1 00:00:07,100 --> 00:00:10,300 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:20,700 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson cast and 3 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:25,700 emergency episode here on the afternoon of Sunday, the 9th of 4 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:31,200 October as news coming down, officially, from IU football on 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,600 a release. That was put out at about 1:00 6 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:39,100 on Sunday afternoon, that Tom Allen is letting Darrin Hill 7 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:42,800 Ergo, the offensive line coach and Run game coordinator for 8 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:48,100 this IU football program. Since I saw Tom, Allen got to IU 9 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:52,500 and took over the full time position in 2017 relieved of his 10 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:56,100 duties and is going to be replaced by Rod carry, which is 11 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,100 an interesting choice for a number of reasons which we'll 12 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:01,000 talk about. But this is News 4, IU. 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,800 If you listen to our now out of date podcast, that we recorded 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,600 earlier this morning or really have, you know, just been in the 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,100 IU sphere over the course of this season and also last 16 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:14,300 season, you know, that I use offensive line. 17 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:20,000 Play has increasingly been the source of a lot of problems for 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 its offense, and that has been apparent. 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,200 Pretty much in every game Indiana's played especially 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,600 yesterday. As we saw, I you basically 21 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,500 unable to do anything Possibly in the second half and it just 22 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,300 was a continuation of a long-standing problem. 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,900 And, you know, we've talked with some people including Taylor, 24 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:44,200 Layman, who will talk to hear shortly about the gradual D 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,300 evolution of this IU offensive line and the struggles that 26 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:49,200 they've had over the last few years. 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,800 So to some degree, perhaps not a shock that a move comes although 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,700 certainly a surprise in terms of the timing of the news coming 29 00:01:58,700 --> 00:01:59,800 essentially at the halfway point. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,700 Into the season and when you think about it, Tom Allen very 31 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:09,900 much, a guy who focuses on loyalty and it really has tried 32 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,500 to build this very familial atmosphere. 33 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:15,700 Just a bit of a surprise to watch him fire one of his 34 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:18,800 offensive coaches during the middle of the season. 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,100 However not a choice that I would criticize Alan for I think 36 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:28,100 something clearly had to be done in terms of the offense of wine 37 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:32,600 and it Just like if it was just this season, I think you could 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,700 probably say. Well let's just try to get 39 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:37,700 through the season, get to the end and fix things. 40 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:42,500 But this is an IU team that is still alive for a bowl as hard 41 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:45,000 as that. Might seem to think about after 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,900 what's happened. The last three weeks this team's 43 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:50,400 three and three, there's four winnable games left on the 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,400 schedule and I think clearly at this point Tom Allen looking at 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,500 the play of his offensive line and saying this is not going to 46 00:02:57,508 --> 00:02:59,800 get any better unless we do something. 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,700 Acetic and something drastic, really needs to be done because, 48 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:09,200 you know, Indiana does not have the luxury unfortunately to put 49 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,200 themselves in a position where they lose eight or nine games 50 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,000 again in a season. This is a program for a number 51 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,500 of reasons that really has to get its trajectory back up into 52 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,200 at least Bowl contention and pretty really realistically 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,700 actual Bowl attendance. So, this looks like a move by 54 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:31,500 Tom Allen. To try to solidify. 55 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:35,000 What had essentially been the quicksand position for IU 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,800 throughout the course of this whole season, you know, and not 57 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,100 just the offensive line, but it was RA mentioned. 58 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,100 Hillary also the Run game coordinator, that has been a 59 00:03:44,108 --> 00:03:46,900 real problem as well. For this team largely because of 60 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:49,100 the lack of blocking on the offense of wine but the Run game 61 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:52,700 in general has really been underwhelming for this Indiana 62 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:54,300 program. We're going to bring Taylor 63 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,700 Layman on, you know Taylor from appearances on Crimson cast 64 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:01,300 before he's also the author of Bite-sized bison. 65 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,500 Which did an excellent job of laying out the problems with the 66 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:07,300 offensive line. Be sure to subscribe to 67 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:09,700 bite-size bison. You can find all a Tailor's 68 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:13,200 material on Twitter. It's by Taylor L. 69 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:16,600 Be sure to follow him, and really kind of presaged 70 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,800 everything that we're about to talk about with this discussion. 