1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,560 Hey y'all, welcome back to the Vet Files. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,720 Today, Gretel and I are joined by MJ, who is a current first 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,280 year at LSU with me, and we're going to talk a little bit about 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,160 remediating and options when things don't really quite go 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,640 according to plan first year for whatever reason. 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,680 We're going to talk about kind of the published resources for 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,720 LSU and Mizzou specifically, but overall, we're going to talk 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,160 about MJ's experience. Introduce to yourself. 9 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:37,480 MJ Hi, my name's MJI. Went to undergrad at LSU. 10 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,640 This is Sharky. He's participating. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,520 I went to undergraduate LSUI, was in the pre vet program the 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,640 the 3 + 1. I got into vet school when I was 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:55,200 20 and it was pretty much like a straight A student my whole 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,400 life. And then everything that felt 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,160 like the world was ending. It gets better. 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,320 But yeah, I'm interested in small animal practice, 17 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:10,280 particularly feline medicine, and yeah, that's pretty much it. 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,880 So let's talk a little bit about remediating. 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,760 What is it kind of how does it work? 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Because we were talking, we were talking about it before the 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,000 episode, but it's really confusing. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,480 There's not much out about it online if you're just 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,600 researching it as a student. I was trying to look up, you 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,520 know, our handbook and it was a little bit unclear even then. 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,840 So remediating is essentially the terminology used at at least 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,200 LSU for retaking whatever year of school you failed and failed 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,040 could mean you didn't pass clinical skills, failed could 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,440 mean you got AD plus at LSU is the lowest you can go 1D plus, 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,160 not 2. And then also, if you fall below 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,960 a 2.0 GPA average, you are qualified for remediation. 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,320 If you get an F immediate dismissal and you have to 32 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,000 reapply. But that's not what we're 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 talking about. We're talking about remediating, 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,120 which is kind of in between between having to reapply. 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,520 So yeah, MJ, would you want to talk a little bit about your 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,920 experience? I remediated at LSU, You know, 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,800 it was an experience. They didn't pass clinical 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,800 skills, the OSKI specifically, which for people who don't have 39 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,440 it or call it the OSKI, it's basically it's a skills exam. 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,720 I can't remember. I know it's like something, 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,320 something skills clinical exam. That's what it stands for. 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,600 And you basically get 5 minutes to perform a task in front of 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,600 somebody who was grading you actively. 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,080 It's very stressful. You know, you kind of go in 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,320 blind. You don't really get to know 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,480 exactly what the stations are until you get there. 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,160 And you know, I was just going through, you know, it's just 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,040 some personal stuff. And like there's nothing to be 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,360 ashamed of in that regard. You know, even and even if it 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,440 was like a whoopsie, I didn't do really great on something. 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,600 There's no shame in that either. But yeah, that's specifically 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,640 what happened to me was that I just had some stuff going on 53 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,240 outside of school. I kind of distracted me from my 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,480 school work, so studying got away from me. 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,840 I also got my first like F on a test in anatomy and so like, I 56 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,120 that was like, Oh my God. Like I was clutching my pearls. 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,880 But yeah, whenever I had to remediate the oski, I literally 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,640 felt like the world was ending. I was like, I'm, you know, it's, 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,240 it's not going to go well, like I'm not, I don't belong here. 60 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,000 You know, I, I screwed up really bad. 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,520 Like I just maybe I should just do something else. 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 And like, I just kind of reflected on it and they, they 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,680 offered me remediation and I was like, OK, I definitely want to 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,280 do this. Like I want to do remediation. 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,400 You know, I studied for it, probably could have studied a 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,080 little bit better because I still had some stuff going on 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,360 outside. So I was like, OK, well at least 68 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,720 I now know like what's going to happen going into it. 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,600 And then I didn't, I didn't pass the remediation either. 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,800 So then I had to be readmitted with the next class of first 71 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,480 years. Remediation for the OSKI 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,680 specifically is they will give you a whole new set of stations 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,480 and you basically just retake it. 74 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,360 So it's just the one test over the summer. 75 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,040 I'm not exactly sure how it works for the other classes. 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,080 I'm pretty sure for like anatomy you would have to go in and take 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,880 all of the the lab portion again and I think you probably retake 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,399 some of the tests, but I'm not 100% sure. 79 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Yeah, thank you. It's just kind of hard to talk 80 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:27,360 about because I also have heard people to my face say just just 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,720 crazy things like once, even once you're in that school, 82 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,120 people are like, oh, if you didn't have a 3.8 GPA in 83 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,040 undergrad, you don't deserve to be here. 84 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,920 Or if you can't pass this, you don't deserve to be here. 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,720 And that's not what that is at all. 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,200 I just don't believe in that entire rhetoric. 87 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,120 We had Doctor Wade on a couple episodes ago and she's awesome 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,120 and she's very public about it, but she had failed her Navly her 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,320 first try and she's an awesome doctor. 90 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,200 And it's just something that I don't appreciate. 91 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,920 All of the negative narrative things happen. 92 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,360 Even if it was just genuine academic like oh I didn't get it 93 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,800 or I needed to retry, I failed OCAM 2. 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,800 I never passed OCAM 2 because LSU didn't require it and I'd 95 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,400 already accepted my acceptance. I never even took OCAM 2. 96 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,240 Yeah I don't think LSU undergrad, I don't think y'all 97 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,520 take OCAM 2 not in the pre vet program. 98 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,680 No. OK. 99 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,720 Because Auburn it was required to graduate and I mean I had to 100 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,960 have AD in it, so I had AD in. So it was fine. 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,280 I got my credit but most vet schools require it. 102 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:33,680 LSU does not. And yeah I failed it. 103 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,160 I got AD but I was taking it during a 19 credit hour semester 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,680 and I have my A national position. 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,320 I was working two-part time jobs. 106 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Things happen. That doesn't make me less of 107 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,440 anything. Less of a vet, less of a person, 108 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,600 less of a student. I'm still smart, I'm still going 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,320 to be a great but one day. Everybody has different paths. 110 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,240 So yeah, I mean, did you kind of face any of that? 111 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,120 I've been so, so all of undergrad, they want to push 112 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,160 that 3 + 1 program for LSU 3 plus 1/3 plus one. 113 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,280 You know, like when you're a pre vet, you're automatically in the 114 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:11,320 3 + 1 program. And if you don't get into vet 115 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,720 school, then you're moved to science and technology, which is 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,360 still animal science and the same things. 117 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,280 It's just a couple more production classes. 118 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,680 I got it like I just want to set the stage for like I know and I 119 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,920 know people are going to relate to this because it's such a vet 120 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,600 student thing. I grew up, I got straight A's, 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,320 never made ABA, finished out undergrad like I got when I got 122 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 into that school. I had a 4.3 GPA in undergrad. 123 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:42,440 I was an ambassador for LSU, like for LSUI, was working on 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,840 top of that. And I, you know, like I was 125 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,320 always in student government or some kind of like interactive 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,720 position with like the student body even in high school. 127 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,200 And so I was always a very high achiever. 128 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Like being good at school was like my thing, you know, like I 129 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,920 have a sister, she's the athletic one and the smart 1. 130 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,160 You know, like, that's just kind of how it always was. 131 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,360 Yeah. Like I just, that's just how I 132 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,640 was. Like, I was just always really 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,440 involved at school. So then I got into vet school 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,000 with the 3 + 1 program. Now was supposed to graduate in 135 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,840 May 2025, but because I didn't pass my OSKI, they said I didn't 136 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,600 meet the requirements to get my degree. 137 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,680 I had to watch all of my best friends graduate. 138 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,000 Like because we all went to LSU together, because we're all 139 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,960 local, we all had like TOPS, which is a Louisiana thing. 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,280 If you don't know what TOPS is, it's basically it's based on 141 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,200 your grade point average. So when you graduate high 142 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,920 school, if you have a 4.0 and you keep it up all throughout 143 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,800 college, they will pay for you to go to school. 144 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,080 Like me and all my friends basically went to school for 145 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,400 free because we were all the the nerdy honors kids in high 146 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,240 school. So but yeah, like me and all my 147 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,160 friends graduated, we were supposed to all graduate at the 148 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,800 same time. It was so exciting. 