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Welcome back, pet parent. 
I am excited for today's 

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episode. 
I don't bring dog training and 

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dog behavior to you guys very 
often because I am so very 

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particular about who I bring on 
in talking about these topics. 

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Isabel and I talk about it 
fairly regularly on the weekly 

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pet roundup, but that's just us 
talking. 

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But actually, like bringing 
experts on is something that I 

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have been so hesitant about. 
I know I've talked to you about 

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this in the past where like, I'm
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about this because I want to 
make sure that I'm bringing 

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people to you that I actually 
like believe in their message 

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and what they're teaching. 
So today's guest is one of those

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rare exceptions. 
Her name is Adea Washington. 

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She's known as the canines 
consultant. 

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She is actually a canine trauma 
behavior expert and educator. 

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She specializes in guardian 
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And I got to talk to her a 
little bit like pre recording 

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just to kind of make sure like 
we were on the same page. 

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And so I'm really excited to 
talk to you. 

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And first of all, welcome idea. 
Thank you. 

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I'm very excited to be here. 
I appreciate the opportunity. 

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I'm great. 
Yeah, well, you know, we 

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actually right before recording 
this because I record and it 

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takes a while for episodes to 
actually launch. 

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But right before recording this,
my friend Isabel and I did an 

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episode of the Weekly Pet 
Roundup where we talked about a 

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Texas A&M study. 
They actually looked at over 

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43,000 dogs in the Dog Aging 
project just in the United 

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States and that 99% of them had 
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I mean, that's. 
Insane but like. 

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Really. 
We can feel that right? 

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Yeah, some of that I do believe 
and I can't say that I am 

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completely guilt free in this, 
but I try very hard to be. 

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I think a lot of this is like so
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anthropomorphizing our animals 
at this point, and we definitely

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use them as like therapy animals
when maybe they're not trained 

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to be therapy. 
Yeah, yes. 

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But there are also pretty severe
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well. 
So I'd just love to start off by

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learning a little bit about you 
and the history of what you do 

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and how you got into this kind 
of specialty area. 

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Absolutely. 
I think like most of us, we 

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wanted to help with the obedient
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My story is obedient dog LED 
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and shelters and that's where 
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mishandling, over handling, 
misunderstanding. 

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It also was very worrisome to 
see there wasn't many people or 

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professionals that specialized 
in behavior, AKA behavior 

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modification. 
When we looked at behavior 

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modification or through that 
lens, it was more of I need to 

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modify the behavior of your dog 
pulling or barking at other dogs

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or you know, growling. 
But it really wasn't centered 

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around how did they get there? 
What part of the story or the 

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story part of the story that we 
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that led them to be in this 
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unsafe and needs being a met. 
And so after many, many years in

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rescue, also running my own 
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taking code red cases, getting 
that call that we're going to 

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euthanize if you don't pick up. 
So that is what really made me 

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pivot into helping guardians to 
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seeing, helping shelter 
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founders and volunteers 
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what they're witnessing and not 
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they're aggressive. 
The question must be, why did 

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the dog bite? 
And so I was given a dub, the 

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title in my area, oh, she's the 
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Only go to her if the dog has 
bitten someone because I didn't 

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write them off. 
It was that didn't matter if the

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bite was to a kid, a parent, 
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There's always a reason. 
Jessica. 

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So in a nutshell, so I don't 
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trauma because I wanted to. 
It was, it was very interesting 

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to me to see how they got here. 
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around human behavior. 
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into dogs because our brains are
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And so dogs, they're just, I've 
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They're just my thing. 
But they do so much for me. 

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And I feel I'd do so much for 
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And I just wanted to really step
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see every day. 
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understand this. 
There's dog trainers on every 

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block. 
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I wanted to be the one to help 
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the relationship and get people 
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witnessing and asking the why 
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we fix it. 
So yeah, that is just untapped 

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with so much untapped potential 
in dogs and that's what really 

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pushed me into the this area of 
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Wow. 
Yeah, I mean, there's so much 

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truth to that. 
You know, I talk about that all 

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the time with health. 
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And absolutely behavior falls 
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I know, just on a personal note,
like, you know, I'm, I've been 

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trying to do my own work on 
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And like trying to figure out 
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these things came from and why 
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And it it is helpful to be able 
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adjustments once you actually 
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Unfortunately for a lot of dogs,
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shelter dogs, we don't always 
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piece together sometimes what 
that why could be Speaking of by

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cases, because we actually, 
interestingly enough, Isabel and

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I, before we did the Texas A&M 
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talked about fighting and dogs 
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And I think I'm I'm more the 
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more the behavior person as far 
as like topics that we're 

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interested in talking. 
So we were definitely on a what 

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is Isabel want to talk about 
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But that's OK because you know 
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There is always a reason why a 
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We talked a lot about the fact 
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we force them into our world and
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certain ways that align with how
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different because whereas one 
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couch in the bed, the person 
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not, right? 
So this can be vastly different 

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and we don't give them the tools
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actually want out of them. 
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but we don't actually model or 
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looking for. 
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is it in very extreme ways when 
when dogs bite, which is a very 

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natural thing for them to do it.
Is and it's one of their three 

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forms of communication. 
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body language, followed by the 
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most people know it, dog moms, 
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I'm firm on guardian because 
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Leadership equals connection. 
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more understanding, 
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situation. 
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find is that a lot of 
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And so you want to take away 
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lip, don't bark, don't show your
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So all they have left is to 
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or air snapping or you know, and
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No dog is born or bred 
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Aggression is the last thing 
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boat over the ledge. 
You they're about to bomb the 

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city because you have not 
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that or you told them to stop 
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And that is why I've even had to
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of the situation, your key 
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I'll take them. 
And I've rehomed the dog. 

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And that's probably one of the 
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work is when you have a family 
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attached and you have to say, 
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Malinois cannot sit in a kennel 
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work. 
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a 2 mailbox, walk, feed them and
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down. 
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no or a stop. 
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suppression and then they are 
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And then they go to nip or 
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and then they're this is all 
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And that's OK. 
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You want to take my dog, if 
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it. 
I want to give your dog in a 

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better life than what you can. 
That's OK. 

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It's just not fitting for you. 
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probably one of the most 
challenging parts that I have to

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say that some professionals are 
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And I'm, I'm pretty much a 
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I'm a disruptor in my, my little
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priority is the canine. 
My first priority is the canine.

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The guardian is secondary to me 
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professionals, the guardian is 
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And so, yeah, but I'm, I'm right
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I just, I feel that if we can 
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and stop asking for so much less
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yield a better result. 
And just figuring out how we can

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rewild our dogs, how can we meet
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You know, taking them to just an
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instead of walking in a 
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of difference. 
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influence of something that's 
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So what are some of the things 
that you almost always go into a

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home and adjust? 
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unfortunate, dogs snapping at 
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them. 
I can't touch them. 

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I can't put a collar on. 
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leash once I get it on. 
You know, resource guarding is a

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big one. 
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giving space. 
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you keep going forward to show 
your alpha you know and so. 

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But my number one is dogs biting
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Wow, wow. 
It's very stead. 

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It is sad. 
It is. 

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I mean, and I was thinking as 
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it it, it's not as serious 
obviously because a dog biting a

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person is there can be legal 
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For that right, Yes. 
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because I mean, with just with 
potty training, like there's so 

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much suppression that goes on. 
We're telling them no, no, no, 

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we're never showing them what's 
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And so I think that it's like 
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everything we're doing. 
With our dogs, yeah. 

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That we're suppressing. 
Yeah, it's a wake up call is 

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needed. 
The modern dog is different. 

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You know, I'm used to the times 
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just outside, no fence, we walk 
with no leashes was hardly any 

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vet visits, which just existed, 
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we are, so we are positioned now
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dog owners to buy in. 
Like we buy into everything we 

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see. 
You're supposed to get this. 

