1 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,280 And good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Bison 2 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Chat. It is Tuesday, November 19th. 3 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,120 I'm GAIL and Clavio, Joe Cronin joining me again on the show. 4 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,000 We got the delightful Emily Fox in the background pushing the 5 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,880 buttons and making the magic happen as we are here for the 6 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,640 next 45 minutes plus to talk IU football. 7 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,560 It was a bye week, but that didn't mean that nothing 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,440 happened. A lot has happened and we are in 9 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,200 the midst of one of the biggest lead up weeks that we've ever 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,160 had in IU football. You can really excitement 11 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,080 building as Indiana gets ready for a top five matchup in 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Columbus in the shoe taking on the Ohio State Buckeyes. 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Joe, I I don't know about you, but it's hard for me to get my 14 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,120 head wrapped around the enormity of everything that's happening, 15 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,360 what happened this past weekend, and what Indiana is facing as 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,960 they head into Columbus this Saturday. 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,000 Yeah, I thought with Signetti's contract being signed like 9:00 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,560 AM on Saturday, it like it was almost like a middle finger to 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,640 them being on bye week. It's like I we're still going to 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,880 make it about ourselves and sign this historic deal, that big 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,480 contract solidifying him for eight years and what a time to 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,120 do it. I mean, had Big Noon 23 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,600 interviewing and stuff like that kept the attention. 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,560 I really like seeing the video when Signetti went to it was the 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,160 IU dance Marathon and, and he gave them a little speech and it 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,120 sounded exactly like, I imagine like, you know, his locker room 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,000 talk is before a game. It's like 1000 guys doing our 28 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,560 job. I was like, it's the same thing. 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,520 We hear like 11 guys doing our job. 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,320 It it it was just like this guy just bleeds coaching. 31 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,000 And you could tell that it's kind of translated into 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,080 different parts. But it's really cool to see him 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,920 embrace different parts of Bloomington outside of football. 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,960 Obviously with that first buy, we get still kind of hard. 35 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,680 You're 6 and O still figuring out the way of the land. 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,400 This one was like, this is one of the biggest fundraisers, 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,600 fundraisers not just in college, but in all the country. 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,320 A big staple of Bloomington said. 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,760 To see him embrace that in Year 1, I thought was very cool to 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,720 like the icing on the cake of signing the contract. 41 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Like he's here, yes, contract is there, but also like he's a part 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,320 of this culture that Bloomington is about. 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,480 I think it's a great point. I think most of the successful 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,160 football coaches, like the really successful ones, the ones 45 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,560 that build a program, they end up becoming very ingrained in 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,680 the culture of the university. And this is no different. 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,000 I mean, showing up at Dance Marathon, it's such a huge 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,480 event. I saw that same video and it was 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,840 like, it was just really cool. Not just not the speech itself, 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,600 but the speech itself was cool, don't get me wrong. 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,800 But the fact that he took the time to do it, which, you know, 52 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,400 you don't have to, but you know, especially leading into getting 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,200 that contract extension, like it was just this, this perfect 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,560 synergy in terms of everything. We got a lot to talk about on 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,400 the show. We're going to be talking about 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,400 the match up with Ohio State. We're going to do that a little 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,960 bit later in the show. But I do want to start off with 58 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,560 the contract extension. We covered this Scott and I did 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,880 on Crimson cast on Saturday. I, I made Scott get out of bed, 60 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,000 you know, in, in Westfield and, and, you know, I was yelling. 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,800 I was like, we got to get on, we got to do an emergency show. 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,440 People want to talk about this. And it was, it was one of those 63 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:34,080 things that I had a good suspicion Indiana was going to 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,760 sign Kurt Signetti to an extension. 65 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,680 I didn't think that that he was really going to go anywhere 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,160 else. I'd heard some inside material 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,800 that led me to believe that, you know, but still, the financial 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,640 terms of the deal aren't just great for Kurt Signetti and not 69 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,600 just great for Indiana football in the short term. 70 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,880 But from my perspective, from a historical perspective, what it 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,840 represents is an unprecedented investment in the football 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,640 program that Indiana has decided to make. 73 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,880 We talked about this when Tom Allen got his contract extension 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,080 after the 2020 season. You know, he his pay gets bumped 75 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,560 up to where he was making like close to $5,000,000 a year. 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,440 And that was the most by far that Indiana had ever paid a 77 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,680 coach. They paid some of his assistants 78 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,720 more than they'd ever paid assistance before. 79 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,280 Kurt Zignetti getting an $8 million a year contract with an 80 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,040 extra guaranteed million a year as a retention bonus. 81 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,600 You know, that $9 million a year figure that puts him in the 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,920 close to the top ten in football coaches across the country. 83 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,960 And Joe, like, it's not just that. 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,240 It's also an increase in the assistant pool. 85 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,720 We don't know how much. It's also a promise to continue 86 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,640 to upgrade the facilities. It's also a promise we're going 87 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,560 to continue to do NIL. We're going to continue to 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,120 increase that. I just keep coming back to how 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,560 much has changed with IU football from where we were last 90 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,720 year at this time. Everybody's despondent. 91 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:59,360 A lot of people think Tom Allen's going to still be here 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,960 or you know, for another year because his buy out was so big. 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,600 It's amazing to think of everything that's happened in 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,160 the last 365 days when it comes to IU athletics and IU football 95 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,000 specifically. Yeah, the fact that it's been 96 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,920 like less than a year for that too can from Alan Bean fired the 97 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,600 buyout to what has happened this tenant O start the historic 98 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,200 contract for Signetti. It shows I guess maybe the 99 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,480 vision that Scott Dolson had when he first took this athletic 100 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,560 director job. And sometimes it takes Rd. bumps 101 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,320 or speed blocks to get to that point. 102 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,160 And it seems like those things, the pieces are starting to align 103 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,360 more. And yes, the ambition of year 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,840 one of the 63 year old head coach to hand them a big old 88 105 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,800 year $8 million contract with the 1,000,000 each year bonus. 106 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,600 That's ambitious, especially he's played 10 games of of 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,480 sample size. But now there's an expectation 108 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 and I think there is a strong confidence that, you know, 109 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,840 trickles from head coach to athletic director to president. 110 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,000 I think they all believe that this isn't some fluke. 111 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,800 This is something that is real. Yes, he brought in a lot of his 112 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,440 guys, but you have to imagine, regardless of what happens the 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,240 rest of the season, Indian is going to be one of the hot 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,920 markets for any transfer around the country, especially the 115 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Power 5 level. I mean, if he's shown anything, 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,040 it's that he can make these guys at me or at the Group of Five 117 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,840 level like he could. These guys that maybe have not 118 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,200 had the chance at the top level and he's proven to make them 119 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,960 high in caliber, potential draft picks, put them on the 120 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,640 spotlight. So I think it's good overall for 121 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,200 the football team to lock them in. 122 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Obviously, there's some outside chatter for the Twitter world 123 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,760 saying, oh, Florida, but the Napier was guaranteed to stay at 124 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,240 least another year for the state. 125 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,840 But who knows what's going on there going back to his home 126 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,840 West Virginia, stuff like that. But when it it was all said and 127 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:49,160 done, I just noticed his demeanor and his investment even 128 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,240 before like going to a dance marathon. 