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It's it's been insane. 
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both of us since the last time 
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But I'm so excited to be back 
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happens the rest of the summer. 
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Yeah, for sure. 
Well, the rest of the summer, I 

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can tell you this. 
It depends on when you count 

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summer. 
True, true. 

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Because my kids go back to 
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have super zoo. 
Yeah, I was hearing. 

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So I'm going to be out of town 
the whole next two weeks going 

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to AFCO and then going to Super 
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So it is going to be, I don't 
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Anyway, this week, however, on 
the weekly pet roundup we are 

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talking about, we're, we're 
recapping the more you know, Pet

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Wellness Summit 2025, which was 
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13th ish and super, super fun. 
Isabel came into town for that 

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and we had we had a blast. 
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it was the 3rd annual Pet 
Wellness Summit that Nautical 

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dog hosted. 
If you're new here, my name is 

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Jessica. 
I'm with the pet parenting 

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This is Isabel. 

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She hosts covered in pet hair 
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we can weekly, hopefully usually
easier during this the school 

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year to go come to you weekly to
host the weekly pet roundup, 

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which we do live here on 
Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.

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Thank you so much for being here
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So this was your first, the more
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how was it for you? 
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I was really impressed with the 
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attended. 
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That was for me the highlight 
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seen any of the speakers speak, 
so we can go over who was there.

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We can say that it was Amy Rentz
from Goodness Gracious Rita from

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the Herbal Dog. 
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I forget. 
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Hogan, Hogan The. 
Herbal Dog and she just 

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published her first book, so 
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That was kind of a stop on her 
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Then there was Susan again. 
I'm really. 

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On the name. 
Thixon, I'm like Gibson. 

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No, it's not Gibson, Susan. 
Susan Thixon, who I have 

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followed for even though I 
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for over 2, like I guess for two
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pet sitting business in 2008. 
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sometime in that area in that 
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I've never seen her speak. 
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me. 
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Call it What is it? 
Connor Brady. 

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Connor Brady. 
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names today? 
Connor Brady, Who is just 

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delightful and I really enjoyed 
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the whole time, his favorite 
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shy away from. 
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another level that I've never 
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Did I forget anybody? 
Doctor Katie Kangas. 

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Oh, Doctor Katie Kangas, whom I 
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She's amazing. 
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She's so cute. 
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So Amy Wrens I've met at Super 
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knowledgeable. 
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food brand, but also she is just
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so much of her knowledge not 
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bread, but with the industry. 
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Her talk was really in depth. 
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pet parent would have like a lot
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caliber of pet parent that was 
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everybody you could see was 
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transitioning to raw feeding or 
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dogs. 
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I think than cat people, which 
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things, unfortunately for our 
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species appropriate food too, 
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think with cats, you know, since
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people are like ready to like 
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dogs than they do cats in my 
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Susan Thixon. 
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her sharing her personal stories
of certain threats that she's 

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received in trying to uncover 
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pet food industry was really eye
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right? 
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naturopathic doctors in the 
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death, death threats from big 
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like, they assume that that's 
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they feel like they need to. 
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that I was like, I can't believe
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she's getting threats on her 
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she continues to bring attention
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of the pet food industry and 
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when it like pigs and like the 
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on the neighboring communities 
that are usually poor, the 

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impact that it has on our water 
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things that are really eye 

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opening and a lot of consumers 
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reiterated how important it is 
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I don't feed raw. 
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into it properly. 
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ability and it just takes like a
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research what I'm buying, where 
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choices. 
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of said like this one is what I 
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directly into my life. 
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know, sure, like I took a lot of
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that I learned at these things I
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my like kids diet and stuff. 
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but it just was, I've always 
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dangers, the gross stuff that 
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eat or we feed our pets. 
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better because not only do I not
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industries, but I also don't 
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give it to my loved ones, 
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well, they be pets or kids. 
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appreciate about Susan the most 
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even with everything that is 
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She is like when she's just with
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not industry, but when she's 
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that she knows and that supports
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She can let you know her real 
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the FDA, when she is attending 
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talking directly to pet food 
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and so level headed and she 
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What has happened to her and the
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frustration like derail any of 
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She said that she had like, she 

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had sent a complaint, which, 
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that you go through these 
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still waiting for a response 
like 3-5 years later or 

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something. 
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like, you know, attorneys and 
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they're not really giving her 
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which the FDA has to respond. 
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Just don't, yeah. 
We're not we're not going down 

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this route. 
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Like she's brave because she 
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like inflammatory T-shirts. 
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anymore after what happened to 

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her, but like, she used to, 
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feathers. 
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received a threat, like a 
physical violence, a threat of 

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physical violence. 
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And that was, to me, really cool
that despite all that, she still

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continues to share her knowledge
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I mean, you've got to be pretty 
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I think she is and, but also, 
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professionalism that came 
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I did hear a quite a few people 
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no idea. 
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Typically to Susan's top. 
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Which honestly surprised me, 
like as far as who was in 

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attendance, like you said, like 
you felt felt that they were 

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like just a different caliber of
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And yet that's where I got like,
I was hearing the most like, Oh 

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my gosh, I didn't know that. 
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that? 
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I'm like, isn't this why we're 
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feeding them in the first place?
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They I think pet parents 
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because of illness a lot of the 
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like, I need to do something 
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My pet has kidney disease, my 
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or that or the other. 
And I want to extend their life.

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So I'm going to feed them this 
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But in feeding them the better 
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that disgusting factory farming 
agricultural nightmare behind, 

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which is obviously like a 
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They change. 
But yeah, I think that people 

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like, it's, I think a lot of 
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when they start discovering 
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So it's like effects them as in 
like, I have a friend who's 

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vegan and the reason she went 
vegan is not because of the 

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animals, it's because of the 
mental health of this 

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slaughterhouse workers. 
And she just kind of went down 

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this rabbit hole and was like, I
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supporting. 
Was it you and I that had this 

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conversation before? 
I don't know. 

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I don't think so. 
But she like she was a meat 

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eater and like I remember like 
we hadn't seen each other for a 

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while and all of a sudden she's 
like, I'm vegan and I was like, 

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I was vegetarian forever. 
And you guys were like always 

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accommodating of us, but I had 
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And she was like, well, it 
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it's about the people, right? 
So like, and then she like found

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out about the environmental 
impact of these like pig farms 

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or whatever where they like 
throw out carcasses. 

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They just like throw them out. 
And there's like mounds of 

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carcasses just like seeming into
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And so those are the things that
motivated her. 

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And just like, you know, people 
going into groups with their dog

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having XYZ condition and finding
that there's a big consensus 

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around diet. 
So they switch, but they don't 

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really know the horrors. 
And so the, the more those 

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people share, right, they were 
shocked. 

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So they went home and they were 
like, dude, it's so gross, you 

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know, because really that's what
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It's like nobody should be 
eating like weeks old carcasses.

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So, yeah, just like a quick 
tangent, because I really 

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thought we had had this 
conversation because I used to 

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be vegetarian for like many, 
many, like over a decade. 

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And I also thought that I would 
like I was doing it for for the 

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animals. 
That's what I believed. 

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But the more I started to 
research it, in my opinion we're

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actually doing more harm than 
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vegetarian. 
We we actually will do better if

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we just switch to regeneratively
farmed crops and and. 

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Well, a lot of people. 
A lot of people. 

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For the environment, like 
animals, yeah, yeah. 

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But some people do it for the 
environment. 

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So those people, yes, Like in 
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vegetarian and and then vegan, 
it was, I didn't want to hurt an

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animal. 
I just did it like I didn't feel

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that that animal should die for 
me to have a burger like that 

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was. 
And now I still, I still 

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genuinely believe that, but I 
also it's like not that black 

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and white for me anymore. 
It isn't. 

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I'm insulin resistant so it's 
very difficult for me to. 

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that like. 
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you 'cause I have a really hard 
time processing my feelings 

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around an animal having to die. 
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locally farmed, regeneratively 
farmed agriculture, then we are 

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still, we are still buying into 
monocropping. 

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We're still buying into soil 
depletion. 

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We're still buying into killing 
literally like you're, you're 

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killing thousands of animals. 
They're just, they just happen 

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to be in the soil. 
A different animal. 