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You're supposed to get that. 
When I talk to people and say, 

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Oh, no, we don't require that 
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They're like, what? 
You don't require spaying and 

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neutering either. 
What? 

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You know, I'm like, no, we 
accept titers. 

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We prefer for you not to get the
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You know, they feed raw. 
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here. 
Yeah. 

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You know, so it's we are just 
buying into so much fluff. 

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Everything we see, we're like, 
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doing. 
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be that person, Jessica, that 
that reflects, oh, my dog is my 

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child. 
I feel I have a leadership 

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relationship with my canines who
are like family, but I don't I 

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don't I take the time to 
research things about them like 

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I would mine or my children now 
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You know, I'm going to ask 
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I'm not going to just take it 
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perceived as. 
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really are getting lost. 
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cookie cutter model. 
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said, do this, but have you 
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well, I tried this and did this 
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I'm like, well, that doesn't, it
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train, you know, your other dog.
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the extent of changing my entire
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We don't train dogs anymore. 

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We're filling it, but we will 

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emotionally intelligent 
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meet the needs in a world 
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because it's a crisis. 
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positive reinforcement training.
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people that I know and respect 
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pet world, who I feel like have 
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quote fingers kind of fallen for
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training thing that's come up in
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and pain based training and and 
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I definitely have had people, 
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they didn't know what they were 
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know, they go and they've 
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uncomfortable, but they're like,
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They know what they're doing and
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their dogs with prong collars 
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collars and you know, alpha 
rolls and, and like they really 

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harm their dog and they even 
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physically in pain from the 
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caused their animal. 
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supposed to do. 
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educator as well, like how are 
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people that this is you 
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and I think this is harder for 
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have a pretty good message like 
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People are like, Oh well, it's 
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Yes, yes, I have found balance 
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a cop out. 
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professionals who want the quick
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what they thought they could do,
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fear. 
I tried the clicker, I tried the

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food. 
It didn't work. 

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say statistically for my 
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more as retrains as we call it. 
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from the board and train 
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method experience, including 
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And as you stated, it really 
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say I didn't know, you know, 
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are just more, again, 
emotionally intelligent. 

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We're looking at our dog and 
saying something is not right. 

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I don't give a crap what he or 
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not right. 
And I've had people say that I 

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went one day to a class with an 
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is they are, they're, they are 
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tapping into people who are 
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they've tried it all or they've 
tried nothing. 

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But we're living in a world that
everyone needs to work. 

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And I don't have time to train 
the dog. 

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They have a really strong 
message. 

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Their marketing is amazing, the 
perfect dog guarantee and people

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don't. 
They want the convenience 

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training as I call it. 
They want the drive through. 

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I drop dog off at window one and
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window 2, but never looking in 
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You're leaving your canine with 
a person you don't know, you 

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don't know where they're going, 
you don't know what they've been

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doing. 
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in the remote and you're able to
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garage, they're able to do 
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I think that that's the problem 
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But they're they are praying on 
people that are at their wit's 

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end. 
They are also, you know, trying 

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to really pick and choose my 
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The industry is also really 
taking advantage of people that 

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need help and don't know how to 
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And you know where I am in 
Northern Virginia, it is heavily

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saturated. 
It is very few and far between. 

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You find a so-called 
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the E caller or that's not a 
balanced trainer or you don't 

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really find the truthfully Lima.
I don't even you know, the Lima 

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method, which we used to use a 
lot or you really found positive

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only relationship based trainer 
some and it's unfortunate you 

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know that that's a a time for a 
whole another topic. 

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But balance training is 
unbelievable to me. 

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There's no such thing as balance
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force or fear, you. 
Either you're doing it or you're

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not. 
Yeah, yeah, I I agree. 

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Like I said, I know, I know 
people who have fallen for it 

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and even some people who are 
like, well, it works. 

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It worked for me and it worked 
for my dog and I just, I don't 

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know, at the end of the day, 
I've just like you said, seen so

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many dogs down the line where 
it's like they, they need so 

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much more support because of 
things that were done to them. 

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I even a number of years ago had
a friend who sent her dog off to

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a board and train and actually 
just told somebody, no Saturday 

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2 days ago they were talking to 
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was like no, they're like 
they're about to take their dog 

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to this board and train and I'm 
like no, please tell them I 

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don't care what they've done. 
I don't care where they paid. 

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Get their money back. 
Stop. 

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Don't do it. 
Because exactly what you said, 

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even the most well-intentioned 
dog trainer you are giving, 

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you're giving your dog for me. 
It's like a member of your 

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family. 
Over to somebody you don't know 

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you have no idea what's going to
be happening to your dog in this

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period of time that that they're
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who had a dog who was rescued 
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and so she felt like she had to 
do this board and train because 

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she didn't know what else to do 
right because these dogs you 

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just don't know when you're 
getting a dog from a from a dog 

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fighting operation and it got to
the point where like she got the

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dog bit her and she knew she was
like I I did this to him 

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because. 
I trust you. 

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Exactly. 
And she had, she had to put him 

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down because she was at that 
point, she was just so scared of

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him, you know what I mean? 
It was really. 

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And it was like his third bite. 
So it's not like she could have.

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Yeah. 
Anyway, it was really, really 

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sad. 
And it completely broke my heart

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because I was there. 
I was there. 

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Like he tried to bite me too, 
but I was. 

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Scared of people I. 
Knew enough. 

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Yeah, I knew enough to like get 
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making noise to distract him. 
Anyway. 

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We were able to get him in a 
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told that was the first time she
told me she was like, I know I 

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did this to him because I sent 
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didn't know that about him prior
to this incident. 

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And I'm like, granted, that may 
not be everybody's experience, 

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but I feel like anybody that has
sent their dog away to a board 

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and train the the the very 
minimum, you're gonna feel like 

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at some point, what was the 
point? 

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Why did I waste my money? 
Because this dog isn't trained. 

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Because. 
You, as the person in charge, 

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their guardian, didn't learn 
those techniques. 

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To use with your dogs makes no 
sense. 

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It just makes no sense and I 
feel like I didn't answer your 

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question entirely before when 
you said what am I doing on my 

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end to educate more. 
I do. 

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We do our yearly event sometimes
twice a year where we offer 

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complimentary training. 
If they they give us, they turn 

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in their prongs, they turn in 
their shot collars. 

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I mean as you just mentioned, I 
know people that will say I'm 

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sending my dog here or clients 
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their dogs here. 
I will say tell your friends who

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call us and we will train their 
dog for free. 

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Wow. 
And you know the thing we they 

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still don't call because you're 
looking for the convenience. 

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I'll say, hey, Jessica, well, 
you're about to spend 4 grand 

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for two weeks. 4 grand with us 
is five months of training. 

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You're learning and growing 
through stages of life with your

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dog. 
And you're allowing that rescue 

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some time to get to know you and
you to know him. 

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Wouldn't you prefer that we're 
training a real life scenario? 

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Neutrality in public spaces, 
confidence building connection, 

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your home outside our facility, 
meeting other dogs, the right 

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dogs. 
They will some people will still

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choose a board and train and 
that is sad. 

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But we do our best to hold 
workshops. 

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We, I have something called K9 
conversations that I host as of 

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now quarterly, but I would like 
to do it more frequently when I 

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have more time to where 
guardians just come in. 

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We called it like a A or NA for 
pet parents. 

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We're all sitting in this big 
circle, you know what I mean? 

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And it's no judgment. 
We ask all the questions, the 

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things that they're unsure they 
may feel it silly to ask. 

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You know, we have those ones 
that may have tried everything 

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and there's no intention behind 
saying, hey, work with us. 

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That's not the goal. 
We just want you to know you 

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have a supportive group that can
that we hear you. 