129 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,160 It was like the UCLA game when he just embraced all the answer 130 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,200 is like this seems real. Like he's he's noticing the 131 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,880 effort that the the outside perspective is putting in to him 132 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,880 being there. So I think good, good all 133 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,680 around, all parties. Yeah, it's really interesting 134 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 because I think ultimately and and let's let's just hear from 135 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Signetti himself. Like he talked about the 136 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,640 extension and why he wanted to re sign with Indiana. 137 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,840 We've got some sound on that. You know, some people say, well, 138 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 you know, why would you do that when you know, this one may 139 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,000 open, that one may open, you know, and you're going to be a 140 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,720 hot commodity and blah, blah, blah. 141 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,680 And the fact that matter is we're the emerging superpower in 142 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,360 college football. Why would I leave? 143 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,640 I'm excited about our future. We've done a lot of good things, 144 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,760 got a lot of people behind us and this is where I wanted to 145 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,960 be. I played the What if game with 146 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:50,440 my wife and my agent 3 weeks ago. 4 weeks ago and it all 147 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,760 pointed to where I'm at right now. 148 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,480 I mean, first of all, it's really gratifying that a guy 149 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,920 who's clearly got this guy's level of ability as a head coach 150 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,160 gets hired at a place and feels the love, it feels the support 151 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,400 and feels strongly enough about sticking around. 152 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 And his wife feels the same way. You know, as much as we've heard 153 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 for years and years like no one wants to coach football at IU or 154 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,160 nobody wants to live in Bloomington, that does not seem 155 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,600 to be the case in either of these circumstances. 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,480 And that's really exciting. But I loved, I loved the 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,200 emerging superpower in college football quote cause it, it 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,480 bothered so many people. Like I saw so many comments on, 159 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,679 on social media who were like, all right, this is no longer 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,440 funny, you know, and it's, there's two things about it. 161 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,240 A it is, it's hilarious because you, you, you could take it as 162 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,560 if he was, he was saying it seriously, or you could also 163 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,760 take it tongue in cheek, which I think it clearly was tongue in 164 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,760 cheek to some degree. But that kind of statement, 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,000 especially the way he delivers it, it instills a level of 166 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,240 confidence and a feeling of self worth in a fan base that just 167 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,120 simply has never had either of those things. 168 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,560 I mean, and with students, especially Joe, last thing I'll 169 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:07,880 say like that fires students up when they hear that. 170 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,680 And when they that to the people at other schools like it is, it 171 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,840 might seem like boastfulness, but it's really bravado, and 172 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,600 bravado is what sells in sports. I mean, I will say on the 173 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,120 student side, there is a lot of out of state kids that go to 174 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,080 Indiana and especially freshmen that this is their first ever 175 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,720 view of IU football. So their first ever vision of IU 176 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,000 football is A10 to no season with this Uber confident head 177 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 coach. But I will say this is a guy 178 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,120 that's been calling his shot since the moment he got to 179 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,600 campus. I mean go back to Big 10 media 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,520 days where he he's making a comment, he's like we're picked 181 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,680 to finish 17th. That's happened two other times 182 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,440 we've come out on top of the conference. 183 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,600 When that happens, this is time #3 And look where they are right 184 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,440 now. I mean, they're, they're 185 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,000 guaranteed a top four finish in an 18 team conference, the 186 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,920 arguable one or two conference in the entire landscape of 187 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,600 college football. So they've done The Dirty work 188 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 so far. And he is called his shot from 189 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,680 the get go. And I think that's just so 190 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,160 impressive. There's so much confidence and I 191 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,240 mean, that's where it starts. If you don't believe, you can't 192 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,600 make it happen. And he believes and is making it 193 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,040 happen well. Yeah. 194 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,240 And that's the thing, like so much of this ends up getting 195 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,720 wrapped up in this idea of what are you doing? 196 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,600 Like, what's what's your program stand for and why should people 197 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,520 care? And it's always been so hard to 198 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,080 answer that question for Indiana. 199 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,760 And Signetti has no problem highlighting exactly what the 200 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,720 program stands for and why people should care. 201 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,920 And he wants people out there and the connection that's 202 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,080 growing between him and the fan base already. 203 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,680 We've seen it at Rd. Games. 204 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,800 We see it in these interviews. It's it's what makes this whole 205 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,360 thing so special. And you know, it's not just that 206 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,640 they signed a coach to an extension and you you mentioned 207 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,760 about like the group of five coaches and like maybe this 208 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,080 gives some of them some shots that they might not have had 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 otherwise. The thing with Signeti, I think 210 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,240 it's going to be fascinating to watch is how many people are 211 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,520 going to revisit their hiring practice and say, how did we 212 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,840 miss this guy? Like, how did how did this guy? 213 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,400 How is this guy sitting there for years? 214 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,480 And of all the Power Five programs, only Indiana thought, 215 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,640 you know what, let's hand this guy the keys and see what he 216 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,640 does. I'm really fascinated to see how 217 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,640 that process goes. I I also think with that point, 218 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:31,680 he might ruin in a sense the the hiring process because now these 219 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,560 other teams are going to have this expectations that they can 220 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,920 go from 3:00 and 9:00 to 10:00 and O. 221 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:43,160 That's not how it works usually 95% of the time, maybe even 222 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,640 more. This is a rare occurrence in 223 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,000 sports, not just college football, but in sports in 224 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,080 general. That much of A turn around. 225 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,400 I understand the amount of player turnover, but their 226 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:00,680 ability to just jump into like from Sunbelt to Big 10 has been 227 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,560 incredible up to this point. I mean, just like a hypothetical 228 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,880 if Mike Norville over at Florida State gets fired for this 229 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,600 awesome season that Florida State's having right now and 230 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,720 they go out and and grab, I'm not sure maybe Boise State's 231 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,400 coach is on the market something like that. 232 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Are they, is their expectation right away to have this kind of 233 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,720 immediate success? I I'm not sure what what, what 234 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,640 the landscape of of this new head coach hiring process will 235 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:28,680 be. And I think will be interesting 236 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,360 and I think I think in the future, we're going to see more 237 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,000 coaches fired within two years. And you're going to start to see 238 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,000 kind of like how the NBA works, like where the job security is 239 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,920 just going to get worse. And that's how it starts right 240 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,560 there. I mean, you set a tone. 241 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,800 And obviously I'm making a very bold prediction right there. 242 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,960 That's fine. That's what we expect from you, 243 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,960 Jerry. That's why you're on the show. 244 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,320 You're you're the wild card. All right? 245 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,080 I'm the boring conservative guy here. 246 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,440 No, I'm kidding. Let's switch gears a little bit. 247 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,560 It was the bye week and that was welcome not just for Indiana, 248 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:01,080 but for a lot of other programs and really comes at an opportune 249 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,320 time, I think for Indiana given their next opponent. 250 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,360 Let's hear what Coach Signetti had to say on that front. 251 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,720 In terms of the bye week, I think across college football, 252 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,240 everybody's hurting a little bit at this point, right? 253 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,240 Even when you're playing every play in the game, you've got 254 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,880 something. The off week came at a great 255 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,440 time because it was a physical football game. 256 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,280 We've played a number of games in a row and it was good for 257 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,120 everybody to catch a breather and get refreshed and recharged 258 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,160 and gave us a little extra time on the next opponent. 259 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,360 And you need the time on the next opponent, when the next 260 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,800 opponent is Ohio State and they're ranked, you know, second 261 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,600 in the country. And you're, you know, you 262 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,000 haven't beaten Ohio State since 1988. 