1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,520 Welcome back, pet parent. It hasn't been that long since 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:08,039 Rita Hogan, the canine herbalist, was on the Pet 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,200 Parenting Reset, but she is still on her book tour for her 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,079 new book, The Herbal Dog. And as part of that book tour, 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,840 she also recorded with us on Pet Health Junkies. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,160 So I tried really hard not to overlap any questions from 1 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,520 recording to the other so that I could bring this episode to you 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,920 as well. The Herbal Dog, in my opinion, 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:38,120 is the book of the year for me at least it is. 10 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:42,360 It's one of my goals this year is to learn more from Rita 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,440 specifically and learn more about herbs in general. 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,720 And so the Herbal Dog being the reference book that it is, is so 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,080 exciting. If you haven't got yourself a 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,160 copy yet, I hope you get yourself a copy. 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,640 I will put a link to it in the the show notes. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:05,840 And if you are anywhere near any of the book tour in person stops 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,840 that Rita is doing this year, she is currently on her book 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,280 tour. I hope you take the opportunity 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,720 to go listen to her, even get a copy of the book sign. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,880 How cool would that be? But I wanted to bring you this 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,680 episode of Pet Health Junkies this week because there's just 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,280 so much valuable information. Someone like Rita who has spent 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,480 decades working in a modality like she has, which is herbs. 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,560 Of course. There's so much knowledge to be 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,200 gained. So I hope you enjoy this episode 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,760 of Pet Health Junkies. This is our weekly episode for 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,800 the Pet Parenting Reset. Of course, I have more episodes 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,120 that are recorded that I'm going to get out to you, but Rita's, 29 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,720 every time I listen to her, I hear something I learned 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,400 something new and I wanted to bring that to you as well. 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,400 So let's get into it. Here is this week's Pet Health 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Junkies episode with the incredible canine herbalist Rita 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,880 Hogan. Welcome back, pet health junkie. 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,840 We are so excited to be talking to our guest, the incredible 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,680 Rita Hogan today. We're so happy to be able to 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,720 bring her to you, especially since her book, The Herbal Dog 37 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,400 has just launched. We are so excited. 38 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,920 I can't tell you, I really cannot tell you how excited I am 39 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,400 for this book. And I know I've told Rita this 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,760 in the past. I one of my goals this year is 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,560 to learn more about herbalism. So this was like the universe 42 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,680 telling me, here you go, here's Rita. 43 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:42,200 Best teacher? Yeah, we are so, so excited for 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,080 you to be here. So excited for your book, so 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,840 excited for your tour. Thank you so much for all that 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:52,440 you do Welcome, Rita Hogan. Hello, so excited to be here. 47 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,960 Really am totally excited about it and I get all three at one 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,240 time. I know we try very hard not to 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,160 talk over. I know just as I was saying, we 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,760 try very hard not to talk over each other. 51 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,040 But yes, we have a lot of questions. 52 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,240 And I think I know Janet wanted to ask you a little bit about 53 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,440 like your motivation and why you wrote the book. 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,760 And I think that's a great place to start if you wouldn't mind, 55 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,960 Janet. Well, that, that's just it. 56 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:24,560 I, when I saw you on social media, Rita, announcing your 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,520 book and then I, I see the post, you know, all the time and, and 58 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,200 pre-order and, and I'd love for you to by the time this comes 59 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,840 out, it will be released. So we definitely want people to 60 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,720 hear more than one time during the podcast where they can go 61 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:45,000 get your beautiful book. But that's quite a lofty goal 62 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,760 that, you know, when you set out to write a book #1 But then when 63 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,600 we talk about herbs and herbalism and especially, you 64 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,840 know, canines, and I'm sure that Pam is probably going to ask you 65 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:02,680 about cat, but you know, in the space where we all work and live 66 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,960 and breathe and love, it's about natural pet care. 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,800 It's about Wellness. And definitely herbs, you know, 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,880 lend itself to that. So if you could just give us and 69 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,600 our listeners a background, your background, first of all, kind 70 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,520 of set the stage there and then tell us what led you to wanting 71 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,640 to write this beautiful book. Well my background is in 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,760 herbalism. I've been doing a long time, 73 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,520 couple decades. It morphed and changed to full 74 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:41,280 time herbalism, but I started off in kennel free boarding and 75 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:44,720 moving to Tennessee. Then I started studying 76 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:50,080 herbalism and then I decided I was going to do dogs and herbs. 77 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:53,520 And then I realized there was a couple other people out there 78 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,960 that were dedicating their lives to animals and herbalism and I 79 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,920 was excited about that. You know, our the Internet was 80 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,280 not the Internet of today. You know, you couldn't find any 81 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:07,600 information out on the Internet. You could, I mean, you could, I 82 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,720 don't even think you could order like books on the Internet at 83 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,920 that time. I'm not positive. 84 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,480 I don't think you could. At least I couldn't. 85 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,960 I, I didn't know how we had satellite Internet at the time, 86 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,280 but I just realized how sick sick dogs were, you know, how 87 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:27,760 sick they were and that people would be so surprised when their 88 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,520 animals would get better. So we, we moved to Olympia, WA 89 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,600 and that's when I really, really took it on like full full time. 90 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,360 But I helped all the people that I boarded dogs with and 91 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,080 experimented on pugs in my rescue for a long time with 92 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,960 herbs. Not they're non-toxic herbs, you 93 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,640 know, but they taught me a lot and here I am. 94 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,480 So the motivation to write the book is definitely to get people 95 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,320 to understand how to use herbs according to plant language, 96 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,800 which many people don't. You know, I put out a a meme 97 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,000 today about the book helping with the supplement graveyard. 98 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,600 Reason why is because so many people have so many things that 99 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,880 their dogs just don't. It doesn't work. 100 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,880 And usually that's because they are not looking at the plants as 101 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,800 individuals or their dog as an individual. 102 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,000 So you know, this book really helps you do that. 103 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,200 And if you don't want to do that with the book, that's fine and 104 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,800 still help you, right? It's part learning and it's part 105 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,920 reference, but hopefully, you know, you'll, you'll want to 106 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,720 learn a little bit about your dog as an ecosystem and an 107 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,120 individual. And that will keep you from 108 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,720 having that supplement graveyard because you'll have different 109 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,160 palettes in which to use and choose herbs from. 110 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:50,800 But I but I, you know, the book is 400 and 400 and Oh my God. 111 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:58,440 A lot of pages. It's 440 pages long and it, you 112 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,600 know, it really comes out of a mentorship I had with about like 113 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:07,000 30 to 40 women for about four years, every single Thursday. 114 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,440 And I showed, they showed up and I wrote lessons and they wrote 115 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,880 lessons. And then when I, and when I went 116 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,840 to write the book, I had a lot that I had already done and put 117 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,640 together. So I had to rewrite everything 118 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,280 and then add things here and there and, and decide what I 119 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 wanted to go into it. But that was definitely the 120 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,040 motivation. That's a lot of dedication. 121 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Can you give us just one example before we go on to the next 122 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,120 question about a dog that you like you, you said the looking 123 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,440 at your pet as an ecosystem and then looking at the herbs and as 124 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,960 I think you said a plant, individual plant. 125 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,560 Is that what you said? Yeah. 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,360 And so can you give us an example because, you know, in 127 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:54,400 popology, as with Jessica and Pam, you know, we deal with 128 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,120 herbs. We do have some brands on our 129 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,760 shelves here at Pathology. And at home. 130 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:04,360 I have what I call my first aid kit and it is full of various 131 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,080 herbs. And what I love is that if I see 132 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,320 a symptom with Charlie, my 13 year old Aussie, I know I can 133 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,920 spend my little wheel and get my tincture and I give him that and 134 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,040 he's fine within, you know, two to three days. 135 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,280 But I don't know if that's exactly what you were talking 136 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,480 about. You know, 'cause that seems. 