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Versus killing a cow or a pig or
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and all kinds of different bugs 
and like any and everything that

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would live in the soil. 
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I think if you don't stop, if 
you stop researching, at that 

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point, it should be a cycle. 
It should be a cycle. 

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Like if you just stop 
researching and you're like, OK,

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I'm done. 
I'm not eating meat anymore. 

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Like you're actually doing more 
harm to the planet and the 

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environment and animals in 
general just just because it's 

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not one that has a beautiful 
face sitting on your plate. 

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Well, for me, it was mammals. 
Like after I became a mom, it 

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was very hard for me to imagine 
that this mother who is 

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literally breastfeeding her baby
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baby just gets taken from her. 
And if it's a boy, it becomes 

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veal. 
And if it's a girl, it becomes, 

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you know, another factory farm 
worker. 

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And so As for me, it was like 
mammals were my thing. 

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And then pork, you know, just 
because I found out how 

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disgusting a lot of the pork 
production is. 

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It just kind of went from there 
and there and there. 

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But like what? 
Regardless of why we choose to 

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not eat meat or eat meat, we 
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we know, especially responsible 
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should not be vegan or 
vegetarian. 

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I mean, there was, yes, the 
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living dogs was vegetarian. 
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he was getting like fresh eggs 
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these things that and like fresh
vegetables that they grew there.

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I think he was Australian, that 
dog. 

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And so that's like a very unique
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It wasn't like a vegetarian 
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That's like, that's not at all. 
And that dog lived outside and 

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then soil was healthy and like 
totally so many. 

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Apples and oranges for sure. 
So like most responsible pet 

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owners know that like having a 
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great option, especially if 
they're, if they're really 

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educated in nutrition, right? 
Like they know, like if they 

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don't know anything about 
nutrition and they are happy 

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eating lentils themselves every 
single day of the week, and then

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they're going to feed their dogs
lentils all the time. 

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Like we can't, that's not our, 
that's not our pet parent. 

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Like that's not our client or 
that's not our pet parent 

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avatar, right? 
Like we speak to pet parents who

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are a little more discerning for
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their pets. 
So those people tend to kind of 

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like, yes, improve the pet's 
diet without knowing what they 

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left behind. 
And like, those pet parents in 

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that room, you could see them 
being like, thank God I, like, 

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changed, right? 
Like, thank goodness this is not

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my reality because, like, I 
don't feed this, right. 

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Yeah. 
Unfortunately, you know, we have

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a client avatar and most of 
these people are probably of a 

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higher socioeconomic level 
because they can afford to feed 

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their pets better than they feed
themselves usually. 

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I lived in Louisiana in the 
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We didn't have any good 
vegetables anywhere. 

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Like we didn't we have to drive 
to Lafayette or Beaumont, TX or 

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something like that to get 
anything at a farmers market 

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because ours was awful. 
We had Walmart that was our 

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grocery store and our department
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So like those people right there
are not going to feed their pets

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better than they feed 
themselves. 

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They don't have access to it. 
But the people in Williamsburg 

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do have options. 
And these people are of a higher

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socio economic level where they 
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the the ability to to get these 
things and do these things. 

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Like one of the people that we 
spoke to was like just graduated

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law school and like was joining 
a firm and like obviously that's

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a very highly educated person 
who is also like single, no kids

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and has like this dog, maybe 1. 
I think it was one dog where 

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they can spoil that dog. 
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So then it's not as expensive to
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It's like, it would be like an 
80 LB dog, right? 

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So everybody has different 
socioeconomic levels and 

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abilities and the location 
really impacts you. 

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But every little step we take, 
and I think that that's really 

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what I took away from the whole 
summit, is like, there are ways 

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to make little impacts, even if 
it's not available to you, even 

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if it's not every day even. 
So like education being so 

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important because then when 
you're educated, you know what 

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you can and cannot do or like 
where you can focus your 

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attention. 
Because as a pet parent who just

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sits at home and listens to us 
and listens to Kara and listens 

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to, you know, Doctor Katie 
Kangas or Doctor Katie Woodley 

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or whatever, like they're just 
following people. 

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They're like overwhelmed by 
like, where do I even start? 

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And having the opportunity to be
in the same room with people, 

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ask questions. 
That's like a great way for 

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people to start kind of honing 
in on what they can do as 

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opposed to feeling like I'm just
really feeling my pet right now,

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which I think a lot of people 
feel when they start going down 

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the rabbit hole. 
Sure. 

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Well, and I, I mean, I think 
isn't that, I think that's true 

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of anything you start to unlearn
and relearn anything in. 

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Life no better. 
Do better, right? 

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And that's why it's called The 
More You know. 

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So, yeah. 
So I loved Susan Thixon's 

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conversation about that stuff 
and like, how important it is to

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understand the problems that she
addresses with the FDA, right. 

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So like, she basically broke it 
down, like what it is that she 

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goes to them with and what it is
that she takes issue with. 

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And then Dr. Katie Kangas talked
about hi. 

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What did she talk about? 
Integrative Medicine. 

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When to go to the vet, like when
to when you need like Western 

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medicine versus when you can do 
integrative medicine. 

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And I think again, she went 
pretty deep. 

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Like it was like you and I have 
done this on a very like new pet

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parent level. 
She took it way further, which 

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was good for that audience 
because I even I learned stuff 

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that I was like, oh, that's 
really cool. 

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And I remember taking a lot of 
screenshots and things that she 

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like shared about specific 
ingredients and how those 

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ingredients are those like herbs
or whatever can help in certain 

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situations before you need to go
to like allopathic medicine. 

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And you know, she was not at all
because she's a veterinarian 

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against Western medicine. 
It was just a matter of like, 

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this is what you're going to get
at the vet, and that's probably 

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not the best thing to start 
with. 

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So let's try this. 
And she talked about allergies, 

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she talked about kidney health. 
She talked about a lot of 

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different very common 
conditions, which I thought was 

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really good. 
Yeah. 

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Well, and, and I think that's 
probably to your point just a 

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minute ago, one of the most 
important topics of the whole 

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day for pet parents to, to take 
away from the summit or to take 

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away from anything they're 
learning, you know, anything 

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they're searching for online 
because it is very like, it can 

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be very polarizing. 
And you can, when you Start 

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learning to when you Start 
learning that there's a 

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different way, you can kind of 
overcorrect and say, oh, I don't

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want any pharmaceuticals. 
I don't want any, you know, 

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veterinarian intervention. 
And that's, that's an 

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overcorrection. 
And in my opinion and 

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overcorrection. 
No, in in most, I feel like most

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people would agree with you that
like there's a time and a place 

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for everything. 
And yeah, going completely, no, 

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Western medicine is something 
that people do because they 

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become scared of the Western 
medicine. 

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But like, she was very good 
about making it. 

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So it's not scary, it's just 
maybe not the best option. 

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Yeah. 
It's, it's again to me, it 

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always comes back to informed 
consent. 

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So we can make the best 
decisions for our pets when we 

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actually know the all of the 
options that we have available 

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to us and the risk versus reward
for all of them. 

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And that's something that we 
don't get most of the time. 

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I feel like we don't even get it
just because even our vets 

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aren't that educated in the 
option the other options. 

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So like it's not like it's being
withheld from us. 

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It's just like, well, the. 
Options. 

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Information, but the. 
Options, yes. 

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Yeah, the options, yes. 
But also they're not. 

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They're like, when was the last 
time they told you what the side

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effects were of a medication 
before they dispensed it to your

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animal? 
I ask yes, because you're but I.

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Feel like that's also like on 
the consumer, right? 

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Like you do not take any 
medication for your pet, your 

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child. 
This is like a APSA. 

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You do not receive, you do not 
take, ingest, or give to your 

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pet or your child or your sick 
parent or whomever it is any 

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medication without first asking 
about the side effects. 

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Yes, for humans they're required
to give you the pamphlet when 

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you fill it at the at the 
pharmacy they give you the whole

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thing. 
Most people just move and trash 

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it. 
No read it for pets but. 

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You don't they're. 
Not going to give you that. 

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You don't get anything, you get 
0. 

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So that's where you as a pet 
parent have to say, what side 

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effects can this cause? 
Not only because you want an 

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informed consent, but because if
you do choose to give it, let's 

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say that it's the only thing. 
Like my dog is now on pro and 

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because she's leaking, I'm cool 
with pro and I can't have her 

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pissing all over my house. 
Excuse the expression. 