263 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,360 I mean, there's there's so much about this game that needs 264 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,280 attention and some of it I think Joe comes to you look at the 265 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,360 Michigan game. Indiana wins that game, gets to 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,560 10 and O, but you know, they lose Miles Price to an injury. 267 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:57,840 It sounds like he's going to be back. 268 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,240 But they kind of lost their offense in the second-half of 269 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,760 that game. Like Michigan figured some 270 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,360 things out, made it really hard for Indiana to move the ball. 271 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,320 They did when they absolutely had to at the end of the game. 272 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,720 But you've seen that game, the Washington game, like a couple 273 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,960 of games now in a row against physical competition, which Ohio 274 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,240 State certainly is, where Indiana started to struggle in 275 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,080 the offensive phase. And so, you know, to me, this 276 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,360 coaching staff is so smart. You know, both sides. 277 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,240 You know, MM Shanahan and Tino Cinceri on the offensive side, 278 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Brian Haynes and his staff on the defensive side. 279 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,520 They're going to get 2 weeks to go back, look at what's working, 280 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,160 look at what's been sussed out on film, look at what Ohio 281 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,920 State's doing and what's worked against them. 282 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,280 And they're going to be able to game plan for this entire time. 283 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Whereas Ohio State, like they had to play Northwestern this 284 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,520 last week and they've got Michigan next week. 285 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,640 They're they're kind of stuck in this spot where they have to pay 286 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,040 attention to Indiana, but they don't get to pay as much 287 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,920 attention as Indiana's getting to pay to them. 288 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,600 I do think they are catching a slight break that Michigan's 289 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,760 having the season they're having. 290 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,320 If Michigan was, you know, in the 8-9 win category, this could 291 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,440 be a dangerous scenario for Ohio State because of the way they 292 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,440 played against Michigan these past couple seasons. 293 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,160 And just knowing that, I mean, the entire fan base of Ohio 294 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,600 State would be calling for Ryan's day job to be torched if 295 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,720 they lost to Michigan again, which would be interesting, 296 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,880 especially this year. But I will say again, we talked 297 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,560 about it last week. The bye week just came at a 298 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,200 perfect time. Like you said, Miles Price goes 299 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,280 down. It just seems like a lot of 300 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,240 physical games in the row. Curtis Schwartz misses that 301 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Washington game. He's, you know, a few weeks 302 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,040 removed from surgery, gets another week and two full weeks 303 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,320 to kind of get back at that throwing motion more intact. 304 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,000 Get a feel for how everything's feeling with his thumb, because 305 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,720 that's the most important appendage of when you're 306 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,240 throwing a football is. The thumb in general is. 307 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,360 Pretty important. I don't know if I would just. 308 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Want to but like I'm saying of the of the fingers the thumb is 309 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,720 probably the most important but like some people don't call 310 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,640 thumb a finger so I just said appendage. 311 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,240 Fair enough. I I'm. 312 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,480 A doctor. I don't know, I, I, I'm in 313 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,400 sports media. I'm I'm not in the Med school. 314 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,000 Well, all good. I, I appreciate your thought 315 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,400 process on that. But no all of that is right. 316 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,320 And I think also for Indiana, one of the things that's really 317 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,480 going to be fascinating and, and maybe the thing that ultimately 318 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,360 decides the game is can you slow Ohio State's offense down? 319 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,640 And, you know, as good as the defensive line especially has 320 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,840 played recently, the way that they disrupted Michigan, they 321 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,040 had Michigan had the worst running game they've had all 322 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,640 year against Indiana. And and that's saying something 323 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:36,960 because they're a really good running team. 324 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,920 As much as these members of the secondary have really started to 325 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,920 kind of increase in, in their quality of play, the defense is 326 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,400 really going to be zeroing in on what Ohio State tries to do. 327 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,560 And it's a tough assignment cause Ohio State's a really 328 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,280 athletic and good team. But what's really exciting is 329 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,640 that they're going to have all of this time to work through it. 330 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,160 And I am, for one, very fascinated to see how all of 331 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,400 this plays out as we go into this bye. 332 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,440 We or gonna come out of the bye, we can go into the game. 333 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Yeah, I, I was taking deep dives into watching Ohio State film, 334 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,560 looking at their stats side by side, Indiana stats, they're 335 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,400 very similar. And IU, IU has the nod in some 336 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,079 like very glare, like the points, the red zone touchdowns. 337 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:24,960 That is like unreal. Like IU is first by a lot in 338 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,480 their red zone performance, red zone touchdowns this season. 339 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,880 Doctor Joe Cronin, I guess that's my new label. 340 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,240 I don't want my doctor quite yet. 341 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,120 That's a long time in the works. Maybe one day. 342 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:40,400 Like Jugie Howser, but the sports media version. 343 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,320 So yeah. I'm not sure a little. 344 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,880 Old for you, but they go on. One thing about Ohio State that 345 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,760 I do that could be a concern with Indiana is something I 346 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,520 noticed in the IU Michigan game is there were some balls that 347 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,160 were open in the middle of the field kind of that second level 348 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,720 looking for the tight end and Davis Warren just missed it 349 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,040 overthrew him way to the side. And I do think Will Howard is 350 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,240 he's, I mean, he's one of the better quarterbacks in the 351 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,000 conference. I'd say top five, top four, 352 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,080 whether or not with Drew Aller, where, wherever your rankings 353 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,200 are, I'm not really sure. But accuracy wise, he's above 354 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,400 70%. He's thrown over 20 touchdowns. 355 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,560 He's top 4IN yards and also has two of the best receivers in the 356 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,600 entire conference, yet alone the country. 357 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,200 There's your area of concern right there because defensive 358 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,800 line, I do think I will be able to get in their backfield and 359 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,080 limit the rushing attack, which is crazy to think 'cause they 360 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,920 have Quinch on Quinch on Judkins and Trayvon Henderson. 361 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,280 But I just think, you know, James Carpenter, Michael Camara 362 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,000 have just been feasting all season long. 363 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,720 They feasting against a very good Michigan offensive line and 364 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,400 that Ohio State offensive line is similar, right around the 365 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,320 same tier. I think that will be fine. 366 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,040 It's really that second level secondary, the line back of the 367 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,160 past defense that could be some areas of concern. 368 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,080 Definitely going to have eyes out for that. 369 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,000 We'll see if the pass rush can force Howard into some, you 370 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,400 know, sacks, throw away, stuff like that. 371 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,520 But that's the first thing that I noticed when when seeing the 372 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,880 Ohio State offense thriving. Indiana's offense has, you know, 373 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,680 had some really good experiences, obviously, but but 374 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,480 has had some fits and starts over the course of the last few 375 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,160 games. I'm really fascinated to see, 376 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,080 you know, what does Indiana lean on Now? 377 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,720 There's there's one big thing that has not been talked about 378 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,040 yet in relation to this game, and I think it's worth bringing 379 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,760 up right now. Now, these things can change, as 380 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,120 we know, but I just want to note the weather forecast right now 381 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:37,240 for Columbus right now, 47, but with a wind chill of 39 W 382 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,600 northwest winds of 14 miles an hour with gusts to 27, a 60% 383 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,280 chance of precipitation, not a huge amount of precipitation, 384 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,520 but it's going to be cloudy. It's going to be ugly. 385 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,240 There's kind of competing arguments on this. 386 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,160 We had Dane Sansenbacher on the podcast earlier today, and one 387 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,520 of the things that he talked about was he felt that that was 388 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,120 an advantage for Indiana because it kind of levels the playing 389 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,200 field. It it, it takes away some of the 390 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,920 home field advantage, it'll take the crowd out of it a little bit 391 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,560 if it's that nasty. Taylor Lehman, in our preview 392 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,760 later on this week, has really felt like Indiana might have a 393 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,480 chance to test. This passing defense for Ohio 394 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,160 State, given you've got 5 functional, not dysfunctional, 395 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,600 but really good receivers and a quarterback in Curtis work that 396 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,240 can get the ball to them. So I don't know what that 397 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,240 forecast means. We have seen Indiana play in 398 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,880 these conditions kind of so far this year. 399 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,480 It was warmer, but Maryland was not. 400 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,240 Nice conditions versus Ohio State really hasn't played in 401 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,160 conditions like this at all so far this year. 402 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,880 So interesting twist in terms of what exactly might you might 403 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,360 expect from this game and and how that might affect what you 404 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,640 were expecting. Well, the first thing I did 405 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,200 notice is how at least you've given me an alert of how I need 406 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,920 to dress for being on the sidelines. 