1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,640 For you guys who are joining us who are like, wait, where's 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,160 Isabel? This is Lauren with Girls Gone 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,920 Run. Her vacation 7 I'm. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,360 Really excited to have you come on and continue this 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,160 conversation on green washing in the pet industry because I mean, 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,120 I think it's always a good idea to like, just get different 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,640 people doing different things within the pet industry and 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,560 their viewpoints because so like with Isabel, you know, she's a 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:35,480 journalist and Blogger. So but you actually like work 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,720 and you do this is what you do all day long as you make things 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,360 for pets. So you. 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,160 Yeah, did you? So you, you do like all day 13 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:50,040 long. This is what you do. 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,920 You make things for pets to consume. 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,520 And so I think it's a good continuation of this 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,000 conversation to have your input on like what you're seeing 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,680 because last time I just like I went through a list of terms 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,760 basically. So guys, you can go check that 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,120 that out. We don't need to go through the 20 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:16,080 the whole list again, but a list of terms that are just like not 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,680 either not regulated or very loosely regulated. 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:25,240 And I think it's it's very deceptive to the pet parent who 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,320 is trying to do better. For their pet. 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,680 And that was me. That's how I got here is because 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,840 I my dogs had cancer. And I just wanted to find 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,880 something that I could trust. You know what I mean? 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Like everything had all of these ingredients that just they 28 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,160 didn't need. And I didn't understand it. 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,560 I was just trying to control everything. 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,200 So I got sick of it. I've been working in the pet 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,920 food industry. I've been working in pet stores 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,920 and everything all across the board. 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,000 And it'd be like real jerky, but with glycerin and smoked flavor. 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,000 I'm like, I don't want smoked flavor. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,440 I just want meat. And that's kind of how like the 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,240 very baseline of how I got started. 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,360 Yeah. I'm hearing an echo of myself, 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,560 by the way. Does that mean anything? 39 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Are you? I am a little bit. 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,720 That's OK, but I tell people and like I did the Expo this 41 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,120 weekend, like I was saying, and I get to talk to a lot of people 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,600 with that that aren't my normal customer and I think through 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Instagram and stuff like that. I get that kind of two point O 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,960 pet parent and I get the people that have done the research 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,160 already and that's kind of how they found a very weird kind of 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,360 niche brand like myself. And it's it's hard because a lot 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,680 of people are like, I'm sorry, what does that have a face? 48 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,600 And I'm like, yes, let me tell you why. 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:06,160 And I did have that conversation a lot because in my realm, I'm 50 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,280 not even required to tell you a lot of what's in most of my 51 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,600 treats. So there's an exemption across 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,680 the USI think Washington is the only one that decided they 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,120 weren't going to hold to that. And with choose, there's no 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,960 requirement to do any testing or list ingredients. 55 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:30,000 And that's where all the sketchy stuff comes in. 56 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,880 That's where like the the rawhides, they don't have to 57 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,680 really tell you everything that's in it. 58 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,400 And, and that's where you get that formaldehyde and, and the 59 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,880 really sketchy products. So I tell people a lot I'm like, 60 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,800 I really try to be extra clear because I'm trying to bring in 61 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,120 people who have very sensitive dogs or even just the people 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,360 that want to be more educated about it. 63 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,640 And I almost consider myself like an advocate for the average 64 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,640 pet parent because I think a lot in our industry, we're so 65 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,640 concerned about doing everything perfectly. 66 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,800 And we have to keep in mind that most people see that and they're 67 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,960 scared off. There's a lot of like negative 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,120 tactics, but like never do this, these things never to do for 69 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,560 your dog. Don't feed cold food, don't feed 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,320 dry food. And I'm like, try not to do if 71 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,160 you can, you know what I mean? But that isolates a lot of 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,480 people. And I think that pet food 73 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,720 labeling and pet treat labeling and everything in the pet 74 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,200 supplement, whatever, that's where the green washing really 75 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,280 pisses me off because that preys on the people that just don't 76 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:44,560 really know. And especially through our 77 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,720 platforms, we get to see the people that do know better a 78 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,120 little bit. And that leaves behind a really 79 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,400 big group of people. And those people, I start to 80 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,120 tell them some of these things and they're like, you know what 81 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,920 I mean? And I'm like, it's really 82 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,760 sketchy. Well, I mean, I actually want to 83 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,040 go back to the first thing you said you were like. 84 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,240 It's like diatribe there, but. No, like you said, people are 85 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,560 like, wait, that has a face on it like and I think that 86 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,520 actually fundamentally is the issue. 87 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,200 The issue is that we are so far removed from our food sourcing 88 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:33,280 that we think the most natural things for us and our pets to 89 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:39,760 eat are weird and wrong. And that is where these 90 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:46,840 companies really get to like jump in and prey on that lack of 91 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,400 of knowing and understanding and connection to our food sourcing 92 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,280 and say, no, this is the best thing for, you know, that's the 93 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,880 best thing for you. Because we are so disconnected. 94 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:03,000 We don't know. Yeah, so that's one of my 95 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,440 favorite things right now is like people are trying to do 96 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,680 better, right. And especially with pet obesity, 97 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,800 they say like, no people food, no table scraps. 98 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,720 OK. And then they're like, yeah, 99 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,080 they're very proud of it. They're like, and we do no table 100 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 scraps, no people food. I'm like, what's people food and 101 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,360 what's food? Yeah, you know what I mean? 102 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,640 That's that's the question I put out there. 