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Hello everyone, welcome back to 
the Vet Files with Gretel and 

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Mckaylin. 
Today we are talking about a 

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reflection of the past semester,
to be exact, our first semester 

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ever in vet school. 
Earlier in the year we talked 

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about our first month in vet 
school and now we we have 

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succeeded, we have passed, we 
have made it past semester 1. 

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Great. 
Yes, 12.5% done if you're in a 

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four year program like us, and I
know a lot of people are 

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celebrating that at the end of 
the semester. 

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And I was like, technically it 
depends on the school you go to,

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but we are 20% done with classes
because we do 2 1/2 years of 

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classes and I think you do, 
you're at 2520%, yeah. 

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Right, closer to 20%, Yeah, as 
we go a little into the summer. 

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Right. 
But the two by two and we have 

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like a 2 1/2 by 1 1/2 
essentially. 

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So it's definitely interesting, 
but if you had to describe your 

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semester in one word, what would
it be and why? 

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This is a tricky one. 
I've been trying to think of the

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perfect word and I'm like I'm 
going to go with adaptive. 

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A lot of changes. 
Yeah, I don't even know what I 

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would say. 
I guess just we're talking about

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whirlwind before that word is 
kind of settling with me right 

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now. 
So definitely a whirlwind. 

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Lots of different things going 
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it was crazy. 
But yeah, I, so I think compared

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to undergrad, one thing I was 
worried about it was the 

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transition between undergrad and
vet school. 

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And I was really worried because
I wasn't always like, I don't 

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want to say I was a bad student,
but my academics weren't always 

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my number one priority. 
I was very focused on my social 

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life, not a party girl, but you 
know, I had friends. 

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I like to hang out with my 
friends and I had, you know, 

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clubs and I had jobs and my last
focus was school, to be honest. 

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Like I was pretty much a 
straight B student. 

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A's and B's, some C's, some D's,
some I don't know. 

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Anyway, so I was really worried 
about, you know, was I going to 

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be able to withstand academic 
rigor That is vet school. 

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And overall, I think I did 
really well. 

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I don't know my GPA. 
I'm just choosing for my piece, 

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not to keep track of that. 
But I passed all my classes and 

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everything is good. 
What about you? 

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The same kind of feeling like it
was weird going from, you know, 

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A's and B's. 
And then like also, Michaela, 

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you were a great student. 
We're in vet school, so 

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everything we did was good 
enough for us to get in and go 

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well beyond it. 
So I was nervous because in 

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undergrad, you know, I love 
school, but I was a 

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procrastinator. 
Looking back now, I realized 

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like undergrad could have even 
gone better had I attained the 

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skills that I know now. 
So my procrastination ultimately

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stopped me at the same time, 
like you were talking about 

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Michaela. 
And like, I saw friends, like I 

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worked a million jobs, I was in 
a million extracurriculars. 

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And guess what? 
I'm glad I did. 

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And I'm glad I didn't just sit 
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have multiple years to do that 
now. 

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So I'm glad that we ventured 
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And let's think about it. 
Was it as hard as we were warned

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it would be because we were 
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Don't do it. 
It's like the worst thing ever. 

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What are your thoughts, 
Mikaelin? 

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Yeah, I remember somebody told 
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remember. 
Everything is a blur. 

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Like once I got again, whirlwind
of the semester, like it's been 

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crazy. 
So it's slipped to my mind now, 

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but somebody told me or 
Eyewitness, I don't know, a girl

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I went to undergrad with, you 
know, was sitting, she got into 

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vet school and her first 
semester she was sitting on a 

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little wall outside of the vet 
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And I was like, how are you 
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And she's like, I'm OK, don't go
to vet school. 

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She was like, I love it, but 
it's hard. 

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And I was like, OK, well, that's
about, you know, that makes me 

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scared. 
But honestly, I don't know if 

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it's because we're on the new 
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I didn't think I've said this 
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It was not easy by any means, 
but I had psyched myself out for

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it to be so bad that when I got 
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like, manageable. 
Like people graduate like, this 

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is fine, you know? 
And so I was glad to make it 

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through this semester. 
And it's OK to fail test. 

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A lot of people I know that they
had this arc that was, you know,

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they started at the bottom and 
then they slowly went up as we 

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got through the semester. 
I kind of had the opposite. 

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I started really high and I was 
doing good. 

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And then at the end of the 
semester there, I just had so 

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much lifestyle going on and I 
just, you know, I think I ended 

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up with 1C, which is fine, I 
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But it's like very important to 
me to be open and honest and 

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say, like, I didn't make 
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first got to that school. 
Nobody's required to share their

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grade. 
But I always feel comfortable 

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and open saying like, hey, it's 
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It's OK to like not do so hot in
a class or two. 

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It's OK to fail out and restart 
next year. 

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You get there when you get 
there, you know. 

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Definitely, I think looking at 
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hard. 
And I've also spoken to, you 

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know, we had our episode with 
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talking about comparing 
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So looking back on the year, 
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then talking to my other friends
who go to different veterinary 

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schools that I hadn't spoken to 
yet, I have gotten the consensus

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that right now Mizzou with the 
two and two is a bit more 

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intense than their programs now.
I don't know if that's like 

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forever the but that was what I 
was warned about when I chose 

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this. 
So for me, I constantly felt 

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like I was drowning and 
exhausted and there weren't 

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enough hours in the day. 
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we were really rough. 
Like over 1/4 of my class was 

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asked to like possibly have to 
repeat, and I was not in that 

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group. 
But at the same time, it kind of

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felt like at any moment one bad 
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So the first two months were 
incredibly draining. 

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But you figure it out as you go,
you get better, you learn 

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better, study tactics. 
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sitting after the first couple 
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comprehending that I should be 
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It's that like arrogant 
assumption because in undergrad 

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I was a procrastinator. 
Like I'll just study two to 

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three days before the exam, but 
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And Mizzou were constantly 
tested. 