407 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,680 Cause the reason I had I you, you would show up in like 408 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,440 shorts. No, no. 409 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,400 No, no, I'm not. I'm not showing up in shorts, 410 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 not showing up in shorts all year, But I did. 411 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,280 It was last year, it was at Michigan. 412 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:05,560 It was their fall break. It was the what, 52 to 7, 413 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,600 something like that. It was like 40 and rainy and I 414 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,160 had a short sleeve shirt on and like pants and I was like, this 415 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,120 is horrible. What have I done to myself 416 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,360 anyways, regardless of that with the weather? 417 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,960 It. Kind of goes into, it kind of 418 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,920 goes into what I just said with Ohio State's passing game, that 419 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,320 kind of takes it away a little bit. 420 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,240 And I think IU will be able to run the ball well enough 421 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,640 because, again, Justice Ellison and Tyson Luton are great 422 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,840 running backs. That offensive line for IU has 423 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,520 just been so good. And with the noise, I'm going to 424 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 counter that. The noise is going to be there. 425 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Ryan Day talked to his press conference today and he was 426 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,120 like, this is the chance to show the country that these are what 427 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,600 he said, the best damn fans in all the land they're gonna fill 428 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,880 110,000 and this is an IU. This is an IU team that has not 429 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,800 seen a stadium like that outside of a select few guys. 430 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,600 But all those guys are on the offensive line. 431 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,400 That's why I think the offensive line will be fine. 432 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,960 Here's well, you're probably right on that, but the the 433 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,960 interesting thing about that, that's the second time that I 434 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,760 know of this week that Ryan Day has had to say something to the 435 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,640 fans about being loud. And this is, it's interesting to 436 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,800 think about because what, you know, this happens in Michigan a 437 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,240 lot, but it actually doesn't get that loud there because the fans 438 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,720 are just kind of expecting wins and they only get really fired 439 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,640 up against opponents that they feel like they need to get fired 440 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,160 up against. Ohio State, They got Michigan 441 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,520 next week. You need no 'cause to get fired 442 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,720 up for that. You got Penn State normally 443 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,680 comes in, you can get fired up for that. 444 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,640 Indiana's hard to get fired up for if you're fans and it's a 445 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,520 noon game, you know, there's a lot of these things where you're 446 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,160 just kind of like, well, it, it's, it might not be as 447 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,680 compelling of an environment, it'll still be nuts with 110,000 448 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,600 people in there. But there's levels to these 449 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,520 things. And it does make me wonder, 450 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,880 like, can Indiana get out to a fast start against Ohio State? 451 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Can they try to take the crowd out of it a little bit or at 452 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,040 least make them nervous 'cause if they can, they'll you add in 453 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,480 the weather conditions, you add in the fact it's a noon kick 454 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,200 like that starts to have some impacts. 455 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,600 Absolutely. And something with crowd is 456 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,680 always like the pre snap penalties, getting the snap off 457 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,520 and I want to go back to it. IU center Mike Kadik, he's been 458 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,240 at IU for six years. He has played at Penn State, he 459 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,360 has played at Ohio City, he's played at Michigan. 460 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,640 If there's anyone that will be comfortable snapping the ball 461 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,800 like that is about the perfect option you can have. 462 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,280 And I think like that might negate some of the pre snap 463 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,560 problems that you might expect a team that hasn't gone into an 464 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,600 environment like this. But I will say, I think Ohio 465 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,080 State understands what's on the line. 466 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,800 I think their fan base understands what's on the line 467 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,080 because if they lose, they are not in the Big 10 championship 468 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,120 and they are now fringe. Now they are traveling for a 469 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,520 playoff game. Like like they're at the late at 470 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,360 the end side of the playoffs. So they know what's on the line 471 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,800 for this. And I mean, I think Ryan Day 472 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,760 understands like another loss in the regular season, although 473 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,320 like he's had a terrific regular season record. 474 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,320 He has 9 losses in his six years that that's fantastic just with 475 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,480 the weight of that job. His job security now just goes 476 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,120 way down the drain if he loses to Indiana. 477 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,560 So I think there is a lot on the line with this team. 478 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,480 They spent $20 million on this roster. 479 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,560 So I think the fans will show up for that. 480 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,720 We've got the College Football Playoff reveal going on right 481 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,800 now. I'm going to fill in the 482 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,760 rankings that we've seen so far. We got Illinois at 25th which is 483 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,000 a surprise. I'm baffled at the love for 484 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,360 Illinois. I I look at this. 485 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,680 Just what they want to do. They want to get one more Big 10 486 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,000 team in there. They're tied out. 487 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,800 Too bad. Five top five or four top five 488 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,320 teams. UNOV at 24, Mizzou at 23. 489 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,520 Another one I don't really get. Iowa. 490 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Should not be ranked. Oh my. 491 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,800 Iowa State 22. Arizona State 21. 492 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,440 Tulane 20 and then we got Army at 19. 493 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760 That's a really interesting one for a couple of reasons. 494 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:08,280 South Carolina at 18, Clemson at 17 and then Colorado comes in at 495 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,520 16. So, you know, not a lot that is 496 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,840 I guess shocking in that other than I don't, I still don't 497 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,840 understand the infatuation with Missouri. 498 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,880 But this is kind of holding serve based upon what we thought 499 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,640 we were going to see with all of this. 500 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Perhaps a little bit of a surprise that the the two teams 501 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,520 in the American Army in Tulane are that close together and that 502 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,520 could have some implications down the line, which we'll talk 503 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,440 about here shortly. Texas A&M at 15th, which is 504 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,560 exactly where they were in the last rankings. 505 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,640 And again, that's going to be an interesting one because they get 506 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,440 to play Texas later. BYU drops 8 spots. 507 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:55,360 So BYU now 14th in the rankings and I believe they are the still 508 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:59,440 at this point the they are the highest rated and projected Big 509 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,320 12 champ. But that would mean if I'm doing 510 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,040 my math properly that they would not have a buy, they would be 511 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,000 the 5th conference champion. Because this appear that what 512 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,320 they've done here is they put Boise State ahead of BYU, which 513 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,600 means Boise State will get the fourth seed and there is no 514 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,720 fifth seed there means no, there's no 5th, there's no 5th 515 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,880 buy is what I'm saying. So that would mean BYU, if they 516 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,680 are indeed the highest ranked Big 12 team, would be 12th in 517 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,880 the bracket. SMU moves ahead of BYU in this, 518 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,280 even though interestingly enough, BYU beat SMU earlier in 519 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,600 the season as Sam Newcomb just pointed out in the in the chat. 520 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,480 But no SMU at 13th and they continue to like slowly creep up 521 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800 the rankings. That's good news for the ACC Joe 522 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,080 Joe might be frozen, so we're going to wait to see. 523 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,160 No, he's back. There he is. 524 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,640 It just unfroze. It just unfroze. 