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I know that's very vulgar, but 
like that is the reality. 

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Like I can't have her doing 
that. 

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So she's on pro and now I'm 
going to give it to her, but I 

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want to know what side effects 
to look for because just because

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Proen works really well to 
harden the walls of the bladder 

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and prevent incontinence or 
control incontinence doesn't 

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mean that she is going to take 
well to it. 

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Like if it's a causing another 
issue, I want to know what the 

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issue is and I want to be able 
to call it and be like, that's 

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the new medication. 
So you do not take yourself, 

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your kids, your pets, any 
medication without knowing what 

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to look for. 
And side effects are usually a 

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sign that it's not compatible 
with you. 

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Like, you know, they say like, 
oh, there's one in a million 

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users may experience. 
So like, if you're that one in a

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million, find something else. 
Like you should not continue to 

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take this. 
And I love when like 

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pharmaceutical companies on the 
ads, they're like, don't take 

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this medication if you're 
allergic to it. 

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Like obviously, but like, I 
wouldn't know before taking it 

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if I'm allergic to it. 
But how do you know if you're 

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allergic to it? 
Anaphylaxis is not your only 

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sign of allergy. 
There are a lot of other signs. 

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So as an informed consumer, you 
need to ask the question. 

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And as a pet parent, you do not 
give medication without asking. 

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My dog's socks was super. 
She's the biggest dog I've ever 

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had. 
She was the most sensitive to 

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00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,000
any medication. 
So I would tell the vet that 

450
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,640
before even accepting 
medication, before they dosed, I

451
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,440
would say she is super sensitive
and I would tell them examples. 

452
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,680
We gave her like a some kind of 
like a sedative for a road trip 

453
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,640
one day and she was like walking
into walls for two days and we 

454
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320
gave her like half the dose. 
She metabolized things 

455
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,480
differently. 
Antibiotics ruined her stomach. 

456
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040
So we had to support her stomach
even though she needed an 

457
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200
antibiotic. 
Yes, she had E coli, she needed 

458
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
the antibiotic, but it needed to
be the right antibiotic, the 

459
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,160
right dosage and we needed to 
support it. 

460
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,440
So like those conversations with
your vet, like it happens with 

461
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,920
so much like one of my loved 
ones who I will not throw under 

462
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,720
the bus. 
It has been having some health 

463
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520
issues. 
And I asked, did you tell the 

464
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,360
doctor you're on XYZ? 
And they say, Oh no, I forgot. 

465
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,040
You can't forget you've got to 
be uninformed and consumer and 

466
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,200
advocate for yourself by simply 
just giving the doctor the 

467
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,120
information that they need to 
have. 

468
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,920
Like you need to remember what 
other pet? 

469
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,600
Like if your pet has an allergy 
or reaction to something, write 

470
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,400
it down. 
Put it in your notes in your 

471
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,680
iPhone, put it somewhere there's
AI note takers now. 

472
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,640
Like write it down. 
So the next time you're at the 

473
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,400
vet, you pull it up and you're 
like, Oh yeah, they can't take 

474
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320
that. 
They had a reaction. 

475
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,920
Like my nephew is allergic to 
amoxicillin. 

476
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,880
Like when he goes to the doctor 
and he needs, he needs 

477
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
antibiotics, the first thing 
we're going to say is he can't 

478
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,800
have amoxicillin. 
But like if nobody says that, 

479
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,080
the doctor's going to probably 
prescribe amoxicillin. 

480
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,080
So again, like a long winded 
reminder that that's your 

481
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,280
responsibility to ask your vet 
because you are not going to get

482
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,960
it. 
Because vets, as we've, as we've

483
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,200
discussed a million times, are 
rushing because there's a vet 

484
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,760
shortage. 
They need to get to the next 

485
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
patient. 
They're trying their best to see

486
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,800
everybody and they may not give 
you that information even though

487
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,520
they probably should because it,
you know, first do no harm, 

488
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,400
right? 
But like, let's just assume that

489
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,480
it's a team effort. 
You need to ask to. 

490
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Always, Yeah, absolutely, 
absolutely. 

491
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:55,480
But I think for me, like if I 
were to try to put myself in the

492
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,760
shoes of just the average person
owning a pet, trying to get 

493
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080
through, trying to do the best I
can, I think Doctor Katie 

494
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Kangas's talk would be like at 
the top of my list for for 

495
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,080
things people need to know to 
get started. 

496
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,720
So that's why I appreciated it. 
And I always love talking to 

497
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,040
her. 
She's so cute, she's so funny. 

498
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,000
She's. 
She's. 

499
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Very like natural. 
She's not she's just very 

500
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
herself. 
I really I got, we got, we went 

501
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,960
out to a brewery after and I got
I enjoyed talking to her because

502
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,000
she's like a really positive 
person kind of 0 drama. 

503
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,080
She gave me the vibes of like 
she doesn't want drama like 

504
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,720
she's like. 
She's. 

505
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Like she's too big for the 
drama, like she's too herself 

506
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,360
and living her best life and 
she's good. 

507
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760
And I thought she was really 
cool to get to know. 

508
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,600
I'm very approachable. 
And then I loved Rita Hogan's 

509
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,400
talk. 
She's I've met Rita multiple 

510
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640
times at like super zoo. 
I thought she was a super nice 

511
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,720
person always. 
But like we've never spoken at 

512
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,920
length. 
It was just mostly like chit 

513
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,680
chatting at the 2 crazy cat 
ladies party or like when we 

514
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,040
went to dinner together in Vegas
and stuff. 

515
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
But she killed it. 
Like she killed her 

516
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,960
presentation. 
She made me laugh so much. 

517
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,800
She had a lot of like tongue in 
cheek humor and her presentation

518
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,840
was great. 
Like if you go to my stories 

519
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,080
actually covered in pet hair on 
Instagram, I did create a 

520
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,440
highlight from the more you know
pet Summit. 

521
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,640
And I did take some screenshots 
and I'll probably and you know, 

522
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640
I probably will refer back to 
them. 

523
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,800
But there was a lot of just like
really cool basic info. 

524
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,760
And if you don't have her book, 
like I don't have it yet, I'm 

525
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,040
going to get it. 
I want it. 

526
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
I wanted it signed. 
So I'm going to get it at in 

527
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Vegas at Super Zoo, but it's 
just so cool what you can do 

528
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,960
with herbs and how much respect 
for and knowledge of she has of 

529
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,880
like plant medicine. 
And when you hear somebody that 

530
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,240
knowledgeable speak, you see how
powerful these things are and 

531
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,560
how underutilized they are. 
And she talked not only about 

532
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,400
pets, but also like just 
medicinal, like the kidneys 

533
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,640
function the same in dogs as 
they do in humans. 

534
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
So like, you know what I mean? 
Like if you have kidneys, this 

535
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,520
would be good for you. 
If you have a liver, this would 

536
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360
be good for you. 
Because there's so many overlaps

537
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160
because again, we're all 
mammals, right? 

538
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,360
And we all have a lot of the 
same organs and a lot of the 

539
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,960
same exposure to toxins, whether
it be medications, environmental

540
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000
or just like in our foods or 
whatever. 

541
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:47,160
So I, I loved that she made so 
many really poignant jokes and 

542
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,520
shared so much like, take it to 
the bank. 

543
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Kind of like advice, like just 
nitty gritty. 

544
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, and it wasn't like a 

545
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,920
constant. 
Refer to my book. 

546
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Right. 
Oh God. 

547
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,240
It was no, she would. 
She gave so much value. 

548
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, in her, in her speech. 

549
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
That just reminded me of Susan 
Thixon going back when she was 

550
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,720
like, I, I can't tell you what 
brand this is. 

551
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Oh my gosh. 
She was hilarious. 

552
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160
She was so funny. 
So she's telling us a story 

553
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,480
about like a brand, like a big 
conglomerate that makes pet 

554
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,640
food. 
So one of the Nestle's Mars, you

555
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
know, like the big ones. 
And I won't say who it is either

556
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600
because like you have to go to 
these things to get the nitty, 

557
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,360
like to get the Goss right. 
But she was like, I can't tell 

558
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,000
you who it is. 
And then she gets like a basket 

559
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
of candy from this brand and 
starts throwing it to the 

560
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,360
audience. 
She's like, I won't tell you the

561
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,760
secret's safe with me, but you 
know, and she's just like 

562
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,000
obviously telling us she's. 
Such a clean who it is. 