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So every test is like 2 weeks of
material except our program you 

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do a semester in eight weeks. 
So really it's like 4 weeks of 

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material and and it's so much 
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So that had really like clicked 
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So then you learn though, and 
you get better and you roll the 

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punches. 
And now I look back in the exams

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I was really afraid of were like
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Anatomy though is like 
everything else went fine except

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for anatomy. 
So I'm in the same boat as Zema 

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Caitlin. 
There's always that one class 

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that just doesn't job with you. 
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interesting is I actually really
liked everything we were 

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learning. 
I just didn't have the 

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wherewithal, the motivation, the
energy to study it and to get an

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A on the test. 
So I like bombed my last two 

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exams. 
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Function but anatomy and 
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combined. 
Anyway that class I like bombed 

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my last two exams and it was 
only it was like 40% of our 

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grade and I was like I passed 
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Like I did what I could. 
Barely made it out alive with 

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like a 71. 
I'm happy because genuinely, 

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like I thought I've been saying 
for months, I'm cool with the C,

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I'm cool with the CA Lot of 
people say I'm cool with the CI 

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just want to see and then they 
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an air B, which is about that's 
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I thought I was going to be that
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was like, oh, Hallelujah. 
I genuinely didn't even care. 

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I was like, I'm so over it. 
I'm done. 

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I just want this semester. 
I had a lovely semester. 

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I love my vet school. 
I just, it was, I just had a 

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rough end of this semester and 
so I was just kind of like, I'm 

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ready for it to be over. 
I passed it's whatever. 

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And now we're moving forward and
now we're starting. 

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Gretel and I are both starting 
on large animal, which is more 

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our Forte. 
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let's get into this. 
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starting off with bones and so I
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bone. 
I'm going to ace this test and 

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then don't quote me on that 
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I'm testing on it, don't ask me 
that like. 

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Exactly. 
It's like, I'll retain it for 

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the exam. 
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professor was like, OK, write 
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from the axial skeleton. 
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and she goes, this is not good, 
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I'm like, I know, I know. 
OK, it's Monday. 

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It's 9 AMI guarantee we know 
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So that was funny. 
But anatomy was not my favorite,

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my favorite and said, let's see.
See, sometimes I felt like I 

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just had to study so much that I
didn't even have time to pick a 

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favorite because it's like, I 
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emotion about this. 
I just have to do that. 

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That sounds horrible, but it's 
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Like people were like, oh, 
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anything? 
I'm like, no, I don't really 

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have time to have emotions about
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I just have to do it to survive.
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That's OK. 
That's just my reality. 

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And while I was away for the two
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what? 
I can come back. 

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I can do this again and I'm 
looking forward to coming back 

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and doing this again. 
I know like our professor did 

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the same thing, you know, 8:00 
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this morning. 
They were like, OK, write down. 

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We started with the thoracic 
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proximal to distal every bone 
and then another list, write 

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down every joint from proximal 
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of the canine. 
And then I'm going to teach you 

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about, you know, the differences
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And we're like, OK, apparently 
there was pre work. 

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Apparently we were supposed to 
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Didn't read that. 
I didn't look at that. 

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I was like, I'm not starting 
before 8:00 AM on Monday. 

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I'm going to write my schedule 
down. 

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I'm going to make sure I don't 
have like quizzes before 8:00 AM

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Monday and then I'm just going 
to show up. 

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And so I was OK, didn't do that.
Of course, that's not the 

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hardest thing in the world, but 
you know, doing it off of memory

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without like a model, I think 
it's easier with the model to 

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say, oh, this is this joint, 
this joint, this joint. 

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Then you have to go in your head
and think about that. 

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But yeah, that was definitely 
not what I expected first out of

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the gate lecture because we 
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this current course because it's
still new and there's a lot that

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doesn't make sense to some 
people at first because it's the

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new curriculum and it's set up a
little different. 

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Our lab is completely different 
than what we did last semester, 

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which I think is pretty 
consistent across the board 

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because you go from dissecting a
full dog because you know dogs, 

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they're not easier to get, but 
they're easier to fit 200 or 

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however many you might have in 
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Whereas not every student is 
going to be able to dissect out 

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a whole horse. 
It's not reasonable. 

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So we were kind of prefaced by 
saying like, OK, here's how it's

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gonna go. 
We're gonna have stations, we're

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gonna have this, which I much 
prefer. 

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But I think you can't really get
through vet or Med school 

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without doing a dissection. 
It's like a rite of passage. 

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Even though I didn't really 
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I was like I'm over this but. 
You've seen it too many Times 

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Now. 
I'm not a fan of like cleaning 

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the fat and fat Shaw off, but I 
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horses and ruminants. 
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favorite just because of the 
sheer volume of everything in my

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brain. 
I have found its Max capacity. 

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single day before the exam, it's
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because just to get through a 
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and then you have to go back and
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But I am figuring it out as we 
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lot about cancer and that's one 
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one dog who passed away from 
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behind me who just got diagnosed
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So it's horrible and it's sad, 
but I, I do understand it and I 

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feel like that's helped me a lot
throughout this process. 

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Like it even helps to grieve it 
because you understand how it 

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works or treat it like, Oh my 
gosh, I've thrown everything 

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that I can think of and 
researched at them. 

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bit. 
It definitely changed my view on

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Vetmed being able to understand 
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Yeah, it's hard to go in. 
Like, similar to you. 

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We both had a crazy year with 
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mineralized tumor from his 
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And it was like, what is that? 
I still don't know. 

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I don't even want to know, to be
honest. 

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I was like, I don't, I'll learn 
about it later. 

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I've asked vets about it and 
they're like, I've never seen 

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that. 
And I was like, then I don't 

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need to know. 
You know what, keep it out of my

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head. 
I don't need that anyway. 

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It is definitely interesting. 
It made me think about, you 

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know, well, what if I did? 
I genuinely considered it for a 

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minute. 
I was like, I think oncology as 

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a specialty is really 
interesting. 