525 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,680 I I'm not going to lie, I kind of missed the question. 526 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,360 That's fine. We're going to move forward. 527 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:10,320 Boise State is 12th in this. And so that means that if I'm 528 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,720 doing my math correct, I don't think the 11th ranked team is in 529 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,120 the playoff right now. This is this is interesting. 530 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,160 So Boise State moves up one, they're in 12th. 531 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Let's see what the 11th spot ends up being revealed as. 532 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,680 Here we're just taking a a dramatic pause for everybody and 533 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,920 it's Tennessee. So Tennessee drops 4 spots after 534 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,120 that loss to Georgia. So now they are 11th in the 535 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:44,000 rankings at 8:00 and 2:00. We're going to move into the top 536 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,440 10. Georgia only moves up two spots. 537 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,760 A lot of people thought Georgia was going to move up a lot more 538 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600 than this, but Georgia ends up being 10th in the rankings. 539 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,680 They only climb up two spots. I would argue that's very good 540 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,000 news for Indiana for reasons we can talk about later. 541 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,160 Ole Miss also moves up two spots. 542 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,120 And I guess they're trying to keep the logical consistency of 543 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,840 the fact that Ole Miss beat Georgia and therefore should be 544 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,200 ahead of Georgia, which means we all need to be rooting for 545 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,880 Florida to knock off Ole Miss. I think that's the logical 546 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,840 conclusion of that line of thought #8 is Miami, who moves 547 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,920 up a spot. All right, so this is this is 548 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,280 trending in a positive direction because again, and I think we we 549 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,400 keep losing Joe, he's having some Internet issues. 550 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,560 But this is interesting because Miami is a one loss team without 551 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,040 any real good wins is still 8th ahead of those two SEC teams. 552 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,600 And I think that's a really important point. 553 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,360 Alabama up three spots to 7th. So they have decided that 554 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,920 Alabama's resume with the win over Georgia is more impressive 555 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,200 than Ole Miss's win over Georgia because of the rest of Alabama's 556 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,720 schedule, probably because they beat LSU, Notre Dame up two 557 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,080 spots. They go to 6th. 558 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,920 This means Indiana is is top five in this. 559 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,640 This is pretty wild. There they are Indiana, they're 560 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,160 fifth. They stick around in the top 561 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:16,280 five. And Emily, you want to hop on 562 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,120 since Joe's not on anymore. No, we got a big no from Emily 563 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,960 on that one. I don't know. 564 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,600 I can't hear. I'm certain that Greg McElroy is 565 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040 saying something stupid about Indiana or, or, or or Joey 566 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Galloway. Somebody, someone ought to fill 567 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,480 me in later on this. But Indiana does not jump Penn 568 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,880 State. So Penn State's going to stick 569 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,960 around. And they're going to still be, 570 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000 I'm assuming in fourth place in this ranking. 571 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,320 I, I, I got to tell you folks, I really think the fact Indiana's 572 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,600 fifth with this record, with their current strength of 573 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,280 schedule, which is actually going to get better regardless 574 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,880 of what happens in that Ohio State game. 575 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,080 This is really good news for Indiana. 576 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240 The fact that they are still 5th in the rankings. 577 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,920 And I think we're going to, we got it. 578 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,520 OK, good. We got Joe back, Trent saying 579 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,360 what I was not surprised to hear they said IU just has to keep it 580 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,040 close against Ohio State to stay in. 581 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,080 I don't know if they need to keep it close. 582 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,600 I mean, if they cause again, it's like it would be helpful to 583 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,360 keep it close. But I mean, what is close? 584 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Define close To me is close like 2 touchdowns if that's the case. 585 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,280 Yeah, I think they know that's that's certainly doable. 586 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,160 And then Texas third, Ohio State 2nd and Oregon first. 587 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,000 If I'm doing my math right here, I think this means Indiana is is 588 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,800 once again the seven seed because of this screwy 589 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,560 bracketing process they've got where they're putting teams in. 590 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,400 So, yeah, so as we look at the way that they're going to 591 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,800 bracket this rounding here, and I'm sorry for those of you who 592 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,720 aren't watching, who are listening to the broadcast after 593 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:56,640 the fact, you're going to have Oregon is your number one seed, 594 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Texas is your two seed, Miami is your three seed and Boise State 595 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,680 is your four. And then BYU, who's 14th would 596 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,640 be the 12. And there's a comment in the in 597 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,680 the in the in the chat about Indiana playing BYU. 598 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,560 That's not the way that these will actually work. 599 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,840 And and here's why. Because the top seeded remaining 600 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,680 team in this mix is actually Ohio State. 601 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,320 So Ohio State would be the five, Penn State would be the six, 602 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920 Indiana would be the seven as the seven. 603 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,880 Indiana would match up against Texas in the second round were 604 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,560 they to win that game. And I believe that this also, 605 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,160 well, let's let's just watch the bracket. 606 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,040 Eventually they're going to pop all of them in there we are. 607 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,320 So the Indiana as the seven, Notre Dame as the 8, even though 608 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,920 they're the 6th overall seed because of the the power 609 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,040 rankings, which means again, we'd have a match up where 610 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,240 Indiana would be playing Alabama in the first round in Memorial 611 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,000 Stadium in Bloomington. No, I'm sorry, I was wrong. 612 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Alabama would play Notre Dame, Indiana would play Ole Miss, 613 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,240 Penn State would play Georgia, and Ohio State would play BYU. 614 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,440 So we've traded out Kaylin de Boer for a rematch with Lane 615 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,440 Kiffin from the Outback Bolger. What are your thoughts on the 616 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,080 reveal as it sits right now? You know, I, I didn't expect 617 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,240 much motion from the top five considering they didn't lose or 618 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,200 they didn't play. Obviously with the SEC doing SEC 619 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960 things this year, there's going to be a lot of shake up. 620 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,840 I mean, Ole Miss is it's, they're such an interesting 621 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,280 team. I think their ceiling is very 622 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,920 high. Their ceiling is a team that can 623 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:42,680 make a run, but their floor has also been some 2 not great 624 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120 losses. I will say they do have the best 625 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,680 defensive line in the country. They have like 46 sacks and 10 626 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,680 games, which is ridiculous. They're just living in opponents 627 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,840 backfields, which is that is if they come to Bloomington, that 628 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,600 would be #1 area right there. And then obviously you can look 629 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,640 at some of the offensive guys like Jackson darts, a good 630 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,440 quarterback, a proven quarterback's been been there 631 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360 for a while. But I think solid rankings. 632 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,640 I do like, you know, punishing teams for losing, like BYU not 633 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,840 giving them that automatic buy. And I think the big 12's going 634 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240 to be really interesting because I think Colorado honestly could 635 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,960 be the team that comes out of the Big 12. 636 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,280 I think they're more talented than BYU, which would you know, 637 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,560 that's giving Boise State a little bye week that's fought 638 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,680 Ash and Genti with some rest. That is that's a dangerous side 639 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,400 Espe. I mean, sure, the team that's 640 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,440 going to play Boise State's going to be like, Oh my, it's 641 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Boise State, but I mean Ash and Genti and it's one of the best 642 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,480 players in all college football. I'd be I'd be scared after 643 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,440 giving that guy some rest. Well, you know, looking at 644 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160 these, these overall rankings and some of the things to think 645 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,360 about, I, I, I'm going to keep going back to what I've said 646 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,960 before, which is that the, the committee is clearly preferring 647 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,440 different things. OK, we're talking about Indiana 648 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440 again on the, on the broadcast that Indiana it like needs a 649 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,440 special episode done on them at this point. 