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We see you were pretty much 
holding space for people. 

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They feel like they don't know 
what else to do before they get 

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to that point. 
Like I want to euthanize, euthan

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the euthanasia stories. 
I, I have too many to tell. 

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You know, some dogs were put 
down because they were just too 

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busy, just too hyperactive, you 
know, and that's what deterred 

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my vet career because I was not 
going to just put down healthy 

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dogs to earn a euthanasia card. 
I just, and that's why I said, 

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OK, I'll do behavior. 
You guys can have that. 

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So I do my best like yourself to
consult nutrition, proper 

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nutrition, raw feeding, you 
know, like a small batch 

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supplements from good companies,
you know, just health aids to 

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increase the lifespan. 
But yet we do our best and it 

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and it's a shame that some 
people still would rather not 

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take a beat and say, you know 
what, let me go actually just 

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learn something because of the 
misconception they're mine. 

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It's just a dog and that it 
just, it breaks my heart. 

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And that's what led me from so 
much hands on now stepping into 

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a new chapter of my life and 
doing more education, you know, 

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and I'm very confused. 
Like social media, I don't know 

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how to do it, you know what I 
mean? 

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I'm like, I started this 
podcast, you know, people are 

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like, I'm so glad you're doing 
this and we've been told you. 

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And I'm like, I get that, but 
I'm such a private person. 

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But I have to be, I have to just
start letting go and really 

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being able to show people like 
what I do and it can work. 

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And you're not alone and you can
do this. 

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And I just feel like today's dog
parent needs support. 

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Before it was you needed 
training. 

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Now I feel we are on the the 
realm or the era, as I call it, 

447
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,080
the Guardian era to where more 
people need support. 

448
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,280
You don't need the come, sit, 
watch down, stay, place break. 

449
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,960
You don't need that today. 
You need the connection because 

450
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,760
once you build that trust and 
respect, the dog will do 

451
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,600
whatever it is that you ask. 
They trust you, you know what I 

452
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,680
mean? 
And so that's, that's what I'm 

453
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,120
aiming for. 
So I know that when I talk, 

454
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,640
people are like, I didn't think 
the dog stuff was this deep. 

455
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,120
I'm like, it could be very, it'd
be very deep because as you 

456
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,560
mentioned when you first started
this conversation, we go into 

457
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,240
that emotional support animal 
thing. 

458
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,720
And that is something that I was
just on another show that we 

459
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,640
talked about and it's like it's 
overused and abused. 

460
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
You know, you have a dog that 
you brought in because you 

461
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,600
thought you can fix them based 
off your own flaws. 

462
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,920
And you, you want to be that 
fixer and you want something 

463
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,960
that is a little worse off than 
you. 

464
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440
And then you end up making them 
emotional support for you and 

465
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,000
them and then they're taking on 
so much because they're feeding 

466
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
off of your regulation, your 
nervous system. 

467
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,880
And then they are just a mess. 
They can't regulate because 

468
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,880
they're Co regulating with you. 
And so always tell people to 

469
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,760
check yourself before you wreck 
your dog. 

470
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,240
Some dogs are not built for 
that. 

471
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,840
It's particularly those that 
have sustained trauma. 

472
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,960
And almost 95% of dogs have 
sustained some type of trauma. 

473
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,440
Whether it be the groomer, the 
vet, the trainer before your 

474
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:03,200
friend Rover tacked on a leash 
outside you, screaming at them 

475
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,680
one time, seething your teeth, 
or just being in their face. 

476
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,560
That's trauma. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. 

477
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,360
It really is. 
I want to talk a little bit more

478
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,320
about the effects of nutrition 
on behavior, but before we get 

479
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,240
there I want to I'd really like 
to dig a little bit deeper into 

480
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:29,080
why fear and pain and force are 
so detrimental to our dogs. 

481
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,760
Yes. 
So, you know, if many of you 

482
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,240
don't know, we share something 
with the canine called the 

483
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,840
limbic system, you know, that's 
pretty much built off emotions, 

484
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,720
you know, and some people think 
that they don't have them, like 

485
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,960
dogs get post traumatic stress 
disorder just like we do, you 

486
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,120
know, So when you like you and 
I, if I was to go through a 

487
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:57,480
situation where fear, pain or 
force affected me, which is very

488
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280
easy for a human to go through, 
the same rules apply for a dog. 

489
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,040
But we just have this 
misconception that goes back to 

490
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,120
it's a dog. 
They don't feel, they're not 

491
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,960
sad, they experience grief, they
experience frustration. 

492
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,440
The only thing that's different 
between US and the dog is rest, 

493
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,840
rationalization. 
They don't rest. 

494
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,800
They cannot rationalize 
anything. 

495
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,360
You know, they learn fast, 
listen slow. 

496
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,400
They're just zero to 60 
sometimes. 

497
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720
But with us, we can rationalize,
we can pick things apart. 

498
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,120
They can't. 
That's the one missing piece. 

499
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,840
But that limbic system, like 
they take pictures with 

500
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,600
everything. 
So you've heard that term. 

501
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,000
You're, you know, you're a 
trainer. 

502
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,520
It takes one time, it takes one 
time for a dog to be hit by that

503
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,000
man. 
And now they're, they have a 

504
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,640
fear of men that that whole 
thing. 

505
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:52,600
So people hear me, listeners 
hear me, they have emotions, 

506
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960
they have emotions. 
And so when you inflict pain, 

507
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,560
force or fear, all you're doing 
is making them dig a hole for 

508
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,800
themselves, away from you, away 
from the situation, away from 

509
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680
the training experience, away 
from domestication. 

510
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,160
Because at the end of the day, 
Jessica, these are captive 

511
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,840
domestic animals. 
We force them into our 

512
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400
lifestyle. 
So I need people to understand 

513
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,760
that there needs to be a healthy
compromise, like the man or 

514
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,440
woman you're with or whomever 
you're with. 

515
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960
There's some things you weren't 
too fond of, but you 

516
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,920
compromised, you know, and 
there's things that you may say 

517
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,040
to your canine, don't bite that.
Don't pee in here. 

518
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,000
Don't poop on that, you know. 
But for me, they have to say, 

519
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240
well, mom, please make sure you 
meet my needs. 

520
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Let me go run, you know, don't 
just throw the ball. 

521
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Let me go sniff for long periods
of time, you know, where's their

522
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,080
part? 
You know? 

523
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,320
So when we do nothing but 
suppress and suppression, most 

524
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,160
times comes from pain, force or 
fear. 

525
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Because forceful is the way you 
talk. 

526
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,680
Don't do that. 
Stop it now. 

527
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,640
That's force. 
Force doesn't always have to be 

528
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640
physical. 
Fear is how you look. 

529
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Don't. 
You're pushing them into a 

530
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,720
corner. 
That's fear. 

531
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
The pain can come two ways, 
physically, mentally and 

532
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
emotionally. 
You putting hands smacking the 

533
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,880
nose if people don't understand 
how sensitive the snout is. 

534
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200
Yeah, yeah. 
You know what I mean it really. 

535
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,320
Is. 
Yeah, how sensitive the throat 

536
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,360
is, choking them by the collars,
leash correcting, taking them by

537
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,600
the scruff, forcing them down. 
That's very different than dog 

538
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280
on dog behavior. 
They know when to release and 

539
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,720
let go. 
They know what to hurt and what 

540
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
not. 
You know, we just think that we 

541
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,120
just have to dominate, you know.
So if people would take the game

542
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920
show host approach is that call 
it, you know, you watch a game 

543
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,120
show and even if your answer is 
wrong, oh Jessica, that was 

544
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,400
wrong, try again or you know 
what I mean? 

