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Hello everyone and welcome back 
to Set Files Today. 

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Today we are joined by Jet Rush,
graduate of East Texas A&M and 

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we're so happy to have you. 
He is also a first year 

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veterinary student at the 
University of Missouri College 

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of Veterinary Medicine. 
And today we are talking about 

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our journey to veterinary 
medicine and also how to deal 

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with rejection, gap years and 
acceptances. 

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Thanks so much, Jeff, for 
joining us. 

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Oh, I'm happy to be here. 
Yes, and we also sent out a 

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Google form to, you know, I sent
it to some LSU students. 

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It was posted in the APB May 
chat on Facebook. 

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So we have some responses about 
other people's experiences, some

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generic questions like majors 
and what they did during their 

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gap years, but also some, you 
know, handwritten responses. 

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So thank you to everybody who 
responded to that. 

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There's some really valuable 
information in here, and I wish 

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we had enough time to go through
all of it, but I kind of gave a 

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synopsis here at the end, and we
might bring it up throughout the

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chat today. 
So if it comes up, that's what 

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I'm referring to, or we might do
a little run through it at the 

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end. 
Yeah. 

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So, Jet, do you want to tell us 
a little bit about your full 

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journey from undergrad or high 
school through now? 

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Yeah, so definitely, Oh, I am 
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TX. 
I went to South Pink Prairie 

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High School where I was the 
leader of our vet tech program. 

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Just let me go do many cool 
things. 

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I even got to go to Washington, 
DC to talk about to keep 

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technical programs in high 
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I got to meet my Texas governor,
Ted Cruz there. 

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Then from there I went off to 
the Texas East, Texas A&M 

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University, where I was in a 
couple of I was in a fraternity.

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I was in some honor societies. 
I was biology major. 

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And then I also about my junior 
year, they added a tech program.

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So I joined some of that there. 
And then I just worked. 

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I worked. 
I've worked full time as a 

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technician all through 
undergrad, paid through all my 

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undergrad while working. 
And yeah, it took me about four 

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attempts to get into that 
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You know, I don't really count 
the first one because it was 

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like kind of my junior year one.
But you know, it's still, it 

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still counts as a application. 
And, you know, it was, it was 

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about two years after I 
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when I got in. 
And that school's been amazing 

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since. 
I've had a wonderful time, a lot

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of studying, a lot of tearship, 
a lot of smiles too. 

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I always say Jet and I are like 
the only ones in the anatomy lab

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constantly and the bags of our 
eyes completely grow constantly.

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Yep, Yep, it's it. 
I'll always catch Gretel there 

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in the morning. 
Yes, well I do overnights for 

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full team and. 
Jeff does overnights. 

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In the hospital, so we probably 
have some of the least amount of

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sleep in the school. 
Yeah, I think that's about 

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right. 
Especially like every time I 

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close. 
Yeah, and a lot of this stuff 

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that y'all are doing, I don't 
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believe the full team is unpaid.
Like that's just for fun, right?

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Oh, no, I, no, no, no. 
I work for money. 

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I I work receptionist at the at 
the emergency hospital. 

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Exactly. 
One thing I was just going to 

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bring up is that a lot of 
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lot, but a couple of people that
had responded did say, oh, I 

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wish I saved more money. 
There's never, it's always great

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to have more money. 
It wasn't that anybody said it 

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was a huge deal, but it was like
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nice. 
And I've definitely been facing 

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that like my personal finances. 
And I mean, I have a job as a 

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student Rep for Hills, so I get 
paid through that. 

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And then I'm also gonna be 
working as an emergency 

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receptionist. 
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Best place to study? 
It makes you stare a computer 

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for hours so you have to. 
If I'm not checking a client, 

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handling a call or anything, I 
just have to quiz lit up or a 

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PowerPoint going. 
I'm hoping it'll give me a 

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little bit of time throughout, 
but it's also emergency so if 

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not I get it. 
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have those nights where you're 
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So you said it took you 4 cycles
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cycle. 
What did the years between the 

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application cycles look like for
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So it was really interesting 
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find out about I guess like 
February, March, every school's 

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kind of different, like Texas is
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they're not with them cast. 
They have their own system yet 

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to apply it through. 
So it's really about when you 

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hear from them, you know, in 
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gap years was just usually me 
working a whole bunch, getting 

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as much experience as I can. 
I was in charge of my pharmacy 

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at my old clinic, worked seven 
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the everyday guy. 
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of like trying to find ways to 
improve myself with the 

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resources I had on me at the 
time, but like taking more tech 

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classes for my second attempt or
taking harder, you know, biology

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classes that will pertain to the
vet field. 

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So many things, just looking to 
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during those times. 
Did you ever feel like something

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to do with your background? 
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needed to fulfill for veterinary
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Definitely, definitely. 
I always try to hit every box 

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that you know, they always look 
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research, good grades, being 
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Honestly, what I was missing the
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because my second attempt really
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rejection I ever got. 
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had. 
I was an alternate for interview

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for Kansas, at least there. 
But my second attempt, I applied

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to a whole bunch of schools and 
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And it was, it was interesting 
because they always tell you 

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something different. 
Like LSU. 

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I remember when I played with 
them, they had an interesting 

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thing saying like, you know, I 
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proper capitalization when I 
typed in some classes, when I 

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would just copy and paste them 
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And they look at those things. 
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detail. 
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With Texas Tech, who's primarily
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animals, like, hey, you know, 
love your application, but you 

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have less than 100 hours of 
horses alone, you know, you 

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know, it's kind of hard. 
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to be focusing on something 
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You know, you just have to find 
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upon it from there. 
I think that's a good point. 

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Every school is looking for 
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And I thought something that I 
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applied to 12 and got into three
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weren't until way later in the 
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They were, you know, more of the
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And so I'm also from Texas. 
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Texas Tech. 
Thank you. 

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Yeah. 
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I was thinking, hey, I check all
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I grew up on a farm. 
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production experience. 
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specifically. 
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rural, specifically large 
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And I was like, I'm checking all
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Heck yeah. 
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denials, Texas Tech and Texas 
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first people I heard back from, 
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were crushed. 
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those two schools that I thought
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for, where the hell am I going 
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Exactly. 
It's not there then where, but 

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obviously that didn't happen. 
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I mean, what does it feel like 
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multiple years in a row? 
I was lucky enough to get in a 

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couple other schools later, but.
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Yeah. 
So actually I wrote this down 

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South. 
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first attempt didn't really hurt
my feelings too bad. 

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You know, junior year, Damon 
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I was still finishing them, got 
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Second year, you know, going to 
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full science GPA finished out. 
I had a lot of my like 400 level

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classes in there still left to 
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So it wasn't to, I mean, I was 
disappointed, but like it also 

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gave me a feel in like how every
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Florida's is so different from a
Virginia tax or from LMU or from

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Western in California versus 
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You know, every school is so 
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So I linked my second year to 
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get wrong. 
I was bummed out. 

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You're always going to get 
bummed for rejection no matter 

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when it is. 
It could be your first, it could

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be your last. 
You're always going to feel bad.

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But it really gave me a feel on 
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for. 
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second and my third attempt was 
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really thought I was going to 
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one. 
Had my finished hours, got my 

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research done, worked. 
I'm pretty sure I, I've been 

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working in a vet clinic since I 
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You know, I had years of 
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The only thing I was missing was
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and I didn't really go on to do 
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And my third years when I 
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schools in the nation, just, I 
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South. 
Honestly, from there. 

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I, you know, it was, that was 
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that was the year I had the most
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I had about 8 interviews and you
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should gotten in any to any of 
those 8 and I was an alternate 

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for three. 
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One of them being Texas Tech. 
You know, I thought I'd be a 

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shoe in there. 
They're only taking from 2 

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States and you know, that 
rejection really hurt because I 

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really thought it was going to 
be great there. 

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Even though I'm 1A big large 
animal guy, you know, they still

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teach some animal. 
I can learn large animals I go. 

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So that one really was kind of 
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But then my 4th year, this is 
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get to so I cut it back a little
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I talked to like a lot of the 
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LSU and AM were probably the 
biggest help with what they 

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wanted you to improve on. 
Like always set up those 

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meetings to talk with someone. 
Don't don't look at just the 

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reviews because I feel like 
those are just the most basic 

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thing that they can give you. 
They just like this. 

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Check some boxes and put it on 
e-mail. 

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Interview with someone. 
Anytime that you see an e-mail 

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about how you could improve 
yourself, go to those, even just

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showing your face because the 
people teaching these are the 

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people on the board. 
So like A&M, you know, I had one

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legs. 
Like I promise you, if you just 

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go fix this, because I had 1C in
my undergraduate undergrad from 

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a freshman level class, right? 
It doesn't matter where you get 

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it done. 
You want to university, you just

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do a dual credit or not dual 
credit Community College class 

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and you'll get it. 
Within my 4th year. 