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I could possibly do it, but I 
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Internet dogs die. 
And I was like, I can't, I 

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probably shouldn't do that. 
Like I'm not like tough enough 

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in front of the patients. 
I'll just cry because when 

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somebody else starts crying, 
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So I was like I can't. 
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holiday season with was peak 
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And so going into a externship, 
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both small animal GPS and just 
doing euthanasia after 

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euthanasia after euthanasia. 
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dogs down unrelated. 
I'm not, I'm killing my dogs. 

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It was just bizarre. 
Anyway, putting that out there 

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because that sounds kind of 
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Anyway, I had to put two of my 
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Christmas, on Christmas Eve and 
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influencers that I followed were
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season, you know, give your vet 
a hug. 

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And I was like, what? 
So I tried to look it up and I 

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thought it was very interesting.
Getting off topic here, but I 

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don't know, it's something to 
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I didn't really find any 

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definite answer on why, but 
basically a lot of reasons, 

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something to be aware of because
I was not aware of that and not 

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prepared for that going into my 
little externships and putting 

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down like 7 dogs, 10 dogs a day.
I was like, OK, that's fine. 

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But as far as my courses going 
back to school, I think my least

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favorite course, I don't know, 
I'm going to say fundamentals of

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diagnostics and surgery because 
it was pretty much just 

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radiology all semester and we 
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is formed and learn about 
photons again. 

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And that just like triggered me 
and I just couldn't, I didn't 

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want to hear that. 
So I, I got through it, I 

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actually did fine in the class 
and it was very, very helpful to

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go into an extranship after that
and look at all the X-rays and 

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say, I can actually understand 
what I'm looking at now, other 

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than looking at like ATV show 
and being like, no, that looks 

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bad. 
Now I can say like, OK, here's 

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what that structure is, here's 
what opacity that might be and 

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what might be going on. 
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opposite of you, I would 
probably say anatomy as a 

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lecturer or clinical skills lab 
was always really fun because 

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personally I'm severely lacking 
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They teach you from day one. 
They're like, OK, we're going to

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assume you have absolutely no 
knowledge and we're going to 

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train you tech jobs. 
Instead of just as dismissing as

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a vet saying, oh, that's a tech 
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They're saying, OK, I want to 
teach you from a text 

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perspective how to train your 
texts in the future. 

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You know what I mean? 
I thought that was really 

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helpful for me as somebody who 
had never teched personally to 

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go in and say, OK, here's how 
you do a blood draw. 

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Here's how you take an X-ray, 
not interpret it. 

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Here's how you do basic, you 
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Cool, that was very helpful to 
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So I really like that class. 
It's interesting to hear like I 

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have friends at three other 
veterinary schools or three or 

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four and comparing with them 
like the order of things that 

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are taught because we are all 
taught the same exact things 

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just at completely different 
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So that is really interesting to
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little bit on radiology and a 
little bit how it works, but it 

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was like a couple slides. 
It wasn't something huge. 

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Speaking of like things being 
different, Mizzou, we constantly

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are tested. 
We have like 2 to 3 quizzes a 

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week and then we have let's say 
it'll like skip a week, but I 

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normally have one or two exams 
per week. 

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Once we move further into the, 
we call it IP. 

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That's like our version of like 
an 8 week semester. 

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So for me, it was constantly 
like you're in a state of I need

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to be on, like my brain needs to
be working to keep up in order 

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to like prepare because there's 
so many coming at you. 

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And I think that was the hardest
adjustment because I used to be 

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a procrastinator, but I can't do
that anymore because you're 

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constantly on. 
So it was kind of like my brain 

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had to work like a muscle. 
Like when you go back into the 

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gym and you're exhausted the 
first day because you haven't 

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used it in a while. 
Like, I felt my brain being so, 

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so tired, and then you just got 
used to it. 

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And then I'd be able to take 
shorter breaks. 

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Like I couldn't do long breaks 
because I could feel myself like

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needing to go back to the work. 
I don't know, Michaela, how did 

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you feel? 
I kind of so different than 

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yours our there's pros and cons 
to both. 

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I'm not going to sit here and 
say that I hate mine or I hate 

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yours because really they're 
very different and you can't 

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really compare them. 
It's comparing apples and 

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oranges truly because you like 
you said you're tested more 

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often but in theory on less 
lectures. 

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I have the opposite problem 
where I'm tested less often but 

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it'll be on like 81214 lectures.
So you have to pull information 

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from however long ago that first
lecture was and relearn it to 

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the fullest. 
You know? 

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I don't know. 
It's very interesting comparing 

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the two. 
I've thought about it a lot. 

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I still can't choose a favorite.
I think I like this one just 

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because I don't really try. 
I don't personally struggle too 

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much with exam anxiety. 
I struggle with Oh my God, I'm 

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not studying right now and I 
have an exam next week Anxiety. 

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Does that make sense? 
It's like not the exam itself, 

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but the studying for the exam is
what makes me anxious because 

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I'm like, I'm not studying hard 
enough. 

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I'm not studying good enough. 
Once I get into the exam I'm 

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over. 
I don't even study the day of 

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exams. 
I'm like whatever I know now is 

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what I'm going to know in an 
hour. 

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I'm not learning anything new 
between now and 2:00 PM 

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whatever. 
So that's usually how I go into 

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it. 
But did you deal? 

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I know you test way often. 
Does that kind of just negate 

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pre exam anxiety or is that 
something you still have to deal

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with? 
I think you get used to it, at 

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least for me. 
I don't sit down and exam and 

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freak out because I know that 
will not help me. 

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Like by the time I get to it, 
like I know I've already put in 

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the effort to do like as well as
I can. 

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Like I'll go over a Quizlet 
that's like 405 hundred terms at

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least once or twice. 
I've read all the PowerPoints. 

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I've gone through everything 
that I possibly can and for me 

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that has to be enough. 
So if I get above, you know, 

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let's see, let's just say like 
my goal is to pass every single 

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exam and by the time I move 
through like a 400 to 500 term 

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Quizlet, take practice exams, 
look at all the PowerPoints. 