137 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Crazy spinning. I want to know your spinning. 138 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,360 That's all I. Wondering. 139 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,360 My, my, my little wheel, I have a dual layered cake plate in my 140 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,159 kitchen and it spins. So it's two layers and it's on a 141 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,360 spindle and I just have my tinctures out, you know, on the 142 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 counter because I don't have, they don't fit in a cabinet. 143 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,560 And so that's where I keep my tinctures and I call it my first 144 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:51,920 aid kit. It's my go to. 145 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,880 But you know, their, their daily digest drops are there, there, 146 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,320 you know, but then if occasionally Charlie will get 147 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,520 runny eyes and I have an allergy drop that works beautifully with 148 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,040 him. And so I give it to him for a 149 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,040 couple of days and those little boogies dry up. 150 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,960 Well, good. I don't know what been. 151 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,960 Doing that for a long. Time, I don't know what's in 152 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 what's allergy drops, but probably something that 153 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,560 resonates with him, right? Yeah. 154 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,120 I definitely would encourage you to explore more like why he gets 155 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,400 the boogies in the 1st place and why they're chronic and why you 156 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,720 have to keep giving that boogie take. 157 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,160 Liver, liver and environmental with him. 158 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,720 And he loves to stay outside. And so it coincides, like here 159 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,880 in Central Texas where we are, his little drippy eye usually 160 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,880 coincides with what's going on outside. 161 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,160 And I actually am going to step into the store and I'm going to 162 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,840 go get my tincture so I can tell you what plants are in it. 163 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Get your boogie drops. Get those, boogie. 164 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,840 Drops. OK, well, you tell everybody. 165 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,720 Give us an example. Good. 166 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,520 You can use them as an example, but if you're, you know, the 167 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,920 biggest example that I haven't, I think I actually, I use it in 168 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,400 the book because it's just so common and easy is, you know, 169 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,160 turmeric. Everyone loves turmeric. 170 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,760 I just did a monograph on turmeric and you know, everyone 171 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,560 loves turmeric. Well, turmeric is not good for a 172 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,560 lot of dogs, dogs that are too warm, because turmeric is. 173 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,480 It's not as warming as ginger, but it is quite warming. 174 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,200 You know, ginger and turmeric. If you look on the shelves of 175 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,000 your store, you're gonna see ginger and turmeric in so much. 176 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,600 And it just doesn't work for dogs that are hot. 177 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,240 It makes them more hot. It makes them more lethargic. 178 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,920 It causes more inflammation because they're hot, like an 179 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,920 indirect cause of inflammation. So I mean, that's the biggest 180 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,440 example that people can, most people know what turmeric is 181 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,360 and, and it's warming. I think it tastes great and I'm 182 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,000 a warm person and if I eat turmeric, my face turns red. 183 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,240 I, I love it, but I can't eat it very regularly. 184 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,880 I very inconsistently. I can have it like when I go out 185 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,480 for Thai and someone puts a little bit in there or something 186 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,360 like that, or I eat that great. What is that potato and 187 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,400 cauliflower dish? It's an Indian dish. 188 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:21,080 Yummy, but I probably haven't had that in years. 189 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:26,720 But it's chock full of turmeric. But yeah, I mean, that's a, you 190 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,960 know, looking at looking at a dog as an ecosystem. 191 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,840 If your dog turns out to be have more of a unbalanced heat in 192 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,760 their ecosystem, turmeric is not something you're going to use 193 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,280 consistently. I mean, you can use the one off, 194 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,160 but it's it's, it's not something that you should be 195 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,240 giving your dog. That's a good example about what 196 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,560 you mean by that, the ecosystem. What's in your oak drops? 197 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Nettle, which I've heard you talk about nettle many times. 198 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Nettle's great. Yep, there is licorice in here. 199 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,840 Burdock root. I've heard you talk about that 200 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,600 many times and my 60 year old eyes are failing with the last 201 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,240 ingredient. I can't see it. 202 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,600 It's with an E. Echinacea. 203 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,960 Bright. IBRIGHT E. 204 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,200 What is it? Is it? 205 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,800 EY, yeah, Ibright. Yes, that's it. 206 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Ibright's good for allergies and it's good for the eyes. 207 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,920 Of course. That's, you know, that's a fine 208 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,640 formula. It's cooling. 209 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,920 So your dog is most likely a warm dog. 210 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Yeah. So if it's working well and it 211 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,960 works well each time. So that's a cooling formula. 212 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,760 And I bring him cooling. Foods. 213 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,960 As well. Yeah. 214 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,480 Now if your dog was not a warm dog, that formula most likely 215 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,960 would not work very well. It could be work, it could work 216 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,240 acutely, but it's not going to work all the time. 217 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,080 OK. So yeah, so that's an example. 218 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,240 That's great, very practical. One of the things that I'm kind 219 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:14,720 of picking up on Rita, is how individual an animal is and how 220 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,120 individual a plant is. As I was thinking of it, I was 221 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,200 like, Oh yeah, that's the name of your podcast. 222 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,760 Dogs are individuals. Because all of these supplements 223 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,760 that are out here, there are so many supplements. 224 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,080 Most people don't read the ingredients of anything they 225 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,120 buy. And it is very like, you really 226 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,040 do need to like dive in to what ingredients are in each 227 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,120 supplement you're purchasing and why they're there. 228 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,720 What is the benefit? Does your dog actually need 229 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,440 that? And I think when you have 230 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,120 someone who goes down the rabbit hole of herbs, that's exactly 231 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,800 what you're teaching yourself is how to look at each thing 232 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,160 individually. Does that make sense? 233 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,400 Am I going down the right path? Yes, you are. 234 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,320 You're going down the right. You're following the right 235 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,640 rabbit. Following. 236 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,400 The right rabbit. Yes, that is exactly, I mean, 237 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,040 some people view it as it makes everything harder. 238 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,920 It actually doesn't once you just put a little work into it. 239 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,800 And it doesn't mean like that a warm dog can't have it doesn't 240 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,240 mean that a warm dog can't have, let's just say turmeric, right? 241 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,760 But it does mean that they shouldn't have it all the time 242 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,880 and consistently or you need to give something that really 243 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,000 offsets the heat. So like if you're going to give 244 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,680 ginger and turmeric, then, you know, give something like 245 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,520 gentian that is nice and cold that will offset some of that 246 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,160 heat. But I still don't think that 247 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,200 works for the long term. It's I haven't seen it work all 248 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,040 that well for the long term. For the short term, sure, 249 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,280 absolutely. But for the long term, and as 250 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,920 dogs go, this is really important. 251 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,040 So as dogs go up the chronic disease list and they get more 252 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,560 symptoms and more symptoms and more symptoms, it's more 253 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,800 important to stick to an energetically appropriate diet 254 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,240 and supplements as they get hotter, you know, because you 255 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,600 know, with cold dogs, dogs that are cold and cold and hot are 256 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,080 disease states. So you've got, you know, you've 257 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,280 probably got some arthritis, some liver weakness, some kidney 258 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,360 weakness, you know, you've got some aching and groaning, 259 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,000 probably some plaque on the teeth. 260 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:29,320 You know, just a lot of you know what is called comorbidities or 261 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,040 you know, symptoms showing up in the cold department, in the hot 262 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,080 department, they look different, right? 263 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,840 But when a dog is cold, if you give them cold herbs there or 264 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:47,320 cold food, and I mean cooling foods, you know, cold 265 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,800 temperature is even worse. But cooling foods consistently, 266 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,600 you will not on purpose, but make their health worse. 267 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,720 And you know, and these are common sense things, the way the 268 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,040 body works. You know, the body works on a 269 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,520 system of opposites for the most part. 270 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,520 Now, if you're using homeopathy, that's different. 