545
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,640
Or like, great job, you got it. 
So if people can take that 

546
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200
approach, even if something was 
done that wasn't to your liking,

547
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,760
not necessarily wrong, wasn't 
wrong. 

548
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,280
They just don't know if they can
take that approach and say, hey,

549
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,080
buddy, let's make a better 
choice. 

550
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,160
I use that one a lot. 
We're going to make a better 

551
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,640
choice. 
Believe it or not, They can 

552
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,120
understand that. 
Like, you'll see all this social

553
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320
media craze, all these videos 
with dogs, all this pet comedy 

554
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,000
or whatever they're calling it 
where dogs, oh, I didn't know my

555
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,280
dog can spell shoes or walk or 
car. 

556
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,520
I say CAR. 
They know because their brains 

557
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,320
are just like us. 
Now, I'm probably going to screw

558
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,560
this word up like I always do, 
but I believe it's called the AG

559
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
mandala. 
That is just that is pretty much

560
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,040
the place where memory is stored
for dogs. 

561
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,280
And so that one time matters. 
It goes through that limbic 

562
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,280
system to that AG mandala. 
Oh, you yelled at me. 

563
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,880
I pissed myself, yelled at me so
much. 

564
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,320
So now I put that in my memory 
bank and dogs are resilient. 

565
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240
They do box and shelf things, 
but they never forget. 

566
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280
That's why you hear that label 
or that that term. 

567
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,600
They're loyal to a fault. 
They'll go back and want to go 

568
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,240
back with the abuser again. 
Look at us, Stockholm syndrome. 

569
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,200
We go back to the abuser is 
very, very similar. 

570
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400
And so you really have to check 
yourself before you wreck your 

571
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840
dog. 
If you notice dad coming in, 

572
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560
who's always pretty chill coming
in from work and Fido's cooling 

573
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840
over and his butt is wiggling 
And then we know mom has a 

574
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
stressful job. 
She's always coming in on edge. 

575
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,800
He goes and hides behind the 
couch. 

576
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Why doesn't he like me? 
Oh no, he's just regulating off 

577
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,360
what you're going to bring in. 
He's like, no, I'll wait. 

578
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,440
And so in a nutshell, pain, 
force, or fear does nothing but 

579
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400
push your dog into a deeper hole
of suppression and to the black 

580
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,520
hole equaling shutdown. 
And you probably hear it all the

581
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,960
time. 
Oh, he's so good. 

582
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,840
He doesn't, he doesn't care or 
he's not scared of anything. 

583
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
He's perfect on a leash. 
He walks right at my heel. 

584
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,200
You force that. 
They gave up. 

585
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Yeah. 
I don't know what else to do. 

586
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Yeah, I don't know if I answered
you. 

587
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,160
No, no, you're good. 
You're good. 

588
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,880
Well, and I thought of so many 
things as you were talking 

589
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,120
because again, going back to the
so many people are just like, I 

590
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,600
don't want my dog to XYZ and I 
don't want my dog to do this. 

591
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,960
I don't want my dog to do that. 
And that is that is really, 

592
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160
really small thinking. 
I always answer that with, OK, 

593
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,480
what do you want them to do? 
Oh. 

594
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,520
My gosh. 
And they're like. 

595
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,240
Like they don't even know how to
answer. 

596
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,040
That most of the time. 
They do not, right. 

597
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480
But for me, that's where like, I
want people to start thinking in

598
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,840
a different way. 
What do you want your dog to be 

599
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,760
doing? 
Yes, we call that the do list 

600
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,280
here. 
So we're like, so you get a 

601
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,360
call. 
Hi, I would refer to you because

602
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000
we do get a lot of veterinary 
referrals and and things of that

603
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,760
nature. 
So a lot of our our clients are 

604
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,400
not what you would think of 
mainstream, you know, look for 

605
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,560
you on Google or you know. 
Sorry, that's OK Had a picture 

606
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,200
fall down that's. 
OK, it happens. 

607
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,440
OK, it's all right. 
But you know, so we you call us 

608
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,760
and hey, I have, you know, Blue 
here who I really want him to 

609
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
stop, Stop, stop jumping, stop 
pulling. 

610
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,199
And like you said, well, what 
can we help him to do better for

611
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,719
you? 
You know, it's it's what would 

612
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,800
you like to see him do, you 
know? 

613
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120
And then it goes back to we'll 
stop, we'll stop. 

614
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,679
But I think to me, my last 
episode that I just just just 

615
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,040
went live yesterday was called 
Confuse K9 Equals Chaos. 

616
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,360
And so I feel there's a lot of 
confliction and confusion for 

617
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,560
the dog. 
And so as you, you said, you 

618
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,480
want forward thinking better 
thinking a different way, a 

619
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
different path forward. 
You want people to think 

620
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,239
positive instead of negative. 
I would like to mitigate my 

621
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440
challenges. 
But I do like that he does this,

622
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,760
you know, or how can we improve 
upon this and always leading 

623
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,920
with negativity Because if you 
look, I get people that will say

624
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,800
I cannot stand my dog. 
I hate, you know, excuse me, I 

625
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,040
don't know if this is a he's an 
asshole. 

626
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,000
You know what I mean? 
Like I'm like, well, they don't 

627
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,040
just doesn't just happen. 
But when when they were that 

628
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,760
puppy that was cute and fluffy, 
they can get on the couch and 

629
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,880
they can jump and do what they 
want. 

630
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000
And now they're 70 lbs. 
And they're doing the same thing

631
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
that with a learned behavior, 
and now they're wrong. 

632
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:24,080
Yeah, yeah, that makes me think 
of all the Chihuahuas. 

633
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, all the Chihuahuas. 

634
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Tell me about Chihuahuas. 
Oh. 

635
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,000
Gosh, OK, so absolutely, I 
prefer to work with working 

636
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,600
lines. 
If I had a choice, I wasn't 

637
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,640
doing the trauma. 
So I love the German Shepherds 

638
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,760
and the mouths, you know, I love
the so they just drive me. 

639
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,520
I'm an active person. 
I'm very there's movement in my 

640
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,040
work. 
We don't just sit and watch each

641
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920
other and you know, things like 
that. 

642
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200
So, but when it comes to the 
Chihuahuas, I have trained many,

643
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,280
I'll staff, coach, work with 
families. 

644
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,680
Many of them I think they are 
just very feisty and they have, 

645
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,800
there's a lot of enabling. 
And with them. 

646
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,720
And I'll pass them over to my 
other coaches. 

647
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,760
I think that the parents are the
toughest part of that 

648
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,000
relationship or the guardians. 
And there's excuse after excuse.

649
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,320
They are the ones, if they've 
come to me with trauma and 

650
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,400
there's something that has 
happened to that particular set.

651
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Dog was the aggressor in the 
situation. 

652
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,920
They're just very feisty and 
very spicy. 

653
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680
And I feel that the way that 
they become is based off of what

654
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,640
they're allowed to do, you know,
kind of really tread lightly, 

655
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,520
you know, it's but I feel it's 
not their fault. 

656
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,080
But for sure. 
I find difficulty in working 

657
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,040
with parents of smaller breeds, 
specifically Chihuahuas. 

658
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,760
Yeah, it is. 
It is a lot of small breeds, but

659
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160
it is like really the 
Chihuahuas. 

660
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Are my gosh. 
When I met my late husband he 

661
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,440
had a Chihuahua and it's the 
only Chihuahua I've ever had 

662
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,640
personally and I got to the 
point where I referred to 

663
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,040
chihuahuas as mini pities. 
Like that? 

664
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Yeah. 
That's what I personally call 

665
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,640
them, yes, because if they were 
the size of a large breed dog 

666
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,280
they would be. 
A big problem. 

667
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,520
And they look in that mirror and
they just think they're this 

668
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,520
huge lion. 
Yeah. 