563
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,320
That cracked me up. 
And I like, I died. 

564
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,280
I was like, she's iconic. 
Susan Dixon is an icon already 

565
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,640
like in the industry, in the 
natural pet space. 

566
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Like she's been an icon forever.
And she's such like a sassy, 

567
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,360
awesome lady that I just, I was 
like, I've always fanned for 

568
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,760
her. 
Like I was fangirling when I saw

569
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,040
her there, but like that just 
like solidified that she is just

570
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,360
such an icon. 
She is. 

571
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:27,720
She really, really is. 
And so Wild Heart Pet Wellness 

572
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,920
is saying, does the US not have 
vet telehealth consults for 

573
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
clients who don't have access to
holistic clinics? 

574
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,520
We actually do. 
We do. 

575
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,600
They finally. 
The problem is. 

576
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Yeah. 
The problem is the money for 

577
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,320
people in the US. 
Well, yes, but also there just 

578
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,000
aren't that many of them. 
Yeah, well, I mean, 

579
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280
realistically speaking, most 
people in the US like the in the

580
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,080
whole of the US, right. 
Like forget big city versus 

581
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
small, like suburb or rural 
area. 

582
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,200
Most people aren't even taking 
their vet, the pet to the vet 

583
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,320
once a year, not even 5 * a 
year. 

584
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,920
So like it's a very small 
percentage of the US pet parent 

585
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,080
that's going to invest in a 
telehealth. 

586
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,440
And even then, if they if they 
do, it's like, where do you even

587
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,000
start? 
Who do you go to? 

588
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Like the, the lot of these 
people who used to take consults

589
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,840
are now kind of like reaching 
out to like the general 

590
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,000
population because they reach 
more people and they don't do 

591
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
consults anymore. 
And it's just a scary, I think 

592
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,480
it's a scary place to, to be a 
holistic vet. 

593
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Like it's not something you put 
out there all the time. 

594
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,360
So, well, and but to your point 
about the financial aspect of 

595
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,639
it, the reality of telehealth 
for pets and humans are, is very

596
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,480
different. 
So there are certainly going to 

597
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960
be things that as a human, 
you're not going to be able to 

598
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,239
get telehealth medicine for 
because you're going to need lab

599
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,640
work, You're going to need 
things that you need to go in 

600
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,840
for. 
The reality of any sort of 

601
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,080
telemedicine with pets is that 
because they can't tell you how 

602
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
they're feeling, they can't tell
you what their symptoms are, 

603
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
you're always going to have you 
can. 

604
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,680
You can have a consult with a 
holistic or integrated 

605
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:24,080
veterinarian, but you're always 
also going to need another 

606
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,400
veterinarian to actually 
physically put their hands on 

607
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,720
your animal, to palpate things, 
to see what the range of motion 

608
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,720
is in their limbs, to look in 
their eyes and their ears and in

609
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,200
their mouth. 
And then, you know, do the blood

610
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,520
draws, do the diagnostics, do 
the X-rays. 

611
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
That I mean, I don't have any 
doctors that won't that'll see 

612
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,840
my kids over telehealth. 
No, no, no doctor will see my 

613
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,360
kids over telehealth only for an
acute thing like like there's an

614
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,320
ear infection and I, I literally
have to show images of the ear 

615
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,720
in order for them to just refer 
me to the doctor. 

616
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,600
So is that? 
Because they're under 18. 

617
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080
I think it's just because of 
liability. 

618
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
I think for the humans it's 
malpractice. 

619
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Like if I diagnose you some way,
Telehealth is not meant to be 

620
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,840
for humans either. 
Like diagnostic it's like a 

621
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,800
follow up over telehealth's 
fine. 

622
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,160
But like your first consult with
that, an endocrinologist is 

623
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,480
going to be in the office and 
they're going to pull, you know 

624
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,760
what I mean? 
So like, I don't see, I don't 

625
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,880
see it that different just 
because again, it's everybody's 

626
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,920
covering their ass. 
But like you said, telehealth is

627
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,800
great as a follow up. 
But also, if you're paying now 

628
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,360
the telehealth vet and your 
regular vet when you can't even 

629
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,760
afford to spay and neuter, which
is literally where we are in the

630
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,480
United States right now, then 
it's just not. 

631
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,280
It's just not going to. 
It's just not going to happen. 

632
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,800
It's just not going to like 
we're asking. 

633
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,920
It's like asking a pet parent 
more than they're already doing,

634
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,440
which is nothing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

635
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Well, yeah, I mean, obviously 
that's not true of every pet 

636
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,160
parent, but it probably is for a
good percentage. 

637
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Remember we did a show on how 
often pet parents are taking 

638
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920
their pets to the vet and it was
abysmal. 

639
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,040
Yeah. 
There's abysmal as a general 

640
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,320
rule in the US cuz this question
is about the US as a whole. 

641
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,560
So yeah, it's not good. 
But yes, you see, you see that 

642
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,240
more in like big cities where 
the incomes are higher. 

643
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,160
Like Chicago has amazing. 
And the only reason I know is 

644
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,880
cuz I have a client in Chicago 
who she has 17 year old dogs who

645
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,440
are spry and happy, but they've 
been a holistic vet their whole 

646
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000
life. 
They eat the best foods. 

647
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,400
My client, she owns Blue Fins 
and company and she is like 

648
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,600
herself so healthy. 
She's the kind of person that 

649
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520
got rid of all of her spandex 
stuff because of like chemical 

650
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,520
exposure and all that. 
Like she is the real deal. 

651
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,440
So like she has access to 
everything in Chicago. 

652
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,400
I have another friend actually 
Green Line Pet Supply, Jennifer,

653
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120
they go to the same vet in 
Chicago. 

654
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,240
Like they're talking about how 
amazing and saying they're 

655
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:04,360
holistic, you know, 
veterinarians and specialists 

656
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,520
and all that. 
Even in DC we had great 

657
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,600
specialists, but the holistic 
part of it was not really there 

658
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,040
because in DC people tended to 
be more medical. 

659
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,240
They wanted the doctor. 
They wanted the vaccine against 

660
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,760
everything. 
They wanted the specialist with 

661
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,080
the chemotherapy. 
They didn't want to try herbs, 

662
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,000
you know, So like, it's all, 
it's very, the United States is 

663
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,440
so big, it's so different in, in
different markets and 

664
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,440
everybody's so different In El 
Paso, we like are terrible pet 

665
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,200
parents. 
Like not myself, but like as a 

666
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,360
general rule, where I live, the 
education is lacking, the 

667
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,080
resources are lacking, and we 
don't even have enough regular 

668
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,360
bets. 
We have 0 holistic bets because 

669
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,320
a holistic bet would not would 
not make it here. 

670
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Like, I don't think anybody paid
to see one. 

671
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,160
That's crazy. 
That's crazy to me. 

672
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,320
But yeah, no. 
There's we don't even have like 

673
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,320
real. 
We like let's talk about real 

674
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,960
quick about the nautical dog, 
how awesome their their like 

675
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,200
products are like nobody. 
Didn't you love her store? 

676
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,120
I didn't go. 
But. 

677
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,080
I That's right, because you 
were. 

678
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,280
You were sick that night. 
Yeah, but she put out like she 

679
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,400
had vendors of stuff that she 
sells. 

680
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,280
And like our friend Lauren of 
Girl Got Girls Gone Raw. 

681
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,320
Yeah, Girls Gone Raw. 
I love I was wearing her T-shirt

682
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,760
while I was in Baltimore, but 
Girls Gone Raw, like sells 

683
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,320
literal like body parts that are
freeze dried or dehydrated or 

684
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,760
whatever it is that she does 
with them. 

685
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,480
And like here in El Paso, nobody
would buy that. 

686
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,320
Like people would think you were
crazy, you know, because it's 

687
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,280
like a totally different, like 
here, people like the human 

688
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,920
beings live off of like beans 
and rice every more every day, 

689
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,360
tortillas and beans and rice 
like carbs, carbs, carbs all the

690
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,560
time, right? 
That's just like the food we 

691
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,320
eat. 
So Millie Millie's were all 

692
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,800
alive. 
Bought the T-shirt too. 