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It was the crazy year as this 
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My fiance is also in vet school 
and she got accepted on our 

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third attempt so moved up to 
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You know, I actually messed up 
and missed my Casper test due to

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like the moving process and I 
wasn't able to even apply to Ian

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in my last year. 
And so that was a big kind of 

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hurt because you know, dream 
school from Texas, yadda yadda, 

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like 1 to less. 
And I focused on the on the 

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schools that I felt like gave me
better responses on Hondo. 

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Am I prove myself or the ones I 
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And to go from 13/8 interviews 
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I applied to 10 schools and I 
got one interview my last year. 

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I didn't even get it in a funny 
enough, I don't know what 

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happened with my zoo system, but
I actually got a rejection 

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letter at first and then two 
months later it was like in 

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October when I got that or in 
October. 

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Yeah, no, it was October. 
I got rejected in October. 

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And a month later, like a month 
before interview started, they 

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were like, oh, there was a mess 
up in our system. 

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You were actually supposed to 
get an Airview e-mail. 

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And I was like, oh, so I went 
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last application cycle to having
an interview to going to Airview

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and to becoming an alternate and
then hearing a month in May. 

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So that gave me 3 months to 
move. 

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So, you know, it was it was a 
crazy story in between there a 

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lot of time, a lot of working, 
but you know, I can go into like

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what I thought was the most help
in improving your thing. 

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But yeah, that's my basic story 
of like how everything went. 

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And yeah, so now I'm here in 
Missouri. 

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Couldn't be happier. 
I. 

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Did not know all of that, Oh my.
God, yeah. 

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Crazy, crazy. 
What will happen? 

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How you felt year to year having
different reactions from the? 

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Schools because. 
I think a lot of people would 

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assume every year of improvement
or getting closer and then just 

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being like this shy of it, yeah.
Did you ever question if you 

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would not apply again? 
Yeah, honestly, it's. 

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Worth it? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, honestly, it was the only 
detriment I would say was, you 

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know, don't do what I did and 
cast a wide net thinking that 

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would yolk snacks been 
somewhere. 

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Sure all it had a bunch of 
interviews and had those 

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alternate spots. 
But you know, if you're like, if

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you're going to be 50, if on the
list on every school, it's 

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pretty much not the best look. 
And you know, let's see. 

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It was just it was just crazy to
deal with it going from cycle to

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cycle and learning from what 
every school wants. 

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This was interesting because I 
actually did leave the field at 

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one point. 
This was before applications. 

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And then I realized I wasn't 
happy in pharmacies, so I came 

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back to Batman. 
You know, once you do that one 

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first quit and then you realize 
how much you miss it, you really

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can't go back. 
I mean, my thing was, is like I 

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was actually, if I didn't get 
into Missouri this past year, I 

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was going to give it one more 
shot and probably was going to 

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be done, you know, because I 
would have to move on at some 

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point. 
My fiance would be graduate from

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her vet school. 
I want to hold her back. 

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You know, living in Texas, 
having as much experience as I 

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have, I was honestly going to go
because I, I was actually in 

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tech school when I got accepted 
because I just decided, you know

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what, she was living up in 
Virginia. 

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There was not good jobs out 
there. 

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So I moved back to Texas to 
support her from there. 

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And while there, I got a bunch 
more experience. 

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I went to tech school, got to 
take some really cool classes. 

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I think that was honestly the 
biggest help on my application. 

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And you know, it's just like 
once you leave the field, you 

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truly miss it and then, you 
know, you have to come back. 

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Even if I wasn't going to be 
accepted that school, I was 

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going to be somewhere in the 
field, whether it was owning 

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practice, just as an owner, 
whether it was being an office 

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manager, a head technician, 
something in the field was going

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to happen for me. 
I truly never felt like I was 

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going to leave the field. 
But applying again, did you know

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kind of, you know, money every 
year application, you know, 

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dealing with rejection, it's 
something that makes you truly 

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think if it's right for you. 
But in the end, I believe you're

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meant to be where you're meant 
to be. 

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So just keep going for what you 
hope for. 

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That's amazing. 
Oh my God, you're going to make 

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me cry. 
Going to hold it together. 

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It's the most beautiful thing, 
Jet. 

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There's this song by Luke Combs 
and it's something like it goes 

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like, what would you be doing if
you weren't doing this? 

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And it's like if you weren't 
famous and someone asked for 

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that in an interview, and he's 
like, what do you mean? 

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I would be doing this like, no 
matter. 

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Exactly. 
Whatever capacity I would be 

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here, and I'm so glad that we're
in class together. 

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It just shows how amazing 
Mizzou's class is. 

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Shout. 
Out, yes, Yeah, she out to 

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glass. 
Yeah, and their resilience and 

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like, I don't know, I didn't 
even, I think I've told this 

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story on the podcast before, but
I kind of had the opposite 

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journey where it felt like 
everything was really fast 

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tracked because I graduated high
school at 17, which isn't like 

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an abnormal age, But you know, I
was the baby of my class. 

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And then I went to college at 
17, graduated in three years and

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didn't have a lot of as much 
experience as I thought. 

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Anyway, point is, I had like a 
whole conversation with my 

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parents and I said I don't think
I'm going to apply this year 

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like at all, and I just want to 
take a gap year. 

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It was something I really 
thought I was going to do. 

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I was dead set. 
And I don't know, just after 

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that conversation with my 
parents, they were like, I mean,

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do it. 
You know, what's the worst that 

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can happen? 
You get in. 

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And I said, yeah, I guess so. 
And so I applied. 

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And now that I'm in bed school, 
I can definitely see the gaps, 

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especially when it comes to 
basic tech skills. 

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You know, I'm doing these 
externships and I'm supposed to 

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be learning all of the doctor 
stuff. 

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And it's like, actually, I never
learned how to draw the blood 

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before. 
I interpret these chem panels. 

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I might want to go look at that.
I've been learning tech skills 

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as I go. 
And I think if I had a bigger or

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a stronger foundation in some of
the basic skills and how a 

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clinic operates and things like 
that. 

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Because all of my work was 
either with dead animals or 

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production animals. 
And that's not the same thing as

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going into a small animal clinic
or an emergency clinic and being

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expected to know all of these 
basic tech skills. 

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I was told recently, hey, you 
need to work on your tech 

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skills. 
And I said, yeah, I should. 

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You're so right. 
Thank you for reminding me. 

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Yeah, and it's such a limited 
way to do that too. 

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Like you can really only do that
through work or interning or 

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giving away hours, you know? 
Exactly, and I only bring that 

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up because I've been asked, hey,
was it worth graduating early or

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going to vet school early if you
would? 

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And yes, like I don't regret my 
decisions at all throughout my 

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entire life, but I do have a 
noticeable gap in a lot of these

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hands on skills. 
I'm very intelligent. 

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The class work is fine. 
I'm doing fine in class. 

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It's the clinical skills and the
basic things that I literally 

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never learned because I didn't 
work in a small animal clinic or

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in a lot of clinical scenarios 
in general. 

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So if that is something that you
as a listener are considering 

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taking a gap year to work on 
those skills, definitely 

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recommend it. 
You can't go wrong either way 

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because you can always build 
those skills. 

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It's just going to be, I think I
would have appreciated a 

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stronger foundation in these 
skills, you know, because it 

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would help have that expected 
knowledge. 

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So. 
I've seen every surgery under 

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the sun you could think of. 
I've placed hundreds of 

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catheters, millions of blood 
transfusions Now, you know, it's

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great. 
And I will say though, the one 

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thing I will say is like, you 
know, the only negative I would 

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say to having kind of a gap year
is but also comes with a lot of 

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positives is like I'm, you know,
I'm feel like I'm very 

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technically sound. 
You can probably hand me a 

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needle right now and I probably 
still get a Catherine. 

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But like the thing I will say is
getting out of the school habit.

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You know, I've been out of 
school for two years and I was 

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in tech school and it's like 
cool and all, but like, you 

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know, it's not near the level of
like correct, like, you know, 

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hot hard biology classes or 
anything close to like vet 

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school classes. 
It gets you prepared, don't get 

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me wrong. 
But like the one negative is 

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getting back into the swing of 
classes because it was a real 

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hard couple stumble and falls in
the start of my vet school 

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career. 
But you know, once you get your 

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feet underneath you, you'll be 
fine, I promise. 

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But yeah, that's the one 
negative I would say to gap 

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year. 
Even still, that's just a me 

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thing. 
People can probably pick up a 

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book and have no issues 
whatsoever. 

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That's the only thing I would 
say about it. 

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That's an interesting point. 
Somebody left us a great comment

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and they kind of asked 2 
questions. 

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There are two questions that 
they had before taking their gap

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year or before getting into vet 
school after their gap year. 

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And then they answered their own
questions. 

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And I thought it was interesting
kind of the same thing you said.

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So their first one they said, I 
have to admit that at first I 

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was hesitant about taking that 
time out of school. 

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So just what you were talking 
now #1 what if I lose my 

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motivation and wouldn't want to 
go back to school once you're 

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out? 
Like, oh dude, I really want to 

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go back to school. 
Take the pay cut, take the time.

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And you can't. 
You can, but it's a sacrifice to

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have jobs in vet school. 
We all know. 