103 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,240 And they're like, and I'm like, yeah, don't feed your dog. 104 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,480 Maybe BBQ grilled chicken or or like the trimmings and like 105 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,920 maybe a sauced up super salty steak, but like it's a blueberry 106 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,160 people food. Or is that just food? 107 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:50,720 Sweet potato, chicken, tallow, ghee, things like that. 108 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,040 Those are just food. And you should be getting your 109 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,840 dogs that. And honestly, by not giving your 110 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,880 dogs people food, you're doing them a disservice. 111 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:01,000 But we've scared them away and like, I don't want people to 112 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,000 have obese dogs. I don't want to say like give 113 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,920 your dog scraps and then like, you know what I mean? 114 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,320 I'd rather your dog be healthy. But I think we're doing that to 115 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,560 service by scaring people away from just food. 116 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:19,280 And and that's I think how I don't know if it's veterinary or 117 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,040 if it's just I don't. Know. 118 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Where the root of that is or how to address that but. 119 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:35,280 So I think ultimately AFCO is AFCO is there to take waste, 120 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,400 industrial waste and waste from the human food industry and find 121 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,920 A use for it. And so they put it into pet 122 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,760 food. And so these are the people that 123 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:55,840 are educating veterinarians. And if you are honest about 124 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,840 what's in that packaging of feed, let's let's be real, it's 125 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,000 not food, it's feed. Generally speaking, there are 126 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,520 foods out there, but a lot of what we're talking about is feed 127 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,640 if you're honest about it, but people won't buy it, right? 128 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,800 So they thought. They were honest about it. 129 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,480 Dogs wouldn't eat it. That's why they have to disguise 130 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,400 it. You know what I mean? 131 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,800 Yeah, I know, I know. It's AFCO is such A and I was 132 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,080 just listening to your previous episode too, trying to catch up 133 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,320 and it is. It's such a sick I I like that 134 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,799 they have a basis so that our dogs aren't eating grossly 135 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,919 unbalanced food, but the corruption behind it, Like it's 136 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,320 good in theory to have those requirements. 137 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,160 I'm glad people aren't cheating and and killing our dogs. 138 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,360 But it is and, and I do understand nobody likes waste 139 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:58,720 and I like the general idea of reap purposing waste. 140 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,360 I mean, I go to butchers and I buy what they would normally 141 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,560 send out to rendering plants, some of it. 142 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,400 So like I have to have a special rendering license to be able to 143 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,200 go buy fresh beef ears, tracheas, skins. 144 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,680 The only human grade products that I buy are like my Gerber 145 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:20,600 organic chicken. My Culver duck is items that 146 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,960 would normally go to Asian markets and those are all human 147 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,320 grade. Most of the stuff I buy that 148 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,960 would be considered feed. And so that's kind of the line 149 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,680 that I walk that I'm like, that's not that I'm buying 150 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,760 trash, but I think it gets a disservice to let those things 151 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,080 go to waste. But then when you're talking 152 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,360 about, yeah, the fry oil, the rotten grocery store products 153 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:52,000 with their foam trays, deceased pets with their harnesses and 154 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,160 collars, you know what I mean? It's that maybe can be wasted 155 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,040 and that. Well, yeah. 156 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,120 Well, I think, you know, the answer probably really lies in 157 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,840 returning to regenerative farming so that there isn't all 158 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,120 of this waste. But that's a whole other. 159 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,640 That's a whole other thing that we. 160 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Don't have you seen the lunatic farmer? 161 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,720 No, I haven't. I, I haven't watched it yet. 162 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,840 It's Joel. I can't remember if it's Joe or 163 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Joel Salatin, but he is a amazing regenerative farmer. 164 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,000 I'm nuts about him right now. And I'm hoping that he gets more 165 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,440 of a voice this year with everything. 166 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,360 But we can talk about that on the, the other side of things. 167 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,480 But that really is the answer. I mean, there's so many of these 168 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,760 farms that I work with that they're like, Oh my God, you'll 169 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,920 buy the heads and necks and that's amazing. 170 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,720 And these are your organic pasture raise. 171 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,320 You're not even certified organic. 172 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,040 It's hard for these little farms to get certified organic, but 173 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,880 you're humane pasture raised animals and things like that. 174 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,600 I have a really cool farm up by us called T Hills that I get 175 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,560 chicken from and we have a really cool relationship with 176 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:05,120 them and just these companies where I can buy their extras. 177 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,040 And I always tell people all the time, it's, it's such an ironic 178 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,040 thing that I was a vegetarian for a really solid time because 179 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,560 now I sling body parts for a living. 180 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,360 And I just think it's really humane to use the entire animal 181 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,280 because there's so many nutrients and things like that. 182 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,320 But then they get away with rawhide and some of these other 183 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,280 really gross byproducts that I'm like, it's not really the same. 184 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,360 It no, it is not at all well, OK. 185 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,920 So just to kind of go back a little bit, some of the well, 186 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:48,560 one of the things I remember seeing this in the the new was a 187 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,080 new product showcase at Super Zoo a few years ago. 188 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,280 It was a kibble, but it was called holistic. 189 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,160 And I'm like, that's an oxymoron. 190 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,680 Like what? Yeah, well, that's a. 191 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:17,760 So holistic veterinarian approved even through my like 192 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,400 wording rules. Here I have the whole list. 193 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,840 I think there's there's absolutely no requirements and 194 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,280 there's no definition in pet food for the word holistic, 195 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,680 which is so annoying because that's such a powerful word. 196 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,120 To me, that means a lot and that's something that I live by. 197 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,880 I have AI feel like I try to live a holistic lifestyle in 198 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,840 general, you know what I mean? Like supporting the body from 199 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:46,520 the root up and it's just slung a lot like slung around like a 200 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,600 bag of rocks these days I feel like. 201 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Is there's no legal definition for holistic premium? 202 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,360 Veterinarian approved is unregulated. 