271 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,160 It's like cures like, and that's a different mindset. 272 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,040 And I mix homeopathy and herbs all the time. 273 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:20,440 I include homeopathy in my book. But you know, when your body's 274 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,520 too hot, it's really good to cool it. 275 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,320 OK. And if your body's too warm, we 276 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,800 want to cool it down. And someone asked me the other 277 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,640 day, well, should I feed them frozen food? 278 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,880 No, no, because they're gut. We're not. 279 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,200 It's, it's an ecosystem. We're not talking about just the 280 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,160 gut. The gut does not need frozen 281 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,080 food. The gut, the that that's even a 282 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,040 nice warm digestion. We don't want to freeze it out. 283 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,280 And it takes so much energy from our dogs to heat up that frozen 284 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,160 food. We don't want to do that because 285 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,840 I mean, I see, I see the mindset. 286 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,080 Well, well, if they're hot, then maybe giving them frozen food 287 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,200 will help. No. 288 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,560 Will they be more tolerant to cold food? 289 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,079 Sure. Like out of the refrigerator. 290 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,920 Yes, they might in the dead of summer, but very rarely, it will 291 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,400 still negatively affect their gut. 292 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,480 And we don't want to shut down that digestion because it does 293 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,480 need warmth and it does need heat, But there's different 294 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,040 types of heat. And we're talking about the 295 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,400 whole ecosystem. We're not talking about just a 296 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,960 gastrointestinal tract and everything's connected. 297 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,160 So we really want to be mindful of that. 298 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,160 We can't hear you, Jessica. Jessa, you are. 299 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Married. I was muted because there was a 300 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,280 lot of noise in my background. I apologize. 301 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,240 So what that makes me, that was making me think of the whole 302 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:44,240 concept of yen and Yang and how even if we have a hot dog or if 303 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,680 we have a cold dog, we do want to lean in the opposite 304 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,080 direction for what we're doing. But we can't be 100% right? 305 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,360 It's never all of one or the other. 306 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,920 State you can't hold a you can't. 307 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,480 That's why consistency is important. 308 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,920 You can't hold a health and stasis. 309 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,960 And for those of you that do not know what yin and Yang are, are 310 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,800 because I tend to speak out against those terms in the 311 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,800 English language because a lot of people don't understand the 312 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,520 concept. It's rising energy and falling 313 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,480 energy, you know, things that stimulate and then think things 314 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,040 that calm, you know, cold dogs need more stimulation and dogs 315 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,400 that are already super stimulated need more downward 316 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,960 energy. So yes. 317 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,600 And it definitely is along those concepts because all the food, 318 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,160 all the herbs, all of them have different energy into different 319 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,320 degrees. You know, like I said, ginger's 320 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,400 much hotter than correct. And your bug do you folder. 321 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Sorry. And the bug. 322 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,040 You talk about, you know, how to identify your pet as warming or 323 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,640 cooling. Do you go into those? 324 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,800 Good. Yeah, that, that, that, my 325 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,560 sweet, is chapter 3. Chapter 3. 326 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,000 My favorite number. It's all about energetics. 327 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,840 It's to help them feel about your pup and give you a good 328 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,800 idea, even if you can just get there. 329 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,880 Are they warm or cool? And remember, it's a spectrum. 330 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,000 It's not just like it's a spectrum. 331 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,240 And in my opinion, most dogs are either born warm or cool and 332 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,480 they when they start to get sick, they go towards their 333 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,520 their the the kind of like polar regions of hot and cold. 334 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,760 I don't see them crossover that much. 335 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,880 You know, they can get warmer in their spectrum or cooler in 336 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,120 their spectrum. Like a hot dog can get go back 337 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:45,480 to warm just a night and warm and cool are nice and healthy. 338 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,520 It's when they start to get colder and hotter. 339 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,800 That's when we start seeing things just coming up and you 340 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,000 know, like fur loss and and dryness and but if people can 341 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,240 just get warm and cool, so many things will open up. 342 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,280 I remember when. My practice when I discovered 343 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,880 energetics, it was a lecture with Matthew Wood. 344 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:14,360 I discovered energetics and my head blew off and I just, I, you 345 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,880 know, it was like I was sitting there and all of a sudden I saw 346 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,600 all of these cases that I worked with, dogs that I worked with 347 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,520 and exactly why they didn't work. 348 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,240 Like I was like, Oh yeah, Oh my God, that's why that didn't 349 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,960 work. That's why that Oh my God, 350 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,960 that's why that and that's why and oh, this is and that, you 351 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,680 know, and my head just went oh, and and I was like, oh God, I 352 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,760 have to learn this. I have to learn this, you know, 353 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,080 and there's still things I'm learning, but I was like, wow, 354 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,800 this is so awesome because and I learned a little bit about it 355 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,840 when I read my favorite book. There it is when I read this 356 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,360 when I was just starting out, I read Cheryl Schwartz's book and 357 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,840 she just OK, so I was just starting at Little Tibet secret. 358 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,880 I just started out in 2003, right? 359 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,200 This book was written, It was written in 1996 thousand and 360 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,480 three, right? I read this book. 361 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,320 She became like she was my ultimate and I was like, Oh my 362 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,840 God, who is this woman? I love her and this book helped 363 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,200 me so much. It blew my brains. 364 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,600 And now and it's Cheryl Schwartz, DVM. 365 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,080 She's on the bat. Cheryl Schwartz and Pam, I know 366 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,520 you're into this, want to tell you a super fun thing about 367 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,960 Cheryl and I and this right here. 368 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,720 So I asked Cheryl to write me a thing for my book, right? 369 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,880 I just put it out there. I helped her cat and the fact 370 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,720 that I helped her cat is just mind blowing. 371 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,640 Blew my head off like this is all coming full circle. 372 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,640 This is crazy. So she says Rita is a fellow 373 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,320 pioneer who offers choices of maintaining health and blah, 374 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,640 blah, blah. OK, hold on. 375 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,600 Now. That came much later than when 376 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,880 this was written. So in here, I have an 377 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,720 acknowledgement to her. Hold on. 378 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,240 I'm going to find this is just the best. 379 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,160 I love. Oh, to Cheryl Schwartz, thank 380 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,400 you for looking beyond what is visible. 381 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Are you ready? You're a pioneer of integrative 382 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,880 care and inspiration both. What's so crazy is we both 383 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,360 called each other a, a pioneer. She said you're a fellow 384 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,560 pioneer. And I was just like, that is 385 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,400 crazy. Wait till she, I don't think 386 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,320 she's read it. Maybe she has, but I'm like, 387 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,240 wait till she reads the acknowledgement. 388 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,800 I mean, it's crazy because because when you read the I'm 389 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,160 not going to read the whole thing, but when you read the 390 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:43,800 whole thing, it was like what? And I loved that, that our kind 391 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240 of our brains were on the same spectrum. 392 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,360 And, you know, he's the pioneer, not me, but I might be a pioneer 393 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,560 to someone who is coming up, you know, up and coming. 394 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,560 And that's one of the reasons why I love what I'm doing and 395 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,840 how my life has worked out to do this work is that, you know, 396 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,960 this book is a way for me to hand the baton to someone and 397 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,360 say, here, take my work, right? And it's not mine. 398 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,440 It's not my work a little, a little bit is mine, right? 399 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,280 By dealing with dogs and, and everyday and stuff like that. 400 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,320 But this is the work of my mentors and the people before 401 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280 them and the people before them and the people before them, 402 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,200 because that's what herbalism is about. 403 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,120 That's what traditional herbalism is about. 404 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,480 And so, you know, this is my interpretation and my experience 405 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,680 of herbalism, but it's not mine. And I want someone else to take 406 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,840 this and take my work and expand it, right? 