669
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,560
You know, they're always 
starting stuff, you know, and 

670
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,320
then they can't finish it. 
Or they think they can. 

671
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Yeah. 
And I do feel like they're 

672
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,880
suppressed in many ways, meaning
they're so small and so 

673
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,120
manageable. 
They're picked up from something

674
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,680
They're not left to problem 
solve. 

675
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,360
I do have one right now that, 
you know, I couldn't say no 

676
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,560
because it's a biter biting 
everyone. 

677
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,760
And so some of my work is I will
go and just sit in your house 

678
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,680
and watch. 
Yeah. 

679
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:01,400
But I act like I'm not here, you
know, or I'll say give me access

680
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,480
to cameras, you know, things 
like this for a certain period 

681
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840
of time. 
And I study, I study what I'm 

682
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,360
seeing. 
So that's why I say people, I'll

683
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,800
say I'm a lone wolf in my area 
in this work because I am really

684
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,120
trying to understand from A-Z 
what's going on before I can 

685
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,040
give you a how we improve this. 
Some of my cases are not going 

686
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,160
to ever be where they want them 
to be. 

687
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520
They're going to have to manage 
some of the dog, these dogs for 

688
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,720
the rest of their life because 
it's gotten so far. 

689
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,760
They've gotten so far gone, but 
we got gotten them to a place of

690
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,280
safety, which is manageable and 
enjoyment in some areas. 

691
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,720
But it will never be that 
relationship you thought it 

692
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,600
would be because you've tried AB
and C before. 

693
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Sorry, doing the right thing. 
But the Chihuahua case, it's 

694
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440
hoarding. 
She's from a hoarding case. 

695
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Yeah. 
And, and has three other 

696
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,600
siblings. 
And she, you know, from that 

697
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,040
situation, she thinks the world 
is hers. 

698
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,080
And I am floored when I see her 
go at these big dogs, like 

699
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
hanging off their face, you 
know? 

700
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
No, just shake her off, you know
what I mean? 

701
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,240
But Can you imagine if that was 
a larger dog doing that same 

702
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,960
thing? 
So we give the Chihuahua so many

703
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,960
passes, so many passes. 
Or we'll get the call. 

704
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,680
The bite is happening with the 
Chihuahua. 

705
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,040
Just pick her up and just put 
her on the other side of the 

706
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,200
room. 
Oh well, my son will just kick 

707
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,920
her out the way or I'm just 
like. 

708
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,760
Oh goodness. 
You have to allow them to 

709
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
problem solve. 
And the sad part is, I don't 

710
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,920
know if you've noticed. 
I'm a big muzzle advocate. 

711
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Yeah. 
I think the muzzle, every canine

712
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,320
should have a relationship with 
one because if not, it will be 

713
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,240
forced upon your dog possibly at
some point. 

714
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,920
And that's trauma. 
Yeah. 

715
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,720
So you want to make it a 
relationship. 

716
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,120
But they don't make them for the
little guys. 

717
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,880
They make them look like ducks 
and you know, they try to make 

718
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,760
it look cute and I get that, but
they don't fit properly. 

719
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,080
They're not bite proof and they 
are the ones that are really 

720
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,240
doing the biting. 
They are. 

721
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,360
My gosh, they are. 
I know. 

722
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,720
So I can only have like one 
small breed every three months? 

723
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,840
Yeah. 
I can't do a lot of it. 

724
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:27,480
You're so right about just 
observing and like observing and

725
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,840
I would think cameras would be 
better because then they have 

726
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,640
the opportunity to forget that 
you're. 

727
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Watching. 
Because they, you know, people 

728
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,760
have a tendency to tell the 
story they want you to hear 

729
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,280
versus the truth because they 
don't want to look bad or they 

730
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,680
don't want to perceive being 
looked bad as being bad. 

731
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:55,120
And when in reality, it's like, 
it's just the same thing, like 

732
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,280
going to the doctor. 
People don't want to talk about 

733
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,760
things because they're 
embarrassed. 

734
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080
But it's like. 
You're not going to get good 

735
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080
advice. 
Yeah, you're. 

736
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,280
Not you're not. 
And I feel in my many years I've

737
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,600
learned to listen more and shut 
my mouth because they give you 

738
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,720
all the answers that you need 
particular questions and and 

739
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:19,000
being in the industry as long as
I have and working with now 

740
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,280
thousands of dogs, I know the 
answer before I ask it based off

741
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,360
what I'm looking at sometimes. 
And so I try to give the benefit

742
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,080
of the doubt because even before
coming in, we have a five step 

743
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,520
process. 
If we, you want a referral from 

744
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,960
another professional, you know, 
you have to put an application 

745
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,880
in. 
Do you have to set a phone call?

746
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,800
You have to come in for an 
observation appointment and we 

747
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200
have to sit as a team to 
evaluate how we can help. 

748
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,720
Then you have to go through a 
particular connection type of 

749
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,160
training and it's, it's a whole 
thing. 

750
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,720
So it's not like, hey, pick a 
package online, sign up and see 

751
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,280
you on Monday. 
That's not what we're doing. 

752
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,960
And so we're very transparent 
and help helping people to 

753
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,360
understand a lot of what we ask 
you. 

754
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Once we see the dog in person, 
well, that's so important to us.

755
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,440
We know a lot of what we need to
know and then our behavior form 

756
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,960
is so rigorous. 
So where I need to understand, 

757
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,400
is there a clean bill of health?
Is there GI issues? 

758
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Is your dog in pain? 
When's the last time you've had 

759
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
X-rays? 
People like, why don't you to 

760
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,280
X-ray? 
I'm like, I know you don't want 

761
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,840
to go to the radiation, you 
know, radiation part of things. 

762
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,120
But me particularly having 
German shepherds, they get their

763
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,880
hips X-ray once a year. 
You know, there's just Bree 

764
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,360
things that some breeds are 
predisposed to. 

765
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,520
And so with the little guys, I'm
like, when's the last time you 

766
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960
had the teeth checked? 
You know, they're very, very at 

767
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760
risk for any type of dental 
disease, you know, because you 

768
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,840
can't really, because a lot of 
people don't clean their teeth. 

769
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,200
You got the, you know, the 
luxating Patella, you know, that

770
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,480
floating knee, A lot of people 
don't look at that. 

771
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,920
And so I even ask people, how's 
your marriage? 

772
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,720
How's your relationship with 
your spouse? 

773
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,320
Is there a lot of fighting in 
the house? 

774
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,440
Are you stressed? 
People look at my questionnaire 

775
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,640
sometimes like wow, because all 
of this is influential. 

776
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,400
I used to get a, yeah, I used to
get a lot of push. 

777
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,360
That's where I got the most 
pushback, I think cuz I didn't, 

778
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,160
I didn't do training for very 
long. 

779
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,240
I got to the point where one, I 
was overwhelmed with it. 

780
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,560
Like I just, I'm too empathetic.
I couldn't do it. 

781
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,600
But also I know my limitations 
and I'm not, I'm not out here 

782
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,680
doing the trauma case. 
I'm not doing like, but that was

783
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,160
what I got the most pushback on 
was anytime when I it was, it 

784
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,280
was in my intake form too. 
I wanted to see your veterinary 

785
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,840
records. 
I wanted to know the last time 

786
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,040
your dog was at the vet. 
I wanted to see their blood 

787
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,320
work. 
I wanted to see everything that 

788
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,880
was going on with this animal. 
And they're like, most people 

789
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,880
are like, that makes no 
difference. 

790
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,080
I'm hiring you to train my dog. 
And I'm like, that's a world of 

791
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,520
difference. 
I mean, if your dog has 

792
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,600
arthritis, I need to know that. 
Yes, yes, yes. 