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I know I can get that. 
So after learning that, even 

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though it takes hours, I cannot 
explain hours in order to 

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prepare for even one exam that's
supposed to not be that hard. 

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That's not true. 
It is always hard. 

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Like don't listen to others, 
like prepare like it's a hard 

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exam always like it will be 
fine. 

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So I'm just like, I know what I 
need to do in order to do fine, 

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but if I don't manage my time 
well and I can't prepare in the 

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way that I know I need to 
prepare, that's when I have 

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anxiety and stress, not the test
itself. 

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Exactly I always get stressed in
like the week of but not the 

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actual exam. 
Actual exam. 

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Like I said, I know what I'm 
going to know, but I adopted 

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that habit in like high school. 
Like I never studied in high 

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school, but when I got to 
college, I would study and I 

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would go and sit in the exam 
other than Okem, Okem is the 

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exception. 
I would always get anxious 

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during those exams. 
Anything else, I never really 

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struggled with that because I 
was like, genuinely in my mind, 

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I'm if I'm screwed, I'm screwed.
If I'm good, I'm good. 

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Like I'm not changing that in 
the next 30 minutes that I'm 

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going to take to take this test.
And I got a lot of like, I don't

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want to say hate, but you know, 
teased got teased a little 

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because I'm always. 
One of the first people done 

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with my tests and I always tell 
people I'm like, that does not 

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mean I did well. 
That just means I read fast and 

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maybe I didn't know anything. 
I guessed like to be clear, but 

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I always thought that was funny 
when people came up to me and 

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they're like, Dang, like, do you
feel good about that test? 

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You left after like 10 minutes 
and I'm like, no, I read fast. 

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I did awful. 
I bet I failed that test, but 

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that's always interesting to me.
People think I'm so smart 

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because I finished fast. 
I'm like, no, it's quite the 

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opposite. 
I probably didn't read half of 

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those, bad habit. 
But that is another thing that 

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helps me with my test anxiety. 
And I developed that in like 

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junior high or high school when 
I used to get really bad test 

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anxiety. 
And it's not for everybody, but 

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the method that my teacher and I
came up with over the couple 

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years that I was with her small 
town schools, You have the same 

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English teacher for eight years.
Anyway, I was like, OK, 

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basically I was going back and 
second guessing myself on all 

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these answers. 
And you can see the eraser where

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I'd gone back, everybody's done 
that. 

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You know, you put the right 
answer, you erase it, you put a 

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different answer. 
That's essentially what I was 

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doing for my whole life because 
I got so anxious. 

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I was like, Oh no, no, no, no, 
it's wrong. 

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I put A, I'm actually going to 
change that to B. 

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And then I went back. 
It's actually A. 

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So to negate that, I don't 
review my tests. 

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I take my test, turn it in and 
leave and not forget about it 

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because that's the only way that
me personally not recommending 

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that for everybody because some 
people misread questions a lot. 

443
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,960
A lot happens here and there for
me, but for the most part I just

444
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,160
am intentional when I read the 
question the first time and try 

445
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,200
not to miss anything. 
Also in vet school, not always 

446
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,000
true, but a lot of times they 
try to be cognizant of the fact 

447
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,960
that the Navali is multiple 
choice. 

448
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,120
Straightforward. 
There is no, or you know, it's 

449
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,520
advertised to us as there should
not be a lot of questions that 

450
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,240
say all of these are true, 
except there's no true or false 

451
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,120
questions. 
There's no, I don't believe 

452
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,080
there's any fill in the blank 
question, things like that. 

453
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,600
So they try to cut those sorts 
of questions out where you could

454
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,280
miss read something that said 
all of these are true, but or 

455
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,080
all of these are false except 
they try to cut those out and 

456
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,760
it's just straightforward 
multiple choice. 

457
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,000
And then a couple fill in the 
blank and we do something called

458
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280
hotspot questions where it's 
like a picture and you drop a 

459
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,240
pin on whatever the answer might
be. 

460
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,280
So I think it's very 
interesting. 

461
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,640
I like our style of exams. 
Wish I liked her style of exams.

462
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,440
We do have the all but true and 
false six options. 

463
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,240
Pick what's the most right and 
also some questions. 

464
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,200
It depends on your professor but
I swear they were them. 

465
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,720
Exactly. 
If you didn't have an in depth 

466
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,120
understanding you could not get 
that question right. 

467
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:57,040
It's not just the pick 
information out from your 

468
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,280
memory. 
It's like a 2 full understand 

469
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,000
it. 
That's more for Physiology. 

470
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000
For the other ones, it's like 
can you recognize the 

471
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,480
information? 
I would say I agree with 

472
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,280
Michaela and something I never 
did an undergrad that I do 

473
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,400
constantly know as like I take 
the test, I star the ones I 

474
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,920
didn't know. 
And I never ever go back to the 

475
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,680
ones that I didn't star. 
Because your brain, you will 

476
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,320
remember stuff that you don't 
think you did because there's so

477
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,680
much information. 
You're not going to be able to 

478
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,200
recall it all. 
But if you can recognize terms 

479
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,080
that go together and you don't 
know why, but you just hit it, 

480
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,800
move on, move on. 
Like only go back to the ones 

481
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,600
that you truly, truly don't 
know. 

482
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,160
And that's my strategy. 
And I am doing way better than 

483
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,840
the start because if you doubt 
yourself, you're going to change

484
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,360
it and think long, think wrong. 
That's what our associate Dean 

485
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,600
always says. 
That's true. 

486
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,680
People will sit there. 
I used to be one of those people

487
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,400
until like, I don't know, 
whenever I found out this method

488
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,720
that I've made-up or maybe other
people do it. 

489
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,000
Still not recommended. 
I'm not telling you to finish 

490
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,440
your test in 10 minutes and then
walk out and be like, I didn't 

491
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,840
need to review that. 
That's not what I'm saying. 