203 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:04,480 Hypoallergenic is unregulated. Non-toxic is unregulated and 204 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,800 superfood is unregulated. Good, Yeah. 205 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Yeah. Can you, I mean that's. 206 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,320 Hard and, and I mean, I even have to think about marketing 207 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,840 because I, I have bills to pay. Buzzwords are buzzwords. 208 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,320 But The thing is, like when I say superfoods, I'm I'm using 209 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,120 cranberries and organic parsley and thyme and organic lion's 210 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,640 mane mushroom and oh, I mean, what is it? 211 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,600 Blue Buffalo with their life source. 212 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Bits. Well, that's exact source. 213 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,840 Bits. What are that is sourcing life? 214 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,160 What where where my mind went was not OK. 215 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Yes, blueberries, cranberries, mushrooms, whatever. 216 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Those are super foods, OK? There's no legal definition for 217 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,320 them or a definition through AFCO for them, but we all kind 218 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,440 of understand them to be super foods. 219 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,360 And I don't think that's necessarily something I would 220 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,880 debate on a packaging, but I would debate the sourcing and 221 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,200 the quality of that product and also the percentage of what's in 222 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,160 that product. Because you you're going to see 223 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,840 on the front of the label all of that, almost all of that is 224 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,280 marketing on a pet food label. So you might see a huge heaping 225 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,720 of cranberries or blueberries alongside a beautiful chicken 226 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,360 breast. But when you're reading, if you 227 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,560 actually read the ingredient label, it's going to be listed 228 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,440 after salt, right? There's like. 229 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,680 Less than 1 blueberry in the entire 50 LB bag. 230 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,640 Yeah, I know. Like. 231 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,240 How deceptive. Is so hard I get so frustrated 232 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,320 for my pet owners that buy these products and they're like, yeah, 233 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:57,720 we do the the lamb and rice 1 and it uses like 100% lamb meal 234 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,560 as the first ingredient and like we, we looked we read the label, 235 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,960 we made sure that lamb was the first one. 236 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,880 I'm like you did, you did your best, you know what I mean? 237 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,560 And like I'm so sorry that the industry is not honest but 238 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,040 you're getting scammed. Like anything with food coloring 239 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,720 in the pet food industry is literally there just to make an 240 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,120 idiot of you. Your dog is brown. 241 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,480 Right. It's there for the humans to be 242 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,320 like, oh, look at all these pretty colors. 243 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,560 It must have fruits and vegetables in it because of 244 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,320 these colors, when that's not. The gravy peas and the orange 245 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,120 carrots and the red meat chunks. And yeah, it happens to be all 246 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,360 those colors that end up being brown for our dogs anyway. 247 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,120 So that's just, yeah, like I said, it's like, I almost feel 248 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,040 like I have to be an advocate for the, the normal person 249 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,480 because it's, you should be furious about that. 250 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,720 Like if somebody came up to you and like lied to your face, 251 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,840 you'd be offended. And it's, it's 100% all, all of 252 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,720 the health washing in the pet industry is just praying on the 253 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,120 ignorance of the average person. And that makes me want to light 254 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,720 something on fire. Like that makes me want to flip 255 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,880 a car. I can't, you know, because I'm, 256 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,360 but it's, I, I say all the time, I'm so lucky to be part of an 257 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,400 industry that's founded in integrity. 258 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,960 You know, like I never trust the integrity of Rita Hogan, of Judy 259 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Morgan, of people like that because you know that they're 260 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:32,080 out there just to be honest and to be open and to promote the 261 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,320 brands that are being honest and open and are actually there to 262 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,880 increase the longevity and health span of our pets. 90% of 263 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,760 the industry is not 90% of the industry is there because they 264 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,000 know it's a billion dollar industry and and we have to try 265 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,240 to help people fight around that. 266 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,080 And so, yeah, that's why it's it's it's like the low calorie 267 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,920 in the human industry, but it's loaded with preservatives that 268 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,080 are just pickling you from head to toe. 269 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,200 And I'm like. Or the sugar for free and diet 270 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,640 that. I literally cringe when I see 271 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,000 that anymore. I'm like, that is so much worse 272 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,760 for you than if you just ate the regular stuff or drank the 273 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,560 regular stuff like. Please stop doing this. 274 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,319 Please stop. And it's, it's OK to have happy 275 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:20,520 mediums like I love. I, you know, we all need a treat 276 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,319 sometimes too. Like I give my dog pups pup cups 277 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,359 at Starbucks. That's my, that's my thing. 278 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,320 Some people would tell me that I am absolutely poisoning my dogs 279 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,560 with that. And I'm like, we need to be 280 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,120 humble. My dogs eat like raw, whole prey 281 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,160 rabbits like seven days a week. You know what I mean? 282 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,720 Like 1 pop cup is it's yeah, should they have it? 283 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,120 No, but it is what it is. One glass of wine is not going 284 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:48,160 to kill me. And I think that that's 285 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,760 something too that I'm realizing about our industry. 286 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,880 And I love podcasts like yours and things like that. 287 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,680 But there's some people out there that are like, never feed 288 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,760 kibble. And I'm like, this is a really 289 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,600 hard time for people. Like, if that's what you can 290 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,800 afford, I'm going to immediately unfollow you if I feel shamed 291 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,560 and and your budget is what it is. 292 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Do the best that you can with that and giving people the tools 293 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,920 to sort through the bullshit and find sorry bull, you know, and 294 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,560 find the good things out there and to, you know, learn how to 295 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,080 read the packaging. It's it's a good tool. 296 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,240 It's like teaching them to fish instead of giving them fish kind 297 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,880 of deal. Yeah, I, I have to admit that 298 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,600 like my it's so hard to get people's attention on social 299 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,000 media anymore that like that first 3 second hook. 300 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,040 Oh yeah. Can't like I do, I do try to be 301 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,600 a little bit more controversial in that first 3 second hook to 302 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,480 get people's attention. And then I'm like, but then I 303 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,760 try to walk it back a little and I'm like, let's try not to or 304 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:05,040 don't feed all kibble or, you know, like I want to be 305 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,120 inclusive, but I also need to get your attention. 