1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Doctor Chris Besant, who is the founder and formulator of Herb 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,440 Smith Medicus Veterinary Diets and the Simple Food Project, was 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:16,440 kind enough to grace us with her incredible, incredible wealth of 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,000 knowledge once again on the Pet Health Junkies podcast. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,880 And because of that, I again do not want anyone to miss this 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,440 incredibly invaluable information. 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:34,360 This week we talked mostly about herbs, and I am just fascinated 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,520 with herbs. I have to say it's one of the 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,480 things that is very prominent At the top of my list for 2025 is 10 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:48,200 really diving deeper into herbs and herbal therapy because plant 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:54,440 medicine is not new. It is the original medicine and 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,800 it is so powerful, can be incredibly powerful, but also 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,599 can be very gentle, which we all know we all need. 14 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,600 And it can be really hard to try new things with our pets when we 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,040 think that maybe something can go horribly wrong. 16 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,920 And for the most part, a lot of herbs, especially in the base 17 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,640 herb Smith line, are so incredibly gentle and safe. 18 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,720 And I just can't, can't hold this back from the pet parenting 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,080 reset community. I know some of you guys may 20 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,680 listen to pet health junkies. Most of you do not. 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,200 So I want to make sure that you're getting any and 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,520 everything that I put out because it is all so valuable. 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,920 I can't wait for you to hear Doctor Chris Besson again. 24 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,600 And we talk a little bit about omegas as well, which is really 25 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,080 cool. I think that, you know, she had 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,680 no idea that Judah was recently on the podcast and gave us like 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,280 a master class in omegas. But as a veterinarian, as 28 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,000 someone who practiced for decades and is still practicing 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,560 the some, she is trying I think to at least semi retire. 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,320 But that's hard and I get that, especially when you love what 31 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,600 you do. She has so much incredible 32 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:14,200 information to give us and herbs are just one of the many things 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,200 that we have at our disposal and I think don't utilize enough. 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,920 I know it's one thing that I want to look at more and more 35 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,160 every time I take on a new case, every time something happens 36 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,560 with me or one of my pets because again, when we look to 37 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,520 nature, nature provides. So here is the most recent 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,840 episode of Pet Health Junkies on the pet parenting reset. 39 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,640 This one is with Doctor Chris Besson. 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,400 Welcome back, pet parent. We are so, so lucky today to 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,840 have Doctor Chris Descent coming back on the show to talk to us. 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,320 We had an incredible episode with her. 43 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,800 We talked about prescription diets the last time and she so 44 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,680 generously agreed to come back because she just has so much 45 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,680 great information for us. Even Pam, Janet and I are just 46 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,680 like, what can you teach me? But also for just every pet 47 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,840 parent out there. So Doctor Chris lesson, we're 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,640 going to talk to you today about herbs and I'm so excited to have 49 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:18,600 you back. Thank you so much for joining us 50 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,160 again. Absolutely. 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,600 Thank you for having me. Of course, I know Pam, Janet 52 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,480 have plenty of questions to ask you and I just wanted, I was 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:35,280 hoping to kind of start out one of the things that I really try 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:41,080 to practice in my life and therefore be able to pass that 55 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,240 on to other people I talked to, to clients, to whomever is that 56 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,600 nature provides. So to always look to nature 1st 57 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,120 and that kind of, you were just talking a little bit earlier 58 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,040 before we hit record about how you want to start with like what 59 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,520 is the, the absolute least, you know, side effect thing I can 60 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,360 do? And then move up to wherever 61 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,480 your body needs you to go. And I think that's a perfect way 62 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,800 to start because herbs are what nature gives us. 63 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Like that is the original medicine. 64 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,320 It's not an alternative medicine like a lot of people would have 65 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,839 us believe. It's the original medicine. 66 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,160 And I just, I would love to hear your point of view on that, if 67 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,720 you don't mind. Yeah, absolutely. 68 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,280 When I got into this, I was a veterinarian, but I didn't 69 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,960 really grow up in this holistic sort of family. 70 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,240 I grew up in a typical American family where you used 71 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,040 pharmaceuticals when you needed it. 72 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,960 We ate OK, but I don't think it was a big focus. 73 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,880 But I really saw it with my patients and that patients who 74 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,280 ate well, healed well and lived well. 75 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,880 The route to that was less pharmaceuticals because they 76 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,240 were doing such a great job with nutrition on a daily basis. 77 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:03,080 And you're absolutely right, the majority of time we should get 78 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,880 everything we need. Micro, macro nutrients, 79 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,320 nutraceuticals, phytonutrients, all of that should be in the 80 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:16,400 food that we consume and that if our food was as packed with the 81 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,280 nutrients as it should be, we wouldn't need anything else. 82 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:25,200 But but let's say it's not. Then to me, the next step is 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,320 more targeted nutrition. So for a young puppy or a young 84 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,960 kitten who's growing, we know their brain is massively 85 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,680 developing and that the brain is made-up of so much of it as fat 86 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,120 and omega-3 fatty acids really support brain growth. 87 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,800 There's no question in my mind that young kittens, puppies, 88 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,600 even growing dogs until they're mature should be getting 89 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,040 elevated levels of omega-3 fatty acids, particularly DHA, which 90 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,400 is one of the active forms. So you can get that from grass 91 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,200 fed meats, you can get that from seafood. 92 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:07,320 And then I would say within seafoods, I would tend to pick 93 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,280 things that are lower on the food chain. 94 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Salmon is a giant fish, and so it eats all sorts, all sorts of 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,600 other fish. And fish tend to accumulate 96 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,080 toxins because toxins are often times linked to fat. 97 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,800 And so as this big fish is eating all these little fish, 98 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,440 it's consuming all the toxins they've been consumed. 99 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,480 So staying with something like krill, which is a itty bitty 100 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:40,520 teeny little aquatic species or algae is probably the furious 101 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,720 least toxin bound omega-3 fatty absence. 102 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,720 So we can really make a huge difference with food alone. 103 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,280 And that really has kind of really shaped my veterinary 104 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:53,240 career. Is that number one, what are 105 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,440 they eating? And is it a clean source or is 106 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,240 it not so clean? And if it's not so clean, how 107 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,400 many different toxins are you taking in? 108 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,200 And are you getting, you might be getting the macro 109 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,480 micronutrients, but are you getting antioxidants and Omega 110 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,280 threes and all the other things that we absolutely need? 111 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:17,160 And then as you said, you go from things that are non-toxic 112 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,120 food and then I would move to herbs and then herbs and 113 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,120 lifestyle changes, things like that. 114 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,640 And then possibly some pharmaceuticals things that are 115 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,440 short term use for specific issues. 116 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,280 And then if you really need it to go to surgery. 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Absolutely. Thank God that we have it. 118 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,840 And but I feel, and I, and I've seen this throughout my 119 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,960 veterinary, just that pets that eat well have this really solid 120 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,120 pyramid of health because they ate well. 121 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,360 So their tissue is healthy and their bodies are healthy and 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,320 their organs are healthy. So if they have to go through a 123 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,240 surgery, if they have to withstand anesthesia, they're 124 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,320 better suited to be able to do that. 125 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,400 So their recovery is better. And I saw that as a veterinarian 126 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,520 because it made me look so good. The pet parents who fed their 127 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,000 animals really fabulous, Those animals healed so quickly. 128 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,720 And the pet parents who for whatever reason, no judgment why 129 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,560 they couldn't feed them as well, those animals did not heal well, 130 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,680 and they were much harder to get them back into a place of health 131 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,200 again. Yeah, it's not that it couldn't 132 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,400 happen. It just took more because their 133 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,480 foundation wasn't just strong. Yeah. 134 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,679 Well, and I want to let you guys loose, but you said one thing 135 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,560 that I really want, I'm hoping to touch on really quickly. 136 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,560 And we did kind of talk about it a little bit the last time when 137 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,640 we were talking about the quality of food used in pet 138 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,680 food, specifically pet feed pet food. 139 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,600 But you just said that we ate OK when you were growing up, but it 140 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,160 wasn't a big focus. And I feel like so many of us 141 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,440 feel that way. And I hear the exact same thing 142 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:11,920 from a lot of people in regards to their dog saying of my 143 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,600 childhood dog or my parents dogs or my grandparents dogs. 144 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,400 They ate old Roy or whatever, Purina forever and they were 145 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,920 totally fine. And I think that kind of ties in 146 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,400 a lot to the changes that we've seen in the quality of 147 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,600 ingredients going into pet food, but also the fact that just the 148 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,200 baseline of food that we have now as a country, like our 149 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,040 baseline of food when we walk into the grocery store is not as 150 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,960 nutrient dense as it was even 50 some plus years ago. 151 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:51,400 So we have to take all of those things into account as to why 152 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,440 it's just not that easy anymore. I agree 100%. 