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Welcome back, Pat Peron. 
I'm really excited for today's 

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guest because she's amazing is 
she's been through so much in 

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such a short time with her dogs 
and it LED her down a path not 

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that unsimilar from mine. 
Bree Drake with tails. 

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Well, Health, thank you so much 
for being here today. 

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How are you? 
I'm so good. 

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Thank you. 
And before we get into anything 

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else, I just want to say thank 
you because this is all kind of 

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come full circle. 
I was listening to your podcast 

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and that's how I found out about
Doctor Ruth Roberts coaching 

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program and they're listening to
your podcast and having you 

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mentor me through that. 
Like I owe you so much for what 

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where I where this journey has 
led me. 

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So I have to give you a lot of 
credit for that. 

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That's so sweet. 
Yeah. 

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You've shaped a lot of who I am 
on this journey and how I look 

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at things. 
And thank you. 

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I mean, thank you. 
That is so, so very sweet. 

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But honestly, you still did all 
the work. 

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So that's why you're here and 
that matters, doing the work. 

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So I know, I mean, I got to know
you through the course and that 

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was amazing. 
You were such a sweet, wonderful

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person. 
So it was like a no brainer for 

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me. 
I mean, obviously I have a lot 

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of students that go through the 
program. 

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They're all wonderful and some 
go on to do really well and 

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create amazing businesses and 
some are happy just kind of 

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helping their friends and 
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There's nothing wrong with that,
but you're really out there on 

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social media and really kind of 
jumped right into you seem to be

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handling the really deep waters 
very, I want to say 

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effortlessly, but I'm sure 
there's like internal turmoil 

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that you have to deal with 
because I've been there. 

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I still go through that. 
When you put a post out and it 

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has, you know, your heart and 
soul wrapped into it and you 

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just get so many trolls and 
haters, but you still keep 

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showing up and you're just like,
no, this is my truth. 

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And I love that so much about 
you and about the content you're

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putting out. 
So first of all, if you're not 

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following Bree on Instagram, 
please go do so at Tails Well 

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Health. 
It is Tails well Health. 

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Is all it is. 
It is. 

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I mean, obviously you're, you're
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Anyway, I didn't learn until 
after you graduated that you're 

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also a designer, which makes so 
much sense with how amazingly 

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beautiful your social is. 
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Thank you. 
Yeah, it's definitely, it's 

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definitely been a journey. 
Everything in life has been such

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a journey for me. 
I didn't definitely started out 

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on a very different path. 
I went to school for accounting 

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and finance and did that for 
about 10-11 years and met my 

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husband, married him and then I 
did start doing freelance 

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graphic design work. 
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photography work and I was 
actually photographing dogs for 

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a while. 
When COVID happened, I was 

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forced to do something a little 
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from home. 
So I started a graphic design 

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business and that became very 
successful very quick, which is 

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unexpected, a complete flip flop
from what I was doing, very 

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analytical brain, you know, in 
my creative, obviously I was 

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suppressing a lot of my creative
talents because that that career

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really blossomed and I still do 
that now, but trying to put a 

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lot more focus on this work, you
know, helping people better care

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for their dogs. 
It's, it's my main passion. 

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So I have a lot of daily 
struggles with keeping my 

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graphic design business going 
and paying the bills and helping

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dog parents because I love it so
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And I definitely definitely 
trust where my path has led me 

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for sure. 
And of course, you didn't 

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mention the beautiful home 
you're in that that y'all have 

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built as well, which you don't 
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But I noticed it and it is 
gorgeous and I'm really excited 

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for everything going on in your 
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But what was it that it helped 
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What was it that made you like 
go down the road of I want to, I

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want to do this because I know I
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there have been some issues. 
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about what you're comfortable 
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I know this can be a really hard
topic to talk about, but there 

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have been some issues and I feel
like the more stories we can 

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tell, the more people connect to
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And so whatever you're 
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love to hear. 
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And I've definitely had my 
concerns, but I've never told 

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this story in this kind of a 
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But I'll try to keep it brief. 
I'm so long winded, like, thank 

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God for APT to help me condense 
things because I have a very 

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hard time with that. 
But you know, I had two very 

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beautiful special golden 
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I actually had a male golden 
retriever named Skip going into 

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my marriage, and my husband had 
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Anne, who's four years older 
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So, you know, we made a very 
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husband and I. 
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lives revolved around them. 
They went on so many fishing and

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camping and surfing adventures 
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I mean, they were luckily enough
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of life. 
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get older and with Anne getting 
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some arthritis issues and I'm 
just really stiff, having a hard

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time getting up and down and 
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So I took her to see a 
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area and he tried putting her on
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life. 
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He did some X-rays and some 
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evidence of cruciate ligament 
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hip dysplasia, that that was his
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But as as close minded as he 
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mindedness in there because he 
did recommend acupuncture to me.

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And it was through that vet that
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that I was just my whole world 
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veterinary care could be. 
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That vet sat me down and talked 
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even did any of the acupuncture 
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Talked about Anne's diet, talked
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what I was feeding her. 
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She made me realize, I mean, all
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had previously seen just 
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the best. 
This is how dogs are. 

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This is just her getting old. 
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that changed everything. 
And she convinced me to switch 

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them from a kibble diet to a 
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So I did that for both dogs and 
saw such drastic changes in just

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a couple weeks. 
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just be sold on the whole thing.
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into it more. 
I read the Forever Dog book, 

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started listening to podcasts 
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Doctor Judy Morgan, and just 
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around this. 
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everything. 
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I was mostly, I was curious, but
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realized that so much of what I 
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I mean, they were my top 
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life. 
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I trusted with their health were
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best information was just such a
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the face. 
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overwhelmed and tried to slowly 
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pace. 
The forever dog life will really

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overwhelm me when you read it 
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Yeah, got my own pace. 
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over to an entirely raw diet. 
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prevention. 
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I mean, they're both seniors at 
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beyond immune and fine. 
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months or so after making all 
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was diagnosed with oral cancer. 
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really bad, took her into that 
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confirmed that she had oral 
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So that was hard. 
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when she was diagnosed. 
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too hard on myself. 
I knew and I still trusted in 

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all of this holistic lifestyle 
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I knew that it just it takes a 
long time to undo the years of 

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doing things the wrong way, the 
year of toxic toxic build up 

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that was hard to take. 
So I ended up and you can stop 

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me. 
I feel like I'm rambling. 

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On go ahead. 
That's great. 

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I mean, that's. 
So, yeah, when she was diagnosed

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with cancer, that obviously hit 
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Last thing I expected because I 
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things right. 
This feels so good. 