306 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:10,600 And I think there's a, there's a line, and it's hard to figure 307 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,400 out where that line is for because it's not going to. 308 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,920 Be a good job with that. It's not going to be. 309 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,920 A lot of people don't. For everybody, Yeah, well, a lot 310 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,240 of. People don't work it back. 311 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:26,080 Yeah, I mean, I, I, I would love for people to not have to feed 312 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,800 kibble. I do understand that. 313 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,880 I would rather have a dog in a home eating a kibble diet and 314 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,600 that pet parent ultimately learn to add some toppers or whatever, 315 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,840 then that pat that pet sit in a shelter their whole life or get 316 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,320 euthanized from sitting in a shelter for too long. 317 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,960 That's absolutely where I'm at. Yeah. 318 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:56,360 And what I get some people to also is instead of spending all 319 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:00,480 your money on a very top end kibble, because in the end they 320 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,200 all have pretty high carbs, they're all going to have those 321 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,680 ages and the things that result from very high temperature 322 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,000 processing. And it is kind of what it is. 323 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:15,120 I'd rather you feed a mid range affordable food and add toppers. 324 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,760 So a lot of what I talked about this weekend, because these are 325 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,760 a lot of rural people, they're doing their best. 326 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,920 They're kind of blue collar and find a local butcher that does 327 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,640 maybe a dog blend, which often has like heart meat and some 328 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,880 trim or like liver and things like that. 329 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,560 I'd rather you feed a lower quality kibble, which is painful 330 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,480 to say, you know, because I know how low low it can get. 331 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,760 But something like Neutro and then add fresh meats to that, 332 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,560 add some local chicken eggs, add things like my products or bone 333 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,520 broth. And then maybe from there they 334 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,920 start to learn and they look at their own diet and they look at 335 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,480 everything around that. And yeah, I feel like because I 336 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,040 also started out, I mean, I, I got accused of the beginning of 337 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,640 kibble shaming in a lot of my videos. 338 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,640 And I was like, oh, I don't want to do that. 339 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,920 Sorry. I was just trying to get shares. 340 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,120 I don't know. You know, we're we're just out 341 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,720 here fighting for whatever little piece of the algorithm we 342 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,320 can get. And because we also are normal 343 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,760 people with bills to pay and dogs to feed. 344 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,480 And I'm really lucky that I've gotten to partner with some of 345 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,000 these amazing brands. But like, it's expensive 346 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,880 sometimes unless you have a lot of time and resources. 347 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,800 And especially for people wanting to get to raw feeding, 348 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,840 and they're like, yeah, I'm going to go into 100%, you know, 349 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,280 we're going to make our own raw. I'm like, you're going to burn 350 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,640 yourself out. It could be really intimidating, 351 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,840 you know, or you see all these beautiful bowls on the Internet 352 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,920 and you start feeling like you have to do that. 353 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000 And that's why I feel like I've kind of humbled myself. 354 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,400 Every once in my life made a beautiful bowl. 355 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,840 I'll do it for like, I'll do it for like Easter or like, you 356 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,680 know. I did like a like a charcuterie 357 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,400 board almost one, one year for her birthday, I did where it was 358 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,360 like I did all these different like prime rib and scrambled egg 359 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,760 and blueberry, you know, I did all the things. 360 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,200 And so it was interesting to see, like, what she went for 361 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720 first, but like, that was one time. 362 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,400 Yeah, I know. Should we like normalize messy 363 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,360 bowls? I know. 364 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:28,360 I have so many of my customers and followers tagged me and he's 365 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,120 like outrageous bowls. And I'm like, good for you. 366 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,120 My dogs ate today, right? Half the time my dogs get 367 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,720 whatever I'm making that day and I'll throw them a rabbit leg or 368 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,240 a quarter or something like that. 369 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160 And then we bounce it out at the end of the day with the the 370 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,400 doctor Harvey's. But yeah, it's, it's just, I 371 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,680 just feel especially going at the Super Zoo now and, and 372 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,800 seeing just everything is exploding. 373 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,640 Everybody's got a CBD, everybody's got a supplement 374 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,320 every you know what I mean? Everybody's got probiotics. 375 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,120 Everybody's got and that's another thing. 376 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,760 Everybody's got a kibble. Yeah, I, I really, I really 377 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,960 appreciate the brands that have not expanded into a kibble. 378 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:20,200 I, I think that's hard for because you, you know, you're 379 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,400 leaving money on the table, right? 380 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,840 As a, as a brand owner, I think that can be hard for people as 381 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,960 they grow. But, and so I really respect and 382 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,240 appreciate the ones that are not doing that. 383 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,880 They're like, no, this is what we do. 384 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,680 We do fresh food and it's OK if our customer base is smaller. 385 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,200 We're. Stay in your lane. 386 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,040 I very much appreciate that very, very much. 387 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,360 Well, when I look at brands like Green Juju and Solutions, I'm 388 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,320 like, they are by all means going against what might sell 389 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,160 more. I mean, that is a very top notch 390 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,040 product and they could make a lot more money on that if they 391 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,640 cut some more corners. But I think that by going that 392 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,760 whole, whole food route, you've created these foods that people, 393 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,400 like I said, it has like innate integrity. 394 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,200 Like you look at that food and you're like, there is no scam. 395 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,720 And that you can't hide anything behind an ingredient label 396 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,640 that's beef heart, kelp and beef, you know what I mean? 397 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,360 And so it's really, really, really nice to see brands like 398 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:33,480 that growing and succeeding in the industry because I do, I get 399 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,280 a lot of pressure. They're like, well, you need to 400 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,640 cut your quality down a little bit or like you need to, you 401 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,800 need to be realistic to be able to make more money on this. 402 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:48,440 I'm like, no, right, yeah, I don't make a lot of money on 403 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,160 like my rabbit meat products, but that's because I choose to 404 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,560 work with a really wonderful organic rabbit farmer in, you 405 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,440 know, an Amish farmer. And that's the quality I expect. 