693
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Yes, it's so cute. 
We loved her T-shirt. 

694
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,240
Hi, Millie's were all alive. 
I'm like living in it lately. 

695
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,800
I know it's so cute. 
It's like a little crop top with

696
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,080
like a like a wolf looking 
thing. 

697
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,200
It's so cute. 
Very rock'n'roll. 

698
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,800
But yeah, like I just I saw so 
much stuff and I did come. 

699
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,160
They had what's really cool is 
yes, they had like the store was

700
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,080
open. 
So Nautical Dog was open, but 

701
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,320
and this was like a like a block
and a half away from the actual 

702
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,000
store, the event. 
But she created like a little 

703
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,680
shop in the back where Jessica 
was put out her table and real 

704
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,800
mushrooms was there. 
Then it was Doctor Katie Kangas,

705
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,640
then it was the Green Juju, then
it was Lauren and Girls Gone 

706
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Raw, and then was On the Right 
There. 

707
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,080
There was some so Flo didn't 
make it, but they still put out 

708
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,640
the crude carnivore. 
Crude carnivore, the book she 

709
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,040
has and then. 
Rita was selling her book or no 

710
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,600
just signing it cuz everybody 
who attended got a book thanks 

711
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,280
to the. 
Innovative, innovative pet lab 

712
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,800
who was also there. 
Yes, Innovative Pet Lab was 

713
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,520
right next to us. 
They sponsored a book for every 

714
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520
attendee. 
So that was amazing cuz 

715
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,680
everybody got to you guys should
have seen the swag bag. 

716
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,120
I know we. 
Didn't get one. 

717
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
We didn't get one, but I was so 
jealous because I was not an 

718
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,880
attendee. 
I mean, I went with Jessica. 

719
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,200
Jessica was a paid sponsor, so 
she was there and I was just 

720
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,000
tagging along to help her and 
just hand out bookmarks. 

721
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,640
Did you got your bookmark? 
Did you get your bookmark? 

722
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,600
You did. 
You were so amazing. 

723
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,000
And we did not get the swag bag,
but would I tell you that that 

724
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,680
swag bag was amazing. 
There were. 

725
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,600
There were body parts from Girls
Gone Raw. 

726
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,280
There was. 
The book was in there. 

727
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,840
There was. 
There was like full size, Yeah, 

728
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,400
whole size Tinctures from Doctor
Katie King. 

729
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Yes. 
That's. 

730
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Right. 
I think Goodness Gracious had a 

731
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,720
full size treat bag in there. 
There was so much. 

732
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,240
There was so much stuff like it 
took us 2 hours to fill those 

733
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,640
in. 
Like we, we like volunteered to 

734
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,880
like help fill them and it took 
us two hours and then we got 

735
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,320
worried that they were going to 
like bottom out because they 

736
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,920
were so heavy with so many 
goodies in there. 

737
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,800
So that was a really big treat 
and I how much was it to get in?

738
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,440
I think it was like 15125, 
something like that. 

739
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Like yeah, like 1. 
I think it, well, I think it was

740
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,640
like 1, maybe 125. 
And then if you were able to get

741
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,000
like a VIP ticket, that was a 
little extra. 

742
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,520
If you were, if you decided to 
go to the coffee talk the next 

743
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,200
morning, that was a little 
extra. 

744
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,760
And then let me see if I can 
find my SO. 

745
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Yeah, the 125, give or take that
it was, was 100% reimbursed in 

746
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,240
that bag. 
It was more, I think it was more

747
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,920
than and then absolutely. 
So Amanda did her magazine 

748
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,680
again, which is so cute. 
So if you're watching, you can 

749
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
see the magazine, but it's like 
it's one of the most beautiful 

750
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,120
magazines I've seen. 
Gorgeous. 

751
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,920
And our friend Jessica here has 
two articles in that magazine, 

752
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,480
right? 
I do, I do. 

753
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,440
I did an article. 
On your pic it's so cute. 

754
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Oh my goodness, I have an 
article on Not everything is 

755
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,320
yeast. 
And we're actually, we should 

756
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,080
have talked about yeast so much.
Doctor. 

757
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,720
Connor Brady Doctor Connor Brady
talked about yeast. 

758
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
He's like everything's yeast. 
And I'm like, no, it's not 

759
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Connor. 
But no, he was like, he really 

760
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,720
if if you really broke it down, 
he was like, Oh, my hardest 

761
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,600
clients that I just can't figure
out wind up being yeast. 

762
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,640
That's really what he and then I
have. 

763
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,320
Connection of the and the 
bacteria in the yeast. 

764
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,320
That's really what it was about.
It was like when our dogs 

765
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,720
bacteria is all like our pets or
our own bacteria Biome is out of

766
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,480
whack, then that's when we start
getting these issues with yeast 

767
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,280
that, you know, it's it's like 
we're treating one thing and 

768
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,800
then the other thing gets 
exacerbated and it's just like 

769
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,360
this big mess. 
And so that's what he was kind 

770
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,400
of digging into. 
Show me your picture. 

771
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Oh well, I was going to show you
a separate one. 

772
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,640
My picture. 
It's just the. 

773
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,040
The Cocchio. 
She's like half, half as the 

774
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,160
person who works for magazines. 
That's 1/2. 

775
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,720
Page layout. 
That's huge. 

776
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,440
And then I did a step by step 
guide to transitioning your cat 

777
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,520
from kibble to a species 
appropriate diet, which I was 

778
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,280
really, really excited to put 
that one in because I feel like 

779
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,480
our kitties need need those. 
Yeah, and that's the one that 

780
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,680
people get turned off by the 
most cuz there's like there's so

781
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,760
much information about dogs and 
transitioning. 

782
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,800
So there's this like such a 
welcome thing. 

783
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,840
Do you have this online that 
other people can read? 

784
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,840
Yeah, actually there are blogs 
on my website, so you can go to 

785
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,040
jessicalfisher.com and they're 
there also. 

786
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,960
And look at Lauren. 
Look at how cute Lauren is. 

787
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,560
Lauren's the cutest. 
I only met Lauren Girls gone raw

788
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,520
at this event. 
Like that was the first time I'd

789
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,760
ever met her. 
Aww. 

790
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,800
And she is just so much fun and 
she's so sweet. 

791
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,440
And Kara, we missed you. 
Raw Pie Adventure says she's 

792
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,040
busy as I pack my bags. 
Is this like the pack to move? 

793
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,160
Packing. 
Yep, Yep. 

794
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,320
Good luck with that, Kara. 
She's moving states, so she's in

795
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
the middle of a big life change,
but we're gonna see her at Super

796
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,240
Zoo, God willing. 
Connor got a huge one too. 

797
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Look at that, Connor Brady. 
Okay, so that takes us. 

798
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,400
We've talked about everybody 
except. 

799
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600
For Connor Brady. 
For Connor Brady, Yep. 

800
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,720
So we didn't talk about Amy, Amy
Rens. 

801
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,840
We talked about her a little 
bit, but hers was you. 

802
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,760
Did you? 
Started. 

803
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,360
With you, yeah, hers is, I mean,
I think you anything you can do 

804
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,800
to catch Amy Wrens anywhere, you
should because you'll learn so 

805
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,840
much from her. 
She talked about nutrition like 

806
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:06,600
and like, like I talked about I 
I was impressed by the depth 

807
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,280
that she went into because it 
was literally like we're talking

808
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,040
macros and micros that we're 
talking about in depth stuff. 

809
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,720
This was not an elementary like 
This is why you feed species 

810
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:21,360
appropriate. 
This was about like the 

811
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,760
nutrients and what your pets 
need. 

812
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,440
It was really cool. 
It was really in depth. 

813
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,960
It's hard for us to just like 
even just like start talking 

814
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,720
about it because there's so much
depth to it. 

815
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,640
While pet Wellness says OK. 
I work in the holistic vet 

816
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,480
industry. 
Our clients use local vets for 

817
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,000
diagnostics. 
But yes, correct, it's 

818
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,720
unaffordable for probably the 
most most of the population. 

819
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,640
Unfortunately, just veterinary 
care is so expensive. 

820
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,160
And it's not that our vets don't
deserve it and it's not that 

821
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,880
it's just not in line with the 
industry. 