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,600 So we're going to go ahead and get the Taylor now and talk more 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,300 about the news that Darrin Hill has been relieved of his duties. 73 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,800 All right, Taylor. Welcome back to the show. 74 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,700 We were hoping to have you on later on. 75 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:32,600 This week, but we had to record something immediately. 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,200 As the news comes down today, that Darren Hiller's been fired 77 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:39,100 as offensive line, coach and running game. 78 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:43,400 Coordinator for IU, I sent this to you via text message. 79 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,700 Your initial reaction to this news. 80 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:51,800 Oh wow. I think my first reaction was 81 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,500 midseason, I was very surprised. I thought it was first of all, I 82 00:04:56,900 --> 00:05:01,100 wasn't sure if it was going to happen after this season, but if 83 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:03,400 I thought of it might happen, it would happen after the season 84 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,700 was over not after this week and I halfway through the season. 85 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 So I think that was my first reaction but also know that I 86 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,300 talked to you yesterday about the tone that Tom Allen using 87 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:17,000 his press conference to which kind of shifted. 88 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:19,200 Things and we had a pretty good conversation about that. 89 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,100 But yeah, it was, you know, it was clear to me, you I remember 90 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:26,400 very clearly we talked about this on the podcast that we 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,200 released but is now very out of date. 92 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,000 We recorded that one at 9:00 this morning and you can go back 93 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,500 and listen to it, anybody that's listening if you want to. 94 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:37,600 But a lot of what we talked about is is now expired 95 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:43,500 essentially, but last year, Tom Allen was being very supportive 96 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:46,600 of Nick Sheridan in the offense for most of the season. 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,700 And then there Point late in the season, I think it was the 98 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:52,400 Minnesota game, perhaps, where he just kind of went nuts in the 99 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,000 press conference like, for Alan, it was among the more negative 100 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,300 things I've ever heard him talk with her about. 101 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,500 Just like, you know, we got to make sure we're actually 102 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,900 throwing the ball properly and like, we're calling the right 103 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:07,500 plays. And it just at that point, I was 104 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,200 like, all right, it's going to be a shock if Nick Sheridan's 105 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 around, you know, any more than a day or two after the end of 106 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,300 this season and as it turned out, they waited until the end 107 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:17,900 of the season. And then Then fired him almost 108 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:20,900 immediately and it was the same kind of vibe. 109 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,100 It wasn't directed specifically at Hiller, but you could tell 110 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:30,400 with Alan's tone after the game yesterday that he was clearly 111 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:35,300 kind of at his wits end with the offense and the offensive line 112 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:39,500 and the struggles that they've had I mean we've been talking 113 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:41,900 about this for a while. This semester this season, you 114 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:45,100 wrote a great piece in bite-sized bison, kind of laying 115 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:47,000 out the regression of the offensive line. 116 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:49,000 Time. Were you surprised that 117 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,200 yesterday's game of all games ended up being the kind of Pivot 118 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,100 Point making Alan decided that he had to make a change right 119 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:58,200 now? No, I've kind of been thinking 120 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,100 about that because I it's very surprising, you know, Michigan 121 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:04,300 is a very good team. You wouldn't necessarily 122 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:07,400 anticipate this offensive line performing well against that 123 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,300 defensive front and honestly I thought, you know, in the 124 00:07:10,308 --> 00:07:12,600 beginning I thought they had a pretty good game plan and I 125 00:07:12,608 --> 00:07:15,400 thought they were performing, you know, okay they were still 126 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:16,900 performing in spite of their offensive line. 127 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,900 Line in a lot of ways but then it just kind of crumbled in some 128 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:25,800 very crucial moments. Especially you know when they 129 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,200 couldn't do anything on offense, maybe the defense gave a big 130 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,100 play and you out there thinking, you know, the offense really 131 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:34,300 needs to push the ball down the field and then there was no 132 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:37,200 resistance from that offensive line, they had just worn down 133 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:41,600 throughout the game. And I think also just you know 134 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,700 probably talked about a little bit later but it is don't really 135 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:45,500 have any answers at right tackle either. 