406 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,240 And I love the relationship that we have. 407 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,360 And, and so it's just going to be one of those things. 408 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,440 We'll try to balance it out in other ways, but it's it is 409 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,200 there's a lot of push for that, especially from the people that 410 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040 don't get it. And I think that that's where 411 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,880 you see vision driven versus money driven businesses 412 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,520 separating up. Well, I and you have to make 413 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,000 funny. You can't stay in business if 414 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,600 you're not making money. So it's. 415 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,400 Yeah. But you know, is your growth 416 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,960 focused on like for me, my growth and my whole business is 417 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,560 based off of this like anger and passion that I have about the 418 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,760 pet industry. And I'm like, I'm selling treats 419 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,320 to pay the bills and to get in front of people to have 420 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,640 conversations that will ultimately extend or improve 421 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,920 their pets lives. Like it's not even about the 422 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,520 treats for me. The treats are the means to the 423 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,200 end. And what do you need position 424 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,160 and what an amazing position we are in to have a voice in the 425 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,960 industry to be able to fulfill our passions. 426 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,280 I rant about that. That's my one thing. 427 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,720 I mean, as as a mom, being able to have a something where I feel 428 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,320 like I'm actually making a difference in the world is so 429 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,840 cool. And I think even just like a 430 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,000 corporate centered world in general, it's it's it's cool, 431 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,960 it's humbling. I'm not rich anytime. 432 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:26,480 You know, I'll be driving my pink Mercedes anytime soon. 433 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,680 But and, and you have the businesses that are just, 434 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,040 they're just funded, they're just startups, you know, your 435 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Purinas that are just out there to make their money and to meet 436 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,160 the bottom line. And you can tell, you can tell 437 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,680 the differences. That's hard. 438 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,920 That was hard to see that with Champion because I really like 439 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,920 them. And then all of a sudden, all of 440 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,800 the things, because I work for Champion pet foods right out of 441 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,000 college. And that was when they were 442 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,680 like, we won't work with big companies. 443 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,680 Like I remember having to call individual customers when we 444 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480 pulled out of Chewy because Chewy sold to PetSmart or 445 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,360 something like that. And then, so now Chewy was big 446 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,000 box store owned and we wouldn't work with big box stores. 447 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,840 We were committed to independent and now look, and I think it's 448 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,840 it's great that things like that are accessible, but it was just 449 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,240 so painful to watch them go back on all of these promises that 450 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,960 they've been making and then all of a sudden they're making a 451 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,000 grain inclusive food. All of a sudden they're making 452 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,040 and like ancient grains. Yeah. 453 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:37,400 Well, and like I was saying earlier, it's like that that 454 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,440 bottom line like missing out on a part of the market. 455 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,520 And I think that's why getting back to like the green washing, 456 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:56,840 it's, it is these big companies mostly that are trying to grab 457 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,720 market share in a market that they know they don't they have 458 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,000 no footing in. So they have to use marketing 459 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,760 tactics to try to grab that dollar from the consumer because 460 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,480 their product doesn't actually fit in that market. 461 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,200 And you know what? That. 462 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,640 Consumer wants, I think that's exactly it. 463 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,000 I think that the greenwashing you see is from the money based 464 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,920 companies or like the the ones that are in it for the money. 465 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,040 The actual health benefits are from those passion or those 466 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,240 vision driven companies and they're just trying to copy 467 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,120 because yeah, they see people are out there. 468 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800 I mean, there's a supplement for everything these days, which is 469 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:48,640 cool, but it also now it's very hard. 470 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,600 You have to really do your research to cut through the bad 471 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,080 ones and that's hard. I'm like, I just want some 472 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,280 vitamin DI. Don't know. 473 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,840 There's like 8 million rules. I just wanted some CBD. 474 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,720 And then like you start researching it and you're like, 475 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040 oh, got it. It's 0% by available. 476 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,800 Fantastic. Yeah, yeah. 477 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,200 And I think that's really it. I think that's those business 478 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,120 companies are the ones trying to cling to what they see 479 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,040 everybody's coming in for and they're trying to do better and 480 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,760 they're praying on that. They are. 481 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:26,520 They are very much praying on people who have the interest of 482 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,560 their pets at in at heart. They want to do better and they 483 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,920 just don't. They haven't done the research 484 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,520 and they don't understand. They're praying on the the fact 485 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,960 that they have dominated the marketing in the industry for so 486 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,920 long that people just trust them and they shouldn't, they 487 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560 absolutely should not, but they do. 488 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:59,120 And I, but I think, you know our that advertising that we have 489 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,840 been subjected to over the last 80 some years, maybe longer, has 490 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:12,560 just gotten so evil for lack of a better word. 491 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,920 They don't start outlawing pharmaceutical ads on TVI think 492 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,120 I'm going to boycott. I think I might start flipping 493 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,640 cars again. Every time I see you and I'm 494 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,240 like I'm done watching I'm instantly mood ruined. 495 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,080 Why did I just see a hepatitis vaccine ad in the middle of my 496 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,240 Real Housewives or whatever? And then you and then you look 497 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,960 at the background behind that. But that's why we get along so 498 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000 well as I'm like, you start to see the background. 499 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,360 Well, it's not about the money. It's about control of the media. 500 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,000 And I just think that it's I just think it's so sick. 501 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,440 And it's the same thing with pet food. 502 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,520 They have control of everything. You look at who owns or who 503 00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:00,840 Purina and like Hills and you know all of those big names own, 504 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,360 they own what, like 80% of the veterinary hospitals in the 505 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,680 United. States yes and interestingly, I 506 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,720 actually was just talking to I just I just got to interview 507 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:21,320 Doctor Billinghurst and I yes and Colgate Palmolive, which is 508 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,040 Hills just purchased a raw food company in Australia. 