407 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,400 It's, and it's where my brain doesn't go, you know, cuz we all 408 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,720 have these really special little guys right up here, you know, 409 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,560 this special way that we see things. 410 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,440 I see things in patterns. Like I see the world in 411 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,800 patterns. And, you know, I want to hand 412 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,680 the baton to other people to help them rise up and help 413 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,080 others because that's what it's all about, right? 414 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,320 We're here to help our cats, our dogs, our donkeys, our chicks. 415 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480 I'm, you're, I'm learning homeopathy for chickens right 416 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,080 now. We're, you know, whatever little 417 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,760 creatures we're, we're taking care of, right? 418 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,400 Yeah. It doesn't matter if it's, you 419 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,760 know, whatever we gravitate towards, right? 420 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000 I definitely want one of those small Highland cows really bad. 421 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,400 I want one really bad. And after this book tour is 422 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,000 over, it might happen. Like whatever we're taking care 423 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,400 of, we want them to be healthy. We want ourselves to be healthy. 424 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,200 And I think that and what I love about that, what I love about 425 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,560 that, and especially in this climate right now, like what 426 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,320 we're dealing with in in the United States right now, one 427 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,400 thing that brings us together as a people is our animals, right? 428 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,360 We can, we can real for those people who love animals. 429 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,480 Some people don't. But like the people that love 430 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,360 animals, which is way more than the people who don't love 431 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,240 animals. And some people just have some 432 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:06,200 strange fears of, of animals. But like, you know, our dogs and 433 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120 our cats and all the little fuzzy creatures in our homes, 434 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080 they bring us together despite our political differences or 435 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,520 despite how we believe this and we believe that and everyone's 436 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,120 trying to be right and blah, blah, blah. 437 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,840 We really come together and, and, and plants, in my opinion, 438 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,640 are healers of all of that stuff. 439 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,080 So yeah, there I go that I I digress. 440 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,520 I digress. I love that. 441 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,920 I want to ask you where you would suggest pet parents start. 442 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,240 And I don't know if you want to answer that now or later in the 443 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480 podcast, well, aside from reading the book. 444 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,160 But you know, a lot of times, you know, we, I think all of us, 445 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,080 we see pet parents that are overwhelmed and they, you know, 446 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,840 bottom line to what you were just saying, Rita, is what we we 447 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,880 can all agree that we are in unity about wanting to help our 448 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720 pets and wanting them to be the most healthy they can be, to be 449 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,520 with us the longest they can be with us while being healthy. 450 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,200 I don't mean they lived 15 years and were on Apoquel inside a 451 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,680 point for eight, you know, 1000 years. 452 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,120 And because we all know that that's that comes with grave 453 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:20,560 consequences eventually and it doesn't lead to a quality life. 454 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720 What would you tell our listeners, our pet parents who 455 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,880 are caught in this gerbil wheel of going the traditional route? 456 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,080 I think that a couple of things get in the way. 457 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,920 One starts with AP, ends with an E if I'm spelling it correctly, 458 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,280 which is not always the right thing. 459 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,880 Oh, patience, yes. And the other one is 460 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:50,040 expectations and the other one is fear. 461 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,280 So I think those three things get in the way. 462 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,440 I think that our expectations are pharmaceutical. 463 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,520 Correct. I talk about in this book. 464 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,440 In the book, I try to, I try to calm people down. 465 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680 I'm always trying to calm people down because they get excited. 466 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,920 And you know, we come from fear. Like literally if a dog's 467 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,600 toenail, say a dog's toenail ripped out of their paw, Pat. 468 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,080 Just happened to my puppy. OK, her. 469 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,960 Toenail was at a 90° literally this Sunday. 470 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240 I we saw it. And so Monday I took her into 471 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,680 the vet and they sent me an X-ray and they're like, she 472 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,160 broke her toe and it's already healed. 473 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,520 It's already, it just has to have been here two to four weeks 474 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,840 and that we were my husband and I were like, there's no way. 475 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840 We play fetch with her every morning, every night. 476 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000 She is so active. You know, I'm looking at her paw 477 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,240 pads. She's been groomed twice and I'm 478 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,320 like, no, we got home from dinner last night and I'm 479 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,760 playing with her and my husband noticed he goes, where's her 480 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,640 toenail? And I looked her paw pads. 481 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,000 Everything was back to normal but the vet was convinced that 482 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,040 it had broken and already healed. 483 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,960 But it was I guess dislocated because everything is there and 484 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,720 back to quote UN quote normal. So just shocked it back in 485 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,040 place. Apparently she did. 486 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,160 She saved me on vet. That we do, you know, they're 487 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,320 like something hurts there. I'm going to just keep on doing 488 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,120 what I'm doing. But well, you know, I mean, the 489 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,240 example like a nail, a nail comes out of the nail bed and 490 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040 it's really obvious. I think a lot of people don't 491 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,400 think and go, OK, yeah, it's going to be a little swollen, 492 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,440 right? But they literally feel like 493 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,800 their dog is going to spontaneously explode in that 494 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,480 moment, just explode. The dog is exploding and just 495 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,440 because it it's missing a nail from its pop head, and you know 496 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,840 that. And that alone can get you on. 497 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920 OK well, we're just going to do antibiotics just in case. 498 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,760 Right. OK. 499 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,000 Yeah. Good. 500 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,480 Thank you so much. You know, they like, oh, God, 501 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,040 yeah, that's it. That's it right there. 502 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,000 And then we just destroyed their dog's immune system. 503 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,600 And then that's just the youth that keeps on giving. 504 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,720 Right. And they don't do anything about 505 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,160 it. No, because, well, it was last 506 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,560 year they gave him, you know, I hear all the time I say 507 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,240 something like, well, you know, you gave him antibiotics. 508 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160 So, you know, This is why this is happening. 509 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Well, I gave him antibiotics two years ago and you did nothing. 510 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360 And and they're like, well, yeah, he started having problems 511 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,720 about 3 months after the antibiotics. 512 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,400 That typical three to six months. 513 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160 You know, we or you know, you don't, it's kind of like 514 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,600 economics, right? Something happens and you don't 515 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800 see it for months, then all of a sudden you're screwed. 516 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240 So like that kind of stuff. And I think that fear really 517 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,880 leads us to making these really poor choices. 518 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,640 And I tell people, you know, take a breath, even a cancer 519 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,320 diagnosis, go home, sit and breathe and calm yourself down, 520 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,680 right? Your dogs, your dog doesn't 521 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,600 know. And they're like, what is the 522 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,800 matter with you? What, what did I do or what is 523 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,360 happening? And then I get all stressed out. 524 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,640 But like having the right expectations, not coming from 525 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,560 fear and patience. We are trained pharmaceutically. 526 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680 We're trained pharmaceutically. Like if something doesn't, 527 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400 something doesn't occur. Like a woman said, well, she's 528 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,880 been on it three days. OK, OK, we need it. 529 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,920 We're talking 6 to 8 weeks here. And it's not anyone's fault. 530 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,760 And I have in my book, Janet, I have a whole section called 531 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,720 Expectations in healing because I think that expectations are 532 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,960 really needed, like for herbs and using natural substances. 533 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,600 Like people have to get a little positivity under their belt. 534 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,600 Have some good experiences with it. 535 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040 Like a lot of people don't even understand like cat people have 536 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,080 been using herbs forever. Catnip is a wonderful nervous 537 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,840 system herb. It's off. 538 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,080 It's like really awesome at turning on the vagus nerve, the 539 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,640 parasympathetic nervous system that calms everything down. 540 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,880 They don't look at it as an herb, but it's an herb and it 541 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,560 can be used for cat and dogs too. 542 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560 And, and you know, there's like there's cat grass and wheat 543 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:33,360 grass and a lot of people use like spirulina or chlorella. 