153 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,680 I think that I think that we live in a really toxic world and 154 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:02,960 it's only getting more toxic. I, I think we live in a world 155 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,800 where we're not really investing back into fertilizer for our 156 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,560 soils. So if you compared the nutrient 157 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:14,400 content of, let's say wheat from the fees compared to nutrient 158 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,040 content, now it's dramatically different for people as well As 159 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,640 for animals. So yeah, I think that I've 160 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:25,120 always felt this and I, I know you guys will resonate with this 161 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:30,200 as well, that animals are the Canary in the coal line that 162 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,440 what is happening with our dogs and our cats with chronic 163 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,920 disease is absolutely happening with our people as well. 164 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,400 A dog and a cat, we see it so much quicker because they have 165 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,040 such a shorter lifespan. So a chronic disease in a dog 166 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,920 and a cat is seen at 7-8, nine years of age where chronic 167 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,880 disease in humans is in the 40s, fifties, 60s. 168 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,360 It's the same thing. It's that an area in the coal 169 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,480 mine effect, which I think we need to pay a lot more attention 170 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,720 to. Like I was just on a really 171 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,200 amazing podcast of for human Health and why did she have me 172 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,520 on there speaking about it? Because she understood that what 173 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,920 happens in animals is happening in our people and because of 174 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:24,560 their short lifespan, we see that whole dynamic her in a 15 175 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:29,000 year time period, not in a 70 year time period that it's 176 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,360 harder to make the transition and the gradual condition of 177 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,840 going on to more and more chronic diseases takes longer. 178 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,320 And it's not so obvious we're in pets. 179 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,640 It's obvious and, and as I've said before, and you guys I'm 180 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,000 sure feel the same, that cats are the most nutritionally 181 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,680 abused creatures ever, anywhere. Like since we domesticated them, 182 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520 we now treat them like omnivores, that they're not 183 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,080 omnivores. And the majority of chronic 184 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,200 disease that occurs within cats is exactly that, because we're 185 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,280 feeding them like omnivores and not like carnivores, as well as 186 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,400 the low grade toxicities that are in our food every day that 187 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,680 we eat. And so do we have. 188 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,840 So herbs, you mentioned herbs and lifestyle are what you would 189 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,480 go to right after diet. And we, I mean, obviously we 190 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,880 just constantly talk about diet because I think we all agree it 191 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,320 is the foundation. So moving on to herbs. 192 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,480 I know Janet, I know you had a ton of questions. 193 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,360 Could you? Well, you have the store, you 194 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,320 have the shops. So you have these people, yes, 195 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,160 are in and out every day looking at Herb Smith on the wall going. 196 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,160 What's that? What's that? 197 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,600 Why do I need that? Hopefully if not, we're really 198 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,800 good at suggesting and asking questions. 199 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,920 But yes, so I would, I'm looking at my list of questions over 200 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,880 here. But going back to what you said, 201 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,240 Doctor Besant, about the different requirements that 202 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,560 puppies have versus, you know, adult versus senior. 203 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,760 And then before we started recording, we were talking about 204 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,200 my new puppy Hope, who's 14 weeks. 205 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,320 And I want to share with the audience that I already have 206 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,920 started her at 12 weeks of age on Doctor Besant's supplement, 207 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,920 which is Creole. It's 100% crushed Creole. 208 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,320 And one of the things I appreciate and really respect 209 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,960 about your line, which is called Herb Smith listeners. 210 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,160 What I respect about it, Doctor Besson is that you are such a 211 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,960 stickler in the very best possible way. 212 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:41,360 Meaning of the word for no synthetics none 0 and in many of 213 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,000 yours you don't even have inactive ingredients. 214 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:50,520 You do not have fillers. So when when pet parents are 215 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,480 purchasing your herb herbal products, they know exactly what 216 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,560 they're getting and they get their money's worth because I 217 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:02,520 have, as all of us have, we've evaluated so many herbs. 218 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,400 And a funny story is shortly after I'd started my store, I 219 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,880 probably was three years in and my I came home and my husband 220 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,800 had purchased something off of Facebook and he bought 3. 221 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,000 You know, he did the he can give you this deal now. 222 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,520 And if you buy a second bottle, we'll get it to you at this 223 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,240 percent. And if you buy a third bottle, 224 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,320 we'll give it to you for free. And so can you fail hook, line 225 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:30,960 and sinker for that which I came home and of course, y'all that 226 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 know me, I am like even kill until I'm not. 227 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:41,320 And so I evaluated the label and I it was something like total 228 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:47,720 grams or it was or milligrams, I don't remember now 120 let's say 229 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,560 and like. 4. Of them were actually 230 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,400 ingredients in 116 were nothing and you know it spent 90 bucks 231 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,240 or something like that. So I wrote them an e-mail to let 232 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,880 them know my opinion and what I thought they were doing to the 233 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,640 the consumer and most importantly to pets. 234 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,800 You know you are stealing from consumers and you're stealing 235 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,920 from the pets lives because this product is not what you claim in 236 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,720 your marketing. And so very important aspect 237 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,800 about your product and how you run your business. 238 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,560 I really respect it and want to say thank. 239 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,120 You on behalf. Of all the pet parents. 240 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,320 It was, it was such a common story that I would see that pet 241 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,000 parents would bring their dogs to me, say in my veterinary 242 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,560 practice, say they're 10 years of age. 243 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,760 And my, of course, my number one is we need to get them on a 244 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,440 glucosamine supplement to nourish their, their joints and 245 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,320 to increase the thickness and the viscosity of the joint 246 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,560 fluid. And you would tell me proudly 247 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,240 that they've been buying from a big box store for the pets into 248 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,120 their life. And then we would quickly look 249 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,480 it up and it was, it was not therapeutic levels. 250 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,000 It was just a trace of it so they could put it on the label. 251 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,600 And unfortunately a pet parent shouldn't shouldn't have to do 252 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,480 the math. They should be able to say that 253 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,120 if it has hip and joint on it, that it's at a therapeutic level 254 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,720 for hip and joint. But unfortunately that's not the 255 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,680 law. The law is it just has to be the 256 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,200 presence that it to the integrity of the manufacturer. 257 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,240 And I can tell you, I, I'm so glad that you appreciate that, 258 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,040 that we do that because it cost us a lot, lot, lot more. 259 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,080 You make a good product that is therapeutic levels. 260 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,080 And you know, I went through a whole PowerPoint of comparing 261 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,960 the math that at bag of hip and joint chews, it has very little 262 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,000 glucosamine. You'd have to feed like 4 bags a 263 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,840 day to be equivalent to what a therapeutic dose is. 264 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,080 And then I'd say, OK, this container that cost $35 seems 265 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,800 like a lot of money. But now you have to buy these 266 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,280 bags, four of them a day at 6 bucks a bag. 267 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,440 So that's $24.00 a day for an, for a month. 268 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,680 OK, to get to a therapeutic level. 269 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,920 What, what are you at now? It's a ridiculous amount of 270 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,359 money. And you're right. 271 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,359 And the, the person who really suffers or the creature who 272 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,000 really suffers is the dog because the dog wasn't getting 273 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:27,400 what the owner thought that they would. 274 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,440 And, and that was a big impetus to why we developed Herb Smith 275 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,560 because I was like, this is just fraud. 276 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,320 It's just, and then of course, coming into the retail world and 277 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,520 flat out just saying that I haven't had death threats, but 278 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,800 it was close because nobody likes to be called out on it. 279 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,040 But thank God there's people like you that run really good 280 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,360 stores that you do them at so that your pet parents can get 281 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:56,840 what they really think they're getting. 282 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,080 And, and it might seem like they pay a lot, but in reality, it's 283 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,480 not even close to what it would be if you had to try to get it 284 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,560 with a more diluted. And unfortunately, that's tons 285 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,080 of money because they didn't put it into the product, they put it 286 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,680 into marketing. They put it into the marketing, 287 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:18,080 into their pockets and you know, to your point about, you know, 288 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,040 the pet, I'll tell you a testimonial. 289 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,520 I have a 13 year old Australian Shepherd and CCL surgery when he 290 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,200 was four years old and five years old. 291 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,080 Yet the one, the second one followed 10 months later and he 292 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,160 recovered beautifully. However, I was thinking down the 293 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,440 road, OK, what is this going to look like when he's 10/11/12 294 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,680 and, and he's a standard size Aussie. 