793
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:02,560
You know, it's like, yeah, it's,
it's it's just really, it's 

794
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,400
really unfortunate. 
But yeah, it goes back to 

795
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,640
learning about a lot of what 
we're going to see before they 

796
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,040
get there. 
And so as you mentioned, I call 

797
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,800
it the guilted guardian. 
They feel guilty because of what

798
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,280
they haven't tried or what they 
have done. 

799
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,760
And they also have a fear of 
missing out. 

800
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,560
FOMO if you tell me something. 
Oh, so when did this start, 

801
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,240
Jessica? 
The famous phrase is he's never 

802
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,640
done it before. 
Yeah. 

803
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Like, so he just bit someone 
yesterday. 

804
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Yeah, he just bit someone 
yesterday for no reason, you 

805
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,280
know, or the second in line is 
just a few weeks ago. 

806
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
And then that's, you know, I've 
been called bitchy and it's 

807
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,360
fine. 
I'm direct. 

808
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,920
I'm like Jessica, that's not 
true. 

809
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,440
Yeah. 
Yeah, it'll say no. 

810
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,280
What? 
I'm like, that's not true. 

811
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Just fight it out of nowhere. 
Yeah, I'm like that's. 

812
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Not true. 
Yeah. 

813
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,400
I'm like, maybe you missed that.
Well, OK, there was one other 

814
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,640
incident then. 
I get that. 

815
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,320
Well, yeah, you're right. 
You know, there was. 

816
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,680
I didn't. 
I just really didn't think it 

817
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,120
wasn't as bad as this one. 
I said they never start this 

818
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,000
bad. 
Right. 

819
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,560
So I'm right there with you. 
They they do, they will either 

820
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,240
feel embarrassed or guilty. 
We are the safest space that you

821
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,200
can be and I tell people you 
don't want me sitting on that 

822
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,200
stand to defend your dog from 
not being murdered because of 

823
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,720
your misconception, 
misunderstanding, or inflicting 

824
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,280
trauma unknowingly or 
unwillingly. 

825
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,840
You don't want to get kicked out
of your home because your HOA 

826
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,240
has a breed discrimination, but 
you happen to move in before 

827
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,760
they put that in place and now 
your dog has got off leash and 

828
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,880
went after another dog and now 
he's on a chopping block because

829
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,520
of what you didn't do. 
Yeah. 

830
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,120
You know, And so it's it's the 
stigma, the stigma centered 

831
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,000
around just train my dog. 
What does that mean? 

832
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,400
Right. 
What do you mean? 

833
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,680
What do you, what do you mean 
train your dog? 

834
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,080
What do you need? 
What do you want? 

835
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,880
What do you want out of this? 
We have a case now of a family 

836
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000
that's unhappy and it happens 
sometimes. 

837
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,600
You know, they're they're 
unhappy because you adopted this

838
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
dog three days before you came 
to us. 

839
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,680
You've never had a German 
shepherd before, tied to a tree 

840
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:18,080
four months old, found, you 
know, the skin and bones, 

841
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,800
emaciated, sat in a shelter for 
almost a year. 

842
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,920
Then you bring him home. 
You both work outside of the 

843
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,360
home. 
You live in a basement apartment

844
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,880
that's a shoe box. 
He's super intelligent. 

845
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
We have you bring him to our 
full day program in addition to 

846
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,240
some private connection coaching
that was very affordable in my 

847
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,200
opinion. 
And you ask the questions, we 

848
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,120
provide the support, but you're 
getting close to the end and you

849
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,840
still haven't connected because 
he still doesn't know who he is 

850
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,480
and you're still finding out who
he is and who you are with him 

851
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,200
and you want to keep moving. 
Well, we just had other 

852
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,840
expectations, like more 
training. 

853
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,520
And I said, well, how would you 
have those expectations when we 

854
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,320
had no expectations here? 
Yeah, we were very clear. 

855
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,280
It was expectations of 
connecting and unraveling. 

856
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,040
He needed to unpack. 
And you're expecting too much 

857
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,720
from him. 
No, he can't meet your friend's 

858
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,240
dog. 
Not right now. 

859
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,080
You know what I mean? 
He's still unpacking. 

860
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Now he's chasing light and 
shadow. 

861
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,800
Now we're getting to compulsion 
disorder, you know, because 

862
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,200
you're not doing anything with 
him. 

863
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Yeah, oh, poor baby. 
You know, so it's oh, it makes 

864
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,840
me so sad. 
It's it's unlike you, I'm not in

865
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,200
path and that's why I really had
to come up for air. 

866
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,200
And I'm just trying to move on 
to educating more and really 

867
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,280
taking those very tough on the 
ground cases that need a lot of 

868
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,840
anchor work because that's why I
stopped my rescue two years ago.

869
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,840
And I really step in for cases 
that people just will not hate. 

870
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Like I have a puppy now, Bluey, 
just looking for a home. 

871
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,400
And I just couldn't let him get 
sold to a fight ring as a puppy.

872
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560
So I get the call, you know, and
I'm like, OK, I'll take him. 

873
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,440
I'll find someone. 
And so he's he's amazing. 

874
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,320
But you know, it's people don't 
look at us sometimes and what we

875
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,400
take on like we care. 
I'm in this because I care, turn

876
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,440
my passion into a purpose and I 
do it because I love it and I 

877
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,400
care. 
But I think over the last five 

878
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,480
years, I'm drained. 
Yeah, yeah. 

879
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,000
I'm like so many, I just see so 
many hurt for no reason, so many

880
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,960
traumatized for no reason. 
And we try as professionals to 

881
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400
be their voice and create a path
forward. 

882
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,400
And people rather say I'll just 
stop coming to you and I'll go 

883
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,400
over to someone else who's just 
going to train my dog because 

884
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,600
they don't want to hear about 
themselves. 

885
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Yeah, it is. 
It's so much. 

886
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,520
That's what I learned very, very
quickly was that dog training is

887
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,440
not about dog training and it's 
about people training. 

888
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Yes, we push that every time. 
I'm like, no, we're here for 

889
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,480
you. 
You'll fall in line once you 

890
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,640
know what you're doing. 
Yeah. 

891
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,840
One of the other things I 
noticed and I'm I'm it's not 

892
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,640
100%, but I did notice that 
it's, it's generally the 

893
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,400
husband. 
It's like, where are we doing 

894
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,520
this? 
Where are we spending money on 

895
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,440
this? 
The dog just needs to do XYZ. 

896
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,840
Oh yeah, do you? 
Do you notice that too? 

897
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,920
Oh, yeah. 
I think you just, you need to 

898
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,280
have a panel of us on here for 
that because it it is definitely

899
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,440
the husband. 
And I've had to tell a husband 

900
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,400
to get out before get out, you 
know, and they look at us to 

901
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,560
you're going to train my dog, 
you're a woman. 

902
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,200
I'm like, OK, wait, we're not 
going to do that. 

903
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,760
Yeah. 
You can either sit down and 

904
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,280
watch me work or you can get 
out, you know, but the husbands 

905
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,280
are that way. 
And that's why, you know, if you

906
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,960
the canines consultant is about 
connecting with emotionally 

907
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,680
intelligent women and it's not 
gender based. 

908
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960
If you feel you want to listen 
like an emotionally intelligent 

909
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,880
woman, then I welcome you. 
But if not, I'm not dealing with

910
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,320
your chauvinistic, you know, 
comments are you're downplaying 

911
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,840
what I do or why I'm doing it. 
I just won't stand for it 

912
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,320
anymore. 
We already had to fight through 

913
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,920
that in this industry as being 
women in the industry. 

914
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,520
And so to to just be taken 
seriously. 