492
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,680
I do, I forgot to mention, I do 
star the ones that I don't have 

493
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,720
any idea or I need to go back on
for sure. 

494
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,680
And then at the end of the test,
I go through those and if I 

495
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,960
don't know them, I don't sit on 
them. 

496
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,200
If I don't know it right now, 
I'm not going to know it in a 

497
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,320
minute. 
I'm not going to know it in 30 

498
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,160
seconds. 
I'm just going to guess and move

499
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,440
on. 
That's what we were taught in 

500
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,880
high school. 
And that's just what I live by. 

501
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,520
I'm like, if I don't know it, I 
don't know it. 

502
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,080
I'm not going to just pull an 
answer out of like thin air. 

503
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,040
So I just guessed and I move on 
and hey, it worked for me. 

504
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,280
Find your own method. 
That's important because that 

505
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,440
doesn't work for everybody. 
Some people need full assurance.

506
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
They'll walk out of the test and
they'll say, you know what? 

507
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,920
I reviewed every single question
and I got 2 wrong and I'm like, 

508
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,320
OK, I don't know why you know 
that, but sure, go ahead. 

509
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,800
Anyway, Speaking of exam 
methods, what are your favorite 

510
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
study methods? 
You mentioned association. 

511
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,880
I don't know how to put into 
words what I want to say, but 

512
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,600
association is key. 
And your professors will teach 

513
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,320
you that. 
If it's like, it depends on the 

514
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,840
curriculum, but if you're 
learning all of the bones, 

515
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,320
they're usually, I say usually 
they are named after the muscles

516
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,880
that insert on them and vice 
versa. 

517
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,320
So if you're learning the bones,
it's good to start associating 

518
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,720
those terms with muscle names, 
if that makes sense. 

519
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,600
The deltoid tuberosity, the 
deltoid muscle, it all kind of 

520
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,400
fits together. 
So using association that 

521
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,000
applies through all of my my 
personal classes, because then 

522
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,720
you go to radiology or something
and it's, it's all the same 

523
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,120
repeated, but you have to 
connect those dots, apply them. 

524
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,680
But I don't know if that's a 
study method so much as a 

525
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,080
mindset. 
I think it is because you have 

526
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,520
to think of it as like a system.
If you try to memorize it like a

527
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,040
list of 1000 words, your brain 
just can't help. 

528
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520
My brain just can't do that. 
So trying to make sense of it, I

529
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,080
think I have to get the only way
to make sense of it is to like 

530
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,360
get out of the panic. 
And that was the hardest part 

531
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,200
for me is because I would be 
stuck in the panic mode of Oh my

532
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,480
God, I have to know all this and
all these itty bitty details. 

533
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,240
But like trying to make sense of
it. 

534
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,440
What helped me a lot to make 
sense of things is looking at 

535
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,720
other people's study materials. 
So like at Mizzou we have 

536
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,560
password protected quizlets that
we share that are approved by 

537
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,960
the school. 
So I would look at my friends 

538
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,640
Quizlets and seeing how they 
decipher the PowerPoints is 

539
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,440
incredible in comparison to me 
because they pick up on 

540
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560
information that I didn't pick 
up on. 

541
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,640
And they also spend an insane 
amount of time like doing 

542
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:32,320
Quizlets all the time and I 
cannot form a Quizlet as amazing

543
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,440
as these people. 
I have tried and failed. 

544
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,440
So me doing their 400 term 
Quizlet helps me so much and 

545
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,760
I've spoken to them about it. 
I'm like, I did like 10% better 

546
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,600
on an exam after I started using
their Quizlets and I told them 

547
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,400
I'm like, you read and I cannot 
read like that. 

548
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,880
I don't know how you're so 
perceptive because they will 

549
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,960
describe an image on a 
PowerPoint and my brain doesn't 

550
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,480
really look at that. 
It just looks at the words and 

551
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,280
they'll like form questions 
about that image. 

552
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,200
And somehow they like have a 
better gauge of what the 

553
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,280
professor is going to ask, like 
in the depths that they will ask

554
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,680
because my brain will only go to
the words. 

555
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,120
So I love using their material, 
which I know Michaela and you 

556
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,480
guys don't do as much of that. 
As much quizlets. 

557
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,160
Or as much your school doesn't 
like share as much mine does. 

558
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Right, so I'm on the opposite 
end of the spectrum. 

559
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,000
You're right. 
We don't do like school 

560
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,840
protected Quizlets. 
As far as I'm aware, We're not 

561
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,680
as long as you're not sharing 
privileged information or 

562
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,640
advantage information as in the 
professor or somebody you're 

563
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,280
cheating is here. 
If you're not cheating, you're 

564
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,440
fine is basically the rule. 
That being said, they don't 

565
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,160
provide us with passwords or you
know, protect us in that sense. 

566
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,920
But I was, I'm actually the 
person who made the Quizlets, 

567
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,360
and I'm on the opposite end of 
the spectrum as you. 

568
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,160
I could study somebody else's 
Quizlet and I'd be like, I don't

569
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,080
know. 
I'm not paying attention. 

570
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,640
I don't know what you're looking
for, if that makes sense. 

571
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760
But whenever I make them, it 
takes so much time. 

572
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Yes, but it's like I'm going 
through those PowerPoints and 

573
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,480
looking for what is the 
professor going to ask me on 

574
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,880
here and thinking of a question 
they would ask me. 

575
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,400
And you're thinking to that 
higher level. 

576
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,480
That's how I do it when I make 
them. 

577
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,920
I don't do that when I'm just 
filling out somebody else's 

578
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,360
Quizlet. 
But again, I know my Quizlets so

579
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,160
I send out to people help people
so much. 

580
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720
I have no problem sharing all of
my study sources or resources 

581
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,480
cuz I made it. 
It's not like I'm cheating. 

582
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,160
I'm not doing anything wrong. 
I made it from the PowerPoint 

583
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,120
that we all have access to. 
But I really benefit from making

584
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,200
them. 
It does take time, but that 

585
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,040
being said, usually depending on
the class, don't go back and 

586
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,760
review them like just making it 
is my studying. 