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So it kind of took some wind out
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was not going to go chemo route,
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She was too old. 
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subject a dog to that anyway. 
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that, you know, She told me. 
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specialist or specialized in 
Chinese medicine, she still was 

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very traditional and 
conventional and she didn't have

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a lot of other tools in her 
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So she told me that if I wasn't 
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that my list of options was very
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So that left me feeling helpless
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I spent every spare second I had
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figure out how I could help her.
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frustrated and I almost went 
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appointment with an oncologist. 
I reached out to them and 

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everything, like, you know what,
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I need some more guidance. 
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guess myself, like maybe I 
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if there's surgery options, see 
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radiation. 
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intervention. 
I listened to one of Doctor Judy

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Morgan's podcast episodes 
interviewing Dr. Judy Jasik, and

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anyone listening knows that she 
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She specializes in canine 
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She's brilliant, and listening 
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timed. 
I immediately scheduled an 

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appointment with her and she 
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can support our dogs with cancer
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diagnosed Anne's cancer let me 
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only live 60 days or so if I 
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treatments. 
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focusing on the body as a whole 
and not attacking the cancer, we

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were able to keep her for an 
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incredible. 
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Anne's cancer journey, we were 
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And a couple months later, while
we were traveling, while we were

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on the road, our dog Skip had an
emergency situation where he 

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just, he was refusing to eat. 
And I knew something was really 

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wrong with him. 
We were in the middle of nowhere

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in New Mexico and we took him to
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And they, you know, I didn't 
expect that it would be anything

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super serious. 
I thought he was just 

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dehydrated, got into something 
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We've been bouncing around a 
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So I was just thinking, God only
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into here. 
So I went into it a little 

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concerned because he had never 
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life. 
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into one of the exam rooms and 
hit with the hard news that he 

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had a mass on his spleen that 
had ruptured and that was what 

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made him weak and lethargic and 
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So Long story short, they kind 
of backed me in the corner, used

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a lot of fear and me being on 
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so scared he was going to, you 
know, have have a major incident

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while we're on the road. 
So I went ahead and went through

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with splenectomy surgery while 
we were on the road and he had 

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to spend 3 days there getting 
pumped full of all kinds of 

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anesthesia and antibiotics and 
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Just a very stressful situation 
for him and a situation where he

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was already not feeling himself.
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around that. 
I never, I'll never know if that

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was the right decision or not. 
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through with that surgery and we
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So I have to be thankful for 
that. 

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later he did end up collapsing 
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much himself and playing and 
like nothing was wrong. 

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He literally went out one day 
chasing a ball. 

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So yeah, that's the shortest 
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and ends. 
You know I'm going to cry, so 

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maybe you're going to cry. 
I'm trying to mentally. 

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No, that's so hard with our 
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Oh my gosh, it was terrible, 
terrible thing to go through. 

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ourselves and which we finally 
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down. 
We knew she was ready and it was

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very peaceful and very plan. 
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situation where we, you know, 
for that six weeks, we were 

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still traveling on the road, we 
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river. 
And I was just everyday thinking

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he could die while we're out 
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And, you know, it was just 
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just a couple of minutes, I was 
so worried he could be gone 

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because that was very much the 
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But it worked out beautifully to
where, you know, he was 

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literally playing with a ball at
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He got a little weak, collapsed,
and we tried to get him to an 

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emergency vet. 
He actually passed in in the car

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on the way. 
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with him. 
You know, I'm. 

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I'm thankful that we didn't make
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have rushed him into surgery and
he likely would have just died 

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with a bunch of strangers around
him. 

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Yeah. 
So, yeah, it was a really, a 

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really tough time to go through.
I mean, that that'll happen 

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between about April and 
December. 

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And Skip was diagnosed in June, 
so, and he passed in July. 

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So he and Anne both pass within 
five months of each other. 

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And I was thinking, yes, we, we 
had this four year age gap. 

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And I thought for sure, OK, 
well, when Anne finally goes, 

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we'll have Skip for a little 
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We'll get another pot, then 
we'll just keep overlapping and 

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everything will be OK. 
But it, it flipped our whole 

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world's upside down to have Skip
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cancer and leave us so quickly. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, I'm so sorry. 
I mean, I know you were going 

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through the course with some of 
that and it was, it was tough. 

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It was tough even trying to 
think of like things to 

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recommend and like, I don't want
to mess this up. 

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But I mean, I think, I think you
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and with both of them. 
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that, you know, like you said, 
it takes time when we have 

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raised our pets conventionally 
for so long, like it just, it 

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really takes time to to get back
to a place of health, of 

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vitality. 
And yes, we can see some amazing

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improvements in a very short 
period of time, but that doesn't

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mean that all of the systems in 
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And detoxing is, is a very, to 
me, a very interesting thing 

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because it's, there are 
different phases of detoxing and

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we don't have a whole lot of 
control over it. 

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Like we can support our body and
our dogs bodies and our cats 

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bodies in various ways, but it's
like we kind of have to almost 

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hope for the best that the body 
is going to work the way it's 

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supposed to work and just kind 
of know where to put the energy 

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and the nutrients. 
And it really, one of the things

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I was actually just talking 
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recording I was just doing 
before this is that it's really 

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easy for somebody on the 
outside, somebody who isn't 

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involved or even somebody who 
maybe just found natural 

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medicine or holistic modalities 
to try it for a while. 

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And then something bad happens 
and they're like, oh, well, that

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didn't work. 
That's not the right way to go. 

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So I really appreciate that that
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you realized that this takes 
time. 

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They had a lifetime, a long 
lifetime of toxin buildup of the

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poor nutrition because of the 
commercial foods. 

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There was so much to overcome 
that like your mind didn't 

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immediately jump to, oh, this 
doesn't work. 

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There's something to be said 
about that because I think not 

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every, especially somebody on 
the outside who doesn't 

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appreciate natural remedies and 
holistic modalities, for 

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somebody like that to look and 
point and say, we'll see, you 

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should have just done what the 
doctor said, yes. 

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Yeah, yeah, that was something. 
I just trusted it all so much. 

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I understood that. 
But you're right. 

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There's so many people that that
don't get that. 

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And it's there's, there's we 
have this allopathic way of 

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thinking just by how we've been 
generationally conditioned to to

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care for dogs. 
So there's something hard to 

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overcome. 
And I guess I don't give myself 

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enough credit for for doing 
that. 

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Yeah, I absolutely knew it was 
not any at any fault of not 

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doing conventional treatment for
them. 

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And actually, I blame this, the 
surgery process for how short 

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lived skips time was after or 
after we found out. 

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Something in me still thinks 
that if I would have just held 

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back a little and wait, took a 
breath and got a second opinion,

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that he might have stuck around 
a little longer without, you 

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know, without that intervention.
But yeah. 