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And so #2 what if I would not 
know how to be a student again 

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when the time came? 
And then they answered it now 

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that they're in vet school. 
So one, the gap year will help 

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you confirm if you actually want
to study for four more years in 

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a program as intense like 
veterinary medicine. 

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It is a serious commitment and 
it involves many sacrifices. 

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It's okay if during the gap year
you decide this is not the path 

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for you. 
And that's important too. 

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I know people who have taken gap
years and decided to take stay a

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tech forever or go to tech 
school, become a LVT, RVT and 

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get the pay grade jump and 
knowledge jump without going to 

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that school. 
It's very different. 

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They're not the same thing, but 
it's another option or to go 

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into management, kind of the 
options that you talked about. 

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There's other opportunities 
within this field and I think 

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that's important to talk about 
because when I was in high 

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school or even early undergrad, 
I don't think I really 

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understood that people did that 
as a career. 

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I was like, oh, those are people
who want to be vets. 

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That's not true. 
Always need great text and not 

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every great text should become a
vet. 

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We need great text. 
I was at an externship last week

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and met some of the most 
talented, intelligent, 

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knowledgeable texts I've ever 
met. 

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And I was like, stay where 
you're at actually. 

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Because if I open my own clinic 
and I wanted to look for text, 

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you're the kind of people I'd be
looking for and I would 

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definitely pay you more for it 
because you know more than I do 

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when it comes to these kinds of 
things. 

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And so their second question 
they answered. 

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I felt out of practice in the 
first few weeks, but the student

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mindset came back pretty 
quickly. 

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However, I don't see this as 
something bad because 

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regardless. 
So gap years. 

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This is a new experience for 
everybody and is very demanding.

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You have to develop new studying
strategies, routines, and 

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habits. 
Anyway, it is the process of 

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being a first year student in a 
doctorate program. 

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I agree with that. 
I went straight from undergrad 

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to that school and I still am 
working on my studying 

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strategies. 
Like I'm still changing it for 

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every class for every and so you
kind of have to work on it 

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regardless. 
But I just wanted to talk about 

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that because I thought that they
wrote a very long and useful 

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answer about what you just 
talked about. 

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I was just going to say kind of 
things that we've already talked

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about, but just to look at the 
data years between vet school 

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and undergrad, honestly, it 
varied everywhere from one to 

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over 6. 
So like it, there wasn't really 

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a big consensus. 
It was mostly one or two years. 

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How many application cycles 
before you got accepted? 

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Looks like mostly 2 and then a 
tie between 3:00 and 4:00 and 

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then then intentionally took a 
gap year. 60% said no, 40% yes 

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and nontraditional. 
Do you consider yourself 

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nontraditional? 
That was actually a 5050 split 

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so and was taking time 
beneficial? 

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I thought this question was 
another good one because looking

451
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520
back, the options were somewhat 
or extremely beneficial, 

452
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,320
somewhat beneficial, neutral or 
not beneficial. 60% said 

453
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,440
extremely beneficial. 20 or I'm 
sorry, 80% said extremely 

454
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,520
beneficial, 20% said somewhat. 
Nobody said that it was neutral 

455
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,720
and not beneficial like that. 
And I say that's probably about 

456
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,000
accurate. 
Like I wish that like I said, I 

457
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,320
had gotten some of those skills.
I'm sure there's many benefits 

458
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,840
to taking gap years. 
No, it's really interesting. 

459
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,680
When we got the results back 
from that form, it was a blank, 

460
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,000
a poll of 25 people, I should 
say, I think dispersed around 

461
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,360
the country. 
I don't know a lot of these 

462
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:07,200
things because you look at the 
acceptance rates for schools and

463
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,240
normally out of state is what 3 
1/2 percent and then in states 

464
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,000
between 20 to in the 30% 
acceptance rates. 

465
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,360
So let's just for all of our 
listeners, majority are 

466
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:24,720
rejected, a far majority are 
rejected the first time and I 

467
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,720
would like to normalize it. 
I think they're, I have such 

468
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,480
like a different perception of 
it now being in veterinary 

469
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,160
school because I truly don't 
care how many times it took 

470
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,480
someone to get in. 
They are, I feel, more qualified

471
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,480
to be there. 
I don't know if you feel that 

472
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960
way, Jet, but watching some of 
the people in our class, I feel 

473
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,120
like if they took multiple 
cycles, they don't take it for 

474
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,880
granted. 
They're more technically 

475
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,120
talented by a long shot and 
they're very, very serious about

476
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,560
what they do. 
They're not entitled either. 

477
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,880
Like I earned it. 
Yeah, it really puts it in 

478
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,640
perspective fit for you when you
take those years off to see just

479
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,480
be in the field and learn to 
appreciate everything. 

480
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,280
I think like it's actually kind 
of more of a driver for me at 

481
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,800
least, you know, like I love 
working at a clinic as much as 

482
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,560
possible. 
I work, I have more overtime 

483
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,080
than you can imagine. 
It's just being there and seeing

484
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:23,000
it's not being the bombing total
because I'm obviously I wasn't 

485
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,560
bad, but like being able to be 
that person that makes those big

486
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,960
decisions and be able to really 
help people and be able to have 

487
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,200
the power to help more people. 
I think is what is what really 

488
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,760
drove me to keep going and to 
them just improve myself and be 

489
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,280
better. 
We. 

490
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280
Had a question. 
How did you deal with the 

491
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,600
comparison? 
Watching others get in while you

492
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,320
were still trying and even more 
so your fiance? 

493
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,080
I can. 
Only imagine. 

494
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,880
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

495
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,360
It was actually really 
interesting. 

496
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,680
You know, I didn't actually know
many people wanting to go to 

497
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,000
that school. 
You know, I don't know. 

498
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,080
I was at pre. 
It wasn't like a small 

499
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,400
university. 
It was smaller. 

500
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,320
And usually by the time you get 
to that point, most people have 

501
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,400
kind of given up on the dream. 
You know, this sounds like 

502
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,640
they're smart enough and the 
classes are too hard or 

503
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320
whatever. 
So I didn't really have too much

504
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,440
to compare to. 
But like you said, the biggest 1

505
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,560
was my fiance. 
We both had kind of very 

506
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,160
different routes. 
Our first two parts of our 

507
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,360
relationship. 
She stayed back at Community 

508
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,120
College and did that because it 
was free for us in Dallas. 

509
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,560
And she eventually came over to 
my university where I'd been 

510
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,040
taking more, you know, science 
classes, taking harder level 

511
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,240
classes, and our GPA S were 
about the same. 

512
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,480
Hers was a little better. 
But then it came down to like 

513
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,720
experience. 
I'll say she has more experience

514
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,040
than me. 
She completely had like $20,000 

515
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000
like saved up after she was done
Community College. 

516
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,760
She was like ready for undergrad
and she, you know, it came down 

517
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,240
to like experience. 
You know, we both worked clinics

518
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,680
some more hours about she had 
about 1000 more hours than me in

519
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,000
clinic experience. 
But I think what it came down to

520
00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,040
was a couple of things. 
One her having a lot more large 

521
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,600
animal experience because she 
worked with a dental specialist 

522
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,160
and she got to see special horse
surgeries, all these different 

523
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,720
kind of osteology surgeries and 
kind every ACL of seal wherever 

524
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,400
ligament torn surgery. 
You can see broken jaws and him 

525
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,520
writing a textbook, but you 
know, it's just like there was 

526
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,680
really much different from us. 
I actually had more. 

527
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,880
She only had two interviews the 
year she got in and I had eight.

528
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,000
So like, what does that mean? 
Does it mean And she had two 

529
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,440
schools that I didn't even get 
to interview at and I had eight 

530
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,440
schools that she did it. 
So, you know, it was really 

531
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,240
weird to go because I honestly 
thought just thinking about back

532
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,360
to that time was thinking like, 
Oh my gosh, if it ends up being 

533
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,520
me that gets into that school 
and hurry make me feel bad. 

534
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,080
But you know, I'll be happy for 
myself and it's more likely to 

535
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,400
happen to me. 
But then as like my rejections 

536
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,880
kept coming and, and she gets 
her acceptance. 

537
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,680
I don't know what to think. 
So, you know, it's never, I'm 

538
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720
going to say never compare 
yourself because everybody's 

539
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,960
completely different. 
Me and my fiance very similar 

540
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,520
paths and like the grades and 
experience aspect, but just 

541
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,480
little different rations here 
and there. 

542
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Different ways you write 
something can really change a 

543
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,680
lot. 
And that's actually one thing 

544
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,040
that A&M talked with me about is
like it really a lot of schools 

545
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,480
don't care about the grades as 
much. 

546
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,360
I've talked to many, many people
who decide that and grades, you 

547
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,680
know, as long as you're not just
like don't get the lowest GPA 

548
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,200
you can to apply to that school.
Let's be honest there. 

549
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,440
But like they read, they read 
into more of your personal 

550
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,720
statement, all your experiences,
your essays, your letters of 

551
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,080
recommendation. 
They're looking for a little 

552
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,800
specific details from each of 
them. 