544 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Those aren't herbs. They're they're algaes. 545 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,000 But I just think people need to have some positive experiences 546 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600 and you take, you know, if you figure out your dog's 547 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,440 energetics, you figure out there if they're a warmer, cool dog, 548 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,520 then you start just add 1 urban that you may think I have in the 549 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,040 back of the book. I have these things called 550 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680 cofactors. OK, let's just look at the 551 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,360 cofactor. Well, not that one because that 552 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,680 one's a little more different. Let's look at the cofactors for 553 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,080 go to Cola. This is a perfect example. 554 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,040 So you look in the back of the book, it looks something like 555 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280 this. That's all about go to Cola. 556 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,920 OK, so go to cola and I mentioned go to cola throughout 557 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,640 the book on different ailments, but go to cola has cofactors and 558 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320 cofactors are like symptoms. All right. 559 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,480 And the more cofactors your dog has, the more well indicated 560 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,400 that herb is. So you're just your average 561 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,040 American pet parent trying to figure out if this like what you 562 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,080 should do, right? Your dog has, I would say your 563 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,240 dog is warm. They are a little hyperactive 564 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,080 and they've got, let's just say some connective tissue weakness, 565 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,960 like they had ACCL tear, OK, Like a tendon tear or something. 566 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,640 OK, so you're looking at here and you're going OK, cofactors, 567 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,320 acid reflux, adrenal weakness, anal gland conditions, anxiety, 568 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,440 arthritis, CCL tear. There's one, but you know what? 569 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:07,200 Last year they had acid reflux. They've their stomach's always 570 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,080 been a little off. And, you know, they're 12 years 571 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,720 old and I've noticed that they're just not as responsive 572 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,840 as they used to. Maybe they're getting a little 573 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,320 dementia. And two years ago when they were 574 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,080 at the vet, the vet told me that they had a little like, kind of 575 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,880 like almost high blood pressure. And they definitely, I feel like 576 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,040 they're stressed because I'm a stressed mess. 577 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080 And, and then, you know, there's a whole bunches of things. 578 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,600 Heart weakness, hernia, high blood pressure, high 579 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,520 cholesterol, high toxic load, hypothyroid, leaky gut, nervous 580 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,560 system nervousness. Yeah. 581 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,920 And they're a little, they're a little overweight and their, 582 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,160 their skin is a little itchy. So that would be like 8 583 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,280 cofactors, and you already know your dog is warm. 584 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,880 OK, So you're looking at the right herb because it's warm. 585 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,760 That would be 8 cofactors that your dog has had or does have, 586 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,560 right? I even look into the past, you 587 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,360 know, if it's within three to five years, that's still a 588 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560 cofactor. Your dog suffered from acid 589 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600 reflux. So that actually would be a 590 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,440 really good herb to start with. It'd be really good. 591 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,960 And we give dosages. Nice SO. 592 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,840 We have a T-shirt dosage. We have an infusion dosage for 593 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080 go to cola. It is your dog is a Chihuahua. 594 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,400 And so we're going to do one to three little drops of the 595 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,080 extract and and then we're going to do a quarter teaspoon of the 596 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,320 powder or the ground go to cola. And that is the leaf because the 597 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600 parts used are in there, the ground leaf. 598 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,239 And I'm going to make a tea out of it and put it on my dog's 599 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,159 food. So because it's really good as a 600 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,000 tea and and I'm going to give it to my dog for six to eight weeks 601 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,120 because how do I know that? Because I have a guide on how 602 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,120 long to give herbs to your dog, right? 603 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,400 To expect we want to move in the right direction. 604 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,280 All of a sudden they're getting there. 605 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,160 You know, they have more of a mobility, they're not having as 606 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,560 much dementia, you know, Oh, wow, that's a really good herb. 607 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,960 And then if you take them off the herb and they start to 608 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,640 decline, that means you need to put them back on the earth. 609 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,080 That's just a little, that's just a little one, but you can 610 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,680 also look formulas that way and you know, look at all the 611 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,520 formulas that you have. And the thing with some people 612 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,800 get it. Some, I think some companies get 613 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800 a little intimidated by that because they look they're 614 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,240 looking from a sales perspective. 615 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,840 But it doesn't mean anything is wrong with that product, right? 616 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,520 It just means that product is not right for your individual 617 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,960 dog, right? It's not about sales. 618 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,560 It's not about any of that. It's about does that formula 619 00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,160 have more cooling than warming or more warming than cooling. 620 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,760 It might have a nice balance, right, of cooling. 621 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000 Let's just say it had like 3 cooling, 3 warming. 622 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,560 And I have lists upon lists in the back about what's warming 623 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,480 and cooling. And you know, it, it it's fine. 624 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,440 Your dog, your dog isn't super sick. 625 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,960 You're doing it as support perfectly fine. 626 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,400 But when you go to take them off that formula, I've had people 627 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,520 take them off formulas and that dog starts feeling better, 628 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,160 starts running around, starts no, like not as much lethargy 629 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,200 because they're on an inappropriate, energetically 630 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,560 inappropriate formula. So you can look at formulas 631 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,480 different and if it's something that you feel is really awesome 632 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,840 then you can give it a try. But like I said, the more sick 633 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,920 your dog is, the more sensitive they're going to be to 634 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,560 energetically inappropriate. Herbs is it when you mentioned 635 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,560 Rita like 6 to 8 weeks and then you stop giving the herb? 636 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,640 I don't think you said wean them off, I think you said you stop. 637 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,760 But yeah. And then if we start observing a 638 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,720 repetition of the same decline, you start it again, so. 639 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,200 Yeah, and and you know, you can let, I mean, depending on the 640 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560 herb and I tell you in the book, if, if it's not something that 641 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360 can be give long term, you can give some herbs long term. 642 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,040 And some herbs are not good for long term. 643 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,840 But like if you if you're giving a an herb for mobility or a 644 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,160 formula and you take them off that formula and they start 645 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600 going right downhill, you just put them back on the formula. 646 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560 The body wants it. The body wants it right, right, 647 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,240 right. The reason why you have to wean 648 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:49,160 things off like pharmaceuticals is because pharmaceuticals are a 649 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,920 hammer. They're forcing the body into 650 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,120 submission, right? And you can't just RIP, you 651 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,320 know, you just can't like take that away because the bounce 652 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,120 back can cause a lot of problems and you know, sometimes you need 653 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680 that submission. You know, I'm not anti 654 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,200 pharmaceutical in any ways. I think some pharmaceuticals can 655 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,600 be an an absolute awesome bridge. 656 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200 I will tell you an example that I had this year. 657 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,600 I had a dog that was itching, scratching, biting, licking fur 658 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000 was almost gone, right. And I mean, just terrible, 659 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,760 absolutely terrible. And I said, you know, and the 660 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,400 people were upset as well. They were just mentally unwell 661 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,520 about it. OK. 662 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,440 So I said, you know what? I want you to go get one side of 663 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680 point injection. OK, Just one. 664 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,520 Yeah. And I said go get a side of 665 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,800 point injection. I don't want you to get it until 666 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,840 we have him on at least six weeks of herbs. 667 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480 OK, you're going to have to. And I gave him creams and sprays 668 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,000 just to to give some relief to that poor puppy. 669 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,320 We did cite a point. Everyone calm down. 670 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,320 And you know, getting people to calm down is so important for 671 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,160 that dog to recover because they they think like what what what 672 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,560 is happening? Why this person smell like 673 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,920 stress all the time? Then they're all stressed. 