915
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,040
This is the male dominated 
field, you know, or worse, we're

916
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,200
too soft, female trainers are 
too soft, our tones are too 

917
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,960
soft. 
We care too much, and that's the

918
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,520
problem. 
Well, you know, I heard 

919
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,280
something recently that when 
somebody's screaming at you to 

920
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:26,880
just talk softer and slower and 
like, you're going to learn a 

921
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,600
lot. 
You're going to learn a lot. 

922
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Yes, if. 
You do that, I think, and I 

923
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,920
don't know, maybe that's not 
always the right thing to do, 

924
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,680
but like I could definitely see 
how how with some people that 

925
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,720
could work. 
Oh, hey, look, I've been in a 

926
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,760
lot of therapy. 
Let me tell you something. 

927
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,640
It has helped me. 
I stay in it helps to ground me.

928
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,800
But I believe that too. 
Like, I am not. 

929
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,320
I come from a family of yellers,
you know, I'm from up Norton or 

930
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,640
just, you know, And so for me, I
never wanted to have that in my 

931
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,280
life. 
I grew up around it. 

932
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,640
And so even in my marriage is if
there was any disagreement, I'm 

933
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,440
the one that's like, OK, no 
problem. 

934
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,560
You need a minute? 
Yeah, sometimes it pisses him 

935
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,840
off more, though. 
Like that's like that's, that's 

936
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,240
a you problem. 
Yes, over here. 

937
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Like don't send that over here. 
So oh, yeah. 

938
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,840
But I'm, I'm right there with 
you. 

939
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
Any conflict, you know, we have,
we have to have conflict 

940
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960
resolution and business. 
You're gonna you're not gonna 

941
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,600
make everybody happy. 
And I, I will go, I will go. 

942
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,080
I will go to bat for my team, 
though. 

943
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,440
I have a very good team and I'm 
the one that will stand up for 

944
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,040
them and say, but always like 
this. 

945
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,280
No, Jessica, that's not what we 
discussed. 

946
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,720
She's doing her job. 
You're not doing yours. 

947
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,240
So because you're. 
Always what it is too, yes. 100%

948
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:50,280
you want my guarantee? 
Anytime we don't make wins or 

949
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,960
hex wins or we don't have 
successes, it is not the 

950
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,520
professionals fault. 
Take this finger and point it 

951
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,160
back at yourself because you're 
not doing the work. 

952
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,120
Yeah, and we're big on 
accountability. 

953
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,880
Don't talk to me when you see 
me, talk to me in between. 

954
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,320
Send me things, check in. 
You know, training is every day,

955
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,000
all day. 
It's not just about the 5 

956
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,680
minutes of commands. 
Just keep doing the commands. 

957
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,320
Yeah. 
You know, and, and they did, 

958
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,080
they have to do the work just by
how they approach the dog, 

959
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,760
leading with consent, how you 
speak, how you move, what you do

960
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,280
around them. 
They watch us all day, every 

961
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,880
day. 
Everything we do, they watch 

962
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,080
like you say, your kids, your 
kids are watching you and 

963
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,920
they're going to, they're going 
to, how do you want to say that?

964
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,920
They're going to mimic what they
see. 

965
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,720
And so your dog is your mirror. 
How you feel is what they 

966
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,000
project, you know? 
So yeah. 

967
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,920
Yeah. 
Well, before I let you go, I did

968
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,560
want to touch on the role that 
nutrition plays in behavior. 

969
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,960
I know this so well because it 
was, I started incorporating 

970
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,240
nutrition from the very 
beginning when I was training. 

971
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:12,440
And I, I always say I, I put 
myself out of a job and I was 

972
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,080
thrilled to put myself out of a 
job. 

973
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,320
Of course, I wasn't doing the 
trauma cases, but you know, just

974
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,120
the, my dog isn't listening. 
I don't know how to handle my 

975
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,680
dog. 
I just want them to sit, stay, 

976
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,840
not jump up, blah. 
Blah blah. 

977
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,040
That's the kind of. 
Things I was doing, I 

978
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,400
incorporated nutrition from the 
very beginning and I'm, I was 

979
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,640
thrilled when after the second 
or third time I saw somebody, 

980
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,680
they're like, I think we're 
good. 

981
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,840
I'm like, good. 
I'm glad. 

982
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,640
Yeah, yeah, yes. 
Nutrition plays such an 

983
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,240
important role. 
I mean, we, we can even start. 

984
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,680
But you know, you go up behavior
to me, any type of behavior is 

985
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,040
not the enemy. 
It's an invitation. 

986
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,760
It's an invitation to really 
investigate. 

987
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,200
And so you want to be able to 
open your eyes and ears and not 

988
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,960
always your mouth, So what 
they're experiencing. 

989
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,400
And I feel like if you think 
about us as humans, when we 

990
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,800
don't feel good, we don't act 
well. 

991
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,200
When we don't feel well, we're 
not happy. 

992
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,000
We're not exploding with joy. 
Those endorphins aren't dancing 

993
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,840
around. 
So in dogs, yeah, that dopamine 

994
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,960
is suppressed. 
They're not excited. 

995
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,640
They don't want to really be 
touched. 

996
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,200
They're growling at you or 
they're jumping, or they're 

997
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,640
doing this because maybe I'm 
uncomfortable right now. 

998
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,880
Can you help me? 
And so that plays back to let's 

999
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,280
let's talk about nutrition. 
I always say, OK, what are we 

1000
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,240
eating? 
That's part of our you know, 

1001
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,760
what exactly are you eating? 
What brand? 

1002
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,320
How often are they a grazer, 
like a free you just a free 

1003
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,080
feeder? 
Is it they finish? 

1004
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,760
Are we or is it balanced? 
You know, some people will have 

1005
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,760
this misconception. 
I just the kibble bag is 

1006
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,000
balanced. 
No, it's not. 

1007
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,240
You know what I mean? 
No, it's not. 

1008
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,440
You know, people aren't 
understanding the intolerances 

1009
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,680
now, Jessica, there's so many 
intolerances because of our way 

1010
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,160
of living now we have to keep up
with the demand of having so 

1011
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,240
many citizens of our country to 
now when slaughter used to 

1012
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:04,080
happen between three and four 
years of age, now it's happening

1013
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,120
between 6 and 12 months of a 
cow, you know, so and then or 

1014
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:15,000
the chicken that they're pumping
with 67 to 77 antibiotics, you 

1015
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,880
know, just to get them to plump.
And so when you think about 

1016
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,120
things like that, all of that 
that they're grinding down goes 

1017
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,320
into your dog. 
And so think about what it's 

1018
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,960
doing to us. 
So when I eat something, I'm 

1019
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,080
like, Oh my gosh, that made me 
feel horrible. 

1020
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,840
You know, under not 
understanding or 

1021
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,640
misunderstanding that you 
probably know this, especially 

1022
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,640
chicken is not good for most 
breeds. 

1023
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,720
Now, most dogs can't tolerate 
chicken. 

1024
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,240
And so that's one of the first 
things I ask. 

1025
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,720
Is your dog eating any chicken 
products or, you know, fowl or 

1026
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,560
anything like that? 
Maybe let's consider the the 

1027
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,360
seafood. 
Make sure when you look at the 

1028
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,040
labels, that's the first 
ingredient, you know, label 

1029
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,920
reading, you know, all those 
different things like that. 

1030
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,040
So I do a Wellness blueprint 
before I start with families to 

1031
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,920
really understand what are we 
doing? 

1032
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,600
How often table scraps if what 
if they are, what are they high 

1033
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,280
value treats? 
Are we doing bacon, cheese spray

1034
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,600
cheese, you know, all of those 
different things. 

1035
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Are they on a probiotic because 
they need one like we do, You 

1036
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,480
know, is your dog on a joint 
support? 

1037
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,120
Doesn't have to be anything from
the store, but there you can do 

1038
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,560
AB and C. 
You know, we just want to set 

1039
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,480
them up for success internally 
because of how they feel inside.