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Yeah, I mean, nobody can blame. 
I certainly can't blame you for 

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going. 
I'm sure I probably would have 

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done the exact same thing 
because that's scary. 

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And they are really, especially 
at like an emergency veterinary 

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office, they are so good at 
scaring you. 

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I don't know if they intend to 
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it's just because they're so 
calloused because they see so 

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much constantly. 
Like they just have this 

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constant onslaught of trauma 
that they really do, I think, 

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get calloused. 
And like, if you don't listen to

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them, they're like, well, you're
just the worst person in the 

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world because you're not 
listening to me. 

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That's. 
What it feels like, yeah, I 

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mean, all I kept thinking in the
back of my head was, gosh, I 

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need to get Doctor Judy Jasik on
the phone. 

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But nature of that, if she's not
on call for me, I would have to 

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have scheduled an appointment 
and hoped that she could maybe 

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see me that next day. 
And meanwhile, it's late at 

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night, we're in the middle of 
nowhere and this emergency 

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surgeon is telling me that if we
don't let him stay tonight and 

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book him for surgery in the 
morning, that they can't 

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guarantee they would get him in.
So it was very much that I was, 

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I felt like I, my hands were 
tied and I was back into a 

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corner. 
But still, it may have been the 

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right choice. 
And regardless, we did get 6 

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great weeks with him. 
I know with Hemangios sarcoma, a

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lot of people don't get that. 
A lot of people find out when 

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it's too late and that's usually
the case. 

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Manchester coma. 
So very lucky. 

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But yeah, so I I chunked along 
after that after losing both of 

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them. 
I had you know, I I have a 

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social media following and a 
very different world is centered

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around my dogs that mostly in 
the fishing and outdoor world. 

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And I started working with a raw
dog food brand. 

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I don't think I'll say it here 
for a little while because I did

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become quickly passionate about 
about feeding our dogs fresh 

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food and caring for our dogs 
naturally. 

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I decided, you know, I have two 
large dogs to feed. 

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Let me work with this brand so I
can afford to feed both of them 

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a really good diet. 
So I worked with them for a 

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while and I was sharing a lot of
the information I was learning 

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with that following that I had 
been building over the last 5-10

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years to a very different 
audience. 

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I had a lot of dog parents that 
were following me, but I learned

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quickly that this can be off 
putting. 

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Some people aren't really ready 
to to hear this information, to 

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hear that they have to spend 
more money on feeding their 

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dogs, to hear that they should 
maybe question over vaccinating 

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or their flea in sick for that 
It is So I learned really quick 

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that it's not for everyone and I
should have continued to just 

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push it on everybody in 
retrospect. 

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But I did wanted to start a 
whole community just dedicated 

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to the dog health, the holistic 
dog health, so. 

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In order to do that, I knew that
I would get a lot of backlash 

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for not being a veterinarian, 
for not having DDM. 

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So that is where I I didn't 
really know what direction to go

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with that. 
I obviously wasn't going to go 

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back to. 
I didn't want to go to vet 

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school. 
I didn't want to become 

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indoctrinated. 
That's something I'm thankful 

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for every day. 
I didn't want to be a vet when I

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was younger, and I had a lot of 
regret throughout my whole life 

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that I didn't go to veterinary 
school. 

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But I'm very thankful it didn't 
work out that way because it's 

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come full circle and I'm right 
where I needed to be. 

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But so I didn't know what steps 
to take next or how I could. 

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I can get knowledge to feel 
comfortable starting a whole 

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account centered around holistic
dog health, and that's where I'm

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listening to your podcast. 
I came across an episode, 

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actually, I'll take that back. 
It was Angelina Ardolino's 

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podcast and you were being 
interviewed and she was talking 

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to you after program. 
And I was like, Oh my gosh, this

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is exactly what I've been 
looking for. 

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I just the opportunity to to 
learn from someone with as much 

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experience as Doctor Ruth and as
much experience as yourself. 

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Yeah, I, I figured out it's 
expensive as it was. 

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And as much as I didn't have the
time for it, I'm like, I have to

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do this. 
This will make me have a good 

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leg to stand on when sharing 
this information. 

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It would just make me feel 
better. 

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And I thought it would help 
relieve me of some of the the 

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backlash. 
Like it does not it actually, 

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you know, people will find a way
to discredit you, and they 

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definitely have. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, for sure. 
It's, it's interesting because 

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I, I feel the same way. 
Like when I was a little girl, I

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wanted to be a veterinarian. 
So I always felt badly that 

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that's not the route that I 
took. 

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Even though I went to college, I
did the, I did all the things 

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and I always kind of was like, 
man, I should have like that was

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my dream. 
But now looking back, and I have

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talked to a few veterinarians 
about this on the podcast, and I

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also talked to Doctor Judy's 
daughter Gwen about it because 

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there was, I remember it was 
during COVID, I think there was 

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talk about the federal 
government subsidizing people to

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go into veterinary school 
programs because of the shortage

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of people going through, because
of the veterinarian shortage. 

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And I actually talked to Gwen 
about it and I was like, I heard

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this and I was like, you were 
the first person I thought of. 

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I was like, are would you do it?
And she's like hell. 

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No, I know. 
Yeah. 

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I couldn't either. 
It's just that you're right, the

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indoctrination, after having 
talked to so many veterinarians 

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who look back and say, like, I 
specifically Doctor Josie Bug, I

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was like, she spent her whole 
life in nature very holistically

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minded. 
And I was like, how did you make

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it through veterinary school? 
And she was like, it was hard. 

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That was the hardest part. 
The resisting indoctrination for

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her was the hardest part. 
And I feel, I feel for 

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veterinarians, but I also have 
this like resistance that I'm 

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like, but you still have the 
ability to think for yourself. 

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You should, you should still 
have the ability to think for 

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yourself. 
Unfortunately, some of them do. 

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And then we get to know them. 
Exactly. 

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Yeah, I was talking to someone 
recently who I think was a vet 

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tech in the vet world for a long
time. 

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And her husband finally 
convinced her to leave because 

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of this, the toxicity of the 
work environment and because he 

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knew she could tell her 
integrity was being challenged 

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every day. 
She she saw it. 

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She saw what was happening. 
And I think that's the problem 

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with a lot of our vets, I feel, 
I feel badly for them because 

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there are some where and they're
just stuck, you know, whether it

450
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,280
be financially or just the 
indoctrination. 

451
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,760
It's, it's terrible. 
It's a really terrible thing to 

452
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,280
be so mad at them but also have 
so much compassion for them at 

453
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,120
the same time. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

454
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:25,320
That's where I'm at for sure 
moving forward. 

455
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,800
You now haven't and I, I wanted 
to say earlier and I, I 

456
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,120
completely forgot like not for 
nothing because goldens are kind

457
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:38,800
of known for cancer. 
So this isn't like you did all 

458
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,760
the right things and still like 
goldens are known for this. 