149 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,760 I had family. I was supposed I'm a first Gen. 150 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,880 graduate as well. So I was like having family fly 151 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,360 in to watch me graduate and I didn't find out until like 2 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,400 days that I wasn't going to graduate. 153 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,840 And I was so embarrassed. I actually photoshopped the 154 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,120 COVID test to be positive because I was like, I just don't 155 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,680 have the heart to tell anybody about the fact that I failed. 156 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,680 And I was like, well, I'm going to pass the remediation and 157 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,120 nobody's going to know because then I'll just graduate in 158 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,480 August and no one's going to know. 159 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,680 Well, that didn't happen and that's OK. 160 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,440 But then now they're telling me once I was, you know, readmitted 161 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,559 after remediation that I, I won't get a bachelor's degree 162 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,080 this upcoming May. So I'm not going to get a 163 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,120 bachelor's degree unless I have to go, unless I go back to like 164 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,640 the main undergrad, main campus, which is frustrating. 165 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,760 And it kind of puts more stakes on my back because I'm just 166 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,040 like, OK, well, it's DVM or bust. 167 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,360 I guess like, you know what else? 168 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,520 I'm not going to have a degree. So I either, I either got to get 169 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,040 this one or, you know, I'm going to get this degree. 170 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,960 So that's kind of what happened, you know, with the ASCII. 171 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,760 I just like, I remember getting that e-mail and I just like, I 172 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:09,120 felt like I couldn't breathe. It was so heartbreaking to me to 173 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,440 be like, OK, well, you have to do summer school. 174 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Oh my God, summer school like as like an overachiever, you know, 175 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,520 like vet student, but God, I don't, I don't want to go to 176 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,960 summer school. Like what? 177 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,520 And you know, like, like you said, like you were working 2 178 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,920 jobs. I was working three jobs. 179 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Like it was a lot. You know, I was also moving and 180 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,880 I was just also just having the same personal issues that I was 181 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,360 having before, right before the Oski. 182 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,080 So it's just I didn't pass again. 183 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,320 And also it was part of the fact that it was like, well, if I 184 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,360 don't pass this, I'm not going to get a degree. 185 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:39,960 Everyone's going to be disappointed in me. 186 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,640 I'm going to be disappointed in myself. 187 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,880 I'm not going to be able to move on with the next class. 188 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,800 And I was so nervous that I like started crying in the middle of 189 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,000 the Oski. And like that, that cost me two 190 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,200 stations because I just couldn't, I couldn't calm myself 191 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,920 down And they wouldn't let me like step aside to like take a 192 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,520 breath because it's a time to test. 193 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,560 So I was like, OK, well, you know, I didn't pass. 194 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:04,320 I got, I did the whole readmission application and 195 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,360 wrote out, you know, my whole situation. 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,080 I even got like my mentor that I, that I work with, she wrote 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,120 me an awesome letter of recommendation. 198 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,400 So yeah, it was kind of hard. And then, you know, you're 199 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,200 facing the whole thing of like, well, now I have to make all new 200 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,320 friends and now I have to go back to school and all the 201 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,800 professors are going to already know me and everyone's going to 202 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,800 know that I had to start over. All my second year friends are 203 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,480 like, you know, they, they get to move on and keep going. 204 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,400 And I don't. And it's just just like, 205 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,480 everybody's going to know. It's just that feeling of like 206 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,760 everybody's going to know that I did something bad, which it's 207 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,120 not bad to fail. It's OK to fail. 208 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,920 Nobody fails on purpose and nobody fails because they want 209 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,160 to. And I really hate when this is 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,800 so cynical of me, but I hate the everything happens for a reason. 211 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,440 Because sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes life just doesn't make 212 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,400 sense, but I, I do believe that like everybody's journey is 213 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,200 different. I don't think that I was ready 214 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,000 to move to the next class, but I think that I was meant to be in 215 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,400 the class of 2029. I really mesh with everybody 216 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,800 better. I feel more confident in myself. 217 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,360 I feel more confident in my abilities. 218 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,640 And that's one thing that's I think the hardest part of like 219 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,840 failing and having to start over is the confidence. 220 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Getting your confidence back, getting feeling good about 221 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:27,160 yourself again, feeling like you belong there, feeling like you, 222 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,920 you know, you belong there just as much as everybody else. 223 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Because after I found out that I had to go in and do my first 224 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,560 year again, my confidence was so bad that I couldn't even like 225 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:40,680 pull blood on animals anymore. And like, I do that every day. 226 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,360 I do that all the time. That's something that usually 227 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,360 comes very easy to me. And it's just like my confidence 228 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,320 was so low that I was like, I can't, I can't do it. 229 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,440 Like I need someone else to do it. 230 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,600 I can't do it. But my advice to people who who 231 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,640 feel that way would be just jump back in. 232 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,680 Just jump back in. Even if you don't feel ready, 233 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,040 even if you don't feel confident, even if you don't 234 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,920 feel like you can do it, just do it anyway. 235 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Just do it anyway. And there's like this quote, I 236 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,880 can't remember what it is exactly, but it's like, do it 237 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,520 scared, do it unsure, do it insecure, do it when it's hard. 238 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,520 Just do it because I would have regretted it for the rest of my 239 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,000 life if I was like, oh, why didn't pass remediation time to 240 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,280 do something else. This is something that I've 241 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,880 wanted for a really long time. And I feel like that's the case 242 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,680 with a lot of people who are in vet school is like, and they 243 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:31,200 even put it, I don't know if it's on the other applications, 244 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,240 but even it's on the LSU application and it says what 245 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,960 made you want to be a vet? Do not include childhood stories 246 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,240 because everybody and their grandma says, I've always wanted 247 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,800 to be a vet ever since I was little. 248 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,640 So I think that's something that everyone can relate to is like, 249 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,200 you know, you want this for so long and you have this love of 250 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,040 animals and you want it for so long, or even you have this love 251 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,600 of helping people. I think that that's not 252 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,360 something to turn away from if you get discouraged. 253 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,480 I think that that's a really rare thing to be very passionate 254 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,680 about. And, you know, it feels like, 255 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,720 well, there's so many people who are trying to get into that 256 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,040 school. Like somebody will take my 257 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,600 place, but you matter. Like individually you matter. 258 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,880 And this I'm also the president of the Voice Club LSU, which is 259 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,960 Veterinarians for One Inclusive Community for empowerment. 260 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,760 And that's kind of like the whole deal is like you matter in 261 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,680 particular, like your experience changes how you practice, your 262 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,040 experience changes how you interact with people. 263 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,560 And I think everyone's viewpoint is valuable, even if I disagree 264 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:35,040 with it. So you matter like you bring 265 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 something to the table. You can bring something to 266 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,320 veterinary medicine, even if you feel like, oh, I don't belong 267 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,960 here. I don't, I'm not good enough. 268 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,040 You bring something to the table no matter if you know what it is 269 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:46,760 or not. Yeah. 270 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,840 And I was always shocked. It kind of how many people chose 271 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,000 to remediate and Gretel will go into her experience at the zoo 272 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,360 and kind of people that she knows just a little bit. 273 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,440 I was, I had mentioned before, like I, I don't remember the 274 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,160 exact number, but I want to say it was 6 people didn't make it 275 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:13,240 like 109888. I can't count, OK, But yeah, 276 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,080 eight people I believe is the number I don't want to say 277 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,520 dropped out or failed like because it sounds so negative. 278 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,480 But for whatever reason, they did not continue to the next 279 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,280 semester. And they are, for the most part, 280 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,200 the people that I know are remediating. 281 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,320 And I was always shocked because I was like, what would I do? 282 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,560 You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. 283 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Because you're right. All those emotions are so valid. 284 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,040 And it's really important to talk about because I think, I 285 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,360 don't want to say it's getting more common, but I think as 286 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,880 class sizes increase and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 287 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,400 1,000,000 reasons. I've looked at kind of the 288 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,120 dropout and graduation rates for a couple different schools when 289 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,040 I was applying because I was like, well, if everybody's 290 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,800 graduating, I'll do fine. Like, right, Like surely. 