553
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,680
And it's just, there's so many 
different aspects of different 

554
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,240
schools look at. 
And then it gets to the 

555
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,080
interview portion. 
I, I think of myself as like a 

556
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,480
really good interviewer. 
I know how to talk to people. 

557
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,720
I've been trained in it and, and
everything you can think of. 

558
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,080
But the one thing I would say is
like also during my application,

559
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,440
my first like one in my, I don't
know, because like the second 

560
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,800
year I got to go to some, I got 
to go to like 1 school. 

561
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,800
But my first two years, most of 
them were online like this 

562
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,840
because COVID was really kind of
hitting when I was there. 

563
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,320
And you know, I think being an 
online interview, you know, 

564
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,200
Congrats the people who have 
gotten in and can do it. 

565
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,320
But biggest piece of advice I'll
ever give you and please listen 

566
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,120
to this is go to your in person 
air views. 

567
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,560
It changes so much about it. 
They can see your energy. 

568
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,440
They can see how you look. 
You're not just in a room 

569
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,560
answering their questions 
because I feel it's very 

570
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,080
impersonable. 
And there's still some schools 

571
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,600
out there that don't even have 
an interview. 

572
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,160
They just have like prerecorded 
questions that you just answer. 

573
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,200
But if there's an opportunity 
you can to go to an in person 

574
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,200
interview, 100% do it because it
makes the world of a difference.

575
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,640
You can make a way better 
impression than you ever can 

576
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,480
through a screen. 
That's a great point. 

577
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,000
So LSU did not do interviews the
year that I got accepted, but I 

578
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,400
went to an in person interview 
for Royal Veterinary College, 

579
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,520
which was the multiple, many 
interviews, the Mmis, and they 

580
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,280
had it in like 3 or 4 different 
locations throughout the US 

581
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,480
because it's AUK school. 
And so I went to one in Dallas 

582
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,080
and it was so interesting 
because you also get to know so 

583
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,040
much more about what they're 
looking for and you get to meet 

584
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600
the people that are going to be 
teaching you or the people 

585
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,240
you're going to be around and 
you can talk to them about 

586
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,360
they're just so cool. 
Like I remember it was kind of 

587
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,240
an all day thing for the Mmis 
because they knew that, I mean, 

588
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,760
they had flown all the way out 
from the UK and we had all flown

589
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,280
in or out or whatever. 
And they really took the time to

590
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,040
give us a presentation about all
of the cool things about their 

591
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,880
college and meet every single 
person individually. 

592
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880
Like the professors, I'm 
assuming they're professors or I

593
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,720
know they were, they would go 
around and talk to you and, you 

594
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,040
know, and then that also made 
the interviews later in the day 

595
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320
a little less scary. 
So that was just another 

596
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,520
experience and I wanted to bring
back up y'all talked about, I 

597
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,480
guess maturity for those gap 
years and the difference and 

598
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,040
taking things serious. 
I'm kind of guilty of it. 

599
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
I'm the kind of person I don't 
do warnings. 

600
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,840
I'd rather work at 10:00 AM to 
12:00 AM shift then like an 8:00

601
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,520
AM to 3:00, if that makes sense.
Anyway, so I find myself I'll 

602
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,320
skip a morning class and watch 
it later. 

603
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,840
There's no consequences. 
It's not attendance mandatory 

604
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640
for first years at LSU and it's 
recorded. 

605
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680
So there's not really like 
downside to not going, but I was

606
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840
going to say people who are 
older than me and people who 

607
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,040
have had full time jobs, people 
who have taken gap years, they 

608
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,000
all are very serious about going
to every single thing, taking it

609
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,240
serious while they're there. 
And I like admire that so much. 

610
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,560
And I tell myself all the time, 
I'm going to do it. 

611
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960
I'm going to be like them. 
Somebody told me once one of 

612
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,040
these people, they say, well, I 
look at it as a job. 

613
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,840
You can't just not show up to 
your job. 

614
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
And I was like, you're so right,
you're so right. 

615
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
I don't know. 
That's just, I'm also just very 

616
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680
involved and so I get busy and 
I'm like, whatever, I'll skip my

617
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400
8:00 AM and watch it at 3:00 PM 
after my last class. 

618
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,480
It doesn't really make a 
difference for me, but I do 

619
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,760
think it's a big thing. 
Maturity. 

620
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,560
It was also one of the number 
one things people said in the 

621
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,280
most valuable thing gained in 
their gap years. 

622
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Almost all of them said 
maturity, life experience, 

623
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
personal growth, professional 
growth, knowledge, confidence. 

624
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080
That's kind of the synopsis of 
what everybody think thought 

625
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,520
that they gained that and and 
burnout prevention. 

626
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,240
There were just so many things. 
I was like, yeah that makes 

627
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,360
sense now that y'all say that 
you're right. 

628
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,040
All of the people who took gap 
years or that are older than me 

629
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,720
are definitely more mature than 
me. 

630
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,160
But I'm 21 so like oh. 
Well, I wouldn't be ready at 20.

631
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,000
Yeah, no way in. 
Hell, I don't know how people I 

632
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,240
think back when I was 21, I 
don't know how y'all do it. 

633
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,320
Like I definitely couldn't do it
back then. 

634
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,920
I've I'm actually closer to age 
to the emergency doctors at the 

635
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,840
hospital than I am to most of my
classmates. 

636
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,560
And I just, I don't know how I 
could have done, I don't think I

637
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,920
could have done it back then 
with my maturity level. 

638
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160
But you know, it's every 
person's different. 

639
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,360
And I do think taking that gap 
here gets you that experience 

640
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,320
and shows you a little bit of 
the real world. 

641
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,720
Because another thing is to is 
like working reception, you see 

642
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,920
some of these students not so 
you know how to handle a paper 

643
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,000
person in emergency situation. 
And another form that maturity 

644
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880
is learning how they like learn 
to talk to people or learn to 

645
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,800
talk to clients in those 
stressful settings. 

646
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,880
And it doesn't have to just be 
emergency. 

647
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,280
It could be something happening 
at your clinic alone, whether 

648
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,120
there is like a miss 
prescription filled, something 

649
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,440
else got messed up, you know, 
surgery mishap, anything. 

650
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,920
And you know, getting that life 
experience really matures you 

651
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,800
into realizing this is all 
serious. 

652
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,680
So you don't want to miss these 
classes. 

653
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,280
You don't want to miss those 
lectures. 

654
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,000
And I agree with you. 
I, I'm guilty. 

655
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,760
I've done it a time or two where
I've, you know, maybe missed 

656
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,600
that 8:00 AM and had watched a 
little lecture right after at 

657
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,160
3:00. 
But, you know, it's just, it's 

658
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640
all perspective. 
Once you once people see the 

659
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080
real world, when they get into 
clinics, I think they'll really 

660
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,960
hit them. 
Like you got to be mature in 

661
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,000
every situation at all times. 
Yeah, and also, I know a lot of 

662
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,520
people, when we had the APVMA 
Facebook group and I was kind of

663
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,240
in charge of that. 
I bring that up a lot because 

664
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,000
literally every single day I 
spent at least an hour looking 

665
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
through the group chat mod. 
My whole job was to monitor and 

666
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,120
moderate. 
And so I read a lot of posts and

667
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,400
I read a lot of FAQs and things 
like that, which is part of the 

668
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120
inspiration for this episode, 
because people absolutely lose 

669
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:17,920
their mind. 
I did. 

670
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,760
I did too. 
Like it's so serious, but the 

671
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
gap year, all the questions 
about gap years, all the 

672
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,000
questions, so many questions, 
but a lot of them are the same 

673
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,640
and a lot of the answers are all
the same, which is kind of why 

674
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,600
we want to wanted to address 
what we could in this. 

675
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,040
But I was going to say, I see or
saw a lot of people talking 

676
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320
about, I'm scared because I'm 
older. 

677
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,200
I'm not straight out of 
undergrad. 

678
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Am I going to fit in? 
To be honest with you, not the 

679
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,080
youngest, but one of the 
youngest in my class. 

680
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,000
And I'm the person that's out of
place. 

681
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,720
It's more people who have taken 
multiple cycles and it it's also

682
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,480
irrelevant once you're in 
school. 

683
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,960
Humanly nobody. 
I don't know about y'all, but we

684
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,880
had a conversation during like a
random wet lab one time and we 

685
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,240
were talking about something and
somebody said, Oh yeah, 

686
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,120
yesterday was my birthday. 
And I said, oh, how old are you?

687
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,280
And they said 28. 
I was like, you're 28. 

688
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680
What the heck? 
Like And they were like, well, 

689
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,320
how old are you? 
And I said, I'm 21. 

690
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,880
And they were like, what? 
Like people don't even know or 

691
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,960
notice unless you're obviously a
different age. 

692
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,280
And even then people still treat
you the same. 

693
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,520
I just don't think that once 
you're in that's school, people 

694
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680
really care about it. 
No, I really, the age thing is 

695
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,640
honestly coming in, I was 25 
when I started this, 26 right 

696
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,760
now. 
I thought it was going to be 

697
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,520
like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to 
be with a bunch of people who 

698
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,760
just learned how to drink and 
just, you know, not mature. 