136 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,800 And and So we've talked about development and things like that 137 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:55,000 in the past but I just thought it a lot of vulnerabilities 138 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 specific vulnerabilities in the offensive line really kind of 139 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,800 reared their head later in the game even though they kind of 140 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:05,000 got off to that hot star and you know play competitively for most 141 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,700 of the game. I I think that might have been a 142 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:10,200 frustration for Tom Allen as well but it's not like you know 143 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,400 it's not exactly the time I was defense has been playing super 144 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 great hits defensive playing super great this year but in 145 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,400 this game it did really feel like you Offensive line kind of 146 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,100 cost them. Some not only just, you know, 147 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:23,900 points and movement just momentum in general. 148 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:26,000 When they needed to get momentum, the offensive line 149 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 couldn't keep up to create it. Yeah, that was the thing. 150 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,100 It wasn't a situation yesterday where you had the kind of total 151 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:36,400 systems failure that started the Nebraska game. 152 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,299 For instance, the defense played really well. 153 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:42,000 And you know, even though the offense played pretty well, it 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,400 seemed like they had some good plays, it felt a lot like those 155 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,400 plays were largely. Successful because they were 156 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,400 avoiding the offense of wine. I mean, you had a lot of, let's 157 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,900 throw the ball in the flat especially on the right side. 158 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:57,400 Let's get our receivers downfield blocking, which only 159 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,800 work for the first half because Michigan was like, well wait, if 160 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,600 we stop that, this should be pretty easy to fix. 161 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,900 And that's exactly what happened. 162 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:08,500 And once I you had to like stick between the tackles and try to 163 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:13,000 get a run game going or try to throw conventionally protection, 164 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,400 just broke down and kind of Basil acts back there, you know, 165 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,000 looking away. Away as he's throwing the ball 166 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,100 down the field as he was getting ready to get crushed on several 167 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:24,300 plays. Its, you know, it's so you look 168 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:30,300 at this and you say to yourself, okay, it's unusual. 169 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:33,600 You don't hear a lot about position coaches, getting fired 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,600 in the middle of Seasons, which I think to some degree kind of 171 00:09:36,608 --> 00:09:41,000 highlights how critical this is. Because I imagine Tom Allen's 172 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,300 looking at this season and he's saying we've still got the 173 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:46,900 chance to get to a bowl like it's not out of the question. 174 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Jim. And, you know, I guess my 175 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,600 question for you on that is, do you think that it's possible to 176 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,200 salvage an offensive line that has struggled as mightily as 177 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,700 Indiana's has in the middle of the season? 178 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,100 And at least get it up to the point where you might be able to 179 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:03,500 score points and pick up a couple of victories. 180 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:08,300 You know, Galen I've also been think I've been thinking about 181 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:11,900 this since honestly since I wrote that offensive line piece 182 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:15,200 because somebody actually did ask me, it's not really in the 183 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,300 same vein of the question that you're asking me right now but 184 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:21,200 they asked me you know they said that the long-range prognosis is 185 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,400 deflating but how much difference would it make to 186 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,100 spend big money and bring in a new offensive line coach that 187 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:28,300 would have attracted recruits? And that's kind of got me 188 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:33,200 thinking like you know what what would happen if you know if like 189 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,200 is this offensive line like you were just asking, so, like to 190 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:42,200 answer the question, finally, I think that you can scheme them 191 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,700 to put them in better positions, Maybe But offensive line is such 192 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:51,400 a it's such a slow developing process is it's not really like 193 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,400 you know you can hire you know somebody like a wall fell to 194 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,400 come in and create a different scheme. 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Get Playmakers in the right position. 196 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,300 Offensive lines are very, you know, intimate small space a 197 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:08,400 type of position and it's a it's very much more detailed than 198 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,400 necessarily creating a new offensive system. 199 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,600 It's more like you know this is a years in the making you know 200 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,900 that's That's more what an offensive line is really 201 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:20,000 difficult to come in and immediately change and offensive 202 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 line. But, you know, if you know I'm 203 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,700 not a Rock Aries, taking over maybe Rod. 204 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:31,700 Kerry has some ideas on ways that he can, you know, different 205 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:34,300 blocking schemes that maybe suit, the strengths of the 206 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:38,400 offensive line better. I'm not, I'm not a fantastic 207 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,500 offensive, offensive line mind. But if maybe is seen by Zach, 208 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:45,300 Carpenter performs a little better at left guard. 