674 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,800 Dog calmed right down. We got him past the 12 week 675 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,720 mark. This was like, I think like in 676 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,000 January. They are awesome. 677 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,960 All is well. No more biting, licking, 678 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,600 scratching. Hair has grown, grown back. 679 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,920 Never had another side of point. We reconditioned and modulated 680 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,120 the immune system. We were all perfect. 681 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,400 I only recommended the side of point because everyone was a 682 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,920 mess, an absolute mess. And that was a bridge for me. 683 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160 Like that is a bridge. I am not completely anti 684 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,520 pharmaceutical, but I do think that one, you need to prepare 685 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,160 the body for that. You need to prepare the body to 686 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,120 give it the tools in order to deal with a drug like that. 687 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,480 That means you need to go, you need to look at the side effects 688 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640 of that drug. OK, what are the side effects of 689 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,440 that drug? What can we do to the body to 690 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,440 help it with that drug? Just like a flea, Intycmid. 691 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120 I'm not into those but every now and then people get a flea 692 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,240 infestation they can't get rid of. 693 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,920 OK, the person has fleas, the dog has fleas. 694 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,440 We all have fleas. What can we do? 695 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200 A what's the least toxic out there that can get this 696 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080 situation under control? But before we give that 697 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:25,800 medicine, what can we give herbally to help the body have a 698 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000 non reaction? It's a poison, OK? 699 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,480 It's a nerve toxin. There are many beautiful herbs 700 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,920 out there that can help with a toxic nervous system like so how 701 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,520 can we protect? Can we hug the nervous system 702 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,760 while the flea medicine is doing their work and then get it out, 703 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440 get it out. Let's get those residues out and 704 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,960 keep the flea infestation from happening again. 705 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,080 So like herbs can be used for that purpose. 706 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,800 And in the book, I do cover vaccines. 707 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,440 Like if you have to get a vaccine, let's prepare the body 708 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,800 for the vaccine and let's work later after the vaccine to get 709 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,640 it out, to get out all the adjuncts and residues and all 710 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160 those things. Like, you know, some people have 711 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,600 a Rottweiler that has to get a rabies vaccine Because if they 712 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,280 don't and they do something and someone reports them, like they 713 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,720 charge at a person and all of a sudden they're reported, right? 714 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,440 Because they're scary. And they say, where's your 715 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,800 rabies vaccine? And they don't have it. 716 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,400 That poor dog will get put down, which is So what, you know. 717 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080 Breaks my heart. So some of them have to get a 718 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,120 rabies vaccine. Which giving an aggressively 719 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,440 prone dog a rabies vaccine. To the oxymoron. 720 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,840 In my opinion is not a good idea, but how do we keep it from 721 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,400 happening? So with the rabies vaccine, with 722 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,880 an aggressive dog, we can give a lot of nervous system protection 723 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,520 and work to get that out as soon as possible and minimize the 724 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,960 damage that that vaccine can do. So I cover that in here as well. 725 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,960 So, you know, sometimes pharmaceuticals can be a bridge. 726 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,680 And then, you know, with antibiotics, my opinion is don't 727 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,640 give them unless your dog is going to die. 728 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,200 If your vet says your dog is going to die unless they have 729 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,480 this antibiotic, then give the antibiotic and we have to deal 730 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,560 with the fallout. But for a paw pad, let's exhaust 731 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,080 all other options and the book will give you some options. 732 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,640 Let's let's exhaust all other options. 733 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:43,120 Let's reach out to another a second opinion before we throw 734 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,440 antibiotics at it because a lot of people don't realize that it 735 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,240 is antibiotic. I, you know, if I had the choice 736 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,760 between a Cytopoint injection and a round of antibiotics, I'm 737 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,560 going to choose Cytopoint every day of the week, 365 days a 738 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,720 year. And I don't like Cytopoint. 739 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,680 Yeah, so I would because I would do the same because it's not 740 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,280 going to wipe out my entire immune system in my gut. 741 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,960 And so, and I'm not a fan of any of that. 742 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,000 No. But I'm also I don't have rigid 743 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,520 thinking in that it's never appropriate. 744 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,520 Sometimes acute medicine is necessary and I like the 745 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,720 depiction that you are the illustration you just shared 746 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,520 about you were preparing the body and you were aiding the 747 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,920 body, you know, externally. You were you were preparing it 748 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,040 internally and then you came in with, OK, let's get one side of 749 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,240 point shot, just one and then let's. 750 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:39,440 Continue then we got about 3 months to get this online, you 751 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,960 know, like and I'd much rather a side of point shot than a round 752 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,280 of steroids. So like it, you know, a round of 753 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,000 pred, you know, I much rather what I read. 754 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,080 I'd rather Prednisone than antibiotics any day of the week. 755 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,160 You know, there's there's a hierarchy. 756 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,160 Antibiotics are my least favorite thing. 757 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,800 But like, but they do save lives. 758 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,040 They've saved my life. So I can't say anything, but I 759 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,320 had literally once I learned I had to deal with that, I'm still 760 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,160 dealing with it. But they did save my life and 761 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:15,720 I'm happy to be here. Affection is no fun, but you got 762 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,000 to save it for the big guns. Mine was a big gun, right? 763 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480 It was you're going to die. Oh, OK I'll take it. 764 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,800 Thank you. Hope it works. 765 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:34,360 But yeah, but like 9.999% of the time a dog is not going to die. 766 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,800 That's good, good information. I can't wait to to read the 767 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,280 book. I know, yeah, it's got allergies 768 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,440 going on. Bless you. 769 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,800 Are you OK? Yeah, I had to sneeze. 770 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,360 You need a side a point shot. No, no, no, no, no. 771 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,920 Hey, but that's that. That's what I'm talking about. 772 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,720 Like, yeah, yeah, she's sneezing. 773 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200 You know, let's go get her a cited point shot, you know, 774 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480 prescription. Like, no, not unless it's it's 775 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,760 just, there's just no other way. You got anything? 776 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,880 Just say today you're very quiet. 777 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,280 Very quiet. I'm I'm soaking it all up, but I 778 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,200 would love for you to tell our listeners about the little, 779 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,120 little bonuses that you put in your book about. 780 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080 Cats. I wish I could remember them. 781 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,520 But, well, just the fact that you even include. 782 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,080 Tips. I do, there is some cat bonuses 783 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,360 in here. I would love to see a cat 784 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,600 herbal. I've got some plans for that in 785 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440 the future working with, you know, a couple of people that 786 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,520 love cats possibly, but there's some kitties in here. 787 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:38,080 So kitties are in my dosage section I talk about kitties 788 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,920 being dosed as small dogs and extra small dogs depending on 789 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,200 their weight, right? Average cat usually weighs below 790 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,680 25 lbs, so that's well, yeah, well, I've got a big one. 791 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,600 I've got A1 pounder and Oski is already at 21 lbs. 792 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,320 He's a big boy. And then Carl is, I think he's 793 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,040 11. OK. 794 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,720 So what's that average? Yeah. 795 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,440 An average Kitty and then in the materia medica that means 796 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:12,320 materia medica means resume for an herb in the urban plants and 797 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:19,520 fungi section you have to do the I have and every herb I believe 798 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,760 hold on make sure that I do I can put my money where here it. 799 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,000 Is use for. Cats use for cats, yes. 800 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,800 Use for cats, no. Yes, I have if kitties can use 801 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,200 it and if they cannot use it or some of them I have use this, 802 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,200 use that or use this instead. So yes, I mean, dogs and cats 803 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:46,000 are different species, but a lot of herbal stuff does map over 804 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000 onto kitties. It's just, you know, one, it's a 805 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,160 little harder to get in. Yeah, One, if you have a cat, 806 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,040 make sure you have a pillar. I don't know if you know what a 807 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,240 pillar is, but it's this plastic tube that you put a little pill 808 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,680 in the bottom and you put it in your mouth and you go, my 809 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,280 partner is the best I've ever seen at it. 810 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,800 It's amazing. And then, you know, they do well 811 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,720 with like glycerin extracts. They cats can have alcohol, but 812 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,320 like cat dose is going to be less than three single drops of 813 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,560 any cat I've ever met. So they're just good. 814 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640 It's going to be really low. And so they can have all of that 815 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,520 stuff. It's kind of hard to get them to 816 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,160 eat a powder. They are like, no, I'm not 817 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,760 eating that. And so, you know, I just can't 818 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,680 get a pair of Kevlar gloves and call it done. 819 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,840 My secret ingredient is baby food or the the pureed. 