699
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,040
But honestly it, it doesn't make
a world of difference. 

700
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,600
The people who I didn't even 
know were 2830, they seem like 

701
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,920
they're 20 to me as well. 
So the age thing, don't even 

702
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,520
think about that. 
That is such a nothing to worry 

703
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,880
about kind of issue. 
I really, I don't, I, I mean, I 

704
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,320
know who how old the oldest 
person in our class is, but 

705
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,960
like, what? 
I guess that was their age. 

706
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Not even close to that. 
And, you know, even some of our 

707
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,760
professors, I think some of them
are still in their 20s and I 

708
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200
can't even tell. 
So you know, the age thing, 

709
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,480
anybody needs to hear that. 
Don't even think about it. 

710
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920
It's so minuscule and no one 
cares at all. 

711
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,159
Now, will you get that little, 
wow, you were that age kind of 

712
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,719
reaction every time. 
Yeah. 

713
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,760
But like, yeah, it's kind of a 
compliment. 

714
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,760
I see it at least. 
It's definitely a compliment. 

715
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,600
And most of the time it's 
because to me, I think there's 

716
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,880
a, I'm not the only person. 
I've had this conversation 

717
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,920
before. 
When you're choosing age 212223,

718
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,280
whatever, you think everybody 
around you is also that same 

719
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,639
age, if that makes sense. 
Like you view everybody as kind 

720
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,280
of the same age past your 20 
year mark. 

721
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,360
So every time somebody tells me 
they're not 21, I'm like, what? 

722
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,679
And then it's the same reaction 
for them. 

723
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,000
They're like, you're not 28 and 
you know what I mean? 

724
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,920
So it's not even like, Dang, 
you're old. 

725
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,120
It's like, wait, you're not my 
age, like both directions. 

726
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,520
So it's just really funny. 
But going to some of these 

727
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,880
questions kind of that we talked
about on the Google forum. 

728
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,200
So we talked about what you did 
during gap year, some of the 

729
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,760
more basic things. 
What was or what would you say 

730
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,760
is your best advice for pre vet 
students who are facing looking 

731
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,160
or either intentionally or not 
intentionally taking a gap year 

732
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,800
this year? 
Oh, definitely. 

733
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,880
But one thing I will say, if 
you've never applied anything 

734
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,680
about taking a gap here, just 
apply. 

735
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,840
Apply to like 1-2 schools, give 
it a shot in state schools, 

736
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560
always just apply. 
I've known so many people who 

737
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,800
apply their junior fret or 
senior year of college and then 

738
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,480
they just get in. 
They didn't think they were 

739
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,440
going to get in and they get in,
they get to start early. 

740
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,160
A lot of schools have 
accommodations for that. 

741
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,520
So that's my first piece of 
advice going from that building 

742
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,120
off your question of the gap 
year is, you know, I kind of why

743
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,880
I saw that question earlier, I 
kind of broke it down into three

744
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,480
things is review, plan and 
execute from there. 

745
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,960
If you are, if you did find out 
from the schools who've got it 

746
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600
or not, ask them what they need,
what you need to improve on. 

747
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,960
You know, show that you're 
trying to make improvements. 

748
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,000
You know, even if you don't do a
thing, even just making them 

749
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,880
aware of your presence is 
something good. 

750
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,040
So that's the review. 
See what you need to improve on.

751
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,960
Mine was I needed more large 
animal experience, so I went and

752
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,760
fixed that plan to do it. 
Go or ask your mentors, ask the 

753
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,080
community, find anything. 
The only way I got my there's, 

754
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,880
it's kind of hard to get into 
the horse and large animal thing

755
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,320
just on a whim. 
But you know, I got it through 

756
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,120
my receptionist who went to 
who's gone to her horse Dr. for 

757
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,160
30 years. 
And just through that one 

758
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,680
connection, I was able to spend 
use my one day off a week to go 

759
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,480
up to that horse, a clinic and 
work. 

760
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,040
It's just you need to see what 
you need to do it out execute 

761
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,440
it. 
If it's something that can wait,

762
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
push it off till then, don't 
stop improving. 

763
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,880
Because my biggest regret was, 
is my second attempt was not 

764
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,240
doing anything in that gap year.
I just thought I have playing 

765
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,560
experience. 
I graduated. 

766
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,160
I don't need to do anything 
different. 

767
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,200
And that's not it at all. 
You need to constantly be 

768
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,440
improving. 
Just be able to add something to

769
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,440
your resume. 
And the biggest thing I would 

770
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,160
say is the biggest help in a gap
year is doing something along 

771
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000
the educational lines, whether 
it's research, research is 

772
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,440
always great to do. 
Get your name on paper, get 

773
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,280
something published. 
Every school would love to see 

774
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,040
that. 
But I think the biggest help 

775
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,600
honestly was tech school. 
You know, I went there, you 

776
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,240
know, and you get to take some 
really fun classes. 

777
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:22,200
I took Paris to tell anatomy, 
anatomy and you know, I was just

778
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,560
animal welfare, like real bare 
bones classes and like schools 

779
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,720
love to see that. 
I had no school really ever 

780
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,280
asked about my education until I
brought up the tech school 

781
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,920
stuff. 
Learning what I learned there 

782
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
and you know, just getting your 
foot in the door and being able 

783
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,880
to have a name attached to it. 
Heck, even during my zoo 

784
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,480
interview, just mentioning I 
went to the tech school in 

785
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,920
Dallas, one of my interviewers, 
his, his protege is actually the

786
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,120
head Dean of the tech school in 
Dallas. 

787
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,320
So, you know, just doing doing 
anything, lead you places that 

788
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,000
you won't ever expect or give 
you experiences you won't ever 

789
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,600
expect. 
And so just don't do nothing. 

790
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,880
Do something to improve and find
out what you need to improve on 

791
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,440
is what I would say. 
And it's different for 

792
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,040
everybody. 
If you need to go back fixed 

793
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,640
grades, do that. 
If you need to go get more 

794
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,800
experience, do that. 
If you just want to take a break

795
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,720
and just not think about it, you
could do that, but don't just do

796
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,840
nothing. 
Go get a job in a tech as a tech

797
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,920
or do something in a vet field, 
especially be the vet field 

798
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,840
because you're gonna, you have 
to learn the reality of this 

799
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,840
field. 
It's not all puppies and 

800
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,680
kittens, sunshine and roses. 
You're going to see some bad 

801
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,600
things and you're going to see 
some, not some nice people and 

802
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,360
you're going to learn to deal 
with that, not just be able to 

803
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,520
just go on a limb on that. 
So that's my biggest piece of 

804
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,640
advice is plan on what you need 
to fix. 

805
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,080
Ask that schools or ask what you
need to fix on your application 

806
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,640
and just claim to execute it and
use your resources around you. 

807
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,640
Again, I would never have met 
this horse talker if I did talk 

808
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,160
to receptionist about this issue
and he was great. 

809
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,320
I got to learn to do so much. 
He was actually trained to do 

810
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,080
AI, so I got to learn to do that
with horses. 

811
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,880
He showed he let me do the 
scope. 

812
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,120
I forget the nose scope, I can't
remember the actual word, but 

813
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,920
got to do that. 
It was real cool and I got to 

814
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,960
work my first colleague horse, 
you know, that was a that's an 

815
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,400
experience all night experience 
that I didn't know I signed 

816
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,040
myself up for. 
But he just I'm not going to say

817
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,840
I regret it because I had a 
great time. 

818
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,120
I learned so much and it's just 
being stagnant as the issue. 

819
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,720
Don't do what I did my second 
attempt or I guess my second to 

820
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,880
third attempt that in between 
year is do nothing because I had

821
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,040
more interviews but it amounts 
it to nothing because I didn't 

822
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,640
improve anything. 
So just constantly look to 

823
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,480
improve and better yourself. 
Failure doesn't mean you failed,

824
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,320
it just means more room for 
improvement. 

825
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,080
That's perfect advice, really. 
I mean, I also believe that 

826
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000
don't listen to a lot of people 
who aren't in the profession. 

827
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,840
I almost didn't apply or try at 
all because in my, let's see, 

828
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,360
sophomore year of undergrad I 
got 2C's. 

829
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,400
I'm horrible at chemistry even 
though my dad's an organic 

830
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,440
chemist and the counselor told 
me I would never get into 

831
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,000
veterinary school. 
I decided to not believe her. 

832
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,840
I worked really hard on my 
application. 

833
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,240
I did every deep dive into like 
how do I apply? 

834
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,560
What do I do? 
We have an episode on Vemkaz 

835
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,280
Deep Dive so for our listeners, 
please listen to it. 

836
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,440
We give a lot of really good 
advice on how to market yourself

837
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,960
because that's the whole thing. 
Think this is marketing yourself

838
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,920
and making sure you fit every 
single box. 

839
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,920
And then I got into four 
veterinary schools. 