291 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:59,400 And nobody is at 100%, nobody has a 100% graduation or pass or 292 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,200 and that can be a couple of different things. 293 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,400 Some of them count the remediation students in that 294 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,840 graduation pass rate, some don't. 295 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Whatever. Point is, you're not the only 296 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,320 person. And I think Gretel can talk more 297 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,920 about that. I think it was even more 298 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,560 prevalent at Mizzou this past year. 299 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,280 Definitely, I mean it was a shell shock for my class as 300 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,800 well. We had more than normal either D 301 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,120 out or they had to have like another option of like 302 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,720 prolonging their time. So I'm a zoo. 303 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,400 You can only have 9 credits of DS. 304 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,760 So that's really like your first two anatomy and Physiology 305 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,440 classes. And I, I don't think they 306 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,560 purposely do it this way, but that's like the same amount of 307 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,280 credit hours for your two hardest classes. 308 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:46,120 In your first two IPS, there are 9 credits of D and then if you D 309 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,440 out, you have to reapply. And this did happen to several 310 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,640 of my friends, I should say almost 1/4 of the class was 311 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,120 facing whether they might acts like whether they might be out 312 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,680 in the first couple months, which is pretty shocking as like 313 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,280 you were talking about MJ, majority of people in veterinary 314 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,120 school have gotten good grades their whole life. 315 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:17,360 You know, maybe they have one if that in their whole entire span 316 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,760 of being a student and normally that's in like the hardest 317 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,720 possible classes like chemistry or biochem, But most of the time 318 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,360 I don't think people understand like what a beast veterinary 319 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,840 school is. And for one of my friends who 320 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,040 deed out, she actually just came back into town and we were 321 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,560 talking about it. She's had a really bad living 322 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,680 situation, starting veterinary school, and she couldn't feel 323 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,040 comfortable at home. And she always told me that this 324 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,000 is a conversation between the two of us. 325 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,520 And I said, you know what? They gave us a presentation at 326 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,800 the start of school and calculated how many hours it 327 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,160 would be needed to study and survive. 328 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,520 And they deemed it impossible. And this was in the first couple 329 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,280 days. And after hearing that, I was 330 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,080 like, this is already impossible. 331 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Can you imagine having problems going on at home? 332 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:08,720 Like I was freaking out. Luckily, you know, I wasn't at 333 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,720 risk of deselling, but I didn't have some high grades the whole 334 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,560 time. Like we were all freaked out we 335 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,920 had all failed an exam at some point. 336 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,160 Like everyone in veterinary school has failed an exam. 337 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,119 I can guarantee at some point they have failed an exam or 338 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,840 multiple. I think people just don't 339 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,480 understand this is so much harder. 340 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,160 The stakes are so much higher. All of your classes feel like 341 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,480 the hardest class you ever took an undergrad. 342 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,000 So think of quadrupling your workload and then you have to 343 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,400 figure it out all in the first few months. 344 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Like how unrealistic is that for pH DS? 345 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,200 They can expand their timeline, but we can't. 346 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,120 We have to. We're expected to be able to 347 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:55,440 handle it, all of it at once. And I think that's a problem. 348 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,320 I don't know why it has to be so cutthroat. 349 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,240 Other programs aren't in the country for graduate schools. 350 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:05,280 Yeah, I just, and another thing too, that I really struggled 351 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,480 with when I first got into vet school, and I think this is 352 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,320 something that a lot of people struggle with, is that school 353 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,000 comes so easy when you are like, you know, typically if you are 354 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,760 on the right track, you know, if you're a typical good student 355 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,200 and you make A's and you really don't struggle in undergrad, 356 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,440 it's really hard to come from that. 357 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:24,960 Oh, I can study the night before. 358 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,520 I can study two nights before and then go into vet school 359 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,280 where you can't do that. And I'm still, I mean, I've been 360 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,080 through first year twice now and I'm still trying to get out of 361 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,120 that habit where I'm like, I can study the night before, It's 362 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,080 fine. Don't do that. 363 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,160 It's not fine. The only reason I can get by 364 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,560 with doing that is because I've seen all the material before. 365 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,200 That's pretty much the only reason. 366 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,520 Yeah. That's just kind of something 367 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,560 that a lot of people don't factor in is like, you're going 368 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,000 to be doing a lot more studying. And even when you feel like, OK, 369 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,760 this material is really easy, there's a lot of it. 370 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,280 And even when it's easy, it's hard because there's just so 371 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,480 much material. And especially if you didn't 372 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,520 like, especially if you didn't take any specialized classes 373 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,320 that are geared toward medicine or even some people, like I know 374 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,040 some people in our class and the class above us who have no 375 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,200 clinical experience, none. They only did like, you know, 376 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,160 research or they were in super involved in like other clubs and 377 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,280 stuff. So they don't have the medical 378 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,760 knowledge that some other people have. 379 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,320 I was fortunate enough to have both. 380 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,840 And I also did like AP biology in high school where we learned 381 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,400 a lot about like the Histology and stuff. 382 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,560 So that the first couple of months I was able to be like, 383 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,840 OK, like I'm OK. Like I've, I've done all this 384 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,160 before and I took an anatomy class they offered like a pre 385 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,200 vet anatomy by Doctor Ritchie in undergraduate LSU. 386 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,080 So I was coming off of that and I was like, you know, like it 387 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,080 won't be that bad. Like it'll probably be the exact 388 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,600 same. No, it's not. 389 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,440 It helps for sure, but it definitely isn't the exact same. 390 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,280 It's much harder. Everything is a lot more 391 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,400 complicated. That school really showed me I'm 392 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,320 like, well, you know, like a bones, a bone, right? 393 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,240 Like they don't, you know, nothing happens to a bone. 394 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:04,120 Bones are alive. Like bones are alive. 395 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,080 There's just so much stuff going on in the body that you don't 396 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,600 even know about. And then on top of that, you 397 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,360 have to know about it in so many different species. 398 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,720 So it's just it's. It's a beast. 399 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,360 And I think that that's something that people will 400 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:19,720 underestimate is that they think them being a good student will 401 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,200 outweigh how much of A beast vet school is. 402 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,280 And it's. It doesn't. 403 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,880 It really doesn't. No, and it doesn't matter like 404 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,520 some people, including me are like, oh, should I study before 405 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,240 I get there? Should it? 406 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,680 What should I look at? Nothing. 407 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,640 It doesn't help. Hey, it doesn't matter. 408 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Like hey, sorry to tell you buddy, but like it really 409 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,120 doesn't matter. I mean, maybe if you're 410 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,240 particularly dedicated, it's just hard without like to self 411 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,400 teach yourself anything in vet school. 412 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,080 There's a reason they don't have online vet school unless it's in 413 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,960 Australia. Like I don't know how they do it 414 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,400 and also I don't know how that program works. 415 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,480 So I'm not going to hate on them. 416 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,720 But my point is it's hard to do it without an instructor saying 417 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,280 here's the important things, here's how to filter it out, 418 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,040 here's how to apply this clinically. 419 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,800 And it's just bizarre. And so I'll say same thing. 420 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,360 I thought, you know, I'll be OK because I did undergrad anatomy 421 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,760 one and two for humans. So not the same thing. 422 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 That was just what? Auburn offered is required to 423 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,720 graduate. We all took it and I live with 424 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080 another Auburn student. She felt the same way. 425 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,440 We were like, yeah what the heck. 426 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,120 Like this is not the same thing. And I was even ATA for anatomy, 427 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,040 one lab. And so I was like on top of it, 428 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,200 like I knew my human, the bones and muscles, every single one, 429 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,480 all the origin action, insertion, everything you could 430 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,440 know about it, I was teaching it because we don't have a 431 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,880 professor for lab. It's the TA is teaching it. 432 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,400 So I was good there. I was like, surely can't be that 433 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,400 much different. And I'll tell you that's, that's 434 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,920 true. Most of it is pretty similar and 435 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,040 I was exposed to most of it. Couple differences here and 436 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,280 there. But yeah, after maybe a month, 437 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,640 we got through the entire musculoskeletal system, I think, 438 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:57,080 and I was just like, yeah, OK, well, that was the extent of my 439 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,240 knowledge. I don't know what we're doing 440 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,200 now. And it comes back, you know, at 441 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,360 LSU and a couple other schools, they do the spiral curriculum. 