650 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,120 I. Think they do Same with like 651 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,040 Monday Night Football. I need to hear a little bit more 652 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,320 about what's going on with with this conversation. 653 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,679 So maybe the chat can help with that a little bit. 654 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,280 You know, so Booger apparently said if IU doesn't play well 655 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,679 against Ohio State, they aren't guaranteed a playoff spot. 656 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,800 OK, fair enough. You know, this is one of those 657 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,719 things where I think you can look at, you know, how do you 658 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360 how do we measure what other teams have done and and where 659 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,199 are we willing or not willing to punish those other teams? 660 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,400 If Indiana loses by 14 to Ohio State, they wouldn't cover. 661 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:39,719 But I'll note Tennessee lost by 14 points to Georgia this past 662 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,840 weekend. They're still in the hunt. 663 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,639 Clearly, they're not in the playoff right now. 664 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920 But you know, look, I think there's no question Indiana 665 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,360 needs to show that they can compete against Ohio State. 666 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,159 What that ultimately means from a final numbers perspective is 667 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,560 really going to be interesting to see how that susses out. 668 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,480 But I will say, I think the committee is giving Indiana and 669 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,160 its resume a lot more credence than the national conversation 670 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,840 has been around Indiana. And that's refreshing because 671 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,360 you look at this again, it's like you've got your 4 SEC 672 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:17,320 teams, you know, you've got the, as they do a, a, a resume 673 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,600 comparison with these three. And again, they, you know, I'm 674 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200 glad they're at least putting strength of record in as a as 675 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,720 the top stat and not strength of schedule 'cause it does 676 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,320 highlight some things, but also highlights like Texas's best two 677 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,040 wins or Vanderbilt in Arkansas and Indiana's 2. 678 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,280 Wins. Yeah. 679 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,120 But I do think from, you know, from Indiana's perspective, if 680 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,720 you look at this, you say, all right, even with everything 681 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,160 that's happened up to this point, they've got, you know, 682 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,440 Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, in that order. 683 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,560 All those teams have two losses and at least one of them is 684 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,840 guaranteed to have an additional loss because chances are, you 685 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,080 know, Alabama, Georgia is probably going to be the SEC 686 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,040 title game or Texas, you know, could be in there. 687 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,280 I guess would be that'd be the more likely scenario, Texas 688 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,960 versus one of those. But that means that you're going 689 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,080 to have another team probably drop out of the running because 690 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,280 they're going to have three losses. 691 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,040 There's just a lot of things that are are adding up well for 692 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,440 Indiana as far as I'm concerned because it's showing as you see 693 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,520 with how they've got Miami ranked 8th a loss. 694 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,360 As long as you're not going to get blown out, I don't think 695 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,080 it's going to kill Indiana in this mix. 696 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,320 They do have. They have done enough, based 697 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160 upon what the committee is preferring thus far in all of 698 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,040 this. I do want to point out 699 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,280 apparently Joey Galloway to pull up this comment said that Curtis 700 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,560 work should not play what this is I'm getting I'm getting 701 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,640 buzzed and clearly one of one of the viewers saw that I don't 702 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,080 even know how to process that. I mean like. 703 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,760 I I'm ready for Tyler Cherry to take over college football. 704 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640 I'm just not sure it should happen right now, I think. 705 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,880 I think what he's. Saying is like don't risk him 706 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,560 like a loss is in but I, I, I think that mentality is 707 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,680 incredibly. I mean, I don't understand how 708 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,440 one week you can say IU doesn't deserve to be ranked like this. 709 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,080 They haven't. Played. 710 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,560 No, don't play your starter quarterback, Yeah. 711 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,000 No, don't play your starters. That's. 712 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,880 The the moment they play their their top competition, which 713 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640 that is wow. I I will say. 714 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,480 Yes, go on. I was having a conversation with 715 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,280 with my roommate Zach and it was like I could imagine like 2-3 716 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,200 years down the road if they kind of keep the same format that 717 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,280 there's going to get a point like the the final week of the 718 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,960 season is almost traded like the final week of the NFL season 719 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,760 where it's like if team is in comfortably and can just take 720 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,720 their loss, you're going to arrest their guys. 721 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,320 This is where maybe even miss out of a championship to avoid 722 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040 another lot like something like it's. 723 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040 Interesting. They may wanna do what they 724 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,760 wanted to do during the COVID year but couldn't because of 725 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,680 COVID, which was they were gonna have the regular schedule and 726 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,080 then the final week of the season you were gonna have the 727 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200 Big 10 title game, but everybody else was gonna match up against 728 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,120 like an opponent that was essentially in the same echelon 729 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480 as they were. So everybody had to play. 730 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,520 And I think especially in a 12 team playoff era where the SEC 731 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,440 and the Big 10 are probably gonna be having three or four 732 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,560 teams minimum in every year, there's going to have to be some 733 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,840 kind of a change in terms of how we do all of this. 734 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,520 Because right now, if you're if you make it to the title game 735 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,360 and you lose, you're putting yourself in peril. 736 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,880 I mean, right now, like Alabama has got to be looking at it and 737 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,760 say, well, if we go to the SEC title game and we lose to Texas, 738 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,560 or if Georgia goes to the SEC title game and loses to Texas, 739 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,320 it's like when now you got 3 losses that should be 740 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,560 disqualified. You know, I mean, whatever you 741 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,760 want to say how good those teams are, Three losses should be 742 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,280 disqualified based upon the best upon the entire history of how 743 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680 college football is chosen to govern itself over the history 744 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,080 of time. I will say the only time that it 745 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,720 wasn't that was 2022, but that was it was TCU. 746 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,280 They were undefeated the regular season, lost to Kansas State in 747 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,440 the Big 12 championship and still got in at that fourth 748 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,720 spot. And I think the the argument it 749 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,760 was, I think USC, all they really needed to do was win the 750 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,480 PAC 12 championship against Utah. 751 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:25,080 But Cam rising in his seventh year at the time, I know it's 752 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,920 his 7th year now, but I'm making a joke about his age beat USC. 753 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,680 But that was that was the argument. 754 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,080 It was like they earn that spot that championship game. 755 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,160 So should the loss really be something that is punishing them 756 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,280 for making it to the top of the top? 757 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,560 That's where that's where it walks this fine line, like how 758 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,080 much more weight is a loss in the championship game as 759 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,840 compared to the regular season? I mean so good friend of the pod 760 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,440 and IE sports media along Stu Jackson just just texted me and 761 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,840 said this arguing on the CFP ranking show is ridiculous. 762 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,320 Also heard from Matt Blaska. Everyone is cherry picking and 763 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,400 that doesn't surprise me. This is the big issue I have. 764 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,920 It's like it's, I know that, you know, these guys are hired to 765 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,920 debate, but. It's not that hard to take a 766 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,200 holistic look at these things rather than just trying to be 767 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400 absolute on one team. Because most of the arguments 768 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,160 you make against Indiana, you could also make against Notre 769 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,320 Dame. Yet nobody's making them. 770 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,160 Like people want to criticize Indiana for having like, 771 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920 strength the schedule like 100th or 106th Notre Dame strength the 772 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,040 schedule is 86th. It's not like they've played a 773 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,800 murderer's row of teams so far this season. 774 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,560 Here's Heather Dennich on air. I can't. 775 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,240 You can only imagine what she's saying about Indiana. 