822
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,400
It's just that, you know, we 
adopt this dog for $200 at the 

823
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,040
shelter and then they you don't 
need $1000 in medical stuff and 

824
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,760
you're like. 
I need, I need Millie's raw life

825
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,880
to like follow me around and 
realize how not perfect my hair 

826
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,400
is. 
She's like, she says Jess's hair

827
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,040
is always perfect. 
Shake my head. 

828
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,680
She has the best hair. 
I tell her all the time. 

829
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,080
Millie, thank you so much 
because I found her all the 

830
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,120
time. 
It's not fun to be the like the 

831
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,800
the friend who like is always 
like admiring her hair pet it. 

832
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Dogs are barking like crazy. 
They're like, she has the best 

833
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,320
hair, just the best hair, but 
not as good as me. 

834
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,080
That's Kim since like, she 
wishes she had my hair, but it's

835
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600
really good. 
And do either of us have plans 

836
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,720
on writing a book? 
If we wrote a book, it would not

837
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,600
be about pets. 
It would be about. 

838
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,960
It would be about that's 
hilarious and dating. 

839
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,440
And it would that's it would 
hilarious. 

840
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,880
It would not. 
It would not. 

841
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:51,800
It would. 
Yeah. 

842
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,040
No, I don't think we should do 
that. 

843
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,480
We. 
Don't think so. 

844
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,560
No, I think we just talked 
about. 

845
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,760
Yeah, we're we we have a lot of 
funny discussions about dating 

846
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,480
and stuff now. 
Single. 

847
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,160
And I think if we wrote a book, 
it would be pretty entertaining.

848
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,120
Single. 
Sorry. 

849
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Yeah. 
So that's Speaking of Matt 

850
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Connor Brady. 
Connor Brady. 

851
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,440
OK, mute yourself and I'll 
start. 

852
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Mute yourself and I'll start. 
OK? 

853
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,440
So yeah, you're muted. 
OK, so anyway, so Connor Brady 

854
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,560
talked again, like a lot about 
yeast and probiotics and 

855
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,920
bacteria and that balance in the
gut and all that good stuff. 

856
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,720
Poop constantly. 
Like, just like poop this and 

857
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,640
poop that and poop this and poop
that. 

858
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,880
It was kind of hilarious. 
He's Irish, for those that are 

859
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,440
not aware. 
And just like a super cool guy. 

860
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Lots of energy in his 
presentation. 

861
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Lots of poop in his 
presentation. 

862
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,680
And I think that, you know, I 
think that most of the audience 

863
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,960
was women. 
So just like this handsome, like

864
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,920
guy, tall, handsome guy with an 
Irish accent. 

865
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,680
I don't think many of the people
took anything other than like 

866
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,120
everyone's like. 
Oh my goodness. 

867
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,240
I will say Connor cracked me up.
Like he's funny if I didn't 

868
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:20,440
already like him as a person. 
Just the jokes he made during 

869
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,720
his speech, I was like, hell 
yes, like. 

870
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,440
Yeah, and he's very accessible 
too. 

871
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,440
Like I thought he was very 
accessible. 

872
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,480
He makes it very like elementary
and no judge. 

873
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,640
None of the great thing about 
all the speakers who were there 

874
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,400
is that there was no judgement 
on what other people do. 

875
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,080
There was no like, these people 
don't know and like, Oh my God, 

876
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
they're doing a terrible job. 
It's never that. 

877
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,800
It's always like them being 
really honest about how they 

878
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,000
used to feed their pets, how 
they used to care for their pets

879
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,840
and how that evolved and why. 
And like he was very accessible 

880
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,040
to bye. 
Thank you for joining us, Wild 

881
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,240
Heart Pet Wellness. 
Thank you so much. 

882
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,440
But yeah, I, I was really 
impressed with how accessible it

883
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,200
was. 
He is not a veterinarian, which 

884
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,680
because he is Doctor Connor 
Brady. 

885
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,640
I thought he was. 
And it was at the brewery that 

886
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,400
we were talking about something 
and he said something and I was 

887
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,560
like, wait, you're not a vet. 
And he is a doctorate in animal 

888
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,040
behavior. 
Behavior. 

889
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,200
But he's not a veterinarian, but
he does do a lot of health, I 

890
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,600
guess. 
Does he still? 

891
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,840
Work in there's so much journal,
there's so much overlap. 

892
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Yeah. 
So at this point he researches 

893
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,800
research like, if that makes 
sense, like that's what he does.

894
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,920
He looks at and aggregates 
research and brings it into his 

895
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,760
practice with people, which is, 
you know, I mean, he he does 

896
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,360
some coaching. 
I don't know that he does a ton 

897
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,720
of coaching anymore, but 
supplement. 

898
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,640
Yeah. 
And he has a supplement line. 

899
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,440
And so he's used everything he's
learned through that research to

900
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,800
create this all natural 
supplement line. 

901
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,080
And then bringing education to 
pet parents through raw pet 

902
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Medics with, Oh my gosh, I can't
think of the other, I can't tell

903
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,720
you Baylor 2's names at the 
moment, but raw pet medics. 

904
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,840
And yeah, so I mean, that's he, 
he researches research is kind 

905
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,160
of what he does. 
And he did, he mentioned that he

906
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,360
was on the equivalent of Shark 
Tank in Ireland. 

907
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,960
So we got to look that up 
because that must be really fun.

908
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,280
He said that it's on the 
Internet if we want to find it. 

909
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
So I don't know what it's 
called, but he's trying to get 

910
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,720
like funding for these 
supplement lines. 

911
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,600
And then before we forget, 
Speaking of men, Billy from 

912
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,560
Green Juju was the MC and I 
thought he did a really great 

913
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,440
job. 
Again, really accessible, really

914
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,080
welcoming. 
Nothing like he didn't like put 

915
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,560
on airs and be like, welcome to 
this super important fancy place

916
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,080
that we're all like, you know, 
scholars on. 

917
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Pets. 
Could you imagine Billy doing 

918
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,680
that? 
But like sometimes, you know, 

919
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,240
you feel a lot of people don't 
go to this type of event because

920
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:25,040
they feel like it's too in depth
or it's too like these like, you

921
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,360
know, like self-righteous raw 
feeders are going to be like 

922
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,120
judging me, you know what I 
mean? 

923
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,240
And I felt even me because like,
I'm aware of a lot of these 

924
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,760
things, but I don't practice 
them. 

925
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,240
And I do like know a lot from 
being a mom about holistic 

926
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,560
options and stuff. 
And you know, we all apply what 

927
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,400
we can in our lives and in our 
families. 

928
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,920
But I went in being like, OK, 
like, I'm just gonna lay low, 

929
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,720
right? 
Like, this is Jessica's show. 

930
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:57,160
I'm just here for the ride. 
But it didn't feel at all 

931
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:03,160
stuffy. 
Like it didn't feel at all self 

932
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,040
we. 
Were just we were just all there

933
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,280
having a good time talking like 
that's how it. 

934
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,680
Feels to me yeah it was very 
chill, very low key, very 

935
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,040
informative, very welcoming. 
You know my client Kame, who 

936
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,320
owns Hearts at Home Pet sitting 
in. 

937
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,720
They serve Yorktown and Pocosa 
and mostly she drove over 

938
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:29,040
because it's like a 30 minute 
drive to the event and she came 

939
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,360
in, but she was like running 
late in the morning. 

940
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,200
So she missed Amy's 
presentation. 

941
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,520
I think Oh, she met, she missed 
both Susan and Amy's 

942
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,800
presentation, but she stayed for
all the afternoon and she was 

943
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,880
going to only come in and like 
stay for one. 

944
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,040
And she ended up staying the 
whole day and buying all sorts 

945
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,120
of stuff. 
And you know, she's the perfect 

946
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,440
person who she's in the 
industry, but she's a very full 

947
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,320
life. 
She has a grandchild, her 

948
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,640
daughters and her husband is 
travels a lot and she runs this 

949
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,760
huge business and she's 
constantly like trying to grow 

950
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,080
herself professionally and 
personally and all that. 

951
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,800
So she may not be feeding like 
homemade food for her pets, but 

952
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,960
she knew that she could improve 
little by little. 

953
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,520
So she kind of went around and 
she bought some green juju to 

954
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,560
the food so she could use as 
toppers. 

955
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,000
She bought some of the tinctures
from doctor Katie Kangas. 