840
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,720
And so I want our listeners to 
not believe the people who quit.

841
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,280
You need to believe the people 
who stayed and like you said, 

842
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,440
like Jet, who they couldn't 
imagine their life without it. 

843
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,920
And those are the people who get
in. 

844
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160
It doesn't matter how many 
cycles it takes, they're going 

845
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,400
to get in. 
And did you have anything that 

846
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,160
you would have done differently?
So just to share what people 

847
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,640
said, the number one, I'll let 
y'all guess. 

848
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,560
What do you think the number one
thing people said that they wish

849
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,600
they had done differently during
their gap year was? 

850
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,280
I think I know. 
Gretel, I know it because she. 

851
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,520
I feel like it just has to be 
something technical skills. 

852
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,720
That's the thing everybody feels
like they just feel like they 

853
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,840
don't have enough of. 
But I'm willing to think it's 

854
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,960
probably going to be something 
with classes or grades. 

855
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,840
None of the love. 
It's travel. 

856
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,040
I thought you said. 
Money, the number one thing, 

857
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520
literally somebody like All Caps
said travel. 

858
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,000
And it was also something that 
people said that they loved 

859
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,120
doing during their gap year was 
the ability to travel. 

860
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,800
So travel and save money. 
And we already talked about 

861
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,920
saving money, that is. 
Yeah, I will. 

862
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,960
I will say I did go do a lot of 
cool travelling in my in between

863
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,160
and I would probably never, 
ever, ever be able to do if I 

864
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,800
was in school still. 
So you know, I will say that is 

865
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,760
something I can't say I regret 
not doing because I actually did

866
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,560
because all my friends always 
were going on a trip somewhere. 

867
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,640
So I somehow was able to tag 
along to those. 

868
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,240
So yeah, I would say if I was 
just staying in the same place 

869
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,760
all the time and not travelling,
I think I would have gone 

870
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,560
insane. 
Yeah, I definitely being in that

871
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,360
school with no money. 
So double whammy not being able 

872
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,960
to travel. 
Now, I do swipe my credit card 

873
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,120
and now trust I will go on a 
trip, but I don't have the money

874
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,760
to do so. 
So it's just like, Nah, I'm 

875
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,440
going to make the sacrifices to 
save and protect my peace. 

876
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,880
My calf's going crazy. 
Sorry. 

877
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,280
But yeah. 
The top answers or the only 

878
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,520
answers were travel. 
Pretty much everybody who 

879
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,920
responded to that question said 
travel. 

880
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,320
Save money was the second one. 
A couple of people said nothing.

881
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,640
OK, fair enough. 
They were like, I loved 

882
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,200
everything I did. 
They don't need to change it. 

883
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Fair enough to And then the 
other two answers were more 

884
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,000
research and more hands on with 
other species. 

885
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,600
So we had a couple people say, 
you know, I only did exotics in 

886
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,720
small animals or whatever 
variation of that and they wish 

887
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,600
they had done more large animal 
horses. 

888
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,080
Name 1. 
This is one thing I actually, 

889
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,440
I'm glad you said that because I
really want to bring it up is 

890
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,600
I've talked doing my interviews 
with these schools. 

891
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,640
They're always like, hey, don't 
worry about not having 

892
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,880
experience with every type of 
animal from exotics to large 

893
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,160
animal to anything. 
I'm going to be honest, if you 

894
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,680
get that experience, like I know
they say they don't care, but 

895
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,400
they really do. 
The only thing I added to my 

896
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480
resume besides the tech school 
was getting that horse 

897
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,760
experience. 
And honestly, I thought I would,

898
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,960
I thought I would hate large 
animal. 

899
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,440
You know, I've always been a 
small animal guy, exotic pet 

900
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,800
kind of guy. 
I've always would prefer rats, 

901
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,280
dogs, dogs, cats, everything 
under the sun because my doctor 

902
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,000
did see exotics. 
Heck, I saw a lemur one time and

903
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,760
it was just that. 
That truly does matter. 

904
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,720
Like don't I know, I know the 
schools say they don't and that 

905
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,240
you'll learn it while you're in 
school, but get that experience 

906
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,520
because even still, people are 
so like once you get to vet 

907
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,560
school, you feel like you're, 
you get this kind of like 

908
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,280
imposter syndrome kind of going 
like, oh, I don't deserve to be 

909
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,960
here because I don't know how to
work that horse. 

910
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,400
I don't know how to halt her 
horse. 

911
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,320
I don't know how to herd cattle.
Get that experience because who 

912
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,160
knows, maybe you'll love it. 
I ended up finding out I might 

913
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,640
do go work on horses to do 
cattle depending on how I build 

914
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,960
my clinic. 
And there's so many programs out

915
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,960
there for large animals that 
like just pay off your loans. 

916
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,080
There's one just with the US 
government pays 40,000 a year. 

917
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,920
If you work 8 hours a week, 8 
hours a week on just cows and 

918
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,080
you get $40,000. 
That's great. 

919
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Get your experience, find what 
you love. 

920
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,320
Don't close every door. 
And you know, if you're just 

921
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,360
that person that thinks you're 
just going to do AB and C and 

922
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,120
that's your plan, your dad cave 
to it, stick to that plan. 

923
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,800
But my biggest advice, I will 
say is get as much animal 

924
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,320
experience you can. 
Don't like, don't be like me and

925
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,880
just stay. 
And I love my clinic. 

926
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,880
I love Doctor Rife to death. 
She is the Angel of my life. 

927
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,600
She's the greatest woman ever. 
But I do think I should have, 

928
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,840
you know, worked a little less 
and gone to get more experience 

929
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,920
in which I did my last attempt 
of don't don't worry about your 

930
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,400
responsibilities first because 
that's another thing too is like

931
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680
working at clinics. 
I know a lot of people work at 

932
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,040
these rural clinics and they 
really depend on them as a 

933
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,800
worker. 
But don't put that effort ahead 

934
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,880
of your duties of what your 
dreams are, your hopes, all that

935
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,680
you know, you gotta you gotta 
like make some sacrifices 

936
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,440
sometimes because that was the 
hardest thing ever. 

937
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,800
It was not even leaving like 
Texas. 

938
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,280
It's leaving that job, leaving 
the Doctor Who trained me for 

939
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,760
most my experiences is taught me
a wealth of knowledge is giving 

940
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480
me so much. 
So get that experience, 

941
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,520
appreciate your people, use your
resources when you're there is 

942
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,320
another big thing I have wanted 
to bring up. 

943
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,720
I feel the same way, but kind of
the opposite. 

944
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:33,560
You know, I had, I don't want to
say large animal clinic 

945
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,400
experience. 
I didn't have as much as that, 

946
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,320
but a lot of large animal 
production experience. 

947
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,880
I worked in the swine unit like 
I was in the in the trenches, 

948
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400
you know what I mean? 
And I had. 

949
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,440
Especially swine. 
Oh yeah, when I'm power washing,

950
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,120
getting all of that nice things 
sprayed back onto my face. 

951
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Beautiful. 
Anyway, and then my other main 

952
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,240
experience was necropsy. 
So I saw a lot of species and 

953
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:02,520
it's invaluable. 
Like it is so awesome and 

954
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,920
imperfect and I think everybody 
should do a couple necropsies at

955
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,880
least once. 
You know, you really get to see 

956
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,560
the anatomy. 
Anyway, different story. 

957
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,560
But what I was lacking is 
working with what live animals. 

958
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,880
And so I also didn't work with 
small animals. 

959
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,960
So I was like, I feel pretty 
solid in my handling of horses 

960
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,040
and all of this. 
But when I go to these small 

961
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,680
animal clinics on externships, 
I've made a point even though I 

962
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,760
don't want to go into small 
animal only, I want to go into 

963
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,760
mixed animal and do more large 
animal than small animal. 

964
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,240
But for all of my externships, 
I've chosen to do small animal 

965
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,520
and at least this past few 
months. 

966
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,040
I'm going into equine next 
month. 

967
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,640
But I've realized that I just 
absolutely lack so much there 

968
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,160
and that's something that I 
can't make up for other than 

969
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,840
going out and working in those 
clinics. 

970
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,520
It's something that I'm working 
on. 

971
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,720
But yeah, I agree, it would be 
very beneficial. 

972
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:53,080
I know in a class we were doing 
evidence based veterinary 

973
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,120
medicine and it's supposed to 
be, you know, toned down pretty 

974
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,600
easy. 
I don't want to say easy, but 

975
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,280
the examples, the clinical 
examples are very common things 

976
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,080
that you would see in a clinic 
if you worked with that species.

977
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Whatever choose it. 
And so last semester we were 

978
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,640
doing, I don't know, I don't 
remember the lecture but anyway,

979
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,400
something with the gut and they 
said here's these symptoms what 

980
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,600
does it have? 
And I felt like the whole class 

981
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,800
was like GDVGDV and I was like 
what the hell is a GDVI? 

982
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Literally was like, what are 
y'all talking about? 