776 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,840 But it'll be interesting as we as we see all this play out over 777 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,440 this next week or two. We got some other comments 778 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,840 coming in from Trent. We're also knocking Texas for 779 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,440 their best win being Vanderbilt and Notre Dame for their NIU 780 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,440 loss. Chris Fowler is undaunted. 781 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,240 Good. No, Heather, shockingly, Heather 782 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,200 is apparently daunted. I had no idea. 783 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,280 But yeah, look, The thing is ultimately, and and for those of 784 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,360 you who have been engaging in the discourse on social media 785 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,240 here over the last week, week and a half, it's only gonna get 786 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,720 worse. And it's fascinating, Joe. 787 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,000 And I've had this conversation with several people. 788 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,960 I was not expecting IU to break college football or break the 789 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,080 SEC. And that seems to be exactly 790 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,840 what they've done. I don't know that I've ever, I 791 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,360 mean, the Florida State arguments last year were kind of 792 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,000 vicious. I don't it was nowhere close to 793 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,400 what happens when IU decides to crash the party and and it's 794 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,400 really, really wild that all of this is coalescing the way that 795 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,480 it is. So I will say this from, from 796 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,880 someone who I, I've been very, you know, I was glued to college 797 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080 football ever since really the playoffs started because that's 798 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,400 kind of when you know, the frontal lobes starting to 799 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,760 develop a little more fell in love with the game. 800 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,040 Then I have noticed when things are out of the ordinary. 801 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,520 I, I have noticed when things are out of the ordinary in 802 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,880 college football, people get pissed. 803 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,840 Look at like when Alabama and Georgia and Alabama and Clemson 804 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,280 were winning their were winning their winning their titles. 805 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,200 No one's really bad and odd. Just let it happen. 806 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,880 Michigan wins. Everyone's pissed off. 807 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,400 Obviously they did do some sign steal and stuff like that 808 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,120 regardless, but I want to go back to 2021-2022. 809 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,760 Cincinnati makes the College Football Playoff and everyone is 810 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,120 bent out of shape that an undefeated team made the College 811 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,360 Football Playoff. That competition was there. 812 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,280 Yes, they lose big to Alabama, but how are you going to know 813 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,760 without giving these teams these shots that that's that's what it 814 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,440 all comes down to. And then the next year with TCU, 815 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,400 they beat Michigan in the semifinals and they get boat 816 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,240 raced in a not good game against Georgia and one of the toughest 817 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,400 watch of any national championship I've ever seen or 818 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,840 any final I've ever seen. But still, how are you not going 819 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,280 to give them that shot when it they had earned it and had even 820 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,600 made it to the next level? It it, it's become the norm 821 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,400 within this sport that when, when something is different, 822 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,240 when something is changing, people are going to get mad. 823 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:18,040 When it's not the same teams every time, those big fan bases 824 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,040 get mad that someone else is getting stealing the attention 825 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,800 away from Alabama. I mean, it's, it's an 826 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,120 interesting thing because I was talking about this to some folks 827 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,720 today and, and really one of the things to understand about 828 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,880 college football culture is that it hates new money. 829 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,240 And, and what I mean by that is this like it, it hates when 830 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,360 people who they don't perceive is supposed to be there crash 831 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,640 the party. It's, it's really not like that 832 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,240 in college basketball. Like you, you, you know, you, 833 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,720 yes, you've got your blue bloods, but it's such a variable 834 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,240 sport. That's what the NCAA Tournament 835 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,880 is about. Everyone's always like, Oh my 836 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,920 gosh, the the variety of things happening that that's their big 837 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,920 thing. Yeah. 838 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,840 But you know, but there's a real resistance and there's there's 839 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,160 like there's your core brands. And we all know the core brands, 840 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,320 Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, you know, Texas is 841 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,800 in that mix. Oklahoma, you've got the brands 842 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,760 that it's like, well, if they're in the party for a little bit, 843 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,640 we don't care too much. Clemson, I think falls into that 844 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,840 category. Michigan State falls into that 845 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,560 category. LSU is always kind of like 846 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,120 halfway in and halfway out the door. 847 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,600 Tennessee is kind of the same way. 848 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,400 But anybody that comes from outside that at TCU is a great 849 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,800 example of that. You know, there's a few others 850 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,440 that have popped into the mix and it's just like there's a 851 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,880 real resistance and a real soreness about it. 852 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,480 Like, well, they don't belong or they're not good enough or, 853 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,240 well, we would beat them if we played them. 854 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,880 It's always these this, this very negative response. 855 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,400 And I just think it's a fascinating and very different 856 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,080 kind of culture from what most people in Indiana are used to 857 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,440 because let's be honest, we don't know anything about 858 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,720 college football in terms of the larger cultures. 859 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,880 A few people that do in the fan base, but that's not what IU has 860 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,880 been weaned on historically. And so I, I think it's something 861 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,520 to keep in mind. The arguments are only going to 862 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,360 get worse regardless of what happens. 863 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,120 Like, and honestly, like if Indiana beats Ohio State, what 864 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,480 you know what's going to happen? It'll it's going to shut up the 865 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,040 arguments about Indiana and immediately all the attention is 866 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,120 going to get paid to Ohio State. Well, they don't belong. 867 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,960 They're not they clearly aren't that good. 868 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,400 They just lost at home to Indiana. 869 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,680 Like the, the, the arguments are never going to change. 870 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,840 So stop expecting people to embrace logic or embrace the 871 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,960 idea that you belong. It's it's kind of like a, it's 872 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,440 like an 80s high school movie where like everybody picks on 873 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,400 the one kid who's desperately trying to gain social acceptance 874 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,960 and he never actually gains social acceptance. 875 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,280 But by the end of the movie, he's like, I don't need you 876 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,360 people. You know, I'm fine by myself. 877 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,280 At least you know, that's how the plot line should work. 878 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,120 That's how Indiana and its fans. I didn't have to approach it. 879 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,760 Don't expect people to welcome you, expect them to spit in your 880 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,600 face and talk about you behind your back. 881 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,080 And that's totally fine. What you do is you then go in 882 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,280 and do the same with them. That's that's that's how this 883 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,880 stuff is supposed to work. We had a question. 884 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,000 We had a question from Patrick. Do you think, do we really think 885 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,760 Sankey, the SEC commissioner, is out pushing an SEC narrative or 886 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,720 are we just paranoid? I don't think. 887 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,880 So. You don't think which one? 888 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,200 I, I think that, I mean they have 4/4 of the top five teams 889 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,720 are Big 10. I think that speaks volume, 890 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:23,280 right? There hold. 891 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560 On time. Out not with the committee 892 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200 rankings, but with the discourse, with the media 893 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,560 discourse that's been coming in. And, and I do think there's 894 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,040 something to be said like it it, the reaction's gotten more and 895 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,040 more negative as Indiana has moved up. 896 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,600 You know, they moved up a couple weeks ago and they've stayed 897 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,080 there. Now, the reaction to that has 898 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,680 engendered this assault on Indiana, which was, if you 899 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,840 remember, Joe, 3 weeks ago, Indiana was the feel good story 900 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,120 of college football. Everybody was talking about how 901 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,720 cool it was that Indiana was 8 and O and was on game day. 902 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,400 And then the moment the calendar turns, the idea that the idea 903 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,480 that all of these people at once independently were like, you 904 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,800 know who doesn't belong? Indiana, it just seems a little 905 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,880 bit of a stretch and when you especially when you consider 906 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,800 many of these narratives are coming from ESPNA company, I'll 907 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,440 note that's in an official business partnership with the 908 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,360 SEC and not the Big 10. There's just a lot of 909 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,240 interesting little pieces that you think you may have to 910 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,040 consider with all of this. That's fair. 911 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,320 I, I don't know. I've always been, I've always 912 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,680 been the the committee and the I think the playoffs is cool. 913 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,040 I think it's good for college football. 