442 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,800 So in the fall you'll learn it on the dog, and then in the 443 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,280 spring they'll redo all of it. But you're expected to know the 444 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,640 previous semester of dog and apply it and find the 445 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,360 comparative differences on the horse and cow and small room in 446 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:20,640 it and some avian stuff. So my point was yes if you took 447 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,720 undergrad anatomy, it'll help a little bit with the thinking 448 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,960 process, but once you get past like month 1, I don't even think 449 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,680 it really helps that much. At least the anatomy classes 450 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,760 that I took. Gretel. 451 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,640 Thoughts. My anatomy did not help me at 452 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 all. We didn't have any labs, if 453 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,920 anything the repro labs with the tracks helped. 454 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,200 But I was an animal sciences student. 455 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,160 We didn't have any requirement to take human anatomy. 456 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,360 So our extent ended at a PowerPoint with maybe just the 457 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,440 skeleton and some of the major muscles and some origin 458 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,200 insertions and actions. And you know, University of 459 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,640 Illinois is a very hard school. Nothing could prepare me for an 460 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,640 and I got like a 96 in anatomy in undergrad. 461 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,600 By no means was I anywhere near that. 462 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,760 Absolutely not. I scraped by with a sea and 463 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,080 anatomy and that was my worst class. 464 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,640 Oh my God I prayed for a sea like it was that bad adjusting. 465 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,600 I'm doing better now, but I want people to know, like it takes 466 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,320 six months minimum to figure out what you're doing unless you're 467 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,600 a genius. But even the brilliant people 468 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,840 I've been school, I've been good at school my whole life. 469 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,920 Even if you're a genius, this is hard. 470 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,400 And I'm not, so it's especially hard. 471 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,400 Yeah, I just, I don't know, but we got a little off topic. 472 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,200 Let's talk about MJ. What did you do during your gap 473 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,360 period, not gap year, but your gap period, you know, between 474 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,320 the two gears. I know that you had to face 475 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,320 remediation and look at that during the summer. 476 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,320 So you might not have been thinking, thinking about it in 477 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,120 the scope of, oh, I need to repeat the year, what can I do? 478 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,120 But you know, what did you change? 479 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,080 Did you work, did you rest? Did you study, Did you 480 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,240 intentionally make changes to your study technique, time 481 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,440 management, mental health? Just tell us about what you did 482 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,320 in that. Period of the above, I 483 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,840 definitely started, you know, I had the whole self pity period 484 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,680 where, you know, I was in bed for a couple days and I was 485 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,960 like, I just need to be sad about this, but then I need to 486 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240 be sad about it and then I need to move past it because it's 487 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,920 happened and there's nothing I can do to change the fact that 488 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,400 it happened. And that's something that my 489 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080 partner actually tells me all the time. 490 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,680 I'm such a worry word. I'm such a well, what if this, 491 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,160 well, what if that? Well, what if this, what if 492 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480 that? And he's like, but that's not 493 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,240 what happened, though. That's not what happened. 494 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,200 You have to live in reality. You can't live in the well, what 495 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,560 if this had happened and I had done this that in the other. 496 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,680 And that was something that I got really focused on because I 497 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,120 was like, well, if I had done this on the Oscar, I would have 498 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,320 passed. Well, if I had done this on the 499 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,120 Oscar, I would have passed. Because I'm not gonna lie, there 500 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,200 was a couple stations where I was like, hey, I don't agree 501 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,080 with this. They don't care. 502 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,720 They do not care unless you can like solidly prove that you, you 503 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,760 know, like what your disagreement is valid because I, 504 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560 it happened to somebody that I know she did remediation with me 505 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000 and somebody had messed up her grade and they she went and she 506 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,480 was like, hey, I don't agree with this like this, you know, 507 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,640 this was graded incorrectly and they went back and reviewed it 508 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,600 and actually was. But you know, just stuff like 509 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,880 that where because you also have to think about the person who's 510 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,640 grading you, it's all up to their interpretation. 511 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,120 And if you said something and they didn't hear it, they're 512 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,520 going to mark it wrong. But if you're like, hey, I said 513 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,800 that because this is what happened to me while we were 514 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,560 outside. We were in a barn. 515 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,760 The fans were going, people were talking. 516 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,480 There was animals making noise. The timer is talking and saying, 517 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 you know, you may start your scenario now, all that stuff. 518 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960 So she didn't hear me say it. And I went and I was like, oh, 519 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,240 my mother, I said it. I promise. 520 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,520 And they were like, look, we can't do anything about it. 521 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,640 Like it's your word against the teacher and or it gets the 522 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,600 greater and we always take the greater because obviously the 523 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,480 student is going to try and want to bump their grade up. 524 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,280 And they failed me by point O 3%. 525 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,400 I was really frustrating. It was really frustrating. 526 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,320 So that I was really stuck and being so close. 527 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,520 I literally was like, well, what if this and what if that? 528 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280 And I was just trying to like, like I remember sending an 529 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,000 e-mail to our like the facilitator for the class and 530 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,680 just, I think I said please like 6 times because I was like, 531 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960 please, please, please, like we need to have a meeting. 532 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,480 Like something's wrong. Like I didn't like this isn't 533 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,760 me. Like please, like we need to 534 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,520 meet up. Like, like I was just really 535 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,440 deep in denial. And then I went over everything 536 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,680 and I was like, OK, right, this was me. 537 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,760 I messed up, but it's going to be OK. 538 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,080 Eventually I got to the it's going to be OK stage. 539 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,360 It took me, it took me a couple weeks to get there, but I got 540 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,240 there. But yeah, I kind of what I 541 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,880 really started with honestly, was therapy. 542 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,640 And I know that's like not an option for a lot of people. 543 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,920 I was able to get to it because my job offers it. 544 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,840 So yeah, I knew I needed to work on my confidence. 545 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,600 I knew I needed to kind of get out of this. 546 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,240 Like, oh, poor me. Oh, everything's going wrong and 547 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,640 it's so corny. I keep bringing up all these 548 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Corning phrases, but when people say focus on the positive, 549 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,920 sometimes you just got to, yes, there are points where it's like 550 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,640 focusing on the positive is a little, OK, You're kind of 551 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,400 living in a fantasy land, you know, like if you're $5000 in 552 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,360 credit card debt, well, it's like, well, at least I'm not 553 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,160 $6000 in credit card debt. Maybe not in that situation, but 554 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,560 in a situation where it's like, I got readmitted, I got a second 555 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,800 chance. Does it suck that I'm going to 556 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,920 have to make all new friends and that pretty much everybody's 557 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,160 going to know that I had to start? 558 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Yeah, that sucks. But guess what? 559 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,120 Positive side, maybe I'll meet some really cool people. 560 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,800 My grades. My grades will definitely be 561 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,440 better because I've seen the material before. 562 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,760 So if it's not better than that. Quick question when you I never 563 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,480 even thought about this until just now when you retake all of 564 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,320 these two questions. So you said, did you say you 565 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,440 have to retake every single class regardless? 566 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,560 Because that's what I had assumed. 567 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,800 You have to take all of them. OK, I thought. 568 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,680 So, yeah, so I have to take every class, but it's basically 569 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,520 just like going back into my first year just like everybody 570 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,520 else. Plus sides of that is that a lot 571 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,120 of it's the same and I really don't have to take as many 572 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,960 notes, but like I said, always look on the positive. 573 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,040 Yeah, I just, yeah, I did have to take every class. 574 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,080 I kind of talked to them about it because I was given the 575 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560 impression that I wouldn't have to retake every class. 