295 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:47,440 So he's, you know, 65 lbs. And so thankfully I came across 296 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,920 your product and I wish that I could remember the how and my my 297 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,280 origin story with coming before Herb Smith in front of it. 298 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,960 And but I can't remember right now. 299 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,560 But anyhow, I started him on that as a preventative, you 300 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,880 know, and too often we hear from pet parents and we're like, 301 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,880 well, you know, my, my pets 10 years old. 302 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,840 So I want to start something like sound dog viscosity for hip 303 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,520 and joint. And it's really a great day when 304 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,640 we're visiting with our pet parents who love and adore their 305 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,240 pets and we share what we know with them about preventative 306 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,800 care and they see it, they see the future and they get it. 307 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,440 So in Charlie's case, here we are four and five, and then he's 308 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:40,960 in for his senior appointment and she did X-rays to see how he 309 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,240 looked as far as arthritis went. And she was shocked. 310 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,320 And the vet I see is somewhat integrative. 311 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,880 So I, I, she's excellent. She's open minded. 312 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,120 She knows a little bit about herbs, a little bit about 313 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,800 integrative modalities. And what I appreciate about her 314 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,080 is that I go in with my research, I go in with my 315 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,920 questions. And she's never backed down or 316 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,000 shield away. And she's open minded and she 317 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,000 understands how I want to take care of my 5 pets. 318 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,880 And she respects that and lets me take the lead, if you will, 319 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,000 and gives me advice. And like you said, occasionally 320 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,840 though, we need to step in with traditional medicine. 321 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:24,760 But anyhow, I'll, I'll stop. He had 0 signs of arthritis in 322 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,360 his knees, his hips, his back, zero. 323 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:33,240 And at 13 years of age and I'm just that just, it makes me feel 324 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,480 really, really good because I'm so happy for him for. 325 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,880 Charlie And the wonderful part is that that that's the sort of 326 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,880 thing that really sticks in that vet's mind. 327 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,040 And so she might not tell you, but I'm sure she's recommending 328 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,720 it to all of her patients. That's kind of how I came about. 329 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,560 All of this is, again, not to be all holistic, but more just what 330 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,680 is going to give me the most tools to help every patient that 331 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,480 walks through my door. And with that came chiropractic 332 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,240 and acupuncture and using herbs and talking about food therapy. 333 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,640 And so it wasn't that I set out to do that. 334 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,920 All I really cared about was being a good vet. 335 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,040 And I wanted to have as many tools possible with the, with 336 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:26,040 the thought process of being the least toxic tools possible 1st 337 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,360 and then gradually move into things that are maybe harsher, 338 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,640 more toxicity, but they're also stronger and needed at that 339 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,960 time. But yeah, your story people 340 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,880 share. People shared with me stories 341 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,880 like that when I was just starting to learn this, this 342 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,680 light bulb kept going off saying there's something to this stuff. 343 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,680 And then I went and got the best certifications in the world. 344 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,240 And like you talk about it every day. 345 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,880 Yeah. So can you talk to us about some 346 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,800 of the most common issues that pets will face and then what 347 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,000 herbs and, you know, herbal supplements you would recommend 348 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,160 that our listeners go and, you know, look into and research? 349 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,400 That's a big question. It is. 350 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,760 I know. And I showed you our shelf 351 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,960 before we started because I mean, we don't carry your full 352 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,400 line, but we carry a lot of it. And it was the same for me. 353 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,400 I'm like, OK, what? And for example, we always talk 354 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,520 about the gut because 80% of the immune system is in the gut. 355 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,320 So it's like that is a core herbal supplement in our store. 356 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,680 And so that's kind of where I'm coming from. 357 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,480 Yeah. So let's talk about that. 358 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,160 I would, I would say #1 is supporting health and Wellness. 359 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,520 So keeping that dog who is not having any problems from getting 360 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,960 problems and it's kind of looking at food and where's 361 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,280 their shortcomings and and then looking at the stage of life 362 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,520 that they're in. So as a young dog, I agree with 363 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,480 you 100%. We need to protect their 364 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,920 microbiome and we need to constantly be enhanced. 365 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,760 So it's such a dynamic process that's going on. 366 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,440 So you'll hear stories about one dose of metronidazole for 367 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,640 diarrhea just blows out all of the good bacteria within the 368 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,720 gut. You win out. 369 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Is it is it worth it or is it not worth it? 370 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,120 And I think the other really important part is that it's 371 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,440 always coming back as well. So, you know, how does how does 372 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,080 a puppy inoculate their gut? Because of course they don't 373 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,800 have any bacteria within their body when they're in utero, 374 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,560 because otherwise they would have abscesses. 375 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280 So they're completely sterile when they're born. 376 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,160 But then they get all their, they get the microbiome that the 377 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,160 bacteria that sets up shop within their gut from the tissue 378 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,240 of the bomb. So when they're nursing, there's 379 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,200 bacteria around the nipple and around the mammary tissue that 380 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,200 they're licking and ingesting. And then they're chewing on this 381 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,320 and they're chewing on that. That's all good, normal, healthy 382 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,840 things that puppies need to do to, to inoculate their gut. 383 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,360 And then we can come. And if in the perfect world, 384 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:21,480 right, they would be the mom would be catching the rabbit and 385 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,200 bring it back and then the puppies would be chewing on it 386 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,320 and they would, they would eat the gut contents, which would 387 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,560 have bacteria. They would eat the hair, which 388 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,240 would be fiber, but it also has bacteria on it. 389 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,400 But we feed sterile food and that could be a show in itself 390 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,360 because it needs to be sterile, in my opinion, as well as the 391 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,320 FDA's. And the reason being is not that 392 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,680 the bacteria is bad, but because that food could sit in, it could 393 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,640 sit in a warehouse for six months and then it might go to 394 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,800 your store and sit there for a month, six weeks, and then 395 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,240 finally get to the pet parent. And then the pet parent opens 396 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,120 that container and it could be six weeks of feeding from that 397 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,240 container. So if bacteria were in there 398 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,880 from the beginning from the manufacturer, it would have this 399 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,240 closed environment that bacteria would grow, grow, grow, grow, 400 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,960 grow. So by the time you opened it, 401 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:27,000 it'd be pretty rotted and be so linked with bad bacteria because 402 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560 you've got to think of any time there's bacteria, it's like this 403 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,760 culture, this fight, this war of good bacteria and bad bacteria 404 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,160 and bad bacteria would tend to win out. 405 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,840 So now all of a sudden you open this bag and it's filled with 406 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,600 salmonella that's not great for your pet. 407 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,520 So because of the fact that we food is not consumed immediately 408 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,640 that it could be six months or a year before it's actually 409 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,760 consumed, it needs to be sterile clean. 410 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,400 So we have to re inoculate the gut with bacteria. 411 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:06,360 And so chewing on things fabulous lick mats, amazing, 412 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,240 licking each other great, that's all developing bacteria that's 413 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,080 going into their gut. And then we can utilize 414 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,000 supplements like microflora to inoculate their gut with 415 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,800 bacteria as well. So because of the way we feed 416 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,760 them, we have to, that's one of those absolutely necessary 417 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,760 supplements. Another one is glucosamine. 418 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,680 Because in the real world, what would happen that puppy would be 419 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,840 chewing on the bone endings and the bone endings have chondritin 420 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,960 in the cartilage. It has hyaluronic acid in the 421 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,840 fluid. It has glucosamine in the in the 422 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,040 fluid as well as in the cartilage. 423 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,240 It has collagen from the tendons and ligaments. 424 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,320 So every day that puppy, that young dog would be consuming 425 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,560 those things. But in the way that we produce 426 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,680 food, we're not using the end caps of long bones. 