459
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,080
This is this isn't like, you 
know, you probably did get, like

460
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,160
you said a lot more time with 
them then you otherwise would 

461
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,400
have because of the things that 
you did. 

462
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,840
And I want to acknowledge that 
as well, just in case people 

463
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,320
were like still hung up on the 
maybe you should go 

464
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,320
conventionally. 
No, no, I don't think you 

465
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,280
should. 
No, I mean, they're predisposed 

466
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,720
for sure to getting cancer, but 
as you know, I think there's a 

467
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,680
lot we can control to prevent it
from happening or at least delay

468
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,840
it from happening to them much. 
A golden person. 

469
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
I have a golden pup now that I'm
trying to do everything right 

470
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,560
with as much as I possibly can. 
But yeah, we still can't 

471
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,520
control, but ultimately happens.
Yeah, and that's where I want to

472
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:38,200
go because adorable little not 
so little anymore has been 

473
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,680
growing up on social media. 
Yeah. 

474
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:48,840
And I love watching him grow up.
I am such a happy fiend. 

475
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,280
I will admit I have never in my 
life. 

476
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,320
I just have. 
I've always done rescue work 

477
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840
before getting into this. 
And so I always wind up adopting

478
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,440
older animals because I know, 
like, I just know that they 

479
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,440
don't get the same attention, 
have the same adoption rates. 

480
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,160
And so I have never in my life 
had a puppy. 

481
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,080
So I watch puppies grow up on 
social media and I'm so jealous 

482
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,000
because I'm like, maybe next 
time. 

483
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240
But then there's like this 
little heart string that's like,

484
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,360
no, you're going to go and adopt
the oldest dog as a shelf. 

485
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:21,720
Like, I just know that's what 
I'm going to do. 

486
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,280
That's it really is, but. 
Yeah. 

487
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,360
So Pine has been growing up on 
social media and you have 

488
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,920
putting been putting out some 
really amazing content. 

489
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,800
And I would love to know like 
what you, what you've been doing

490
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840
differently with Pine from the 
very beginning. 

491
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Yeah, and that was kind of 
another goal of starting a 

492
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,760
separate community as I wanted 
it to really be focused around 

493
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,560
following someone. 
You know, I always wanted 

494
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
someone like me to show what 
they were doing with their pup 

495
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,560
from the very beginning and, you
know, empowering me and giving 

496
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,720
confidence. 
So, so that was my goal with 

497
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,160
with Pine and this community is 
to kind of walk people through 

498
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,480
what we're doing differently. 
So the scariest thing that I 

499
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
took on was the natural immunity
approach. 

500
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600
We didn't do any of the puppy 
vaccines and that was something 

501
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,880
I was very careful with because 
I don't it is a delicate path to

502
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,040
take. 
It's not for everyone and it 

503
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,800
shouldn't be taken lightly. 
So we did do that and I did keep

504
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,920
it pretty quiet for the first 
several months at least until I 

505
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,360
got him titer tested and was 
able to prove that he could 

506
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,080
achieve immunity naturally. 
I trusted all the science and 

507
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560
all the research and trusted 
people I had talked to that had 

508
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,080
done it as well. 
But it was still a daunting 

509
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:47,840
thing to take on because parvo 
is very real and is fatal. 

510
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,080
It's very scary and could very 
easily have still happened. 

511
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,120
So we did that together. 
That was something I did 

512
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,520
differently. 
And again, I don't really talk 

513
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200
about it publicly too much. 
When I talk one-on-one with 

514
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,800
people, if it's something 
they're interested in, we'll 

515
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,760
talk through that together just 
so I can make sure that they're 

516
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,280
doing it correctly and that they
have a good holistic or 

517
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,960
homeopathic vet on call should 
anything go awry. 

518
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,120
So we've done that and he's been
raw fed since the beginning. 

519
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,960
I actually got him from a 
natural ring breeder. 

520
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,080
The, the cancer diagnosis and 
losing skip and, and to cancer 

521
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,960
traumatized me. 
So I made sure to get him from a

522
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,640
breeder that started feeding raw
from the start, left vaccine 

523
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,280
decisions up to me. 
So we're doing the raw feeding. 

524
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,800
No flea, tick, heartworm 
preventatives. 

525
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Yeah. 
So we're doing all those things,

526
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,360
and I wanted to showcase too, 
that while we were going through

527
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400
natural immunity that we weren't
living in a bubble either. 

528
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,800
He roams in the woods and eats 
deer poop, eats raccoon poop, 

529
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,480
blankies. 
It's just so wild. 

530
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Happy little puppy. 
A lot of my clients that I 

531
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,440
talked to you about natural 
immunity are so, so worried and,

532
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,520
and deprive their dogs of 
socialization opportunities 

533
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360
because they're so scared. 
So I, I try to give people more 

534
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
confidence that like it's going 
to be OK and this is actually 

535
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
helping to build their immune 
systems along the way. 

536
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,480
As long as you're layering in 
protective measures like nosodes

537
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,080
and some kind of immune support.
Yeah, it's, it's so funny 

538
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,280
because my dog Kim, so she's 
she's 11 1/2 now and she, I have

539
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,760
had a couple of instances over 
the years where she would go in 

540
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400
the cat splitter box. 
She hasn't done it. 

541
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,040
It has been very rare. 
I will say in her life that it 

542
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:39,640
has been very rare. 
And the all the trap in my life 

543
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200
has put me in a very different 
living situation at the moment 

544
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,720
to where my dog and cats are 
living together in a way that 

545
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,400
they haven't lived together 
before. 

546
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,960
And so the litter boxes are much
more accessible for her and she 

547
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,400
has not touched them. 
So like that has made me pretty 

548
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,800
happy. 
I really didn't think a whole 

549
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320
lot about it until I just took 
her over to see my grandparents 

550
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080
last weekend. 
And we spent a lot of time 

551
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,120
outdoors because they live up in
the Smoky Mountains on top of a 

552
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280
mountain. 
And like, it's just beautiful. 

553
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800
And like I wanted her to be out 
in nature and not like city 

554
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000
nature, which is where we 
typically live in the suburbs. 

555
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,160
Like, I wanted her to actually 
be out in nature and she picked 

556
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,520
up some poop that I have no idea
what animal it was from. 

557
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,000
And like, at first I'm like, I 
have to get that away from her. 

558
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Like that was my gut instinct 
was like, I need to get this 

559
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,120
away from you. 
And then she was just like 

560
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,720
insistent. 
So I'm like, OK, like, what's 

561
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,080
the worst that can happen? 
So yeah, I think it's it's it is

562
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,120
a very natural thing. 
It was interesting because my 

563
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640
grandfather was talking about it
and he was like, that was when I

564
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,120
saw a dog do it. 
Like my grandparents have never 

565
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360
had pets. 
And he was like, and I saw a dog

566
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,400
do this one time where they ate 
poop off of the ground. 