956
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,120
She definitely bought some some 
gross stuff from Girls Gone Raw,

957
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,240
as did I. 
And you know, she was like, I 

958
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,680
don't know if my pets will eat 
this, but I'm willing to give it

959
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,360
a shot. 
And so that that that was the 

960
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,200
best thing for me is how it was.
It was not. 

961
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,800
It was not like an expert level 
thing. 

962
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,360
Yeah. 
It was accessible to everybody, 

963
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,960
but those people who really do 
have experience still took a lot

964
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,520
away. 
The people who really are like, 

965
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,560
you know, formulators like you 
or whatever are still, they're 

966
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,280
still information. 
I mean, you design meat feeding 

967
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,480
plants, right? 
So I. 

968
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Do I do I just don't call myself
a formulator cuz I feel like 

969
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,200
that I can, yeah. 
You could formulate if you had 

970
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,560
to. 
Yeah. 

971
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,720
Well, and I think formulating 
for an individual animal versus 

972
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,920
formulating for. 
Yeah, for the mass. 

973
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,880
A population, yeah, is very 
different also. 

974
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,800
Not that I don't think I could 
get there and do that, but like 

975
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,440
it is a different, it is a 
different thing and I just want 

976
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,280
to acknowledge. 
Well, any somebody who 

977
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,160
formulates diets for pets or a 
pet nutritionist, whatever you 

978
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,920
want to call it. 
But like, I think that somebody 

979
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,200
at your level could take stuff 
away still. 

980
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,760
Absolutely, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

981
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,480
So it was really cool. 
I really enjoyed it. 

982
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,640
I thought it was exactly what we
needed. 

983
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,600
It was a whole day. 
Before we wrap up, tell us about

984
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,280
the coffee shop, the coffee 
talk. 

985
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,000
Because I left at super early on
Saturday, Sunday morning to go 

986
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,080
to a concert in DC. 
But I left you there and I 

987
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,480
assume you checked out. 
I did. 

988
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,000
I did. 
Check out. 

989
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,400
I did. 
Never asked. 

990
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,800
I didn't tell us about the 
coffee talk. 

991
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,240
Yeah, so the coffee talk was 
interesting because it was Billy

992
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,440
Hookman and Kelly Marion from 
Green Juju. 

993
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,200
And it's really, it really just 
turned into a talk about their 

994
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,640
probiotics, which was very 
interesting because they're 

995
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,600
probiotics are completely 
different from anything on the 

996
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,920
market for pets or humans. 
And like, this is a totally new 

997
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,520
product, even though it's a 
probiotic, it's a totally new 

998
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:33,000
type of probiotic. 
And nobody else has done them, 

999
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,040
has done anything like this. 
And so the reality is that it 

1000
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,680
kind of it, it turned into a lot
of Connor and Billy going back 

1001
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,000
and forth and Connor asking a 
lot of questions. 

1002
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,320
And so like everybody was 
listening to listening in on 

1003
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,440
this conversation that was 
mostly between Connor and Billy 

1004
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,840
about the probiotics. 
So it was really interesting 

1005
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,960
because, you know, talking about
the aerobic bacteria versus 

1006
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:05,480
anaerobic bacteria. 
And you know, we learned more 

1007
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,640
about how Green Juju's new 
probiotic, like the, the, the 

1008
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,160
research that they are putting 
behind this product because they

1009
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,840
believe in it so much and what 
they're already seeing in some 

1010
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,360
of the research. 
And it's very, very interesting.

1011
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,720
And honestly, why I have been so
excited about this probiotic 

1012
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,400
line because, I mean, as I told 
Billy, I'm probably gonna take 

1013
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,720
it myself. 
I was trying to ask that I 

1014
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,160
literally can ask that. 
Can we use that? 

1015
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,360
We can so. 
At our own risk of. 

1016
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Course, at our own risk. 
So Green Juju will never ever, 

1017
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,200
ever tell you that you can use 
any of their products on humans 

1018
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,160
because that is not what they 
are designed for. 

1019
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,640
However, I did have Billy on the
podcast to talk about the 

1020
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,080
probiotics and that was like the
last thing we talked about. 

1021
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,360
And he was like, out of any of 
our products, these would be the

1022
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,480
ones that I would say are 
probably the safest. 

1023
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,440
The Chicken Empire wants to know
if we ever look at the live 

1024
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,840
chat. 
Yes, we're looking at the live 

1025
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,040
chat right now. 
I just don't. 

1026
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,400
Hello to you. 
Do not. 

1027
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,000
Oh, here we go. 
Yeah, I was not. 

1028
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,600
I was on private chat for some 
reason. 

1029
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,760
Sorry about. 
That, but I mean there's nothing

1030
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,480
coming in. 
So yeah, that's the only thing 

1031
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,680
we've gotten and then we are 
looking at that's why we're 

1032
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,040
talking Instagram well. 
On Instagram, yeah. 

1033
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,560
So yeah, I'm really excited for 
them because they're there's 

1034
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,560
nothing else like them on the 
market. 

1035
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:37,840
And so just to hear. 
So just to hear, you know, the 

1036
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,920
questions that Connor had and 
Billy giving the answers to it, 

1037
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,920
I think was like kind of a 
master class and how people on 

1038
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:53,040
their level thank people who are
creating supplements and why and

1039
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,120
what they're looking for and 
why. 

1040
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,960
It was kind of like it was. 
It was very, very interesting. 

1041
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,840
And the first beauty of these 
get together, yes, I think 

1042
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,600
that's where the magic happens, 
like where you're like a fly on 

1043
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,960
the wall for in these 
conversations. 

1044
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,680
That happens to me a lot when I 
like tagging along with you at 

1045
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Super Zoo because my focus is 
digital marketing. 

1046
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,200
Not that help. 
And I just kind of listen and I 

1047
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,640
listen and I listen and I like 
discover products and I'm like, 

1048
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,960
and I actually end up using 
those a lot because my clients 

1049
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,160
might ask like, oh, like, like 
what we just collaborated on you

1050
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,680
and I last week, like a like 
natural flea and tick prevention

1051
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,200
and like I'll discover how these
things work. 

1052
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Just listening, just listening 
to these conversations with Jess

1053
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,080
or like other people in the pet 
space, in the healthy pet space.

1054
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,440
And super just coming up, it's 
in two weeks and like they have 

1055
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,800
a huge healthy pet space area. 
You know, we walk around and say

1056
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,640
hi to people we know, but also 
like we're just a lot of people 

1057
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,120
launch products there. 
So like there's a lot of like 

1058
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
conversations about that and I 
just listen and I discovered so 

1059
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,560
much. 
I'm listening from to you. 

1060
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,960
Just ask the questions. 
You know, just discovering like 

1061
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:10,280
in individual ingredients that, 
you know, you may be like last 

1062
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,720
year I discovered Ahi flower as 
like an omega-3. 

1063
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,400
And that was not in the healthy 
pet space that was like outside.

1064
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,880
And then so since then I've been
looking at, you know, kind of 

1065
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,320
products for humans and stuff 
that are ahi flower. 

1066
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,880
I just got some Omega threes 
that had ahi flower in them. 

1067
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,880
My mom's like, what is that? 
I'm like, it's a flower and, you

1068
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,480
know, it's, it's like a 
botanical or whatever. 

1069
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,600
And she was like, oh, and I 
learned that at Super Zoo, 

1070
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,520
right? 
So yeah, it's really cool. 

1071
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,320
That's when the magic happens, 
when you start like, hearing 

1072
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,680
people who know what questions 
to ask because that's what most 

1073
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,480
pet parents don't know. 
Yeah, it's what questions to 

1074
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,760
ask. 
Exactly, Exactly. 

1075
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,120
Yeah, that it is. 
It is very interesting. 

1076
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,400
And then of course, there was no
discussion really, because Billy

1077
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,160
was like, has anyone like who 
here has heard of C15? 

1078
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,880
And I mean, of course, you know,
a handful of us had. 

1079
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,440
But like, it's, it's these 
things that are like just 

1080
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,280
starting to be researched, just 
starting to come out on the 

1081
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
market, just start like we're 
just starting to see the 

1082
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:20,040
benefits of. 
So it, it really does get you in

1083
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,720
a place where you're like, just 
like you said, like it's like 

1084
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,600
you're a family on the wall and 
a mastermind, right? 