427 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Those are just getting thrown away or getting ground up into a 428 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480 meat and bone meal or a bone meal. 429 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,680 So if we don't provide that as a supplement, then there is 430 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,440 endogenous production. So there is production within 431 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,880 the puppy's body, but if we want to maximize it, if we want to 432 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,200 make sure that the body has everything it needs to support 433 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 healthy joints, we have to add it to their diet. 434 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,080 And then lastly, for a puppy, DHA and omega-3 fatty acids is 435 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,680 the brain is fat brain is true. It's a lot of fat in your brain 436 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,360 in a puppy's brain. And for puppies to fully 437 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,600 develop, they need to have high omega-3 fatty acids, 438 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,720 particularly DHA. And DHA is one of those omega-3 439 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,040 fatty acids that carnivores aren't very good at converting 440 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,760 it from plant based sources like flaxseed or hemp seed. 441 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,560 They eat that and they can't convert it from the inactive 442 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480 form to the active form. So it's a good source of oils, 443 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,560 great, wonderful, but it's not a great source of DHA. 444 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,680 And I feel that all puppies need to have ADHA source at least 445 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,400 until they're young adults. So depending on the breed, at 446 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,360 least a year, maybe two years of age and and then you could start 447 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,040 to say, OK, well now they also need it because almost always 448 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,920 when there's DHA, there's EPA and EPA is one of the other 449 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,680 Omega threes that is really important for soft tissue and 450 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,440 the musculoskeletal system. So it doesn't go, the need for 451 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,240 DHA doesn't go away, but now there's an additional need for 452 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200 EPA as well in the Omega three sources. 453 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,960 So to me, I would agree with you 100%, Healthy, good, whole food. 454 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,160 But you need to, you need to inoculate the gut and constantly 455 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800 inoculate the gut because it's always changing. 456 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,520 You need an high omega-3 source, particularly something low on 457 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,000 the biodiversity or low in the food chain, as well as a 458 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,760 glucosamine source. Nice, great. 459 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,320 Do you have anything to add to that? 460 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240 Well, I was just going to say, like, one of the common things 461 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,080 that cats deal with is bladder issues. 462 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,640 Yes. And thyroid issues, those would 463 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,360 be besides gut health, of course, but those would be like 464 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,840 the two other biggies for cats at least. 465 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,920 Yeah. And I would say both of those 466 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,560 are nutrition induced. They're both from chronic poor 467 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,920 nutrition. The bladder, bladder issues is 468 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,440 cats are desert animals that need to they need to drink. 469 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,960 They're thirst part of the brain in a cat that tells us we're 470 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,040 thirsty or not thirsty is not very sensitive in in the felines 471 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920 versus a dog. A dog, if they're dehydrated, 472 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840 they'll just drink a lot. A cat, if they're dehydrated, 473 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,360 they tend to develop, they concentrate their urine, they 474 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,760 develop kidney issues, they develop all sorts of issues 475 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,040 because they're chronically dehydrated. 476 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Because in reality, that cat would have eaten a mouse or a 477 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,040 bird. And that mouse or bird is, gosh, 478 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,280 78% moisture. And so they're built to be 479 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,160 getting their moisture from their food. 480 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960 And when we're feeding them dry tibble, they're not getting. 481 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,920 So they're chronically dehydrated. 482 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,480 And I think hypothyroidism is exactly the same. 483 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,680 It's high levels of iodine throughout their lives. 484 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,080 It's the chronic heavy iodine levels slowly but surely start 485 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,480 to affect the thyroid. So now the thyroid is working in 486 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 OverDrive with all of this iodine, and we need to bring 487 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,720 those iodine levels down. And that will help to diminish 488 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,560 hyperthyroidism in cats because hyperthyroid, too much thyroid, 489 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400 it happens in old cats. You don't see it in kittens, you 490 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,520 don't see it in young cats. It's old tonic, so a meal or two 491 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,160 with too high of iodine is no big deal, but every meal their 492 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,000 entire lives is a big deal. And all that can get changed 493 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000 with nutrition. So that's not really a herb 494 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,760 thing. But I would say that there 495 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,880 there's herbs that are about supporting health and Wellness, 496 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,000 like cinnamon and ginger and licorice for the gut. 497 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400 And then there are herbs that are the spectrum of herbs go 498 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,320 from things that are more like food all the way to things that 499 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,880 are more like drug. Yeah, I tend to work in that 500 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,800 middle ground where they they're already getting good food, but 501 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360 they need more. So let's say it was a young dog, 502 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,800 a young Aussie who didn't get DHA, didn't get krill when they 503 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840 were puppies, and now they tend to have anxiety. 504 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,520 Well, anxiety. There's really wonderful Chinese 505 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:12,320 herbs that are all about calming neurons and calming anxiety and 506 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640 bringing that back under control. 507 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,480 And I kind of likened an animal's body as well as our 508 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,680 body as we're kind of rolling down the road of life and for 509 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120 whatever reason we bump off into the ditch. 510 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:31,640 We had a horrible Co worker who stresses us out or somebody 511 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,240 gave. This would be my case. 512 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,480 Somebody gave me a big box of chocolate and I gorged on them 513 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,760 and I feel like, you know. Slippery Elm. 514 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,520 There's all these things that kind of bounce you off the path 515 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320 of health. And then that's where I would 516 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,800 use targeted food, targeted nutraceuticals, targeted herbs 517 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,760 to try to correct that long before it keeps going off into 518 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,440 the ditch and then becomes autoimmune diseases and cancers 519 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,000 and all of those other things. And so in reality, using herbs 520 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,560 is proactive to support Wellner, always trying to get you back on 521 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,520 the track of health and Wellness. 522 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,120 So I had a wonderful, wonderful clients that one particular day, 523 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,520 this fabulous little Aussie was buy a phone pole and a flash of 524 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,280 lightning hit the phone pole and was like really super loud. 525 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,040 The dog never had anxiety before that, but he had this traumatic 526 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,240 experience and then he started to develop anxiety. 527 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,960 So we used herbs on him and we used herbs that were calming the 528 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,680 neurons, herbs that brought down that anxious behavior and the 529 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,240 and the classical kind of neural transmission that occurs within 530 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,680 the brain when anxiety happens. And we only had to do it for 531 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440 three months, 9, three months. And. 532 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120 And she said, he's perfect. He's back to himself again. 533 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680 Great. Take him off of the herbs and 534 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,040 see how he is. Herbs are kind of like food that 535 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,960 it's just this gradual progression to health. 536 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,560 You don't give a herb a pharmaceutical, you give it and 537 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,159 the next day or the next hour, you're like, they're so much 538 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,639 better. Herbs tend to take longer. 539 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,880 Yeah, but the same thing happens when you stop them. 540 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,320 So in this particular patient, we decided, OK, stop using 541 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320 nerves because I don't think he needs it anymore. 542 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,239 And we stopped. And then watch him closely for 543 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,760 the next six weeks. And if in the next six weeks, he 544 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,360 starts to amp up again, so now he's starting to get nervous 545 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560 about noises and he's starting to follow you around the house 546 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,960 again, and he's starting to show you early signs of anxiety. 547 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,560 It means he needs them longer. If he doesn't, great, then then 548 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,880 that's all that it took to kind of get him back on the right 549 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,920 path again. And that's really kind of where 550 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,520 I see you guys and I see the herbs that you have in your 551 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,840 store are all about that. Trying to correct it before it 552 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:16,120 gets so bad that the bladder issues and kiddies become 553 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,720 transitional cell personoma in the bladder. 554 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600 I mean how does that happen it it happens with long term 555 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,280 chronic pH issues and and changes to the cell within the 556 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,560 bladder that eventually mutate and go on to be cancerous 557 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,720 formations and if we can correct it sooner we can prevent those. 558 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,400 So you have a couple of bladder products, Doctor Besson, and you 559 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,120 have a new one. Do you want to talk about those? 560 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,640 Just a second. Sure. 561 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,480 Yeah, we have two, we have. Well, we have. 562 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,200 Three with the three now. Yeah. 563 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,720 So we have kidney care, which is Chinese herbs that are very 564 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,040 specific for increasing the blood supply to the kidney and 565 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,320 healing the kidney. Then we have bladder care, and 566 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,360 bladder care is all about recurrent bladder infections and 567 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,600 that the reason bacteria invade the bladder is because the 568 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,240 environment within the bladder is perfect for bacteria to 569 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080 invade. So it's not that bacteria are 570 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,400 like bad and evil, it's more that the environment of the 571 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,880 bladder is set up to allow bacteria to invade. 572 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,240 So with a bad pH and an inflamed lining within the bladder and 573 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,600 decrease urination because they tend to be more dehydrated, 574 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,000 those things are like the perfect scenario for bacteria to 575 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920 grow. So that's what bladder care is 576 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,560 all about, using herbs that are anti-inflammatory, herbs that 577 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,360 are antibacterial, herbs that are changing the pH and getting 578 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,800 the pH back to normal again. And then we also produce bladder 579 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,680 pulled. A bladder pulled is about 580 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,440 urinary incontinence. It's not about like the young 581 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,960 puppy that super excited and pees on your foot, that's just a 582 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,840 just happy puppy. It's more about that older dog 583 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,480 that is decrease their level of energy or chi and so they're not 584 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,400 holding their urine when they sleep. 585 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,200 So it could be an older dog that just is is really chi deficient. 