567
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,240
And I was just like, I will 
never have a dog. 

568
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160
And I'm like in the back of my 
head going, actually, most 

569
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,880
animals are cup, cup prophagic 
or we're just really grossed out

570
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,400
by it as humans. 
Yeah, it is a really gross thing

571
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,720
to think about. 
And then? 

572
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Yeah, I always think about self 
selection and I used to never 

573
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,760
think about that until I started
learning about this stuff and 

574
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
like, you know what, he's going 
to be OK as long as it's not a 

575
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,160
toxic plant or I'm just hey, 
they know what they need. 

576
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Like they have strong noses, 
strong instincts. 

577
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
I try to just let it ride as 
much as possible, but I'll 

578
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960
intervene now and then. 
There's some line up, but. 

579
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Yeah. 
And that remind and I actually 

580
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,240
have not seen this, but somebody
told me about this. 

581
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,400
I don't know if you've seen it. 
Obviously FMT therapy, fecal 

582
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,040
microbiota transfer, like I've 
talked about that on on this 

583
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520
podcast before. 
But it's a thing and it has been

584
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680
around for a very, very long 
time. 

585
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,440
And it can be very, very 
effective. 

586
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400
I think maybe a little less 
effective than it used to be 

587
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,960
because of the environment that 
we're raising our pets. 

588
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,960
And but humans have, you know, 
we get in these like fat, like, 

589
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,560
I guess it's just the way we've 
been programmed for so long with

590
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000
with media and advertising. 
We get in these fads. 

591
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,000
And apparently it has been a fad
on TikTok where people are kind 

592
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,800
of making fun of FMT therapy and
they're like literally smearing 

593
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,440
poop on their face as like a 
TikTok challenge. 

594
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,960
And I'm like, no, that's 
definitely not how this works. 

595
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,040
I don't know if you have seen 
that. 

596
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Oh my gosh, I have not. 
I haven't been on TikTok in 

597
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,560
since I think 2020. 
Thank goodness. 

598
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,480
OK, for a while, but I can only 
imagine what it's like right 

599
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,000
now. 
Yeah. 

600
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Yeah, I mean, it's like, you 
know, between the Tide Pod 

601
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,760
challenge and I don't know what 
they're calling this challenge, 

602
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,920
but like, I just don't know 
where people's minds are. 

603
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,960
I think sometimes I think it's 
so intentional to kind of like 

604
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,440
other the people who are 
legitimately doing things the 

605
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,640
right way and like trying to 
spread awareness about how 

606
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,360
amazing these natural remedies 
and, you know, food therapy and 

607
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,720
all these things are. 
I think sometimes I do wonder if

608
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,400
it's kind of like opposition. 
Media, it probably is probably 

609
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,480
everything is a. 
Conspiracy nowadays. 

610
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,680
That is the 100%. 
I was on a one of the office 

611
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,760
hours calls with other students 
just this morning and I'm like, 

612
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,600
if y'all want me to stop telling
you about my conspiracy 

613
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160
theories, you need to, you need 
to tell me to stop me. 

614
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Yeah. 
I just couldn't get it out of 

615
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880
hand. 
I recently just saw. 

616
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,360
Sorry, we're just going to go on
this tangent. 

617
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,760
I recently saw another TikTok 
where this guy was on stage 

618
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:44,560
talking to people. 
And you know how it's so 

619
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,520
misguided because regenerative 
agriculture will literally save 

620
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,680
the world. 
It just like it will save the 

621
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
world. 
We need more cattle, not less 

622
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,000
cattle. 
We just need to be raising our 

623
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,160
animals regeneratively. 
The like climate change people 

624
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,800
are all up in arms about less 
cattle, less, you know, cows and

625
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,000
how how bad they are. 
And so they don't want us, 

626
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,840
especially as Americans to be 
eating red meat. 

627
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,280
They don't want us to be eating 
beef. 

628
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,120
So there is, excuse me, there's 
a tick in the Northern Virginia 

629
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,239
area. 
I don't it may be other places, 

630
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,360
but it's pretty regional. 
I think right now that if it 

631
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,840
bites you, it will the disease 
you get very similar to like, 

632
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,400
you know, people are very 
familiar with Lyme and Ehrlichia

633
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,760
and other things like that. 
It's called Super Gal. 

634
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,920
And I actually heard about this 
because Joni Kamlit with real 

635
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,719
mushrooms has this from being 
bitten by a tick because she was

636
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,320
living in Northern Virginia at 
the time and she was moved 

637
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,440
because of this. 
And so she has had a very long 

638
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
battle trying to figure out what
this was. 

639
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:03,320
She cannot it what it does is it
it creates some sort of antigen 

640
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,160
or in your body where you 
literally become allergic to 

641
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160
eating red meat. 
And so I saw this TikTok of this

642
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,600
man on stage talking to people 
about how they are trying to 

643
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:21,720
like biohack and bioengineer 
tics to transmit this disease to

644
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,520
humans so that we stop. 
Eating red meat. 

645
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,400
I'd heard of alcohol before and 
I know, I know people that have 

646
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,640
it as well. 
I'm like, that's one of my 

647
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,280
biggest fears is not being able 
to eat red meat anymore. 

648
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,000
Damn, how? 
Say. 

649
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,840
One that's a deep one, that's 
scary. 

650
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,920
I mean, I'm already terrified 
enough of ticks, but that adds 

651
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,840
another level, yeah? 
Yeah, I mean, I got to say, 

652
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,360
like, I'm not terrified of 
ticks. 

653
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
I understand that there are 
risks, but I'm not like they're 

654
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040
they're creepy to me more than 
anything. 

655
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,360
I'm not like I don't have this 
kind of scared where I'm like, 

656
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,960
I'm scared of what they're going
to do to me. 

657
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,720
I'm scared that they're crawling
on me. 

658
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,920
Like that's the kind of scared I
have for ticks. 

659
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,680
But yeah, I always saw that the 
other day and I was like, how 

660
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,440
much more can they do to us? 
It's crazy and it's just that's 

661
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
that's been something that has 
been a struggle. 

662
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840
I don't talk about much with 
this too, is when you, when you 

663
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,640
start waking up to these things,
it can create tension in your 

664
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,800
personal life and relationships 
like grow and change and it 

665
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,800
really kind of changes your 
circles and people really don't 

666
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,640
know how to accept you or 
tolerate you when you start 

667
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,000
waking up to these things. 
So. 