576 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,280 Yeah, they they don't. Retake every class. 577 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,760 I wonder maybe other than just refreshing your memory, I wonder 578 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 what the reason is because if you only failed one. 579 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,560 They told me it was because second year at LSU is so anatomy 580 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,840 based and it's so Physiology based that they, they didn't 581 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,760 want that information to fall out of my head. 582 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,400 Basically they were like, I think they were like, there's 583 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,720 no, they were like there's more of a benefit to you retaking it 584 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,200 than not retaking it because then it'll still be fresh in 585 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,720 your mind and all that stuff. And honestly, I do think it was 586 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,680 beneficial. I mean, I'm obviously I'm not 587 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600 saying that everybody needs to take anatomy twice, but like I 588 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,040 said before, I don't think I was ready at the time because I was 589 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,800 like, like, I'm a good student. Like I can do this. 590 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,280 Like it's not even that big of a deal. 591 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,200 And I think me personally, I'm not saying this is for everyone, 592 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,320 but I think me personally, I think that reality needed to hit 593 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,720 where it's like, OK, like we're in, this is this is big girl, 594 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360 this is big boy time. This is big day then time, you 595 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,480 know, like you got to put your britches, pull your britches up 596 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,080 and all those Southern sayings that they say bootstraps and all 597 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,680 that. And I think it was beneficial 598 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,360 for me, especially just like paying attention. 599 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,720 And I'm like, OK, now I can apply this now. 600 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,200 Now that I'm not, I'm focused on knowing the information and 601 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,280 learning in the information and not just studying to take the 602 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,240 test. And then it falls out of my 603 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 brain because that's, that's kind of what I always was used 604 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,440 to doing was like studying for the test and then it falls out 605 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,320 of my brain. And I think that's also another 606 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,520 reason why I struggled my first year was because I wasn't 607 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,360 studying for like long term memory, if that makes sense. 608 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880 But yeah, they did. They did make me retake all the 609 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,800 classes. It makes more sense. 610 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,760 I kind of figured that they would do that, but I think 611 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,240 somebody had mentioned you didn't. 612 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,960 I don't remember. Anyway, my second question was 613 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,680 when you retake all these classes, does it just get 614 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,240 substituted for your GPA? Does it average? 615 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,000 Get substituted. I'm pretty sure it gets 616 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,200 substituted. I could be wrong. 617 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,600 I wish. I probably should have looked at 618 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,560 that before I came on here, but I. 619 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840 Didn't even think about it so. Because I asked, I was like, 620 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,600 well, if all of that goes away and I'm retaking all the same 621 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,720 classes, can I get my bachelor's degree? 622 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,080 And they were like, no. And I was like, but it's all the 623 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,360 same. And they were like, yeah, sorry, 624 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,120 it's got to do with like the 3 + 1 timeline. 625 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840 I was specifically told it's 3 + 1, not 3 + 2. 626 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,120 But that's OK. TVM or bust, baby. 627 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000 That's the BBM it is. I always think about, I know 628 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,160 there's somebody in our class who got in it. 629 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,800 I don't know what his birthday is, but you know, he's 19 now, 630 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,000 so I don't know if he got in at 18 or whatever. 631 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,040 And I'm just like, good Lord. Like some people, I never even 632 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440 considered the fact that you don't have to. 633 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,920 I didn't know this was a thing because apparently PSA Auburn 634 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,240 has this too and they don't tell us at all. 635 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,400 I had no idea until I graduated that you can do up until your 636 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,480 junior year. Just get your prereqs and then 637 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,840 if you get into Auburn. They will award you your 638 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,120 bachelor's degree. It's not really a 3 + 1, it's 639 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,280 more just like they'll give it to you at the same time I 640 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,960 believe. But I had no idea, like nobody 641 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,880 told me that I. Was like, that's so unfair. 642 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,080 I would have I graduated in three years anyway. 643 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,400 What I mean, I wouldn't have gotten into Auburn, but. 644 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,680 OK, and at LSU they like the LSU vet school I know specifically 645 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,680 is like you really only have to do the prereqs. 646 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,880 Like I mean, yes, you should get your bachelor's degree if you as 647 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,080 a fall back no matter what. That's why I keep telling all my 648 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,000 people that I know are in 3 + 1. I'm like, maybe get out of that 649 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,840 just just to be safe. It doesn't hurt. 650 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,160 I mean, especially if you're already a good student and 651 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,640 you're going to school for free, why not? 652 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,120 But because what? The reason I was in 3 + 1 was 653 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,360 because, well, I get tops for four years. 654 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,960 If I get into vet school that first time, I'm going to have 655 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,640 half my tuition covered. Well, then that didn't matter in 656 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,800 the end, because then I had to pay for tuition all over again. 657 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,520 So the only benefit of that was, well, at least I didn't have to 658 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,240 pay for a whole year. I really paid for like half an 659 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,640 extra year, so a semester. Yeah. 660 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,640 LSU does it where it's like you can apply to the vet school with 661 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840 only prereqs because one of the doctors I work with actually did 662 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,440 that and he only had the prereqs and he went to undergrad for two 663 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,960 years and then he got into that school. 664 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,320 I think he graduated in 2005. I don't know. 665 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,000 Could you talk about the thought process in your head? 666 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,480 Because I think people think a lot about my tuition will be 667 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,800 more. But I do believe, like it 668 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,200 cancels out in time. It might seem like a lot of 669 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,360 money right now. And obviously, like, yeah, if 670 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,600 you don't make your payments on time, if you don't strategize 671 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,480 well, it could turn into a lot more money. 672 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,120 But at the same time, it's like a chunk of money now, but it's 673 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,800 still an investment in yourself. I don't know how you view taking 674 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,000 on more money, more loans. I may not be the best person to 675 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,440 ask that because very much of the mindset where it's like 676 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,120 monkey's money, you can't take it with you when you die. 677 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,320 That's how I am. That's how I am. 678 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,000 That's how I've always been. I always get told they're like, 679 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,200 Oh my gosh, like you spend money on all this crazy. 680 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,560 I literally have a lightsaber signed by Hayden Christensen, 681 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,920 who plays Anakin Skywalker in the first 3 episodes of Star 682 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,000 Wars. I'm very much of the mindset 683 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,240 where money's money and you can't take it with when you die. 684 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,960 And I definitely was like, I wasn't raised that way. 685 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,600 I was raised to be like, save your money, be frugal, have 686 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,520 something to leave your kids when you die. 687 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,760 Yes, it's going to be 4 years of debt and it's going to suck. 688 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,320 And I especially feel bad for the people who are coming into 689 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,320 this, umm, clubbing class in, you know, I mean, assuming 690 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,320 there's people international listeners on the podcast, but 691 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,679 people in America, you. Have five countries that listen 692 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,880 to us. Isn't that fun Facts, period. 693 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,960 So, yeah, people in the USI mean, we're on a, we're on a 694 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,159 student loan cap now. So I feel bad for the people who 695 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,480 are having to go through that, you know, because you can only 696 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719 take out so much money and like, especially like out of state 697 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,520 students are really going to struggle with that. 698 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,040 So I personally feel like, you know, four years of debt, you 699 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,000 know, it sucks, It's a lot of debt to pay off. 700 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,840 But I also think that it's doable. 701 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,600 And I think, you know, especially once you graduate and 702 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,719 you get in your niche and you you practice what you love, I 703 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719 feel like doing what you love matters more than money. 704 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,880 And maybe that's, you know, an unrealistic way to look at 705 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,920 things in this day and age, but that's just kind of how I 706 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,640 personally feel about it. Yes, it does suck that I had to 707 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,240 pay for an extra year of tuition. 708 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,960 But I look at it as like, OK, I would pay, you know, like, if 709 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,280 they were like, oh, OK, well, you'll pass the Oski if you pay 710 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,920 us a whole nother year of tuition again, I would do it 711 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,120 right now. They're like $14,000 and you 712 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640 pass your Oski. OK, Who do I send it to? 713 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,840 You got Venmo. Like who do I, it's you right 714 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,800 now, But like you said, it's like a good investment in 715 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,800 yourself. And you know, if you and, and 716 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,160 also you can also use that financial stress to kind of 717 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,920 light a fire under your butt because it's like, OK, well, let 718 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,040 me do this in four years, Let me graduate. 