587
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040
It's a method, especially if 
you're short on time. 

588
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,200
It's more not active recall, but
certainly a higher level of 

589
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,880
thinking to say what question 
are they going to ask me on this

590
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320
instead of just copy, paste, 
copy, paste, fill in the blank. 

591
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,320
You know what I mean? 
So that's my method that yeah. 

592
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,680
And as far as bad study methods,
I tried a lot because like 

593
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Gradel said, it takes a minute 
to get in your flow. 

594
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Also, my study methods has 
changed every single class that 

595
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,800
I've ever taken. 
I I need a different study 

596
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,720
method. 
I used to use like solely my 

597
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,560
iPad for all of my classes. 
Now I keep everything in Google 

598
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,040
Docs, all of my notes unless 
it's like a drawing heavy class,

599
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920
which is rare for anatomy, all 
of my notes are stored in Google

600
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,960
Docs separated by class and 
exam. 

601
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,800
So I'll have Foreman function 
one exam, one massive Google doc

602
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,360
with all of my notes 
highlighted. 

603
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120
I've gone through it four times 
and edited that and added 

604
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,040
questions, added review 
questions, you know what I mean?

605
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,080
I do everything off of these 
Google Docs and then if I really

606
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,840
need help with that subject, I 
will make that into a Quizlet 

607
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,920
like immunology, which is just 
rote memorization. 

608
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,320
Anatomy I don't really make 
Quizlets for because that 

609
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,440
doesn't help me. 
It's more thinking and I don't 

610
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,520
know, it's just not one of those
things that I have had an easy 

611
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920
time translating into a Quizlet.
I think there are different 

612
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,400
approaches for different 
classes. 

613
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Like one thing doesn't work for 
all of them. 

614
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,720
And I swear like preparing for 
anatomy, Histology and embryo 

615
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,240
are a little bit more similar 
because it's like memorization 

616
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,720
like crazy. 
But anatomy, I have to spend a 

617
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,680
lot of time and then anatomy 
lab, like I have figured out 

618
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,800
that some people in my class can
just like draw it out on a 

619
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,960
sheet, take a look at it. 
My brain can't translate it from

620
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720
images on the Internet to the 
actual cadavers. 

621
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,800
So like I have to go into the 
lab and see it and find it, not 

622
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,280
just watch like the videos. 
Like some people can watch like 

623
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,760
Quiet Night. 
Uh, that's one of them. 

624
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,520
Or the Minnesota videos like 
Carnivore canine or something 

625
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,480
like that that is not as 
helpful. 

626
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,120
It's helpful when I am 
physically there and watching 

627
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,120
the videos. 
So I'd like, it's a lot of 

628
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,440
figuring out. 
I remember panicking and trying 

629
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,200
like 6,000,000 methods, which is
not the way to do it, but what 

630
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,240
else you're going to do? 
You're just trying to survive. 

631
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,200
So I recommend asking other 
people what works for them and 

632
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,960
try that. 
Don't just like panic and try 

633
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,200
6,000,000 things at once. 
But not just talking about 

634
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,320
academics. 
Why don't we talk about some of 

635
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,920
our favorite memories? 
Should say some things that come

636
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,680
to mind are we had something 
like the smoker, the toaster. 

637
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,280
We have like 3 different events 
over time so we had our first 

638
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,880
one and that was like a cute BBQ
with the vet students. 

639
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,640
We also the dog dog which is 
like money for charity and 

640
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,680
people run with their dogs in 
costumes and it was so cold that

641
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,920
day but that was really fun. 
And then Savma Elections and 

642
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440
like working on this team and 
like seeing what difference we 

643
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
can make in the future with 
training has been really, really

644
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,440
cool. 
What about you Michaela? 

645
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,440
What are your favorite moments? 
I had a lot. 

646
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,440
It was really fun. 
Will never regret coming to bed 

647
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,920
school. 
It's been one of the best 

648
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880
decisions. 
At first I doubted it for a 

649
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,880
while because I think I've 
talked about it, but I didn't 

650
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,040
think I was going to get in this
year. 

651
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,080
I applied because my dad said 
you can't win the Lotto if you 

652
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,560
don't buy a ticket. 
And I said OK, I'll try it out. 

653
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,400
So then when I got in I was 
like, oh, oh, I have to, I have 

654
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,960
to go anyway. 
So it's definitely like I don't 

655
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,200
want to say it threw me for a 
loop. 

656
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000
I was hoping I got in, of 
course, but I thought I wasn't 

657
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640
really prepared. 
Of course, you'll never be fully

658
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,880
prepared. 
There's nothing you can do to 

659
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,560
make yourself 100 prepared, 100%
prepared before you're like 50. 

660
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,400
You know, you have to really 
work at that. 

661
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,960
You just got to go in and do it.
So my favorite memories, I would

662
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840
say finally, like finding a good
group of friends that I feel 

663
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480
comfortable with. 
For me, I struggled socially and

664
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,240
I don't know if you can tell, 
but I'm a talker. 

665
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,040
So that's really weird for me. 
I was like, why can't I make any

666
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,600
friends? 
And I think the main reason is 

667
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,120
because if you're only going to 
class and you're focusing in 

668
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,600
class and not talking and made 
it really hard for me personally

669
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,440
to make friends. 
So I, it took me a while, but I 

670
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,920
got there. 
That was something that was 

671
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,280
frustrating to me. 
But now that it's there, I love 

672
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,120
everybody that I know. 
Just love hanging out with 

673
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,720
people and I'm a people person. 
Obviously my other favorite 

674
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,880
memories, I don't know, I mean 
like there's just so many. 

675
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,200
I genuinely couldn't tell you. 
I would say probably like first 

676
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,600
day doing clinical skills. 
That was so fun. 

677
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,240
Like being like I'm doing 
something, I'm putting my hands 

678
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,360
on something, you know, and then
I know you did Savna. 