668
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,000
Yeah. 
But yeah, I mean, it's it's all 

669
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,640
things that we really should be 
aware of. 

670
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920
But awareness can turn some 
people off, I'm sure. 

671
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,520
It can. 
And I I try very hard not to be 

672
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,120
at all political because I 
think, I don't think these 

673
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,680
issues are political in my 
opinion. 

674
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,680
No, I don't. 
Believe they're political. 

675
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,960
I believe they're just human 
issues. 

676
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,720
And so like, I will start 
talking about something and then

677
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,520
I'm like, I may be turning like 
half of the population off right

678
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,720
now. 
I have no idea. 

679
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,360
Absolutely. 
So how is Pine doing? 

680
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,440
He's doing great. 
He's actually being such a good 

681
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
boy right now. 
He's laying right underneath me 

682
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600
and I was worried he was going 
to be a little rambunctious that

683
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,160
he settled in. 
He's doing really well. 

684
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Love him. 
Fortunately everything worked 

685
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,120
out, so we're after we put Ann 
down, we'd we've been planning 

686
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,960
to pick him up just a few days 
later. 

687
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,160
We were hoping they'd get a 
chance to meet, but they didn't.

688
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,000
So he's just been a joy for me, 
helping me get through the last 

689
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,160
year of my life with so many big
changes. 

690
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,240
Yeah. 
And so, OK, he is just, he's 

691
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:49,920
completely naturally reared then
like that's amazing. 

692
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,440
But that is so amazing to me. 
I love it because, you know, I, 

693
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,840
I feel like often times I have 
to kind of temper what I say, 

694
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,720
especially as you mentioned, I'm
not a veterinarian. 

695
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,800
And so people there is a lot of 
backlash about that. 

696
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,000
I don't think. 
And I know I like there, there 

697
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,640
certainly are people that I, I 
want to quote who will cause a 

698
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,960
riot in the comments, but like, 
you don't have, you don't have 

699
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,360
to go to school. 
You don't have to have like this

700
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,960
academic, you know, degree and 
education to to learn things 

701
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,360
like knowledge is available out 
in the world. 

702
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,760
Yes, there are some like I 
absolutely appreciate our 

703
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,280
veterinarians for what they are 
good for. 

704
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,600
They learn so much in vet school
about like the actual biology 

705
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520
and like Physiology of an 
animal's body and so many 

706
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,760
different animals, right? 
Like that's it's an amazing 

707
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,360
thing that they do that they all
all that they learn. 

708
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,760
But like the things that we 
educate about are not things 

709
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,400
that you need degree for. 
These are to me, these are like 

710
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,440
common sense, like working with 
the earth, getting back to how 

711
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,160
we used to do things as humans, 
as animals, how we used to 

712
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,000
interact. 
Like these are yes, we can take 

713
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,840
advancements in technology with 
like hem therapy and red light 

714
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,440
and you all like they're they're
mimicking what we can get in in 

715
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,800
the world. 
Like, you know, a sound bath 

716
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,920
going into the forest instead of
paying somebody to give that 

717
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,800
experience to you inside of four
wall. 

718
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,400
We are mimicking a lot of what 
we can actually find in the 

719
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,400
world if we actually just 
connected to nature. 

720
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,480
But it's, it's just incredible 
to me that there is so much 

721
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,600
knowledge out there and that 
we've just, in my opinion, been 

722
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,400
brainwashed to kind of like. 
We've been bringing, this hasn't

723
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,000
been offered up to us and our 
vets. 

724
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,640
We're never taught any of this 
either. 

725
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,960
And that's that's something that
frustrates me on a daily basis. 

726
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Like why can't they focus on 
what they're good at and admit 

727
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200
where they don't have a lot of 
knowledge, admit their 

728
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,480
shortcomings and outsource it? 
I mean, I just don't know why 

729
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
that is something that's so hard
to separate. 

730
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,160
We're going to diagnostics, 
we're good at surgery, you know,

731
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,840
we're going to administering 
vaccines. 

732
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,680
But if you want to talk to 
nutrition, let's talk to a 

733
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,480
canine nutritionist or a 
holistic vet. 

734
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,760
And that's one of my main goals 
too, is helping people to see 

735
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,960
that that that can be normal to 
have to rely on a holistic or 

736
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,080
homeopathic veterinarian as your
primary vet and then just seek 

737
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080
out conventional traditional 
veterinarian medicine when 

738
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,440
needed. 
So that's something, I mean, 

739
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,760
every client I talked to, that's
just foreign to them. 

740
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,400
They, that's a foreign concept. 
It was a foreign concept to me 

741
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440
until early last year when I 
reached out to Doctor Judy 

742
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,960
Jasik. 
I didn't realize that was a 

743
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,680
thing. 
Because they are highly skilled 

744
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,680
and they, there are times when 
we will likely need, need 

745
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,480
conventional or traditional 
treatment. 

746
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,560
But for the most part, we should
just be relying on ourselves. 

747
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,760
I think first and foremost 
educating ourselves. 

748
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,040
So we're not relying on on vets 
and overworking them. 

749
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,240
But so I'm just my goal is to 
say educate people as best I can

750
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,320
on an individual basis or 
through through my social media 

751
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,640
so that they have more 
confidence in taking their dogs 

752
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
health into their own hands. 
Because I've seen it first hand 

753
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,320
to where really the most hands 
off people that have, you know, 

754
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
farm dogs and don't intervene at
all in their lives. 

755
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Those are the healthiest, most 
long lived dogs and for a 

756
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,160
reason. 
I think we just, we overdo it. 

757
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,400
We were too good of dog parents 
sometimes that it comes back to 

758
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,080
haunt you. 
Yeah. 

759
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,360
It's not. 
Good. 

760
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,040
What's skipping in? 
Yeah, it's that I think it, I 

761
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,000
think germ theory was one of the
worst things to happen to 

762
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,320
medicine. 
And it it, I actually just read 

763
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,720
this this morning. 
I'm going to share it here real 

764
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,720
quick. 
Let me pull it up. 

765
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,800
It says it's actually on a sub 
stack that I follow or I try to 

766
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,360
follow. 
He writes so much I can't keep 

767
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,760
up with it. 
But he's talking about how raw 

768
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,080
honey can save your microbiome. 
But he says let me find it, let 

769
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,720
me find it. 
We humans, and I believe this to

770
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,000
be true of dogs and possibly 
cats as well. 

771
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,640
We are meta Organism, a hybrid 
being composed of 10 times more 

772
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,200
microbial cells, meaning 
bacteria, fungi and viruses than

773
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,280
human cells. 
Even more astonishing, 99% of 

774
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,280
the genetic material in our 
bodies is microbial in origin, 

775
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,600
so 10. 
We have 10 times more bacteria, 

776
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,640
fungi and viruses in our body 
than we actually do human cells.