509 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,280 So I asked him, I was like, how do you think? 510 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,760 And I mean, obviously this is all speculation and opinion, but 511 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,760 like, how do you think because you've been in this industry for 512 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,120 so long, these big pet food companies are going to have to 513 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,160 start stepping back what they're teaching veterinarians if 514 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,040 they're getting into the raw food market. 515 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,040 And he would, of course, I, and then he asked me what the pet 516 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,920 food company was and I told him and he was like, I've been 517 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960 wondering why their advertising has gone crazy. 518 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Like I guess on TV they've been advertising like crazy. 519 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,080 And he's like, I understand why they're doing, why they've been 520 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,800 able to do that now. That's such a weird one too, 521 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:14,080 because I'm like, I guess it's cool that it's becoming 522 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,640 mainstream, but once it becomes mainstream, that's when like the 523 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,040 the crappy ones start sliding it and I'm like, I don't want to 524 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,840 call Stellan Chewy's crappy, but it's definitely not one that I 525 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,680 would choose. I'm glad for brands like Primal. 526 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120 People talk a lot of crap about Primal and I was actually just 527 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,440 talking to a bunch of their reps this weekend. 528 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,920 It is such an incredible food. That's so for the availability 529 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,800 of it and it's such an approachable option for people. 530 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,000 Like if I can get people onto Primal, I've won. 531 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,960 I'm like, that is a you look at the ingredients. 532 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920 It's at least whole food. Is it the best food in the 533 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,040 world? No. 534 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,840 Maybe we can move to Steve's later on or something like that. 535 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,600 But it's so approachable. It's easy to find. 536 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360 It's yeah, not so scary. And it's a little bit more 537 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000 accepted. Brands like that. 538 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,520 I'm, I'm really grateful for whether or not whatever their 539 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,840 intentions are, I don't know. I think they at least started 540 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,720 out well because the ingredients are honestly great. 541 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,080 It it actually is interesting how available they are because 542 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,680 like I have a a client in Alaska and it's about the only thing 543 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,120 she can get. I'm like, OK, yeah, then that's 544 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,680 what. And they just started doing both 545 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,320 boxes and I'm like, the prices aren't bad. 546 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440 It's not enough to, like scare people. 547 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,640 Yeah, you can get it in your pet supply plus. 548 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,000 So that's what I'm saying, going back to like the average 549 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,240 consumer, making things available to them. 550 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,600 And that's why, like, I do like my whole prey. 551 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,400 Rabbit sticks. It's whole prey, but it's just a 552 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,080 crunchy little sausage. It's got this cute pink label. 553 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,400 It's approachable. It's not so scary because then, 554 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,520 I mean, I bring somebody in and they see rabbit heads on the 555 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,320 table and they're like, we are in the wrong place. 556 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,240 And I'm like, look to the PG section. 557 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,880 Like, don't run away. I do. 558 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800 I braid everything like PG to rated R and like, look away from 559 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,159 the dead birds, go to the jerky. It's at least human grade. 560 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,320 Yeah. Because it's a lot, Yeah. 561 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,199 At times just getting people thinking and getting their toe 562 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,639 in the door. And then you could be like, have 563 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,800 you thought about swapping up the Milk Bones for something 564 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480 better, you know? But it's hard. 565 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,920 It's these things. I mean, I was watching cartoons 566 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,800 with my son, and they're feeding the dog kibble and little 567 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,600 biscuits. And it's so deeply ingrained in 568 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,080 our society that you have to kind of wean off of it. 569 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:44,520 So that's how I'm like, I'm glad that if your big box come, you 570 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,360 know, your big companies are starting to get into fresh food 571 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,840 diets, even if it's gently cooked and stuff like that, the 572 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,360 vets are going to have to back off. 573 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,240 It's going to start being a little bit more of an open door. 574 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:08,080 And I think that overall that's advantageous if we can catch 575 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,720 that opening and maneuver it a little bit, like we were talking 576 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,600 about this before, it could be good or it could just funnel 577 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,480 people towards the junk. Yeah, I think it needs to be 578 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,560 kind of strategically handled. Yeah. 579 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,280 Well, and that's like I've been saying forever, I don't like the 580 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,920 farmer's dog's food, but I am very grateful for their 581 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,800 marketing budget because it had it alone. 582 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,560 I mean, it has brought in so many other foods that are just 583 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:48,080 like it, but it allow that they have opened so many people's 584 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:54,000 eyes to the idea that dogs should not be eating that dry 585 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,640 kibble every meal of their life for their entire life. 586 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,280 And so I'm, I'm very grateful for that. 587 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,160 And I my hope is that it's a stepping stone for people. 588 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,840 Are they the one who's it's one of those that like their first 589 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,680 couple lines of their ad or like most of their ads are centered 590 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,680 around overweight and obese pets? 591 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,280 I don't can't remember if it's them or like Maeve or it's one 592 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,800 of those like subscription companies and I'm like weird 593 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,280 because it's a high carb food. However, we need to normalize. 594 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,360 I say this in the nicest way possible. 595 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,080 I but I tell I'd say I'm like the number one dog body shamer 596 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,800 and you're welcome for it because it's like we need to 597 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,680 normalize critiquing our pets weight more. 598 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,200 I don't want to say like fat shaming, but that is the easiest 599 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,840 thing that you can do for your dogs is to get weight off of 600 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,920 them like I. Think, I think it's so hard 601 00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,360 because, and I mean this in the best possible way, it is, it is 602 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,520 so hard for a person to look at themselves in the mirror and say 603 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,400 I need to make a change. So if they're going to look at 604 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,120 their pet and say their pet is overweight and not look at 605 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,440 themselves, like I think that's why it can be so hard for 606 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,880 people. Yeah, I feel like we've gone 607 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:28,120 through the wave of being fat is bad and we're starting to shift 608 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,440 it more to respect your body. Your body is a temple. 