586 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,320 So it could be a male or a female, but often times it's 587 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,760 females that have had their ovaries removed during their 588 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,720 spay process. And when you remove the ovaries, 589 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,160 you remove all of the normal hormones that you need, the 590 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,160 estrogens that you need to maintain the tone to the 591 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,760 urethra. So those three different herb 592 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,480 formulas are really specific for that kind of stage in that 593 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,120 animal's life. So bladder care is all about 594 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,160 cats. I mean, cats like that. 595 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,520 If if I had to pick the one formula that was best for cats, 596 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,400 it'd be bladder care, kidney care, amazing combination of 597 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,040 herbs that have been used for thousands of years in humans for 598 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,520 kidney issues. And we've been using 599 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,560 veterinarians around the world have been using that formula for 600 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,880 kidney patients forever. In fact, kind of an interesting 601 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560 story. I went to the American Holistic 602 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,240 Veterinary Convention with Medicus and I was like, this is 603 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,920 so exciting. Whole food nutrition for 604 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,320 therapeutic, you know, and I was so excited to bring it to the 605 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,320 world and I thought vets would just be like thrilled. 606 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,360 They did not care. I was possible. 607 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,360 Here's why. Because they've already fixed it 608 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,200 with herbs. So they didn't need a targeted 609 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:58,160 low phosphorus diet because they were already using herbs that 610 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960 healed the kidney. And then the kidneys started to 611 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400 function normally. And it took me a minute. 612 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,120 I, I, I was taken aback by it. But then I thought, wait, in my 613 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,880 veterinary practice, did I recommend CD and these other 614 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,080 kibbles? But I didn't. 615 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,080 And I mixed them off with, with the herbs themselves. 616 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,360 And so then it dawned on me, huh. 617 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,880 I got the wrong target audience, the traditional veterinarians 618 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,240 that want to use nutrition as a tool because they don't have the 619 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,000 herbs that us holistic veterinarians have. 620 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,640 That was. An aha moment. 621 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,760 It really, it was sad. It burst my bubble, but I 622 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,840 survived and went OK, we're going to change our marketing 623 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,080 here. Regroup. 624 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,720 Yeah, yeah. And kind of what we tried to do 625 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:52,320 with Herb Smith is look at big categories, disease and and 626 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,080 dysfunction. And is it something that one 627 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,240 particular herbal formula works really well for or for example, 628 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:05,160 in autoimmune diseases or in cancer, there's not really just 629 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,400 one herbal formula that fixes it. 630 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,400 It could be 20 different formulas all dependent on what's 631 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,880 going on with that pet. So you're never going to see a 632 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,320 cancer formula from Herb Smith because there's not just one. 633 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,200 And we'd be doing. Everybody a disservice to say 634 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,120 that it was because that's something where you really need 635 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,880 to do a tongue and pulse evaluation, a thorough exam, a 636 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,440 thorough history to figure out where did we bump off the road 637 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,480 of life and and what field did we drift off into that developed 638 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,880 that cancer and how can we bring them back or at least how can we 639 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,240 make their lives as comfortable as possible if it's been going 640 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,240 on for a long time. Yeah. 641 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,920 So I want to ask you a question. When you mentioned the patient, 642 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,560 I guess in this case it was the little Aussie that had the 643 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,720 traumatic experience and became anxious. 644 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,160 When you mentioned the herb, was that one from your like truly 645 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,200 your traditional Chinese herbal toolkit? 646 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,600 Not, yeah, the OK, not anything that we seem like in the stores. 647 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,560 No, let me tell you that every single thing that you have in 648 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,480 your pet store is from a traditional formula. 649 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,560 Right. So when I developed the Herb 650 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,480 Smith line, particularly for pet stores, I said what are the 651 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,000 tried and true? What are the formulas that all 652 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880 veterinarians all over the world use for? 653 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,560 In that one it was commshen. It's commshen your store. 654 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,040 And if you were to go to the traditional formula, it's called 655 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,640 Tianwan Bujendon. OK. 656 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,800 A regular holistic vet would send you home with a bottle of 657 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,040 Tianwan Bujendon. What we wanted to do is bridge 658 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,280 that gap. Yes, that is an amazing formula 659 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,360 that's super safe, that works really well, that the Western 660 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,560 medicine is very close to the Chinese medicine. 661 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,240 Any dog with anxiety, for the most part, is going to get 662 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,680 better with this combination of herbs. 663 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,760 And then we put a easy to say name on it. 664 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,800 So then we put Calm Chen on it so that people could say my dog 665 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,360 needs Calm Chen instead. If they had to say my dog needs 666 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,760 Tianwan Bujandan, they wouldn't do it because you wanted any. 667 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,920 Yeah, they'd have to sell it and they would feel silly asking for 668 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,200 it. So that's really how we kind of 669 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440 brought it together. So there are things like, like, 670 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,080 I would say that anxiety function is the the number one 671 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,120 formula that most veterinarians in the world use. 672 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,480 There's also another really great formula that's more about 673 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,440 anxiety with aggression. So if a dog has aggression and 674 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,120 anger and anxiety, the calm chan's going to help. 675 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,920 It's not, it's not the ticket. You've seen it when it's the 676 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,600 right one. Yeah. 677 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,640 Boom. Within like a week, they're 678 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,400 calling you and saying, I can't believe how good my dog is. 679 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,280 For a dog that has anger issues. There's another great formula 680 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,720 that's available that is very commonly used for dogs with 681 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,360 anger aggression. But that one is someone more 682 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,280 that you would need to be either with a with a healthcare 683 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,720 professional or with the veterinarian that would 684 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,920 recommend it. Not so much because the herbs 685 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,040 would be hopsick or anything like that. 686 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,160 They're extremely safe more because now you're getting 687 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,960 involved and the potential for somebody to get hurt. 688 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,800 So you really need to be sure that that is the right. 689 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,880 So we at Herb Smith, we have everything from the, the simpler 690 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,560 herbs where the herbal formula very much matches the Western 691 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,240 thought process of it. So it's easy to identify. 692 00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,320 And then we have Herb Smith RX, which is the more toxic herbs. 693 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,840 It's more the herbs that are very specific for a very 694 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,480 specific patient. Vets don't even keep in their, 695 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600 in their offices. They would order it, they would 696 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,320 identify the patient, they would identify this herb would be this 697 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,160 herbal formula would be really good for them. 698 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080 Then they would order it and have it sent to the owner 699 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,520 because it's so infrequently used. 700 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,560 That was my next question was about, you know, usage. 701 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,160 So daily use, intermittent use a couple of times a year, like for 702 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,800 example a microflora daily pre and probiotic. 703 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,680 It says it, you know, right there, it's daily and we always 704 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,040 need to be reinforcing the gut. So do you recommend that just 705 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160 like with humans? I mean, should pets be on that 706 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,680 365 days a year? In my opinion, yes, because it 707 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,000 is because the gut is always being challenged. 708 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,000 Very good every chemicals. It's true. 709 00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:01,080 Toxins in the food, but I hate to get all dark about it, but 710 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,960 glyphosate's in everything. And what did glyphosate do? 711 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,640 Glyphosate damages. It's an antibiotic. 712 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,560 And so in all of our food, in all of our pets foods, they're 713 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,840 getting an antibiotic every day that's killing their gut and 714 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,960 interesting, I think you guys will find this really 715 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,920 interesting. You know that how GLP ones are 716 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,760 like so common now to use for weight loss. 717 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,800 Well, GLP one, it's a hormone and what damages that hormone? 718 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,840 Glyphosate isn't that fascinating that glyphosate is 719 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,480 pervasive in any any grain that you're going to eat that's not 720 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,960 organic and it's going to be damaging not only the bacteria 721 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,640 for your gut, but also the hormones that are produced 722 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,880 within your gut, Gut lights. Frightening. 723 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,400 Like GLP ones? Yeah. 724 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,080 Why is it that almost everybody in the population does well with 725 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920 it? Because we're all eating toxic 726 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,080 food. Unless you're eating 100% 727 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,560 organic all the time. Wow. 728 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,440 So what of the herbs that are commonly suggested, for example, 729 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,680 milk Thistle, if you would talk about that. 730 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,880 And we know we have your little card and it says to at least use 731 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,320 it seasonally, like twice a year, maybe spring season, fall 732 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440 season, when allergies are at their height. 733 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,680 But of course, here in Central Texas, allergies seem to always 734 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,520 be, you know, a problem. So is it daily? 735 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,320 Is it seasonally? Is it cyclical? 