719 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,320 Let me do well so I can do well for myself and then pay back 720 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,240 these loans so that I'm chilling. 721 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,520 Yeah. I mean, loans, they're going to 722 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,040 anybody who takes out loans, it's going to hit you at some 723 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,840 point or the other. How you handle it is up to you. 724 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,760 Some people have the mindset of not, you know, kind of like you 725 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,240 like, hey, I'm going to do it anyway. 726 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,560 Like everybody in this profession, I might be 727 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,080 generalizing here, but everybody that I've spoken to would pay 728 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,200 whatever they needed to pay to get this degree. 729 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,240 And that's crazy to me because you're talking about people 730 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,160 graduating their vet school like in the traditional. 731 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,360 Four year undergrad, 4 year, that school, especially if you 732 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,080 went out of state for both, I mean, you're getting up to 400, 733 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,200 five, $100,000 in loans. And that's just so unrealistic 734 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,960 sometimes. And so for reference, my out of 735 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,680 state tuition at Ellis is, I believe, 62 or $63,000 a year. 736 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,000 And the federal loan cap, which if you're curious, we have a 737 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,920 whole episode on the one big bill and how it affects that 738 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,680 student loan specifically with Doctor Rebecca Mears from then. 739 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,680 That's on the page if you're curious For more information. 740 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,520 But anyway, basically they're capping what you can take out. 741 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,920 And I think it was set up 55,000 a year. 742 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,000 Where am I going to come up with this extra $10,000 private 743 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,400 loans, da, da, da. And again, that's all in the 744 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,760 other episode, why it's bad and whatever. 745 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,520 But point is, people are taking on such a financial load no 746 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,840 matter where they go, especially out of state. 747 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,640 So, yeah, I mean, I can't imagine telling myself, hey, 748 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,760 another year of tuition, but it is nice that TOPS may be covered 749 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,280 a little bit of that and that you're in state because that's a 750 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,880 whole different ball game. I'm double it, literally double 751 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,960 it. It's double the tuition anywhere 752 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,320 out of state. And so, yeah, more props to you. 753 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,120 But I guess I want to talk a little bit about, I don't know 754 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,680 if this necessarily applies to you as much as it does somebody 755 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,920 who maybe failed or got AD Plus in one of their first semester 756 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,440 classes. But are there any early warning 757 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,160 signs or when to ask for help? Do you have any advice on that? 758 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920 So I feel like, and I've been lucky enough where I've had, you 759 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,800 know, a good support system I've had, I have really good friends 760 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,320 who support me and you know, always are there for me. 761 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,040 And of course, my partner is always there for me and he puts 762 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,240 up with my BS all the time and he's so great for it. 763 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,240 And I also got super, I'm a practice a little bit. 764 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,400 I got super lucky because when I started, when I started vet 765 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,120 school, we started dating the month before I started vet 766 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,080 school and we had met on Tinder. So like we did not know each 767 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,360 other. And I was like, Hey, I just want 768 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,040 to let you know I'm going into vet school and it's going to be 769 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960 a lot. And I probably won't have as 770 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,480 much time to, you know, you know, be super active and go on 771 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,320 dates and do all that stuff like I have to study. 772 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,080 I have to be home and study. And he was like, OK, well, I'll 773 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,640 sit next to you, you know, And it was just. 774 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,760 So I think that's something that's really important when you 775 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,560 go into bed. School is like, know who your 776 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,480 people are and you'll find out. Trust you will find out because 777 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,480 I had lost friends because they're like, well, you're not 778 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,920 emotionally available girl. I'm trying to keep my head above 779 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440 water. Like I got enough going on and 780 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960 it's like, I'm sorry that you know, and it obviously if 781 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,200 there's something big that happened, you know, support your 782 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,560 friends, don't neglect your friends, But you know, you have 783 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,880 to put yourself 1st. And that's something that I had 784 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,280 to learn was I need to put myself first. 785 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,400 I'm, I'm very much the type of person where I'm like, you know, 786 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,360 if they're like, we need someone to stay after work and everybody 787 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,440 kind of looks at each other and I'm like, don't worry, guys, 788 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,600 I'll do it. You know, like I'm just like 789 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,640 that kind of person where I feel bad. 790 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,720 But I think first of all, put yourself first, dude. 791 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,040 Daily. If that's too much weekly check 792 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,080 insurance with yourself. How am I feeling? 793 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,400 What do I need? What do I need more of? 794 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,640 What do I need less of? Shameless plug Finch is like 795 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,760 this little app where you take care of like a bird and it 796 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,320 literally helps me get done with all my tasks every day. 797 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440 I am neurodivergent and it's really hard for me to remember 798 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,240 to do everything or even like, I'm like, man, I don't want to 799 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:41,640 shout. Like the last thing I want to do 800 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,800 right now is shower. I'm so tired and I need to go to 801 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,000 bed because I've been studying for the last six hours. 802 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,520 But my little bird is like, but if you shower, you'll feel so 803 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,960 much better. And then I'm like, you're so 804 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,600 right. But anyway, so that's, that's 805 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,600 what I would recommend. You know, like, however you need 806 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000 to check in with yourself, however you need to like get 807 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,880 your emotional burdens off, whether that's going to therapy, 808 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,360 whether that's talking to someone who is available for, to 809 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,360 listen. Journaling's a really good one. 810 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560 Journaling's really good. I love to journal. 811 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,760 Just sitting in silence for like 5 minutes, it's crazy. 812 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840 But I would say warning signs, getting back to your original 813 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,880 question, warning signs that like you're not doing well is 814 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,240 that you're not doing well. If you're not doing well 815 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,560 mentally, personally and physically, you're not going to 816 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,520 do well academically. I don't people are like, I 817 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,480 pulled an all nighter for this test. 818 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,040 I'm judging you because you're not taking care of yourself. 819 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,880 That's not a flex. Like I feel bad for you. 820 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,440 I'm not like, wow, great job. I'm like, no, you should get 821 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,000 some sleep. You should get some sleep. 822 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,720 You should eat at least two meals a day. 823 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,600 Like if you were at least like if you're getting to the point 824 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,240 where it's like, man, like all I'm eating is junk food or like 825 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,880 all I'm doing is like picking on stuff from the vending machine, 826 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,920 that's a sign you're probably not doing well. 827 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,720 If you know, if you're not interested in your hobbies or 828 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,000 your outside relationships anymore, that's a sign you're 829 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,840 probably not doing well. As far as school goes, if you 830 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,760 signs that you're not doing well, like with school and you 831 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,240 need to reach out and ask for help academically would be like, 832 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,720 I would say if there's portions on the test when you're like, 833 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,120 genuinely, when did we talk about that? 834 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,120 Or like, if you hear your fellow classmates talking about 835 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,320 something and you're like, hey, when did that happen? 836 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,320 I was in class that day. Why do I not know what you're 837 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,560 talking about? And that happens to me still 838 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,960 because I'm friends with some people who were like really high 839 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560 in the ranks of guys and they're like, oh, did you know this, 840 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,720 that and the other? And I'm like, no, I didn't. 841 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,160 I really didn't. And it's OK not to know. 842 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,880 Like it's, it's not the end of the world if someone else knows. 843 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,360 And you don't just be like, hey, can you tell me that? 844 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,400 And that's something that I think is really good with our 845 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,040 class is that we help each other a lot. 846 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,720 And that was something that I didn't really have in my 847 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,880 previous class was that everybody was kind of like, 848 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,720 well, I want to be the best and I'm not going to help you 849 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,240 because I don't want you to be better than me. 850 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,760 But yes, like, or if you just feel behind all the time and you 851 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,840 just feel like you can never catch up and you never have a 852 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,600 day where you're like, I don't have anything to do today, you 853 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,640 know? And those like that means you, 854 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,440 if you feel like you're always just barely keeping your head 855 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,040 above water, you're always going home and you're having to play 856 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,680 catch up or you're always going home and you're like, Oh my 857 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,800 gosh, I have so much stuff to do. 858 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,120 Like I feel so overwhelmed. I would say that's like a sign 859 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,480 that you probably should reach out and be like, Hey, I need 860 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,520 some help managing my time better. 