209 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:47,300 Rail seat here. At least he has the last couple 210 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:50,300 games, maybe they see some strengths there. 211 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:55,600 Maybe they want to get maybe putting Josh sales at right 212 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,900 tackle long-term and then knowing what he can do well they 213 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:05,000 just you know work toward that. But as far as like Rising 214 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,300 something or raising some of these this guy, some of these 215 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:11,500 guys floors, I don't necessarily think that's possible in the 216 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:16,800 middle of a season but I know I saw your tweet that That Crimson 217 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,300 cast and put out and it was more like this is like a cultural 218 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,700 cultural necessity and I think that's kind of the biggest 219 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:26,100 impact here. If you know, I mean, it's and 220 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:29,200 it's tough because and this is where, you know, I mean, players 221 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,200 are going to defend their coaches and teammates are going 222 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,300 to defend other teammates. But you know, you have to be 223 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:41,000 able I think as a head coach or anybody running an organization. 224 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,200 Like, if there are clear like structural systemic deficiencies 225 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,200 in a department, don't you have to be able to look everybody in 226 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,800 the eye and say, this can't be. We have to be better than this. 227 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,600 We have to make a change in leadership and you know that so 228 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,100 I do I'm with you and it'll be interesting to see if that Spurs 229 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:05,500 the line collectively into action, maybe gets them playing 230 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:09,500 a little bit more stably. But as you said it's it is a 231 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:13,600 difficult situation because it's not just a scheme issue with the 232 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,800 offensive line. That's a development issue. 233 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:20,900 It's an overall Talent issue, I mean, in the, in the podcast 234 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:24,000 that we recorded earlier today, you know, I haven't looked at 235 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 all the numbers, but we were talking about this, this might 236 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,600 be the worst Power five offensive line in college 237 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,800 football this year. And it's it's that's I don't 238 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,600 know if that's recoverable, but at the very least, I think you 239 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,600 send a message at this point that look, you know, the excuses 240 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,700 are done like we have to play better than this. 241 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:46,100 There's no excuse for playing this poorly. 242 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,300 Lie. And you know, the head person in 243 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:51,100 charge of that position. Group certainly has a huge 244 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:55,800 amount to say and do about that. So maybe that has some kind of 245 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,800 an intellectual or emotional impact more than anything else I 246 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,400 do. Yeah just sorry go ahead. 247 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:04,300 Oh no I was going to say I think you're I think you're correct 248 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:07,200 and your assessment that they are probably the worst offensive 249 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:12,200 line unit in the power 5. But also you know it's also just 250 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,900 a matter of kind of mentioned this earlier but It just seems I 251 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:20,000 got some positions, they don't really have an answer and if 252 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,600 you're in your 6th year and you don't really have an answer when 253 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,600 somebody goes down with an injury or somebody's not 254 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,100 performing the way that they should be. 255 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,800 Then that's that, just means that you haven't done your job 256 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,900 effectively as the offensive line coach. 257 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:39,100 And so I think that's that's that's a it's a message sent to 258 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:44,600 the team or or to everyone honestly that you know at this 259 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,900 point you would expect even an Indian Hannah to have some sort 260 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:54,100 of standard and these in the specific scenario for what you 261 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:56,000 want your where you want your team, where you want your 262 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,500 program to be and the big tent. But yeah, I think I think you're 263 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:03,500 probably correct. The question that I think I've 264 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:07,700 seen the most in the immediate aftermath of this announcement 265 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,100 and this was actually one of the things we talked about a lot on 266 00:15:10,108 --> 00:15:13,100 the earlier show. Why not make this move in the 267 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:15,300 offseason and this was something that Zach. 268 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:18,800 Osterman, is peace in the Star. This morning, I thought really 269 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,900 did a good job of bringing out and Dustin to appear a cast. 270 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:24,600 A really good question in the press conference which is what 271 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,000 led to the answer that got me thinking that this could be a 272 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,800 possibility. But, you know, Zach. 273 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,600 And this was something we saw from a lot of coverage of IU. 274 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,900 Was this idea that last year had been