1085
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,560
Like and it's just so cool. 
It's and it lets you. 

1086
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,880
It lets you discover stuff that 
you can maybe add to your daily 

1087
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,840
routine. 
For example, my friend here, 

1088
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,240
Jessica, bought me tremella from
Real Mushrooms and now I drink 

1089
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,280
it in my coffee. 
Yeah. 

1090
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,080
And it is like the Botox of 
mushrooms, yes. 

1091
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,840
And I have. 
Next time you see me, I'm going 

1092
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,440
to look 10 years younger just 
because I've been taking that. 

1093
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,840
So yeah, it's like you 
discovered these things that 

1094
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,680
like, I didn't know there was a 
Botox of mushrooms. 

1095
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,720
I know you've said it before in 
other lives. 

1096
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,360
So like, I know that, but it was
one of those things that like at

1097
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,160
the time I didn't yeah. 
And what better than your friend

1098
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,760
to just purchase one for you and
hand it to you as a gift? 

1099
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,160
So like obviously it got my 
attention more so than in the 

1100
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,080
past. 
But those that's like so cool 

1101
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,720
that we went to this. 
We had an awesome weekend, girls

1102
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,560
week. 
We did all these like self help 

1103
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,920
things and like self-care things
together. 

1104
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,400
And then, you know, I ended up 
leaving with like this mushroom 

1105
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,600
that's going to give me life. 
Yeah, I haven't started taking 

1106
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,360
mine yet, so you're way ahead of
me. 

1107
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,680
I have, I had it with a lavender
tea the other day. 

1108
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,920
It's a little powdery. 
So I think that it's better. 

1109
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,760
Yeah. 
I was like a lavender tea at 

1110
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,680
night and I just. 
It's a little powdery, but it 

1111
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,400
almost like if you put it in 
like an English breakfast, it 

1112
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:48,120
might almost give it the vibe of
like milk or, or like Creamer. 

1113
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:48,640
Yeah. 
Because. 

1114
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:55,240
It's like a little well, it, it 
will thicken and you like if 

1115
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,280
you're making a dressing or a 
yes or whatever, like it will 

1116
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,480
it's, it is like. 
A did I get a real tox? 

1117
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,200
The Chicken Empire is asking a 
lot of questions. 

1118
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,600
Yeah. 
So this live is about a recap of

1119
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,840
of an event, but we're about to 
wrap up that. 

1120
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,280
You're welcome to watch the 
replay as soon as we end the 

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,760
stream. 
This event was about pet health 

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,920
and it took place two weeks ago.
So thank you for joining us, the

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,720
Chicken Empire, and whether or 
not I get real Botox is for you 

1124
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:32,040
to decide. 
My face. 

1125
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,320
Gracious. 
OK, so that's it. 

1126
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,120
I think that was a really good 
recap. 

1127
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,040
I think if there's any takeaways
is go follow all the people we 

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,640
talked about. 
That's like the biggest thing. 

1129
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,000
And if you want us to tag them, 
just let us know and we'll tag 

1130
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,600
them all in comments so you can 
go follow them from there. 

1131
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,920
That's easier. 
But yeah, thank you guys for 

1132
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,880
joining us and we will see you 
from Super Zoo. 

1133
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,000
In two weeks. 
In two weeks, are we doing this 

1134
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,440
on Tuesday then and then or we 
or is the Thursday going to be 

1135
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,560
this? 
That's a really good question. 

1136
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,200
I don't know. 
I mean, we're, I think we'll 

1137
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,840
have time Tuesday if we want to 
do like a pregame. 

1138
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,080
We can do this one here and then
or we can do covered in Pet Hair

1139
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,040
Thursday. 
I can do that one like instead 

1140
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,360
of my show. 
I don't know. 

1141
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,520
I was going to do a live podcast
from there and I've asked a 

1142
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,400
couple people but they haven't 
confirmed. 

1143
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,360
So if not, we'll just have you 
be the guest. 

1144
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,680
OK, Will you do that? 
Sounds good to me. 

1145
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,000
So whatever you guys want to 
know about Super Zoom, let us 

1146
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,320
know. 
We've covered Super Zoom in the 

1147
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,240
past. 
There is a live from super zoo 

1148
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,480
in this feed in the pet 
parenting reset and in covered 

1149
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,680
in pet hair on Facebook and 
YouTube. 

1150
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,400
And I, I encourage you to kind 
of send us any products you want

1151
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,280
us to check out. 
Hi, Billy. 

1152
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,000
We were just talking about you. 
I. 

1153
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,240
Can't tell you how often we talk
about green juju in these lives.

1154
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,600
Period. 
I mean, that's what I feed my 

1155
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,040
thoughts. 
I've got my dogs a combination 

1156
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,960
of green juju and kibble because
that's where I live right now. 

1157
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,360
That's where I am right now. 
That's as high as the standard 

1158
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,720
gets right now. 
And I love green juju. 

1159
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
And Billy, we were just saying 
you did a great job as MC. 

1160
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,720
You made it very accessible. 
You were very welcoming, kind of

1161
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,280
punny, and we really enjoyed you
as the MC of the More You Know 

1162
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,560
Pet Wellness Summit. 
I like how you said we. 

1163
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,280
It was really Isabel who said 
all of that, but. 

1164
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,000
No, it's OK. 
I feel like it was a consensus 

1165
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,320
it. 
Was it was a consensus? 

1166
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,400
I'm just messing. 
With them. 

1167
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,440
Dang, tough critics around here.
I am tough. 

1168
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,320
You are tough, critic. 
You are too. 

1169
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,160
I know she's. 
Not she is she is very kind, 

1170
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,960
but. 
Yeah, it was a really good 

1171
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,040
event. 
And those of you who are in 

1172
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:05,960
Williamsburg or driving distance
from it like you, you definitely

1173
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,800
should go next year. 
Like check it out. 

1174
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,160
What if you're I think there 
were there were people from 

1175
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,920
Northern Virginia who went. 
I met a number of people from 

1176
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,160
Northern Virginia there. 
One lady owned a pet store, 

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,600
supply store in Manassas. 
There was AI feel like she was a

1178
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,920
dog trainer from Northern 
Virginia as well. 

1179
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,520
There were people from all over 
that area from from Virginia and

1180
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,560
from like North Carolina, I 
think. 

1181
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,200
So it was really well attended 
and not just people locally. 

1182
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,040
And honestly, just the just the 
goodie bag, just the swag bag 

1183
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,280
was worth the drive. 
It was and if you're here 

1184
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,120
anywhere near Williamsburg at 
all, like ever, just stop into 

1185
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,040
the Nautical Dog. 
It's an amazing, amazing store. 

1186
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Amanda's staff is so well 
trained, they're so 

1187
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,040
knowledgeable. 
They sell some of the best 

1188
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,160
products that you can get for 
your pets so. 

1189
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,280
Yeah, and actually, Amanda 
Bravo, because this is the third

1190
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,680
time she's put this together. 
It was completely so well done. 

1191
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,880
It was professional, it was 
organized. 

1192
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,480
It went off without a hitch. 
They had food and coffee and all

1193
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,920
these things. 
And it was just like really a 

1194
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,200
plus on the planning and 
execution. 

1195
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,640
And the speakers and all the 
attendees were great people. 

1196
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,360
It was just a overwhelming 
success, I think from from, you 

1197
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,000
know, an outsider looking in and
I've been to many conferences in

1198
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,000
our industry, IMC myself and I 
speak and stuff and like, you 

1199
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,280
know, like not all conferences 
are created equal. 

1200
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:34,280
She did a really good. 
Job. 

1201
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,120
No, they're not. 
Yeah, no. 

1202
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,560
Amanda's amazing. 
She's a marketer who happens to 

1203
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,760
own a pet store, so she really 
sets the bar high. 

1204
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,840
Yeah, and the venue was forced, 
so that doesn't hurt either. 

1205
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,680
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, thank you guys so much for

1206
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,600
joining us. 
Thank you for jumping in, Billy.

1207
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,640
That was that was a fun treat. 
And yeah, we'll see you guys in 

1208
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,720
two weeks live from Super Zoo 
either. 

1209
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,080
Tuesday or Thursday, stay tuned.
Or both. 

1210
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,480
Or both. 
We'll see how we feel. 

1211
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,000
Bye.