861 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,720 So that way I can have more time for school, but less time for 862 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,120 school, if that makes sense. So like, if you manage your time 863 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,840 better, you feel like you're doing school less, but you're 864 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,080 really doing it more, but it doesn't feel like more. 865 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,560 I would also say like, make time for your hobbies and doing 866 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,120 things that you care about, even if that's like playing video 867 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,800 games or something that you feel is stupid. 868 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,200 I crochet all the time. That was a hobby that I picked 869 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,440 up. But Kayla knows I'd be in class 870 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,840 crocheting. Like it helps me focus. 871 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,880 But yeah, I would say like, I feel like generally people know 872 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,840 when they're not doing OK. And the main thing is, is being 873 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,480 embarrassed to ask for help. And I know a lot of schools will 874 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,320 have an academic advisor. I know LSU has one. 875 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,760 That's a completely confidential conversation. 876 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,360 They're not going to tell anyone you met up with them, and no one 877 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,080 else is going to know why you met up with them. 878 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,040 Just lie. Like, if you really feel like 879 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,440 you need to lie, just lie. Be like, if someone's like, oh, 880 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,080 why'd you have that meeting with that person? 881 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,840 Oh, you know, it was just like club stuff. 882 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,280 I don't know. Just make something up, I think. 883 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,760 But truly, you, you don't need to be embarrassed to ask for 884 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,240 help because I think asking for help when you need it is 885 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,120 actually a sign that you're smarter. 886 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,920 Because that was something I also had to learn. 887 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,520 It's like, I don't know how to do everything and I need to not 888 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,840 act like or like the way I do things may not necessarily be 889 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,160 the correct way to do things. I think it's important to have 890 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,640 something other than school. If your life is just school, 891 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560 school, school all the damn time. 892 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,280 It's too much. It's too much. 893 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,760 And that's when you get overwhelmed and that's when you 894 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,960 feel like your world is small and that's when you feel like 895 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,520 there's nothing. You have nothing outside of that 896 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,360 school. I was feeling that way for a 897 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,520 long time and then I was like, and then I finally found 898 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,120 something that I was really interested in and passionate 899 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,000 about. And that's like sewing and 900 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,440 crocheting and making things. And I think, I mean, and not 901 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,920 everyone's a creative person, but I feel like I also feel like 902 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,720 making things is such a catharsis that releases a lot. 903 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,880 And it's also a good way to like reflect on how you're feeling as 904 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,520 well, I think. There's this assumption. 905 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,720 I had a couple friends, including myself, like fall for 906 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:42,200 it, that thinking more time in the books and more time studying 907 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,400 will make you perform better. Yes, to a degree. 908 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,360 I'm going to say you need to put in the amount of effort and the 909 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,680 amount of time needed to learn the material, but you need to 910 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,960 space it out and you need to take breaks and staring at it 911 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,320 for a million hours, your brain cannot do that. 912 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,040 Do so much better after I take breaks because you don't put 913 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,800 your whole life onto an exam. And when you start doing that, 914 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,280 that's when it's dangerous for your brain. 915 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,360 That's when it's dangerous for your mental health. 916 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,040 When you put all yourself worth into school, when you, like you 917 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,680 said, when you stop seeing family members, when you stop 918 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,680 enjoying your normal activities, when you don't do your normal 919 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,640 activities, like maybe if you go to the gym for three hours a day 920 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,200 under undergrad. I don't think you could afford 921 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,120 to do that in veterinary school, but could you go three times a 922 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,560 week for three hours or could you go for an hour a day in the 923 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,360 morning before classes? Yes. 924 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,240 Do I do that? Absolutely not. 925 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,440 Things like that. Have you like, pet your cat? 926 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,480 You know, have you actually played with your cat? 927 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,360 Not just them being in the background, like Milo's right 928 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,960 here with me. Have you brushed your horses? 929 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,520 You know, have you picked their hubs? 930 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440 Like have you taken care of them and yourself? 931 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,080 Yeah, One thing I had a friend tell me, I don't know where she 932 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,760 came up with it, but it was genius when she said it. 933 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,840 So her and I are both the kind of people where with books or 934 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,840 with certain hobbies, arts and crafts, sometimes, not all the 935 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,760 time. We are both very into all of 936 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,720 these things, but there's a finish line. 937 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600 And it was always like, Oh well, I just want to get this done. 938 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,640 Like I'm I'm having fun, but I want to finish it. 939 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,040 So I'm going to put aside everything else so I can finish 940 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,560 this project I'm working on, this book I'm reading, whatever 941 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,480 I might be M JS guilty. I knew it, but there's nothing 942 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,880 wrong with that. But she had this brilliant 943 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,760 realization and she was like, so instead of doing those things, I 944 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,600 still do those things for fun, but she's also a busy person and 945 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,280 she chose a hobby that was it had no finish line. 946 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,000 So she chose to rent out a keyboard because when she was 947 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,720 young, she's had do piano lessons and there is no end. 948 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,280 You can always get better. So I thought that was really 949 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,640 cool. And there's no like feeling of, 950 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,640 oh, just this chapter, just this that like you're just 951 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,000 practicing. You're just practicing. 952 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,640 It's endless. It's literally endless. 953 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,880 Like I grew up in band. It is endless. 954 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,440 And you can finish a song. You can finish practicing a 955 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,480 song, but you'll never be perfection at it. 956 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,520 You'll always have tomorrow, the next day. 957 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,840 It takes years. And so I thought that was a good 958 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,000 idea. Another good idea that I do 959 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,720 personally is every single night I take a bath and every night in 960 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,600 the bath I read a book. So that was how I got ahead of 961 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,400 the whole like I have to finish it or, oh, I want to finish. 962 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,600 Like I'm enjoying it, so I want to finish it and I'm going to 963 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,000 put everything else aside and finish it. 964 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,440 But that way it gives me the time to sit down, relax, take my 965 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,440 bath, read my book, which is something I want to do. 966 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,280 I'm not forcing myself to do it, But whenever I get to a chapter, 967 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,480 I close it and I get out of the bath. 968 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,320 I can't sit in the bath forever. I'll sit there for a long time, 969 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,960 but point is, and I don't pick it up outside of the outside of 970 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,440 the bathroom. Like it stays in there and 971 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,280 that's my fun, like relaxed time. 972 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,120 And then when I get out of the bathtub, back to work, like kind 973 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,040 of that's one way that I've found. 974 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:56,480 Yeah, and I found I hacked my own system because I, I also, I 975 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,760 saw I sew and I, I also cosplay and stuff. 976 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,480 So I've, I've so much of a victim of like I need to finish 977 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,680 this tonight. Like I, because it's like, I 978 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,520 know I can do it, but it's like, should you do it? 979 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,920 And when I picked up crocheting, I found out I was like, you can 980 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,480 only crochet for so long at one point in time because then your 981 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,560 wrist starts to hurt and then you need to take a break. 982 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,240 Because if you don't, if like if you start to hurt and you keep 983 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,600 going, you can literally get carpal tunnel. 984 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,800 So I'm like, if I'm crocheting and I'm like, OK, this is kind 985 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,320 of starting to get uncomfortable. 986 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,080 My fingers are kind of getting sore. 987 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,880 I need, I need to stop and do something else for a little bit 988 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,680 while and then I can come back, you know, and it's also 989 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,200 beneficial because it's one of those hobbies where you can do 990 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,240 it while you are doing something else. 991 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,520 So it's like it's you can watch lectures while you do it, but I 992 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,960 mean like I can't do it while I study. 993 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,760 It's too distracting. So it's like, OK, well, 994 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,000 Commodoro timers have saved my life. 25 minutes on, 5 minutes 995 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,560 off. I get to study for 25 minutes, 5 996 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,040 minutes, I get to crochet and I just put my ball of yarn right 997 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,000 next to me and I'm like OK, 5 minutes I crochet and then I go 998 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,240 right back to studying and it kind of gets out that need 999 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,760 because I always feel like 05 minutes, Like that's not a break 1000 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,280 at all because I'm always scrolling on my phone. 