609 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,800 I'm trying to think about how to work with this. 610 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,560 Like I feel at least in everything that I see because I 611 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,840 I, I'm in CrossFit and it's a very much like all bodies 612 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,600 welcome all body types. Like most of the most, a lot of 613 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,520 that, the most amazing athletes in CrossFit are what you would 614 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,280 look at and say they're overweight, but they're the 615 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,080 strongest, most in shape people ever. 616 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,680 So it's like it doesn't matter what your body looks like. 617 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,120 And especially for women, like we hit a point where it's like, 618 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,880 you're just going to have a muffin top. 619 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,880 And it's not realistic for a normal mom to get back to. 620 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,840 Like, I'm, I know, I know. I'm at the point now. 621 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,240 I was talking to candy and I'm like, it's really just unfair. 622 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,640 You just drank half a gallon of milk and polished off some Oreos 623 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,320 and I think you lost 10 lbs. I ate some Yeah. 624 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,240 And like, went up two pants sizes and I work out seven days 625 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,680 a week. I'm like, I'm so sick. 626 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,960 I hate salad. I don't want. 627 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,280 Oh my gosh, girl, it turns. Into a positive conversation 628 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,320 versus a negative conversation. Well, I mean in that regard, 629 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,520 like I actually find I feel very positive about what I do. 630 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,480 To. Keep myself healthy. 631 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,640 Like, I don't look at what I do as, like, I'm missing out on 632 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,880 anything or I'm deprived of anything. 633 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,920 If I want some, if I want sugar, I'm going to have sugar, Yeah. 634 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,600 And I'm just going to do my best to not feel bad about it. 635 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,280 An hour later, yeah. Well, and I was just actually, I 636 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,640 had that revelation earlier today because I'm like, I just 637 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,040 naturally don't like breakfast. And when I started doing 638 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,880 CrossFit really heavily, I started, I was getting pretty 639 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,880 good, but I just like, I could not put on muscle and like, I've 640 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,800 always been a smaller person, but I always just withheld 641 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,760 calories to stay thin. And that was easy for me. 642 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,000 I'm just, I don't really have a huge appetite anyway. 643 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,160 But I, I didn't realize what a negative relationship I had with 644 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,560 food until I had to start eating more. 645 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,680 And it was really hard. It was really hard to rewire 646 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000 because I'm like, I was calculating how many calories I 647 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800 was getting and like how much protein I was getting in a day 648 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,520 and it was grossly under. I'm like, how am I alive? 649 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,680 Honestly, I was getting like half of the calories I should be 650 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,440 and and I'd come home from the gym and eat like a zucchini and 651 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,280 then I'm like, why can I not gain muscle? 652 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,240 And I'm like, I was eating like 5 grams of protein a day. 653 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,440 And so now I'm aiming for 100 and it took me a long time, but 654 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,560 now I get to the point where I'm like, man, I need to prioritize 655 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,120 protein and I don't even really think about calories. 656 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,760 I try to have gotten to a point where I'm trying to figuring out 657 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,120 quantity of what I'm eating because I did like when my. 658 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,000 Working out slows down, but it it is a lot of mindset with it. 659 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,800 I don't feel restricted. If I want, if my body tells me 660 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,120 to binge some chocolate, got to be honest, I'm doing it. 661 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,320 I have my wine still. If I say like wine is poison, 662 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,440 you can't have it, then I think I want it more. 663 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,640 You know what I mean? And so now it's it's a lot of 664 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,160 just, yeah, trying to have a healthy relationship with 665 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,600 things. And I think about that with our 666 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,360 pets too. So getting back the pet side of 667 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:58,560 things, but it is like it's not depriving if your your dog a 668 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,920 food, you're just prioritizing longevity, you're prioritizing 669 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,760 their health span. Right. 670 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,560 And it, I think it is very, these two things are very 671 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,800 intertwined, whether you start getting yourself healthy first 672 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,800 or you start getting your pets healthy first, like it is, they 673 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,640 are so intertwined. You're going to eventually 674 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,760 figure like you're going to at least realize and make some 675 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,440 changes for yourself if you start making changes for your 676 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,240 pet. And I think that's a really good 677 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,120 thing. It's a really, really good thing 678 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,200 with the AS. Well as we know that our pets 679 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,840 feed off of our mental like our energy and so the more In Sync 680 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,360 you both are, the better holistic picture you're going to 681 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,240 get. Yeah. 682 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,960 But yeah, so and and to kind of further that thought, green 683 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,680 washing in the pet industry, it doesn't end in the pet industry. 684 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,760 It is absolutely in everything we buy for ourselves as well. 685 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,520 So. If you Start learning to read, I 686 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,880 think that's one of the first things. 687 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,520 Start learning to read labels. Not just the front, the pretty 688 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,280 pack, you know, the front of those pretty packages. 689 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,360 Like I went to a Walmart the other day for the first time and 690 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,360 I don't know how long and I'm just like a like it's overload 691 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,640 for me. I know, I'm, I'm sure I'm like 692 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,040 in the minority. I can't like I can't watch my 693 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,520 nephew play a video game. I can't walk into a Target or a 694 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,640 Walmart and see this like, you know, colors and bright and 695 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,560 everything's bright and everything's trying to grab your 696 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,920 like it is overload for me and I'm just like, I need to get out 697 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,960 of here. I cannot handle this. 698 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,000 But when that's all you have seen for years and years and 699 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,080 years, you're like blind. I'm learning. 700 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,640 It's hard. Yeah, yeah. 701 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,800 So turning around those packages, period, end of 702 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,920 statement, I don't care what it is. 703 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,640 I don't care if it's for you or if it's for your pets. 704 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,560 Turn around those packages and look at the ingredients. 