736 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,440 What can you say about something for Milk Thistle and talk about 737 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520 like what that's used for? Yeah, I would say you have to 738 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,920 think of milk Thistle as a as a detox. 739 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,360 And so I think there's so many ways that you could use milk 740 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,760 Thistle and a lot of it is dependent on your animals. 741 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,640 So for example, if you're in an area that has never has a 742 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,720 winter, so you never have a frost, you never kills the 743 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,520 fleas. And so that person decides that 744 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,360 head parent decides that I need to use something like frontline, 745 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,000 something like that a monthly. Then you then give milk Thistle 746 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,880 2 days before the day of and for three or four days after. 747 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,800 So it's saying that I know I'm going to be giving my dog 748 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,200 unnecessary toxin in, in their opinion, because of the risks 749 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,480 that come with ticks or with fleas. 750 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,640 But then I'm going to use milk Thistle to detox the liver. 751 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,480 I'm going to help the liver be able to do what it needs to do. 752 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,360 So I would use milk Thistle in a bolus. 753 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,600 So like a 5 day time period for vaccinations, for Heartgard, for 754 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,840 Frontline, for if they have, if they need to take antibiotics, 755 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,240 if they need to take any chemical that the liver needs to 756 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,040 detox. If my neighbor is insistent that 757 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,880 they need to put on chemicals on their lawn. 758 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,840 And yes, it might be sprayed on their lawn, but it's seeping 759 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,080 down into the water table that my dog is then drinking and he's 760 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,560 walking in the in the huddles that are formed. 761 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,240 So I might use it when they spray their lawn. 762 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,120 I might use milk Thistle for a while so you can use it 763 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,920 preventatively to help detox or if your dog has a liver issue. 764 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,840 You can absolutely use it every single day the rest of their 765 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,120 lives and in the literature they talk about on for so many days 766 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,000 and off for so many days. Well, if you go back to the true 767 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,280 research behind the use of milk Thistle, it's best to be put on 768 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,880 board when a toxic event occurs. If you know that you're going to 769 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,320 be vaccinating, you're going to be using Heartguard or 770 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,560 Frontline, put it, give it to them before and then after. 771 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,360 And so you're arming the liver with the strongest strength it 772 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,240 can to detoxify. If you're going to use it long 773 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,600 term. The thought process is, is that 774 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:13,280 they're constantly being exposed to hopsins, to glyphosate, to 775 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,880 pesticides, to all sorts of things. 776 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,960 And I'm just going to always have that on board so that they 777 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,840 can detox as needed. Does milk Thistle come into play 778 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,400 when you have a pet who's had some liver compromising event 779 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,000 like liver failure? Absolutely, absolutely. 780 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,000 It's it's not only preventative detoxifying, but then it's also 781 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,440 hepato protective and nourishing to the to the liver. 782 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,880 So you could absolutely use it when they have a liver issue. 783 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,080 You could absolutely use it if you needed to use a drug that is 784 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,160 going to be taxing to the liver. So like anything, any steroid, 785 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,880 anything that ends with a Sone, Prednisone, dexamethasone, 786 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,640 Prednisolone, any of those are going to going to have a great 787 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,440 effect. They're going to work for 788 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,440 whatever that that prescribed it for, but the side effect is it's 789 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,640 going to constantly be damaging the liver. 790 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,760 So I'm going to use a drug like Remedil or Actigesic or any of 791 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,720 the prednisones. I'm absolutely always going to 792 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,640 keep them on milk Thistle at the same time to minimize any of the 793 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,400 toxic effects of, again, a necessary drug that that we need 794 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,320 for whatever reason. So one story comes to mind 795 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,120 again. It's my Charlie, a 13 year old, 796 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,160 but he was given a very, very common prescription for kennel 797 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:50,440 cough at the age of 1 1/2 and he went into liver failure 798 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560 immediately. And so he was hospitalized for 799 00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,040 13 days. And we felt the need to do that 800 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,960 because he was so young. And so he had that injury, he 801 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,120 pulled through, and that is when shortly after that I learned 802 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,800 about milk Thistle. And so that was another one of 803 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,240 the herbs that I started giving to him. 804 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,080 And then, as you know, time has gone on. 805 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,440 It's just something that I keep in circulation. 806 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,880 And I would say that takes us back to what Jessica said in the 807 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,000 very beginning is that when we need it, thank God that we have 808 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,960 it. Like in that scenario, you have 809 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,960 it in your stockpile at home for potential use down the road. 810 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,560 And thank God that we are in a fabulous society where we can 811 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,600 have this team of people that take care of our animals. 812 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,560 So it's your groomer, it's your veterinarian, it's your 813 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,840 orthopedic veterinarian, it's your holistic veterinarian. 814 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,280 You have all these wonderful people that can help to 815 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,120 contribute to your pet's health. And you don't have to have just 816 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,080 one person and that person's belief about any one thing. 817 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,160 We, as guardians for our pets, can help to make decisions, to 818 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,040 try to continually point them in the right direction, which 819 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,360 obviously you do a great job. Thank God they came to you for a 820 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,960 reason. Thank you. 821 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,160 Pam helped me recently with one of our we have a 15 year old 822 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,400 Maltipoo that we rescued years ago. 823 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,320 We went for. We believe that it happened when 824 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,920 we went for a walk in our neighborhood. 825 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,160 Very common in our neighborhood. And it was a short time later 826 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,520 that I I woke up in the morning and she looked like a burn 827 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,040 victim. She had licked and bitten and 828 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,080 scratched apparently all night long. 829 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,120 And she'd removed the hair from her hind quarters and under her 830 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,160 tail. And Pam did her what she does 831 00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,240 best and tested her and she came up positive for pesticides 832 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,920 among, you know, aluminum was another one. 833 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,960 But the the aluminum perplexes me because I haven't done shots 834 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,120 for my pets in some time and I constantly detox them. 835 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,360 So that one has me perplexed. However, the pesticides, that 836 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,600 one was really upsetting because, you know, we use 837 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,480 natural sprays in our, in our, she's a tiny dog. 838 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680 She's close to the ground, she steps in the grass, she steps in 839 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,720 the puddles. Like you were just explaining 840 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,720 that you were just saying. And so one of the things that 841 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,920 you know, Pam was recommending was she actually, it was a 842 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,360 different from milk Thistle because I always have milk 843 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,400 Thistle, but we did a tincture and so and we also did a 844 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,480 chemical binder and then the liver, you know, detox fire. 845 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,600 But and what I want to have you touch on, if you will, is like 846 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,240 yours or powders, sprinkle in the food. 847 00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,240 Most of them are odorless and tasteless. 848 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:03,440 I actually lick my dogs to make sure I'm except krill. 849 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,440 What chicken? I do not lick the krill, but 850 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,920 why? What was the choice behind 851 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,960 powders versus tinctures for you? 852 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,440 Yeah, I would say that tinctures are stronger. 853 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:23,040 So you have more of the active ingredient in a smaller volume, 854 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:28,280 so you get a lot more strength. I like the powder because the 855 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,600 powder is, as you said before, there's no fillers or anything 856 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,440 in it. It literally is the roots, the 857 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,280 barks, the berries that are ground up into a powder and then 858 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,440 mixed together. So you'd have the active 859 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,000 ingredients and the inactive ingredients. 860 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:48,000 And I think that that's part of why herbs are so non-toxic, how 861 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,840 they don't have nearly the amount of side effects that you 862 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,880 would have in a pharmaceutical. Because if you go with the 863 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,680 powder, you're going to have the cellulose from the from the 864 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,960 Berry and you're going to have other inactive ingredients of 865 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,840 the bark that's there to help as God's way or nature's way of 866 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,360 having a active ingredient that is going to affect the body, but 867 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,880 then also has the inactive ingredients to keep any of the 868 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,440 negative side effects. Down South in Chinese medicine, 869 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,040 you'd have this big pot of barks and berries and nuts and fruits 870 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,360 and you would, you would boil it and boil it and boil it and the 871 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,440 water would mist away. And then you'd fill up the pot 872 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,840 again and you'd boil it and you'd boil it and you'd boil it 873 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,520 and mist away, fill up the pot again, boil it and boil it and 874 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,120 boil it. And then that would be the 875 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:46,400 tincture that would be what the patient consumes or in our 876 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,000 environment that would be the tincture that is made and all of 877 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,560 the cellulose and the bark and the inactive ingredients are 878 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,240 basically just thrown in the garbage. 879 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,440 So tinctures are stronger, which are really great for cats 880 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,320 because you don't need as much. So here our powder that is the 881 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,960 whole teaspoon compared to a drop or two of a tincture. 