983
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,960
Like Oh my gosh, I genuinely 
have noticed, you know, I know 

984
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,880
nothing about dogs and cats. 
I was like, oh it can't be that 

985
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,680
bad, right? 
It can't be worse than usually 

986
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,760
large animals, the thing that 
people struggle with because 

987
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,160
they didn't get that experience.
But it's the same way. 

988
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000
So definitely a little bit of 
everything would be great. 

989
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,680
Yeah, definitely. 
I agree. 

990
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Just not even. 
And I'm not saying you need to 

991
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,880
spend hundreds of hours with 
every animal. 

992
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,080
Just open yourself up to it 
because, you know, I just spent 

993
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,800
one one day a week for a whole 
summer on it, probably about, I 

994
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,560
don't know, 300 hours, 500 hours
with them. 

995
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,280
And the amount of the wealth of 
knowledge I've learned just from

996
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,080
that. 
And heck, the stuff that I can 

997
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,440
just apply from like what I've 
learned in school is great. 

998
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,160
Like when we talked about the 
limb on a horse, one of the 

999
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,840
first things I learned was the 
nerve block. 

1000
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,400
And then when we got to that 
section, I knew nerve blocks. 

1001
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
And, you know, I didn't have to 
think about like that lecture 

1002
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,200
constantly. 
I just thought about what I was 

1003
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,360
taught, you know, because I'm a 
big believer in like Sheriff 

1004
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,320
sitting in a classroom reading a
power PowerPoint over and over 

1005
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,320
again, doing your Quizlet a 
million times is a good way to 

1006
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,560
make sure you know the 
knowledge. 

1007
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,280
But experience, it's the best 
thing. 

1008
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,800
I can guarantee I'll never miss 
a clinician question on any of 

1009
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,680
these tests I'm taking right now
just because I know all the 

1010
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,640
tests. 
I know a thyroid test, I know a 

1011
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,840
Cushing's Addison's test. 
I know diabetes insurance and 

1012
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,320
out that was my best test is 
when we had a cell biology thing

1013
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,200
basically over all diabetes. 
So it's just I also think it's a

1014
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,480
way of learning is getting 
experience, you know, even if 

1015
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,760
it's nothing to do like in that 
Med like I'm a got out to VBMA. 

1016
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,120
Big, big fan of them. 
You know, I learned a lot of 

1017
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,160
business aspects from working 
with my doctor. 

1018
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,840
I was in charge to controlled 
substances ordering and I didn't

1019
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,560
get to hit the button to say by 
now I always have to let my 

1020
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,800
officer manager do that. 
But I learned how to do proper 

1021
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,200
inventory. 
You have to make sacrifices here

1022
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,600
and there on like what medicine 
you can get filled or if like, 

1023
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,200
you know, should I prioritize 
getting this machines region kit

1024
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000
or should I prioritize getting 
this machines maintenance done? 

1025
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,160
You know, it's, it's a lot and 
it's experience that you can use

1026
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,560
for not just Med school. 
Biggest help for Med school, but

1027
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,800
not just Med school. 
You can learn a lot of life 

1028
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,960
skills because get that 
experience. 

1029
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,400
It's a way to learn. 
It's a way to improve yourself. 

1030
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,840
And I think it's the most fun, 
you know, get to see cool 

1031
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,640
things, do cool things. 
Definitely. 

1032
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,000
Did you incorporate any of that 
in your personal statement or 

1033
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,880
descriptions or what did you 
change for personal statement 

1034
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,600
descriptions and letters? 
Did it vary a lot year to year? 

1035
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,360
Yeah, I actually did. 
So I actually had my lawyer 

1036
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,440
friend help me a lot because I 
don't know the best of writing, 

1037
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,920
you know, understanding. 
I can write a paper, but I can't

1038
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,000
write about myself. 
That's like something I found 

1039
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,640
very hard to do. 
But what I realize is in my 

1040
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,480
first couple, I would focus so 
much on one detail in my airview

1041
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,160
or my personal statement that 
that's would be the whole thing.

1042
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,440
And that's not what you need to 
do. 

1043
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,960
You need to display several, 
several different things. 

1044
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Mizzou really loved. 
I brought up research into mine 

1045
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,400
because you know, Mizzou, we're 
here big on research. 

1046
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,200
So I knew that they would want 
to hear about that. 

1047
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,520
I talked about how I paid for 
all of my undergrad while being 

1048
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,480
an undergrad student. 
I worked full time, man was a 

1049
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040
full time student all four 
years, whether I had one job to 

1050
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,240
three job just varied. 
You just have to like with every

1051
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,840
year I learned more and more. 
But what I think the best advice

1052
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200
I could see is just diversify 
yourself. 

1053
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,880
Make yourself look great across 
the board everywhere and you'll 

1054
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,960
hit something that they'll like 
about you, whether it's you 

1055
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,240
know, a school is more 
experience, whether they value 

1056
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:00,280
your research, whether they 
value your work ethic or if 

1057
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,640
you're in the Army or if you do,
if you have 5 papers published 

1058
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,040
or if you have a four point O, 
really just present every aspect

1059
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,400
of yourself in those essays and 
everything. 

1060
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,400
I'm also going to be a little 
say that like you should really 

1061
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,840
appeal to these schools and find
out what they're for because you

1062
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,800
know, like I said, when I found 
out Mizzou was big on research, 

1063
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,760
I went back, read the whole 
paper, read everything that I 

1064
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,680
knew about the research and 
explained my part of it. 

1065
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,680
I wasn't big in the research. 
I was just mentioned because I 

1066
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,600
would go catch the snakes. 
I wasn't really doing the 

1067
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,400
research on them, but like I 
still was able to talk about 

1068
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,720
that and they appreciate that. 
So know your audience, show 

1069
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,080
yourself and also don't like try
to, I'm put a little censorship 

1070
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,320
here. 
Don't try bullshit them. 

1071
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,480
They can smell it my little way.
It does not matter what you 

1072
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,760
think. 
And another thing too is like, 

1073
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,120
if you say you do get rejected 
and you have a gap year and 

1074
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,240
you're just thinking about what 
you said in the interview, don't

1075
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,680
think about that. 
Like, Oh my gosh, I remember 

1076
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,680
because there's this one girl. 
She was telling me about how she

1077
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,320
was doing research on a specific
animal and they asked, oh, 

1078
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,320
where's this animal from? 
It was like exotic. 

1079
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,200
And she said completely wrong 
country and you know, and then 

1080
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,680
she was like, I'm going to be 
honest, I don't really know, but

1081
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,760
I think it was in this area and 
none of them knew that. 

1082
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,720
And she was freaking out about 
that question and that like 

1083
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,120
she's not going to get accepted 
for that. 

1084
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,080
She was accepted in the first go
around. 

1085
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,040
So don't dwell on your interview
skills or focus on things that 

1086
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,760
like don't matter in the end. 
Just know who you're appealing 

1087
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,640
to. 
Don't bullshit show your full 

1088
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,360
self and always be ready to be 
able to build off of what you 

1089
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,120
say. 
Because they will. 

1090
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,880
I've with all the interviews 
I've had, they will pull 

1091
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,640
anything from those interviews. 
It could be the most minute 

1092
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,120
detail ever. 
You know, so many people brought

1093
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,240
high school stuff for me. 
I never thought they would care 

1094
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:48,640
about my high school stuff, but 
they were. 

1095
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,960
So there was every school I feel
like asked something about high 

1096
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,080
school or some kind of 
curriculum that like translated 

1097
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,120
that, you know, no, you're like,
don't just fill your 

1098
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,680
application. 
Do something with it. 

1099
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Explain it, be able to explain 
it and know who you're appealing

1100
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,280
to. 
That's a big piece of advice I'd

1101
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,520
like to give to people. 
Yeah, and on the topic of 

1102
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,080
essays, don't use AI. 
Please don't. 

1103
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Please don't. 
They know. 

1104
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,680
They know so quickly and like, 
you know, like I know you think 

1105
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,200
like that older professor or 
these older people won't know. 

1106
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,680
It's not just them looking, it's
everybody. 

1107
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,640
Don't use AI. 
That is such a bad idea. 

1108
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,560
And if you think you're smart 
and you're going to put it 

1109
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
through another AI to make it 
look like it's not AI, they know

1110
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,080
all the tricks. 
Don't do it. 

1111
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,720
I promise you, it's not worth 
it. 

1112
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,280
Also, I think it's not even like
a typo or a little like 

1113
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,640
something that you didn't run 
through. 

1114
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Grammarly usually reads is 
better and more personable than 

1115
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,480
something that you wrote because
I can see the argument. 

1116
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,280
Well, I wrote it and I just used
Grammarly. 

1117
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,040
Sure, whatever, but genuinely 
like Gretel and I would read 

1118
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,400
scholarship applications for a 
PVMA and we were like, this is 

1119
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,160
not like this person might have 
done these things, but they did 

1120
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,400
not write this. 
You know, if you say write an 

1121
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,080
essay about this experience, 
this experience and this 

1122
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,800
experience, sure, that's the 
information that you did. 

1123
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,800
But it's, it just doesn't sound 
good. 