679
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,360
I got not elected, but I was 
chosen to be our hills primary 

680
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,320
representative. 
That was important to me. 

681
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,000
That was exciting. 
So accomplishing goals and doing

682
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,120
extracurriculars while you're in
bed school is possible. 

683
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,160
It's interesting. 
I'm also an officer for two 

684
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,120
other clubs, but they're very, 
it's different than undergrad in

685
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,800
high school. 
They're very low commitment 

686
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
level. 
Like not Savma, I don't think, 

687
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,520
but you know, they're like 
smaller clubs, the more niche 

688
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,920
clubs. 
They're very low commitment 

689
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,600
level. 
It's up to the school and up to 

690
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,160
the place, but I would say most 
LSU clubs do a lot of lunch and 

691
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,560
learns. 
They're very lunch and learn 

692
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,720
heavy and then actual meetings 
and fundraisers and all of that 

693
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,720
is, you know, minimal. 
They know we're all vet 

694
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,960
students. 
Like we're all busy and I rarely

695
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080
have meetings for much, but I 
think it was very doable. 

696
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,280
That was one thing I was worried
about as somebody who was very 

697
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,440
involved. 
I was like, am I going to be 

698
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,200
able to do extracurriculars? 
Like it's important to me and 

699
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,160
I've had no issue truly. 
Yeah, extracurriculars have been

700
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
really fun. 
I would say I was really 

701
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,440
overwhelmed in the first couple 
months of school. 

702
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,320
So I didn't do as many like of 
the individual clubs, like I'm a

703
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,880
part of them, but I maybe went 
to like one or two meetings, 

704
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
which is unfortunate. 
But also like we have some wet 

705
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,360
labs, but our upperclassmen get 
chosen first, so we also have 

706
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,880
lunch and learns. 
I went to a couple of them. 

707
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,520
That is something I do regret, 
but I think because I was trying

708
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,840
to survive and like figure it 
out, it's like what I needed to 

709
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,159
do that I have like a handle on 
things like I am determined like

710
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:45,560
2026 is the year of the horse. 
That is my favorite animal 

711
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,440
effort. 
It's supposed to be like a year 

712
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,840
of resiliency and I do feel 
that. 

713
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,120
So that's my goal. 
I'm going to go to more 

714
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,000
meanings. 
I'm going to be more involved. 

715
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840
SAPMA is not a small 
undertaking. 

716
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,560
And so I kind of like it because
on APV MA, like Michaela and I 

717
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
were be, we could be involved 
with everything. 

718
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:09,840
Like we had small commitments 
into all these, like tons of 

719
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,520
organizations. 
And that's what I love. 

720
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
I love being able to like 
witness it all. 

721
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:16,920
So I do love my other clubs 
because I love horses. 

722
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,000
I love equine time. 
But at the same time, I love 

723
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,600
being like a little bit involved
in everything. 

724
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,040
And I get to do that through 
Sava. 

725
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,400
So I'm really excited for that. 
And the friends that I've made 

726
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,400
have been incredible. 
They are so like, emotionally 

727
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
intelligent. 
They're just intelligent in 

728
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,160
general. 
They're funny. 

729
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,240
They're there for me. 
And I feel like it's easier to 

730
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,680
relate to them than a lot of 
people, like throughout my life,

731
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,360
because we all have the same 
common goal and we all work 

732
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,400
really, really hard and we've 
all been like deliriously tired 

733
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,720
and stressed and hungry and 
crazy together. 

734
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,480
So it really does bond to you. 
I'm excited for anyone who gets 

735
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,000
to go to veterinary school, even
though it's it's a lot, but we 

736
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
can do it. 
Yeah, I would say overall this 

737
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,800
semester, even though it was 
tough in my personal life, it 

738
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,000
was just so many high points, 
not a lot of low points. 

739
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,560
My low points were still 
midline. 

740
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,920
You know what I mean? 
There was a lot of them, but it 

741
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520
was like there's so many high 
points that evened out your your

742
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,080
average is still a see you girl.
Like you made it through the 

743
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120
semester, You had fun, you made 
friends. 

744
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,880
I joined clubs, I got positions.
And that's another thing. 

745
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,920
I I know grandma and Braden are 
both Savma president-elect. 

746
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,720
That's so exciting. 
I didn't try out for our 

747
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,400
president-elect position, but I 
tried out for other unrelated 

748
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800
positions and it's OK to not get
something. 

749
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,840
Don't feel like a failure. 
Like it took me like 2, maybe 

750
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,880
three tries of trying out for 
stuff that I was interested in. 

751
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,600
And I don't want to say I'm glad
I didn't get chosen, but if I 

752
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,080
wasn't the right fit, then that 
wasn't the right fit. 

753
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,560
You know, they chose that for a 
reason. 

754
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,480
So if I didn't get something, I 
was like, OK, that's OK, let me 

755
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400
move on to the next thing and 
try something else. 

756
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,040
And then eventually I landed on,
you know, the Hill student Rep 

757
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,400
and it finally, like I clicked 
with the team, everything was 

758
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,160
great and it just worked out. 
And I was like, I didn't, I 

759
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,560
don't know, by the end of it, I 
think I'm done signing up for 

760
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,360
positions with stuff, but all of
our positions and elections were

761
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,720
at the same time. 
So I was like, OK, I have to try

762
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,720
out for like these three things 
that I'm really interested in 

763
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
and whatever, you know, six of 
the wall sticks. 

764
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,640
And I ended out with like 2 very
small officer positions as like 

765
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,040
wet lab coordinator and then the
hills position, which was 

766
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,880
important to me. 
So I was like, OK, I'm happy. 

767
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Like I'm involved enough. 
I'm checking out, not committing

768
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,240
myself, and I did join a lot of 
clubs because I didn't know what

769
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,960
I was going to do yet, but I 
never went to a single lunch and

770
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,080
learn. 
I don't know why. 