an aberration and that 275 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:42,800 Allen had had these really deep and tough conversations with 276 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,000 everybody involved, players, coaches, whatever, and he felt 277 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,200 good about Hiller and his ability to turn around the 278 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,200 offensive line. I mean, I guess the question is 279 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:58,200 like, does that sound plausible and, and did it seem like a good 280 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,900 reason to maintain the status quo, especially when Assistant 281 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:05,300 coach moves were made at a bunch of different positions within 282 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:08,800 the IU family. Like if you were you know it's 283 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,600 interesting because obviously there was a clear cultural clash 284 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,700 between Allen and Charlton Warren about the defense but the 285 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:19,600 defense wasn't bad last year. You know that was a defense that 286 00:16:19,608 --> 00:16:23,400 played pretty well yet. They made a change there and you 287 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,700 know you you'd like to give Alan the benefit of the doubt when he 288 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:30,600 says well you know, we had a really hard to heart and felt 289 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,500 like the things we're Going to get better, but it also that 290 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:37,700 feels like a real missed opportunity for IU, you know, 291 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:40,500 because if you feel like you make a change in the offseason, 292 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:43,500 you got a chance to restructure, maybe bring some new players in 293 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:48,200 and maybe that results in you being able to, you know, pick up 294 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,000 that Nebraska Victory, as opposed to losing that game. 295 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,300 You know, maybe that puts you in a slightly better position, in 296 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:57,700 terms of your overall, offensive presence as you head into the 297 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:02,000 second half of the Season. It just a People like think 298 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,600 rightfully. So we're going to look at Allen 299 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,300 and say well you know not not congratulations on making the 300 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:10,300 move but it's like what took you so long because this seemed like 301 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:13,700 the end result that was always going to be in the cards based 302 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,300 upon what we saw the last six seasons whether or not you made 303 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:18,900 the move halfway through the year or had to make the move at 304 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:22,400 the end of the year. And he also and my thoughts who 305 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,300 is he also might have thought the same thing about that. 306 00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:27,800 This might be coming if he was making the move, if he makes a 307 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,400 move now in the middle of the Season, you know, maybe He 308 00:17:31,408 --> 00:17:33,600 thought all along that this could have been a possibility in 309 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,800 the first place, which in then when brings begs the question 310 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,700 again, like you're just asking why not make the move in the 311 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:43,900 offseason beforehand. Yeah, I don't know if maybe he 312 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:48,800 just wanted some continuity from previous offenses, offensive 313 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:55,800 schemes, and offensive regimes. He's had in his tenure I or I 314 00:17:55,808 --> 00:17:58,700 mean if you do if you look at some of the path, the offensive 315 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:03,200 line is kind of taken the plan that Darrin Hill As had, you can 316 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,300 kinda, it's like if you want to get the benefit of the doubt a 317 00:18:05,308 --> 00:18:09,400 timeout. And you can kind of see where he 318 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,800 might have, believed in Darrin Hill, or it might have, you 319 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,600 know, kind of invested stock and Aaron Hill, or long term 320 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:18,500 especially given during his previous resume as well, but 321 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,900 Yeah, it's really hard. It kind of felt like it kind of 322 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,000 felt like to everyone that the writing was on the wall. 323 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,100 So why not? Why not, for Tom Island. 324 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,200 Yeah, it's it's going to be one of those big questions. 325 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,000 And, you know, I'm sure it goes back to some feelings of 326 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,900 loyalty, but this is where the struggles come in. 327 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:36,500 And, and this is where to some degree. 328 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:40,600 I think Alan has not been. If you're going to have a 329 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,600 criticism of him as a manager of people and a manager of the 330 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,300 program, he has been kind of slow on the trigger. 331 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,500 With would have looked like necessary. 332 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,700 Is going all the way back to Mike deboard as offensive 333 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:55,300 coordinator and a lot of the frustrations that surrounded 334 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:59,500 that, you know, it's going to be really fascinating thing because 335 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,400 they're kind of lucky here. They have Rod carry on staff, 336 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,200 you'll former head coach former IU player who's going to slide 337 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,100 in and you know, has a good track record with offensive line 338 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:15,900 coaching in general. So you know, you are very 339 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,100 fortunate that you've got someone in the building, they 340 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:20,600 can take over it. It's just, it's going to be 341 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,200 really interesting how all of that plays out as we move ahead. 