1124
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,960
And it's so easy to spot. 
And I've heard some nightmare 

1125
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,560
stories about people leaving. 
This part drives me crazy when 

1126
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,320
you leave the part that says let
me know if you need anything 

1127
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,520
else or whatever at the end. 
To me, it shows just sheer 

1128
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,160
unwillingness to care, because 
if you really cared, you would 

1129
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,240
type that whole thing out, make 
sure it's the best thing ever. 

1130
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,200
And like you said, they noticed 
the imperfections and like to 

1131
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,600
see those things. 
You know, I'm not the world's 

1132
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,480
best speller. 
I know there's probably a typo 

1133
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,040
somewhere and that thing should,
and I probably did do a spell 

1134
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,560
check on it. 
But like, it's those they like 

1135
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,040
to see genuine. 
They, they, again, like I said, 

1136
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,920
they can smell bullshit a mile 
away. 

1137
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,240
And if you think you're smart by
using AI, you're not it's, it's 

1138
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,160
not an original idea. 
They 100% know. 

1139
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,160
And they're getting better with 
the application. 

1140
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,160
Like I remember I got an e-mail 
from the Texas one saying that 

1141
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,200
they're really having to hammer 
down on the AI stuff because 

1142
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,080
it's just so obvious now and 
people are doing it left and 

1143
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,440
right. 
So the original be yourself. 

1144
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,200
And I'm not saying AI is an 
interesting tool to use 

1145
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,960
nowadays, you know, I'm not 
saying it's never going to be 

1146
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,240
not useful. 
Use it as a way to improve 

1147
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,680
yourself. 
Hey, what do you hey AI, is 

1148
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,400
there anything else you think I 
should like lengthen in this or 

1149
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,360
anything else you suggest I 
write? 

1150
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,320
Don't, but don't use it too 
right. 

1151
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,880
Use it as a way to just help 
you, right? 

1152
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,560
Now I I completely agree. 
I completely agree. 

1153
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,280
I feel like when I applied AI 
was around but never would have 

1154
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,160
thought of using it. 
Never would and I wish that were

1155
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,480
still the standard because you 
have to be able. 

1156
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,440
It's like a soul finding 
journey. 

1157
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600
That's why I felt writing my 
personal statement, it took me 

1158
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,280
months and months and months to 
like craft what I thought was 

1159
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,120
perfect and like 7 or 8 people 
reviewing it and giving their 

1160
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,960
thoughts. 
And I love that you said like if

1161
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,240
you cared you would put in the 
work. 

1162
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,200
And that is the veterinary 
profession. 

1163
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,720
We study all day and I still, I 
might get called in tonight 

1164
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,680
between 12:00 and 4:00 AM, but 
I'm still happy to go. 

1165
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,040
You have to care that much. 
And if you don't care enough to 

1166
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,840
even write that essay, then this
is not the field for you. 

1167
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,160
And I know, like, not to bring 
this up again, but genuinely 

1168
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,160
it's so infuriating because we 
had a couple, we had like, I 

1169
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,600
don't remember like 7 or 8 
scholarships that we had to 

1170
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,160
choose a winner for on a 
national level. 

1171
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,160
And there was a couple 
categories, not one, but in 

1172
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,520
multiple where we could tell the
winner used AI. 

1173
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,120
But what are we going to do? 
Just not get the scholarship? 

1174
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:42,360
Like we can tell. 
And it's so upsetting that we 

1175
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,920
didn't get one applicant that 
didn't use obvious AI. 

1176
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,120
Like that's really upsetting. 
Try to care. 

1177
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,760
It's very upsetting. 
You know, it's just like, and to

1178
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,320
me, I feel like it's even more 
obvious that you're using it. 

1179
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,160
You know, like, nobody's gonna 
have that perfect punctuation, 

1180
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,320
use that perfect grammar or use 
that long word that you've 

1181
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,800
probably read for the first 
time. 

1182
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,400
And, you know, those people 
aren't, like, checking them 

1183
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,040
either. 
They're just accepting what it 

1184
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,120
is and just submitting it. 
Yeah, AI is a good tool, but not

1185
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,920
for it Can't. 
It can't be you. 

1186
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,520
You got to be yourself. 
Yeah, and I feel like we were 

1187
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,240
pretty lenient. 
Some of them, we ran all of them

1188
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,880
through an AI checker and some 
of them came back as 100% and we

1189
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,520
were like, hey, like this one 
isn't 100%. 

1190
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,760
They probably use Grammarly or 
something like that. 

1191
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,200
That's not the biggest deal, but
the ones that you left all the M

1192
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,840
dashes and like an emoji and 
like, come on, like let's be so 

1193
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,480
serious. 
I would love to do our wrap up 

1194
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,600
question which what has brought 
you joy lately, Jet? 

1195
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,520
OK, so I'm going to list off a 
couple of things, some that are 

1196
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,400
more momentary, some that have 
been going on for a while. 

1197
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,960
One, we had an amazing furball. 
You know, I think we did a 

1198
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,480
really good job on that. 
It was amazing. 

1199
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,240
Gambling, drinking, party all 
night, really everybody told me 

1200
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,200
about how they're going to leave
within the first hour. 

1201
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,240
Everybody stayed for all the 
hours there. 

1202
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,600
A second SABMA symposium. 
I highly recommend it. 

1203
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,640
If you didn't go, you know it's 
great. 

1204
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,760
You know, I will say some of the
lecture animal dentals in 

1205
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,880
general practice, like I'm big. 
I want to be a lot real dental 

1206
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,560
guy with animals. 
Just telling her that she got me

1207
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,440
this all expenses paid trip to 
Saint Louis next week, our 

1208
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,920
weekend of spring. 
Yeah, next weekend where they're

1209
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,360
paying for me to drive there, my
hotel, anything I spend on the 

1210
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,240
trip, and I get to get special 
dental training with specialists

1211
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,600
in the field, all in Saint 
Louis, and I get a hotel for 

1212
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,160
free. 
The only thing I had to do is 

1213
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,600
just say hello and talk about my
experience. 

1214
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,800
So you know, always talk to your
mentors, always show 

1215
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,080
appreciation of people and go to
Southwest Symposium. 

1216
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,600
And the other thing I will say, 
this is more nerd stuff, but the

1217
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,880
anime season has been great this
year. 

1218
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,960
Jiu Jitsu, Kaizen, Fire Force, 
Hell's Paradise, top three 

1219
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,000
shows, amazing. 
They're the only things get me 

1220
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,560
through these weeks sometimes, I
swear. 

1221
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,360
You must have loved the anime 
convention, though for our 

1222
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,440
listeners it was at the same 
time as our. 

1223
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,840
Symposium. 
It was so perfect. 

1224
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,200
I was able to somehow get to 
that area too. 

1225
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,000
I walked around the convention 
for a little bit. 

1226
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,320
I was just nerding out while 
also get to do vet nerd stuff. 

1227
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,280
It was great. 
It was like the perfect. 

1228
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,920
It was in heaven honestly. 
I was having a great time and I 

1229
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,880
got to talk to people to cool 
costumes and all that. 

1230
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,840
It was great. 
Love the experience. 

1231
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,800
All right. 
Well, thank you so much Jeff for

1232
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,920
joining us today for talking 
about it. 

1233
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,160
Thank you so much to everybody 
who listens, and huge thank you 

1234
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:33,120
to people who genuinely, I kind 
of synopsized everything, but I 

1235
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,200
did really read all of them and 
just try to give the best 

1236
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,760
representative of what everybody
said. 

1237
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,120
So big shout out to everybody 
who responded to this, for JET, 

1238
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,360
for coming on, for my Auburn 
friend who sent us, you know, 

1239
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,840
awesome advice. 
Just thank you to everybody and 

1240
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,160
I hope everybody has a great 
day. 

1241
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,800
I want to give a big shout out 
to doctor Mark Sheets who was my

1242
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,760
mentor inspired me to that 
greatest man ever love him to 

1243
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,040
death. 
Shout to doctor Reif she was 

1244
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,520
person who supported me through 
vet school, paid my rent one 

1245
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,720
time, my biggest mentor, 
greatest woman ever. 

1246
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Love her to death and I would 
also. 

1247
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,200
I love to give big shot to 
Gretel. 

1248
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,840
She's being an amazing 
president, doing great love 

1249
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,560
podcast and for those people out
there who think they should just

1250
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,680
give up, if you got hope, hold 
on to it. 

1251
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,520
It will be better, I promise. 
I love. 

1252
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,360
That, yeah. 
And that's a huge point. 

1253
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,800
We can't talk forever, but huge 
shout out to the mentors and the

1254
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,080
people who continue to inspire 
us every day. 

1255
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,440
You know, let's dedicate this 
episode to them because so much 

1256
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,520
of that is because of them. 
I hate the people who tell me 

1257
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,840
don't do it or the people in the
field, you know, drop out. 

1258
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,440
Don't. 
Anyway, huge shout out to the 

1259
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,240
mentor. 
But yeah, thanks everybody for 

1260
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,760
listening and we'll see you next
time.