820 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,080 Sure you know the. Yep, you have the PA with that. 821 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,920 Yes. Yeah, he gets with his love it. 822 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,080 Yeah. Yeah, he loves it. 823 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,960 I can. Hide. 824 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,600 I can hide herbal tinctures and Gerber baby food meat purees. 825 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,120 I just want to say that Carl. Pam. 826 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,400 Carl, who I rescued from Kerry. Yeah. 827 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:11,240 We don't use the L we got. And he will sit in my arms like 828 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,600 a baby. And I just put it inside of his 829 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,280 mouth and he goes, yes, He never tries to kill me. 830 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,280 My other cat, Bones, who has since passed away, he would try 831 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,240 to kill me. I always had to use oven mitts. 832 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,120 And I'd tell him, I'm like, Bones, I love you, honey, I love 833 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,240 you. And he'd be like, yeah, 834 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,840 whatever. I'm onnie. 835 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,240 Yeah. So. 836 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,280 So yes, kitties are covered. I'm so excited for that. 837 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,840 That's awesome. Yeah, I did not Kitty my Kitty. 838 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,160 Kitty brethren. Yes. 839 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,560 We appreciate that very much. I wanted to add because I heard 840 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,480 someone else recently tell me when they're trying to give 841 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:59,000 herbs to their cats, they will use ghee or like a melted ghee 842 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,040 underneath of their whatever their raw food or their canned 843 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,400 food, whatever they're eating. And apparently that works fairly 844 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,200 well. Nice. 845 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,760 I don't know. Yeah, my cats don't like it. 846 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,000 Hey Donna, my cats like butter, but that would be another 847 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000 option. Just regular, you know, grass 848 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,080 fed butter. Yeah, I'd say, you know, give 849 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,800 try, try whatever works with cats. 850 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,800 Cats are, they're so they're just, you know, they're just 851 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,440 different. They are. 852 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,480 They're not small dogs. No, they are not small dogs. 853 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,640 It's true they are not small dogs, even though Oski's kind of 854 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,280 like a. Dog, they're, they're wired more 855 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,840 for their survival instincts, I think are just so much greater 856 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,520 than dogs. They are, you know, they're very 857 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,640 protective. Yeah. 858 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,080 They got big eyes. They do. 859 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,520 You're almost on the big eye. What is that got to do with 860 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,280 herbs? Doing OK? 861 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,920 Let's get back on crack. Well, I think that you've 862 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,480 covered so, so much. One of the things that I know I, 863 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,720 I didn't ask you the last time we spoke and we haven't brought 864 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,840 up today is finding like high quality herbs say like, even 865 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,880 though you say, OK, this herb, you decide you, you look through 866 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,320 the book, you read through the book, you're, you find an herb 867 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,600 that you're like, OK, I think I want to try this for my pet. 868 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,360 Like what kind of recommendations do you have for 869 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,160 sourcing if people can't grow their own stuff? 870 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,120 I'm so. Glad you asked that Jessica. 871 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:42,600 The book has a website called The Herbal Dog and it, it has a 872 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,560 sourcing section which is going to be growing and growing and 873 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,320 growing as as time goes on. I have some sourcing in there, 874 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,200 but you just go to the website, go under sourcing and there's 875 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,400 sourcing for Canada, the UK, Australia and United States. 876 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,560 Nice, beautiful, very nice. And do you think it could 877 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,880 possibly be safe for people to start in their own herb cabinet 878 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,000 like whatever they have already to is? 879 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,760 Is that safe to do? Yeah, absolutely. 880 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,080 Yeah. Start looking at what you got. 881 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,000 I've got more than you can ever imagine. 882 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,760 I bet you do. I am ready for the apocalypse if 883 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,280 it ever happens. But does it rotate? 884 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,840 No, I don't have the rotating. Plate. 885 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,840 I do have a Lazy Susan on my my dining room table though. 886 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,680 I do have that so I could there. We need to get together and play 887 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,160 some cards and have the Lazy Susan rotational herbs. 888 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,880 It's just everyone loses. Takes a head of the teacher. 889 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,120 Yes, I like it. I like it. 890 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,880 OK. I have one more question and I 891 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,720 don't think that recovered it, but it does go back to some of 892 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,800 the things that you were talking about regarding, you know, when 893 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,280 a trip to the traditional veterinarian may be necessary, 894 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,720 when a prescription or a cyto point shot or whatever may be 895 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,840 necessary. And this is a question that 896 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,360 personally I have, I always second guess myself. 897 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,440 And this came up yesterday in the store and I was talking with 898 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,440 a pet parent and the her particular dog is 8 years old, 899 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,440 had liver failure over a year ago and has since been on three 900 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,160 prescriptions and has never come off of them. 901 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,360 And my same Aussie that I mentioned earlier, 13 year old 902 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,240 Charlie, he went into liver failure and was hours away from 903 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:48,440 dying at the age of 1 1/2. And that's when I learned my 904 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,760 very first herb that I learned about was milk Thistle to help 905 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,680 support the liver. And you know, I didn't at the 906 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,720 time, I didn't jump in and start studying about nutrition or 907 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,840 holistic anything at the time. I just happened. 908 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,760 I don't know where I even heard about milk Thistle to support 909 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:12,840 the liver, but this dog again, 3 / a year three medication, she 910 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,920 said that they were about to get ready to stop and they, she had 911 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,280 kind of relapsed and her liver enzymes were elevated again. 912 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,360 And so they said do not come off of the medication. 913 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,120 And so I was talking with her and I said, well, what changed? 914 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,120 Because that just seems really unusual that it would just spike 915 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,520 for no reason. And she's like nothing. 916 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,280 And I asked this question all the time and I said, did you 917 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,760 give flea, tick and heartworm medicine? 918 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,480 And yes, yeah, yeah. Your face. 919 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,080 If if our podcasts are you know listeners, you know are. 920 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,160 Just yeah, that's pretty hard on the liver. 921 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,000 So it's hard on the liver and kidneys. 922 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,080 Yes, not. Necessarily the depending on the 923 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,400 heart like it was just ivermectin, it's Ivermectin is 924 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,560 pretty benign. It's not that bad at all. 925 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,440 But if it was like trifecta or something, that dog should not 926 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,520 not be on any of those with any type of liver failure problems. 927 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,760 That's what I I said. You know you're smart. 928 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,520 But you know, you should give milk Thistle along with those. 929 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,120 I mean I would tell her I can't tell someone to go off 930 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,360 pharmaceuticals but like if I was a friend I would tell her 931 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:29,640 that and if she can't then give milk Thistle 2 weeks before and 932 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,800 six weeks after. Yes, So that's what my question 933 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,680 was, is about that interaction. That's where I was leading is, 934 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,280 you know, OK, more than likely that's flea, tick and heartworm 935 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,440 that trifects. This medication is what spiked 936 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,520 those liver enzymes that she was never told to stop using them, 937 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,600 although she had stopped and then they came in on an auto 938 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,000 shipment that her husband, she's not going to. 939 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,080 She's not. Going to be told to stop. 940 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,760 No, she's not. And so that's where we we tell 941 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,280 them to stop constantly. And then I said, but and I was 942 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,720 talking to her about milk Thistle and I said, but do your 943 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,200 research. And this is where I always 944 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,160 second guess that interaction because I'm not trained in 945 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,040 pharmacy, I'm not trained veterinarian. 