1040
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,840
It comes out through the 
outside. 

1041
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,640
I ask people to bring me a 
sample of their dogs poop. 

1042
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,800
They're like what? 
I'm like, yeah, bring me the 

1043
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,320
freshest sample that you can so 
I can see the consistency, how 

1044
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,640
it smells. 
Your body talks to you through 

1045
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,560
their stool. 
All of my dogs are raw fed. 

1046
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,880
You know, I have one that's 155 
lbs, one 25105 and a £50 and I 

1047
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,920
see puppies that poop a bigger 
pile of poo than my dogs because

1048
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,280
when they eat an unbalanced 
commercial diet, they retain 

1049
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,640
about 40% of that. 
That's why your dog is going to 

1050
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,200
the bathroom 3 or 4 times a day.
A raw fat dog, mine in 

1051
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,040
particular, I can say they go 
once a day, sometimes they'll go

1052
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,400
once every other day and it's a 
small amount, it turns to white 

1053
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,120
dust and it has no smell. 
People are floored by that, you 

1054
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,720
know. 
So I think that behavior when a 

1055
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,760
nervous system or the system in 
general, specifically the GI 

1056
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,280
tract, is not good. 
It comes out in the way that 

1057
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,160
they are dogging. 
They don't want to walk long or 

1058
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,480
they pace or they they chew. 
It increases anxiety when they 

1059
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,560
don't feel well, they're very 
irritable. 

1060
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,200
They're snapping, they're 
growling. 

1061
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,880
They don't want to be touched 
once they get in that 

1062
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,720
comfortable position and then 
you call them, I just feel good 

1063
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,360
for just a minute and now it's 
come here and they're like, no, 

1064
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,840
I just need to land his position
for just another minute. 

1065
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Now they're stubborn. 
Now they don't listen, you know,

1066
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,720
or you want to go in, maybe 
reach around to touch something 

1067
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,520
or do a snout to tail. 
And maybe they growled at you. 

1068
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,440
My dogs growl at me. 
That's a form of communication. 

1069
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,960
And guess what I do? 
My bad. 

1070
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,360
Not right now. 
It's not like it's like I don't 

1071
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,400
feel like it right now, OK? 
Yeah. 

1072
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,600
And then if that same spot hurts
tomorrow, then we need to. 

1073
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,320
We we had a problem. 
Yeah, we have a problem. 

1074
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,680
But another thing that people 
should get in tune with, I know 

1075
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,320
it's more exterior, but they 
need to be doing those snout to 

1076
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,960
tails. 
You should know your bot, the 

1077
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,200
dog's body. 
You should know when a bump pops

1078
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,520
up or a lump or you should just 
know especially right now 

1079
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,800
checking for ticks. 
I'm all over them all day like 

1080
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,000
these ticks are so bad. 
So I think snout to tell needs 

1081
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,080
to really be more front more on 
the front of the relationship 

1082
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,280
too for handling and consent and
husbandry. 

1083
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,520
But yeah, I mean there are some.
I have one right now. 

1084
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,120
Big old pity. 
So sweet. 

1085
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,000
And femur was broke as a puppy 
and I seen him and his gate is 

1086
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560
off and I'm like, because I'm 
finishing up my osteopathy 

1087
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,240
degree. 
And so I'm like, this gate is 

1088
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,440
really off. 
Do you have you noticed that 

1089
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
what we just called it a wobble?
I'm like, that's not a wobble. 

1090
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,760
I'm like, you really need to get
in to see a specialist, not your

1091
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,720
vet. 
You need to get in to see an 

1092
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,760
ortho specialist and get some 
X-rays. 

1093
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,800
And you're wondering why he's 
going after other dogs on a 

1094
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,600
leash or other dogs that come 
close because he's in pain and 

1095
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,240
in their world. 
And we go back to true behavior 

1096
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
in science. 
Any vulnerability, it puts them 

1097
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480
at risk for death or being 
kicked out of a pack. 

1098
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,880
And so when you're vulnerable, 
we take you out. 

1099
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,640
And so they don't want to show 
pain. 

1100
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,560
So I'd rather bark you back, get
away from me or go after you 

1101
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,400
first. 
And so a lot of a lot of you 

1102
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,120
know, and so that he just didn't
feel good. 

1103
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,920
So we come to find out, yeah, he
needs surgery. 

1104
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,920
The knees all crushed up, you 
know, and so it, it's things 

1105
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,680
like that that they don't think,
oh, it's just a hop or a wobble.

1106
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,000
No, no, no. 
If you see your dog like that, 

1107
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,080
people go and see about it. 
But stop going to your general 

1108
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,160
vet too. 
It's OK to ask for a referral. 

1109
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,120
It's OK to say, I would prefer 
someone that specializes in 

1110
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
this. 
You know what I mean? 

1111
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,560
That's why they're there. 
You know, some people like with 

1112
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,560
us, they're, they don't want it,
they're embarrassed to say or 

1113
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,000
they're scared to ask. 
Advocate for your dog. 

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01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Say, hey, I just came to you to 
tell you the problem. 

1115
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,280
I'll give you your exam fee. 
I know how this goes. 

1116
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,400
I need my referral. 
Yeah, I'm a big advocate. 

1117
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think, I think, I mean, 

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first of all, I appreciate so 
much you being here in your 

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01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,160
time. 
I think you had a great 

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01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,240
conversation. 
That's probably a good place to 

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01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,360
leave us. 
Is. 

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,320
Advocating for your dog? 
Yeah, Regardless if we're 

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,800
talking about choosing a trainer
or a veterinarian or the food 

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,440
you're feeding, whatever it may 
be, advocate for your dog. 

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,560
Nobody else is going to do it 
but you. 

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,120
They're not. 
They're not that. 

1127
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,040
That's all I ask. 
You know me as a guardian 

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,920
myself, you know you, you know, 
us as professionals. 

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,000
I think that's probably our 
biggest plight. 

1130
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,800
We, we want people just to 
advocate, ask questions, be OK 

1131
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,640
saying no. 
I don't like that. 

1132
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,360
What is that going to do? 
What's the outcome? 

1133
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,000
Is there someone else? 
Is there something else? 

1134
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,280
It is OK. 
It's OK. 

1135
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,040
Yeah. 
He could save your dog in the 

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01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,160
end. 
Yeah. 

1137
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,560
It could. 
It could, I mean, I mean, be 

1138
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,240
advocating for our children too,
but that's a whole other topic. 

1139
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Right. 
Yes. 

1140
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,480
I want to thank you again idea 
for being here. 

1141
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,400
Where can people find you? 
I know you you've talked about 

1142
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,440
your podcast and where people 
find that. 

1143
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Absolutely. 
My podcast is Behavior Matters, 

1144
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,040
and so you can find us on 
TikTok, Instagram, Facebook at 

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,120
Behavior Matters. 
We're new, new kids on the 

1146
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,760
block, but I would love for you 
guys to take a listen. 

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01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,840
If you want to find any any more
about me, learn more about who I

1148
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,360
am, you can go to 
thecaninesconsultant.com. 

1149
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,920
I'm also on TikTok under that 
name, as well as Facebook. 

1150
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,920
Awesome. 
Again, thank you so much. 

1151
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,000
And guys, make sure to check out
the show notes for links to 

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,080
everything. 
Adiya, it was just such a 

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,080
pleasure to have you on. 
I'm so excited for people to 

1154
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,080
start listening to your podcast 
because you have such great 

1155
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,760
information so. 
Thank you. 

1156
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,800
Thank you. 
Yes. 

1157
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,440
With that guys, thank you so 
much for being here. 

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,720
Please give your pet some extra 
love from me and Adiya this week

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01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,960
and I will talk to you next 
week.