882 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,640 The downfall to that is it's a little more specific, it's a 883 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,960 little less, it's a little stronger in that it has a 884 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,080 stronger taste. If you were going to have 885 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,520 negative side effects, you could tend to have more because you 886 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,840 have a stronger tincture than than what the powder is. 887 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,760 And that's why I like the powder is because I like it because to 888 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:39,000 me it's just like food. And why is food so non-toxic? 889 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,000 Food has active chemicals in it, active ingredients, but then it 890 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360 also has inactive ingredients as well. 891 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,120 And so you think of food as you know, beef and apples and then 892 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,640 you go ginger and cinnamon and licorice and then you get more 893 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,320 and more specific. And so using the powder, it's 894 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,200 more like whole food. So that's why I elected to do 895 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,520 it, especially in over the counter herb we're you think 896 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,040 that's exactly what it's going to be. 897 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:12,000 But I want to make sure that we do no harm that if you give any 898 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,560 one of the Herb Smith formulas to anybody and it's not the 899 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,680 correct formula, it's just not going to work. 900 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,200 That's better than causing a negative effect. 901 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,800 I'm glad you said that. Yeah. 902 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,520 So if it didn't, if it doesn't work, it doesn't resonate. 903 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,920 It's not the right application. Yeah, you think it would. 904 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,000 And logically it makes sense that it would be. 905 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,080 It'd be kind of like calm Shen in that fear, aggressive God, 906 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,400 the calm Shen is going to help because there is anxiety 907 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,800 involved with it, but it's not going to resolve it. 908 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,240 So then Janet would call me and I'd say, OK, we're going to use 909 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,800 Chahu longu muli Tong, and I will send you some of that. 910 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,600 And then you would use that and be like, wow, that was the 911 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,600 ticket that's going to make all the difference in the world I. 912 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,520 Guess that's the same as you know, CBD is wonderful as it is 913 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,920 when you get the right product because just like we said at the 914 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,920 beginning, there's so many supplements on the market, but 915 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,280 they are not created equal. And this is so true in the CBD 916 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,040 world. But CBD doesn't work for 100% of 917 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,840 the pets. But, and I had this recently 918 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,560 happened, I literally over the weekend a customer called and 919 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,600 texted me because she was about to board her plane and her 920 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,920 little dog was going ballistic at the airport and she couldn't 921 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,960 get him into the Kennelly wouldn't stand the Kennelly was 922 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,520 barking crazy and she didn't have CBD with her. 923 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,760 And I said, go find a store in the airport that sells essential 924 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,240 oils and get lavender if they have it and try that. 925 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,640 Put it in the ear flap. And she called me, I think 30 926 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,040 minutes later and she's like, you will never believe I found 927 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,240 some. I put it in the ear flap. 928 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,280 And Oh my God, she goes, thank you so much. 929 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,200 He's in his kennel. He is knocked out. 930 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,800 That's what a great story. It was and I cannot make that up 931 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,320 and it she put it like all over his bed. 932 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,960 And I was like, OK, don't overdo it. 933 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,760 Yeah, you're getting. Of his life. 934 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,880 I don't know how the people on the plane would can stand you 935 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,200 with so much lavender, but I think your story about if it 936 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,920 doesn't work, it's not right for that pet and that that can be 937 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,760 applied to so many things. And I, and I love that idea 938 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,080 because if the first herb that as a herbalist, the first herb 939 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,960 that I pick that makes logical sense to me doesn't work, that 940 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,600 gives me some really valuable information, then I'm like, 941 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,320 well, it's not what I was thinking. 942 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,400 I need to go back and re evaluate and think of some other 943 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,520 possibilities behind that. And that's really in my bedroom 944 00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,720 practice that helped me really refine my craft and really 945 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,800 understand which were the best herbs that worked the best by by 946 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,080 seeing what happened and based on what happened. 947 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,160 Help me decide where I should go. 948 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,240 And I would say that because herbs and because food is so 949 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:22,440 gentle but effective, you have to be a little smarter about it. 950 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,440 You know, anybody can throw steroids at something. 951 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,600 Yeah. And steroids will make everybody 952 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,960 feel better for a short time. Yes. 953 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,000 Without a question. That dog's in. 954 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,160 Stop itching, and it's going to look great. 955 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,520 And then two weeks later, they're peeing all over the 956 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,400 house. They're panting like crazy. 957 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,280 They have all the negative side effects and unfortunately as a 958 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,880 society we love that because it's very quick, like just stop 959 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,360 him from doing that. But in the long run, it's much 960 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,560 worse than if they had taken the time to get the right food and 961 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,640 the right herbs and and everything else that's more 962 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,040 gentle first. Again, going the most gentle to 963 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,840 the most extreme. Do you recommend using herbs 964 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,720 while they're on something like that? 965 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,480 Like a steroid or an antibiotic? Yeah, absolutely. 966 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,640 Like I feel again back to the we have a team of people that are 967 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,760 helping with us with our pets. The majority of herbs are 968 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,880 perfectly fine with any pharmaceutical. 969 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,920 And I would tell you that every single day I get calls from 970 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,880 different stores and pet parents saying my dog is on XY and Z and 971 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,600 is it OK to use this, that and the other. 972 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400 And I would absolutely reassure them that yes, there's 973 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,360 absolutely nothing that could correlate or could have negative 974 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,320 interaction. There are some herbs that do 975 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,080 have negative interactions and those are the ones that are more 976 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,400 on the drug side, that are more by prescription only, that you 977 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,720 need a licensed professional that has a client patient 978 01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,880 relationship with that dog to know if it's worthy of using 979 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,800 that herb. That's a good, good 980 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,080 differentiation there. So I have one more question in 981 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:15,760 my onslaught or questions, OK. And it's about pet parents who 982 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,720 are just starting to dip their feet into the, the, you know, 983 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:24,440 herbal realm because you and you've, you, what you've said is 984 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,000 just, it's been a perfect segue with each question because you 985 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,600 just mentioned how we're so accustomed in Western 986 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,640 civilization to we have a problem and we go to the doctor 987 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,960 and we're given a prescription and it boom, you know, you have 988 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,920 a headache, it's gone. You have anxiety, you take this 989 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,680 and it's gone. You start itching or have a 990 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,760 breakout, put this on and it's gone. 991 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,000 So the quick this question centers around a typical time 992 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,200 frame that pet parents should expect to start seeing results. 993 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,240 And I know that's different based on like, for example, we 994 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,640 talked about the gut earlier and how important that is for 995 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,000 well-being. You know, we have to have a 996 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,120 healthy gut to have a healthy pet or a healthy human. 997 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,640 So, you know, typical time frame for a couple of different common 998 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,320 herbs like pre and probiotic or milk Thistle to support liver. 999 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,960 And the second part of that question is, is there a loading 1000 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:24,360 dose and OK, so. There definitely can be a 1001 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,600 loading dose and the loading dose would be double your 1002 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,280 maintenance dose. So when you look at herbs Smith 1003 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,080 product, it's the maintenance dose is always listed. 1004 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,400 So you could double it for the first two weeks OK to get the 1005 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,360 effect, but. Good to know. 1006 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,840 There are some herbs that are really quick acting but they're 1007 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,480 a much smaller amount so comfort aches. 1008 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,800 I don't know if you carry that one. 1009 01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,880 I did. I mean like that. 1010 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,360 That herb formula is so fast you can give it and with two hours 1011 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,000 later your dog will move better than they did before. 1012 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,840 Now is that a double like a loading dose or is that the 1013 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,720 maintenance dose? Even just the maintenance dose 1014 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,760 has a really, really quick effect and why is it It's pain 1015 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,920 relieving an anti-inflammatory and so it has a really fast 1016 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,240 effect. The majority of herbs, I would 1017 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:22,400 say 70% of herbs are in that four to six week time period. 1018 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,080 That was a gentle persuasion in the right direction. 1019 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,240 And my first question, when somebody says it doesn't work, 1020 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,600 yes, yes, is how long did you do it? 1021 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,440 Didn't do it because we're not used to having to do it for six 1022 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,880 weeks before we see a difference. 1023 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,080 We take a pill and it should be better the next day. 1024 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,680 So they gave a herb pill and said, well, it's not any better. 1025 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,680 He's still itching. Yeah, it's going to take four to 1026 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,240 six weeks because it took a long time to get to that point. 