1001 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,120 It's always that damn phone. But whenever you find something 1002 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,040 in between that's not scrolling on your phone to have breaks and 1003 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,120 stuff, they seem to last a little bit longer. 1004 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,720 I found myself when I'm really. Stressed. 1005 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,280 We'll end up here soon with some final words, but I find myself 1006 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,960 when I'm stressed and I'm studying at the school because 1007 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,240 that's just my preferred place to study. 1008 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,480 I will go during my breaks pace and one time I walked like 5 1009 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,480 miles pacing in that little like orthopedic hallway, the short 1010 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,560 hallway. I was doing circles, just 1011 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,520 circles and circles and circles. But I was having fun. 1012 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,640 I was having the time of my life. 1013 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,920 I was like whoa. And then I sprained my ankle 1014 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,440 because I was going so fast and I was like, I'm. 1015 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,880 Such AI literally sprained my ankle. 1016 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200 I was like, all right, gotta chill Outback to studying. 1017 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,440 But it's funny. I wish I had Strava and it would 1018 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,640 just show me going like this around the vet school. 1019 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,120 But all right, let's talk about or Gretel. 1020 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,000 Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about before we 1021 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,360 kind of close up? No, I love that. 1022 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,440 I absolutely do. Picking up habits that bring you 1023 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,720 peace? Very important. 1024 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,960 Right. I had a couple notes. 1025 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,440 We've already addressed them, but kind of to synopsis, give a 1026 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,080 synopsis. I hope we addressed a little bit 1027 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,600 of the stigma around failing and remediating. 1028 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,280 Again, it is not just MJ who did this. 1029 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,080 It is not just you, the listener who's at risk for this. 1030 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,040 It is every single one of us. Everybody's at risk for it. 1031 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:32,560 It can happen to anybody. It does happen to more than one 1032 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,400 person a year at, I don't want to say all schools, but at least 1033 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,920 gradualized universities. Like it happens, it really does. 1034 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,520 And it is not talked about. I didn't even think about 1035 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,400 failing or failing a class or failing out before I got into 1036 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,240 that school. And then once I got in and I was 1037 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,160 faced with like. When I'm on that cusp of D + C 1038 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,440 minus. And then I was looking at our 1039 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,720 handbook and I was like, wait, there's actually not a lot of 1040 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,840 information on this. Like maybe we should talk about 1041 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,520 it. So when MJ proposed, they said 1042 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,240 let's talk about it. And I said, come on. 1043 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,480 Like. Let's talk about it to the 1044 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,960 extent that we can. It's not that it's undercover, 1045 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,920 it's just very case dependent I feel. 1046 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,080 But there is always a second chance. 1047 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:19,080 It's just a matter of how you do it and also normalizing setbacks 1048 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,680 in rigorous programs in general. Despised not only to vet school, 1049 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,240 even for undergrad, things happen. 1050 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,520 You might have to take a class again, You might have to take a 1051 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,520 semester again, whatever it might be, reframe. 1052 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,400 I like this one, but reframing failure as data, not identity. 1053 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,280 Like that's just like 1 little data point and your huge data 1054 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,800 charts. You know what I mean? 1055 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,520 Like if you're progressing and you're still at a upward trend 1056 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,000 and it's just this one little dot down there, why are you 1057 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,120 letting that kind of take over everything? 1058 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,040 And what you're thinking, I know I've fallen victim to it in 1059 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,720 other aspects of my life, but applies here too. 1060 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,920 So MJ, if you could tell yourself your past self one 1061 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,600 thing, what would it be? Have compassion for yourself, be 1062 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,600 kind. There's nothing wrong with 1063 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,160 having a set back. There's nothing wrong with 1064 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,680 having a road bump. What matters is picking yourself 1065 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,120 back up and not letting that define you. 1066 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,520 There is a quote from Latrice Royale from season 4 of Drag 1067 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,400 Race that I think about all the time and it's not word for word, 1068 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,960 but it's you're going to fall. But when you fall, you get up, 1069 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,960 you look sickening and you make them eat it and you prove them 1070 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,760 wrong. And that's what I do. 1071 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,080 And and I'm like, who am I proving wrong? 1072 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,840 I don't know them. I'm proving them wrong. 1073 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,080 And you just, I'm like, yeah, stick to the man. 1074 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,280 I'm like, I have no haters, but I'm like, stick it to the man 1075 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,640 anyway. You know what I mean? 1076 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,200 It's just like, I don't the way I handle is come up with an 1077 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,600 imaginary enemy. And that's what I'll say to 1078 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,480 myself and what I would say to people. 1079 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,240 And as a closing word, because I've yapped so much and I've 1080 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:04,120 derailed this entire podcast. But what I will say say is if 1081 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,000 you're like, oh, well, this doesn't apply to me. 1082 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,280 I'm a good student. I do well in bed school. 1083 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,000 What I will say to you, dear listener, have compassion for 1084 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,360 people who are maybe not doing as well. 1085 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,040 I've had people make comments to me that are they're hurtful. 1086 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,200 Like even if it comes off, oh, it's a joke, you know, like I'm 1087 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,440 not trying to be hurtful. Like, you know, I have some 1088 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,320 compassion. Don't talk about, I mean, 1089 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,800 imagine how you would feel if you feel out of that school, you 1090 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,760 know, like that's, that's a pretty low point. 1091 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,400 And for anyone. And I think, you know, be 1092 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,920 sensitive about it. Some people may treat it as like 1093 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,360 and whatever, you know, like, I don't really care. 1094 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,000 We move on, life moves on. But there's some people who get 1095 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,400 really broken up about that stuff or that's a very sensitive 1096 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,600 topic to be discussed in certain situations. 1097 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,360 So I just think, you know, if you are thinking, OK, well, this 1098 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,560 doesn't apply to me. Like whatever, just just be 1099 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,040 compassionate. That's it. 1100 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,080 Thank you so much for joining us, MJI. 1101 00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:03,120 Want to thank you for, first of all, being so open and 1102 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,840 vulnerable about it. I think it's going to help so 1103 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,600 many people. And I know people think they'll 1104 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,800 never be in this place, but literally this happened to my 1105 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:20,160 friend as well where she was 1 1/2 points away and and we can't 1106 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,400 say it's on the professor to move anything. 1107 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,440 I want people to know a lot of the times it's this close and 1108 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,040 for whatever reason it happens, you come back and guess what? 1109 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,920 They make the best veterinarians in the world because they want 1110 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,640 to be there more than anyone else. 1111 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,760 Yeah, that's very true. I don't want to wish it on 1112 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,640 anybody, but I do believe failure in any sense or hard 1113 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,120 things, adversity makes everybody stronger. 1114 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,600 That's not a new concept to anybody, hopefully. 1115 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,680 And just stop my last message. It's not even about remediation. 1116 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,160 It's stop telling people that like they don't deserve to be 1117 00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,760 here because I've been told to my face more than once if you 1118 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,600 didn't do XYZ, you don't deserve to be here when that statement 1119 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,720 applied to me. And it's like you don't even 1120 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:09,320 know me. You didn't even know that that 1121 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,720 statement applied to me, whether it was GPA or clinics or 1122 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,000 whatever it might have been. And you have the audacity to sit 1123 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,640 here and tell me, a stranger to my face? 1124 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,760 We're in the same class, we are sitting shoulder to shoulder 1125 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,240 taking the same classes, passing the same classes, getting 1126 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,400 through this together, working as a team. 1127 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,880 We might be in the same PBL group, we might do a group 1128 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,640 project. We might be in clinics together 1129 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,200 on the same rotation in a couple years. 1130 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,760 And you were sitting here telling me I don't deserve to be 1131 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,760 here and you know nothing about me. 1132 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,240 You didn't know that statement applied to me. 1133 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,400 But just the thought that you would say that is crazy. 1134 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,520 And I see it happen all the time. 1135 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,480 So just chill. Chill with that in that school, 1136 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,040 out of that school that needs to stop but being so negative. 1137 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,440 It is especially to somebody who you don't know or to people you 1138 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,360 do know. I don't want to generalize, but 1139 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,560 anyway, yeah, thank you everybody for listening TuneIn 1140 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,960 to the next episode. We're on Apple podcast, YouTube, 1141 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:03,720 Spotify, all of the things. And thank you again, MJ, for 1142 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,880 coming on and we'll see you next time. 1143 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,280 Thanks for having me, bye. Thanks, MJ.