771
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,080
I just didn't really have a lot 
of friends for the first few 

772
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,200
months. 
So I was like, I don't want to 

773
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,600
go sit by myself. 
Like I would rather go hang out 

774
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,360
with my friends or my boyfriend 
outside of that school. 

775
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,400
And so I did that. 
Yeah, Overall it was crazy, but 

776
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,960
it was a good semester. 
So looking ahead, what are our 

777
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,120
main goals for this semester? 
Mine are to pass. 

778
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,960
I don't care about using these, 
pass all of my classes, not have

779
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,120
to remediate, hopefully apply a 
lot of the clinical skills that 

780
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,280
I've been learning to my 
externship. 

781
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,000
In the middle of this semester. 
We get this two week externship 

782
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,560
and I'm going to rural Louisiana
as it was advertised to me. 

783
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,280
I don't care. 
All I want to do is take what 

784
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,560
I've learned in class and apply 
it in a clinical setting. 

785
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,080
And when I did externships over 
the break, I didn't have goals 

786
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
in minds when I went in, but I 
didn't have goals in mind. 

787
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,360
So I was just like, I don't 
know, teach me something. 

788
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,200
But now I know ahead of time to 
go in and say I want to do this 

789
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,080
and that's what I'm going to do.
What about you? 

790
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,200
I do have a lot of goals this 
semester. 

791
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,360
I am trying to like challenge 
myself to have more of a life. 

792
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,360
And I know that sounds awful, 
but I truly like only did school

793
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,680
and not a ton else. 
And that was not the healthiest 

794
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,840
thing because you put so much 
effort in and then if like one 

795
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
thing goes wrong, you're like 
you're just distraught because 

796
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,240
you put in so much work. 
I knew I had to do that to like 

797
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:01,360
survive and figure it out. 
So it's OK. 

798
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
But like on Friday evenings, go 
and take a break. 

799
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,800
And I actually found when I took
breaks I performed better. 

800
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,600
So definitely that. 
Let's see not to get myself over

801
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,440
involved, which I already feel 
like I'm doing, but it's fine. 

802
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:21,200
So biggest takeaways from the 
year of 2025 and then maybe also

803
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,840
the vet semester because we did 
talk about this semester this 

804
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,480
episode, but from the year I 
would say I've been living by 

805
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440
this. 
You can't win the Lotto if you 

806
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,640
don't buy a ticket. 
I say all the time, but it's 

807
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,920
true. 
It applies to so many things. 

808
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,800
You don't even know. 
It's just like Gretel's, you 

809
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,840
know, you're of yes, same thing.
You can't buy, you can't win a 

810
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,080
Lotto if you don't buy a ticket.
You can't do something, you 

811
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,880
can't win something, you can't 
accomplish something if you 

812
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,480
don't try. 
So I would say the same thing 

813
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,040
for my semester. 
That's my take away. 

814
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,840
You know, you can't make friends
if you don't try. 

815
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
You can't get a position in a 
club that you want if you don't 

816
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,840
try. 
Can't get into bed school if you

817
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,160
don't try. 
I'm not saying it's guaranteed, 

818
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,880
but throw your hat in the ring 
and if it works out, it works 

819
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,280
out, you know? 
What about you? 

820
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Oh, definitely. 
I think just because you're 

821
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,520
struggling, that doesn't mean 
it's going to be forever and 

822
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,200
that you can figure it out over 
time and like understanding, 

823
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,360
like gauging what success means.
It doesn't have to mean like 

824
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080
being perfect. 
I will never be like that in vet

825
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,840
school. 
It is way too hard to be 

826
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,280
perfect. 
Just like doing enough and like 

827
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,880
giving yourself time to breathe 
is exactly what you need to be 

828
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,000
doing. 
And also just it's OK to not be 

829
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,240
doing super well and then figure
it out later. 

830
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,000
Like that I think is the biggest
theme in vet Med. 

831
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,840
It's like even we're told in 
when we're done with school, the

832
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,720
first five years are incredibly 
hard. 

833
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,680
So it's OK because you have to 
be comfortable with the 

834
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,640
uncomfortable. 
That's my biggest take away. 

835
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,920
Exactly. 
And I say it all the time that, 

836
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,680
you know, failure is never the 
end. 

837
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,520
I failed so many things you 
wouldn't even know I failed. 

838
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Oh, come to, I never passed it. 
Didn't need it. 

839
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,320
Hey, I'm here. 
You know what else I failed? 

840
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,600
I failed. 
I don't know. 

841
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,880
But enough things that I know 
what I'm talking about. 

842
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,840
And it's OK to not get 
something. 

843
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,040
It's OK to get CSD's. 
Whatever grade doesn't define 

844
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,800
you, GPA doesn't define you. 
All the cheesy sayings they 

845
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,880
aren't are true. 
Sun always rises tomorrow. 

846
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,480
What other cliches should I say 
anyway? 

847
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,360
But they're all true. 
They're all cliches for a 

848
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,600
reason, because they happen, 
because they're true. 

849
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,040
So maybe listen to them here and
there. 

850
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,680
But finally, one word or phrase 
you're carrying into the next 

851
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,440
semester. 
This is a good one. 

852
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,080
I have to think about it. 
Oh, it's year of the horse. 

853
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,520
It's my year. 
That's just, it's what I'm going

854
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,080
with. 
I asked you that and I didn't 

855
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,200
even have an answer for myself. 
I'm just going to say 

856
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,200
positivity. 
I always try to live by that, 

857
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,760
but I'm going to continue that 
trend. 

858
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,200
One thing I never do is try to 
intentionally be negative. 

859
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,440
Sometimes you get down. 
Everybody has bad days. 

860
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,720
But All in all, you know if 
you've ever seen those blankets 

861
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,240
where they chart like the 
weather throughout the year and 

862
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,160
it's like pixels, mine should be
all green. 

863
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,840
I want all positivity this year.
So that's my word for the 

864
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,840
semester. 
All right. 

865
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440
Thanks guys for listening and 
we'll see you next time.

