coming into Assembly Hall. 1320 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,000 Maybe Indiana can win that one. We'll see Anyway for Scott, By 1321 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,880 the way, big, big game this upcoming. 1322 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,480 We will two games for the women at Illinois tomorrow afternoon 1323 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,120 at home against Iowa and Caitlin Clark on Thursday, so be sure to 1324 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,560 check those out. Anyway, that'll wrap it up for 1325 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,320 us. For Scott, I'm Galen, this is 1326 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,520 Crimson Cast. We'll catch you folks. 1327 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,120 On the flip side, bring back the Bison. 1328 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:07,680 So everybody.