342 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:26,300 And it just, you think we'll gosh. 343 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:29,600 If you're going to go out and hire a new offensive coordinator 344 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,900 which they did this offseason, it's like give maybe give that 345 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:34,500 person. Their choice of people that they 346 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:36,300 want to work with in these sorts of roles. 347 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,700 And always, it's just they're just some puzzling Personnel 348 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,700 decisions that were made and it has been one of those things 349 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:46,400 where you kind of scratch your head and you're like, it feels 350 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,900 like a times. This has taken some of the 351 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:49,400 potential out of where this Indiana team. 352 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,800 Could be because of either hanging on too long to a coach 353 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,100 or not making a change when it was clear that a change needed 354 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:57,500 to be made. Yeah. 355 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:01,900 Yeah and you know, kind of, you know, when we talk about know, 356 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:04,500 there's been a lot of talk about momentum of the program and when 357 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:06,700 you like you were just saying, you know, you want to give Walt 358 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:08,400 Bill. His guys, you want you want him 359 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,500 to allow to bring people in instead of like kind of patch 360 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:14,200 working an offensive staff together. 361 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,200 Like it seems like it's been, you know, the entire time I land 362 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,100 tenure honestly. Then you know as you're making 363 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:27,800 those changes you know why not give while Bell his guys went 364 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,500 out a lot while belt to bring in his guys immediately. 365 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:34,500 So you're not wasting this season and it kind of just you 366 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,900 know when you waste Seasons it's not good for the moment of my 367 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:40,700 program. Well, it's just an interesting 368 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:45,000 note from our own Griffin Gonzales earlier today, since 369 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000 the beginning of the 2019 season, I you as had one head 370 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,600 coach three offensive, Nader's three defensive coordinators, 371 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,300 three running backs, coach has to wide receiver coach has one 372 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:59,400 offensive line coach, and, and it's just, it is interesting 373 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,800 that there's been, you know, some of those folks have left 374 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,500 for better programs and Griffin notes that obviously, but there 375 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:09,000 just hasn't been a lot of continuity in terms of coaching. 376 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,800 And, you know, I use been for IU good during that period. 377 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,200 But it's not like they're, you know, regularly winning nine or 378 00:21:17,208 --> 00:21:21,400 ten games and and are like the the tree from which you want to 379 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,300 pluck the fruit of the next generation of coaches. 380 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:29,200 So I mean I do sometimes wonder about that because there's been 381 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,600 stability in areas where they're probably shouldn't have been and 382 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,200 then there's been churn in places where you would hope for 383 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000 a little more stability with with Allen's program thus far. 384 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,700 Yeah. And I think, you know, as you 385 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,700 were saying like some of the previous position coaches have 386 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:48,900 left for better jobs and maybe he just reflects, you know, 387 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:51,600 maybe just reflects how other programs view Darren Hillary. 388 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,800 He also didn't leave for a better job. 389 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,200 I Yeah. I'm not I'm not exactly sure. 390 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,200 I'm not exactly sure. Why why he kept them on other 391 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,300 than just the the Loyalty or maybe even just the just the 392 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:11,500 camaraderie that comes with having somebody that you have 393 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:15,300 worked with, you know, very deep into your past which a lot of 394 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:19,200 those guys have moved on from IU that had Tom Allen had initially 395 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,900 brought on. Yeah, I yeah I don't know I 396 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,000 think there's going to be a lot more that comes to light about 397 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,900 this as the The rest of the year goes on, I think it's gonna be 398 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:31,700 like you said, it needs to be really curious to see, you know, 399 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:36,800 if Ron Carey is somebody who they you know kind of maybe 400 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 biked as an offensive line coach anyway and already had them on 401 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,900 in case you know something like this were to happen. 402 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:47,700 I don't know. It'll be interesting moving 403 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,500 forward. I've already been thinking about 404 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,400 how Rod carries going to affect the program. 