914 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,080 It's just the way they do it, the way they talk about it, I 915 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,520 mean, there's 134 teams. It's hard in the grand scheme of 916 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,960 things to narrow it down. And especially when they play 917 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,920 vastly different schedules and you know, when it comes down to 918 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,920 these 12 teams will have very few common opponents because 919 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,040 they're all from different conferences and stuff like that. 920 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,040 So it's hard to gauge whether is an undefeated Oregon team better 921 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,360 than a one loss Texas team when Texas lost to Georgia. 922 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,320 Like what what is the difference right there outside of the 923 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,800 record? So it it just is a bunch of 924 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,880 yapping in my opinion. I just think it's it's too much 925 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,280 talk. Let let the teams go out and 926 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,720 play. The team that plays better will 927 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,440 win. That's what Kurt Singh that he 928 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,560 said on Monday, The team that play will the teams that plays 929 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,040 better will win. That's how he feels about this 930 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,120 Saturday and that's how these teams probably feel. 931 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,160 That's a good thing about the teams. 932 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,520 It seems like they're able to block out the noise pretty well, 933 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,840 especially these top level teams. 934 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,960 It's like don't worry about like like Georgia. 935 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,800 I mean, Kirby's smart. There's no way he's going in 936 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,280 saying all right, guys, we're ranked here like we need to win 937 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,560 this. No, he's locked in next week, 938 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,960 next game. Like that's just what it is. 939 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,320 I don't know. Collegeable has so much money, 940 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,360 so much media presence that sometimes it's hard to block out 941 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,800 that noise. But the best of the best will be 942 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,840 able to do it. Push aside whatever SEC bias 943 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,920 there is. I don't know. 944 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,160 Does the SEC even realize that there's bias? 945 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,800 Probably not because it's favoring them. 946 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,640 Anyway, I I think it's a really Ward manual had this comment. 947 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,640 Of course we look at strength of schedule, but we also look at 948 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,960 how teams are playing. Good Ward. 949 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,480 I'm happy to hear it. Well, let's hope Indiana 950 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,320 continues to play well if that's going to be one of the things 951 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,160 that they're looking at. Anyway, we are going to go ahead 952 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,720 and wrap up the Bison chat for the night. 953 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,640 We got the rankings out. We got a chance to see what's 954 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,920 going on. Still really good news for 955 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,960 Indiana and I think it'll likely stay that way. 956 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,800 Joe, any final thoughts from you before we wrap up today? 957 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,240 Well, I mean, Saturday is game of the year for these two teams 958 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:38,000 because Ohio State has really their rest of the season on the 959 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640 line. Indiana is trying to prove that 960 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,400 they belong in this top five. I mean, that's how you do it 961 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,480 right there. You compete, you come away with 962 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,800 a win maybe for in Columbus, that's how you do it. 963 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,720 It is one of two ranked games this weekend. 964 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,080 The other one is Army in Notre Dame at 7:30. 965 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:57,040 The entire nation is going to be watching this because I don't 966 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,080 think they're going to be watching Florida and Ole Miss 967 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,120 respectfully. I really, I don't think that's 968 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,880 going to be happen. The entire country is going to 969 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,800 be watching. I think it's going to shatter 970 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,600 any sort of viewing records that for the weekend. 971 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,320 So it's going to be fun. Columbus is going to be rowdy, 972 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,720 maybe some gross big 10. I I'm not a better, but that 973 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,960 over under is looking very healthy to the under considering 974 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,520 the weather, considering these two teams. 975 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,280 It's going to be low scoring physical. 976 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,400 It's going to be fun. I'm excited. 977 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,120 It's gonna be amazing. I'm looking forward to it. 978 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,040 We're gonna have a lot more podcast coming up later this 979 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,080 week. If you haven't listened to the 980 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,560 interview with Dane Sansenbacher from earlier on today, that's on 981 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,080 the feed, it's on the YouTube channel. 982 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,320 Go check that out. We've got a special guest who's 983 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,480 got IU ties but has a unique perspective on this matchup 984 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,920 that's gonna be joining us on Thursday morning, so be sure to 985 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,000 tune in for that. We still got our preview podcast 986 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,120 with Taylor Layman coming up later on this week. 987 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,960 We've got Crimson Cash coming up later on this week. 988 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,480 James Turner will make you some money. 989 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,320 And then I'll be off to Columbus as will Joe, as will many other 990 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,840 people. The number of people, students 991 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,000 especially I've talked to who have said some combination of 992 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,120 we're going and we don't have tickets yet. 993 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,640 We're going to figure it out when we get there is pretty 994 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,800 fascinating. So I'm looking forward to seeing 995 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,360 how all this plays out. Joe. 996 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,800 It's going to be an amazing time. 997 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,880 I, I, I can only imagine your anticipation covering this game. 998 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,200 I'm excited just to be there. I will say like, this is a 999 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,560 moment where I'll be down on the field for this one doing video 1000 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,080 and stuff like that. I'm going to have to take a 1001 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:37,000 second to kind of like embrace it and be like, maybe obviously 1002 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,600 not cheer, not nothing like that, but just watch what's 1003 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,800 happening, watch 2 top five teams in one of the best 1004 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,720 stadiums in the country. And I don't know, I'm getting 1005 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,880 I'm getting kind of amped up thinking about it like this is 1006 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,040 kind of like when I was young, like I've always wanted to go to 1007 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,960 a game like this and now I'm able to go to a game like this 1008 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,800 and cover a game like this. So it's fun. 1009 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,960 I mean, these are two very good teams. 1010 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,680 Obviously, the $20 million roster versus the young and 1011 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,680 hungry Hoosiers, I mean, they're not very young, but young and 1012 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,800 spry for for being good at college football. 1013 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:14,240 Yeah, well, as always, folks, we, we love having you here on 1014 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:15,920 Bison Chat. We'll be back next week. 1015 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,400 It'll be a holiday episode. Is is your Wi-Fi at home better 1016 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,680 than your Wi-Fi and your? Apartment. 1017 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,520 Oh, absolutely, yeah. Maybe. 1018 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,320 Maybe, maybe mom and Dad Cronin can hop on the the show for a 1019 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,240 little bit then as well. But anyway, I don't know. 1020 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,080 Thank you. Emily Fox dipped a little early, 1021 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,160 but she cut everything up and made all the magic happen. 1022 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,560 So thank you to Emily Joe thank you. 1023 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,200 Thanks to all you folks for hopping on whether you're 1024 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,520 watching us live or whether you're tuning in on the podcast 1025 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,760 frequencies that we have Spotify, Apple podcast, what 1026 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,160 have you, or on the YouTube channel. 1027 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,880 We will be back next week with more Bison chat Tuesday night. 1028 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,880 We'll we'll kind of, well, probably again have it around 1029 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,320 when the actual CFP reveal is and we'll have lots to talk 1030 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,960 about one way or the other as we also recap what happened in 1031 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,000 Indiana, Ohio State and get you ready for the big game that 1032 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,120 comes up at the end of that week. 1033 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,240 We'll talk about that then for Joe Cronin, for Emily Fox and 1034 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:15,360 for the entire back home network. 1035 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,800 I'm Galen Clavio saying thank you for joining us here on Bison 1036 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,960 Chat. We'll catch you folks. 1037 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,160 On the flip side, bring back the Bisons. 1038 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,080 Stay. Never daunted. 1039 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:22,920 So long, everybody.