705 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,600 Are you comfortable with those ingredients? 706 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,320 I think that's a really good place to start. 707 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,200 Yeah, and that's, that's a lot of what I try to preach is like 708 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,440 conscience or conscious consumerism. 709 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,160 Like it's hard. It it is a lot to learn. 710 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,480 Like I, I This is why I'm excited to talk more on on the 711 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,200 human side of things. But I deal a lot with parents 712 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,120 now who are like, my God, I can barely get to the grocery store. 713 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,560 It is as it is like if I have to turn over every single label, 714 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,200 you get better at it. You know, you know what to look 715 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,520 for. If I see certain tag words on 716 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,680 the label, I'm immediately not even going to spend my time on 717 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,800 it. I'm at least I know with like 718 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,800 certified organic, I still am going to turn it over. 719 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,400 But I know that we're, we're missing out on some stuff, you 720 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,160 know, or if I go to ALDI that that takes a little bit of the 721 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,720 guesswork out of it for me. But I'm like, marshmallows have 722 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,320 red dye in them. Everything has dye in it. 723 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,040 I can't buy pepperoni that doesn't have BHA and BHT. 724 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,680 My son loves pepperoni. I love pepperoni. 725 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,360 And I don't want to deprive them of all of the fun things. 726 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,760 I mean, I grew up on Cap'n Crunch and purple ketchup. 727 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,880 Do you remember that purple ketchup from like the, I don't 728 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,320 know, 2000? No, but do you remember Clear 729 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,640 Pepsi? I mean, it's just made me. 730 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,960 Think back I guess. How do they make it clear? 731 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,520 I don't know, I guess they just didn't put the caramel color in 732 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,560 it. I have no idea. 733 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680 But I think they're, they're like all of these things that we 734 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,080 remember that are, you know, they all of it was so very 735 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,480 nostalgic and absolutely horrible for us. 736 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,080 Well, that's what tricks, tricks tried to take artificial food 737 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,360 coloring out. But then people were furious 738 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,760 because they're like, you're ruining their memories. 739 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,640 Please. And so then they went back and 740 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,120 they added them back in and they're like, we tried, you guys 741 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,880 didn't like it. And I'm like, that's so 742 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,480 disappointing. Like you're so close. 743 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,320 If they would have done that and succeeded, would others have 744 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,560 followed suit? So no, Kellogg is like, we're 745 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,360 not going to do that. Well, and I I wonder because I 746 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,800 think West Virginia just banned all artificial food coloring. 747 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,160 I did see that what a random state to do that. 748 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,080 Very random state to do that. And so I wonder if that applies 749 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,840 to pet food or not or just human, human food. 750 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,560 And I also wonder how that is going to work because, you know, 751 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,680 a company makes what they make and distributes it to every 752 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,760 state. So are they just no longer going 753 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,760 to distribute to West Virginia? Yeah. 754 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440 Or are they going to change their products so that they can 755 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,960 distribute? Like California banned them a 756 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,600 while ago. Or at least. 757 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,600 I don't think all of them. Is that all? 758 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,520 I didn't think they did all. Of them, if you're watching this 759 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,040 and you know the answer to put it, because I just watched to 760 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,640 die for and then I followed that. 761 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,800 I was like binge watching the health documentaries and I 762 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,840 followed that up right with Food Inc. 763 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,720 And that's what they're saying. They're like, OK, sure, it's 764 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,000 just one state, but if you get enough individual states, I 765 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,280 mean, what are these? What are these foods going to 766 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,520 do? Just not sell? 767 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,840 They're going to make a, you know, are they going to make a 768 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,160 new product just to sell in that one state? 769 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,960 No, eventually they're going to fold. 770 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,640 And that's what's so frustrating about like the Vani Hari food 771 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,200 babe situation. She's like, we're not asking you 772 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,240 to make a new product, just sell us the Canadian Fruit Loops. 773 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,680 Like it's still a junk food. We just wanted to not be maybe 774 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,160 poisonous. And it's so frustrating to me. 775 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,440 My my favorite one that I like to bring up. 776 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,320 I don't know if it's my favorite. 777 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,080 I think it's my least favorite. But the nutrient shake that they 778 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,000 give to cancer patients? Oh yeah, yeah. 779 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,720 Has it had red 3IN it which was proven carcinogenic? 780 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,400 I I went. You're feeding cancer to cancer 781 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:26,400 patients, my God. 2 Two years ago roughly, I went my aunt my 782 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960 my uncle's wife so she, I wasn't blood related to her, but 783 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,200 anyway, she was in the hospital because she had lung cancer and 784 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,800 I went up there with my mom to see her and I'm, I'm I, I'm 785 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,080 literally in this hospital. First of all, I hate being in a 786 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,200 hospital and I'm looking at the all of all of the food that has 787 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,320 been brought to her and it is 100% sugar and carbs. 788 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,560 It was macaroni and cheese. It was like apple juice or grape 789 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,160 juice. It was pudding, jello pudding. 790 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,720 I mean, oh, did I lose you on Instagram again? 791 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,040 Oh, OK, no worries. We'll just wrap up. 792 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:34,920 Yeah, yeah, hang on, hang on one second. 793 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,200 Let me let me wrap up this Instagram real quick. 794 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,440 All right, guys. So yeah, we are seeing the what 795 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,400 what Lauren was just saying because we're still live on 796 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,160 YouTube is that we're seeing the exact same things with cancer 797 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,480 and pets. They are still recommending 798 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,560 these really high carbohydrate diets that, by the way, also 799 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,880 have rancid fats all over them. All of this is horrible for us 800 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,360 and for our pets. I'm just going to go ahead and 801 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,080 wrap it up on Instagram. Thank you guys so much for being 802 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,040 here with us today. If you have more questions about 803 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,720 greenwashing in the pet industry, you can DM either one 804 00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:13,800 of us. She's a Girls gone Raw Pet 805 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,280 Health, and I'm at the Pet parenting Reset. 806 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,560 And yeah, love to answer your questions.