405 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,500 Yeah, from this position. So well as I think, most people 406 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,600 would argue You, it's hard to Envision it getting any worse 407 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,700 with this move and and there is the possibility of it getting 408 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,400 better. And at the end of the day, I 409 00:23:04,408 --> 00:23:08,700 think Tom Allen is looking at this and saying, look, we this, 410 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:12,900 this program can't afford to straight losing Seasons or two 411 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,300 straight Seasons where you've lost like eight or more games 412 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,800 like, at the very least you got to be in the bowl conversation, 413 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:22,500 it's too easy to lose recruiting momentum and if you can make a 414 00:23:22,508 --> 00:23:25,600 change, and it has even a marginal positive impact, and 415 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,500 maybe turns, You know, a Rutgers game or Purdue game from A Loss 416 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:31,700 into a win, then it was worth it. 417 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:34,500 And even if it doesn't, it was probably worth the dice roll 418 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:38,100 because if it was I think of anything was clear to me, it was 419 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:41,800 that this line was not going to get better under the current 420 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,500 regime as the season went along. And in fact, I think, you know 421 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:49,600 as to some degrees we saw with Michigan yesterday, the book is 422 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,700 out on how Indiana's playing offense of wine, Michigan, was 423 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,800 doing a lot of damage with for pass rushers or five. 424 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Yesterday, it wasn't like they were overwhelming with blitzes, 425 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,600 you know, you've got, you're going to have trouble against 426 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,400 Michigan's in Ohio, State's like that. 427 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,300 But against lesser teams, that can't take advantage of that. 428 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,600 They have a lot of film now that they can scheme off of Indiana 429 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,800 and something had to change as things move forward. 430 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,500 So one last thing, I guess for you on this is, you know, what 431 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:25,000 do you think? Indiana ultimately can do there. 432 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,900 They've struggled in both run blocking and Pass blocking. 433 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:31,100 And obviously, there's some things you can do scheme wise to 434 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,000 affect one of the other. You mentioned a couple of things 435 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,500 earlier, about trying to stabilize who's playing and what 436 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:38,000 roles. But, you know, in these sorts of 437 00:24:38,008 --> 00:24:40,100 situations, you'll can you try it? 438 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,800 Can you say look, we're going to, we're going to have to make 439 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,100 a living through the air. Like the chances of us making a 440 00:24:45,108 --> 00:24:48,800 living on the ground is low. So we have to figure out a way 441 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,200 to stabilize what we're doing with that or is this just a 442 00:24:51,208 --> 00:24:54,400 situation where you're just kind of throwing the dice and hoping 443 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,800 something positive happens out of this without really being 444 00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,600 Being able to necessarily focus on one area or another. 445 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,400 Yeah, I think well, I think there's a lot of experimenting 446 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,800 that are probably go into this with a lot of the younger guys. 447 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,000 We gotta look at Josh sales against Michigan and it wasn't 448 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,900 great. You know, he had a really bad 449 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,700 day and past walking which was surprising to me. 450 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,900 I thought I thought he was a much better pass blocker, but I 451 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,200 guess it and, you know, it is Michigan. 452 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,800 So moving forward against teams like like Maryland next week 453 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,900 Josh doesn't have a better game there but I think just getting 454 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,800 some of those younger guys and trying to get them developed as 455 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,600 quickly as possible. You know, which is one of those 456 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,300 things where you know that's probably why they didn't really 457 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:41,000 want them on the fields. They didn't really like how far 458 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,200 along they had been developed but I yeah I just think what you 459 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,300 do is you get your best pass blockers out on the field you 460 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:52,200 pass and that you know, obviously Michigan was able to 461 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,300 stop the you know, the Plans that I you had to the passing 462 00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:59,200 game early in the game, they were able to stop it in the 463 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,700 second half and that's why Indiana was playing so poorly on 464 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,300 offense, because what are they going to do? 465 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:08,600 Run into Michigan. It's so you know yeah there's 466 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,500 just very little there's very little that they can do in my 467 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:17,700 opinion to really improve this offensive line no matter who the 468 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,600 head coaches and I think just I just think that really caught up 469 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,300 with Darren Hiller. I just think the the 470 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,200 construction of this line Is really what caught up with 471 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,100 Darren Hiller less. So the performance of the line 472 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:36,000 this year, I think just I think the performance of the line this 473 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,700 year just highlighted, the incompetence in the construction 474 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,300 of the line and the years leading up to this season. 475 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,200 And so I don't think that there is going to be much of a change 476 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,100 that you can make this going to make it better. 