777
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,240
I think that's incredible. 
I think that is amazing. 

778
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,400
I think that says so much to 
first of all, discredit germ 

779
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,960
theory, yes, which I mean, I 
hope we have discredited. 

780
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,080
I don't think we have like based
on our medical system, I don't 

781
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,480
think we have but but it 
definitely has like translated 

782
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,360
into how we care for our pets 
and it is so detrimental. 

783
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,120
I know I still have a hard time 
sometimes. 

784
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,880
Like I have to be so intentional
about taking my shoes off 

785
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520
outside. 
Yeah, it's funny things like 

786
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,920
that where you think it's, you 
know, I grew up thinking taking 

787
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,520
your shoes off was just being 
like, I don't know, just about 

788
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,320
cleanliness and cosmetic 
reasons. 

789
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,280
No, it's not necessarily the 
natural bacteria, natural stuff 

790
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,240
from outside. 
It's the toxins from outside 

791
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,480
that you're bringing into your 
home. 

792
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,240
That's that's where I'm 
concerned now since we built our

793
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,920
new house and very much where 
shoes off in here and as low tox

794
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,160
as possible and everything. 
My poor husband like the 

795
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,280
furniture I was getting us to 
buy cuz I'm like it has to be 

796
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,920
organic and it has to have all 
these certification. 

797
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,840
Like we had this chance to start
fresh. 

798
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Let's do it. 
I know it's way more expensive, 

799
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
but it'll be worth it because 
we're going to be spending our 

800
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,120
time in here. 
That was. 

801
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,720
That hit me when I read the 
Forever Dog book, when I learned

802
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,960
about, you know, how many taxes 
are bringing in on our shoes and

803
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,720
how much chemicals are in our 
furniture, in our cleaners. 

804
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,000
And that was very overwhelming 
for me. 

805
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,120
So I definitely tried to to do 
that one step at a time. 

806
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,280
And now with this new house and 
like, all right, we're going to,

807
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,320
we're going to do this, right? 
Yeah. 

808
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,840
I love that so and obviously 
these are all things that you do

809
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,480
teach one-on-one to people. 
Is that accurate to say? 

810
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Can you do consultations? 
I do the consultation after 

811
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,920
having taken that course with 
Doctor Ruth and I've kind of 

812
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,040
evolved where I I like to do 
more of 30 minute one on ones 

813
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,440
with people just covering the 
more general topics and helping 

814
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,560
people get their feet wet in 
this whole holistic way of 

815
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480
caring for our dogs. 
Focusing on the big ones like 

816
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,240
spaying and neutering and 
vaccines and phasing out of or 

817
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,440
getting rid of conventional 
fleet tick and heartworm 

818
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,080
medications completely helping 
them with those because people 

819
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,560
just, they just need to talk to 
people that have done it. 

820
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,920
So I try to make my 
consultations very casual and 

821
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,160
very much just like ask me 
questions, ask me what I'm 

822
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,520
doing. 
Let me tell you, it can be done.

823
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,520
There's just there's a lot of 
fear. 

824
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,000
There's so much fear in this, 
you know, in our current world. 

825
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,320
And if you just focus, if I can 
just help dog parents to think a

826
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,840
little bit differently and how 
they approach making decisions 

827
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,680
for their dogs, like it can 
really impact their health. 

828
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,760
So, so yeah, I do for those 
one-on-one consultations and 

829
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,760
they've been pretty steady. 
I actually had one just before 

830
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,280
we talked and that one was on 
natural immunity specifically. 

831
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,080
A lot of people are curious 
about that. 

832
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,320
I love that. 
That's amazing, and it actually 

833
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,440
seems so much less pressure than
what I do. 

834
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,240
Yeah, I know. 
And that's where I recently 

835
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,960
dialed that back because, you 
know, that course is building 

836
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,320
you up to offer those 
consultations where you're 

837
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,680
helping dogs that are 
chronically ill and have really 

838
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,840
serious things going on, mostly 
leaky gut issues or cancer. 

839
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,080
So I, I would love to do that, 
but right now I'm just really 

840
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,160
spreading myself so thin, still 
doing my graphic design work 

841
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,720
while I try to migrate towards 
doing this more full time. 

842
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,840
So I just don't, and you know, 
it takes so much time, even 

843
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:23,320
those 30 minute calls, I'm still
doing so much research and 

844
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,760
putting so much work into giving
clients a, a document with links

845
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,920
and protocols. 
So it's a lot. 

846
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,280
I, I don't think, I think to 
price it at what it's really 

847
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,960
worth. 
Like no one would ever actually 

848
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,640
pay for it, unfortunately. 
So yeah, I scaled back recently 

849
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,240
where I'm not offering those 
full length consultations where 

850
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,920
I dig into that records and 
history because I just don't 

851
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680
have the time time for it right 
now. 

852
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,880
I decided to shift my focus more
towards preventative. 

853
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Type, yeah, guidance, that's 
awesome. 

854
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,440
I mean, so necessary and I'm 
glad that your community has 

855
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,440
been accepting of that because 
it is like that's my goal too. 

856
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,120
Like I wish that's that's how I 
went down this path to begin 

857
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,840
with was, you know, being in 
rescue. 

858
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,080
I started a YouTube channel and 
somebody commented that like, 

859
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,520
wouldn't it be great if you 
could just keep dogs out of 

860
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,840
shelters and rescues? 
And I'm like, yeah, like that's 

861
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,160
so, you know, keeping dogs 
healthy from the get go. 

862
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,240
That's that is the ultimate 
goal. 

863
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,240
Yeah, it's kind of selfish 
because that that's definitely 

864
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,760
the easier approach. 
I love, I want to help the ones 

865
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,480
who really need it. 
But those are your really hard 

866
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,880
clients. 
So you got to have the right 

867
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,840
client who's going to buy into 
this is going to take three to 

868
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,360
six months or longer to fix. 
So it's really hard to find the 

869
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,040
right client because you can 
easily turn people off when 

870
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,920
they're not seeing results in a 
couple of days or a couple of 

871
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,880
weeks. 
But yeah. 

872
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,000
I know my my. 
So many jobs are so screwed up 

873
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,040
right now. 
They are. 

874
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,160
I know my leaking gut package is
12 months. 

875
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,040
I mean, I tell that to them 
upfront and they're like, what? 

876
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:18,640
It's. 12 months, Yeah, If we can
get it done sooner, wonderful. 

877
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,320
Yeah, that's 12 months. 
And if they don't already know a

878
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,200
fair amount about how holistic 
medicine and holistic support 

879
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
works, then it's a battle to get
them to understand that it could

880
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,960
take that long. 
If they do know, they'll be 

881
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,160
like, OK, I'm ready for this. 
I know it's going to help my dog

882
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,280
long term. 
But I think most people are just

883
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,440
like, no way. 
I'd rather take the easier 

884
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,880
option. 
Yeah. 