1027 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,720 Takes a long time to bring it back. 1028 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,600 And then the last 20% are ones that you might be on their whole 1029 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,240 lives. And that one would be say, for 1030 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,960 example, a kidney tonic and a kidney herb is kidney disease 1031 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,080 could happen very quickly if they got exposed to antifreeze 1032 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,640 or something like that. But generally speaking, the 1033 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:21,280 majority of kidney disease is a slow, gradual process and that 1034 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,800 it's been going on for quite some time before it gets to the 1035 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,440 point that the kidney can't properly remove the toxins from 1036 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,560 the blood. And because it took so long to 1037 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,520 take effect, it's going to take a long time to get them better. 1038 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,360 And they might be on it for for the rest of their lives. 1039 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:44,240 Seizure seizure herbs work amazingly well to raise the 1040 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,400 seizure threshold so that they're less likely to go into a 1041 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,880 seizure, but it's also the sort of herb that they're going to 1042 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,960 use probably for the rest of their lives. 1043 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:57,880 So every every herb has its own indications, but generally 1044 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,200 speaking, most herbs are that four to six week time period. 1045 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,040 If after four to six weeks, they say, I think he's doing better, 1046 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,520 the itch is a little less that says keep going. 1047 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,520 You're right, you're on right track. 1048 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,620 If there's absolutely no effect at all, I personally would re 1049 01:06:15,620 --> 01:06:19,200 evaluate and see whether I needed something else that that 1050 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,400 that was just not strong enough for them. 1051 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,080 And then the beauty of herbs is you can do the same thing when 1052 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,320 you're taking them off of it. So let's say you have a pet 1053 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,000 parent that comes to you and they're their dog has been on 1054 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,480 commshen for they started at two years of age and now they're six 1055 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,000 and they're Labrador. So at six they can say, well, 1056 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,160 you know, he's been doing great. Do I still need to use these 1057 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,600 herbs? I would say, let's try taking 1058 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,760 him off and see what happens. And if in the next six weeks 1059 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,000 none of the anxiety comes back, great. 1060 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,920 He doesn't need it anymore. If he, if it does start to come 1061 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,400 back, it'll come back really slow and then gradually amp up. 1062 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,560 It's not like a pharmaceutical where you give it an immediate 1063 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,880 like as soon as you stop Prednisone or if your patience 1064 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,680 is going to come back within 12 hours. 1065 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,800 It's not like that. It'll it takes a while to take 1066 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,880 effect. It also takes a while to go 1067 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,080 away. That's and occasionally you get 1068 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,400 people who go see it didn't work. 1069 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:23,560 I'm like, no, it works so good. You need to keep him on it 1070 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,560 longer and it doesn't necessarily mean for the rest of 1071 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,240 their lives, but at least longer. 1072 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,000 And I, and I would say that goes back to some of the original 1073 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,200 things that we had talked about how the needs of a puppy and a 1074 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,920 young dog are different than the needs of a middle-aged dog and 1075 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,760 are very different than the needs of a senior dog. 1076 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,800 And what what you see is a young, vibrant, healthy puppy is 1077 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,120 massively growing and developing. 1078 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,960 Like one week you look at them, you're like, you're so much 1079 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,680 bigger than you were last week. Well, that's all chi, you know, 1080 01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,640 that's all vital energy that is building this amazing body. 1081 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,600 And then as they get to kind of middle age, that slows down. 1082 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,400 South chi starts to decrease. When we get old, now our chi is 1083 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,280 really decreased. So now our own endogenous 1084 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,479 production of antioxidants goes down, our own endogenous 1085 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,880 production of Omega threes go down. 1086 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,000 So now we have to put that senior pet. 1087 01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:28,760 That senior pet needs to have more dietary antioxidants than 1088 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,680 they had before because now their body isn't producing as 1089 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,439 much as they had in the past. So we see the way that we 1090 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,760 supplement a older pet is very different than the way that we 1091 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,000 would supplement a young. Interesting. 1092 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,800 Thank you so much for answering all those questions. 1093 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,040 That was awesome. It all flowed. 1094 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,160 It was good. It did. 1095 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,920 Hold on. Did you put anything you wanted 1096 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,840 to follow up with Pam? No. 1097 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,680 I think you covered so much. Yeah. 1098 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,560 Right. It was great. 1099 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,560 You know, everybody always asks, is there one magic herb? 1100 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,399 Yeah. And there really isn't. 1101 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,600 And it's not that I'm being evasive, just just a different 1102 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,479 herbs are like, I like lasagna or tacos. 1103 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,880 It's always in combination, so you always have the least would 1104 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,319 be two herbs, the most would be 1015 herbs. 1105 01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:25,840 But generally speaking, most Chinese herbal formulas have 6 1106 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,120 to 8 different herbs in it, and all those herbs work in synergy 1107 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,200 to cause and effect. And that's how it works versus a 1108 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:39,279 single pharmaceutical. They're taking say ginseng and 1109 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,080 they're pulling out the ginsenicide, the the active 1110 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,080 ingredient of ginseng and putting it into a pill. 1111 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,560 And then you take that pill and you get a really fast effect, 1112 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,760 but you get all the negative side effects as well because you 1113 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,920 pulled out all the good stuff, the negative side effects. 1114 01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,440 And so if when you're doing a formula, there's always a main 1115 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,320 herb and then a secondary and 3rd herb, which are kind of 1116 01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,480 assistance. And then you have herbs that are 1117 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,040 in there to detoxify some of the negative effects of the primary 1118 01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,520 herbs. And then you have some that 1119 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,880 aren't just treating a secondary symptom from the primary 1120 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,680 condition. So every Chinese formula is 1121 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,240 always going to have a list of herbs. 1122 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,680 And now it's not so simple to just say, what is that one herb? 1123 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,400 Yeah. So what is your favorite herb 1124 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,880 for? We should do like 10 fast 1125 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,280 questions like they do on the the late night show. 1126 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,560 What's your favorite go to herb for allergies? 1127 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,200 A clear allergy which is also called Gentian relief allergy 1128 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:57,720 and the main herbal formula is called Longdan Gigante and it's 1129 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,160 all about decreasing heat and inflammation. 1130 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,080 OK. How do you feel about goat milk 1131 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,600 versus microflora? I think there. 1132 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,280 I don't want to hear this. I don't want to hear this. 1133 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,240 No, no, we're not going there. Why not Jessica? 1134 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,280 Because goat milk is my Holy Grail. 1135 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,280 I don't want to hear anything. I never say anything negative. 1136 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,720 I do both like food. It's one more like should we 1137 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,240 have variety? Absolutely. 1138 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,280 We should always have variety. And so we should be getting 1139 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,800 probiotics, prebiotics from all different sources in the world, 1140 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,960 not just from one. Yeah, I agree. 1141 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:42,000 Yeah, so I I'm doing both currently, but I rotate the goat 1142 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,480 milk in and out. Yep. 1143 01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:46,280 But I'm I'm pretty religious with the microflora. 1144 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,200 That's fabulous. I love it. 1145 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,200 That's awesome. All right. 1146 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,080 Thank you again. Yes, my goodness, thank you so 1147 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,920 much. I think, I mean, herbs are such 1148 01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,200 a huge topic and you could tell us so much better than I could 1149 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,040 tell you, but I'm just going to throw it out there that 1150 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,240 literally people spend their whole lives learning Chinese 1151 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:11,080 medicine and herbs are herbs are a really big part of that. 1152 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:16,120 And as you have said so many times that like it isn't exact. 1153 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,640 It is very, it reminded me a lot of homeopathy the way you were 1154 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,960 describing, like we'll try this, but it may not be exactly what, 1155 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:27,080 you know, matching the symptoms of this particular animal. 1156 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,120 And, and I people, I think people spend many, many, many 1157 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,000 years studying homeopathy as well, because it is so 1158 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,520 individualized. And so there's, there's a lot to 1159 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,080 be unpacked there. But getting people having the 1160 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,200 Herb Smith line, especially like the ones that you have available 1161 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,400 for people like Janet to have in their storefronts to having that 1162 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,680 really accessible with pet parents is incredible. 1163 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,360 And we want to thank you for that. 1164 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:59,120 Thank you so much and thank you for all your time and and your 1165 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,840 your heart for pets and pet parent. 1166 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,440 Thank you so much. That's great. 1167 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,240 All right guys, if you want to learn any more about Doctor 1168 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,080 Chris Besson, any of the product lines, she has Herb Smith, 1169 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,800 Medicus and Simple Food Project. They will all be listed in the 1170 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,520 show notes. And of course, you can always 1171 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,440 reach out to myself, Pam or Janet on any of the socials if 1172 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:26,760 you have more questions. Need more help and thank you 1173 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,800 again Doctor Besson for being here with us. 1174 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,040 Absolutely. Thank you so much. 1175 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,400 Thank you, Merry. Christmas.