477 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,400 But as far as what you can do to make it better for the future 478 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,600 just keep developing the young guys because they do have 479 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,400 talent, they have talent on this roster, they have offensive line 480 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,500 Talent so they just need to develop it and and I don't know 481 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:12,500 if I don't And Heather was great at that and there's no evidence 482 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,500 that he was great at that. So maybe somebody else will 483 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:16,600 really well. And there was news that came 484 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,900 down just a little bit ago that one of the three star recruits 485 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:24,500 Bubba Jeffries is going to. He's maintaining his commitment 486 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:27,900 to IU despite Hiller's firing which is important. 487 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:29,700 I mean, you know, and I think it's important. 488 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:34,200 Keep in mind, you know, you can, you need three star, offensive 489 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,800 line prospects. That's the level that Indiana is 490 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,100 going to be able to recruit at you. 491 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,500 Probably not going to get a lot higher than that, but you can 492 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,000 build with those folks. It's just a matter of as you 493 00:27:43,008 --> 00:27:46,400 were just talking about having a good setup for those players to 494 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,400 play in and having a consistent level of development as you go 495 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,600 forward. So we'll see what happens with 496 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,500 all of this as a big news. Obviously a news that a lot of 497 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,600 IU fans. I think we're hoping to hear and 498 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,300 waiting to hear. So any final thoughts Taylor, 499 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:05,000 before we wrap up, I just I'm just kind of excited to see 500 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,900 where the offensive line goes from here. 501 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,200 I'm I noticed yesterday that there is a little bit of a nerd. 502 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,300 So this earlier there's there is a little bit of some rotations 503 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,500 and with the offensive lineman in the middle of the game, it 504 00:28:15,508 --> 00:28:18,700 was very surprising to me and I was kind of encouraged by that 505 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:20,500 it seemed like they weren't sticking to what they were doing 506 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,800 before. So now that you know, Rod 507 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,500 carries the offensive line coach maybe Walt Bell has some 508 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,700 controlled that maybe he didn't have before something. 509 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200 I'm excited to see how all of this kind of changes the way 510 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,100 that the offensive line operates at a very basic level and then 511 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:38,500 what happens after the season. So yeah, I'm kind of a few a 512 00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:41,100 little more energized, even Oh, it's not going to be great this 513 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:42,300 season. The rest of the season, I feel 514 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,200 more in a little more energized about the offensive line. 515 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Yeah, I'm not expecting Miracles as we were talking about, but I 516 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,900 am interested to see if there are some tangible changes. 517 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:51,400 It may be. I mean, it's interesting because 518 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:58,100 they've got two games that are actually I think good to start 519 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,800 with, because it may end up giving this offensive line, a 520 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,800 feeling like they're getting better, even if they aren't 521 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,200 necessarily because, you know, Maryland just lost at home to 522 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,100 Purdue. That's not an unbeatable team by 523 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,900 any means Rutgers. Obviously is struggling quite a 524 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:13,700 bit. That's two, very winnable games. 525 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,900 You know, if you're able to come in and win both of those games 526 00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,100 that completely changes the outlook on the season and as we 527 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,700 talked about so much with this IU team, so much of their 528 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:29,300 playing, well tends to lean on them, seeing results of what 529 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,500 they're doing and feeling like they're making a difference. 530 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:35,800 And so the hope would be that perhaps with the timing is it is 531 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,600 right now, there's a chance that they can use that as a Runway 532 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,500 and and gain some altitude. Far as their play is concerned. 533 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:45,100 So anyway, Taylor I really appreciate you jumping on at the 534 00:29:45,108 --> 00:29:48,500 last second as I couldn't get a hold of Scott and I was like we 535 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,500 got to put something out but but thank you as always and we 536 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,800 appreciate your insights on stuff and look forward to 537 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,200 reading more of you as we move forward. 538 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:56,900 Yeah things have me on Galen is fun. 539 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:58,300 Absolutely. Thanks to all you folks for 540 00:29:58,308 --> 00:30:00,600 listening in. We'll be back later in the week 541 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200 with more IU football content as the Hoosiers. 542 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,300 Make a big change on their offensive coaching staff. 543 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:08,700 And we'll see what kinds of results. 544 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,800 If any that helps to produce For Taylor. 545 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,900 Layman. I'm Galen clavijo. 546 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,700 This is Crimson cast catching folks on the flip side, bring 547 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,000 back the Bison, so everybody