885
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,760
Yeah. 
And that's it all boils down to 

886
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,440
really is I think we blame our 
veterinarians and we blame, 

887
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,320
blame the vet schools for how 
poorly they're trained. 

888
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,600
But I think a lot of the issues 
how we demand convenience, most 

889
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,280
dog parents just demand 
something that's quick and easy.

890
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,680
And and I see it all the time in
in my comment section on my 

891
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,320
Instagram, like, you know, where
people bash, you know, naturally

892
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,440
in tick prevention, for example,
because we'll still see Flick 

893
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,840
still safely in ticks now and 
then. 

894
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,240
It's like you got to you got to 
be willing to put forth the 

895
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,440
extra effort for your dogs. 
And that may mean having an 

896
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,240
inconvenience of seeing fleece 
and ticks once in a while or 

897
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,080
having to manually check them 
every night. 

898
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,800
It's just a whole whole 
different mindset. 

899
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,360
You know, convenience. 
Convenience is really what I 

900
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,320
think might be one of the main 
killers of our dogs. 

901
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,800
It's just in US convenience 
culture, convenience culture is 

902
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,560
just awful. 
The convenience and having to be

903
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,600
busy all the time and being so 
stressed. 

904
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,560
Yeah, absolutely. 
I completely agree. 

905
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,080
Thank you, Amazon. 
No, really. 

906
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,640
I mean, thank you pharmaceutical
companies. 

907
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,040
That's really where it started. 
OK, So, you know, people are 

908
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,120
interested in the preventive, 
especially this, you know, 

909
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,400
natural rearing. 
I think that is so incredible. 

910
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,280
It's definitely like, that was, 
in my opinion, a hole in the 

911
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,560
space that you're filling, which
may one of the reasons why 

912
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,440
you've blown up so quickly 
because it's not something most 

913
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,760
people do. 
It's not something most people 

914
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,280
talk about. 
I love that. 

915
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,280
How can it? 
What's the best way for people 

916
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,720
to find you? 
Is it on your Instagram? 

917
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,320
Yeah, I probably think my 
Instagram and I do have a 

918
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,840
website, tailswell.com too. 
And you know, I, you can book 

919
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,920
consultations through that. 
And then I do offer a few. 

920
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,320
I'm working on more of more 
digital products because as the 

921
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,680
pages grow, as you know, I mean,
I have hundreds of unread direct

922
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,320
messages and then people were 
contacting me via e-mail through

923
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,800
my website as well. 
So I'm then trying to figure out

924
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,480
ways that I can get information 
out to more people because I am 

925
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,600
still just one person. 
So it does get overwhelming 

926
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,200
because I really do enjoy 
helping and I will dive into the

927
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,000
direct messages sometimes and 
spend way too much time helping 

928
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,520
people. 
And I will dive into the 

929
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,840
comments sometimes. 
But you know, I have to remind 

930
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,800
myself that my time is probably 
better spent elsewhere. 

931
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,400
So I do prefer talking people 
one-on-one if I can and then 

932
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,720
creating these digital products 
to help people with some of the 

933
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,360
things I get a lot of questions 
about like detoxing after 

934
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,640
vaccines and heartworm is a big 
one. 

935
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,360
So yeah, I'm working on more, 
but maybe I'll do one on natural

936
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,200
immunity. 
But for natural immunity, I 

937
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,480
think that the guru on that is 
Doctor William Falconer and his 

938
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,840
website. 
I learned so much from his 

939
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,240
podcast and his website and his 
courses. 

940
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,720
So he's he's a great one for 
people to to dive into. 

941
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,160
I can recommend him a lot to my 
clients because I recommend a 

942
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,120
lot of resources to my clients 
because unlike conventional, 

943
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,600
traditional veterinarians, I 
want to only see my clients once

944
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,720
or twice. 
Like I I want to empower them 

945
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,600
and give them the tools they 
need to to get to the level that

946
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,800
you and I are at, or somewhat 
close to. 

947
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,240
At least close enough that 
they're comfortable taking their

948
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,880
dog's health into their own 
hands so that they won't need to

949
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,640
rely on us anymore. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

950
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,400
Oh my gosh, I can't. 
Yeah. 

951
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,400
I don't know if a day goes by 
that I don't talk about Doctor 

952
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Falconer. 
Make their Oh my gosh, she's so 

953
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,640
great. 
And I think unfortunately not 

954
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,520
everyone's like you and I like I
think we're breed where we can't

955
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,400
get enough of this stuff and we 
really enjoy reading and 

956
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,160
listening to my husband thinks 
I'm crazy for how much I can 

957
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,960
just take courses and, you know,
read research papers and he's 

958
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,760
just like, I just I love to 
learn and I don't necessarily 

959
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,280
have as much time as I would 
like for it, but any spare 

960
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,520
second I get, I'm doing it. 
So not everyone's wired like us 

961
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,920
either. 
So that's why it's also 

962
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,840
important that we're here to 
kind of help make information 

963
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,400
bite sized for for those that 
don't have the time. 

964
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,160
Awesome. 
Well for you, thank you so much 

965
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,720
for being here. 
Thank you so much for sharing 

966
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,760
your story and for what you do 
and for filling that hole in 

967
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,560
education that I think obviously
people are just dying to consume

968
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,720
because they do want we, I mean,
we all want our pets to live so 

969
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:06,440
much longer than they than they 
do and healthy, like not just 

970
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,040
live, but like live healthy and 
have a. 

971
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,360
Vital Life, So many of these 
people I talked to are just just

972
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,800
looking to be proactive, which 
I'm so jealous of because 

973
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,240
unfortunately for me, it took 
having something really bad 

974
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,240
happen to to finally get myself 
in gear. 

975
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,400
So it's, it's been really 
refreshing to see how many pet 

976
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,760
parents out there are wanting to
be proactive because because 

977
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,840
they know they, they have 
enough, you know, they can look 

978
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,560
out and see in long term what 
may happen if they don't make 

979
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,680
changes. 
And I feel guilty because for 

980
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,200
me, I just, I went along with it
until it was too late, almost 

981
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,040
so. 
We all have our own path. 

982
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,680
That's totally understandable. 
Yes guys, check the show notes 

983
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,320
for links to Bree's Instagram 
and her website. 

984
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,240
Very excited for any 
downloadables that you did come 

985
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,480
out with and thank you so very 
much for being here to talk to 

986
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,920
my. 
Listener, yeah. 

987
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,680
Thank you so much. 
Good to see you. 

988
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,520
You too.