946 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,560 But do I think logically plants don't interact with medications? 947 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,400 But I also, I think, OK, I was going to say, I think I've heard 948 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,520 you say before if this then don't do that. 949 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,960 So can you talk about that for us? 950 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,200 Yes, I mean, all, all Urbs could enter, interact with certain 951 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,400 medications. There's some medications that 952 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,360 work on the port, the four P-450 pathway like St. 953 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,840 John's, Wharton, some other ones that you can't use with any 954 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,840 pharmaceuticals. There's a few of them, a lot of 955 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,520 them, but I have that in the book. 956 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,880 Never if they what, what types of medicines that they interfere 957 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,520 with. So yeah, you want to look at, if 958 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,640 your dog's on pharmaceuticals, you definitely want to look at 959 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,400 that. And you can, you can usually 960 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,480 find that out. But I do cover it in my book and 961 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,200 I cover all, the, all the herbs that I talked about in my book. 962 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,640 I I tell you if they what they interfere with. 963 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,680 Excellent. Thank you. 964 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,960 I wanted to be sure and cover that and and again, when this 965 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,840 comes out, your book will have been released so they can get it 966 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,000 at the Herbal dog.com. They can get it anywhere they 967 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,440 buy a book. OK. 968 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,360 It is not self published or anything. 969 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,560 So it's published by my publisher Inner Traditions in 970 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,880 Vermont and it's it's available in Australia and the UK and 971 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,760 Canada and America and everywhere. 972 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,000 Anywhere you buy books, you you'll be able to get it at the 973 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,720 the herbal dog.com and my other websites. 974 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,360 You will definitely be able to buy it anywhere Your local 975 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,520 bookstore can order it for you. If they don't have it, you can 976 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,400 encourage them to carry it. I think you can. 977 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,320 Just come to. Georgetown and do a book 978 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,840 signing. Yes. 979 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,840 Georgetown. Where's you mean in the DC? 980 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,160 Texas. We're north of Austin. 981 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,240 We're Central Texas. Would you like to? 982 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,400 Come. How far is that from? 983 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,080 20 miles north. Consider it done, ladies. 984 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,280 Come on. Yes, Why don't you send me an 985 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,040 e-mail about that? You can stay with me. 986 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,280 Yeah, consider it done. Send me an e-mail. 987 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,240 We'll put it on the schedule. Nice, and we can host it at my 988 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,920 store. Yes, yes, yes, I have two. 989 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,560 Of them, OK. I just have to. 990 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,080 I have to. I remember when my sister, I was 991 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,440 in San Antonio and my sister's air conditioner went out, 992 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,680 thought I was going to die. I thought were I was in the car 993 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,680 with the air conditioning going, how am I going to get home? 994 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,040 Our flight doesn't leave for a week. 995 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,120 I'm going to die. I've got it, you know, And I 996 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,680 didn't even think about going to a hotel because I was young with 997 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,960 my family and I didn't have that type of money. 998 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,440 And I was like, Oh my God, we're going to die here. 999 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,360 Yeah. Yep, you would have the last. 1000 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,720 Time I was in Texas, too. I haven't been to Texas in a 1001 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,960 long time. No, yeah. 1002 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,880 Yeah, consider it done. We'll we'll make that happen. 1003 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,520 That'll be fun. Jessica, you're still muted. 1004 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,680 Sorry I got your lips. Oh my gosh, I. 1005 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,600 Know, I know there's just so much background noise here. 1006 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:20,200 I'm sorry. Yes, there there's a requirement 1007 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,120 if you live in Texas that you you have to have air 1008 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:29,480 conditioning so hot in the summer because it's unbearable. 1009 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,480 And of course, it's most likely going to be in the summer, so 1010 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,640 send me an e-mail and we'll figure that out. 1011 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,880 But if I can go to Super Zoo, I can do this. 1012 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,960 You can do Texas. You can for sure. 1013 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,640 Absolutely. So OK, you are, you have the the 1014 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,000 book. The book is, the book is now 1015 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,680 out. You can get it anywhere you buy 1016 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,320 books, you're going on tour. So check the herbal dog.com to 1017 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,720 see if Rita is coming anywhere near you and make sure to get it 1018 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,080 to because I'm sure that if tickets are involved, they will 1019 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,040 go very, very quickly. Some events have tickets and 1020 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,480 usually it covers a book or and if you you know, if you already 1021 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,800 have a book then you know you can work it out with the store 1022 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,680 and then some events don't. So it just depends on what does 1023 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,160 the host wants to do. Yeah, yes. 1024 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,440 And then I know you have other things going on. 1025 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,960 At the very beginning of this episode, you mentioned a 1026 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,760 monograph that you did. So can you tell us a little bit 1027 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,680 about the other offerings you have? 1028 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,040 I can tell you what I got. So I have a school. 1029 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,200 I just started a school. It's called the Ethos School of 1030 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,800 Canine Herbalistic Canine Herbalism, but it's at 1031 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,880 canineherbalism.com and you can take single classes, you can 1032 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,840 study to become a canine herbalist. 1033 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,920 You could do a lot of things that's going to be growing and I 1034 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,880 because I have a lot of stuff going on there. 1035 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,640 So canineherbalism.com and then I have Canine herbalist.com. 1036 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,600 That's my store and consulting. And then on my Canine Herbalism 1037 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,640 platform, I have a subscription group for $15.00 a month where 1038 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,120 you can ask me any question you want. 1039 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,880 It's the best way to get ahold of me and it's super economical 1040 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,880 and it's like having an herbalist on call. 1041 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,120 And then I have a monthly monograph subscription service 1042 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,200 that's $12.00 a month, and each month we deal with a different 1043 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,840 plant. And that's just a way to support 1044 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,200 my work and get a lot of good monographs for plants. 1045 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,000 So those are fun. Remember, it's a resume of a 1046 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,440 plant, tells you all the stuff you need to know to use it. 1047 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,880 And then I have dental health class, I have a flea class, I 1048 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,760 have a phytoembryonic therapy class, which is another story. 1049 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,800 And I have a level 1 herbalism course too. 1050 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,520 And then I have a a podcast that's free called Dogs or 1051 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,480 Individuals. It's every week wherever you get 1052 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,760 podcasts. I'm on socials at Canine 1053 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,360 Herbalist under Instagram and Facebook. 1054 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,560 And I have a private Facebook group and I'm going to have a 1055 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,920 book study group that's at the herbal dog on Facebook. 1056 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,920 So that's a lot going on. Yeah, it's a lot. 1057 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,600 And then you have to record the audio version. 1058 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,080 Yes, Oh my God, yes. We got invited to be on Audible, 1059 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,480 you know, like invited to the Audible studios. 1060 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,640 So I'm excited about that. I'm going to record my own book 1061 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,920 and then it will be on all the book audio platforms. 1062 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,840 I'm excited about that. I don't know when that's going 1063 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,480 to happen or how soon, but it will happen this year. 1064 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,600 So we're very. And when you run into Mel 1065 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,680 Robbins, she's going to love you and bring you on her podcast. 1066 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,400 Right, we'll just like be in the same city or something. 1067 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,400 Yes, yes. Well, she is Miss Audible. 1068 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,240 I think so. OK. 1069 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,360 Rita, one question just for our listeners. 1070 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,080 You do consultations for cats too, right? 1071 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,280 I do. OK. 1072 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,520 I do. I do do consultations for cats. 1073 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,520 OK, just wanted the people to know. 1074 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,720 Yeah, yeah, awesome. So awesome. 1075 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,040 Well, Rita, I can't thank you enough for coming on, sharing 1076 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,400 your knowledge for everything, all of your hard work, sweat, 1077 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,120 blood, sweat, tears that I know went into this book and 1078 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,160 everything else that you do. And I just want to say thank you 1079 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,120 again for being here with all of us. 1080 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,920 You are welcome. Thank you, pet Health Jumpies. 1081 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,680 Thank you. All right, guys, we'll talk to 1082 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,760 you next time. OK, bye, bye.